Interesting how his pressure taps are slow and gentle, like he's actually feeling for the pads meeting the rotors, whereas other guys do a very short but quite hard bang. And also that he seems to do a bit with his right foot.
@@bigdog8164 To reset the brake pads lightly against the rotors in case they have vibrated back a bit. If the pads vibrate back it can have very unpredictable braking effects when they try to use them.
Some of them size their master cylinders that way for that reason - so they can hit the pedal hard without lockups. They always yarn on about the brake pedal pressure being a "130kg leg press" etc, but truth be told, most of the masters nowadays are tiny bore which makes a lot of pressure as can be seen here. Sure, you need to press harder than a typical street car because there's no booster assist, but you can see how gentle they actually are with it. It's nowhere near as heavy as it once was.
They do down shift properly with out the throttle however being a trans axle system they will lock the rear wheels which in turn causes unsettlement of rear and spins way easier to to shift with rev matching but there are a few left foot brakers in the feild so it is possible however extremely hard not to spin out
Best touring driver in the world yet he doesn’t left foot brake. If you listen to all the internet experts, you must be a left foot braker to be considered the best.
It's actually very rare for anyone to left-foot brake in the V8SC. There are a couple that do, but most do not. Because many V8SC are longer events, and using the clutch helps with the longevity of the car.
To get the brake pad closer to the brake disk because the brake disk rattles and moves the pad away from each other so they tap it to get them closer so they don’t have to over brake in a braking zone
There is a rev cut switch built into the sequential shifter, so upshifts have spark cut briefly for the shift, and the design of the gearbox (straight cut gears) means that's all that's needed. Older H pattern shift they used clutch on diagonal shifts only (2-3/4-5)
Hey mate this might give you a better insight. Brad Jones responded to my question a few years back about how the gear cut works on a technical questionnaire video they did on Facebook 👍 m.ua-cam.com/video/vCZMJkV8LR8/v-deo.html
It doesn't mention what track it is.. the throttle pressure is very affected by it, and/or opponents. But a specific manoeuvre, is how he "wakes up" the brakes, before corners. The few taps it gets.. There can be some grit left from last corner, or to avoid having cold brakes
Not possible in a normal car unfortunately.. throttle is usually positioned lower, than the rest. As a safety precaution.. You need custom pedal box or a sports/race car, where pedals are close
@@mortenfrosthansen84 Mmhmm.. I got it man, thanks. I wasn't gonna try it in my car anyway. I'm more of a Motorcycle person than a car person. 😁 Have a great day!
@@gokulkrishm51 it was more to not do what I did, and tried anyway.. it hurts your car more, than it looks cool. But with a pedal set for your pc/console and you can practice all you want
I believe its because of pad knock back. After long straight rotors cool and the distance between the pad and rotor is enlarged. So right before the big braking zone, they do this to bring the pads close to the rotor again, so when they do the hard braking the pedal feel is consistent
I don’t race V8SC but some tracks in AU have aggressive ripple strips (QR high speed) and it pushes the pad back. And sometimes can give you a false feel and the pedal travels further like you’ve got air in your brakes. It’s a terrible feeling and can completely miss your braking. Very easy to give it a love tap to make sure the pedal is stiff. Hope this helps!
There is a lot of adjustment in the pedals to customize it to your liking or driving style. A lot of drivers have the pedals close so they can "heel and toe" by braking with the big ball of their foot and blip the throttle with the outside of their foot near where the little toe is.
Also the brake throw can be too long or the clutch can be too high which is difficult for fast clutch kicking and gas pedal too low but you can adjust if your experienced
Short explanation: No need for a clutch on upshifts, but it’s used to rev match on downshifts. Longer explanation: So a few things to understand about Supercars to understand the explanation 1.) They use Sequential trans-axles, which is a type of transmission that combines the transmission with the rear differential. They use straight cut gears, as opposed to helical cut gears like in most modern manual transmissions in road cars. They don’t require a clutch to change gears, up or down. 2.) The transmission is operated by a gear lever or stick shifter, however they are not H-pattern shift, instead they only go forward or backward. Pushing the stick forward for downshifts, pulling it backward for upshifts. Each push or pull is one gear change. So if you were downshifting from 5 to 2 you would have to push the gear lever forward three times. To go from 2 to 5, you would have to pull the gear lever backward three times. 3.) The cars computer has a programmed ignition cut for upshifts. Meaning that when the driver pulls back on the stick to upshift, the cars computer detects this, and momentarily cuts the ignition in the engine while the gear change happens. This means the drivers don’t have to let off of the throttle during upshifts. 4.) The cars do not have an auto-blip or auto-rev matching programmed into their computers, so when downshifting the driver must do it themselves. Again, the transmissions do not need a clutch to change gears, up or down. However, if you don’t rev match when downshifting, it will cause the rear wheels to lock and the car to crash. So the drivers have to rev match when downshifting to keep the car balanced, and most will use a “heel-toe” technique (its just called that, they more use the side of the foot to blip the throttle), braking and blipping the throttle with their right foot and working the clutch pedal with their left. It is possible to not use the clutch, braking with the left foot and blipping the throttle with the right, but you run the risk of mistiming your blip and locking the rear wheels. Hopefully all of that made sense lol
He doesn’t uses his right foot for braking. He only uses the left one. When he taps the brake with his right foot it’s before braking to reset the pads position if they vibrated for the car not to have unexpected reactions under braking.
for some drivers its also a confidence and safety move too. especially on tracks like Bathurst where the brakes come under a lot of strain. it takes a lot to stop a ton and a half of car, so you want to be sure your brakes are going to work.
When suffering from vibrations, the brake pads moves a little bit, the little taps on the straight are being executed to put the pads back in it's place, so, you delete the possibility to have a sponge pedal and get instant braking response.
Clutch doesn't really seem to be needed with these new sequential transmissions but it's mostly for rear stability under braking and v8 supercars habits as they similarly like clutch on the way down
Görkem sever the reason Shane’s doing that is because in a V8 supercar sometimes you get what is known as brake fade. Brake fade is when the brake pedal does not work as well as it should.what does a brake pedal feel like with brake fade horrible it is a bit like what they call a long pedal which for any race car driver is horrible
Para asegurarse de que tiene presión de freno antes de la curva. A medida que conduce en línea recta, los pistones de la pinza de freno se separan gradualmente, por lo que al pisar el freno se acercan nuevamente, listos para la curva.
To avoid compression lockup - some drivers will use the clutch to downshift and some will blip the throttle if they use a left foot braking style. But the sequential gearboxes in those cars don't need a clutch to shift without damaging the gears.
it’s simple heel and toe, on aggressive transmissions like racing clutch and gearboxes, if you use your engine brake you’ll eventually lose grip due to the quick and short useful travel of the clutch pedal and since it bites hard into the flywheel, you gonna lock up, not quite like a handbrake but definitely slower than your current wheel speed, causing a possible spin, since it’s a rwd car
There is a sensor in the gear shifter that detects an input pressure from the driver when he decides to shift, it then cuts ignition which unloads the transmission. The quick gear change is due to the fact that its a sequential gearbox
Pranav P S they don’t use the clutch for up shifting because with the sequential gear stick there is a device in the top of the gear stick that is called a strain gauge what it does it cuts the engine for a few milliseconds when Shane is going up through the gears when going full throttle he is doing what is known as flat shifting
Pushing a gas in full not returning it by shifting gear up is that good for your engine? Maybe if that engine work by an FI, will that's fine, but if it is a carb,that was call a killing
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Interesting how his pressure taps are slow and gentle, like he's actually feeling for the pads meeting the rotors, whereas other guys do a very short but quite hard bang. And also that he seems to do a bit with his right foot.
Gordanovich02 what are pressure taps for ??
@@bigdog8164 To reset the brake pads lightly against the rotors in case they have vibrated back a bit. If the pads vibrate back it can have very unpredictable braking effects when they try to use them.
georgianbents thanks mate appreciate it
Some of them size their master cylinders that way for that reason - so they can hit the pedal hard without lockups. They always yarn on about the brake pedal pressure being a "130kg leg press" etc, but truth be told, most of the masters nowadays are tiny bore which makes a lot of pressure as can be seen here. Sure, you need to press harder than a typical street car because there's no booster assist, but you can see how gentle they actually are with it. It's nowhere near as heavy as it once was.
Ummm @Big Dog @georgianbents I've heard something different. I've heard that drivers do that to make sure they still have brake pressure.
They do down shift properly with out the throttle however being a trans axle system they will lock the rear wheels which in turn causes unsettlement of rear and spins way easier to to shift with rev matching but there are a few left foot brakers in the feild so it is possible however extremely hard not to spin out
Brake hop
SVG the greatest!!!
Shane Vangisbenen good driver
SVG is a great driver
Best touring driver in the world yet he doesn’t left foot brake. If you listen to all the internet experts, you must be a left foot braker to be considered the best.
I don't think anyone claims you must left foot brake in these cars
It's actually very rare for anyone to left-foot brake in the V8SC. There are a couple that do, but most do not. Because many V8SC are longer events, and using the clutch helps with the longevity of the car.
Why they kick the brake pedal every intitial braking?
To get the brake pad closer to the brake disk because the brake disk rattles and moves the pad away from each other so they tap it to get them closer so they don’t have to over brake in a braking zone
@@GRN_MCHN wow never heard about it. Seems that they push the braking vacuum
can i ask why he uses the clutch on downshifts but never on up shift?
There is a rev cut switch built into the sequential shifter, so upshifts have spark cut briefly for the shift, and the design of the gearbox (straight cut gears) means that's all that's needed.
Older H pattern shift they used clutch on diagonal shifts only (2-3/4-5)
@@Hapkido82AUS thanks
Hey mate this might give you a better insight. Brad Jones responded to my question a few years back about how the gear cut works on a technical questionnaire video they did on Facebook 👍
m.ua-cam.com/video/vCZMJkV8LR8/v-deo.html
See how he bleeds off the brake pressure, gives the throttle a crack to set the car again before he floors it. Magic!
Some use left foot to trail brake, coming out of the corner, to keep a loose end in check.. IndyCar on oval tracks are a good example
It doesn't mention what track it is.. the throttle pressure is very affected by it, and/or opponents.
But a specific manoeuvre, is how he "wakes up" the brakes, before corners. The few taps it gets..
There can be some grit left from last corner, or to avoid having cold brakes
Trail braking
@@Hapkido82AUS aka heel-toe method
@@neozone_hyrax.raw. trail braking and heel-toe are not the same thing. They have nothing to do with each other.
You can just feel the car ripping out of the corner as he leans into the throttle
I like how he downshift while braking and giving it a small trottle.
Heel and toe downshifts 🤩
You can't drive these cars without blipping the throttle on the downshifts.
@@aaronsergeant5450 yes you can
@@jonnobarrie1744 Yeah, if you want to crash. 👍
@@SPSAutomotive an uneducated reply right there 🤣
Proof left foot braking is not required to win races.
Heel and Toe downshifting. An art form
Senna style
I'm guessing this is Queensland Raceway. From start it's before turn 1 till the end around turn 5
that dudes a machine
I need to master this skill!!!!
Not possible in a normal car unfortunately.. throttle is usually positioned lower, than the rest. As a safety precaution..
You need custom pedal box or a sports/race car, where pedals are close
@@mortenfrosthansen84 Mmhmm.. I got it man, thanks. I wasn't gonna try it in my car anyway. I'm more of a Motorcycle person than a car person. 😁 Have a great day!
@@gokulkrishm51 it was more to not do what I did, and tried anyway.. it hurts your car more, than it looks cool.
But with a pedal set for your pc/console and you can practice all you want
@@gokulkrishm51 and you too man.. take care
@@mortenfrosthansen84 You can heel & toe in any car lmao. Just needs practice. I heel&toe in everything from my MX5 to my mum's minivan.
Schumacher did this as well. Pre-set the pads and pistons prior to the braking zone to get the minor extra time and balance. Pretty cool to see.
Why does he give a little hit to the breaking pedal while accelerating ?
I believe its because of pad knock back. After long straight rotors cool and the distance between the pad and rotor is enlarged. So right before the big braking zone, they do this to bring the pads close to the rotor again, so when they do the hard braking the pedal feel is consistent
they also do it to check for the brake pressure just to ensure when they touch the brakes for a corner the pedal is still there
I don’t race V8SC but some tracks in AU have aggressive ripple strips (QR high speed) and it pushes the pad back. And sometimes can give you a false feel and the pedal travels further like you’ve got air in your brakes. It’s a terrible feeling and can completely miss your braking. Very easy to give it a love tap to make sure the pedal is stiff. Hope this helps!
Supercar drivers always give the brake a test under throttle before braking. It's to make sure there's pressure in the lines.
Thanks for the answers guys 🙏
Easy depending on your pedals if there to far apart a bit tricky to learn this
Rather dangerous as well.. not many can bend the foot and toes in such manner
There is a lot of adjustment in the pedals to customize it to your liking or driving style.
A lot of drivers have the pedals close so they can "heel and toe" by braking with the big ball of their foot and blip the throttle with the outside of their foot near where the little toe is.
Standard pedals have the gas/speeder pedal lower than the rest.. safety precaution, and to rest the foot
Also the brake throw can be too long or the clutch can be too high which is difficult for fast clutch kicking and gas pedal too low but you can adjust if your experienced
Yeah, k.....
Hello... Why does he only use clutch on downshift and not while gearing up? Anyways, It looks awesome..
Short explanation: No need for a clutch on upshifts, but it’s used to rev match on downshifts.
Longer explanation:
So a few things to understand about Supercars to understand the explanation
1.) They use Sequential trans-axles, which is a type of transmission that combines the transmission with the rear differential. They use straight cut gears, as opposed to helical cut gears like in most modern manual transmissions in road cars. They don’t require a clutch to change gears, up or down.
2.) The transmission is operated by a gear lever or stick shifter, however they are not H-pattern shift, instead they only go forward or backward. Pushing the stick forward for downshifts, pulling it backward for upshifts. Each push or pull is one gear change. So if you were downshifting from 5 to 2 you would have to push the gear lever forward three times. To go from 2 to 5, you would have to pull the gear lever backward three times.
3.) The cars computer has a programmed ignition cut for upshifts. Meaning that when the driver pulls back on the stick to upshift, the cars computer detects this, and momentarily cuts the ignition in the engine while the gear change happens. This means the drivers don’t have to let off of the throttle during upshifts.
4.) The cars do not have an auto-blip or auto-rev matching programmed into their computers, so when downshifting the driver must do it themselves. Again, the transmissions do not need a clutch to change gears, up or down. However, if you don’t rev match when downshifting, it will cause the rear wheels to lock and the car to crash. So the drivers have to rev match when downshifting to keep the car balanced, and most will use a “heel-toe” technique (its just called that, they more use the side of the foot to blip the throttle), braking and blipping the throttle with their right foot and working the clutch pedal with their left. It is possible to not use the clutch, braking with the left foot and blipping the throttle with the right, but you run the risk of mistiming your blip and locking the rear wheels.
Hopefully all of that made sense lol
@@TheTennessyeanAwesome. Thanks for the great explanation!
heel toe =
stability if thats a word
Senna s school
is this v8 supercar?
No mate its a Fiat 500.
@@damo8754 ik its a joke but more like a v8 swapped fiat 🤣🤣
@@737simviator 🤣
why do they use their right and left foot to brake?
He doesn’t uses his right foot for braking. He only uses the left one. When he taps the brake with his right foot it’s before braking to reset the pads position if they vibrated for the car not to have unexpected reactions under braking.
@@Mael_irt But he still using his left foot to touch the break paddle but that is okay its how its done in racing.
What is name the car? What a good sound
Holden commodore
It's an Aussie V8 supercar, Redbull Racing Holden ZB Commodore
BEAUTIFUL
That cable or tube must be annoying
Go gizzy
Ahh a fellow big toe little toe shifter! My feet were too big to heel toe in my civic so i would roll my foot like he does ocassionally here ha.
Sensational
a lot stiffer brake pedal than the older cars.
I love flat up shifting and heel toe down shifting
yo
Me driving to the super market.
Why did they touch the pedal of break by left leg
Keeps the brake pads nice and close to the brake rotar
for some drivers its also a confidence and safety move too. especially on tracks like Bathurst where the brakes come under a lot of strain. it takes a lot to stop a ton and a half of car, so you want to be sure your brakes are going to work.
When suffering from vibrations, the brake pads moves a little bit, the little taps on the straight are being executed to put the pads back in it's place, so, you delete the possibility to have a sponge pedal and get instant braking response.
How is he upshifting without using the clutch, nor lifting? But he is using the clutch on downshifts... what gearbox do these cars have?
This question was asked above and was perfectly answered.
Clutch doesn't really seem to be needed with these new sequential transmissions but it's mostly for rear stability under braking and v8 supercars habits as they similarly like clutch on the way down
Shfit cut.
Why does the brake pedal touch 2 times before braking?
@lamadeu rei No problem dude, thank you for answer. :)
He's giving signal to driver behind to be ready for his brake.
@@xTwIsTeRx1 😂😂😂 he's resetting his brakes incase it brakes inconsistent.
Görkem sever the reason Shane’s doing that is because in a V8 supercar sometimes you get what is known as brake fade. Brake fade is when the brake pedal does not work as well as it should.what does a brake pedal feel like with brake fade horrible it is a bit like what they call a long pedal which for any race car driver is horrible
Make sure there is pressure, helps prevents lock ups
What track was that
Almost certain Queensland Raceway
around what track?
I think it's Queensland Raceway.
Queensland, by the the gear changes
Por que esse toquinho no freio ???
Para asegurarse de que tiene presión de freno antes de la curva. A medida que conduce en línea recta, los pistones de la pinza de freno se separan gradualmente, por lo que al pisar el freno se acercan nuevamente, listos para la curva.
@@LHudson21201 👍👍👍👍👍
Drift king!!!
Why does he only have to use clutch when downshifting and not up?
To avoid compression lockup - some drivers will use the clutch to downshift and some will blip the throttle if they use a left foot braking style. But the sequential gearboxes in those cars don't need a clutch to shift without damaging the gears.
Ayrton Senna braking technique lmao
it’s simple heel and toe, on aggressive transmissions like racing clutch and gearboxes, if you use your engine brake you’ll eventually lose grip due to the quick and short useful travel of the clutch pedal and since it bites hard into the flywheel, you gonna lock up, not quite like a handbrake but definitely slower than your current wheel speed, causing a possible spin, since it’s a rwd car
For godsake, let the guy rest. Jesus fucking christ.
No, racing braking technique.
Pro driver, learn from it
Dont they use clutch for upshifting?
Pranav P S Since the gearbox is a sequential, the clutch is not needed during upshifting.
There is a sensor in the gear shifter that detects an input pressure from the driver when he decides to shift, it then cuts ignition which unloads the transmission. The quick gear change is due to the fact that its a sequential gearbox
@@Runyamouth precisely.
@@Runyamouth we call it flat shift,nobly works when you up on the rev range
Pranav P S they don’t use the clutch for up shifting because with the sequential gear stick there is a device in the top of the gear stick that is called a strain gauge what it does it cuts the engine for a few milliseconds when Shane is going up through the gears when going full throttle he is doing what is known as flat shifting
You can actually see the point where he punts someone off the track!
HAHA
Haha you can actually see the point where those pussies never fight back, except dePasquale who tried but fvcked it up big time. Hello penalty😂😂
Engine killer
Driving fast always is
Pushing a gas in full not returning it by shifting gear up is that good for your engine? Maybe if that engine work by an FI, will that's fine, but if it is a carb,that was call a killing
@@eckylasoy7008 Of course its EFI
Nice
Racing cars? That's what they are built for?