It's a good idea to carry firearm everywhere you go.I don't think I've ever went on a hike in the woods or a camping trip where I didn't carry a firearm. You may not need it but you definitely don't want to be the person that needs it and it's sitting in the truck or at home.
if carry probably won't actually have it in your pack. Like all the pieces of your kit you have to weigh the benefit of it against its inconveniences and make the calculation for yourself.
Always carry. not only bear, but big cats depending on where you are and also people. Deep woods are perfect for people to hide and rob a hiker or kill I always carry 2 pistols and bear spray. Better to have and not need than need and not have. I also carry 2 combat knives and a few other little gadgets that would help in a self defense situation. People go missing or killed in the woods all the time don't be one of them take protection at least one gun
@@PathSweeperthere are plenty of LEO surplus Glocks for ~$450. Sigs rust, Taurus is rusty and can be unreliable. Ammoseek for ammo Gun. deals to get an idea on prices Guns. com for more listings Make sure you get good defense ammo like Speer or Hornady
I haven't been in grizzly country yet and spent little time in black bear areas so mabe its different when you are used to it but I think its kinda crazy that we go off into the woods where grizzlies, black bears, mountian lions and criminals on the run hang out. Yet we don't bring a gun because we are more worried about being fined or jailed for having a gun without a permit. I did read a bear attack book that was intended to make people carry bear spray instead of guns but the book made me terrified of them all together.
Totally understand your point. We do carry occasionally but we have the proper permits and would only use it for last resort. Bear Spray is very effective though! But still having a fire arm when you are trained and have the proper permits can add another tool of protection as last resort.
There is simply NO valid reason for not having protection with you in the wilderness. My compact 9mm goes with me everywhere. It's best to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
I always carry 2 to 3 guns everytime I'm in the woods or even if I'm hiking here's advice for the new hikers always carry a gun in the woods always my 3 guns is a kel tec sub 2000 , glock 19 9mm and glock 20 10mm
Going hiking for the first time soon. I’m going to carry an M&P shield 9mm and a glock 17 9mm. I hear it’s not so much the animals that you have to watch out for it’s the sadistic weirdos and methhead cookers out there.
@@Dmvgold1995 LMAO haha. You are definitely right about carrying more than one though. Since you got Glock 17 that carries 17 rounds. You may want to carry Glock 20 or 40 that shoot 10mm. 9mm ain't going to stop bears, but 10mm would have much better chance to go through their hard skull. Each state law is different, but I would make sure to comply the law, and conceal carry permit.
@@cooltonic1880 when faced with a bear, make large and take two steps toward it. 40% of the time they run when you step towards them. Then stop, make noise and load up. Growl good luck
Agreed I think the only point that really holds any weight is the bear thing. I think it’s commonly known that a little pea shooter 9mm glock is not enough fire power to put down a grizzly before it runs up to you and mangles you to death. However if it’s something like sadistic axe murder or a mountain lion I’m going for it
@Chris Adams doesn’t mean it’d be wise to think the odds are in your favor with that caliber. But I suppose if you’re that desperate and figure you’re going to die anyways then what the hell
From personal experience, shooting toward the ground will scare EVERY animal. The noise is so loud and comes as such a surprise, the animal has only one reaction, run as hell away from you.
Never rely on bear spray. If the wind blows in your direction, how effective is your bear spray going to be!? The NPS only recommends bear spray because the bears are protected and they don't want the headache of filling out a ton of paperwork.
That’s ridiculous. Bears are far more easily deterred with bear spray than a firearm (which, given the topic of this video is the alternate). A firearm requires a precision shot, either right into the heart or brain. In order to defend yourself from a charging bear with a pistol caliber you’d need to have remarkable pistol skill under stress and adrenaline. Bear spray, however, is weaker than human spray. Why? Because bears’ noses/factory membranes are significantly more sensitive than those of a person. Bear mace wouldn’t affect a human like human mace would.
I understand the cons being presented. However, in my 50+ yrs of riding in automobiles, i have to wear my seatbelt EVERY time i get into one. yet of the hundreds of thousands of rides i have taken, i have been in an accident ONCE (i was a passenger). So that would also be considered VERY rare occurrences. And i understand that i still have to wear a seatbelt just in case. I take a firearm on every hike that i take. Because during the times that you find yourself in the isolated spaces of a hike, and you do come across a situation where you might need something to defend your person, having and not needing is way better than needing and not having. You can deal with 'the law' from a healthy standing later on.
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I would carry both, i don't like the idea of using a gun on someone and hope I won't have to, but people are probably the worse thing you can encounter out there.
There's no exact right or wrong answer, other than it's situation dependent. I'm 55 and have never carried a gun while hiking. The most I carried was a hunting knife. But then again, I never hiked in what I consider a high risk environment or time of day. And I will not hike in bear country, firearm or not.
Great video! I agree weight is a big factor when hiking on the trail but I tell you what, there ain’t a worse feeling in the world when you need your gun NOW and you realize you left it at home to shave off a few pounds. My firearm is an essential part of the trip. If it can’t go, I don’t go.
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I agree 100 % i dont camp anymore sence im getting old lol. But one thing i love to do is fish for flathead catfish off the river bank at night and it gets a little spooky around 1am. That being said i keep a taurus 605 357 mag in my tacklebox. I load it with 158 grain jhp and keep a speed loader to with cci shotshells for snakes. I have shot many sneaky 🐍snakes with it. Lol. Yes everyone should be packing a gun in the woods regardless of laws. Its better to be tried by 12 instead of being carried by 6.
From my experience in the wild here are my opinions on what to use for which animals. 1.) I’d recommend bear spray for big bear attacks 2.)For coyotes, a pellet gun or whistle, 3.) Mountain lion you’ll need a Multi round pistol or a rifle/shotgun. 4.) A moose you’ll need a rifle or bear spray. The creatures can be bigger than cars so you’ll need a lot to protect against them. 5.) For humans I’d recommend a taser or pepper spray. 6.) Wild dogs or sick animals a gun would be best in case of your safety. Pepper spray will work with most animals however some animals are more susceptible to it than others. That’s why understanding what animals are near your area would be important to understand before backpacking or camping.
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, 1785
Bear spray is for the bears. Pistol is for the varmints in the parking lot. I have seen several people open carry in National parks or on a trail and my companions never saw it. Yes carry a pistol as you normally would for self protection. But not in federal buildings.
You should carry a gun everywhere you are legally permitted to do so. I don't even carry a gun because I'm worried about bears I carry gun because I'm worried about tweakers
@@JourneyMore I'm talking about in the woods. I live in the Rocky Mountains, they find Grows out in the back country all the time. We also have Bears and Mountain Lions wandering into town
Rational thought why wouldn't I carry, legal location or not, if I'm not doing illegal why would I be searched? However if I had to use it to defend myself against a would be threat... im almost 100 positive a gun charge in an illegal area is still better than the alternative danger of Death!
I think the practical application wins it. Unlikeliness, better tactics and bear spray are good points but you can do all those things and carry a gun. They aren’t mutually exclusive. It is more weight to carry, it is added responsibility, and you will likely never need it but… needing it was never my argument. My argument was… I want to carry a gun. Because guns are neat and we live in a free country.
The law...yeah my 2nd Amendment. Weight? that's only for those ultra-lighters. Would bear spray deter mountain lions? also, mountain lions STALK their prey. Humans are also the biggest threat. Always carry your pistol in a holster. ALWAYS.
every argument against pretty much boils down to a statistical argument. you're unlikely to this or that degree to need it. this is a silly argument. your cruise ship is unlikely to sink, but it's still a good idea to have a life jacket.
Sorry…… Bear spray I guess is ok, but wind not in your favor with a bear attack situation is your funeral if there’s anything left of your body! You NEED a firearm! Me…… I’ll go to jail instead of watching myself being ripped apart!
No. The answer is no. You do not need a firearm. All you’ll do is freak people out, add extra weight to your already heavy pack (because tacticool people always overpack) thus adding discomfort to your shoulders, and experience chaffing to your hip.
@@xtreme4stringbass In your pack would be a weapons maintenance kit and likely spare ammunition. Besides, I never said the weapon would go into your pack. I even said towards the end that you'd experience chaffing to your hip.
Well good luck when you run into a bear or big cat there buddy. Since you're against carrying a firearm, or some psychopath out in the woods. It doesn't ass hardly any weight carrying on my side.
@@D-A-1776 Seen many bears on trail across the US, even had my tent visited by one. Never needed a gun. That’s how I know you’ve probably never done an overnight trip in the wild.
It's a good idea to carry firearm everywhere you go.I don't think I've ever went on a hike in the woods or a camping trip where I didn't carry a firearm. You may not need it but you definitely don't want to be the person that needs it and it's sitting in the truck or at home.
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if carry probably won't actually have it in your pack. Like all the pieces of your kit you have to weigh the benefit of it against its inconveniences and make the calculation for yourself.
Didn't watch the video: the answer is fuck yeah.
Always carry. not only bear, but big cats depending on where you are and also people. Deep woods are perfect for people to hide and rob a hiker or kill I always carry 2 pistols and bear spray. Better to have and not need than need and not have. I also carry 2 combat knives and a few other little gadgets that would help in a self defense situation. People go missing or killed in the woods all the time don't be one of them take protection at least one gun
Better to get caught with it than without it
People really going out in the woods defenseless is crazy
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I was hiking the other day I seen a crackhead with hypodermic needles laying all over the hiking trail. Will be buying Gunn soon.
@@PathSweeper lmfao 🤣
@@PathSweeperthere are plenty of LEO surplus Glocks for ~$450. Sigs rust, Taurus is rusty and can be unreliable.
Ammoseek for ammo
Gun. deals to get an idea on prices
Guns. com for more listings
Make sure you get good defense ammo like Speer or Hornady
I haven't been in grizzly country yet and spent little time in black bear areas so mabe its different when you are used to it but I think its kinda crazy that we go off into the woods where grizzlies, black bears, mountian lions and criminals on the run hang out. Yet we don't bring a gun because we are more worried about being fined or jailed for having a gun without a permit. I did read a bear attack book that was intended to make people carry bear spray instead of guns but the book made me terrified of them all together.
Totally understand your point. We do carry occasionally but we have the proper permits and would only use it for last resort. Bear Spray is very effective though! But still having a fire arm when you are trained and have the proper permits can add another tool of protection as last resort.
I'm responsible for my family's safety. Not leaving anything up to chance.
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I always carry when im in the woods, whether its a day hike or a backpacking trip.
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but is it legal to carry one while in the woods in America?
@MusicLuv80 yes.
@@MusicLuv80 in ny the tyrant gov passed a tyrants bill for no carry in park adirondacks national parks too
@@MusicLuv80most places, yes
There is simply NO valid reason for not having protection with you in the wilderness. My compact 9mm goes with me everywhere. It's best to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
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You should carry every wear you can and some places you can’t. My pistols are part of my dress.
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Carrying in 'some places you can't' sounds like knowingly committing a felony
@@Courtesyflush52 True.
@@Courtesyflush52 12 vs 6 argument here
@@0naledge In a lot of places the relative risk (assessing severity and likelihood) is not worth it
I always carry 2 to 3 guns everytime I'm in the woods or even if I'm hiking here's advice for the new hikers always carry a gun in the woods always my 3 guns is a kel tec sub 2000 , glock 19 9mm and glock 20 10mm
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I was hoping you would gave 10mm on the list
Going hiking for the first time soon. I’m going to carry an M&P shield 9mm and a glock 17 9mm. I hear it’s not so much the animals that you have to watch out for it’s the sadistic weirdos and methhead cookers out there.
@@Dmvgold1995 LMAO haha. You are definitely right about carrying more than one though. Since you got Glock 17 that carries 17 rounds. You may want to carry Glock 20 or 40 that shoot 10mm. 9mm ain't going to stop bears, but 10mm would have much better chance to go through their hard skull. Each state law is different, but I would make sure to comply the law, and conceal carry permit.
@@cooltonic1880 when faced with a bear, make large and take two steps toward it. 40% of the time they run when you step towards them. Then stop, make noise and load up. Growl good luck
Another use for a firearm is signaling an SOS if you are lost or injured. Safely fire three shots, wait a while and repeat as necessary.
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There Is only one law and it is the constitution
Always carry a firearm
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Agreed I think the only point that really holds any weight is the bear thing. I think it’s commonly known that a little pea shooter 9mm glock is not enough fire power to put down a grizzly before it runs up to you and mangles you to death. However if it’s something like sadistic axe murder or a mountain lion I’m going for it
@@Dmvgold1995 while not the optimal caliber 9mm has multiple instances stopping bears. Just use the right loadings for bears.
@Chris Adams doesn’t mean it’d be wise to think the odds are in your favor with that caliber. But I suppose if you’re that desperate and figure you’re going to die anyways then what the hell
@@Dmvgold1995 . 9mm is more than capable of doing the job, especially with the right round
From personal experience, shooting toward the ground will scare EVERY animal. The noise is so loud and comes as such a surprise, the animal has only one reaction, run as hell away from you.
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Never rely on bear spray.
If the wind blows in your direction, how effective is your bear spray going to be!?
The NPS only recommends bear spray because the bears are protected and they don't want the headache of filling out a ton of paperwork.
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That’s ridiculous. Bears are far more easily deterred with bear spray than a firearm (which, given the topic of this video is the alternate). A firearm requires a precision shot, either right into the heart or brain. In order to defend yourself from a charging bear with a pistol caliber you’d need to have remarkable pistol skill under stress and adrenaline.
Bear spray, however, is weaker than human spray. Why? Because bears’ noses/factory membranes are significantly more sensitive than those of a person. Bear mace wouldn’t affect a human like human mace would.
@@SophisticatedDogCat That's simply a lie and you're misleading people, which, could get them maimed or killed.
@@SophisticatedDogCat unload the chamber and they are DEAD.
@@andrewvlogs9371 Good luck popping off numerous rounds with a gigantic bear high on adrenaline charging you.
I understand the cons being presented. However, in my 50+ yrs of riding in automobiles, i have to wear my seatbelt EVERY time i get into one. yet of the hundreds of thousands of rides i have taken, i have been in an accident ONCE (i was a passenger). So that would also be considered VERY rare occurrences. And i understand that i still have to wear a seatbelt just in case. I take a firearm on every hike that i take. Because during the times that you find yourself in the isolated spaces of a hike, and you do come across a situation where you might need something to defend your person, having and not needing is way better than needing and not having. You can deal with 'the law' from a healthy standing later on.
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I would carry both, i don't like the idea of using a gun on someone and hope I won't have to, but people are probably the worse thing you can encounter out there.
Yea I could agree with that. People would be the biggest danger!
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Agreed. I train regularly and men are the greatest threat for sure.
@@victoriagoddard4617 be safe out there, it's always good to make friends out on the trail but don't be afraid to defend yourself either.
There are very few KNOWN cases of murder in the wilderness but people disappear on the PCT and the AT every year.
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The AT has always had bad rep of having a good chance of being SA's or K'd in your sleeping bag
The wilderness is the perfect place for murderers to operate.
Yeah I hear that too about the AT .
Ummm why don’t you tell the 13 people murdered on the AP trail to date…that’s why you’re allowed to carry on it now..
That is so sad! The laws are there to be able to protect yourself for sure!
There's no exact right or wrong answer, other than it's situation dependent. I'm 55 and have never carried a gun while hiking. The most I carried was a hunting knife. But then again, I never hiked in what I consider a high risk environment or time of day. And I will not hike in bear country, firearm or not.
I carry in the woods and the hood!
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Great video! I agree weight is a big factor when hiking on the trail but I tell you what, there ain’t a worse feeling in the world when you need your gun NOW and you realize you left it at home to shave off a few pounds. My firearm is an essential part of the trip. If it can’t go, I don’t go.
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ALWAYS CARRY! He doesn't know about the hundreds of cases on missing hikers and murderers in the wilderness. Sheesh.
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I forget my wallet and shoes before I forget my gun.
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I agree 100 % i dont camp anymore sence im getting old lol. But one thing i love to do is fish for flathead catfish off the river bank at night and it gets a little spooky around 1am. That being said i keep a taurus 605 357 mag in my tacklebox. I load it with 158 grain jhp and keep a speed loader to with cci shotshells for snakes. I have shot many sneaky 🐍snakes with it. Lol. Yes everyone should be packing a gun in the woods regardless of laws. Its better to be tried by 12 instead of being carried by 6.
I bet it is spooky at 1am out there! Thanks for watching and sharing!
does not matter how much you train,nothing goes as planned in real life, most of the time the sound will scare them off
From my experience in the wild here are my opinions on what to use for which animals.
1.) I’d recommend bear spray for big bear attacks
2.)For coyotes, a pellet gun or whistle,
3.) Mountain lion you’ll need a Multi round pistol or a rifle/shotgun.
4.) A moose you’ll need a rifle or bear spray. The creatures can be bigger than cars so you’ll need a lot to protect against them.
5.) For humans I’d recommend a taser or pepper spray.
6.) Wild dogs or sick animals a gun would be best in case of your safety.
Pepper spray will work with most animals however some animals are more susceptible to it than others. That’s why understanding what animals are near your area would be important to understand before backpacking or camping.
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, 1785
Bear spray is for the bears. Pistol is for the varmints in the parking lot. I have seen several people open carry in National parks or on a trail and my companions never saw it. Yes carry a pistol as you normally would for self protection. But not in federal buildings.
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Ha ha! "The law" you mean the infringements.
Hahaha there you go!
Better to be a warrior in a garden. Than a gardener in a war
Should also be noted some parks do not allow bear spray.
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You should carry a gun everywhere you are legally permitted to do so.
I don't even carry a gun because I'm worried about bears I carry gun because I'm worried about tweakers
I think this is the reason most people carry!
@@JourneyMore I'm talking about in the woods. I live in the Rocky Mountains, they find Grows out in the back country all the time.
We also have Bears and Mountain Lions wandering into town
@@coyoteblue9733 Yes! I understood that. I was meaning it as in the woods too.
Bear spray harms the user more than the animal, wind blowback is real. I learnt this first hand in Zion.
That is a great point! Blowback is definitely real and has to be considered. So sorry you experienced that yourself!
My answer: SK Yes. Not taking any chances with 2 or 4 legged critters. It is a great deterrence 😅
Rational thought why wouldn't I carry, legal location or not, if I'm not doing illegal why would I be searched? However if I had to use it to defend myself against a would be threat... im almost 100 positive a gun charge in an illegal area is still better than the alternative danger of Death!
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Well I would rather carry a firearm while I would go hiking
If I can’t carry then I would not go hiking in that place
I think the practical application wins it. Unlikeliness, better tactics and bear spray are good points but you can do all those things and carry a gun. They aren’t mutually exclusive. It is more weight to carry, it is added responsibility, and you will likely never need it but… needing it was never my argument. My argument was… I want to carry a gun. Because guns are neat and we live in a free country.
You're far more likely to run into a crazy human on the trail than a crazy animal from my minimal experience. So train well with 9mm hollow point ammo
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I might carry a .357 when hiking because odds are youd need your gun for an animal
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Carry a firearm, but use the bear spray....much better chance for you to survive the encounter (and the bear gets to live too).
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Bullshit. Everytime i go to the mountains i bring a 12g, AR and sidearm #thumbsdown
Hahaha love it!!😂 I'm not against the 2nd ammendment just putting all the options out there!
The law...yeah my 2nd Amendment. Weight? that's only for those ultra-lighters. Would bear spray deter mountain lions? also, mountain lions STALK their prey. Humans are also the biggest threat. Always carry your pistol in a holster. ALWAYS.
every argument against pretty much boils down to a statistical argument. you're unlikely to this or that degree to need it. this is a silly argument. your cruise ship is unlikely to sink, but it's still a good idea to have a life jacket.
I think that’s a good point! Thanks for watching!
I can answer this question for everybody so you don’t have to really deep down mentally into this video. Yes, carry the gun.
Sorry…… Bear spray I guess is ok, but wind not in your favor with a bear attack situation is your funeral if there’s anything left of your body! You NEED a firearm! Me…… I’ll go to jail instead of watching myself being ripped apart!
Best to have and not need than need and not have. 💯
Great idea I always carry a firearm when hiking or camping, better safe than sorry!
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@@JourneyMore Anytime! 🙂
The real answer is yes.
the other side has no valid reason
The law is the 2nd amendment.
That is true🤷🏻♂️
Unrelated, but the background music has major Hobbit (video game) Shire/ exploration vibes!!
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sorrrrrry......... carrying in the wilderness is LEGAL in my mind....
Always carry
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Anyone carry in the adirondacks
You two minutes are up……
Hahaha oh yea?
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Hahaha what are your thoughts on it Michael?
No. The answer is no. You do not need a firearm. All you’ll do is freak people out, add extra weight to your already heavy pack (because tacticool people always overpack) thus adding discomfort to your shoulders, and experience chaffing to your hip.
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That makes no sense, a gun would be on your hip or chest. It is useless in a back pack.
@@xtreme4stringbass In your pack would be a weapons maintenance kit and likely spare ammunition. Besides, I never said the weapon would go into your pack. I even said towards the end that you'd experience chaffing to your hip.
Well good luck when you run into a bear or big cat there buddy. Since you're against carrying a firearm, or some psychopath out in the woods. It doesn't ass hardly any weight carrying on my side.
@@D-A-1776 Seen many bears on trail across the US, even had my tent visited by one. Never needed a gun. That’s how I know you’ve probably never done an overnight trip in the wild.