Responding to Revealing Truth: Why Teaching to Prophecy, Healing, & Speaking in Tongues Is Biblical
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- Responding to Revealing Truth: Why Teaching to Prophecy, Healing, & Speaking in Tongues Is Biblical
Can you train people in the gifts of the Spirit? Well, our friend Sean from the "revealing truth" youtube channel does not think you can. He made a video responding to our training at the pursuit conference where we discussed the gifts of the Spirit with Sam Storms, Matt Chandler, Jack Deere, and Jeff Wells. In this video, we will be giving a response to Sean's claims that we can't teach the gifts of the Spirit. Should be an interesting episode.
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I think we should start by identifying who is equipped with which gifts, and then train people in their actual gifts.
To be a pain in the butt: Imply and infer, two great words but often misused. Infer is to take a hint, imply is to give a hint. You infer from and imply to. Example: My hostess looked at the clock, so I Inferred it was time to go home. The teacher implied that many would flunk the final by saying, "this test will be the hardest you will take in my class." From the teacher's remarks, I inferred I would have to really study.
Good video. One of the things I think that was overlooked in this discussion when it comes to “false teachers/prophets” is the emphasis of the heart of the one teaching and prophesying. James 3 lays this out perfectly and it really does link up to the context of 1 Corinthians 14. 1 Corinthians 12, 13 and 14 layout so much of how the gifting should be exercised. 1 Corinthians 12 speaks about Christ centeredness, 1 Corinthians 13 speaks about sacrificial love, and 1 Corinthians 14 speaks about for the edification of the church. I think this is why individuals (admittedly myself) can get worked up because maybe we can quickly assume the heart is out of place when people are using the gifts improperly. Their fruits include their doctrine. 1 Timothy 4:16 expresses the significance of this, not just for the one who will be judged more strictly (teacher) as said in James 3:1, but also those who will be led astray. I did enjoy how you deciphered that “training” does not mean “one will acquire”. Alignment with God’s word when it comes to prophecy is not just the literal words, but also how it is exercised and practiced…and “practice” itself welcome that “space” for not being spot on. We know in part so we prophesy in part (1 Corinthians 13:9). Bask in the wonder of God as His children, and workout out salvation together with fear and trembling. Edifying stuff brothers - Pastor Josh
Perhaps what is missing in the conversation is an acknowledgement that many in the charismatic movement teach that gifts can be acquired through teaching. They do teach all should/can speak in tongues and prophecy. Therefore we just need to "step out in faith" and essentially prime the pump for the Spirit to move in power.
Also, it is easily observable in streams like Bethel that prophecy is redefined to be encouraging words. Bill Johnson taught that they should imagine what Jesus would say to encourage someone, this is prophecy. They use the verse that Roundtree used to justify their belief that all should prophecy. When Moses said that he wishes that all would prophecy, it doesn't imply that all will prophecy.
1 Cor 14:3 literally says that one of the purposes of prophecy is encouragement, so it’s not a redefinition, it’s just the definition. I’m no Bethel apologist, but I have close friends who have gone to the school who have done what you’re saying and actually prayed it over me. They absolutely do not simply “imagine” what God would say, rather they pray and ask God. Is there anything wrong with asking God “Lord, what would you have me say to this person to encourage, strengthen, or comfort them?”
I observed that they actually did acknowledge that some churches do teach those incorrect things. They made a distinction between what those churches do and what was taught at the specific conference that Shawn criticized. But this episode is not about those churches. It is about the criticism of one specific conference so they did not dwell on those other incorrect practices.
I think if you watch our other content you will see we address a lot of your concerns. The point of this episode was specifically to address the criticisms made against what we, Sam Storms, and Jack Deere have taught.
I love it...."you gotta verse?" You guys are so fun to watch as well
Thank you so much for this. His arguments sound pretty much like my arguments, so I hope he does come on the show to clear things up and create a direct dialogue, so both positions get clearly understood. I want to be aligned with the truth, even if that means realizing I am wrong.
Well... we've invited him publicly and privately.
My name is Shawn but people have been calling me Chris for years; total strangers and people who've known me for years. True story.
Haha that's hilarious..
You all are teaching with order and according to the word of God I think Sean is talking about the many churches that take these teachings out of context which is absolutely not what you all do I pray God will reveal this to him!! Because the gifts of Holy Spirit are so crucial to walk with Jesus and lead others to his Beautiful life he's given us!!! I was missing the Holy Spirit for years going to church and I had no fruit and no power to overcome a drug addiction!! God delivered me and my life is forever changed and your teachings help me to understand all this I'm so thankful God has used you!! I love the loving way y'all discuss this it's a Beautiful posture of your hearts!!
Excellent stuff guys! Done with respect and clarity but not pulling any punches! Hope Shawn comes on the show.
I disagree that the prophets missed it when they were discouraging Paul from going to Jerusalem. It seems clear that the Spirit spoke to them about the things that would happen there. The things they heard from the Spirit were accurate. But in their humanity/flesh, the assumption and desire was that Paul should not go and suffer. Paul's response in Acts 21:13-14 makes this pretty clear.
That is where they missed it. They had a true word, but they missed the interpretation and application of the revelation when they passed the word onto Paul.
@@jackcoultas7869 it depends on how you think the conversation went. Was it that they heard from the Spirit and told Paul, "The Spirit said not to go to Jerusalem." Or, "We heard from the Spirit that you would suffer in Jerusalem so you shouldn't go. It would be harmful to you." Based on his response in the verses I mentioned, I think it's the latter. There was an assumption that Paul should avoid suffering. They weren't lying/misleading prophets. They were sympathetic believers who were concerned for his well-being.
@@NigelU “we heard from the spirit that you would suffer in Jerusalem so you shouldn’t go. It would be harmful for you.” I agree that’s probably how it went. Which would be wrong. They are taking a true revelation, interpreting it through there concern for Paul and thus telling him to not go. When what they should of done was just give him the revelation about the suffering without including how they thought he should respond. The passage says, “Through the spirit they were telling him not to go to Jerusalem.” Thus they were misrepresenting the revelation they had received by mixing their personal feeling into it, and presenting it as from the Spirit. Which, to be frank is understandable. Yet Paul knew better than to listen to them.
@@jackcoultas7869 I may be repeating myself but there's a differentiation between the word of the Lord and the response of the people. The Spirit said that he would suffer and be imprisoned. The people didn't want Paul to suffer while Paul was willing to suffer. They took the Word but responded to the Word differently. Similarly to when Paul was converted and the Lord showed Paul how much he would suffer on His behalf. It wasn't to stop Paul from serving but to prepare him for service. Paul was prepared for something the other believers were not. So they heard the Spirit and prophecied correctly. But their sympathetic response to the prophecy isn't the measure of a false prophet.
Besides, they didn't say that Paul would not step foot in Jerusalem. Only that he should not. If one is to take your interpretation of this passage, it would still not make the prophets wrong, only that Paul was disobedient to their prophecy. Again, I don't see it this way but it seems the fault would be with Paul in this case.
I agree, the human reaction of a Prophet to the word he has received doesn't make the Prophecy wrong.
We have several examples in the old testament of Prophets reacting to word given to them by God and it's never described as them missing something or failing at their mission. Prophets are humans too, they are allowed to have feelings and like or dislike the content of a given word.
Love this. Y’all articulated your positions well and in a Christlike manner. The evidence you presented was solid and y’all are certainly entertaining to watch.
Also, did Sean remove his video or is it not up yet? I wanted to watch his but it doesn’t appear to be on his channel.
21:30 the difference in how to receive the gift and how to operate in it more effectively. We are teaching how to operate in it more effectively.
Thank you for clearing that up. I was actually wondering about it myself.
Very insightful and full of grace. Good job.
Any word from the Chris Reed camp? I'm praying he'll respond to your invite to be in the show.
What do you guys think about the fact that Romans 12 uses language of “grace gifts” and 1 Corinthians 12 uses the language of “manifestation?” I notice that Sam Storms equated these two things. Are they the same or different?
Thank you for delving into this subject. It would have been easier to have Sean present, to clarify what he meant and for you to clarify directly to Sean what Sam and Jack meant. It seemed like you were arguing about different things regarding teaching the gifts and what that actually means or entails. Clarification is needed on both sides. Thank you for your hard work on this video!
This was good. I use to go to a church that will train people in prophecy. They would call it activations and impartations. I personally agree with training in spiritual gifts the way you guys addressed it in this video. One of my concerns with the church I use to go to was that they would lay hands on people and pray and after they expected them to now move in this gift. They would also do the same with evangelism classes, they will pray at the end and pray/impart evangelism gift. What are your thoughts on this? Thanks
Miller, your comments toward the end reminded me of some of the things we talked about. I’ve had a lot of those talking past people conversations, I’ve been on both sides of that. It’s hard, and I think we tend to start seeing ghosts of the arguments we really dislike in similar arguments. Seems like hyper vigilance, I think.
Does someone have a link to a video where RR thoroughly addresses the scripture that says someone who gives an inaccurate prophecy should be put to death? I can see where people are coming from when they bring up this scripture and I would like to understand the context better.
Are the gifts listed in Rom. 12 in the same category as the gifts of the Holy Spirit listed in 1 Cor. 12. Doesn't 1Cor 12:4-6 make a distinction in the gifts given by each member of the trinity?
Although I don’t agree with Shawn on most of these points, I’m happy that his criticism attempts to focus on scripture and not focused on mocking or creating sensationalism. It was actually refreshing compared with other channels who mock. Shawn’s approach makes a constructive dialogue and edification of the body more likely even though we might not agree with him.
Can anyone point me to a school or institute? I haven’t been to a Christian one and I am wanting to dive deeper in knowledge of the word. I live in Rockwall Texas or if there is an online one 🙏
We are actually about to release an e-course. Hang tight and reach out in a couple of weeks.
I would watch SO MANY more of your videos if they weren’t so long. I wonder if y’all will ever chop up some of this amazing content into smaller bite size videos.
Why don't you just pause the video and come back later?
Is it possible to get those Pursuit conference videos? Is it a course to buy or is it on UA-cam? Thanks! Great job on this video, loved the replies you all did. We need more of these kinds of videos where we can have a decent conversation and not be one-sided.
We are filled with the Holy Spirit and that's how we teach through the word of God (written by Men of God) Revelation from God and experience from serving God. Praise God for all the men gone before us to teach us!! Glory to God for filling us with Holy Spirit to learn and understand the will of God! Thank you Brothers for teaching us all!! God Bless you and we pray Sean will receive the gifts of the spirit on mission so he will believe in Jesus Name!!
Great show guys!
I appreciate you guys 🙂
yall were out here in The Woodlands!! man I missed yall
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Great episode… Really enjoyed it.
God gives the gift. God decide who he wants to use you can’t teach gifts. This is why it’s so many whacky things going on
Did you watch the whole video?
Luke 1 : 41-42 41When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42In a loud voice she exclaimed, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
"Dreams being one of the normative ways in which you would expect to hear God..."
How can I reconcile thia statemwnt as well as others regarding prophecy etc (being normative or a marker of a spirit filled church) with Heb 1:1-2?
Not trying to attack or undermine, it's an honest question.
Dreams and Prophecy do not in any remove Christ from being the focus. Christ is the Word.
Acts 23:11
The following night the Lord stood by him and said, “Take courage, for as you have testified to the facts about me in Jerusalem, so you must testify also in Rome.”
This is Jesus appearing to Paul, via a dream/vision.
As the angel pointed out in Rev. 19:10
"The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy".
God has spoken through Christ (Heb 1) but He still used a trance to speak to Peter (Acts 10).
They're all means by which God reveals His thoughts to His Children (by the Spirit who searches the deep things of God - 1 Cor. 2)
Hasn't stopped, won't stop; until we see Him face-to-face.
Acts 2:17 Peter says that we will dream dreams and see visions doesn't say how often but says we will.
So guys, when you talk about training in the gifts of the spirit, would you distinguish yourself from the way Bethel teaches on this at their school of Supernatural ministry?
None of us have gone to Bethel so I don’t know how well we could answer this but based on Elijah Steven’s attending one of our conferences on the gifts it doesn’t sound like it is all that different. There may be stuff we wouldn’t teach but I honestly don’t know.
May I suggest Praying Medic’s book: Divine Healing Made Simple.
Wonderful read on how to heal the sick
Concerning the hands-on training of "Workings of Miracles" and "Gifts of Healing", that you cited at 15:03 . Do you take your students into hospital rooms where amputees or quadriplegics are suffering and train your students on how to operate the "Gifts of Healing"? Do you train, after teaching, as you implied? Paul and Peter didn't go into hospital rooms per se, but when they were on their way they performed "Gifts of Healing" in Jesus' name, as they were led by the Holy Spirit as the Holy Spirit wills. *1 Cor 12:9-10* . And those that were with Paul and Peter were eyewitnesses to what the Holy Spirit was doing through those Apostles. Do you do the same teaching and training with your students? I didn't watch this entire video; can you time-stamp for me the real life training part? And how you instruct your students further after unsuccessful trips to hospital rooms either as visitors or patients? Thanks.
How ate you guys not a bigger channel? This is one of the best theology channels on UA-cam.
I think that you are making a straw man argument here. Sean I not saying that you cannot teach on the gifts, but that you cannot teach the gifts. Ie you cannot by teaching someone, impart gifts of the Holy Spirit. Someone is set apart by the Holy Spirit as a Evangelist, but then he can improve in these areas by honing them, through instruction. But you cannot impart the gift of Evangelism by teaching them. Someone can do Evangelism without being an Evangelist.
That’s literally what they say in the video. They are not making a straw man argument, they are responding to one (Sean)
Exactly Olanma, just because Christians teach about the gift of Evangelism or Prophesy or any of the gifts for that matter does not mean the born-again believer is someone how imparted with the gift through the teaching. Only the Holy Spirit imparts gifts to a believer at conversion through repentance and faith and being born-again. Also a believer can be imparting with gifts through prayer, a believer can ask for an impartation of a gift at anytime meaning if a believer is evangelizing to someone and they need a word of knowledge the Holy Spirit has free reign to delegate an impartation temporarily for a one time incident if God deems it necessary for whatever particular situation. Also I believe the Holy Spirit can impart gifts at the Baptism of the Holy Spirit which is a subsequent 2nd filling of the Spirit post-regeneration. Also a believer can simply ask for a gift or different ones if they so desire, of course ultimately though the impartation is up to God in this case. But never can someone receive an impartation simply by a preacher or teacher explaining and teaching about any particular gift. Hopefully Sean can see and understand his error and repent from it and make things right with his brethren at Remnant. Also are you Yoruba Nigerian by chance?
1:09:00 very good point
Gotta be honest, I have been in many services in west coast and rocky mountain west charismatic churches that have had famous guest speakers that "teach the gifts" in the ways that Shawn is referencing and that you are speaking against.
You all seem to forget that most of the true Christian world has historically met under ground or in small houses. Bible schools and Bible College was non-exsistent, and thus no classes to teach what you were discussing. You learned as you were led by the Holy S. and as the elders were led. Thanks
That's right. And no money was given for training materials because the Holy Scriptures were/are Free - additional teaching and training docs weren't needed. God Bless...
Seems to me the idea that the gifts can't be trained is what's responsible for all the error concerning gifts in the modern church. This really helped hone my thinking about the breadth and depth of discipleship.
@ just before ten here i stop your guest in the video is right.... case closed, this first guy has got teaching a disciple how to walk by faith is not teaching them how to use the gifts
when JESUS had the two fishies and five loaves he gave thanks for the supply....the miracle was done at end of his prayer not as they were dishing it out...MERCI FRANCEE
p.s my 1.5 cents worth
p.s.s. can't go on passed 9:56------ am i a troll?
17:09 person healed over phone
18:01 hits on evangelism outreach
36:30 Owen cited
Brothers, your arguments are confusing,.
Totally with Shawn here. Teaching about healing is different from teaching how to heal.
In the later, the focus is on man. Healing, just like all other gifts is a gift from God.
So you are with Shawn because you find our arguments confusing...? so you drew a conclusion based on content you didn't understand...?
Can you give a timestamp of a confusing argument and what exactly you are confused about? That may make for a more profitable exchange than just telling them they are confusing and therefor Shawn should be sided with.
In the video, they explicitly say that God is ultimately the one who heals and that we cannot through our methodologies coerce God into healing on demand.
The gift of healing is not a gift that one receives from GOD to distribute to who he wills like candy .
A gift is something given to you .
You spread the gift by being a witness for GOD of what Gift HE has given you.
James 5:14 (KJV)
Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
James 5:15 (KJV)
And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Why would it not say
Bring him before the healer .
If GOD heals who you pray for does not mean you have special powers .
Pride , self glory can enter so easy.
You should thank GOD for hearing you .
We miss and love ya Stevie B! 😂☺️
This isnt right dont accept this..
He cherry picks a lot, although he has many good points. He's not a calvinist either, but maybe he can work on his approach. Many internet ministries are only about 50% right...from J. Peters, MacAuthur, TBN, and the weird guy Marcus Lamb.
Marcus Lamb died from Covid early on and quickly. At that time he had an undisclosed history of diabetes, according to his surviving wife. Marcus Lamb used his "Daystar Television" platform (that he founded) to discourage Covid vaccinations. And true to his belief that vaccinations were bad- he didn't take any. His plan was to survive Covid with chronic diabetes, which is something most doctors had not advised. Over 1 million U.S. citizens died of Covid, either directly or indirectly. Marcus was one of them.
@@aquafishes Very true.
I did not have to study prophecy at BSSM to see this video coming.. seven months ago, you promised the Chris Rosebrough response video was just one time, not your style, and yet here we are again. Gentlemen, you can always produce clever content to please the crowd, but God does not call us to cleverness. I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. (2 Timothy 4:1-2)
You misunderstood. We were saying we would not do more than one response to Chris.
We never said we would never respond to anyone.
Another way to say "misrepresents" is "bears false witness".
Not quite. Misrepresenting can be unintentional, a false testimony on the other hand is something you do on purpose.
@@alexmarysaint2523 I think this is one of those cases with intentionality. The degree of intentionality is debatable though. If we simply say we were ignorant of the truth when making whole UA-cam videos "revealing" truth, then I think that is an insufficient justification for spreading falsehood. But, that is only my opinion. I may need to assume the best in this case.
I've watched hours and hours of your teaching on gifts generally, and prophecy specifically. I have yet to hear how it is that Deu 18 no longer applies - 17 The LORD said to me: “What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. 19 I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name. 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.”
21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed.
The New International Version (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2011), Dt 18:17-22.
How can you teach a GIFT?
Did you watch the video before making this comment?
Let’s say you receive a gift for Christmas. That gift is a guitar. Let’s say you never played before. Would it be logical to assume that on your first go at playing guitar that you would be able to play like a professional? Unless you’re a prodigy the answer is No. If you wanted to be proficient you would need to practice and take training lessons correct?
@@nickonoma On the day of Pentecost, did the 120 in the upper room have a chance to practice speaking in tongues or did they just start speak in languages that they had never learned?
@@gman1550 next question! Did they have to be taught in the Corinthian church to not do it without an interpreter in a church meeting?
@@michaelmiller5024 So you’re saying they didn’t have to be taught how to speak in tongues, but they did have to be taught how to properly use the supernatural gifts? Makes sense. I agree.
Salvation is a gift how do you teach salvation lol
Faith comes by hearing.
@@aronburrell3792 exactly
Yes, God still speaks through dreams. I’m a living proof it
Yes Princess M our testimony of experience can be genuine proof that God still "speaks" to His people today. However I admonish you that its important as Charismatics that we not only consider our life's on experience's in being in relationship with Jesus, but also the living testimony of Scripture and a sound theology which can be our greatest advocate in proving our position. So for me God can speak to us through dreams because He is a relational God and even simply because He loves His Children its merely an outpouring of His shepherding care and love, which can give us incite into the Spirit as dreams from God often can do that! God Bless!
No wonder, many cessationist sets aside the Holy Spirit’s work in the corner by believing the Father, the Son, and the “Holy Bible.” This is truly unfortunate. Dr Walter Martin explained to this effect that they are limiting the omnipotent God to speak when they explain their cessationist theology in this way.
i would say the i like the subject matter of yall podcasts but the term trinity no jewish person of the 1st century never knew of such a thing it is a catholic invention the false teaching started floating around the 2nd century then roman catholicism adopted it into there false teachings no apostle or any of the first century church taught it but the scripture is plain when it says collosians 2:9 for in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead because God is a spirit the only person or image of God is Jesus Christ we will ever seefor he is both God and the Lamb John saw him alone sitting on the throne
God having tri-personage is described in the Bible . Jesus was praying to a full person in Heaven (the Father) of course. To think that Jesus cried out tears/prayed to a non literal person , is a wild position.
Watch “the two powers in heaven” by Michael heiser to see that the trinity was right through the OT and known by Jews
I think you are talking at crossed purposes.
That's why doctrine was teaching and demonstration in the NT. If I were to study a baseball rule book and never actually swing a bat, wear a glove or throw a ball, it's just theoretical.
You don't have to be a cessationist to understand that charismatics generally don't understand that prophecy, as in predicting the future, rarely happens in the modern world. Saying you can predict the future means that the Spirit of God is fully in you. You put yourself at the same level of the Prophets and Jesus Christ. People that claim to be these kind of Prophets are blaspheming the Spirit itself. And the punishment for that is all understood.
This is entirely unbiblical. First, future telling is NOT the primary function of the gift of prophecy. A great deal of what the OT prophets did was speaking to the people on behalf of the Lord, urging them to turn to Him or telling them what was going to happen if they didn't. Second, remind yourself what Christ said about John the Forerunner. He was the greatest of men born of women, ie greater than all the prophets who came before him, and yet the lowest in the kingdom are greater than he was. So, yeah, in a certain way I am at the same level as those prophets, though not necessarily operating in their same level of giftedness. And that last bit is just nonsense. What Jesus called blasphemy of the Spirit was looking at the work of the Spirit and calling it the work of the devil, which is honestly far closer to what you are doing right now than those who really understand their position in the kingdom of God as His heirs and children.
@@Shardalon I wasn't speaking to anything besides future telling. I'm not claiming speaking on behalf of the Lord through his Word is not prophecy.
As far as my claim that it is blasphemy, I'm referring to the commandment not to take the Lord's name in vain. That is to claim to be in the Spirit and actually not be. I'm not saying there is never a supernatural act of God in this world. I'm saying charismatics singing in tongues, predicting the future, healing etc is all in vanity. I'm sure most are sincere, but it's misinterpretation of something that's been understood for millennia.
Prophecy should be judged according to cessationist Justin Peters on 3 main aspects, the Christian's character, their doctrine, and whether or not their prophecy came true. So according to his pre-supposition its still active, as if we didn't have to judge between true and false prophets we could just throw out the baby with the bath water and say all prophets today are false, so there is a measure for which we discern things today. Prophecy today does have a future telling aspect to it, however it also has an encouragement and building up of a fellow believer aspect as well. I agree with you to some extent that if a modern day Christian w/the gift of prophecy claims that the office of Prophet is still active they are walking in false doctrine, as it is closed and no longer can the canon of Scripture be added to. However the people that Remnant had on their panel at that conference do not believe your assumptions, typically hyper-charismatics will believe that the office of Prophet is still open, but not these folks on the panel. Also how can you prove that future telling rarely happens in the modern world, thats a pretty bold claim, do you have some kind of authoritative position in the church? What data collecting service could even be able to analyze that to even make your statement valid. Furthermore whether the predictive nature of prophesy is active today or less frequent today is a non-argument, the Holy Spirit blows where He wishes, God's sovereignty is what gifts people with prophetic future telling, so it's dependent on God's grace and sovereignty firstly only secondarily man's free will. Also Scripturely what are you referring to that the Spirit of God being fully in someone, are you saying that sometimes the Holy Spirit is only 75% or 63% in someone? I don't get your position please clarify.