Your Tongues Are Not Biblical: Responding to Todd Friel Cessationist Argument
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my testimony, I tried speaking tongues before i was saved, and i manifested a demon, the tongues i spoke sounded straight out of a horror movie and i couldn't fake holy spirit tongues. I took Jesus Christ as my lord, and confronted the evil that was in me, Jesus broke its chains and set me free from it. all the anger and confusion left me and then i could speak in tongues. there is no way any one could convince me that praying in tongues is not real. ...this was a very short version of the story, but exactly what happened
Amen!
My church has tongues followed by interpretations. However, it’s only when someone is speaking in tongues loudly when it’s a quieter moment. Doesn’t happen every Sunday, but does happen several times a year.
I've attended a church that does this, whenever someone would speak loudly in toungues even the music quiets down and they ask the congregation if someone received the interpretation, I was blown away by this but specially by the message that was interpreted. It was always a spirit led message
How does the person giving the message know that there will be someone who can interpret. I just think of Paul saying that he would rather say FIVE WORDS that could be understood over TEN THOUSAND in tongues. It's fine for a personal prayer language but often not very edifying for the church as a whole.
@@thecatalysm5658 it’s usually always the same person giving the interpretation. I believe it’s his gift.
I know a man who literally received the gifts of tongues and was able to speak multiple different languages on command consciously and still has his gift to this day. I am in touch with him and can validate 100% that he received this gift from the Holy Spirit and can verify the other languages, which are known of other nations, some of which are from Africa, which he speaks. His name is Charles and he’s a relatively poor man from Brazil that was a missionary that spoke at a service that I actually got saved at back in 2012 in Panama City, FL at Hiland Park Baptist Church.
@@lisachambers3683 When you know every language that was ever spoken on earth you can call someone's prayer language jibberish . I have to Strongly Rebuke your for insulting Holy Spirit when you weren't even there . Shame on you !
great gift fora missionary!
When I received the gift of tongues I was completely undone in my intellectual pride and received freedom from the intellectual gymnastics of the fallen mind. Much like the beautiful burbling of the many babies I have cared for, the communication is pure spirit to spirit - I don't necessarily have to "know" what a baby is saying in my mind - but I sure can tell what the baby is wanting to communicate through his or her little spirit.
The mind is carnal and is only really useful when it is in submission to the Truth of the Holy Spirit.
So you speak a real language that you never learned for the purpose of spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ? Or you babble nonsense like a pagan? Tongues that aren’t known is different from tongues that don’t follow a linguistic speech pattern. You need to really analyze what you’re doing against scripture and I say all of that to you in love.
GOD Bless! ❤️
So what did you say in tongues? Or did you not have an interpreter?
Same!! Praying in tongues has taken my faith to “childlike” next level- I’m getting to know Jesus’ voice.
@@AfricanSheepyes after you stop praying in heavenly lenaguaje usually if you keep your mind ready to hear the interpretation you will get what you said in your own lenguaje
@@tonosegovia9797 great. Can you show me a Bible verse for that?
I gotta say, I came to this video expecting a more combative approach from Todd and you guys. Not that I wanted that, it’s just what I’ve come to expect because of internet. This whole video from Todd to yall’s rebuttal was class. I respect it.
Me too!
I enjoyed this discussion. Yes charismatics can go off base sometimes but really all denominations struggle to stay their track. It’s frustrating but unavoidable. Love being able to pray intongues
I've witnessed my Nana speak Spanish to a Spanish speaking nurse to save my grandads life. Neither him or her have ever had lessons or tried to speak Spanish. I believe this is actually speaking in tongues.
Yes that would be tongues for sure! ❤
@@houseontherock8345 That would be the only known use of tongues.
@@investfluent4143 Paul does mention "tongues of angels" in 1 Cor 13....which implies that people under the power of the Holy
Spirit can speak in Angelic tongues which are not any known human languages and therefore cannot be understood by anyone (unless there is someone with the gift of interpretation present)....So this would be another use of tongues.
So, bable “tongues” is not a language. Acts “every man heard them speak in his own tongue “language”.
Acts proofs it’s languages and not bable jeberish .
@@mireliomarzo6468 Some claimed they were drunk but Peter explained what was happening at that time . People that never were baptized in the Holy Ghost should refrain from committing on things they never experienced.
49:27 😂 don’t ever cut out “bloopers” or stuff like this from your podcasts. It makes me feel like I’m learning theology with my goofy older brothers. 👏🏻
I absolutely loved the part where Josh talked about how there was a group of people interpreting something and they all had different things to say and then one person said they heard from Isaiah and when they looks at the passage everything that people had interpreted was from that passage in Isaiah! That is so beautiful, and that is the work that only God can do! I love the gifts because they glorify God so much. We could not do these things in our own strength, it is only a gift from God
I am thankful for this platform.
Wish I could’ve tuned in live! Can’t wait to hear this!
You have no idea how thankful I am to come across your UA-cam channel I've been looking for a more charismatic side of content
I'm American, and I learn to speak Korean while in the military. My wife is Korean and we speak Korean a lot together. But that is not speaking in tongues I just learned a foreign language. I have had some people in a Baptist Church trying to get me to speak in tongues, but God is not giving me that gift. He has given me the gift of discernment which I prayed for. I see a lot of Truth and many things happening in the world and I do not concentrate on something that God has not blessed me with. If he forced to speak in tongues I'll leave that up to them. If somebody wishes to interpret in tongues I'll leave that up to them. Neither of those are gift that I possess or that I desire. God bless all of you.
The blessing of praying in tongues is that the Spirit knows how to pray in certain situations when we are at a loss as to how to pray. When you pray in the Spirit, the Spirit cannot pray through you that which is out of the will of God.
@@ReLair88 that is why when I pray I always say to God, in your will only.
_But that is not speaking in tongues_
Of course it is - tongues is just an archaic word for languages
@@kavikv.d.hexenholtz3474 Thank you for that. And as far as me saying "In your will be done" to God when I pray, I was replying to the first reply to my comment where it was indicated that to pray by speaking in tongues that I would be in compliance with God's spirit because I had no control over what I said, like maybe I would say something out of God's will if I spoke or prayed in my natural born language. God Bless you.
Feel the same way as mentioned above I also focus on the praying in the spirit aspect when I give it time
What gets me every time is that someone trying to teach tongues, whereby no where in the bible stated that kind of practices
I see this all the time and it's not biblacal . Usually you can yeild to Holy Spirit or have people lay hnds on you and pray for you to be Baptized in the Holy Spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues but I don't believe you can be taught to speak in tongues .The same Holy Spirit you received at salvation is indwelling you with the supernatural gifts Jesus picked out for your ministry .
i think it would be nice if every church had classes telling people how to use tongues biblically, not a bunch at the same time in a general service for instance --exactly what Paul says not to do. These guys have a really good approach.
Todd Friels game show host sarcasm isn’t biblical
Lol true
He's more of a shock jock without the sound effects.
@@paulral Amen to demonstrate rather than debate!
@@paulralwhen he engages in apologetics, he’s actually fairly decent. But he seems to avoid topics out of his depth like other religions, but he’s good with dealing with Atheists.
@@TheNathanMaconly one problem, these guys aren’t atheists.
Great breakdown of this. Especially being unbias throughout your explanations. Thank you brothers ❤️
I guess the most direct question is just "why do you think that speaking in tongues is anything more than a situation like a German speaking English without ever having learned English?" Just saying that there is a personal private prayer language is kind of an argument from nothing. Like it could be an unknown chess players language... or anything you want.
And if the gift of tongues still exists, why do all of my Pentecostal and Charismatic friends learn other languages like cessationists do?
You nailed it. The gift of tongues that Paul approved speaking in public is an actual language that you never learned. A tongues interpreter is also a person who either by the gift of the Holy Spirit or by knowledge of the language itself can interpret a language to others.
GOD Bless! ❤️
People still learn languages because the gift isn't a guarantee to anyone who ever wants to know a language.
And in my case, I chose to start learning the language I picked precisely because it's challenging. I don't want God to take that from me, even though it would be nice to wake up, suddenly able to speak and understand fluently.
I appreciate the content as well as your spirit in how you respond. In the youth of my faith i was taught about the prayer language being available for everyone and it being separate from the corporate gift.
You have me wanting to go back and be a good Berean about this
1 Corinthians 14:2,4 make it crystal clear that there is tongues spoken that are unknown to anyone but God and that is supposed to be done in private or with an interpreter or quietly basically by yourself like mustache guy says at 12:10
Yes….yes….yes. Exactly
Already got our tickets! Can’t wait!
So good. God bless you guys!
Happy Birthday Josh!
Mine is tomorrow 🎉
I used to exchange emails with him as a charismatic. He was always very affirming of my status as a Christian and gracious and willing to try and understand my scriptural basis for present day tongues. He is opinionated but i I definitely was impressed by how he responded to my comments.
I received the gift of tongues unprompted when I was a young child. My grandma and dad where praying comfort over me about being bullied from an older kid. I felt fire come over my body, and I even saw an open vision of Jesus dancing in a green field with several children of different nations. It was a profound moment. I often wonder why I was baptized by fire, so young, right there in my grandmas living room.
The Bible says there are divers or diversities of tongues. Not just one type of tongues. One edifies the body and is equal to prophesy and then there is a prayer language or an unknown tongue that is equal to the Holy Spirit praying through you directly to God praying the perfect will of God. This happens sometimes when we don't know what to pray. It edifies the one praying in tongues.
Do you recall the Bible reference to where it says that about two different kinds of tongues?
@@Flutterby1388 there isnt a direct one. Its either a misunderstanding/assumption or someone has taught this. Its definitely not directly there.
@@Flutterby1388
Doesn't diverse imply more than one????
I'll give you one anyway..
If I speak in tongues of men and of angels..
1 Cor 13:1
@@peacemaker0032 "EVEN if Ii do something", doesnt mean I can actually do said thing. Even though I can run as fast as a car...doesnt mean I can. Its a comparison; Hyperbole even possibly. He (Paul) may actually speak in the tongues of angels...but where/when is he telling us to do this and more importantly HOW/WHY to do it? This is my issue with this.
Reading through the comments. Just a few thoughts. Now, I have not quite made up my mind about tongues and gifts. But it does not really matter. It's a gift it's going to happen if it's going to happen.
But to the people who are "talking with God" well, not saying it does not happen. Probably had an revelation/prophecy myself. It's still playing out so not sure.
But I've also had a few false religious experiences. Clearly from demonic spirits. Now what people tend to forget is that Satan often comes as an angel of light. And can be pretty convincing with it's messages, and satan can do miracles and give out gifts. So to discern them from Gods gift can be challenging. Specialy if someone tends to be a little bit self centered. Talking about experience here. Satan has been decieving people for 6000 years, so when that arrogant thought comes to your mind "nah, it's from God, I can tell" or "Yeah, I have conversations with God daily" no, you probably are not.
And for the "gibberish" tongues, it's stated that only 2 or 3 talk, one at a time when there's someone to interpret it. Not a full church babbling on top of each other. And it does sound pretty demonic/pagan when same phrases are repeated and repeated.
But just my two cents. Just be careful and don't let pride get to you.
Didn’t change my mind but opened it up! Thank you guys! God bless! I’m not yellinnnnggggggg!
The way the text reads is if you or someone else doesn't have interpretation, speak tongues for yourself...been Christian 38 years and like in Corinth, sometimes our flesh wants to show we speak in tongues for either group acceptance or ranking, or even boasting...that's why Paul addresses it..100% if regular Sunday service or other where non converts or people who doesn't understand the gift are present..I love speaking in tongues but in order and decency like Paul addresses..that's why we continualists can be seen as freaky, because frankly we can get Carried away with emotions and say we can't control ourselves...the spirit is subject to the prophet the Word says...the church gathering is a serious activity not a playground to do what " we feel"..again I believe the gifts are current, just that men like those apostles and the early church with that dedication to the lord and not distracted by world as we are now are hard to find.. I think that's why we "push" the anointing or fake it with loud music, lights, smoke machines, etc... none of that existed in early church.. they were the real deal no electronic help which is fake and emotion
Is there a way to connect to the conf via video for those who can’t make it? I wouldn’t mind paying the full registration cost to join remotely.
Usually videos like this, Christian’s are putting click bait type titles, and spend the whole time gossiping about other Christians. This is actually a pretty solid video. Good
Job guys.
Well done. Those who deny the gifts today should be humble and teachable enough to learn from those who do operate in the gifts appropriately.
Hello fellas, greetings from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
Thanks for the informative episode.
One question and a sub question tied to it.
Does Kenneth Copeland speak in tongues? If yes, Is his version from the Holy Spirit or from an other source?
Thanks guys and keep up the good work.
Andrew
I know this question wasn’t for me, but there are some good videos covering some of his teachings. I personally think based off his teachings on God dna, prosperity and his life style… at the least he is off the path of life, at the most he is a false teacher and a false prophet
Copeland is a false prophet and serious heretic on many issues so NO.
Kenneth Copeland does speak in tongues...
As to other than the Holy Spirit or another spirit I don't know.
@@peacemaker0032Copeland is a heretic, false prophet and teacher. You think he speaks in true “tongues?” Riiiiiiiight.
Have you ever noticed that Todd Friel never allows comments on any topic? I don't think he really wants dialogue on anything--it's his way or the highway
This isn’t true. Previously he didn’t but for a long time now comments are open, including the video they are replying to
Originally they turned comments off because the comment section was often full of quite nasty disagreement and was unpleasant for other Christians and a poor example of Christians to any unbelievers.
Comments were turned back on quite a while ago and so far so good, but tbh I don't see a problem with turning them off if they become a detriment. Ppl can still express their like or dislike of the videos.
@@jerryyoung6494 thanks for the correction. When I had previously seen his channel it was always blocked. I'm glad he's now accepting comments/ criticisms.
@11:00 you suggest that Paul exercises tongues in his prayer life, but in fact, all he is mentioning is outside the church gathering. I would suggest this is more likely among non-believers who speak different languages. This seems to be more consistent with the use of tongues in Acts. and fits better with the context of 1 Cor.
Paul speaking: For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I Cor 14:14-15
It's disheartening to read comments like this. Make a practice of reading scripture. Paul actually did speak in tongues and he thanked God that he did. And he goes on to give instruction for the use of tongues IN church.
@@ShamelesslyRed yeah, I agree
Can you reconcile your theory with 1 Cor 14:2?
@@gareth2736 I'm not sure to which of us you're asking
Every time the word "Standard" is used, a Reformed Baptist gets a cigar.
I’m not a proponent of Calvinist thinking. That said, it is true that you don’t speak Biblical tongues and by your own admission you’ve had prophecies you gave that didn’t come to pass. You need to accept that those gifts are not upon you both, publicly confess it, and then move forward in the light and love of Jesus Christ.
GOD Bless! ❤
I consider myself a conservative charismatic 😂 and I will say I love Todd his wisdom has helped me I love all my Calvinist and censatainst brothers and sisters were all one in Christ and I enjoy these friendly disagreements iron sharpens iron 🤙🏻🦾
Hey can you give me more on why Jude used "spirit's when he really meant "faith"? Are you saying that early manuscripts says "faith"? I don't get it.
Also and more importantly are there other places in Jude where he said the wrong thing?
I'm still skeptical of these tongues and interpretations and prophecies. Do you know a good resource demonstrating the accuracy of these prophecies?
This channel is a good resource. Also Jack Deere.
@@paulral thank you
Happy birthday!
Please provide the Biblical reference for “the spiritual gift” of interpretation as opposed to mere interpretation?
In the one case you studied or grew up with multiple languages and can interpret because you learned them in the natural. The spiritual gift is supernatural ability to interpret a language you haven't studied or learned as a child.
The only reason ppl no longer see miracles is bc they refuse to believe. Open your eyes the miracles abound
Whose getting raised from the dead? Whose missing arms or legs are growing back live on UA-cam? Oh. But people can call breaking a “ generational curse” or a fake delivery session a miracle. Where are all the TRUE miracles at?
99% of the time when someone sets up to proof tongues are not for today but in each case the focus on foreign language but they neglect that there are 3 kinds of tongues spoken of in the Bible.
1. You speak a foreign language you never learned such as we see in Acts 2.
2. Tongues in a public setting where you speak in heavenly language (or could be another langue on earth) and there is someone who brings an interpretation. (yes Todd I have seen this in multiple churches)
3. A personal prayer language which is the one Paul was referring to when he said he spoke in tongues more than all of you. I am so grateful for this since there are times I don't know how to pray so I pray in the spirit. There are times in church meetings where the leaders ask everyone to pray in the spirit so while this is a public setting no interpretation is needed but that is understood in that case, but if someone brings for a message in tongues to the body as part of our meeting then that must be interpreted.
I speak in tongues. Sometimes it sounds like Hebrew, African, Asian it’s always different.
Maybe one way to look at it is, the gift is called a gift of interpretation not gift of translation so one shouldn't expect a word for word interpretation.. I stand to be corrected 😁
I have a question what you guys think about this. I once received a tongue and I was trying to suppress it during a meeting. But the pull was too strong and I began to tear. As if something was really pushing me. So I actually asked if there was an interpreter. But the pastor just thought I would share and we would all close our eyes and listen and see if we get anything. But no one there actually came up and said I can interpret. Is that wrong? I think she was hoping maybe someone would get something. Mind you everyone there was a believer already and was a fairly small group.
If it's a small group of believers, you can burst in tongues
Tongues is the first sign that the curse of babel is lifted off of someone and interpretation is the gift of being able to hear the gospel message in other languages. Since confusion was the initial curse of babel. I listened to a greek orthodox worship service and could interpret it as the psalms being sung. The issue is it the cessationists say "i dont see it so they must have ceased!" The appropriate response to that is "then you arent sealed by the holy spirit yet."
I've always found Todd to hold mockery as a fruit of the spirit. He laughs and jeers at things that Christians are called to mourn over. ... ... ... ... ... God Bless You All In Truth and Repentance. - In Christ, Christina
Couple respectful questions, where do you find the carve outs in the rules put forth by Paul about needing an interpreter? Second question where do you find that interpretation is a gift? This is only needed as an addition if you make tongues more than a known earthly tongue.
1 Corinthians 12:8-11 lists it among the gifts the Holy Spirit gives. Hope this helps!
Interesting, rational, helpful discussion. The bottom line, I believe, is that we don't need to limit and quench the Holy Spirit working in our lives with that impotent cessationist doctrine. We need every bit of the power and every one of the gifts of the Spirit to combat the agents of the devil and the false messiah when they perform their signs, wonders, and miracles, just as the signs, wonders, and miracles performed by Moses and Elijah overcame those performed by the sorcerers and false prophets.
Happy birthday!!!
There are 2 types of tongues, one is for public and needs an interpreter and then my private prayer tongues.... clearly he's never had an encounter with the Holy Spirit!!! How sad.
“He believes the testimony of his people, just not ours”, this hits the nail on the head for so much intra-Protestant dialogue and debate; especially on this issue of the gifts and tongues. I know several Christians of the Reformed ilk who are deeply suspicious of Pentecostals and Charismatics and see lots of bad faith interpretations and arguments online.
I had thought that it was interesting that almost everyone I’ve heard that speaks in tongues says it’s for everyone but those who don’t speak in tongues says it’s not for everyone. And there are multiple occasions when those who don’t believe it’s for everyone have received it and then realize it is for everyone. So wouldn’t it be likely the one who have received it might know what they’re talking about? That may be poorly worded but i do find that very interesting
(My comment prior to watching the video):
This is one of the better arguments against the modern expression of the gift of tongues. This however is not a good argument for cessationism. Even if Pentecostals and Charismatics are wrong on this gift, the case that the Bible teaches the continuation of the spiritual gifts is far superior to cessationism. At best, this is only an argument about the nature of tongues, not the cessation of the spiritual gifts.
Any plans on coming to the Dallas area???
I have a problem with “I’m going to speak in tongues at this moment” 28:08
I don’t think that’s a spiritual action whatsoever, rather a natural plea.
28:06
I was really blessed by John Wimber’s teachings regarding spiritual gifts, favoring the situational view vs. the constituted view(GOD doesn’t vest A single spiritual gift in somebody. HE gives THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHO HAS ALL THE GIFTS. When the need arises and you know you need GOD’s help to bless, heal, etc., GOD gives the gift for the moment. 1 Corinthians 11-14 focuses on when THE BODY of CHRIST gathers, so to each one the manifestation(dancing hand in Latin, phanerosis in Greek) GOD decides what HE gives each person in a meeting-not everyone needs to do the same thing every time either. GOD is not limited to that. In my personal experience, in a setting outside of church, GOD gave gifts of healings, word of knowledge, and a word of wisdom. I didn’t have the tools, but GOD gave them to me to give to the person who GOD was trying to reach.
IN WHAT way can a church discern if the tounges is of the holy spirit and not another? Its risky for those who do not have strong discernment. Perhaps its why it should be within the context of a small group of trusted believers in a small group meeting of trusted brothers & sisters in Christ as oppose to in the corporate setting or mega church? ALSO is what Paul was saying Descriptive or Prescriptive?
I would really like an answer from the Podcast host on this.
I believe I speak in tongues, but if I do it is only ever been a single sentence long phrase. Whenever I speak, it is only that.
Your thoughts, legit tongues, or personal manifestation?
That's actually how it started for me. I just had one phrase and so I kept doing it and eventually it grew into a full language. Knowing it's for sure that gift though could only be evidentially confirmed by someone who understands the language or someone with the gift of interp. Anecdotally though when I do it I feel like my faith is increased.
Concerning the quote in (28:40) of the podcast, “the narcissist edifies self”: there are many scriptures that command us to edify ourselves. Why? As John Piper has declared, “God is most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in Him”. In other words, God commands us to glorify Him by edifying ourselves supremely in God.
I don't think I've ever heard tongues in a service without an interpretation. I don't go to a charismatic church, but I did for about a year when I was younger. My parents both spoke in tongues, and yet I never heard them do it. I suppose I'm fortunate that I've never heard the abuses that are infamous.
A couple of interesting anecdotes for those who doubt these gifts. First, my mother was saved as a teenager into an unbelieving household. She was praying and reading her bible one day when she spontaneously broke out into tongues. She said it was thrilling, but completely confusing because she had no idea what happened. She'd never heard of it. She was sharing with a girl in her high school who had also recently come to faith, and she said the same thing happened to her. Turns out it was a big move of the Spirit in that school and multiple students all received the gift simultaneously unknown to each other, and I don't think any of them had ever heard of tongues before. This is proof enough to me that it is an active gift.
Second, a good friend of mine who grew up Catholic became saved after she and her husband left the church. He was saved as a child (mostly in spite of and not because of the Catholic Church) and had some experiences with charismatics although he himself never received that gift. She took his word for it that it was still an active gift. But one day while visiting a church she was struck by a pause in the worship service where someone seemed to be singing praises to God in a beautiful voice with a song she'd never heard before. She said to her husband "That was just beautiful." He said "Did you understand that?" She was shocked that he didn't. Then an interpretation came and she realized that she heard the same thing. It wasn't exactly the same words she would have used to describe it, but it was absolutely faithful to the message.
So two stories of two people receiving these supposed dead gifts when they didn't know about them and were not seeking them.
There are over 7000 languages (tongues) spoken today. I have learned that when you receive this gift you don't learn the understanding of the language, you just allow your mouth to speak in the spirit and this other language comes out. I learned mine is Arabic when I tried many languages on a translation app. Then I met someone who is Arabic at a shwarma food truck and he said I mumbled a lot of Arabic words, I was very nervous so I didn't ask him to tell me what each word meant, but he said it was something like "Allah was calling him". He just stared at me and I left, I've been praying about going back to talk to him
So in tongues, a gift from the Holy Spirit, you told this man that a false god was calling him? That seems kind of odd to me, it would make more sense if you said Jesus was calling him
@@somethinggood9267Alah is the Arabic name for Lord. They are referring to the same God as Hebrews when they say Adonai.
@@michaelmiller5024no it’s not, The read word for God is ilaha. Read their shahada.
1 Corinthians 14:2 says we speak mysteries sometimes those mysteries are preparing your heart to be in the right condition.
I personally often pray in tongues when I know my mind or heart is tied up in self or something other than God or I am distracted from the things of God and it edifies me allows me to focus the things of the Lord. Often it allows me to go from not feeling connected to God to hear very accurate words of knowledge and prophetic words for people at church or others, often for people I have never had a conversation with or even aware of their existence (I go to a church of around 500 people) and there has not been one time where it hasn't drawn that person the word is for closer to the Lord.
Amen talking to God. Speaking mysteries, wow awesome 😅
You proved personal tongues is not a gift. Ministry tongues is a Gift
Mondays are for exploring and being open minded. Wednesdays are for rallying the troops. How about 3rd day for people who are sincerely seeking thoughtful answers about continuationism? A no pat answers and no straw men day. These MacArthur types are charicatures.
One of my biggest struggles in studying the Bible. Is this subject, one question I have for a lot of people is when you’re reading the Bible and you read in acts 2 and they describe speaking in tongues.
You also understand at that time there was language barriers between people. So when I read acts 2 I see that God gave people this miraculous ability to speak instantly in other peoples languages. That’s how I define speaking in tongues the miraculous ability to speak in another language. God did this for the purpose to spread the gospel. Because let me ask you a question. How could the gospel be spread to people that don’t speak the language . Have you ever tried ordering food from somebody that don’t even speak the language? Can you imagine trying to share the gospel with somebody that you don’t speak the language. So I see the purpose of that I just don’t understand why, or how people have turned, speaking in tongues, and that definition into their own definition i’m speaking in some sort of babel like language. Also, all the stuff you see the day you don’t see them following the rules. I see so many people in church even the pastor standing up on stage shouting out things that they call speaking in tongues that none of the church understand what they’re saying.
It certainly appears that the only time we see tongues taking place 'live' in the Bible was in Acts, and they were languages. I think the burden of proof to argue they don't have to be is on the continuationists. That being said, I do have a practical observation: the only time I personally ever see tongues happen is in churches where people already believe it and want to see it. It seems that if it were as legitimate and widespread as these good gentlemen say, it would take place everywhere, even in churches that don't practice it. I've heard the "Well, the Holy Spirit is a gentlemen..." argument but that is not sensible to me. God is Almighty and does everything according to the counsel of His will. As Luther said, I must be convinced by Scripture and common sense.
About tongues is for edification of the body
Scripture says that as I pray or speak in tongues I edify myself I am part of the body and I am being built up in the Spirit which edifies the whole body.
Thanks for the video. Can you have on Justin Peters, Doreen Virtue, and others to go through these positions with follow up Q&A?
Wouldn't they just say that tongues aren't for today?
There's already an open invitation. Justin Peters won't come on.
Justin Peters always runs away. Been running from Dr Michael Brown as well. I believe it's because he knows no Scripture preaches Cessationism.
Interpretation, not translation. Translation is word for word. Interpretation is the general meaning (with your general understanding of something).
Todd is a pretty good speaker. Probably the most charismatic cessationist I've heard.
Ive never heard of Todd Friel (Im from the UK) but I thought your responses to his points were excellent. I really dont know how he could reasonably rebut them unless he simply doesnt believe in the gifts at all for today.
Michael - you said you were given an interpretation of tongues re 'I walked on the sea but you'll cross oceans' . First of all what an amazing word. Secondly, when are you crossing the ocean to the UK or Ireland?
Man, I'm not sure! I'd love to come but thus far don't have any churches opening their doors. I will be crossing the pond to go to the Faroe Islands end of September early October.
@@michaelmiller5024 Faroe Islands? I had to look them up on google maps! Didnt even realise they were there lol. Is that for a conference or personal? Maybe one day you and the others will have a conference in the UK or Ireland...
@@PC-vg8vn I'll be traveling the islands speaking at various churches and then we'll do a conference at the end of that time.
@@michaelmiller5024 ok well I hope it goes well, im sure it will.
But didn’t remnant podcast do a several part series exonerating the Toronto blessing and Kc prophets who experienced crazy tongues, growling, falling, shaking, and more?
Did I miss the part where you answered Todd’s question about other religions speaking in tongues? I’ll probably need to relisten because that’s a question of mine as well
It's around the 31 minute mark.
@@stephaniebell5091 thank you
WITHIN the church, how would we know the difference between accurate Prophecy given by God vs. Divination??
The idea here that many times is missed. Is unity in the body. Amen is me agreeing with what is spoken. How can one Amen to a language they do not understand? Without the interpretation of The tongue spoken many will have no idea what of spoken. If what was spoken was from God or some other spirit.
I spoke in tongues for 30 yrs. What Paul is saying is that the spirit speaks and we don’t understand it because the spirit is speaking in an unknown language to him. The real tongues is still out there. When someone speaks to someone by the Spirit in that persons native language. It’s not gibberish . I figured out on my own the errors of the charismatic churches. It’s crystal clear what Paul is saying if you take out what you want him to be saying.
Sometimes it does sound more like one language than another. Maybe it's the Spirit using you to pray for someone in a different country.
@@sethtrey Maybe? i dont think God works by logic of doubt. Why not instead speak intelligible words? The maybe you speak of is gibberish that means nothing and unverifiable. God never has a problem speaking yet in the Pentecostal movement apparently he does.
@@jake3510001. “ God doesn’t work out of logic of doubt “
tell that to the committed and consistent Calvinist.
@@markshaneh God is not irrational nor illogical. We are required to be in order not disorderly gibberish nonsense.
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Pharasees..most logical ppl ever!?!
Jesus came to destroy their work.
I heard it preached by multiple preacher that the evidence of the baptism of the holy spirit is speaking I Tongues. My question. Is it possible to recieve the holy spirit without receiving the gift of tongues?
I also think that leaders need to be gentle with young believers who are starting out in tongues or interpretation. When I was 12 the Holy Spirit unctioned me to stand up and give a tongues and I back out because a minister was preaching and I got scared. I felt the Spirit was grieved and I then asked God to give the feeling again and I'll obey and the Holy Spirit said no this time just be obedient without the my unction. I did not know this Minister and as soon as I stood to obey the power of His Spirit came back on me and the minister stopped and when I was done the minister spoke and said "God is pleased that a young man is willing to obey Him rather than being intimidated by a minister he does not know". I was so humbled. That was the interpretation because it tied in with his message that God may ask us to do things that can be uncomfortable.
I don’t think I have ever heard such a degree of ignorance regarding tongues from anyone that Friel demonstrates here. He doesn’t even understand that there is a difference between “speaking in tongues” for personal edification and the “gift of tongues” used with interpretation for the edification of the body. I won’t even waste my time commenting on the rest of this gibberish!
With regards to interpretation, the word is Interpretation, NOT direct Translation. Also, Corinthians speaks of tongues of men and tongues of angels.
Here's what's happening, imo: we want to pray, but don't know what to pray for. We want to say more than "your will be done", God wants us to command His will over the world, to ask Him for things, but what? So we ask God to speak through us. But if we can understand what we are saying, are we not most likely to grasp onto that and begin praying for what we think we should pray for? Easiest solution is to have the Spirit use words we don't know. "for the edification of the body" doesn't only mean "for their understanding". Is private prayer for the body not "edifying to the body" because nobody else hears it?
I grew up in a UPC church And is exactly correct!
Every time I hear something that catches my attention: I say charismatics? What are they doing or saying now 😂
Just out of interest I have recently done an experiment on whether ChatGPT can interpret an excerpt in tongues. The video report is on my channel. Please tell me what you think.
@@paulral something like that.
It wasn’t after Jeremiah bought the field that he knew it was the Lord, it was after his cousin came and asked him to buy the field. Because the Word of the Lord told him his cousin would come ask him to buy the field.
I am not sure (listening @29:07') quoting Jude saying to edify self by praying in the spirit is speaking in tongues.
This is why I think this.
Not every believer speaks in tongues. Does that mean not all believers can pray in the spirit to edify themselves (or be edified without speaking in tongues), just tongue speaking believers?.
God is no respecter of persons, and I don't think shows favoritism to tongue speaking believer vs. non tongue speaking believers.
The same goes for the Romans scripture indicating the Spirit groans that cannot be "uttered" means speaking in tongues. That is reading the tongues doctrine into scripture to mean "speaking in tongues", even though it says no utterance (words).
Does God not want to edify the non-tongue speaking believer as much as the tongue speaking believer? I get the sense that this boils down to the have and have not, mine is better than yours type theology.
I don't understand, Paul teaches that God gave gifts so that there be no division (1 Cor 12:24), except it appears God favors tongues speaking as a method to edify a believer while non tongue speaking is left to fend for themselves and cannot be edified by the Holy Spirit?
He lost me already at "exctatic".
Also, as a Pentecostal, tongues need not be taught. I am firmly against asking someone to repeat a word or whatever "formula" some use.
I have no idea (yet) what he says going forward on thus aspect; all I know is: my grandparents read about tongues in the Bible, for merely asking their pastor about them were excommunicated from the Baptist church they were members of; went home, prayed according to what they had learned together with another couple that had suffered the same "fate" at the hands of the samepastor for the same curiosity, and were baptized by the Spirit.
Years later they found out they were not the only people believing as they did, and that such a thing as Pentecostalism exists. The first Pentecostal church in the entire area opened later in their home.
Receny found your show and I am so content to see you combatting the Charismatic excesses. Found your channel searching for the "Courts of Heaven" affair. God bless you.
1. YES - I’ve seen interpreters in service regularly
2. YES - when I pray in tongues, the Lord brings to mind prayers. But when I pray in the Spirit, I also sense emotions from the Lord that aren’t mine. It’s not “weird” feeling, but I submit to it. The Lord always gives me an option to not pray in the Spirit, it’s typically not compulsory.
3. No idea why other religions might pray in tongues that sound similar, but I’ve heard demonic tongues and unless the Lord reveals to you that it’s demonic, it can be challenging for believers to discern using human knowledge only. Example: Kundalini can sound like tongues but it’s lots of hissing.
4/5 - yes, tongues is a gift, but many gifts require training to use them more adequately. Those who have a gift of teaching, do they not still apprentice themselves to a teacher for further guidance? Also, those who have seen tongues given know that it often has to be REQUESTED. It’s often prayed over someone to receive, as are the other 1 Cor 12 gifts.
6. Tongues and other spiritual gifts were assumed in early church history, as is evidenced by frequent documentation of healing, words of wisdom, etc. there has been a revival of spiritual gifts since the 1st Great Awakening, but one should not lean purely on orthodoxy to determine validity of a practice 🤷🏽♀️
Has Friel ever actually seen tongues used in practice? I’ve seen people use tongues to witness to others in foreign languages or the languages of angels.
Every believer can speak in tongues and prophecy. The Gift of tongues is for ministry, just like all the Gifts are
Wrong brother 1 corinthians 12 : 28-30 is clear not all speak in tongues and not all interpret other translations say do all speak in tongues certainly not!!
@@moisesgomez1601 exactly. And the context is very clear: all of those examples in that Scripture are obviously MINISTRY gifts for other people (in a church service). However, ALL may prophesy and all my speak in tongues privately. That is why the Gift is called DIVERSE KINDS OF TONGUES. There are a few different kinds of tongues in the Scriptures. A private tongue, a tongue as a Sign, and a ministry tongue with the gift of interpretation.
gift of tongues makes me relaxed ans I feel peace and if iam super anxious I will just speak in tongues and make me sleep...
Lots to think about. . . Acts two we are in Jerusalem, an international city where it was common to speak and or understand a variety of languages. Koine Greek was the most common languages in the Middle East, just about everyone had at least some understanding of it. During the event the city was filled with people from everywhere. The disciples received the gift of the Holy Spirit and began to praise God. People outside “heard” them in their own language, yet there were some who thought they were drunk.
Ask your self why would anyone think someone was drunk when speaking their native tongue-they wouldn’t! I was an iInternational Studies student and traveled a good bit, I don’t for a minute think because I am hearing a foreign language that the person must be drunk. So what is happening here that would make a person think such a thing?
Possibly because the glossia that we use sounds odd, and indeed it does.
One last thing to think about,
What language did Adam an Eve speak in? What happened at the tower of Babble? What language does ever language spoken today come from-The Tower of Babble. Is glossia tongues a universal language of God for not only enrichment for one another that regular language can’t express, but perhaps man’s original language in Eden. . .
Ken Fish has interpreted tongues. I’d love to hear Kens take on Todd’s stance.
6:06 or it could all be the same spirit from God, but he doesn’t wanna throw that notion around
There are so many things I could say here about Todd's arguments.
Does he read the bible and completely ignore the book of Acts and 1 Corinthians?
Does he think he knows more than the apostle Paul who was inspired by God to write about spiritual gifts?
Paul's teaching on the gifts starts with him saying that he does not want the church to be ignorant about the gifts, yet Todd seems willingly ignorant.
He doesn't believe that speaking in tongues edifies the speaker so he's arguing directly with Gods word. "He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself"
He suggests that tongue speaking could be from a spirit of false religion so he completely ignores 1 Corinthians 12:3 -
"Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit."
There is so much more I could say about this. It's hard to comprehend that someone who portrays himself to be knowledgeable could be so ignorant, he makes himself look foolish.
It doesn't seem like he wants answers but just wants to express his own opinion.
Notice how Todd mentioned interpreting "Consistently." It's like saying Jesus will return in a cloud (which we,Christians believe) but which one is it, cumulus or cirrus?
29:46 very good discussion and response
Q If a person can be given the gift of tongues and freely open their mouth to speak it at their leisure, assuming they follow the rules...
Then how is it too much to ask that the next person given the gift of interpretation can not have the same freedom to interpreting tongues literally as they fall upon their ears?
I'm not shut off to tongues but I do find an unfathomable lack of interpretation accompanying its use both public and private. And pardon my scepticism but I'm not sure I trust someone to simply spiritually discern the meaning from thin air into English. Especially when there is so much "God told me..." abounding in our churches.
I think the gift of interpretation of tongues is both one of the least witnessed today and also most important because it would seem to validate another gift, and one that is sooooooooooo easy for anyone to simply fake or even be deceived into faking.
That's assumes that interp works the same way as tongues. Scripturally we have nothing to explain in one direction or the OT her. Anecdotally though everyone I've seen with a gift of interp do not always get an interp or do not always understand all that is spoken. They only have a choice to listen and to share what they got. Make sense?
I agree though that it is incredibly neglected and seldom valued.
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Thanks for the reply. I understand what you said about sometimes getting an interpretation and sometimes not. I've seen a similar thing. However I feel the importance of the following question applies here.
If the Bible is asking us to not give a tongue in public if it isn't interpreted and if God does not ask us to have blind faith, then to obey the Bible in this instance means you cannot give a public tongue unless you have Confidence it Will be interpreted.
Obviously that trust will be built over time by successive instances however the interpreter needs to have a high level of access to this gift or many interpreters with regular access perhaps. My point being you cannot just blurt something out and 'see how it goes.' But to still use the first gift of speech publically there must be the knowledge of a partner gift in someone else that will be activated.
Thankyou for taking the time if you do follow this up.
@@edwardlittle6544 yes! I completely agree. I'd say that should be the standard with all gifts in a Sunday service. There needs to be a track record of maturity and accuracy.
When Israel was first established in the land, they experienced a lot of victory. They had King David and King Solomon during what you could call the Golden Age for Israel, and after that, things got bad and never fully recovered. Now look at the church. The Apostolic Age was kind of like a Golden Age as well. Things have not exactly been smooth sailing since that time. I think it isn't surprising that there has generally been a lack of supernatural gifts over the centuries. I believe it is a massive mistake to assume that the lack of widespread use of the gifts over the centuries means that they have ceased. It's more likely that churches have simply failed to live up to example set before them by the Apostles in their time. Not unlike Israel during its time...
The Ephesus era was not the golden age. Despite the fact that Christ personally started it and the apostles followed His lead, this era still fell away into apostasy(Matt. 24:12, Rev. 2:4-5, 2 Thess. 2:7-10, etc.). Your judging it by all the wrong metrics. In terms of how much revelation was given and how much work the era did, the true golden age was the Philadelphia era.