John Deere 9570R charge pump repair (part 2)
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- Опубліковано 22 гру 2021
- Here we continue to repair the charge pump now that the cab has been removed from the John Deere 9570R. I’m going to get to the root cause of the failure and make this tractor like new again. #johndeere #johndeeretractor #johndeeretractorpower #johndeeregreen
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You're a patient man with a great mind to "think" through the process. Impressive! Love your videos!
Thank you!
Huge job! A guy hasn’t lived until he’s replaced one of these pumps. That’s why they pay you the big bucks.
Our construction company has 13 9520,9530,&9630 you have showed me so much stuff. I use it every day.
They sure were not thinking of you when they placed that charge pump, wow! Awesome video like always! Thanks!!
Damn engineers still insist on putting pistons and connecting rods INSIDE the motor where you can't get at them...
@@buckhorncortez Exactly, the way these guys go about they expect every part to be placed in an easily accessible, labeled drawer.
As always Zeth, great video! Nice to see “real world” troubleshooting and problem solving on UA-cam. Keep up the great work!
Thanks!
It’s absolutely impressive what you get to work on. The engineers really should bring the techs in when they’re designing tractors in order to do a better job to make it a little better to get to bolts and hoses. Better for the tech and the customer who has to pay for labor. It seems like every industry has this issue when designing. I really like the education you bring and the level of technical information
Why? Its not like this type of job has to be done every week. 2 or 3 times in the tractors life maybeb
@@patu5798 do you realize how much this job costs to do? And once the cab is off theres always a squeek or rattle somewhere
You are just brilliqnt and so calm in carrying out repairs.
"bring the thunder"...i hear that from the guy on vice grip garage say that when he cranks up an old car he's working on...love it...
I think you need to add the prefix of "professor" to your name. Your knowledge base is incalculable. I'm surprised JD has not offered you a position at its headquarters instructing other technicians...or maybe they have? At any rate, when failure is not an option, we know who to call!!
Thank you very much!
Thanks for showing us non big machinery types the ins and outs…greatly appreciate your work!
Great job Zeth, I really enjoyed watching the man you've become. Your work ethic, attention to detail is AWESOME!
Keep up the great work, go John Deere!
atta boy, great videos... Lawrence, from saskatchewan canada
Amazing how well engineered these tractors are. Once again Zeth your skills are exemplary!!
Yeah, extremely well engineered. In order to replace a pump, as a maintenance engineer you just have to unhook numerous bolts and hydraulic lines so that you can lift the entire cab off the tractor. In order to set the cab aside, you just need some big wooden blocks, because it would be ridiculous if the cab could just be placed on the ground without wooden supports. This process just takes half a day. Then you just have to take off two wheels in order to gain access to a set of bolts and hydraulic lines on the bottom of the pump assembly. Then you need to remove a lot of dust and dirt that is below the now removed cab, so that you can unbolt yet another set of hydraulic lines and bolt. Now you just need some acrobatic skills to remove the actual pump assembly, which was built with one undersized sprocket which was destined to fail on this giant tractor.
In order to finish the installation of the new pump, just reverse all operations you just did. If you’re a good mechanic, you can probably pull them off in yet two more days. The customer will be super happy with this marvelous piece of maintenance friendly engineering, because that 10 dollar sprocket will cost him no more than a week of lost productivity, thousands of dollars in repairs (including an expensive recovery) plus a few parts. Really well engineered John Deere…
"well engineered"? You're being sarcastic, right?
Zk I don’t read the comments because over the years I’ve learned how nasty people get in the comments attacking the people that did the video Grace and peace man
Great video. I've been an auto tech for 18yrs and it's intriguing to watch your videos and how it is to diag and work on big machinery vs light duty vehicles.
At 25 min and what a two tasks at once well done, that was one of a tight swap well done on showing us how things are on those big US tractors.
Great job! I believe it was 16 degrees when you pulled that one into the shop - meant to ask if the guys working in the shop notice it when that big old door opens and lets the cold air in..... Amazing that you can get all those hydraulic lines, coolant lines, refrigerant lines, cab, covers, and electrical harnesses back together without problems in addition to the original one! I suppose the designers of this equipment (as well as most vehicles) do their job while assuming that it will never need to be serviced. I hope you don't run into more of these tractors with the same failure - that would get old in a hurry!
Приветствую. Много раз снимал этот тандемный насос , но без снятия кабины и без снятия колеса)
❤Been into your channel for the past year, I'm an old school tech. 1990s ford 10 series, ie 7610.. 6610.. 8210... 2wd and 4wd. Wow how things have changed. Love your work buddy, sorry don't know your name. I'm nick. Peterborough in the UK. 80MILES North o London. 😎😎
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From the UK. Your video facinating. The loads on that tiny hydraulic pump spline can be clearly large! Not familiar with JD kit, but does that multiple pump pack also drive the articulated power steering? Those duals can force high initial loadings!
Almost 78 years. As a youngster in the mid 1960’s I was involved in the testing/measuring of small tractors at a UK government agency to develop safety cabs, suspension seats and reduce noise following UK fatalities on farms from tractors overturning, noise induced deafness and back related injuries. An objective was to produce a British standard, and tractors were also getting larger. An ex WW2 airfield runway was used to ensure a consistent surface to measure on using a dynamometer car. I had a microphone attached by a frame close to my ear whilst driving a test tractor.
I got tired just watching. Great work. Save your back. Can't imagine what the labor and parts bill is going to be!
Thanks so much for all these videos. The insight you've provided on this equipment has been extremely valuable. The information about the known issue with the turn signal and now a poorly designed pump drive helped my uncle choose a New Holland tractor for his farm. Thanks so much!
Guess if there was a technician working for new holland with a UA-cam channel, you would quickly realize Deere is a superior product and way easier to use for the operator.
I bet most operators would beg to differ, brand new Deere machines breaking down is most of your content and there is other mechanic channels working on other tractors, they're just not brand new.
New Holland has major issues with midsized tractor hydrolic pumps. It so bad that it takes around 3 months to get one of yours goes out. There are none available.
Just now watching this …. That’s like a heart valve transplant
I don't know which ones are more important Crowsfoot or swivel sockets, but you are correct. They are a lifesaver and anytime I take a little dirt to the face opposed to hydraulic oil while I got you thank you for all the great videos appreciate them all and look forward to the next one accomplishments for a young man I am retired from the business, did it for many years all I can say is the equipment keeps getting better to work with but then again they make the equipment hotter to work on by contacting it all in a small area which at times contest your patients. You are absolutely correct three surgeries later on my back partly why I'm retired work smarter, not harder and don't end up like me.
I myself mark am old skool tech, I did the fords 10 series early 90s, was a tech for 12 yrs, they are just so electrical and sensors now.. Z does make it look quite simple , but he has obviously studied his trade to get where he is today.
I’m in Scotland and we just don’t have tractors this size so it’s incredible to see the effort that goes into servicing and maintaining machines this size. You seem like someone who takes pride in what they do and a top quality mechanic 👨🔧
I just dig how you channel your favorite 'Tuber' whilst you do these jobs!
Nice work.... would have liked to have seen the charge pump stripped right down and checked the internal splines out and suggestions why it failed.
Looks to me like the pump drive splines are “under engineered” or not properly hardened. Unless one of the stacked gear pumps overloaded the main drive shaft? Nice work for sure.
I love watching your videos thanks so much
Merry Christmas! A great job on this tractor and video series!
When it's still under warranty, it's all fine and dandy, but wait till these things are 8 years old, still cost over $100k to purchase and it costs $20k or more for a repair. Part of the reason prices on old iron are skyrocketing.
at least the engineers made it handy to service n remove those pumps as im sure there was noooo other place to have located them
I think the pump coupler splines are too small to run 4 pumps. Or the shaft was too soft.
Started watching these about a month ago. I've enjoyed the videos and learned alot. I work for a JD dealer down in Georgia. Small Ag and turf store. I call it a surf and turf store. Really cool to see the bigger side of JD and big AG!
Thanks for sharing Zeth Merry Christmas Bud.
ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO! Thanks!
Thanks Zeth great video happy holidays
Hi. I am from Kazakhstan! I am working in john deere. It's video very good
Great work and video.
Great video Zeth, very entertaining and educational! Merry christmas!
Happy Birthday to your Dad!! AND Merry Christmas
Excellent video👍🏽
Engineers make it so easy and fun. I used to do hydraulics on aircraft in the Air Force. Many a colorful name came from my mouth on their designs.
We just have to outsmart them.
I spent 7 yrs in the AF. VT29 at Kessler out of Tech School, Caribous at CRB, RVN, then on to Charleston on C-141s and then on C-5As. I only thought I knew something about hydraulics until I got on thAT BUFF!After I got out I spent the next 47 years in the fluid power industry. I just retired this year.
Thank you for your service!
Often Engineers don't have much of a choice. We are given a small space to put things and then expected to put a boat load of stuff in that small space. If anyone can do better, I welcome their input.
Dennis Lewis make good stuff, not excuses
Wow what a intense job good work man impressive
PHENOMENAL JOB FANTASTIC JOB THANKS AGAIN FOR KEEPING THE BIG IRON MOVING &FARMS HAPPY
Absolutely love the VGG references! That's one of my favorite channels!!
What a lot of work to replace an oil pump. The drive gear is too small IMO to drive the remaining pumps. I dread to think what the bill will be for this job. Deere should be giving some support to the customer as this failure should not happen. Also who would design a tractor with hydraulic pumps so difficult to access.
Good job Sir. Happy Xmas and please keep the education flowing. Cheers from London UK.
Great job Zeth lots of things to remove to replace that pump. Thanks for sharing.☺️☺️☺️👍👍👍👍
I really thank you for the great work you are doing ,it has helped me to recognize those parts I didn't know on our jhon dere tractors at the farm
So will the metal filings eventually screw up the gearbox?
Why can't they design the pumps to come out without removing the cab?
Wow you sure know what you are doing to get that thing sorted, what a pain in the arse to work on. Im impressed
Patience of Job, I commend you!
Another exceptional video. A lot of technical schooling background and knowledge and dedication. Enjoy watching your videos keep the knowledge coming. I'll definitely look you up at the next one. Stay safe!!
Always enjoy, Red over Green but both are great machines... Thanks for the come along....
Great video Zeth👍 Them Bolts are a pain. That’s how I did that 9370R. They are probably going to come out with a PIPI and will have to change all me pumps . Keep up the great work. Merry Christmas
Awesome job. Really, outstanding. It's unbelievable that the engineering it's so complex. The engineering born to make everything simple. In many places like my country (Argentina) this monsters are not reliable because we don't have the people to fix them and we haven't got access to replacement parts.
Great video. I cannot imagine what this repair cost. And I thought planes were expensive 👍
I enjoy your channel. Merry Christmas
Ha ha ha 67.2 ft pounds! Thanks for another great video, I love how calm and patient you remain.
Great video
That’s really big tractor
What a job ! Man, having to remove the cab to access a pump. Crazy.
Nice work.
Great vid! Merry Christmas
Fascinating, luv the videos
This is like the Ag version of Vice Grip Garage. A feller just can't believe it, but I got to.
Merry Christmas happy new year Grace and peace
The pump input shaft almost looks like it's designed to fail there rather than force torque into a system that's hydro-locked. Only the work required to change it makes me doubt that theory, normally such intentional weak links are at least a little easier to get to... and wouldn't require changing all the pumps all the same. I do think that the pump stack design itself is really clever! And, uhm, space-optimized with the hoses in there. haha
I think a shear pin would be superior to broken gears and glitter everywhere though.
Yes I too hear my Dads voice every time I get up out of a chair or bed.Don't pick that up it is bigger than you are hind site is 2020. I have had 4 back operations I have metal rods in both
upper and lower legs along with a small pump in my lower left side of my belly that pumps
meds direct into my spine,I just turned 60 January 15 2022 and I have been farming 52 years.
Word of advice to all of you out there SAVE YOU'R BACKS don't end up like me.............
Many thanks for this series of videos. One thing that is clear is JD didn't consider serviceability in the design. What a lot of dismantling and major access problems to replace a pump. I sense you are getting a lot of satisfaction when you can drive your patient around the yard and feel it ready to get back out in the fields once more. What kind of costs would this job being accruing? Parts and labour? This isn't take you five minutes to complete after all. I live out in the country side in the UK and we do have "Green iron", but not as big as the machines you play with. You never see twin tyre configurations here as they wouldn't fit on the roads. However there is plenty of plant about and now when I pass a tractor I am thinking about ZK.
the pump is $5500
Viewed 12-24-21 from Illinois Hi Zeth. Hope you are getting paid well. That kind of work is not a walk in the park. I spent over 30 years with Massey Ferguson ( now retired) fully understand working on the equiptment it's not easy :))))
As a vehicle / equipment mechanic, don't think they could pay me enough to wrench on that stuff full time. I've done a bunch of work on excavating equipment and that's bad enough for access but man I hope you make at least $400 an hour. Nothing but respect.
Lot of work but good job and have a Merry Christmas
Zeth Why is that hydraulic pump referred to as a "charge" pump ? My guess would be it is because it supplies oil to a series of "stacked pumps" , rather than have them try to suck inlet oil themselves. There is an electronic circuit that does something similar & it is called a "charge pump" as well, but it moves electrons & not oil. Great videos Zeth...I troubleshoot & fix a lot of electrical & electronic problems for local farmers, but at 81 I don't work on any mechanical things at all. I love your videos....you are one Hell of a mechanic !
The gear pump assembly has four pumps and the charge pump is one of them. The charge pump sucks oil from the reservoir and feeds several circuits but mainly the main hydraulic pump.
@@ZKMasterTech Hi. Are any of those pumps operating at a high system pressure or are they all just charging separate circuits.
@@gavinwill4291 well each one has a specific purpose and I wouldn’t say they are running high pressure. Pumps don’t create pressure they create flow. The only pump running on the tractor that operates at high pressure due to restrictions and load on the circuit is the main hydraulic pump.
@@ZKMasterTech Thanks for replying really enjoying your videos. What I was trying too get at was pressure times flow equals power. If there is low pressure in those circuits the power demand won't be that high . Probably why the input shaft was small. I agree it should have been bigger. Keep up the good work I look forward too what's next.👍
crazy how much work has to be done, for such a "small" failure from the gear
Those QSX15’s are great engines! A shame the Case steigers went away from them. The early STX tractors were the ultimate for mine, these new johnnys seem pretty good, always going to have a few teething issues!
Holy crab!! That is a lot of work. Great job. Just reinforces if I buy new iron it will have a extended warranty!!!
Yeah I highly recommend power guard.
Happy birthday dad and merry Christmas to all
Dang right! work smarter not harder. !
I bet you that the tractor layout designer never met the charge pump designer 😅
They both should be punished by working on them for a year
Agreed
Like a puzzle, What a job ...😯had those jobs, halve the time is figuring how to get it apart ! I did a Honda starter for a friend that other day & the only way I could get the bolts out was with my 24"extension and swivel sockets , it was so so tight ! Had to take the manifold off first , I was like really ? Honda! Wow
Great video! I’ve done several jobs similar to yours regarding the use of the forklift…if it helps you Zeth..once the forklift is positioned for removal, I put down green masking tape on the concrete floor..I make two L’s noting the front and sides of front wheels. That way when I come back for install I know exactly where to position the forklift, so I’m not getting on and off 10 times. Well done and have a Merry Christmas!
All the hydro's on the tractor are from that little tiny gear! 😮 I agree thinking that should have had a bit more size on that.
Not the primary pump only the secondaries
another great video from you , it seems funny seeing a tractor with tyres that arnt cut to ribbons ?? we farm on land which is called chalky boulder clay ,which has a high content of flint !! which when broken up its as sharp as a razor , hense the poor ol tyres get ripped to shreds , regards to you an all from the depths of essex UK
Have fun getting those clips and bolts 🔩 back in
Man I love those old 4020s
Can't beat them!
Awesome sauce boss
You ought to use the non-ratcheting end of the double box end wrench for final tightening and breaking loose, in my experience the ratcheting end will last much longer
I have one of those chain hoists in the 1/4 ton variety that gets used a lot in these type of jobs
Very interesting
well a guy must watch vice grip garage because the mannerism are so similar. love the videos!
Amazing video. I am terrified to know what that repair cost the farmer - ouch!!
I like your calibrated elbow. LOL
It's dialed in! 💪🏼
👀🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲always very interesting thanks for sharing 🎁👍
I like the little jokes you throw into your videos. Like the click,yup torqued 😂
Great videos, I am always wondering what you think the caused the problem. I always like to know how to prevent damage from occurring.
Thank You
That tank was clean, what metal you found was "normal" lol
Keren banget ya alat nya
Old vid but I’m just catching up. The VGG references and maybe the odd AVE references are awesome.
That is a small amount of metal. I seen a lot of metal when when a hydro blows up in a sprayer. Having a boom truck works great for working by yourself. I work out of on for the john deere I work for.
Won't lie, that 4020 is more my style. Simple, easy and not much goes wrong with the old classics. Today's stuff, surprised you tech's don't have the corporate phone number wore out from chewing out the designers and engineers on today's stuff. Too overly complicated. Great video, cheers :)
Great video again, maybe you will make an video about your tools ...
Already did
ua-cam.com/video/gzNVFDaBp_M/v-deo.html
Blimey zeth is there nothing easy to repair on those new tractors everything looks so awkward to get at 😦😦😦😦.
Hope you had a nice Christmas and have a good new year 👍👍👍👍just be careful with your back 👍👍👍
Great videos 👍👍👍