Exploring Martin Luther as a Guru: Insights from 'The Rest is History'
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- We delve into the historical and controversial figure of Martin Luther, considering parallels with modern personalities like Jordan Peterson. Inspired by 'The Rest is History' podcast, we explore whether Luther could be regarded as a guru, examining his rhetoric, tactics, and the legacy of controversy he left behind.
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You should do
Ayn Rand.
Leftists have already done this
You should do more of historical "gurus". Just to put things in to prospective and add a different view of the history. That would be nice.
Maybe Hitler, Mussolini, Julius Caesar.
I prophesy that there will come a time when no one will know who JP is. That time is closer than you think. I'll quote an imminent Guru: "I stood the idea on its head. If you want to be read in the future, make sure you would have been read in the past. We have no idea of what’s in the future, but we have some knowledge of what was in the past. So I make sure I would have been read both in the past and in the present time, that is by both the comtemporaries and the dead. So I speculated that books that would have been relevant twenty years in the past (conditional of course of being relevant today) would be interesting twenty years in the future." - Nassim Nicholas Taleb Luther, the market maker-I love it. I'm going to give that series a listen.
You should do some of the postmodern French gurus, like Michel Foucault, Jacques Lacan, and Derrida. They made deconstructing narratives popular, and arguably replaced them with their own stories about the way things are, which inevitably happens.
Yeah they literally just mishmashed Nietzsche will to power and perspectivism into something “new”
I think that the idea that 'people were always like they are now, and therefore things in the past happened like they happen now' is overblown. An easy example is to look at presidential debates, there is a clear degradation of substance.
The opening was hilarious. At some point you gotta make a parody episode where both of you will be talking nonsense during the whole thing.
Thanks for posting these here, I only really use youtube but I am very much enjoying your content.
An example of a secular guru around this time might be Pietro Aretino. He's essentially known as the inventor of "Yellow Journalism," someone who spread sensationalist stories of the powers-that-be of the day and took full advantage of the relatively new printing press to reach a wider audience than ever before, and purposely catering to a common audience by writing in vulgar Italian when most of his peers still wrote in Latin. He was always insistent that he told nothing but the truth, even when lying straight trough his teeth about whatever public figure pissed him off or that he was paid to insult. He ran in high society circles, and was employed by various lords to essentially propagandize for them, though he was almost comically disloyal and betrayed his benefactors (and almost faced dire consequences) more than once. It's also notable that he was considered an unparalleled wit in his day and the centuries after, with even figures like John Milton still invoking his name a century later.
Brilliant idea, historical gurus! Do Rousseau! Wittgenstein! Robert Greene!
Warren Smith - Secret Scholar Society, discussed your last episode with Destiny on his channel. Would love to see a discussion with you two and him.
First time I've ever been first.
Interesting that the 'History host' described Peterson as having 'rallies'....
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cheeky ^^.
don't even know which century martin luther lived but are happily ascribing him a personality disorder. compare him to trump, don't mention his role in making the bible accessible to the public by translating it. this is some guru-like anti-science narratives. this is very disappointing.
Anti Science?
When he lived is not at all important. In fact the whole point of the discussion was to point out that people have always been people, and gurus have always been gurus.
His achievements are also unimportant to the discussion - but notice how they were at pains to point out that Luther was a far more significant person than Peterson.
@@bengreen171 when he lived is important, because his actions make much more sense if you pinpoint them to the invention of the printing press. the whole reformation and luthers 95 theses were a movement against the power abuses of the church. making the bible accessible to the language of the people and being able to print it is core to the question. what of this is comparable to the narcissim of trump? the narrativation destroys historical truth. he wasn't being controversial or contrarian for developing a guru-personality and a cult. he attacked the power abuses of the catholic church. if they mentioned his historic role instead of focusing on the narrative of guru-fication, you wouldn't say that the time and his achievement wasnt important. this is disinformation in real-time.
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They didn't need to get his dates exact because the conversation acknowledged the role of contemporary changes in media - ie printing becoming accessible. They emphasised the 'social media influencer' comparison.
Your objection here is weak.
As for his accomplishments - neither of them denied them, but this is about his character not his achievements. I think you just don't like to think of him as an ego driven rhetorician. I think you're the one narrativising by trying to paint him as whiter than white. hmmm - I wonder where your religious loyalties lie....
@@bengreen171 do you realize that you are starting to attack me personally? this is how dis-information works: form a personal-emotional outgroup to anyone formulating criticizm. stop it.
at this time the pope was regarded as the personal representation of god on earth. i don't think it's a balanced perspective to reduce luther to a guruficationing his persona. the context of social media at this time was the catholic church being the arbiter of truth. luther may have been an ego driven rhetorician, i couldn't care less for his personal image. it is such a bad narrative to compare the spearfigure of the battle against the moral abuse of the church (extracting money under the fear of going to hell) with a person like trump, who enriches himself personally.
you bought in the narrative and now you defend it with personal attacks against me. if you think my narrative is incorrect, point out which argument is false like i did.
@fensteroffen They did actually accurately state the centuries he lived. They said 15th or 16th centuries, which is correct because he lived in the 15th and 16th centuries, and they double-checked anyways. Also, if you listen to the episode you would find that they are very aware of who Martin Luther is and what makes him significant. They also never say that that his effects on the world were unimportant. They say the opposite.
It's not disinformation to address an old topic from a new perspective. The new perspective doesn't delete the old perspectives. This channel is dedicated to the phenomenon of secular gurus, so it makes sense that they are analyzing their subjects through the lens of guru-ification.
Martin Luther, 15th or 16th century? A catholic, not sure, doesn't matter? Geewizz guys, that's poor.