Sony Trinitron Madness
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- Опубліковано 23 кві 2017
- Two trash-picked Sony Trinitron CPD-G520P CRT monitors. Fancy. Can we bring them back to life through the magic of serial ports and ancient proprietary software?
Windas, Sony pattern generator & test images here:
drive.google.com/file/d/0B4R1...
Help me survive: / ffcossag
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It's so funny that some guy tossed these into a dumpster and said, "Nobody is going to want these things!" And little does he know, there is now a 30 minute UA-cam video about those exact monitors! Haha.
Just picked up the same one for free off Craigslist. One man's trash is another man's treasure, as they say.
Hahaha soo true after watching that video I am searching for the same monitor for my Xbox one s I'm thinking about making it into a arcade machine but it is very hard to find these monitors
@@royalrumble6531 Why would you choose an Xbox one s for that? Much more hassle than needed and overkill imo.
where I live if we pick something from electronic wast we will get a massive fine, or arrested.
@@Alphadec That's shitty.
*The thorough BlowJob Returns*
I was multi-tasking while this video was running and I had to run it back a little to see if I heard that one right... LOL
One does not somply give a blow job unless it’s pulled aside and thorough
What can I say? It's a sexy monitor =)
4:3 aspect ratio brother of the FW900 (G1W chassis) is the CPD-G500 (G1 Chassis). the CPD-G520 is a CR1 chassis
are they as bad as FW900 really? i had G500 and it was nothing like FW, and then G520 was nothing like these other two...
@@pranza You are right! the G500 have a modular board desing, unlike the CPD-G520, G520P and the GDM-F520 (althought the last two similar desing language as the FW900), which have a reduced single board engiennering.
I'm never going to use this info, but boy was it interesting.
Holy Moly thats an amazing Black level
I prefer these monitors over 4K tv’s these day’s.
If the tubes go bad what would you do then?
@@nathenzuber4021 i would let them to be repaired or put them in a basement for preservation.
Congrats on your new Trinitrons!
G2 = CRT screen voltage, which is several hundred volts.
Common term for CRTs in general.
Never in my life did I think there would be somebody out there like me who would dig this deep into these televisions! A spectacular video my friend and thank you for the enlightenment!!!!
Thorough and entertaining as always. Liked. Great joke at 31:07
Cheers
That makes me want to check if my 1999 Sun Microsystems-branded Trinitrons have a UART interface inside.
Yeah they do :)
I brought a Sony Dell P1110 have you come across any of these if so what do you think of there performance?
Loved the video by the way nice to see someone trying to save these old beasts.
damn. I remember lusting for this monitor many years ago.
Wow those are amazing!
Massive points for the Freefall mouse pad. Don't ever let Sam to send Helix to help you with projects. XD
i've never seen someone put so much effort into a trashed monitor, i need to find some like these here in America.
Now this brings back some memories. I still have a working (last time I was using it) Dell P790 with one of these Trinitron tubes down at my parents' place. damn thing could do 1600x1200@60Hz or it could go up to 120Hz at lower resolutions. After a night staring into it you could really feel your retinas being scorched.
If you want to see the funky Trinitron grille waves, try slapping it on the side.
I run mine without the tent 1024x768@160hz on csgo it’s god like!!!!!!!! I have the Sony fw900!
I recently found a Sony HMD-A200, also a flat panel model. on the roadside. These monitors are definitely very cool.
Sadly it only uses one hardwired vga cable as its input, but i cannot complain too much about a free crt.
I will have to clean it up soon, although i am a little scared of all of the voltage. But a bit of compressed air will definitely do it a well deserved service.
It does work well as it is, which is very nice.
Any advice on how to go about giving this thing the tlc it deserves?
A PC power supply floppy connector fits perfectly on the windas connector.
I think G2 is the equivalent of one of the two knobs found on the flyback tu adjust how bright is the screen.
Love it mate,Do not know what you are doing but I Love it haha,.
Hello, @FFcossad!
Do you know what was the intended gamma on NTSC and PAL? Maybe Trinitrons had that in mind...?
You have far more patience for these monitors than I would have, before I started using TFTs, I was of the "Can I see a picture on screen? Is it bright & clear enough? Yep, it's good" mindset, so going this deep into calibration, nah, I'd probably have gotten too frustrated with them and introduced them to gravity, or a brick, or something equally destructive... :)
My love for CRTs is rather newly founded. I realised that one should hang onto that which technology can't reproduce, and we will assuredly never have another completely analogue, refresh based display technology.
The only CRTs I miss are my two Compaq S710 17" CRT monitors, both bought dirt-cheap at the time (about 10 years back, one from ebay, one from a computer fair) and despite being Compaq, they were pretty damned good, until the mother's ex decided he wanted rid of them and threw them out without my say so, leaving my computers monitorless for quite some time... :\
@@twocvbloke Damn..
You can check the hours used by holding down "ok" button for 5 seconds when you see "no signal". Bottom row will show the ammount of hours.
We're still waiting for that second part of the video...
Im stuck with the WinDas software😢. I have a Windows XP machine and using what looks like the same adapter as you. I can choose the right monitor but cannot get any data saved. Just keep getting an error, cannot communicate with monitor, check the bus or something. The adapter is working because i connected rx to tx and was able to loop text back. So close and yet so far away. Did you experience any errors like that?
Great work if recalibrating that old crt tv screen, i really like those trinitron tv’s because it’s design and the picture on screen just looks way more sharper & appealing then on a curved tv set.
Now if all crt tv’s(wich sadly not)were calibratible via software rather then doing it manually, it would,ve been so much easier.
Very ideal for fd crt tv’s wich suffer from geometry issues even from the start!!
johneygd *Than on a curved set.
As someone who retired his last CRT almost 15 years ago (flicker allergic) but has attacked dozens of LCD monitors and internal displays with his i1Display Pro and DisplayCAL, I found this highly fascinating. In fact I recently recalibrated my trusty NEC 1990SXi and would have loved to discuss the intricacies of calibration with someone... like white point being a bit of a crapshoot. I found that while results with no compensation were close to what a matrix (CCMX) for this combination of gear gives, the spectral compensation (CCSS) file for "LCD CCFL IPS" supplied with i1Profiler asks for a lot more green. So if this is not trustworthy, what about the WLED backlight CCSS? I would have to get a $$$ spectrophotometer to verify, which is rather annoying.
_Somewhat_ higher gamma is not that much of a deal, just use them in the dark. ;) That's where the higher contrast will come in handy anyway. MPC-HC's color management has settings for gamma depending on lighting, with values of 2.35 for dim and 2.4 for dark environments.
Indeed, but the high gamma makes them absolutely useless for image editing (because lol inaccurate) and modern gaming (because you're blind compared to everyone else).
meow wow
Rocking that 1Display Pro and DisplayCAL combo too ! Of course calibrated via the hardware settings first as close as it can be first, i use my LCD (75" TV) as my computer monitor and also for AppleTV 4k, of course extra tweak inside PC and Mac, the DisplayCAL profiling..i aim for Rec 709 with a gamma of 2.2. I first use the HFCR first when doing hardware calibration, Rec 709, gamma 2.2, aiming delta below 1, then when using DisplayCAL on the same display, i use "native white point"(already calibrated via hardware menus with HCFR) and for display type is select "LCD generic".
I LOVED IT AND WILL TO DEATH. Bought mine €20 ahahahah. 2304x1440 if I remember well. MAGIC. But it goes to High End computer Paradise two years ago, after a serious career. Sad, because I'm sure it was possible to make it rise again...
My g520p has a sort of sagging corner in the top left geometry. Do you think winDas can help it?
Haha, i was drinking few beers and watched this...maybe i'm a masochist? Last time i calibrated my living room 75" LCD month ago, it took me about 3 hours (tweaking done inside the TV's own settings,, Delta values below 0.5 and tracking rec 709, nits around 110-120. Cherry on top of that, when running that TV with computers (PC and Mac), i have DisplayCAL profile on top of that (i use iDisplay Pro) miss those CRT's...last CRT monitor i had, i ordered that brand new around 2004, already when majority were pushing LCD's, when CRT were going out of production, it was a flat 22" inch diamontron (HP branded), i had it all the way to 2016. Good times !
Ty for upload, very good info.
I have been using Mitsubishi diamond pro 2070sb for about 18y. Have run many different Gpu's. Current is msi gtx 960. Bought new. Never run sb feature (OUCH my eyes)! I run it @85hz and frame-rate calculators go nutz , bouncing anywhere from 800fps to over 2000fps. Witcher3, Skyrim, Just Cause 3, ect.. Cannot find any ips or va to compare. Any suggestions on a new monitor?
ineptsot the 2070sb is a great aperture grille monitor, I wouldn’t upgrade that to anything except the extremely rare fw900. Moving to an lcd is not an upgrade imo.
I ran Windas on my GDM5510 (literally the same thing as the G520 but Sun branded) to fiddle with my convergence and geo and no matter what it will not unlock the bloody OSD. I made a backup straight away after starting the software and even restoring that didn't help, any tips?
I noticed on my g520 640x480 has terrible convergence. I tried winDas but there’s no adjustment for 640x480 there. Any thoughts ?
Amazing
posted the video to Reddit /r/crtmasterrace because of the sheer deliciousness of these monitors.
I had a G500 at one point in time. I miss that monitor. and do my eyes deceive me? Inspiron 8100? 8200? with the 15.1 UXGA panel!? such bliss.
Yep, it's an Inspiron 8200. It's nice as it has both WLAN, USB, a working battery, COM & parallel ports, a DVD burner and a diskette drive all in the same box.
Piss and beer? That's the kind of technology these kids are missing out on!
how true1
I have a sun monitor that uses Sony hardware. My problem is that it is relatively dark overall. Is this because of aging or is it possible to do something about it? I can turn the brightness up untill i see the grey borders that you fixed (but not as bright as you have it) but the stuff that actually should be bright (white and color stuff) is actually pretty dull.
emanemanresuresu not well mAde
If this model is like the CPD-G520/G420, after they have been running for 30 mins or so there's another option that appears in the GUI that lets you do a 'restoration' and that corrects the G2 without even taking the cover off. It's the lazy way to correct the excessive brightness. I assume Sony gave you this feature to counter ageing of the CRT. It rebalances the RGB drive so grey looks grey again too. Great video by the way! Great persistence shown.
Yep, I tried that on one of them and it basically just made it worse, hehe.
i got a dell p1130 and the image is sharp 100% only if i view it from the angles, if i sit in front of the monitor it is a little blurry and anoying after 1h of use.
in 2022 i started not to use the lcd bullshit tech. tired of it.
i can do multiple resolutions, i find the best for me 1920x1080@105hz dp>vga passive.
i opened it up, played with all the rings possible, made it a mess and made it look crysp again but the 10% blurr is not going away.
do you think i should play with the flyback knobs to see if i can fix focus or remove blurr?
it is so weard, i stand up and look@ it, sharp af, i sit on chair centered 10%blurry.
i tryed the gama correction and calibration from windows but nothing helped, 10%blurr all over the screen still present when viewing centered.
now i am thinking... shall i loosen the yoke and play with it?
shall i play with the flyback knobs?
the screen has the protective layer cut off the glass, should i polish the glass in hope that it can remove the 10% blurr?
thank you all for taking time to read this, i am in need for help and sugestions and will apreciate it 1000%
them trinitrons are tougher than you think as long as the aperture grill is not fucked and the gun alignment is not skewd they can be great monitors. the last one I had was great till it had the red tent issue.
LOL, I have a new B-stock E530 and a recycled one that's near perfect. They use the same tube as the G520 and are very comparable. Different styling though. Also have a Sun Microsytems monitor withe same tube and an extra lead that might be serial.
Thanks for the video! Very informative. I found it very daunting reading about WinDAS but it doesn't look too bad. I have and use a Sony 420GS as my daily driver and to be honest I cannot fault it. Superb colours, blacks, excellent monitor. I did get greedy though and bought a 21" Compaq P1100, rebadged Sony Trinitron and surprise surprise it arrived damaged, even on a pallet. The plastic in the case is so brittle that it arrived in a mess, even the facia has come off and only the bottom part with the buttons is left. Apart from that the screen is exactly like this, like an overexposed photo, the blacks are blue and no amount of fiddling will get it nice. I might actually try this to fix that!
Can you offer any advice about the case? I know there could be 30000 volts going through it so I am just a bit hesitant to use it and finding another P1100 is not gonna happen anytime soon. It's a pity not to keep it running though!
You're unlikely to get a shock from it unless you poke your fingers in by the big red wire that goes to the tube.
1800x1440 resolution?! Holy crap that's MORE vertical resolution than my 1080p monitor, but on a CRT! I didn't know there were CRTs with such a high resolution!
On sony
Yep. Now make it widescreen with the FW900. Highest it could do was 2304x1440 :)
The GDM-F520 which is the little brother of the famous GDM-FW900 is capable of 2048x1536 @ 75Hz. Lower resolutions = higher refresh rates, and the motion is so smooth and clear, it's something you don't even come close to with LCD. It also has an aperture grille pitch of .22 which is one of the finest known aperture grille Sony ever made. It was designed specifically for CAD and photo editing. But it's gaming chops became legend along with it's brother the FW900.
Shout out to the electronics channel hosts with accents crew (Bigclive, Eevblog, Greatscott and ffcossag)
This is very interesting, I've got a Mitsubishi 2070SB that could benefit from a bit of tweaking but I'll probably break it if I tried.
Interesting. In a comparison of 21" monitors by CNET, the Mitsubishi scored best. It cost though !
screen control on the flyback
Did part 2 of this video ever get made?
turn your G2 1000V screen down, it should be the other control on the flyback next to focus..
I remember how I was glad when I switched from SUN GDM5410 (FD Trinitron) to my first IPS LCD in 2006.
karel88l why? Because it was thinner, with worse contrast and viewing angle?
Sorry did you say £10k Barco? Well shit, I just scored one of these out of the scrap in some old labs we were clearing out.. there was a Barco there.. it was huge. Might have to do a bit of research on that one..
the worst decision to me is to have a 4k LG pc monitor which is matt. I kinda like the more contrast and no OLED - blinding spots like Twitch livestreamers playing a dark game but some animation for tips and subs pops up and blinds me in the dark. I love my sony Olympus OEV 143 PVM. Wish I can get iiyama if thats the name. EU or German Ebay has no CRTs except crappy ones then Sony consumer ones, Sony PVMs with some of them having really good prices but being in no-mans-land and the seller dont want to ship crts and PC monitor-wise; it is awful iiyama and sony are the last ones. Dell, no idea. Atari and IBM, maybe,
huh i have an old trinatron tv is that like these?
Hi! I've been offered to buy a Sony F520. It looks good, but it has pretty strong purple tint. What's weird is that the menu looks perfectly fine, but everything else is purple-ish. Did you monitor have the same issue? Any help would be very appreciated! Thanks!
You probably need to play around with it with the serial port. There's calibration software floating around on the internet, but it requires disassembly and making a DIY adapter.
FFcossag do you mean the WinDas software?
Im looking for a Backup eeprom Folder, more specifically I am looking for N3 and N2h chassis. Have anyone ? Great Video.
Have one of those sonys but mine is doublle the size of the bigger one weighs about 65 kilograms 130pounds? And have some weird RGB connectors on the back 1 connector for every color,but its 4 of those so im not sure if its rgb or something else like cyan magenta yellow black ,maybee...
Lipi19821 whats the name of the monitor?
Probably a composite sync connection, some models have separate horizontal and vertical synced making 5 BNC connectors on the back.
damn im jealous
At least you dont seem to hate the old windows Xp, most people do, i find it less annoying than later versions, but i have a partition with win 7 for those annoying programs that are made incompatable with xp.
Im sure you will get those monitors nice again :-D.
I would normally turn down the A1's on the line output transformer if all the power supply voltages ring true, old man speaking lol.
Windows XP is a lovely system, albeit lacking in some modern features.
zx8401ztv You prefer windows XP to 7 ... What about windows 10 ?
*Evil laughter*
In all seriousness, I love windows XP, even if the search bar of 7 is must. But what do I know, I use Linux ^^
If I count my legacy PCs I have Win 3.1, 98SE, XP , Vista, 7 and 10. I like 7 most I think but XP was fine Hah, you could run 3.1 in 4 MEG of ram although I have 12M fitted and a 586/133 CPU running under DOS 5.0.
all I understood is that those monitors are getting blown
Never managed to take the shell off my F520...
You need to push inn the tabs on the sides, then it should come loose.
Spyder 4 Pro - isn't that a photometer for LCDs? - you'll get inconsistent results from a CRT due to the different spectrum/metamerism of the tube phosphors compared to the backlight of an LCD.
It's provided good results on my other CRTs, it seems to work well enough.
the best monitor i used is a Sony Vaio
That's a computer. The Apple Retina displays are nice.
I have a trinitron with curve screen branded by Dell stored.
My mates destroy one like this monitors, that reaches more than fullHD, we had on our lab, branded by Sun, becouse they need some coils.
Make a video of gaming on a super high refresh rate with a CRT
My gaming skills are too pathetic.
FFcossag Plus the video camera would not do the monitor justice
I have 19 sealed boxed gdmfw900 want to buy one with free shipping ?
$8500 made in 2003
wait what? how
i had two and sold for like $100 - $50. they suffer from Sony disease (like we see guys fixing it here) and have other unpleasant things due to being so wide, too wide to maintain great focus everywhere, too wide even to have constant dot pitch - it's larger at the outer area. even the viewing angle - yes! - is for some reason narrow - can someone explain that?
Mitsubishi Diamondtrons are way better monitors, unless you must have a widescreen, and even then lcd is perhaps a better option unless gaming.
You're asking $8500 for the monitor?
Can i buy it?
You have Voice like Moss from IT CROWD (No hate)
Hard to listen to for a while!
do these monitors not have a manual knob to adjust the G2?
If you read these messages... I could use your help! I have a Sun-GDM5010PT-R (sony trinitron) but its convergence is super fucked because the UPS guy dropped it :< it was new in box.
You're probably screwed since the electron guns are going to be physically misaligned.
I managed to align them anyway :D its awesome now.
Your accent melted my ears...
Interesting ya can hack the firmware
4:23
what
a dppddp25g you say?
BALDREDASH TO I!
I see Swedish boxes, PC-Kort, Hårddiskar. Are you Swedish? =) You don't have a Swedish accent.
More or less. Not everyone has an accent!
720p50? Haven't seen that in a while...
Your browser's doing something odd, it's a 1080p50 video.
Well, YT defaults to 50p always if your browser supports it on the 720 and 1080p modes.
"sony confirmed for racist killed" me
Number one looks more color accurate on the left
How do you make money to live?
Darkipod his job?
By working part time and living with my parents.
I want a dump of the firmware now...
Re cap the one that's shit?!?
omg
lol bro what language are you speaking? Because I know that's not english 🤣
why do these super smart tech guys always use those fat old looking laptops? you think theyd have a nice workstation
Because fat old laptops tend to work better.
You speak lot!
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PLEASE UP LOAD your fix g520.dat...😟