Jim Cornette on Jim Crockett Jr. & The History Of Crockett Promotions
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- From Episode 181 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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I think we should appreciate Jim Cornette more, he is a living encyclopedia of wrestling knowledge, I really enjoy his story telling abilities
Same here. Great comment John.
I really love Jimmy. I just wish he leave the politics behind.
@@doctheperfectfaceforradio6022 but he is right on those topics though. The name calling and all is for comedy like the daily show when Stewart was there.
Yea an encyclopedia of the good kind of wrestling. Not of the flippy bs like Meltzer.
And appreciate Vince Russo for giving us legendary Cornette rants.
R.I.P. Jim Crockett Jnr. My sincere condolences to his family and friends.
In My Younger Years, I Used to Confuse the Names Jim Cornette and Jim Crockett ... 💀
Cornettes the bitter complaining one.
Too be fair there were a lot of Jims in that era
I used to confuse Jim Crockett (always elated to be in front of someone’s cable or satellite TV to hear that name mentioned occasionally) I actually had a confusing mix of what I peripherally knew about Davy Crockett & these wrestling Crocketts.
I figured they all related to each other somehow.
I was about 7-9 range during those times.
@@12345Yeah when was he complaining
I did the same
I just woke up and heard the news that Jim Crockett Junior passed away last night. Very sad to hear this. I think a part of me since 2001 has always been hoping that Jim Crockett would get control of the NWA again one day and somehow bring southern wrestling back to its glory days with new stars under his guidance. We never got that unfortunately. I would have never became a fan of pro wrestling if it wasn’t for world championship wrestling on at 6:05 on TBS. Rest in peace Jim Crockett Junior and thank you for everything.
Yes. Obits have been posting that he passed away later Wednesday night on 3/3. Unfortunately, when medical sources use the term "grave condition" it is rarely a situation the patient has any expectation of surviving. I don't know that anything was made at least public regarding if he'd been ill at all leading up to his hospitalization, but obits say he died of complications from liver and kidney failure. That's a long way of saying organ failure--in laymen's terms, usually interpreted as "his body was shutting down." Likely from some kind of illness already. But that last part is really more conjecture.
6:05 Saturday night, great memories.
The 6:05 show was great. The fans could be clearly heard, you could really hear the bumps in the ring, and the announcers were right there 20 feet from the ring. And when the fans would get on Cornette his reactions were hilarious and he and the Midnights harassing David Crockett was hilarious. And who can forget Mulkey Mania starting on the 6:05 show against The Midnight Express?
My Sincerest Condolences to You Jim on the loss of Your Late Boss Jim Crockett Jr.
He ran one of the absolute best territories, thanks for the memories Jim Crockett.
2 in fact
@@Dredsed What's the other? I only know of that one odd attempt to start either a web only promotion as an NWA promotion after the Turner buyout of JCP?
@@maxxdahl6062 Mid Atlantic and Georgia, JCP was a promotion that had both territories under its umbrella.
@@Dredsed Oh that's incorrect. Jim didn't run GCW nor the whole "NWA", people confuse JCP for being the whole NWA when it was really just one promotion that was in it. GCW was owned by Jack and Jerry Brisco and Ole Anderson.
RIP to Jim Crockett, Jr. He ran a legendary promotion. The roster he had when I started watching it in the mid-'80's is one of the greatest I'd ever seen.
Prayers To Jim Crockett Jr And His Family
Every time Jim mentions Crockett. I can't help but feel the urge to shout "whip him, whip him like a dog." I can't get that short little clip out of my head.
@Kalen Boies, You're thinking of his brother David who was the on-air tv announcer for the company whereas Jimmy Jr handled all the business stuff.
In the 80s when cable went nationwide JCP was the first company I saw outside of my local WCCW area. I loved it from first sight, it was so new nationwide and totally awesome. RIP Jim Crockett
I'm grateful jim Crockett promotions was part of my childhood and teens
Rip jim Crockett jr
Those were the days. I used to sit up watching NWA and WWF with my dad.
Everytime NWA/WCW had come to the Baltimore Arena I was there . Thursday night on a school night and everything . One time me and my whole 5th grade class was there on a Wednesday night no less . I still remember being so sleepy the next day , it was glorious .
I'm from Baltimore too. Do you remember when the NWA teamed up with AWA and had shows at the Balto. Civic Center ?
R.I.P., Jim Crockett Jr. Thanks for promoting some of the greatest wrestling shows ever and bringing so many amazing talents under one roof. Hearing Jim Cornette talk about what Jim Crockett Promotions achieved and his time working there is so heartfelt and appreciative.
As I'm scrolling through old clips of the show and just listening to fun, old wrestling stories; I'm realizing Brian & Jim have put together such a cool library of history here.
I think it's a cool thing to hang your hat on, that you guys are the only show that does deep dives on all wrestling history. From the WWF to Crockett to territories to current trash.
Really guys, your library is awesome. It's becoming something fans can refer to anytime they want a quick history lesson. Quick UA-cam search with Cornette's name & whoever you're curious about, Jim & Brian have a 10-12 minute history lesson for you. It's great & you can take it as fact every time.
"What time is it Tony Schiavone? It is Rolex time! Don't be coming out here with any Mickey Mouse Watches Tully Blanchard"! Crockett brought us Slic Ric, and wrestling will forever be better for it.
The Crockett's we're equivalent to the O'Malley's owning the Brooklyn/Los Angeles Dodgers. Kept it family owned for generations.
That imagination of jim crockett jr as ice cream man is hilarious🤣
The only reason I pay for the network is JCP years.
They need to get all the World Wide and Pro episodes up from 85-89. Those shows were straight fire.
Thank you Jim and The Great Brian Last for the history of the Crockett Wrestling.. Jim is right . Wrestling belongs regional.
I feel the same way about Youth & High School Sports not being placed on a national scale.
Back in the 1980's. NWA Jim Crockett Promotions was great wrestling. It's too bad that JCP was in slump financially. WWF/WWE was on a roll expanding. I do miss JCP wrestling. Such fond memories.
It was only in a financial slump because of misspending and that's what sucks. A private plane that wasn't needed and such. They always did great business.
I miss 1980s wrestling period. WWF. NWA/WCW! Even the AWA ! For as bad as it was before it shut down.
It was head and shoulders and much better product than WWF.... Shame it officially became WCW
Blame Dirty Dusty Rhodes. The company plane was Dusty's doing. Booking himself in almost all the main events. And the venues they booked was actually 2nd class arenas.
@@Blacattacsquadron Ron Garvin blames Dusty too.
R.I.P Jimmy Crockett Jr..
Vince and Crockett were born less than a hundred miles from each other.
Crazy to think about
McMahon probably wakes up in a cold sweat every now and again knowing this.
@@travismcdonald6576 Vince probably barely knows where he is at nowadays.
6:05 Saturday night!! Some of my favorite teenage memories!! ❤ JCP!!
great show as usual;thanks Jim
Rest in peace Jim Crockett Jr who had the best wrestling company in my childhood
I would’ve gone to Crockett Ice Cream Cones & Cups in Dallas.
“Yes, Jim- gimme a double scoop of Rocky Rhodes!” 😋
I spent a year and a half going to every Philly Civic Center show. Most months we had 2nd or 3rd row seats. One month, we got front row, and learned how much differently fans in the front row get treated. Jim Cornette himself even posed for a picture.
I never went to an NWA event but i went to two WWF shows in the 80s front row. There was nothing like it and never will be. I've had field seats at soccer games, football, etc. Nope. I dont think its the same now at front row, especially with current crowds and prices. Cherish those times.
Hearing Spartanburg freaked me out in a good way! No one talks about my hometown
Best talker in the business! I remember HATING on them (Cornette and the midnight express) in the mid Atlantic area. Saw them live in Charleston SC during the early 80s. Just fantastic in ways the guys today can only imitate! Thank you for the memories JC!
ALL TRUE! Thank You for telling us the TRUTH! I watched Crockett's All Star Wrestling at 5pm on WCHS Channel 8 out of Charleston WV from 1967-73.
I never understood why they were always going to Albuquerque, of all places. I'd watch the "NWA on Tour" segment on TBS, and they'd always show the usual places--Charlotte, Atlanta, Norfolk, and then ALBUQUERQUE! Look--I know that was a "wrestling desert", but you'd figure Bill Watts or Fritz Von Erich e were closer to NM, and expand their before Crockett, back east, would get to it!
R.I.P Jim Crockett Jr
If only Crockett and Watts could have somehow put their egos aside and joined together and formed a united front against McMahon
Capitalism will never put their ego aside
That's a really interesting 'what if' there. I think those two territories were similar enough in style that they would have meshed pretty well. I think Watts would have demanded full creative control, which would have meant taking the book away from Dusty, then what does he do? Stay as a talent? or be resentful and go north?
WWF was too strong back then with Hogan being the Golden Goose. No way they were going to beat Vince
@@chadk890 Right. Once Vince broke into mainstream on MTV and got on NBC it was a wrap at least for the 80s. Notice how Vince didn't get competition again until WCW started making the same type of mainstream moves that Vince did in the 80s.
@@chadk890 until you saw Hogan live at a house show always 5 min match with a count-out or DQ finish.the worst disappointment of my wrestling youth
here after hearing a sad passing of mr crockett jr
To be fair and this is coming from a wrestling fan that grew up in the Carolinas, I don’t think it’s fair to say that the Carolinas got killed off. Jim has even said himself on the back to the territories DVD he did with JJ Dillion that legend Reunion shows still today better preform WWE when they comes to town. And that’s true whether it’s something sponsored by the N.W.A. in Charlotte or it’s wrestlecade in Winston-Salem, right next to Greensboro those things always sell out. I’m not going to say WCW ran 6 towns in NC a week after Turner bought it, they were trying to go all over the place at that time. But every time WCW came to Greensboro, Raleigh, or Charlotte or Winston Salem which became the go to place for war games in the late 90s, the fans always showed up. They may have stopped coming as often but they came to North Carolina maybe four times a year it felt like in the 90s and they had a sold out show every time.
My family bought a second house in Greensboro and when we went down there all the kids talked about was how wrestling used to be good but now it's just WCW.
It always unnerved me that the tournament final of the Western States title was held in New York.
It was to get those Midwest guys over in that demographic. Too bad those guys suck and killed that run.
The WSBelt was hella unnecessary
@@ricolewis2949 I remember Windham and Zbysco being champion, was there another?
@@williamwalker8201 yes. Harley Race!! That NWA belt got him his last shot at Flair before he went to the WWF and win the 1st King of the Ring.
@@Blacattacsquadron the Central States championship?
RIP Jim Crockett Jr
RIP Jim Crockett Jr.
Anyone that comes out of a box is automatically over
Get out of here Russo.
Yeah, get outta here Russo.
Crockett should have brought back Lance Von Erich in Dallas. Lightning in a bottle
RIP Jim Crockett Jr!
JCP was lightning in a bottle as the saying goes. Here in Philly, JCP first started airing in late 1984 @ 2pm every Saturday on channel 17. I was hooked immediately after watching for the first time. His program 'World Wide Wrestling' presented a more edgier and intense product than the WWF.
JCP had a great run but was ultimately check-mated by Vince, like all other territories. However, it's great to re-watch the old WWW and Mid-Atlantic shows to recapture those legendary moments of days gone by!
Agreed. 1986 was awesome. I remember watching channel 17 as a kid. The promos were incredible. I laughed so hard at Jimmy Valiant’s promos my stomach hurt.
Yeah 84 is when they started airing in ohio too.
As of 3-3-2021, Jim Crockett Jr. has passed on.
Just love Corny retelling stories of the territories and promotions he’s worked, corny nearly got choked up bout Jim Crockett JR but can’t blame him as he worked with the guy regardless when things got sideways between the two
Definitely. I am too young, and was only being born when pro wrestling switched from territories to overwhelmingly national productions, focused on weekly TV shows.
So I wasn't even really old enough to find wrestling on my own until grade school and the Attitude Era of the WWF, BUUUT, I highly enjoy hearing about how things used to work and how the sausage was made.
Exactly!!
RIP to the greatest promoter EVER!!!
Two men were responsible for my love of Wrestling, Andre the Giant and Jim Crockett Jr.
RIP Mr. Crockett.
I hope the best for Jim Crockette Jr.
Listening to Corny talking about Wrestling is great, but it cracks me up sometimes when Brian can add to the conversation like he was there when it happened lol
And now Jim Crockett Jr... is gone.
RIP Jim Crockett
Thank you Jim for telling the truth on P.O.S. mcmahon for not paying the owners of the promotions he was going to put out of business one way or another.
R. I. P. Jim Crockett
I went to all the L.A. Crockett shows in the 80's that I could, which was most of them. They played the Forum in Inglewood. WWF played the Sports Arena in central L.A.
This was like the north versus South.
McMahon is from the South. A hater of his own kind, like Uncle Ruckus.
It was more of city mouse vs country mouse. WWF caught on in Urban areas even in the south.
Thanks for giving West Palm Beach a shout out Corny! 82 degrees today, nothing but sunshine baby!
West Palm Beach Auditorium WWF and NWA in the 80s and 90s and I went to the last WWF show there before they sold it to the Jehovah Witness...Miss the old days of West Palm Beach
@@Lonewolf78100 hell yes I saw a WWF show there in 1990 got to see my favorite tag team The Rockers!
I love listening to this history stuff....I learn so much.
Facts………
Just had my mind blown never knew Jim Crockett was from my hometown Bristol Virginia and was a VHS Bearcat football player. Our newspaper until today never really mentioned it! I grew up with Crocketts and none of the kids mentioned it damn!
Rest in Peace Jim. While I didnt agree with your expansion there would not have been such great wrestling without you. Can't believe you're gone :(
Thank you for everything. ❤
RIP Jim Crockett.
You also always sings the drive thru theme song when it comes on “who still remembers Pampero Firpo?”
As an Armenian, I appreciate that so much. Pampero was an Armenian from Argentina, and all Armenian families were affected by the Armenian Genocide. "Who still remembers the Armenians" is a quote attributed to Hitler. I'm 100% sure "Ervan The Armenian" would smile at the nod, especially starting such a show with that nod.
The Missing Link Pompero Firpo..."Ooohh yeaaahh!"
Rip to Jim Crockett Jr
I'm gonna get a Corney Cameo of my favorite drive thru order. Think I'll get a bonus rant for when they fukk it up?
He passed away today. I wanna know what cornette has to say now. This was posted 3 days before he died
That awkward moment when Brian knows things and places that Jim doesn't remember he was at
Damn he's almost 60. I hope he can still storytells by that point and beyond.
AT WHAT POINT ON THE RECORDING DOES THIS HAPPEN
@@spectrumlocalb191 38:40
20 million in 86 is impressive, crazy impressive!
You are a legend Jim Cornette
May he RIP
I was hired by Tully Blanchard to work for Crockett, then two weeks later called me and said they still wanted me to work for them,but they were moving to Dallas and gave me a week to decide if I wanted to go. I chose to decline the offer. They ran three shows and closed it down. It was always a dream to work for Crockett/NWA but it was not to be.
RIP JCJ- March 4th 2021
Great drawing of Crockett
Jim remembers his Ring being there but not himself haha
Another example of worrying about what someone else is doing instead of doing what works for you.......
Jim Crockett Jr. just passed away 😔
Even if Bill Watts went the other way
Vince had Hulkamania. It's was too powerful the 80s with MTV and the rock n wrestling connection.
Growing up in West Virginia I can say that the Mid Atlantic product is what we wanted. I knew who Ric Flair was before I knew who Hulk Hogan was.
First time hearing Jim go into this much depth about JC promotions. And, just like that promotion was in the early - mid 80s, it was fantastic. But that “what if” hypothetical… Personally… if Crockett hadn’t sold to TBS and kept running in those 3+ states, and Vince JR didn’t find a way to put him out of business, then I would’ve actually watched wrestling over the past 20 years and still be doing so, instead of just the occasional YT clips. It was that promotion, and that era, with those wrestlers, those great angles, those fantastic matches and promos… and not the Hulkamania crap, or the Attitude era and Monday Night Wars, or the heyday of ECW, that was the best the business ever produced. It’s a damn shame the bad guy won in the end. Hopefully I’ll be alive to either see him watch it all slip away, or sell the empire to people who’ll remove any semblance of pro wrestling left in that company. In the meantime, I’ll just keep listening to Corny and Brian reminisce about good wrestling, while telling the truth about the horseshit that passes for the business today. And yeah, to todays Marks… Get the fuck off my lawn👴🏼!
Delusional, cable was going to kill territorial wrestling no matter what. The days of isolated fan markets were going away and if you didn't have a national presence you'd look 3rd string out the gate and every wrestling promotion needed to present their wrestlers as the best and once you have a major national promotion of any kind it becomes like trying to convince a person the guy on your arena football team is actually better than the guys in the NFL everyone would look at you justifiably as if you had rocks for brains
Rest In Peace to a legend
Jeez. The timing on these videos are so bad. As soon as they talked about him a day later he died. Just like Kamala a while back, the had a segment on him then he died a few days later 😫
No .... the person was in bad health and then dies. The videos are made because they are in known really bad health
@@vivahernando1 I'm not saying these videos are responsible for their deaths captain obvious. I'm just saying the timing of these videos have been off due to their deaths coming a day or a few days after. It's just crazy cause of the hundreds of topics they can pick these guys happen to die soon after the make a video out of them. The timing is just crazy that's all
@@angrymobsters1599 in the case of Jim Crockett Jr he was moved into hospice care, they heard about it and talked about him. Him dying close to this being uploaded isn't really surprising
Rip Jim Crockett jr. All time great promoters should hall of fame what did wrestling too bad wrestling company went out of business.
When did he pass?
@@jeffreyloskoskill4901 yes pass late last night found out
i believe The Sheik was the first to present televised syndicated arena wrestling episodes from cobo arena in early 1971.
RIP Jim Crockett Jr and thanks for the childhood memories. Even as a 12 year old, in the early 80s, I preferred Mid Atlantic, Georgia Championship Wrestling, and WCCW over WWF. I didn't really watch that much WWF because it seemed too polished and plastic. I wish I would have had the opportunity to see more Florida, AWA, Mid-South, and Southeastern wresting.
We only had WWF up here, which i was a huge fan, but my grandfather had PWI and other magazines from 1981 to 1990 in his basement, i was basically able to follow all this history without watching one show.. Was completely hooked on these guys wearing the crimson mask not having cartoon gimmicks. The top 10 always had ric flair 1st, then hogan and whoever was awa champ 3rd. And Jim Cornette seemed to be in everything. When he debuted in WWF in 93 i was psyched.
They had gimmicks lol the Boogie Woogie man was probably one of the worst gimmicks ever that just happened to get over in spite of how stupid it was.
RIP Jim Crockett Jr.
So many similarities in the territory days to the carnival business.
Around 13:35.. shout out to Kingsport baby!!!
I can't believe it 😭
Wrestling can work both regional and nstional via franchising
Vince wasn't gonna let that happen
@@BeyondDaX So what? He made the XFL. I'd do the same thing for wrestling
@@Cre8Lounge If it didn't work on a national level as Jim would state. That sort of theory wouldn't work now with the internet replacing much of the mystique of wrestling.
@@Cre8Lounge & on BOTH OCCASIONS, the XFL was 1 & done, which tells me he needs to just stick to wrestling & not get into all this outside ventures because everytime he does, he loses $ & looks like a fool for doing so.
I don't know if Vince McMahon is just lucky or that he has enough sense to listen to Business Advice that makes sense or he just going to do, what he is going to do, because listening to the wrong people has doomed more Pro Wrestling Promotions than anything else it seems consistently.
RIP JCJ......
Vince had the right idea that there was more money in running every major market in the country than there was in running a region provided you could do consistent business everywhere. You just had to have the infrastructure and broad (ie. non regional) appeal to make that work, and JCP didn''t. Even in the late 90's WCW struggled to escape being perceived as a regional southern thing.
@Tim Fak, & ironically look at how Vince's doing now, he's doing God-awful tv ratings EVERY WEEK & has been for years, & it's his own fault.
@@TheSportsfan35 Yes, but he's organized his business so that he still makes more money than God despite all that, so who's really the smart one?
@@Tim85-y2q BUT AGAIN, his tv ratings are piss poor, there's a reason why legends like Bill Watts, Ole, JJ Dillion, Tully & Corny have been saying for years, that the business always should've stayed in the territory system because there were more places for the guys & girls to work in & more $ to make in the business, whereas now only a handful EVERY YEAR can get to Vince, or Khan or Impact & everybody else's working in high school gyms for gas $ if they're lucky.
@@Tim85-y2q And he's also more or less killed the entire industry doing it. He's more or less ruined it for both wrestlers and fans.
@@maxxdahl6062 That would matter if McMahon really cared about preserving the business, rather than his business. McMahon's only likely regret is that there aren't as many places to grab talent from. The fact that wrestling as a business has shrunk otherwise isn't his concern since it has shrunk around him.
How Comfortable is Very Comfortable? Cause we are still watching guys powerbomb each others head's off a ring floor. Lol
Jim Crockett Jr Passed away today :(
He really is one of the best pure wrestling historians in America.
As for the topic of wrestling making comeback: how do you comeback after making grown men act like dogs, snakes, and fucking chickens?
Crockett died today.
Jim Cornette is literally a wrestling lore-master:)
I’m waiting
Crockett jr just passed away today.
RIP JIMMY CROCKER
Who's JIMMY CROCKER?
@@MrNWA4Life Betty’s husband and big Mid-Atlantic fan.
@@esmith407
LOL