@@chiragrulze First off, homosexuality isn't a disorder, it's a sexual preference. Secondly, it can't be changed. You're gay for life, just like you're straight or bi for life. Do the Internet a service and stay off of it!
Many people have left the gay lifestyle. Very easy to find such people. SSA may not be a choice but it may also be a result of trauma or identity developmental issues. Look it up, you may be surprised. Worst thing we ever did was tell people they were born that way.
@@smalltownhomesteadAC Literally not how it works at all. Same sex attraction is not a result of trauma, or a developmental disorder. You ARE born that way and there's nothing that can be done about it nor is there anything that needs to be done about it. There may be people who "left" the gay lifestyle mostly because they're weak enough to let narrow minded idiots such as yourself shame them into thinking that it's bad. But all they're doing is lying to themselves while causing even more damage to their mental well-being.
@@smalltownhomesteadAC There is no correlation between homosexuality and trauma. I suggest you are actually the one who must do a research. Many gay individuals are perfectly healthy and happy and confident with themselves. It is simply a matter of personality and preferential difference on how we grew up and who we look up to and due to the constructs of our society. It is just a natural part of development. You are overthinking it too much. Just because, you are traumatized, you are more likely to be gay? That sounds like BS.
I had a gay barber who went thru conversion therapy to become straight. He thought it was working according to him but guess who I saw cruising around in a very cruise area for gay men? Uh huh
Lesbian professor Rosario Butterfield was saved by God out of a homosexual lifestyle. Beckett Cook is a man also saved by God out of the homosexual lifestyle. The Thessalonians in the Bible were called to repent.
@@berean1703 First Beckett Cook is practicing celibacy and still is very much attracted to men. Second the science behind female and male homosexuality are different so Beckett Cook should not be compared to the Lesbian professor. Third the Bible does condemn homosexuality but endorses also chattel slavery.
@@newjerseylion4804 You have listened too much to the cultural around you and you have never really looked at the biblical texts with regard to slavery. Even Satan himself twisted scripture when the tried to tempt Jesus - so you need to be smarter and wiser. It is Christianity that states that all men are image bearers of God! Therefore all humans have worth. It was the Christians in Britain (William Wilburforce) that first campaigned to pass laws to outlaw slavery. Furthermore the British Navy was founded to enforce the law to stop human slavery. As the Christianity has diminished in Britain, so corrupted and evil have increased!
@@ranman7688uhhh, no? Homosexuality is not a “sexual behavior”. I bet you’re a homophobic straight man commenting on something you have no idea about or experience of. Rather hypocritical.
Nah bro, calm down. The statical likelihood of ‘the word’ is so low that it’s funny. Also it’s a unique word on a very ‘sensitive’ topic is also funny. No jokes for you i’m afraid
I have a buddy who in highschool couldn't really connect with women or have longstanding relationships with them, in 2021 he came out as 🏳️🌈 and got into a bad relationship, by 2022 he broke up with the guy, joined the coptic ☦️ church, and has successfully "de-gayed" himself and is hoping to someday marry a woman from his church which is primarily composed of immigrants from 🇪🇬 and other areas of the middle east and africa because western women are so crazy
Yeah its interesting how “anti-woke” and “anti-SJW” has evolved since 2014 (Gamergate). It used to be about things like “the woke left wants to ban video games and Halloween costumes” or they’re “offended by everything”… fair enough. There was some truth to all that. But now its like “Woke SJWs believe in equal rights for homosexuals, women, minorities etc.”. Ironically, it proves that the SJWs were right all along
It’s not a choice, but a result of trauma. Fix the trauma, and the desires often go away. That is what people are referring to. The LGTB lied to everyone.
Everyone is bigoted unless you have no ideals which is sure hope you don’t cause then your just a mess, that’s what bigotry is btw the dogmatic belief in something if you believe racism is always bad your a bigot
bisexuality erasure is a thing. That is our ultimate sexuality.. even the 'straightest' of them all will do some questionably g*y things under certain circumstances.. all humans possess it, even if only a slight degree.
A man in his mid 40s cycled past me on a young girl's pink bike yesterday, with stabilizers. Pink hair, in bunches, little dress on, Hello Kitty backpack... Nobody dared bat an eyelid. Weirdly, I was mentally ill during much of my youth, I drank and took drugs. It only "improved" when society became crazier than me. Now I consider myself a completely sane individual. Thanks everyone else! 😅
Did that man hurt you or anybody else? Was he rude or offensive to anyone? No? Didn't think so. It only hurt your precious little feeling, you adorable snowflake.
@@johnnylebay2059 Yes he is hurting people. Society is dissolving, and as long as he's acting this way he'll be no use to anyone. I have no idea why severe mental illness is being encouraged and protected by law, but you or anyone else won't convince me that this isn't wrong. It isn't his fault, I feel desperately sorry for him. He is a victim.
@@wilko871 how do you know he's no use to anyone? How do you know he's not gainfully employed? How do you know he's not in a loving relationship? You don't. You're just scared of him because he dresses the way he wants to dress which is different from what you think is normal. You'll get it eventually.
I'm bi, but I knew my loyalty would always be determined by who I fell in love with. And I fell in love with an amazing woman and have never looked back, being bi is still part of who I am, but I chose her.
Finding someone cute/beautiful etc vs finding someone "sexually" attractive are two different things thou. Idk you and I don't want to infer anything beyond what you posted here, and so this sounds to me like a straight man that is fine with finding other, same sex ppl, beautiful. Nothing wrong with that. Beauty and physical appearance ain't all there is anyway.
@@just2botheru That’s a reasonable response to my comment. I find it Commendable. But my opinions on. People that swing both ways when it suits them hasn’t changed.
That’s amazing. Remember that those feelings are rooted in the fallen human nature. Jesus is like a healing agent. He can heal you of all the trauma you experienced
I've never met a person who "de-gayed" (lol what a term), but I met someone who had previously been in gay relationships who found that they were bisexual, but hetero-romantic. Meaning that they found people from both genders attractive, but only found interest in relationships with the opposite sex.
@@connorscanlan2167 I dont believe that but even if I did like LOL right? but why would that matter ? why would that make any difference if they believed that? do you believe that men can become women? if you do then you believe because someone with authority made that sh*t up and then becuase they have that authority you have decided to adopt that belief and that at that point how is that ANY DIFFERENT then believing something in the Bible?and Ill help you out --it's not . but please tell me why I'm wrong. please tell me pretty please
@@MarioEstevez-re1us So you have no idea what gender is. I'll let you in on a secret: this has been around since before the time of the Buddha. I know your kind think the Bible was written in English and Adam and Eve were created in America, but I promise you the world has existed for longer than you think.
They shouldn't anyway. But in both Canada and the US they are legally obligated to. They will lose their license if they don't push the prevailing political view, regardless of whether or not the therapist holds that view.
I would like to know what Jordan Peterson thinks about the “proper” role of gays in a free society given that historically, when gays become more prominent, societies often crumble, i.e. Greece, etc. please excuse me. I mean no offense. I probably didn’t word that right
@@AndrewiznerYou cant change sexuality, thats a known fact. Look at gay conversion therapy, it only makes gays become abstinent. The American education system is terrible based on these comments. About 10% of all mammal species are gay, you ggods made it normal.
@@Andrewizner if a person feels attraction to the same gender up to 40s then Maries an opposite gender it's most probable of them being bi. Because no one would willingly go through struggles of gay people just to mary a woman.
One of my wife’s family friends was gay, and no one was surprised when he came out after high school. He and my wife grew up like siblings until middle school. He had many long term relationships through the years and when he was about 30-35 he kind of dropped off the grid for awhile. About a year later he contacted my wife and invited us to his wedding. We all assumed it was to another man, Nope. He had been dating a woman and had a 2 month old daughter. We were all confused and he told my wife he had never been more happy than he was with her and their daughter. He talks to my wife a lot, she finally asked him what happened and what changed. He said that he was at work and his now wife became very close friends and found himself attracted to her in ways he never felt before. He actually told my wife he is repulsed by his past relationships. Not sure why this happened and I guess he was “degayed” lol.
I know several gay people 1 girl and 1 guy both gay for a decade. The girl stated she was straight after a decade and the guy got married and is so in deep love with his wife
@@nuknukisdeadthere are countless instances of people who believe they are straight. They marry, have kids and then realise they are gay. If they are famous the gutter press destroys their character and treats the wife and kids as victims. Why do you find it difficult to believe the opposite can also happen?
It is strange to tell a therapist they can’t question their clients beliefs about themselves, because the whole reason you go to a therapist is because you want to change your mental state. I.E. I feel or think this way, and I want to feel or think differently. It’s either conversion or it isn’t working.
You know some people can be bi too? Straight people can't choose to not be gay, but if you're bi I could see how you might be able to suppress that part of yourself since you're still genuinely attracted to the opposite gender. I wouldn't recommend it though, I'm much happier living my truth as a bi man. Denying that part of myself only caused me misery. If you feel like you have an attraction to more than just the opposite gender, you owe it to yourself to be honest with your feelings. It will set you free.
Please provide a shred of evidence that gay identifying men are not attracted to women? (And for the purposes of this question I am a Nazi or whatever you kids call ppl who disagree with you these days)
It isn’t denying the gender you were born as. Transmen/ women people acknowledge they have female/male chromosomes and therefore their s*x is male/female, but gender is based on a neurochemical phenomenon. Trans just means opposite and for trans people this means their sex and gender do not align.
I did! A very close family friend. He literally became straight, got married to a woman, genuinely speaks in favour of how one can become straight with the correct interventions and spiritual help. These are his words, by the way. So yes, I have met someone who successfully "de-gayed". Edit: Too many comments to reply to each individually 😅 All I want to say is: 1. I believe we're all entitled to our own opinions. You do you. And I *will* do me. 2. It does shock me, however, to see how many people believe you can change your whole gender but somehow you can't change the gender you're attracted to. That seems quite inconsistent to me. 3. For people who believe one should be entitled to live out one's own sexuality, it's strange to see how people refuse to believe the man I speak of has chosen to turn away from being gay. It's like you so badly want him to stay in the Alphabet club, you cannot accept that *he* feels otherwise about *his own life*. Strange. 4. My comment is definitely not a lie 😊 He was also a former drug addict. He now runs a rehabilitation programme. I'm sure you'll have no problem believing he could change that major part of himself, but you somehow have a problem believing he could change his sexuality. 5. I wish that the LGBTQ+ club would accept that not everyone is for them without turning all opposition into an enemy. By you being for it, means that you oppose my value system. I don't consider you an enemy for that. I really believe we can live harmoniously in spite of our opposition, so long as you don't try to force me into conforming to your views. Let's not turn all things into a war. Okay, that's it from me, boys and girls. Thank you to the people who believe someone can change. I'm sure we've all been at a point in our lives where we wished to change in some way or the other for the better. Don't take that privilege away from someone else. This is his better.
What a poor woman that married him. I wonder if she knows. Many people try to live in denial and spread their misery by telling others they can go back in the closet too. See how happy they are in 5 years. It will be a trainwreck of a marriage.
@ChrisMinusHumour I knew there would be someone who would say something like this, but I posted it anyways, because despite your negative heart, there are people who turn away from something they believed they were trapped in, and they feel free for it. They've been together for over 13 years 😊
@tamlynadolph183 The longer they are together, the sadder I feel for the wife. Keeping a wife just to avoid perceived humiliation is pretty cruel. If he feels free propping up a false family to cover up his sexual orientation, go ahead. It is not sustainable but live in misery if you wish. I noticed you didn't mention any children, I bet that will be a difficult hurdle for any closetted gay man.
@ChrisMinusHumour Two children, very happy at that. Not closeted at all. Everyone knew he *was* gay. I understand it must be difficult for you to understand. Especially when if you wish it was not possible for people to change. I'm sorry you feel that way and pray that you find your own healing. Be blessed.
@@justtam321 Oh no, the poor children also. They will all be devastated when the family breaks up. He can't go back in the closet forever. This man is certainly in the closet with a beard wife and kids. Very sad situation. I can certainly understand. It is a very general statement that I don't think people can change. Changing inherant parts of your psychology is not possible as Jordan Peterson said. The evidence of reality indicates sexual orientation cannot be changed. I hope you find help for your religious fanaticism and gullible beliefs.
this is fascinating to me, I'm not gay but I am an addict so I have to deny myself every day to be socially acceptable and to "get on" in life. It's much easier since I found my faith in God ❤
Focus on the family , a Christian organization, has a ministry just for people who want to come out of the gay lifestyle. Those who work there are people who have succeeded in this struggle. I'm not judging just wanting to offer helping needed.
Sure you did. That's why someone goes to a psychotherapist, right? Because they have problems. Completely functioning just means that they have their problems under control. Whether or not the same thing would also be a major problem for something else or not is irrelevant.
I have been successful, solely with the Holy Spirit's assistance, in discarding what can be described as my gay identity. I now identify solely as a Christian.
Hahaha you traded a sexual orientation for a religious belief. The reality is denial and Christianity but you can focus on the religious aspect if that helps you through life. Are you magically attracted to women now?
@@paulg6274 You're confusing the word 'gay' with same-sex attraction, which I come across from time to time but don't act on as gay people do. I am very much myself, a content, happy person and don't have time to waste on frivolous endeavours. I have known God for all my life and find it sad that you view Him as a social construct. The gay lifestyle is a great mess and you know it. Getting to know God involves order and a whole lot of positive things, love being over-arching.
@@Rosie33Sophia you are being presumptuous. My personal experience of gay relationships showed me many times that it's a poor copy of what love should be. THAT is sad. I love my life, I am fulfilled and have never been happier.
A friend's uncle felt ssa for a number of men as a teenager and young adult but decided never to act on it. ended up marrying three times to women (widowed twice, for cancer and a car accident), had 8 kids total.
@@ChristoferKelly really?? that's the direction your mind goes during THIS conversation? really? turns out, the more people who're living on this planet at a time, the less we die of terrible deaths from weather or warfare or even awful disease. the better life gets for everyone the bigger our population grows. the more we can help each other make and build and grow and cure. overpopulation is a stupid myth perpetuated by people who hate themselves.
Jordan personally hasn't seen anyone go from gay to straight. But there are plenty of examples right here on UA-cam. I personally listened to a radio interview with a guy who used to be gay. He was a strong gay advocate and was the head of the LGBT movement in his university. He said he had to visit a councillor on one occasion and the meeting with the councillor took an unexpected twist. They got into the subject of his childhood and events that took place then. He said the more counciling he got and the more he discussed troubling events when he was younger, the less "gay" he started feeling. At the time of the radio interview, about 10 years after he left university, he was happily married to his wife and they had children. He says he no longer has any gay feelings or urges at all.
It happens all the time. in fact most grow out of it before ever adopting the lgbt identity. we just dont talk about it cause the second you say you no longer have such urges at all, both fervent anti gay and pervent pro gay people shame us saying "whattt you used to be a f*g" then dont wanna be friends or "oh honey stop it youre a total queen. dont deny your identity!" its disgusting. its insane that while salvation is totally possible, not only no one wants it, but they hate to see others have it too.
I think SSA and Androgeny are symptoms of childhood sexual abuse, early sexualization or a weak male/female identity. The entire movement was started by people who have no sexual boundaries, look up Moira Greyland.
Interesting, considering that for many recovered alcoholics the desire is still there but they just learn how to supress it. So no, being married and having children doesn't say anything about your sexual attractions.
hopefully he was just bisexual and chose to marry a woman, instead of a man? it’s impossible to change sexuality but many people do try to suppress it. it wasn’t uncommon back then for homosexual men and women to force themselves into heterosexual relationships - i don’t understand why a modern man or woman would do this though.. if he’s 100% homosexual then i feel very sorry for his wife 😬
Your sexual orientation only refers to whom your feel sexually and romantically attracted to. People can choose to ignore their feelings of sexual and romantic attraction for a variety of reasons, but that doesn't change their sexual identity. An heterosexual guy who decides to be a priest and takes his vows of chastity may choose to never touch sexually a human being again and to never nurture any romantic feelings, but that doesn't make him any less heterosexual. The guy you know may have chosen to never engage in sexual or romantic behavior with other men, and he may very well find that choice to be worth the pain and struggle, because with it he gained a family he loves. But not following up on his feelings and desires doesn't make them less real, and living with a woman and having sex with her doesn't mean he genuinely and passionately loves her romantically and feels physically attracted to her. Humanity has had - and still has - hundreds of cultures in which not marrying a person of the opposite gender and having children is simply not an option; millions of homosexual people were and are pressured into arranged heterosexual marriages, including hundreds of nobles and royals that HAD to produce heirs whether they like it or not - like Edward II of England that had multiple homosexual long term partners but still manage to do his duty and have 4 children with his wife. And heterosexual people are known to develop homosexual relationships in contexts were they habmve no contacts with people from the opposite gender for a very long time - because it's human to still crave physical and emotional intimacy. The question we should be asking is whether we want a society in which people primarily marry for love and everyone deserves a shot at choosing a spouse the are in love with and attracted to; or whether we want a society in which we marry primarily for other reasons - like financial stability and child rearing. 'Conversion therapy' is only worthwhile in the second kind od society.
@@jasonjames6870If delivered from demonic spirits of homosexuality & healed of other underlying reasons for sexual identity confusion e.g. sexual abuse, lack of nurturing relationship with father etc, then can be set free.
Well,I have a friend who was sexually abused when he was a boy and ended up as a homosexual crossdresser. Once he had some kind of epiphany while listening to a priest. He says he had to struggle with those unwanted desires,that he finally abandoned that lifestyle,enrolled in law school and have been married for the last 15 years. He and his wife have now two children. How come a man can become a "woman" but a gay man cannot decide and become a straight one if he so wishes?
Carlos It's hormones Mental issues or lost sight of reality Society and social media encouraging it saying its ok when it's not Potentially something in the food/ water source (don't laugh maybe true)
most of the times gay men who "become" straight haven't really changed their sexualities. they simply went back into the closet to fit in society due to external pressures. it's not a coincidence that 9 times out of 10, it has to do with religious doctrine first and foremost
Because you can only go one way -> deviant and insane. Try to heal your mind and soul and suddenly you're "repressed" and "denying your true identity."
what the fuck are you actually saying? whose stopping gay men from identifying as straight. He might be bisexual considering he has a wife but he sure as hell not straight. weird how you mention him being sexually abused as it has any ties to him being gay though. People aren't turned gay.
Rosaria butterfield, former lesbian queer studies professor, became a Christian and went straight, married a man and had kids. Would LOVE to see Dave interview her. Or Jordan
It seems to be quite different with women. Plenty of gay men I've seen. Their being gay is so ingrained into their psychology and physiology. Their attraction to women is at best, forced for normalcy. Meanwhile, women who are lesbian, usually it's of some negative experience or trauma with men and they simply can never or strong averse to ever going back to men. That, or they have this sort of label or symbolism that they feel being lesbian is challenging a wrongness they feel in the world, and heavily commit to it. Others are like transgender people, they are butch females, masculine and feel they need to emulate a man in every way including being into women, and these women never seemed authentic... when me as a man gets flirted, molested and hit on by supposed lesbians. Very few lesbians I seen just be authentically so, vs gay men, who the vast majority are unquestionably so. Sure a lot of bisexual people confuse being one or the other too... again.
Who told you that"osaria butterfield, former lesbian queer studies professor, became a Christian and went straight, married a man and had kids," and why do you believe them?Just naturally passive and credulous or american?
@@premonitions1390 It's healthy to be a heterosexual? Gosh, I just have to take a quick look at the news and see plenty of stories detailing disgusting heterosexual acts of rape, torture and murder.
@@premonitions1390homosexuals do not find “healing”. It’s impossible. All the so called “ex-gay” organization are scamming people for money and fear. Many people die at the hands of those scammers. If only you knew the suicidal rates in such organizations, you would have known the truth. But God hid the truth from you so you can be arrogant and hateful.
I read an article a few years ago where two men said they used to be homosexual but through conventional therapy eventually their attraction to men decreased and they developed a new attraction for women, resulting in them being attracted to both sexes, but with a stronger attraction to women than men.
Tell me, why the fuck would God care about that? People are raping and torturing each other every day but God cares about people being gay? This is such a non-issue. Stop acting like being gay is some kind of destructive disease or something. Get some sense
I’ve never known anyone who “de gayed” per se, but I have known people who have had homosexual experiences and relationships and went on to get married and live a traditionally heterosexual lifestyle without any issue. It’s honestly not that weird, IMO. People grow and change all the time.
Do you know how many straight women and men who had never had at least one homosexual sign in their lives came out as gay at 25 or at their late 30s and lived as gay for the rest of their lives?Search coming out at 25 or even 30 after being married to a man or woman and only liking the opposite gender!Noones 100% straight!Most straight people don't know what they want till they Are 30 just because they suppress their emotions because they fear society!So search that and tell me how many lesbians and gay men you saw coming out even after 10 years of being married to the opposite sex!"straight" is outdated!Most of you will find out you are bi or gay at some point in your life! It's just a fear that's stopping you that you'll get past later in your life,when society becomes more inclusive and accepting! It's just a matter of time because i have seen tons of "" 100% straight people""realise they are gay later in life and live their gay best life after that!So you should stop coming for gay people because that might be you later in life
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 "... and such WERE some of you ..." Past tense, so some of the Corinthian Christians had formerly been homosexual and had repented.
@@Ricocossa1 The Bible doesn't claim that and the patriarchal ages are clearly chosen for narrative purpose. From Adam to Moses they add up to 12,600, a numerologically important number to the Hebrews. Back in that time, actually recording literal ages wouldn't have fit into their cultural practices.
The point being if we're going to pick and choose which passages to interpret literally, then we can't refer to the bible to claim that homosexuality can be “cured.” You can't have your cake and eat it too.@@Konxovar0
Or in simpler terms, I think it makes more sense to listen to a psychologist over such matters than to base our whole understanding of homosexuality on one interpretation of one word in one sentence in a book, no matter the religion you may prefer.@@Konxovar0
I have absolutely witnessed people who's sexual preference was the same sex and when they gave their life to Jesus they chose through His strength and cleansing and all things new, to turn their thoughts from that and be what they were born at birth and be much much more at peace🙌🏻 True story✝️
@@SWLinPHX For people to be*born* homosexual there would have to be a homsexual gene and tere is *not*, so they are not. It may be that some are born predisposed to being easily perverted but nobody could possibly be *born* homsexual and I notice that you avoid the truthful term homosexual so use the lying euphemism 'gay' because you are ashamed of your perversion as are all paraphiliacs; why else would you employ a lying euphemism(and *all* euphemisms are lies)?
@@SWLinPHX It simply*cannot possibly* be true that anyone is ever born homosexual, because homosexuality, is completely and utterly pointless, which is why buggery and sodomy are completely unknown in animals
What? But I always hear about Jordan being a fascist alt-right bigot. He’s not defending conversion therapy? He had gay patients? It almost sounds like he’s moderate and normal
Little Richard. And he was vocal about it and wanted people to know it's possible and a choice. And he had intensely gay traits in is manner and style.
I have a good friend who was a lesbian for over 20 years. She decided on her own she wanted out. Got counseling and went straight and has never looked back. It’s been nearly 20 years. Or there’s Rosaria Butterfield. I heard counselors talking before that for a segment of gay men, when you deal with their father issues from childhood, their same sex attraction just goes away. It’s definitely not unheard of. But of course, the militia does not want this out there. They want you to think change is impossible, as if it’s in your DNA. It’s not.
Well studies do show DNA influences it significantly. Same with other biological factors like prenatal envionrment, birth order, brain structure. So biology does play a large role. Also conversion therapy had been practiced for centuries and research shows that it is highly ineffective. In some cases, sexuality especially among women does spontaneously change though it's not due to voluntary actions. Also your friend could just be bisexual. If we ran a brain scan on her, she probably would still show arousal to women
@@SNP2082Shane Gillis put it best in his special (as a joke with some truth). Basically he said being gay may not be a choice; but when you look at groups who have a hard time with choices (mentally challenged), you rarely see one who doesn't love the ladies. 😂
Lol, that’s not evidence of what you think it is. If you have deep seated desires to be straight from moral beliefs then you can brainwash yourself into being whatever you want. In ancient Greece it was considered normal and even desirable and societal standards meant adult men would pair up with young boys in homosexual relationships - left to their own devices these men would not have had these desires but societal norms meant that otherwise “straight” men were clearly pressured to be gay. Gay child abusers even. Your sexual attractions are not choices or logical deductions - you like who you like. Your friend just brainwashed herself. You shouldn’t need counselling or need to work hard to be attracted to someone. Unless it’s not real
When you are talking about desire-people can desire all sorts of things. People can change their taste buds. People become aroused by fetishes, which are clearly not natural-50 shades of unnatural…or more. I’m not saying same sex attraction is a fetish, but I am saying that those who think you cannot change your preference for certain things really really doubt the power of the human psyche. It is not easy, no doubt-but a human through the power of their mind can decide to eat only meat one day, eat this way for ages, and then turn around and become strict vegan and be completely repulsed by animal products. Their are ways to tame the desires of the body-and good thing, we can’t accept as a society the idea people are so controlled by their impulses and urges that we permit something like rape or pedophilia, or beastiality. We can observe many things as human scientist, but we are still pretty bad at understanding attraction at even a basic level (which is easily observable by the evidence).
One of the hardest things in this life is to live authentically in society. These Conversations make it just that much harder because the people that find you yucky for just being you see you as not only yucky, but lazy and immoral, because “you can change.” There is no evidence that someone can change their sexual identity, but overwhelming evidence that you are much better off accepting yourself. I am tired of the people that find me yucky telling me how to live my life.
You’ve completely missed the point here. Jordan is saying clearly gays can’t be converted. But to oppose trans ideology is illegal even though it’s what they need
@@jameltandersonyou missed the point too. A physiologist or mental healthcare professional of your choosing cannot legally question a patient, even if the patient doesn’t understand and may feel pressure in other environments where they cannot think through choices or actions easily. Those people can be pressured into a permanent decision medically. You should question everything, talk things out with a professional willing to challenge you with healthy methods to get you to flesh out and firm your understanding of yourself. Loving yourself as you are is bullshit fluff spewed by well intending people who don’t care if you’re not sure about who you are.
@@indiacompany4573 no I understand the “point” I’m just not letting people move the goal post these people DON’T really care about protecting kids from themselves it’s a scapegoat for their dislike of other/lgbt people this is the just the most recent example. It used to be don’t ask don’t tell DOMA and gay marriage now it’s drag queens ,bathrooms, and sports. There will ALWAYS be another reason because it’s not the root cause. They don’t like like gay people and will find any reason to go against them or try to control them.
For anyone who doubts the "born this way" narrative, research Dr. Joseph Nicolosi's discussions of his casework. Hone in on the part where he describes how the APA systematically refused to view his casework because it would offend gay activists. Btw, I'm 100% for same-sex attracted people being involved with any consenting adult, and I support their safety and dignity. However, I _hate_ suppression of information.
I am a 29 year old who has gone through this. I’ve “De-gayed” and I’ve never been happier. It’s truly a miracle. It’s the best thing that has happened to me. In hindsight, homosexual urges and relationships felt miserable compared to heterosexual ones. I can’t imagine ever being with a guy again. Life can finally begin.
You can't do that bro! You were bi and had a bigger inclination for women in the end! ok cool but don't say you were homosexual and now you are straight. I just hope you are not in denial and miserable
@@xXxEstrellaOcultaxXx Yes, but there are countless testimonies out there. You only have to look with an open mind. I’m sure some of them may still struggle, but there are absolutely people who’ve made a 180. Why is that so hard to believe? If someone recognizes dysfunction in their life and they’re enlightened enough to explore the issue more deeply, why is it not possible for someone to change? Did you know that LGBQ individuals report an extremely high rate of sexual & emotional abuse as children compared to heterosexuals? There is an absolute correlation with early abuse & homosexuality, so wouldn’t it seem reasonable to consider the possibility of transformation?
You are gay or not. Nothing in between. And I don't mean that bisexuals don't exist. You can't be gay and transform to straight. It is impossible. Sexuality is deeply rooted in our mind and spirit
Wrong. Sexual fluidity is a thing and a very well researched thing. By the way it’s not bisexuality, it is different. Bi is where you can go either way at any time, sexual fluidity is where you are completely gay but your preference change to straight, or completely straight to gay. It could also be being bi and then after time becoming completely straight or completely gay.
Yep. My son in-law had a child with my daughter and then a gay guy came on to him really strong and convinced him he was gay because he wanted him. My youngest daughter's first love left her for another girl, then got friend-zoned by her because she "decided" she wanted to be gay and led him down the path of transgenderism. He was seeing a therapist who convinced him to become a girl and he shot himself because not everyone would accept his decision. This was a kid who told me that could only happen to the weak minded. Peer pressure ends young lives. I miss that kid, and I hate these people for turning our kids inside out. We all used to talk about how everyone knows their sexuality already, because even babies get crushes on people. We've all seen it.
Anyone with a brain knows that we are designed perfectly. 1 man and 1 women. Nothing more nothing less. Lgbt is the new social experiment on 21st century human beings. Every generation had a social experiment in the 60s it was birth control racism etc.
@@shahbaziab6584 well seems like that.. who knows.. in his youth he was homosexual as it can get. Hanging out with truck drivers in rest areas.. then he suffer and episode were 2 o 3 guys in the route hurt him with a wooden stick truck drivers use to measure the tyres. After that he travelled out of town for some years until came back with a wife and kids..
if god were real, i would assume he gives people sinful sexual desires so they can remain celibate and resist their temptation which would lead to holiness. not just randomly waiting until you decide to pray about it then he just degayifies you, but who knows, im not god
Standing on your own shoulders or beating the ace of trumps with an ordinary deuce are not possible through Christ and no more is removing from a table something that is not on that table rom that table.
God created queer people Himself in order to make our world diverse. He doesn’t want gay people to change, because that’s how He has created them. And it’s beautiful…
@@user-ss7zt1nt6r Do you believe in God? Genuine question because usually people who say this don't actually believe in God themselves but put forward this argument to convince Christians to adopt their views on homosexuality. I don't want to make any assumptions but this is usually the case. The concept of original sin and the fallen state of Mankind easily explains the existence of people who choose to live lifestyles in disobedience to God.
It's a telling misdirection by Peterson who had an opportunity to just honestly answer a question even though he didn't love his own answer. But he moves onto creating controversy at lightning speed, instead of just living in the question at hand, living in that truth and exploring it.
I know of two men (who happen to be in my country) who were gay, then changed, went straight, got married to women, had children, and still lead straight lives. One is an artist, the other owned a dance school. I alo know someone who was straight, married twice, had three kids, and when in his 60's turned gay and moved in with a man.
All I do know, is what I've experienced for myself: before I reached puberty, I was completely ignorant about sexuality. I was a boy, and grew up with only boys, and girls were gross, and then the puberty switch webt on: all I could think of was girls. Until then, just mentioning anything remotely in the direction of sex was forbidden, and no one ever abused me, and apart from seeing only straight adult couples, no one ever told me that I had to like girls or have relations with them. Children are extremely easy to influence, and at that age, any suggestions, no matter how subttle, will influence thought pattern. Just look how many adult transgenders there are who regrets having tranformed. Sad thing is, no child today can experience the innocence I grew up with becuase they are atracked by influencersand molesters, and therefore their parents have to arm them against it at a very young age by teaching them about things they shouldn't be concerned with. Very sad.
Who gives a flip...😂the problem isn't gay people per se it's the law makers and hard core activist shoving that lifestyle down everyone's throat, most people are tolerant, and yeah you have a few unhinged out there who want them eliminated but personally i got bigger fish to fry😂..
It’s people like the gay couple who sued the baker in Colorado (who wouldn’t bake their wedding cake) that are the problem. Or the transgender who came in after and demanded a “transition cake” then sued when he wouldn’t bake it. You can’t force people to throw away their religious beliefs and accept your lifestyle
@@anonymousperson6119 Actually you can - the history of USSR, or any other kommie country is a clear example. But it leads to no good at all, so there's that.
@@user-yc5um2pl5v yes I know you “can” in the sense that it’s possible I’m aware of examples like that. When I said people “can’t” do that I meant it goes against the principles and laws this country was founded on, we don’t want to be like the USSR was. And in that particular case the court found the law didn’t allow them to do that
I used to think that until they started shoving their propaganda down me and my families throat. It’s almost like, whoever these activists are, are trying to make us all resent them and it’s working.
@@anonymousperson6119Thats due to laws in place that make it so that you can’t discriminate. The same way u can’t refuse to serve a black person because they are black, you can’t refuse to serve a gay couple because they are gay.
What sewerites/homosexualist s do inter se has nothing to do with sex or making new beings, so 'homosexual is something of an oxymoron. Homosexualism is clearly a manifestation of the sex function but can only be described as a malfunction of the sex function and thus pathological or some sort of disease, and on any view it is against nature which is why buggery and sodomy are wholly unknown in the animal kingdom-obviously because they are utterly pintles as are all paraphiliacs such as sewerites and homosexualists The quueer odd, strange or peculiar thing is why the religion modernism and its followers modernists, seek to make sacred cows of various forms of paraphiliac such as sewerites and trans-sexualists and become near hysterical at the slightest suggestion that there may be something objectionable about paraphiliacs and paraphiliac practices such as sodomy and buggery. Why do you suppose what you call sexual preferences to merit protected status rather than preferences to steal or injure? Some prefer to bugger or sodomise and others prefer to steal or injure-Both are prefeences, but for some queer reason the religion modernism seems to regard preferences involving the sex organs to merit protected s status. Throughout its history or past the common law has - quite rightly set its face against and sought to penalise sewerite practices such as buggery and sodomites, whereas statute law has sought to give sodomites and buggers protected status, I think because the prevailing or official religion in English speaking nations or peoples, is the religion modernism for the purposes of which any manifestation of filthy anti-natural inclinations or predilections is regarded as sacred and sundry paraphiliacs as sacred cows. Astonishingly I even hard one devout modernist refer to " gay sex" seemingly blithely unaware that what sewerites do to one another-or rather what I am *told* they do to or with oneanother involving one of the sex organs could possibly have any thing to do with sex or the activity of brining about new human beings or sex. It is axiomatic that homosexual " sex" is an impossibility which is why buggery and sodomy are completely unknown in nature or the animal kingdom, the reason for that being that nature does nothing pointless and buggery and sodomy are as pointless as buggers sodomites and sewerites, which for some inexplicable reason the religion modernism regards as sacred cows, but not necrophiliacs or bestialists, but hey ho, modernism is an extremely queer religion indeed. Why pick on sewerites and fake women to be your sacred cows but not thieves murderers and fraudsters, if you really want to sanctify everything that is vile filthy and antinatural?
@@christopheryannatone4406 I am definitely not saying that, quite the contrary: "de-gayed" people marrying the opposite sex doesn't cease to have same sex attraction. You can "decide" to prioritise something else over your own feelings or the other way around. It's about your own acceptance, priorities and honesty with yourself, your partner and the world.
@@natedog69420I agree. Not only can it be changed, it is constantly changing. What I liked at 19 isn't what I like at 29 and won't be what I like at 39.
He has literally made a career out of it, sis. Alluding to gender affirming surgery as conversion therapy is so fucking insulting i hardly know where to begin.
He is pissed cuz children are being mutilated and sterilized all in the name of inclusion and/or acceptance and we arent supposed to be appalled, outraged, or even question the idea. It seems to me that its the so-called "progressives" are the real bigots. As adults, do whatever you want. But when CHILDREN are taking hormone blockers, having their bodies cut on and mutilated, ensuring they will never have children....all before they can firmly know who they are or what they want in life is when all of this has gone to far. We don't allow children to drink alcohol, buy nicotine, gets tattoos, have sex, move out on their own, or even get piercings w/o written parental concent.....because we know scientifically, neurologically, emotionally, and psychologically they are immature and inept at making rational decisions for their overall wellbeing, but sure let little Timmy cut his dick off and poor Susie get a double mastectomy all before their brains and identity have solidified. Hell ive seen insane parents say their child is neither male or female at birth because they are allowing them to make that decision. The entire woke movement should be deemed and called out for exactly what it is....clinically insane and mentally unstable. I support adults (over 25) that have decided to live life as a transvestite but no one should ever accept, acknowlegde nor affirm a child trying to do the same. Our world is demonic (I'm not even a very religious person) but any sane, rational, logical and common sense bearing person knows this shit is abhorrent and fundamentally immoral. If you truly believe and feel you were "born in the wrong body" you need intense therapy to figure out why you can't love yourself and what has created such a disconnect from who and what you are. It's a mental illness, period. Ultimate form of insecurity and self hatred.
online conversion therapy actually worked for me, my parents forced me and I was like ok I can't change and then I started talking anout normal things in therapy and we did image therapy on trauma and my feelings eventually went towards women only.
@@reginamemoriesforever-vc8qlI can imagine, but the antidote to that is removing unfounded bigotry from society, not increasing it. Surely this must be evident by now
You always have a choice. If you say gays can't change then you have to give that standard of being unable change to people that like bestiality or incest or far worst sexualities. You're saying they can't change?
Its because people want to be delusional and culture centered. Any use of the mechanism of reproduction outside of reproduction natural parts (female-male) its pathological per se. Its just culture they try to shove on our faces
"Found their way out"? I think you mean "found their way in... to the closet." If you can't convert your sexual orientation, why would you think anyone else can?
@@Megaultraawesome99whats strange is that I've met a quite a few gay people at work or school that talk about having early sexual encounters. Like this girl I met that said she was born bisexual yet said she has been having sex since she was 8 or this guy I met that said he knew he was gay since he was 4 because he was aroused by men since that age then I asked him if he doesn't think it's unusual for a 4 year to experience arousal that's not normal. He ended the the conversation. Another common case I see are people who have very bad relationships with one of more of there parents or family members typically verbal and physical abuse.
@@kovarcoley8418 at the risk of seeming like i'm going back on what i said, it's just a false equivalence there (early traumas = homosexuality/bisexuality). to be anecdotal as well, you just would not believe the amount of straight women i know who were sexually assaulted by family members in early development. it really messed them up, but it didn't make them gay or anything. as far as that guy goes, i imagine it was just uncomfortable to speak of how his sexuality was at such a young age. to disagree with you, it's not even a question that arousal and even masturbation is can occur a good bit before puberty and adolescence, but it's a taboo subject because it's naturally uncomfortable to think children have that capacity. should it be encouraged or embraced? of course not, only a sicko would encourage such early sexuality, but it *does* spontaneously arise without their having to be some traumatic input, though early traumas certainly would exacerbate it. anyways, sorry for such a long reply, it's just that i don't necessarily see a correlation between the two things you put forward. sexual abuse in childhood is much more common of a thing than you or i might hope it to be, and i just don't see how it has anything to do with "breaking" a kid's orientation so to speak
@@wilfredruffian5002 i've met kind, generous, stable gays who have strong families and engage with their community. i've met straight men who are parasitic, sexually and domestically abusive, drug addicted sociopaths who contribute only suffering to this world. i'd say that of the two, the gays seemed quite well adjusted in comparison. all comes from the upbringing and in the cases i'm talking about, the gay individuals i've known who were well-adjusted had strong supportive parents who weren't repulsed and afraid by their child's sexual orientation.
I know a few female friends that were lez back in the day but went to men and never looked back. But I've also had a couple friends that were hetero, had been married, had kids, and went lez much later in life. All of my male friends that were gay still are. But a couple of them were switch hitters to begin with so still go back and forth.
It's appalling to read some of the comments where people are stating facts without any medical or psychological evidence and invalidating the opinion of psychologist who have years of practice and have come across different kind of humans and research
Witnessing someone who was literally gay and then not be gay and get married and have children IS proof. How is it not? As a nurse, I’ve seen so many miracles that aren’t explainable in medical terms, how is this any different?
Welcome to UA-cam, or any other online platform for that matter, where stupidity reigns because even the dumbest have access to the online network now.
If you are actually gay, you can’t one day decide that you not gay anymore that is exactly how it’s does not work that’s the problem(when people say it is not a choice they actually mean it’s not a choice whether you like it or not)
Very true, I spent years calling myself straight and I was flat out in denial. What you identify as is irrelevant. I will say though, bisexual people certainly make the issue more complicated because they have the ability to appear “converted” or identify as “straight” but in reality they’re just choosing to sleep with the opposite sex while ignoring their same sex attraction/keeping it on the dl 🙄
@@gcallananpainting they’re closeted or they’re bi. if they still actually maintain the attraction to opposite sex, while “finding” the attraction towards the same sex, then they’re not gay nor converted into one. even if we put into numbers like: 70% opposite/30% same sex, 5% opposite/95% same sex; they’re still not gay nor straight. it matters of how early one is aware of their true attraction.
Human beings like some people more than others. It’s a fundamental freedom to hang out with others that make you happy to be around. All those folks out there that keep bashing on gay folks are asking them to actually like women more, when half the time straight men aren’t even happy with women, even the woman they actually married, and they drive each other crazy.
@@bernie4268 Who's "you"? I'm not even lesbian🤣you either didn't understand my comment or you're deflecting. Explain the misogyny in your last sentence.
Jesus is the way. All homosexuality is, is sexual immorality and ones CHOICE to indulge in that particular sin. They can be changed, transformered and saved from eternal damnation and torment. Going to hell is a choice. Choose wisely people, seek Jesus.❤
Arseno + koitai arsenokoitai, the word Paul used to describe the behavior in the culture of his day between men having sexual congress with one another
That's interesting that therapists can't "ethically and legally" question a person's identity. So I guess a person could go all the way through therapy confused and believe they are gay when they are really not.
@@Miss-V123 people can be born gay. Their are multiple factors that contribute to it which is why it’s different for everyone. Someone can go through trauma and their are people who are born gay from hormonal influence and genes variation. Both can be true…
I met a few gays and listening to their stories, they could have been straight. Events, choices, experiences happened after which the sheer animal sexual force of gay sex was too much for them to turn away from, like a drug they were hooked and it changed their outlook. What I learnt from this is that though there may be so called cis gay men, I've never gotten to know their stories. But from what I can see is that many people, perhaps most, sit on a spectrum naturally but not absolutely nor irrevocably biased towards heterosexuality some more towards the poles than others but that events can shape a person's outlook so significantly that choices are made that lead to experiences that forever re-bias that individual. Perhaps there's some biological influence somewhere in the original spectral positioning but it doesn't seem compulsive. So would I say "born this way" ...no. but neither would I say it's a lifestyle choice.
Not at all. I know a lot of straight guys who are still straight even after hooking up with other guys, a lot of lesbian women who are still lesbian after hooking up with guys and an inimaginable amount of gay guys who are still gay after years of denying their sexuality and trying to be straight. Sure, there might be exceptions regarding experiences shaping attraction, but it is definitelly not a choice. Btw, the only ones who think of gay sex in terms such as "sheer animal sexual force" or "a drug" are gay guys who supress their feelings. Get over it, sex in general is not like porn.
i like this whole thread. i agree and i want to extend that to be homosexual is to also be attracted emotionally and physically to the same sex. i know guys who have experimented with other guys as teens to young adults, and they consider themselves straight because they can't see themselves being in a romantic relationship with a man. there is something else interesting ive observed -- and that attraction, sometimes can be biased from experience of our first instance of arousal. im not sure if this is in the books somewhere, but definitely something i've found to be an influencing factor. @@vichomangiola
My sister's friend was a young man, 18 or 19, in the mid 80's who was having feelings for men. I'll call him Alec. Alec went to his Pentecostal pastor for counsel. Not only did that man tell everyone in the congregation the content of that personal, private conversation but he also told the Alec that he, Alec, had the devil in him. Alec said that since he figured that he was going to hell anyway, he might as well have fun. He changed his number, broke all contact with family and every friend he had; threw caution to the wind and went out and slept with anything with a penis. My sister was so upset. No one knows what ever happened to him. My guess would be AIDS. I would be greatly surprised if he were alive today. Proof that ministers need proper training.
Ministers - plural? How balanced of you to believe all ministers are like the one you describe. Gossip is condemned in the Bible. I am not Pentecostal, but I am a Christian. I would have walked away from a 'minister' and church like that and never looked back. That was just cruel. It sickens me when people seek comfort and understanding, but instead receive condemnation. It is possible to not accept one's actions or lifestyle, but act in love regardless. Please don't react to what you 'think' I mean by this.
Wow, how tolerant and open are you to judge an entire group of people based on a single story or experience, I once got into an argument with a black guy so I guess every black man is a hot headed asshole right? I mean if we're going by your standards we can judge a group of people with only one or two interactions or experiences
I have. Met him at work and he explained his background - escaping from Vietnam with his family and a unaffectionate father, and he was later saved through Christ. I believe he’s been married for over 20 years to a women and preaching the gospel ever since. A very nice person.
Thanks for sharing that. The Bible offers hope for those who are struggling with homosexuality, and it is indeed possible to be released from such degenerate lifestyles (1 Cor. 6:9-11).
@@michaelnoble2432 the Bible is full of delusion lies and forgeries. Sorry that you have bought into the beliefs of a cult of human sacrifice from classical antiquity, but the only reason anyone would believe the nonsensical dogma taught by that contemptible sect is the fear of hell. I’m sorry you were too much of a coward to stand up and face reality, but there is still hope for the rest of us.
@@LaLeMaynope. There was a video of him talking really badly of gay people when asked about gay marriage. He is just like the rest of them. There's a reason republiturds love this grifter.
@@LaLeMay it's really not that hard to type in youtube but here hr talks about gays as if they're some sort of inhumane creature: ua-cam.com/video/4jef2C4T1_A/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
How disingenuous of JP to not even present the reality of the affirmation model. It does not mean you never question your patient. It means you dont outright contradict them because that shuts down dialogue and prevents you from understanding their situation better. So if someone actually isn't trans you can help them understand that and if they are you can help them take the next steps.
I actually had a friend who claimed to be definitely gay, not bisexual and even had a bf. Eventually they broke up. A year and a half later, he ended up being straight and even claimed he was never gay despite having been intimate with a guy, which goes far beyond questioning and testing things out. I heard a rumour that apparently he went to some function, got high and received you know what to a certain area of the body and after that he was completely straight. I never questioned him on that so idk if it’s true but I did ask if he was bi because I’m not gonna pretend like he wasn’t gay before 💀 but his answer was no and that he was completely straight. So I’ve seen that happen before, but idk how that happens since I’ve always been adamant about being straight and never had to question it, nor will I ever
@@robertbusek30I think partial homeschool is good, they might do “just as well” but I know plenty of homeschool or coddled kids that are emotionally stunted, and pull further away from people, continuing the cycle. We actually do exist in the world, it’s better to live in it than isolate
If it was possible (even with great difficulty) to change orientation from gay to hetero, then I think pretty much every gay teen living in the 80's would have done it. Only a certified masochist would have chosen to be gay during the AIDS crisis and the rampant homophobia that accompanied it. As a Christian, I am not allowed to declare that gay sex is holy in God's eyes... though I acknowledge that I'm not allowed to judge others (that's His job). But I regard conversion therapy as the snake oil that it is.
@@smalltownhomesteadAC Some Christians insist that because same-sex romance isn't holy, same-sex attraction isn't real. Others postulate that because same-sex attraction is quite real, same-sex romance must be potentially holy. But what if neither are correct? Some people are challenged in ways that others are not... some people seek romance but it never comes to them. God gives us all gifts, but not the same gifts. Maybe SSA individuals have been given a unique challenge: they find romance, but must not give into temptation to act on it.
How can someone have no choice in their sexuality, especially if the categories are straight, bisexual, and gay? It doesn’t make logical sense. We have a biological and evolutionary predisposition to be straight as that’s how we procreate. Beyond that, sexual pleasure is a spectrum dependant on exposure and temperament. You cant be born gay if being bisexual is an option, being bisexual destroys the notion you can be born gay because then one would have to make the argument that you could be born bisexual too, and how can you be born with sexual proclivities to BOTH sexes? It’s an absurd biological claim. Your sexual proclivities are clearly related to personality AND what you’re exposed to sexually. No one is born with an interest in hardcore sexual kinks or fetishes, one works up to these through exposure. The same way people aren’t born with bestiality tendencies or object-philia. And if you can work up to something, you can move away from it too through abstinence or cognitive therapy. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with homosexuality or bisexuality, because I don’t believe there is. But you’re clearly not born that way and have a say in it. I’m also just saying it should be an option to those who are unhappy with their perceived sexuality. There are lots of youth who think they might be gay who don’t want to be. If they don’t want to be, who are we to tell them they must?
Most abusers are straight men and most children abused are girls. I wonder how many girls would naturaly be lesbians if it wasn't for those terrible incidents.
I wouldn’t say most. But as a non gay person I have met gays who seem to be born that way. Others I wonder if the child SA and DV they experienced impacted them and expressed sexually, they often have a deep hatred of opposite sex, and I can’t help but wonder if they had grown up in a loving home then perhaps they would be heterosexual? No idea. But it is a broken messed up overly sexualised world we live in. 🙁
@@TheAllyathome When you say they "seem to be born that way," is it not possible that those particular individuals just simply do not remember the initial nexus of their homosexual interest? And that being the case, is it also possible that it came from somewhere outside of themselves but they just don't remember exactly where it came from?
This question is silly.. Heterosexuals transition all the time to Homosexuality and no one is questioning or mocking the transition. But when it's reversed it's absurd. This man knows what's right deep down inside.
@@edwardo737 Thankyou, Never easy to say that but you did, which is the first part of eating the truth( tastes like shit baked in vomit does it not?) It is not for me to say but how will you go a about digesting or transforming it in absolute Silence and complete stillness-perfectly relaxed still sand silent, which is not the absence of anything but the presence of something? If a man (human being) happens perhaps accidentally to speak truth it cannot come from him down there or in my case down here, but only from the source of truth love and intelligence which is Above which I do not wish to degrade in *any* way with words.Any element of truth can only have been accidental. Inch foot, gem time.. I forget the rest but it can be looked up on this tower of babel internet thing. You took a big risk and I hope I have not betrayed that or let you down or taken advantage.Absolutely no idea what I said. If there was any element of truth in it, it could not possibly have come from below-yshp or your servant here prsent whatever vhawk1951 may be, it is a *little* thing and any resemblance between it and the truth is purely coincidental. As I used to say to police officers, beware of baby barristers -they cross-examine like machine gunners; they have no idea of at what to shoot but hope that if they keep firing they are bound to hit something, and who is to say they are wrong? You got hit by a ricochet?-Sorry bout dat. Truth does not-*cannot*come from men(human beings) but occasionally appears to come from one of them's (their?)general direction, but appearances are deceptive. It takes a *Big* man to eat a truth even if it was fired by a little man.Doubly so it it was fired by a little man by accident. I think of the mighty Richard I - coeur de lion- hit by a lucky crossbow shot of some nobody who while dying of the subsequent infection Richard fororgave the nobody whom his own people flayed alive despite their masters piety if that is the word. We(Is there a we?) live on or in a carpet of which the warp is suffering and the weft humour and the colour and number of the wools and the design are-Now for some Eliot Every attempt Is a wholly new start, and a different kind of failure Because one has only learnt to get the better of words For the thing one no longer has to say, or the way in which One is no longer disposed to say it. And so each venture Is a new beginning, a raid on the inarticulate, With shabby equipment always deteriorating In the general mess of imprecision of feeling, Undisciplined squads of emotion. And what there is to conquer By strength and submission, has already been discovered Once or twice, or several times, by men whom one cannot hope To emulate - but there is no competition - There is only the fight to recover what has been lost And found and lost again and again: and now, under conditions That seem unpropitious. But perhaps neither gain nor loss. For us, there is only the trying. The rest is not our business.” If I may I will repeat the final near perfection: Cut there is no competition - There is only the fight to recover what has been lost And found and lost again and again: "For us, there is only the trying. The rest is not our business.” Sentimental guff? A better quote from a Giant: "Become *Yourself*, then god and the devil don't matter" On yoyube you can find a conversation between the friend of a friend of mine and a huge prsesncesence from whom I was onc]e but feet away and it is entitled" The state of not knowing *Is* Intelligence, but it is not for amateurs
A therapist NEVER questions ones identity. They offer up ideas where that person asks their own question to answer. JP is an incompetent therapist at best. Unethical is most likely.
De-gayed. 😂 Funny choice of a word Dave.
😂😂😂
Define Degayed
@@jamesrimmer2784 De-gayed- The process by which a gay individual reverts to heterosexuality.
I thought the same thing😂
Aka Bisexual and chose a woman.
"de-gayed" reminds me of this African interview.
"why are you gay?", "you are male, attracted to females, so who's gay?" 😂
Pasta? OMG haha!
@@DanSmith142why are you GAE?
Who is gae? You ah gae! 😂
Haha “YOU AHH GAY”😂😂😂
*gae*
If you actually think that gay people can turn straight and that straight people can turn gay then I can't take you seriously at all.
Anything is possible. All disorders can be fixed, although some are extremely difficult.
@@chiragrulze First off, homosexuality isn't a disorder, it's a sexual preference. Secondly, it can't be changed. You're gay for life, just like you're straight or bi for life. Do the Internet a service and stay off of it!
Many people have left the gay lifestyle. Very easy to find such people. SSA may not be a choice but it may also be a result of trauma or identity developmental issues. Look it up, you may be surprised. Worst thing we ever did was tell people they were born that way.
@@smalltownhomesteadAC Literally not how it works at all. Same sex attraction is not a result of trauma, or a developmental disorder. You ARE born that way and there's nothing that can be done about it nor is there anything that needs to be done about it.
There may be people who "left" the gay lifestyle mostly because they're weak enough to let narrow minded idiots such as yourself shame them into thinking that it's bad. But all they're doing is lying to themselves while causing even more damage to their mental well-being.
@@smalltownhomesteadAC There is no correlation between homosexuality and trauma. I suggest you are actually the one who must do a research. Many gay individuals are perfectly healthy and happy and confident with themselves. It is simply a matter of personality and preferential difference on how we grew up and who we look up to and due to the constructs of our society. It is just a natural part of development. You are overthinking it too much. Just because, you are traumatized, you are more likely to be gay? That sounds like BS.
I had a gay barber who went thru conversion therapy to become straight. He thought it was working according to him but guess who I saw cruising around in a very cruise area for gay men? Uh huh
who?
Your father?
Lesbian professor Rosario Butterfield was saved by God out of a homosexual lifestyle.
Beckett Cook is a man also saved by God out of the homosexual lifestyle.
The Thessalonians in the Bible were called to repent.
@@berean1703 First Beckett Cook is practicing celibacy and still is very much attracted to men. Second the science behind female and male homosexuality are different so Beckett Cook should not be compared to the Lesbian professor. Third the Bible does condemn homosexuality but endorses also chattel slavery.
@@newjerseylion4804 You have listened too much to the cultural around you and you have never really looked at the biblical texts with regard to slavery.
Even Satan himself twisted scripture when the tried to tempt Jesus - so you need to be smarter and wiser.
It is Christianity that states that all men are image bearers of God! Therefore all humans have worth.
It was the Christians in Britain (William Wilburforce) that first campaigned to pass laws to outlaw slavery. Furthermore the British Navy was founded to enforce the law to stop human slavery.
As the Christianity has diminished in Britain, so corrupted and evil have increased!
Using the word “degayed” seriously in a conversation is the most unserious thing I've heard all week😂
Only because you wrongly dismiss the reality that someone can abandon a previous sexual behavior. The joke is on you.
@@ranman7688uhhh, no? Homosexuality is not a “sexual behavior”. I bet you’re a homophobic straight man commenting on something you have no idea about or experience of. Rather hypocritical.
doubt @@ranman7688
Nah bro, calm down.
The statical likelihood of ‘the word’ is so low that it’s funny.
Also it’s a unique word on a very ‘sensitive’ topic is also funny.
No jokes for you i’m afraid
I have a buddy who in highschool couldn't really connect with women or have longstanding relationships with them, in 2021 he came out as 🏳️🌈 and got into a bad relationship, by 2022 he broke up with the guy, joined the coptic ☦️ church, and has successfully "de-gayed" himself and is hoping to someday marry a woman from his church which is primarily composed of immigrants from 🇪🇬 and other areas of the middle east and africa because western women are so crazy
Reading these comments, it becomes apparent who Peterson's true audience is.
oooooohhhh yeeeesss I've known fro a while now 😂
Yeah its interesting how “anti-woke” and “anti-SJW” has evolved since 2014 (Gamergate). It used to be about things like “the woke left wants to ban video games and Halloween costumes” or they’re “offended by everything”… fair enough. There was some truth to all that. But now its like “Woke SJWs believe in equal rights for homosexuals, women, minorities etc.”. Ironically, it proves that the SJWs were right all along
Yep, don't even have to say it twice. So common in this current era of online discourse we ae in.
I wonder if JP knows 🤔
Who?
Being homossexual is not a choice. Bigotry, false moralism and use of religion as a hidding place is.
You sound pretty bigoted 😅
@@dharma6525religion is a lie. God does not exist. Jesus was a false prophet and deluded mystic. Sorry the truth hurts.
@@MB-nx9tq not that much. God can be a lot of things
It’s not a choice, but a result of trauma. Fix the trauma, and the desires often go away. That is what people are referring to. The LGTB lied to everyone.
Everyone is bigoted unless you have no ideals which is sure hope you don’t cause then your just a mess, that’s what bigotry is btw the dogmatic belief in something if you believe racism is always bad your a bigot
Peoples refusal to acknowledge bisexuality really muddies down this conversation.
bisexuality erasure is a thing. That is our ultimate sexuality.. even the 'straightest' of them all will do some questionably g*y things under certain circumstances.. all humans possess it, even if only a slight degree.
A man in his mid 40s cycled past me on a young girl's pink bike yesterday, with stabilizers. Pink hair, in bunches, little dress on, Hello Kitty backpack... Nobody dared bat an eyelid. Weirdly, I was mentally ill during much of my youth, I drank and took drugs. It only "improved" when society became crazier than me. Now I consider myself a completely sane individual. Thanks everyone else! 😅
Sounds like Portland, Oregon lol
Did that man hurt you or anybody else? Was he rude or offensive to anyone? No? Didn't think so. It only hurt your precious little feeling, you adorable snowflake.
@@johnnylebay2059 Yes he is hurting people. Society is dissolving, and as long as he's acting this way he'll be no use to anyone. I have no idea why severe mental illness is being encouraged and protected by law, but you or anyone else won't convince me that this isn't wrong. It isn't his fault, I feel desperately sorry for him. He is a victim.
@@wilko871 how do you know he's no use to anyone? How do you know he's not gainfully employed? How do you know he's not in a loving relationship? You don't. You're just scared of him because he dresses the way he wants to dress which is different from what you think is normal. You'll get it eventually.
@@johnnylebay2059 Because he's 45 and riding a tricycle in a dress on a Tuesday afternoon. I know.
Do people in the comments know what bisexuality is?🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Every human being is capable of bisexuality. The fact that one identifies themselves as bi or not depends on the open-mindedness.
@@user-jv2lp5pn2tevery human being is capable if they’re not in tune with Jesus. Jesus is like a healing agent. He can heal you
@@user-jv2lp5pn2t No it doesn't lmao 😂
@@user-jv2lp5pn2t I am not a bisexual, I’m interested by women only
No some of us aren’t insane and don’t subscribe to these strange labels you people make up out of thin air
I'm bi, but I knew my loyalty would always be determined by who I fell in love with. And I fell in love with an amazing woman and have never looked back, being bi is still part of who I am, but I chose her.
Finding someone cute/beautiful etc vs finding someone "sexually" attractive are two different things thou. Idk you and I don't want to infer anything beyond what you posted here, and so this sounds to me like a straight man that is fine with finding other, same sex ppl, beautiful. Nothing wrong with that. Beauty and physical appearance ain't all there is anyway.
@@just2botheru That’s a reasonable response to my comment. I find it Commendable. But my opinions on. People that swing both ways when it suits them hasn’t changed.
@@just2botheruor he is just bisexual? I’m sure he knows his feelings better than you do. Bisexuality is very much a real thing lol
@@just2botheru are u dumb
That’s amazing. Remember that those feelings are rooted in the fallen human nature. Jesus is like a healing agent. He can heal you of all the trauma you experienced
It would make more sense for everyone else to just accept they're gay
Why use the lying euphemism gay rather than homosexual, or sewerite or sewerism which is a filthy anti-natural perversion.
Not if goes against gods law
@@brandonneumann5294 lol
@@brandonneumann5294well that's got nothing to do with you then has it. You're not a god
@@brandonneumann5294 You've mispelled "Allah"!
Dave is asking for himself 🤣
🤣
Asking for a friend.
So what??
@@FriendofDorothy it’s funny.
Turn the volume up and you can probably hear him curse under his breath😄
They’re called bisexuals
That's BS
@@lanehappel4291You think bisexuals don’t exist..?
@@papatrudell7731 yes
@@papatrudell7731 name 1 bisexual person above the age of 40
No. Jesus found them.
I've never met a person who "de-gayed" (lol what a term), but I met someone who had previously been in gay relationships who found that they were bisexual, but hetero-romantic. Meaning that they found people from both genders attractive, but only found interest in relationships with the opposite sex.
That genuinely made the entire world dumber
@@MarioEstevez-re1us who?
@@MarioEstevez-re1usYou guys literally believe the world was made in six days and is flat.
@@connorscanlan2167 I dont believe that but even if I did like LOL right? but why would that matter ? why would that make any difference if they believed that?
do you believe that men can become women? if you do then you believe because someone with authority made that sh*t up and then becuase they have that authority you have decided to adopt that belief and that at that point how is that ANY DIFFERENT then believing something in the Bible?and Ill help you out --it's not . but please tell me why I'm wrong. please tell me pretty please
@@MarioEstevez-re1us So you have no idea what gender is.
I'll let you in on a secret: this has been around since before the time of the Buddha. I know your kind think the Bible was written in English and Adam and Eve were created in America, but I promise you the world has existed for longer than you think.
Therapists don’t push their own political views in their clients
Since when questioning is the equivalent of pushing an agenda on someone?
@@reginamemoriesforever-vc8ql he is outspokenly biased against transgenders, he should not be providing therapy to them
@@reginamemoriesforever-vc8qlSince therapists like Peterson started questioning the norms under which they are forced to operate.
They do all day long. You mean they shouldn’t
They shouldn't anyway. But in both Canada and the US they are legally obligated to. They will lose their license if they don't push the prevailing political view, regardless of whether or not the therapist holds that view.
I just keep hearing Tatoo yelling, "Degayed! Degayed!"
😂😂😂
I would like to know what Jordan Peterson thinks about the “proper” role of gays in a free society given that historically, when gays become more prominent, societies often crumble, i.e. Greece, etc. please excuse me. I mean no offense. I probably didn’t word that right
😂
@@Lori-xt2lfthat was savage. As a guy who studied Greek and Roman history very nice haha
Conservatives call it Conversion Therapy. Just hetero washing.
I had a uncle who actually was gay and at 40 got married and have children now he is 80 and happily married
So he is bisexual
@@garrett3726or, he changed. It’s just crazy that your worldview doesn’t allow for things that you emotionally disagree with.
@@AndrewiznerYou cant change sexuality, thats a known fact. Look at gay conversion therapy, it only makes gays become abstinent. The American education system is terrible based on these comments. About 10% of all mammal species are gay, you ggods made it normal.
@@Andrewizner if a person feels attraction to the same gender up to 40s then Maries an opposite gender it's most probable of them being bi.
Because no one would willingly go through struggles of gay people just to mary a woman.
@@Andrewizneryou can't change who you are attracted to you can just choose not to act on it.
One of my wife’s family friends was gay, and no one was surprised when he came out after high school. He and my wife grew up like siblings until middle school. He had many long term relationships through the years and when he was about 30-35 he kind of dropped off the grid for awhile. About a year later he contacted my wife and invited us to his wedding. We all assumed it was to another man, Nope. He had been dating a woman and had a 2 month old daughter. We were all confused and he told my wife he had never been more happy than he was with her and their daughter. He talks to my wife a lot, she finally asked him what happened and what changed. He said that he was at work and his now wife became very close friends and found himself attracted to her in ways he never felt before. He actually told my wife he is repulsed by his past relationships. Not sure why this happened and I guess he was “degayed” lol.
The man is just bisexual and confused.
Sin and it’s consequences
@@freegracerevivalget over yourself... are you gay?
bro thats bisexual. he just didn't discover.
So a bisexual man then... Okay
That was the most eloquent way to say “a very horny and forward gay man sexually harassed a simpleton into thinking he’s gay” 😂😂
It was a 14 year old guy in the most chaotic stages of puberty. the gay guy hitting on him was probably trying to "convert" him.
I know several gay people 1 girl and 1 guy both gay for a decade. The girl stated she was straight after a decade and the guy got married and is so in deep love with his wife
Thats a strange story to tell your wife. But if she loves you it is what it is.
probably an act
Might just be bi.
@@nuknukisdeadthere are countless instances of people who believe they are straight. They marry, have kids and then realise they are gay. If they are famous the gutter press destroys their character and treats the wife and kids as victims. Why do you find it difficult to believe the opposite can also happen?
Why an act and why bi? Why not straight??
Pay attention. The easily most important part of this, before it gets nonsensical and bitter, is when he simply answers "no"
It is strange to tell a therapist they can’t question their clients beliefs about themselves, because the whole reason you go to a therapist is because you want to change your mental state. I.E. I feel or think this way, and I want to feel or think differently. It’s either conversion or it isn’t working.
A mental state is not the same as identity.
You know some people can be bi too? Straight people can't choose to not be gay, but if you're bi I could see how you might be able to suppress that part of yourself since you're still genuinely attracted to the opposite gender.
I wouldn't recommend it though, I'm much happier living my truth as a bi man. Denying that part of myself only caused me misery. If you feel like you have an attraction to more than just the opposite gender, you owe it to yourself to be honest with your feelings. It will set you free.
Please provide a shred of evidence that gay identifying men are not attracted to women?
(And for the purposes of this question I am a Nazi or whatever you kids call ppl who disagree with you these days)
Nothing wrong with loving someone of your own gender, but there is something wrong with denying the gender you were born as
Good thing no one does that
99% of homosexuals dont deny their gender yet they receive 90% of the hate thats misdirected towards them
It isn’t denying the gender you were born as. Transmen/ women people acknowledge they have female/male chromosomes and therefore their s*x is male/female, but gender is based on a neurochemical phenomenon. Trans just means opposite and for trans people this means their sex and gender do not align.
I did! A very close family friend. He literally became straight, got married to a woman, genuinely speaks in favour of how one can become straight with the correct interventions and spiritual help. These are his words, by the way. So yes, I have met someone who successfully "de-gayed".
Edit:
Too many comments to reply to each individually 😅 All I want to say is:
1. I believe we're all entitled to our own opinions. You do you. And I *will* do me.
2. It does shock me, however, to see how many people believe you can change your whole gender but somehow you can't change the gender you're attracted to. That seems quite inconsistent to me.
3. For people who believe one should be entitled to live out one's own sexuality, it's strange to see how people refuse to believe the man I speak of has chosen to turn away from being gay. It's like you so badly want him to stay in the Alphabet club, you cannot accept that *he* feels otherwise about *his own life*. Strange.
4. My comment is definitely not a lie 😊 He was also a former drug addict. He now runs a rehabilitation programme. I'm sure you'll have no problem believing he could change that major part of himself, but you somehow have a problem believing he could change his sexuality.
5. I wish that the LGBTQ+ club would accept that not everyone is for them without turning all opposition into an enemy. By you being for it, means that you oppose my value system. I don't consider you an enemy for that. I really believe we can live harmoniously in spite of our opposition, so long as you don't try to force me into conforming to your views. Let's not turn all things into a war.
Okay, that's it from me, boys and girls. Thank you to the people who believe someone can change. I'm sure we've all been at a point in our lives where we wished to change in some way or the other for the better. Don't take that privilege away from someone else. This is his better.
What a poor woman that married him. I wonder if she knows. Many people try to live in denial and spread their misery by telling others they can go back in the closet too. See how happy they are in 5 years. It will be a trainwreck of a marriage.
@ChrisMinusHumour I knew there would be someone who would say something like this, but I posted it anyways, because despite your negative heart, there are people who turn away from something they believed they were trapped in, and they feel free for it. They've been together for over 13 years 😊
@tamlynadolph183 The longer they are together, the sadder I feel for the wife. Keeping a wife just to avoid perceived humiliation is pretty cruel. If he feels free propping up a false family to cover up his sexual orientation, go ahead. It is not sustainable but live in misery if you wish.
I noticed you didn't mention any children, I bet that will be a difficult hurdle for any closetted gay man.
@ChrisMinusHumour Two children, very happy at that. Not closeted at all. Everyone knew he *was* gay.
I understand it must be difficult for you to understand. Especially when if you wish it was not possible for people to change. I'm sorry you feel that way and pray that you find your own healing. Be blessed.
@@justtam321 Oh no, the poor children also. They will all be devastated when the family breaks up. He can't go back in the closet forever. This man is certainly in the closet with a beard wife and kids. Very sad situation.
I can certainly understand. It is a very general statement that I don't think people can change. Changing inherant parts of your psychology is not possible as Jordan Peterson said. The evidence of reality indicates sexual orientation cannot be changed. I hope you find help for your religious fanaticism and gullible beliefs.
this is fascinating to me, I'm not gay but I am an addict so I have to deny myself every day to be socially acceptable and to "get on" in life. It's much easier since I found my faith in God ❤
Same ❤️🙏
@@northernlights27 ❤🙏
@@believer80 are you denying yourself of the people you're attracted to tho?
Not kink shaming tho bro
Focus on the family , a Christian organization, has a ministry just for people who want to come out of the gay lifestyle. Those who work there are people who have succeeded in this struggle.
I'm not judging just wanting to offer helping needed.
What exactly are you calling god?
“And went on to live a completely functioning life” did I hear that part right?
Was waiting for this, that part made me laugh. 😅
Astounding ignorance. Jordan Peterson is this biggest fraud getting around these days.
Dave Rubin's high level ideas, we are just too small to understand.
Sure you did. That's why someone goes to a psychotherapist, right? Because they have problems. Completely functioning just means that they have their problems under control.
Whether or not the same thing would also be a major problem for something else or not is irrelevant.
I guess he means, that it wasn't some unhealthy supression of sexuality, like some traumatizing types of conversion therapy.
I have a lesbian friend that gave up the life to be asexual. I also have gay friends that lead completely functioning lives as a couple.
This is a joke right?
athsumerius cant wrap his head around this concept
People can be lesbian and asexual. Romantically attracted but not seeking sex
Asexual isn’t mentioned that much
@@andybray9791
Asexual is mentioned all the time under its clinical name: depression.
I have been successful, solely with the Holy Spirit's assistance, in discarding what can be described as my gay identity. I now identify solely as a Christian.
Hahaha you traded a sexual orientation for a religious belief. The reality is denial and Christianity but you can focus on the religious aspect if that helps you through life. Are you magically attracted to women now?
You're still gay, you know it. God is just a construct. Forget that mess and be yourself
@@paulg6274 You're confusing the word 'gay' with same-sex attraction, which I come across from time to time but don't act on as gay people do. I am very much myself, a content, happy person and don't have time to waste on frivolous endeavours.
I have known God for all my life and find it sad that you view Him as a social construct.
The gay lifestyle is a great mess and you know it. Getting to know God involves order and a whole lot of positive things, love being over-arching.
@@afribearBut if you love someone how are you just supposed to ignore that? That’s sad
@@Rosie33Sophia you are being presumptuous. My personal experience of gay relationships showed me many times that it's a poor copy of what love should be. THAT is sad. I love my life, I am fulfilled and have never been happier.
A friend's uncle felt ssa for a number of men as a teenager and young adult but decided never to act on it. ended up marrying three times to women (widowed twice, for cancer and a car accident), had 8 kids total.
8 children ?! That's one hell of a carbon footprint he's responsible for.
@@ChristoferKelly really?? that's the direction your mind goes during THIS conversation? really?
turns out, the more people who're living on this planet at a time, the less we die of terrible deaths from weather or warfare or even awful disease. the better life gets for everyone the bigger our population grows. the more we can help each other make and build and grow and cure.
overpopulation is a stupid myth perpetuated by people who hate themselves.
That’s called being bisexual
@@ChristoferKelly Even though it's sarcasm it seems out of place. You put your finger on a trigger to me. 😆
so is he straight completely now?
Jordan personally hasn't seen anyone go from gay to straight.
But there are plenty of examples right here on UA-cam.
I personally listened to a radio interview with a guy who used to be gay. He was a strong gay advocate and was the head of the LGBT movement in his university.
He said he had to visit a councillor on one occasion and the meeting with the councillor took an unexpected twist. They got into the subject of his childhood and events that took place then. He said the more counciling he got and the more he discussed troubling events when he was younger, the less "gay" he started feeling.
At the time of the radio interview, about 10 years after he left university, he was happily married to his wife and they had children.
He says he no longer has any gay feelings or urges at all.
It happens all the time. in fact most grow out of it before ever adopting the lgbt identity. we just dont talk about it cause the second you say you no longer have such urges at all, both fervent anti gay and pervent pro gay people shame us saying "whattt you used to be a f*g" then dont wanna be friends or "oh honey stop it youre a total queen. dont deny your identity!"
its disgusting.
its insane that while salvation is totally possible, not only no one wants it, but they hate to see others have it too.
@@johnnoon9999Could you please show me One single scientific evidence about Simeone changing his/her sexual orientation?
@@daanper8994You just need to listen to the people themselves, why do you need scientific research?
I think SSA and Androgeny are symptoms of childhood sexual abuse, early sexualization or a weak male/female identity. The entire movement was started by people who have no sexual boundaries, look up Moira Greyland.
I'm gay and I know it's impossible 👍🏻
I know a gay man who successfully "de-gayed". He's now married to a woman and has 2 children. He describes is as being a recovered alcoholic.
Interesting, considering that for many recovered alcoholics the desire is still there but they just learn how to supress it. So no, being married and having children doesn't say anything about your sexual attractions.
hopefully he was just bisexual and chose to marry a woman, instead of a man? it’s impossible to change sexuality but many people do try to suppress it. it wasn’t uncommon back then for homosexual men and women to force themselves into heterosexual relationships - i don’t understand why a modern man or woman would do this though.. if he’s 100% homosexual then i feel very sorry for his wife 😬
@@vichomangiola But it says a lot about your moral convictions.
Your sexual orientation only refers to whom your feel sexually and romantically attracted to. People can choose to ignore their feelings of sexual and romantic attraction for a variety of reasons, but that doesn't change their sexual identity. An heterosexual guy who decides to be a priest and takes his vows of chastity may choose to never touch sexually a human being again and to never nurture any romantic feelings, but that doesn't make him any less heterosexual.
The guy you know may have chosen to never engage in sexual or romantic behavior with other men, and he may very well find that choice to be worth the pain and struggle, because with it he gained a family he loves. But not following up on his feelings and desires doesn't make them less real, and living with a woman and having sex with her doesn't mean he genuinely and passionately loves her romantically and feels physically attracted to her.
Humanity has had - and still has - hundreds of cultures in which not marrying a person of the opposite gender and having children is simply not an option; millions of homosexual people were and are pressured into arranged heterosexual marriages, including hundreds of nobles and royals that HAD to produce heirs whether they like it or not - like Edward II of England that had multiple homosexual long term partners but still manage to do his duty and have 4 children with his wife. And heterosexual people are known to develop homosexual relationships in contexts were they habmve no contacts with people from the opposite gender for a very long time - because it's human to still crave physical and emotional intimacy.
The question we should be asking is whether we want a society in which people primarily marry for love and everyone deserves a shot at choosing a spouse the are in love with and attracted to; or whether we want a society in which we marry primarily for other reasons - like financial stability and child rearing. 'Conversion therapy' is only worthwhile in the second kind od society.
Lies.
It's not a choice.
I was till Jesus came into my life and it’s been 5 years now!
Similar experience 🙏
You still are
@@ShepardfortheLord keep thy crown brother in The Lord!
@@ca8547Thanx bro, will do 😇
@@jasonjames6870If delivered from demonic spirits of homosexuality & healed of other underlying reasons for sexual identity confusion e.g. sexual abuse, lack of nurturing relationship with father etc, then can be set free.
Well,I have a friend who was sexually abused when he was a boy and ended up as a homosexual crossdresser. Once he had some kind of epiphany while listening to a priest. He says he had to struggle with those unwanted desires,that he finally abandoned that lifestyle,enrolled in law school and have been married for the last 15 years. He and his wife have now two children. How come a man can become a "woman" but a gay man cannot decide and become a straight one if he so wishes?
Carlos
It's hormones
Mental issues or lost sight of reality
Society and social media encouraging it saying its ok when it's not
Potentially something in the food/ water source (don't laugh maybe true)
most of the times gay men who "become" straight haven't really changed their sexualities.
they simply went back into the closet to fit in society due to external pressures.
it's not a coincidence that 9 times out of 10, it has to do with religious doctrine first and foremost
Because you can only go one way -> deviant and insane. Try to heal your mind and soul and suddenly you're "repressed" and "denying your true identity."
what the fuck are you actually saying? whose stopping gay men from identifying as straight. He might be bisexual considering he has a wife but he sure as hell not straight. weird how you mention him being sexually abused as it has any ties to him being gay though. People aren't turned gay.
Thank God that he came to light from these deviations
Rosaria butterfield, former lesbian queer studies professor, became a Christian and went straight, married a man and had kids.
Would LOVE to see Dave interview her. Or Jordan
It seems to be quite different with women.
Plenty of gay men I've seen. Their being gay is so ingrained into their psychology and physiology. Their attraction to women is at best, forced for normalcy.
Meanwhile, women who are lesbian, usually it's of some negative experience or trauma with men and they simply can never or strong averse to ever going back to men. That, or they have this sort of label or symbolism that they feel being lesbian is challenging a wrongness they feel in the world, and heavily commit to it.
Others are like transgender people, they are butch females, masculine and feel they need to emulate a man in every way including being into women, and these women never seemed authentic... when me as a man gets flirted, molested and hit on by supposed lesbians.
Very few lesbians I seen just be authentically so, vs gay men, who the vast majority are unquestionably so.
Sure a lot of bisexual people confuse being one or the other too... again.
Who told you that"osaria butterfield, former lesbian queer studies professor, became a Christian and went straight, married a man and had kids," and why do you believe them?Just naturally passive and credulous or american?
So she probably bisexual cool story. 😅
@@vhawk1951klit’s in her autobiography. Dunking on Americans while too stupid to perform a google search… lmao
@@Jayremy89I would say homosexuality can almost always be traced back to some form of childhood trauma, whether male or females
So who is gae?
I can name four “de-gayed” people off the top of my head. You should talk to the other side more.
Agreed. Homosexuals are finding healing but no one wants to suggest such a thing.
@@premonitions1390 It's healthy to be a heterosexual? Gosh, I just have to take a quick look at the news and see plenty of stories detailing disgusting heterosexual acts of rape, torture and murder.
@@premonitions1390homosexuals do not find “healing”. It’s impossible. All the so called “ex-gay” organization are scamming people for money and fear. Many people die at the hands of those scammers.
If only you knew the suicidal rates in such organizations, you would have known the truth. But God hid the truth from you so you can be arrogant and hateful.
They’re still gay.
@@premonitions1390they’re healing from the years of abuse, violence, and discrimination from people who think they’re broken and an insult to god.
He forgot to preface with “asking for a friend”
I read an article a few years ago where two men said they used to be homosexual but through conventional therapy eventually their attraction to men decreased and they developed a new attraction for women, resulting in them being attracted to both sexes, but with a stronger attraction to women than men.
may i ask what was their name?
@@shahbaziab6584 the article kept their identity hidden.
My friend was gay and God delivered him.
Delivered him a hot guy???
That's awesome!
Ew. You can’t stop being gay. It’s impossible. That would require someone to choose gay which again is impossible.
Your friend is still secretly gay.
Tell me, why the fuck would God care about that? People are raping and torturing each other every day but God cares about people being gay? This is such a non-issue. Stop acting like being gay is some kind of destructive disease or something. Get some sense
I’ve never known anyone who “de gayed” per se, but I have known people who have had homosexual experiences and relationships and went on to get married and live a traditionally heterosexual lifestyle without any issue. It’s honestly not that weird, IMO. People grow and change all the time.
Do you know how many straight women and men who had never had at least one homosexual sign in their lives came out as gay at 25 or at their late 30s and lived as gay for the rest of their lives?Search coming out at 25 or even 30 after being married to a man or woman and only liking the opposite gender!Noones 100% straight!Most straight people don't know what they want till they Are 30 just because they suppress their emotions because they fear society!So search that and tell me how many lesbians and gay men you saw coming out even after 10 years of being married to the opposite sex!"straight" is outdated!Most of you will find out you are bi or gay at some point in your life! It's just a fear that's stopping you that you'll get past later in your life,when society becomes more inclusive and accepting! It's just a matter of time because i have seen tons of "" 100% straight people""realise they are gay later in life and live their gay best life after that!So you should stop coming for gay people because that might be you later in life
Yes it's called being biesexual or curious. Not that deep and far more common than you religious creatures think.
@@vleaky3430 I’m not religious at all.
It’s almost as if you can like both men and women?? Also, experimentation is fine and normal
@@vleaky3430You don’t have to be religious to believe that.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 "... and such WERE some of you ..." Past tense, so some of the Corinthian Christians had formerly been homosexual and had repented.
Because every word of the Bible is demonstrably true. Especially the parts about the Earth being 6000 years old and all that.
The Holy Spirit can transform hearts. I’ve seen it more than JP has!
@@Ricocossa1 The Bible doesn't claim that and the patriarchal ages are clearly chosen for narrative purpose. From Adam to Moses they add up to 12,600, a numerologically important number to the Hebrews. Back in that time, actually recording literal ages wouldn't have fit into their cultural practices.
The point being if we're going to pick and choose which passages to interpret literally, then we can't refer to the bible to claim that homosexuality can be “cured.” You can't have your cake and eat it too.@@Konxovar0
Or in simpler terms, I think it makes more sense to listen to a psychologist over such matters than to base our whole understanding of homosexuality on one interpretation of one word in one sentence in a book, no matter the religion you may prefer.@@Konxovar0
I have absolutely witnessed people who's sexual preference was the same sex and when they gave their life to Jesus they chose through His strength and cleansing and all things new, to turn their thoughts from that and be what they were born at birth and be much much more at peace🙌🏻 True story✝️
Yo notice the lengths to which you go avoid using the apt term homosexual?
People are born gay. You don't seem to get that.
@@SWLinPHX For people to be*born* homosexual there would have to be a homsexual gene and tere is *not*, so they are not.
It may be that some are born predisposed to being easily perverted but nobody could possibly be *born* homsexual and I notice that you avoid the truthful term homosexual so use the lying euphemism 'gay' because you are ashamed of your perversion as are all paraphiliacs; why else would you employ a lying euphemism(and *all* euphemisms are lies)?
@@SWLinPHX It simply*cannot possibly* be true that anyone is ever born homosexual, because homosexuality, is completely and utterly pointless, which is why buggery and sodomy are completely unknown in animals
Search up bisexuality lol
What? But I always hear about Jordan being a fascist alt-right bigot. He’s not defending conversion therapy? He had gay patients? It almost sounds like he’s moderate and normal
I de gayed. It’s a choice. I chose it for years, gave my life to Christ and married a woman.
❤
Praise the Lord for you my brother!
Rofl
@@Kevin-tt5ey Inshallah, praise Allah, the one and only TRUE god!
You must be really miserable tho?
Little Richard. And he was vocal about it and wanted people to know it's possible and a choice. And he had intensely gay traits in is manner and style.
Gay traits in his manner…lol who talks like that
@@user-pq7jj3vs3e A Liar that's who.
I have a good friend who was a lesbian for over 20 years. She decided on her own she wanted out. Got counseling and went straight and has never looked back. It’s been nearly 20 years. Or there’s Rosaria Butterfield. I heard counselors talking before that for a segment of gay men, when you deal with their father issues from childhood, their same sex attraction just goes away. It’s definitely not unheard of. But of course, the militia does not want this out there. They want you to think change is impossible, as if it’s in your DNA. It’s not.
Well studies do show DNA influences it significantly. Same with other biological factors like prenatal envionrment, birth order, brain structure. So biology does play a large role. Also conversion therapy had been practiced for centuries and research shows that it is highly ineffective. In some cases, sexuality especially among women does spontaneously change though it's not due to voluntary actions. Also your friend could just be bisexual. If we ran a brain scan on her, she probably would still show arousal to women
@@SNP2082 the majority of homosexuals were SA'd as children, it's inconvenient to the lgbtq cult but they know it's the truth
@@SNP2082Shane Gillis put it best in his special (as a joke with some truth). Basically he said being gay may not be a choice; but when you look at groups who have a hard time with choices (mentally challenged), you rarely see one who doesn't love the ladies. 😂
Lol, that’s not evidence of what you think it is. If you have deep seated desires to be straight from moral beliefs then you can brainwash yourself into being whatever you want.
In ancient Greece it was considered normal and even desirable and societal standards meant adult men would pair up with young boys in homosexual relationships - left to their own devices these men would not have had these desires but societal norms meant that otherwise “straight” men were clearly pressured to be gay. Gay child abusers even.
Your sexual attractions are not choices or logical deductions - you like who you like. Your friend just brainwashed herself. You shouldn’t need counselling or need to work hard to be attracted to someone. Unless it’s not real
When you are talking about desire-people can desire all sorts of things. People can change their taste buds. People become aroused by fetishes, which are clearly not natural-50 shades of unnatural…or more. I’m not saying same sex attraction is a fetish, but I am saying that those who think you cannot change your preference for certain things really really doubt the power of the human psyche. It is not easy, no doubt-but a human through the power of their mind can decide to eat only meat one day, eat this way for ages, and then turn around and become strict vegan and be completely repulsed by animal products. Their are ways to tame the desires of the body-and good thing, we can’t accept as a society the idea people are so controlled by their impulses and urges that we permit something like rape or pedophilia, or beastiality. We can observe many things as human scientist, but we are still pretty bad at understanding attraction at even a basic level (which is easily observable by the evidence).
One of the hardest things in this life is to live authentically in society. These Conversations make it just that much harder because the people that find you yucky for just being you see you as not only yucky, but lazy and immoral, because “you can change.” There is no evidence that someone can change their sexual identity, but overwhelming evidence that you are much better off accepting yourself. I am tired of the people that find me yucky telling me how to live my life.
You’ve completely missed the point here. Jordan is saying clearly gays can’t be converted. But to oppose trans ideology is illegal even though it’s what they need
@@liams4728 how do he or anybody else know what somebody need. y’all have to stop trying to control other peoples lives
@@jameltandersonyou missed the point too. A physiologist or mental healthcare professional of your choosing cannot legally question a patient, even if the patient doesn’t understand and may feel pressure in other environments where they cannot think through choices or actions easily. Those people can be pressured into a permanent decision medically.
You should question everything, talk things out with a professional willing to challenge you with healthy methods to get you to flesh out and firm your understanding of yourself.
Loving yourself as you are is bullshit fluff spewed by well intending people who don’t care if you’re not sure about who you are.
@@indiacompany4573 no I understand the “point” I’m just not letting people move the goal post these people DON’T really care about protecting kids from themselves it’s a scapegoat for their dislike of other/lgbt people this is the just the most recent example. It used to be don’t ask don’t tell DOMA and gay marriage now it’s drag queens ,bathrooms, and sports. There will ALWAYS be another reason because it’s not the root cause. They don’t like like gay people and will find any reason to go against them or try to control them.
@@indiacompany4573well said
For anyone who doubts the "born this way" narrative, research Dr. Joseph Nicolosi's discussions of his casework. Hone in on the part where he describes how the APA systematically refused to view his casework because it would offend gay activists.
Btw, I'm 100% for same-sex attracted people being involved with any consenting adult, and I support their safety and dignity.
However, I _hate_ suppression of information.
well there are many "gays" who met the Lord and changed their lives . All you have to do is search the internet
Search the internet ahahahahah
Is your IQ really THAT slow?
I am a 29 year old who has gone through this. I’ve “De-gayed” and I’ve never been happier. It’s truly a miracle. It’s the best thing that has happened to me.
In hindsight, homosexual urges and relationships felt miserable compared to heterosexual ones. I can’t imagine ever being with a guy again.
Life can finally begin.
This homosexuality business.
I'll never understand it,
Is it quite polite to ask,
Which one is the arse,
And which the bandit?
Hmmm do I believe this
Then you most likely were never gay to begin with
You can't do that bro! You were bi and had a bigger inclination for women in the end! ok cool but don't say you were homosexual and now you are straight. I just hope you are not in denial and miserable
You were most likely confused bisexual, not a gay.
Jordan may not have met someone like that, but they certainly do exist.
@@xXxEstrellaOcultaxXx Yes, but there are countless testimonies out there. You only have to look with an open mind. I’m sure some of them may still struggle, but there are absolutely people who’ve made a 180. Why is that so hard to believe? If someone recognizes dysfunction in their life and they’re enlightened enough to explore the issue more deeply, why is it not possible for someone to change? Did you know that LGBQ individuals report an extremely high rate of sexual & emotional abuse as children compared to heterosexuals? There is an absolute correlation with early abuse & homosexuality, so wouldn’t it seem reasonable to consider the possibility of transformation?
I've met one who might be like that
The overwhelming evidence is that gay conversion therapy does not work, and there is actually more evidence that it causes harmful outcomes.
You are gay or not. Nothing in between. And I don't mean that bisexuals don't exist. You can't be gay and transform to straight. It is impossible. Sexuality is deeply rooted in our mind and spirit
you wanting them to exist doesnt mean that they do
Bisexuality is a thing. Probably the most common sexuality
Lmao being straight is the most common
Lmao being straight is the most common by far
Bisexuality exists. Not for most people tho….
Those are people are dealing with deep trauma. Remember Jesus can heal you. He’s like a healing age t
There's no way for you to know that most people aren't bisexual. No proof of this idea that most people are 100% hetero
Wrong. Sexual fluidity is a thing and a very well researched thing. By the way it’s not bisexuality, it is different. Bi is where you can go either way at any time, sexual fluidity is where you are completely gay but your preference change to straight, or completely straight to gay. It could also be being bi and then after time becoming completely straight or completely gay.
@@brandonneumann5294ahh yes another uneducated Christian, what a surprise
Yep. My son in-law had a child with my daughter and then a gay guy came on to him really strong and convinced him he was gay because he wanted him. My youngest daughter's first love left her for another girl, then got friend-zoned by her because she "decided" she wanted to be gay and led him down the path of transgenderism. He was seeing a therapist who convinced him to become a girl and he shot himself because not everyone would accept his decision. This was a kid who told me that could only happen to the weak minded. Peer pressure ends young lives. I miss that kid, and I hate these people for turning our kids inside out. We all used to talk about how everyone knows their sexuality already, because even babies get crushes on people. We've all seen it.
Anyone with a brain knows that we are designed perfectly. 1 man and 1 women. Nothing more nothing less. Lgbt is the new social experiment on 21st century human beings. Every generation had a social experiment in the 60s it was birth control racism etc.
This is called bisexuality mate
I did. He was a friend older than me that traveled and came back with a wife and kids
is he actually completely straight?
@@shahbaziab6584 well seems like that.. who knows.. in his youth he was homosexual as it can get. Hanging out with truck drivers in rest areas.. then he suffer and episode were 2 o 3 guys in the route hurt him with a wooden stick truck drivers use to measure the tyres. After that he travelled out of town for some years until came back with a wife and kids..
@@javierechezarreta4623 well he could be bisexual or in closet, he shold say what he is
@@javierechezarreta4623 and now he claims he is completely straight?
Bisexual people exist
All things are possible through Christ, who strengthens us.
if god were real, i would assume he gives people sinful sexual desires so they can remain celibate and resist their temptation which would lead to holiness. not just randomly waiting until you decide to pray about it then he just degayifies you, but who knows, im not god
Standing on your own shoulders or beating the ace of trumps with an ordinary deuce are not possible through Christ and no more is removing from a table something that is not on that table rom that table.
God created queer people Himself in order to make our world diverse. He doesn’t want gay people to change, because that’s how He has created them. And it’s beautiful…
@@user-ss7zt1nt6r Do you believe in God? Genuine question because usually people who say this don't actually believe in God themselves but put forward this argument to convince Christians to adopt their views on homosexuality. I don't want to make any assumptions but this is usually the case. The concept of original sin and the fallen state of Mankind easily explains the existence of people who choose to live lifestyles in disobedience to God.
Except the New Testament is invalid and Christianity is a false religion of idolatry
It's a telling misdirection by Peterson who had an opportunity to just honestly answer a question even though he didn't love his own answer. But he moves onto creating controversy at lightning speed, instead of just living in the question at hand, living in that truth and exploring it.
I know of two men (who happen to be in my country) who were gay, then changed, went straight, got married to women, had children, and still lead straight lives. One is an artist, the other owned a dance school. I alo know someone who was straight, married twice, had three kids, and when in his 60's turned gay and moved in with a man.
That man is likely bisexual his whole life and did not "turn gay".
@@prettychords I wouldn't know.
All I do know, is what I've experienced for myself: before I reached puberty, I was completely ignorant about sexuality. I was a boy, and grew up with only boys, and girls were gross, and then the puberty switch webt on: all I could think of was girls. Until then, just mentioning anything remotely in the direction of sex was forbidden, and no one ever abused me, and apart from seeing only straight adult couples, no one ever told me that I had to like girls or have relations with them. Children are extremely easy to influence, and at that age, any suggestions, no matter how subttle, will influence thought pattern. Just look how many adult transgenders there are who regrets having tranformed. Sad thing is, no child today can experience the innocence I grew up with becuase they are atracked by influencersand molesters, and therefore their parents have to arm them against it at a very young age by teaching them about things they shouldn't be concerned with. Very sad.
What about Becket Cook?
From listening to Becket, seems he still struggles with a same sex attraction but he chose to not live like that because of his conversion.
Who gives a flip...😂the problem isn't gay people per se it's the law makers and hard core activist shoving that lifestyle down everyone's throat, most people are tolerant, and yeah you have a few unhinged out there who want them eliminated but personally i got bigger fish to fry😂..
It’s people like the gay couple who sued the baker in Colorado (who wouldn’t bake their wedding cake) that are the problem. Or the transgender who came in after and demanded a “transition cake” then sued when he wouldn’t bake it. You can’t force people to throw away their religious beliefs and accept your lifestyle
@@anonymousperson6119 Actually you can - the history of USSR, or any other kommie country is a clear example. But it leads to no good at all, so there's that.
@@user-yc5um2pl5v yes I know you “can” in the sense that it’s possible I’m aware of examples like that. When I said people “can’t” do that I meant it goes against the principles and laws this country was founded on, we don’t want to be like the USSR was. And in that particular case the court found the law didn’t allow them to do that
I used to think that until they started shoving their propaganda down me and my families throat. It’s almost like, whoever these activists are, are trying to make us all resent them and it’s working.
@@anonymousperson6119Thats due to laws in place that make it so that you can’t discriminate. The same way u can’t refuse to serve a black person because they are black, you can’t refuse to serve a gay couple because they are gay.
There is a significant difference between being straight and acting as one. Your sexual preference is not a choice; your sexual behaviour, is.
What sewerites/homosexualist s do inter se has nothing to do with sex or making new beings, so 'homosexual is something of an oxymoron. Homosexualism is clearly a manifestation of the sex function but can only be described as a malfunction of the sex function and thus pathological or some sort of disease, and on any view it is against nature which is why buggery and sodomy are wholly unknown in the animal kingdom-obviously because they are utterly pintles as are all paraphiliacs such as sewerites and homosexualists
The quueer odd, strange or peculiar thing is why the religion modernism and its followers modernists, seek to make sacred cows of various forms of paraphiliac such as sewerites and trans-sexualists and become near hysterical at the slightest suggestion that there may be something objectionable about paraphiliacs and paraphiliac practices such as sodomy and buggery.
Why do you suppose what you call sexual preferences to merit protected status rather than preferences to steal or injure?
Some prefer to bugger or sodomise and others prefer to steal or injure-Both are prefeences, but for some queer reason the religion modernism seems to regard preferences involving the sex organs to merit protected s status. Throughout its history or past the common law has - quite rightly set its face against and sought to penalise sewerite practices such as buggery and sodomites, whereas statute law has sought to give sodomites and buggers protected status, I think because the prevailing or official religion in English speaking nations or peoples, is the religion modernism for the purposes of which any manifestation of filthy anti-natural inclinations or predilections is regarded as sacred and sundry paraphiliacs as sacred cows. Astonishingly I even hard one devout modernist refer to " gay sex" seemingly blithely unaware that what sewerites do to one another-or rather what I am *told* they do to or with oneanother involving one of the sex organs could possibly have any thing to do with sex or the activity of brining about new human beings or sex. It is axiomatic that homosexual " sex" is an impossibility which is why buggery and sodomy are completely unknown in nature or the animal kingdom, the reason for that being that nature does nothing pointless and buggery and sodomy are as pointless as buggers sodomites and sewerites, which for some inexplicable reason the religion modernism regards as sacred cows, but not necrophiliacs or bestialists, but hey ho, modernism is an extremely queer religion indeed. Why pick on sewerites and fake women to be your sacred cows but not thieves murderers and fraudsters, if you really want to sanctify everything that is vile filthy and antinatural?
@@christopheryannatone4406 I am definitely not saying that, quite the contrary: "de-gayed" people marrying the opposite sex doesn't cease to have same sex attraction.
You can "decide" to prioritise something else over your own feelings or the other way around.
It's about your own acceptance, priorities and honesty with yourself, your partner and the world.
sexual attraction definitely 100% can be changed or altered. by choice or otherwise
You've been lied to.
@@natedog69420I agree. Not only can it be changed, it is constantly changing. What I liked at 19 isn't what I like at 29 and won't be what I like at 39.
JP there, never missing an opportunity to be transphobic and play the victim. He's consistent, I'll give him that.
How the hell is he being transphobic exactly?
He has literally made a career out of it, sis. Alluding to gender affirming surgery as conversion therapy is so fucking insulting i hardly know where to begin.
He is pissed cuz children are being mutilated and sterilized all in the name of inclusion and/or acceptance and we arent supposed to be appalled, outraged, or even question the idea. It seems to me that its the so-called "progressives" are the real bigots. As adults, do whatever you want. But when CHILDREN are taking hormone blockers, having their bodies cut on and mutilated, ensuring they will never have children....all before they can firmly know who they are or what they want in life is when all of this has gone to far. We don't allow children to drink alcohol, buy nicotine, gets tattoos, have sex, move out on their own, or even get piercings w/o written parental concent.....because we know scientifically, neurologically, emotionally, and psychologically they are immature and inept at making rational decisions for their overall wellbeing, but sure let little Timmy cut his dick off and poor Susie get a double mastectomy all before their brains and identity have solidified. Hell ive seen insane parents say their child is neither male or female at birth because they are allowing them to make that decision. The entire woke movement should be deemed and called out for exactly what it is....clinically insane and mentally unstable. I support adults (over 25) that have decided to live life as a transvestite but no one should ever accept, acknowlegde nor affirm a child trying to do the same. Our world is demonic (I'm not even a very religious person) but any sane, rational, logical and common sense bearing person knows this shit is abhorrent and fundamentally immoral. If you truly believe and feel you were "born in the wrong body" you need intense therapy to figure out why you can't love yourself and what has created such a disconnect from who and what you are. It's a mental illness, period. Ultimate form of insecurity and self hatred.
online conversion therapy actually worked for me, my parents forced me and I was like ok I can't change and then I started talking anout normal things in therapy and we did image therapy on trauma and my feelings eventually went towards women only.
😂😂😂 Denial ain't just a River in Egypt 😂😂😂
im so sorry your parents made you go through that
Bless your parents because being gay is total hell… 😢😢😢
@@reginamemoriesforever-vc8qlI can imagine, but the antidote to that is removing unfounded bigotry from society, not increasing it. Surely this must be evident by now
How old were you and how long was the therapy?
You always have a choice. If you say gays can't change then you have to give that standard of being unable change to people that like bestiality or incest or far worst sexualities. You're saying they can't change?
Its because people want to be delusional and culture centered. Any use of the mechanism of reproduction outside of reproduction natural parts (female-male) its pathological per se. Its just culture they try to shove on our faces
Okay, if they can than change your sexual orientation for a day.
Good, he never saw a gay man turn straight. Means that never happened...hallalujah! Let everyone be themselves!
sexuality is malleable in the sense that you can create or diminish attraction but eliminating it entirely is functionally impossible.
Becket Cook has an entire channel based on his own experience of conversion and has many guests who also found their way out.
"Found their way out"? I think you mean "found their way in... to the closet." If you can't convert your sexual orientation, why would you think anyone else can?
there’s no need for a “way out,” gayness is not some spiritual damning in need of an escape
Yeah, he’s lying 😂😂. He would ‘pitch a tent’ whenever he sees or is around an attractive man.
@@mizuslayeryes it is. It is disordered
I guess if a straight man can be converted to gay then the other way is possible too.
I suppose you would somehow have to leave the trauma of childhood molestation behind to do it successfully.
a silly and gross myth that is debunked by speaking to... any well adjusted gay individual who has never experienced anything of that sort.
@Megaultraawesome99 there are no well-adjusted gays. Gay is the very definition of out of adjustment.
@@Megaultraawesome99whats strange is that I've met a quite a few gay people at work or school that talk about having early sexual encounters. Like this girl I met that said she was born bisexual yet said she has been having sex since she was 8 or this guy I met that said he knew he was gay since he was 4 because he was aroused by men since that age then I asked him if he doesn't think it's unusual for a 4 year to experience arousal that's not normal. He ended the the conversation. Another common case I see are people who have very bad relationships with one of more of there parents or family members typically verbal and physical abuse.
@@kovarcoley8418 at the risk of seeming like i'm going back on what i said, it's just a false equivalence there (early traumas = homosexuality/bisexuality). to be anecdotal as well, you just would not believe the amount of straight women i know who were sexually assaulted by family members in early development. it really messed them up, but it didn't make them gay or anything. as far as that guy goes, i imagine it was just uncomfortable to speak of how his sexuality was at such a young age. to disagree with you, it's not even a question that arousal and even masturbation is can occur a good bit before puberty and adolescence, but it's a taboo subject because it's naturally uncomfortable to think children have that capacity. should it be encouraged or embraced? of course not, only a sicko would encourage such early sexuality, but it *does* spontaneously arise without their having to be some traumatic input, though early traumas certainly would exacerbate it. anyways, sorry for such a long reply, it's just that i don't necessarily see a correlation between the two things you put forward. sexual abuse in childhood is much more common of a thing than you or i might hope it to be, and i just don't see how it has anything to do with "breaking" a kid's orientation so to speak
@@wilfredruffian5002 i've met kind, generous, stable gays who have strong families and engage with their community. i've met straight men who are parasitic, sexually and domestically abusive, drug addicted sociopaths who contribute only suffering to this world. i'd say that of the two, the gays seemed quite well adjusted in comparison. all comes from the upbringing and in the cases i'm talking about, the gay individuals i've known who were well-adjusted had strong supportive parents who weren't repulsed and afraid by their child's sexual orientation.
Transgender people don't change their sexual orientation, just their gender
They don’t change their gender, just their look.
I know a few female friends that were lez back in the day but went to men and never looked back. But I've also had a couple friends that were hetero, had been married, had kids, and went lez much later in life. All of my male friends that were gay still are. But a couple of them were switch hitters to begin with so still go back and forth.
I don't know anyone who de-gay-ed and lived a successful life but i know many people who de-straight-ed and are living very successful and happy lives
@@ApollosHagman_17 Why are you choosing to sourround yourself with these people?
@@ApollosHagman_17i know adults who decided to engage in sex with Christians. That's just like having sex with animals
I find it hilarious that you people think it’s possible to change but only from straight to gay right?? You people are truly clowns.
It's appalling to read some of the comments where people are stating facts without any medical or psychological evidence and invalidating the opinion of psychologist who have years of practice and have come across different kind of humans and research
YES! 🙌🏻😂
The best comment!
Witnessing someone who was literally gay and then not be gay and get married and have children IS proof. How is it not? As a nurse, I’ve seen so many miracles that aren’t explainable in medical terms, how is this any different?
Welcome to UA-cam, or any other online platform for that matter, where stupidity reigns because even the dumbest have access to the online network now.
Many Christians are generally hateful people who love to abuse others. And they love to lie, as evidenced by the comments. I thought that was a sin?
There is no such thing as an ex gay, just people being taught to be ashamed and pressured to hide the fact theyre gay.
Yes I have - he was close to 50 when he met a woman, got married was completely contented.
If you are actually gay, you can’t one day decide that you not gay anymore that is exactly how it’s does not work that’s the problem(when people say it is not a choice they actually mean it’s not a choice whether you like it or not)
Very true, I spent years calling myself straight and I was flat out in denial. What you identify as is irrelevant.
I will say though, bisexual people certainly make the issue more complicated because they have the ability to appear “converted” or identify as “straight” but in reality they’re just choosing to sleep with the opposite sex while ignoring their same sex attraction/keeping it on the dl 🙄
What about the other way around. Which happens and makes nonsense of what you just said.
@@gcallananpainting they’re closeted or they’re bi. if they still actually maintain the attraction to opposite sex, while “finding” the attraction towards the same sex, then they’re not gay nor converted into one. even if we put into numbers like: 70% opposite/30% same sex, 5% opposite/95% same sex; they’re still not gay nor straight. it matters of how early one is aware of their true attraction.
@@gcallananpainting Uhh… how is any of that nonsense? Straight people don’t just turn gay they were just pretending to be straight.
@@itsrichev what if you've been abused when young and not attracted at all ?
Human beings like some people more than others. It’s a fundamental freedom to hang out with others that make you happy to be around. All those folks out there that keep bashing on gay folks are asking them to actually like women more, when half the time straight men aren’t even happy with women, even the woman they actually married, and they drive each other crazy.
Quit saying folks you nerd
@@trevorf5948 - folks is a really big word I admit. Look it up in the dic-Tion-ary.
Gay people include lesbians too, who like women more. Are you a misogynist? What's your point?
@@Sarah.G_2 LGB - you get the L, The blokes get the G. Don’t be greedy and a stirrer. You can fight your own battles. It’s not always about you.
@@bernie4268 Who's "you"? I'm not even lesbian🤣you either didn't understand my comment or you're deflecting. Explain the misogyny in your last sentence.
Jesus is the way. All homosexuality is, is sexual immorality and ones CHOICE to indulge in that particular sin. They can be changed, transformered and saved from eternal damnation and torment. Going to hell is a choice. Choose wisely people, seek Jesus.❤
I know of many persons who have rejected homosexual inclinations. Their motivation was spiritual above all other reasons.
Yes there are men who followed their homosexual desires who are now choosing to say no to that sin and follow Christ. There are many actually.
And a bottom never EVER goes back as a top.
Hahaha!!! 😂
Arseno + koitai arsenokoitai, the word Paul used to describe the behavior in the culture of his day between men having sexual congress with one another
what about a power bottom?
That’s for sure!😂
Lol....
That's interesting that therapists can't "ethically and legally" question a person's identity. So I guess a person could go all the way through therapy confused and believe they are gay when they are really not.
That's because you're either born gay or you're born straight
No one is born gay. It's all nurture
@@Miss-V123 people can be born gay. Their are multiple factors that contribute to it which is why it’s different for everyone. Someone can go through trauma and their are people who are born gay from hormonal influence and genes variation. Both can be true…
I met a few gays and listening to their stories, they could have been straight. Events, choices, experiences happened after which the sheer animal sexual force of gay sex was too much for them to turn away from, like a drug they were hooked and it changed their outlook.
What I learnt from this is that though there may be so called cis gay men, I've never gotten to know their stories. But from what I can see is that many people, perhaps most, sit on a spectrum naturally but not absolutely nor irrevocably biased towards heterosexuality some more towards the poles than others but that events can shape a person's outlook so significantly that choices are made that lead to experiences that forever re-bias that individual.
Perhaps there's some biological influence somewhere in the original spectral positioning but it doesn't seem compulsive.
So would I say "born this way" ...no. but neither would I say it's a lifestyle choice.
Indeed!! 👍
Not at all. I know a lot of straight guys who are still straight even after hooking up with other guys, a lot of lesbian women who are still lesbian after hooking up with guys and an inimaginable amount of gay guys who are still gay after years of denying their sexuality and trying to be straight. Sure, there might be exceptions regarding experiences shaping attraction, but it is definitelly not a choice.
Btw, the only ones who think of gay sex in terms such as "sheer animal sexual force" or "a drug" are gay guys who supress their feelings. Get over it, sex in general is not like porn.
i like this whole thread. i agree and i want to extend that to be homosexual is to also be attracted emotionally and physically to the same sex. i know guys who have experimented with other guys as teens to young adults, and they consider themselves straight because they can't see themselves being in a romantic relationship with a man. there is something else interesting ive observed -- and that attraction, sometimes can be biased from experience of our first instance of arousal. im not sure if this is in the books somewhere, but definitely something i've found to be an influencing factor. @@vichomangiola
girl wtf are you talking about
Sodomy is sick straight or gay. (Diddo for oral).
My sister's friend was a young man, 18 or 19, in the mid 80's who was having feelings for men. I'll call him Alec. Alec went to his Pentecostal pastor for counsel. Not only did that man tell everyone in the congregation the content of that personal, private conversation but he also told the Alec that he, Alec, had the devil in him. Alec said that since he figured that he was going to hell anyway, he might as well have fun. He changed his number, broke all contact with family and every friend he had; threw caution to the wind and went out and slept with anything with a penis. My sister was so upset. No one knows what ever happened to him. My guess would be AIDS. I would be greatly surprised if he were alive today. Proof that ministers need proper training.
Ministers - plural? How balanced of you to believe all ministers are like the one you describe. Gossip is condemned in the Bible. I am not Pentecostal, but I am a Christian. I would have walked away from a 'minister' and church like that and never looked back. That was just cruel. It sickens me when people seek comfort and understanding, but instead receive condemnation. It is possible to not accept one's actions or lifestyle, but act in love regardless. Please don't react to what you 'think' I mean by this.
Wow, how tolerant and open are you to judge an entire group of people based on a single story or experience, I once got into an argument with a black guy so I guess every black man is a hot headed asshole right? I mean if we're going by your standards we can judge a group of people with only one or two interactions or experiences
Fun fact: David Bowie is the only person I've ever heard state, 'I was a closeted heterosexual.'
I have. Met him at work and he explained his background - escaping from Vietnam with his family and a unaffectionate father, and he was later saved through Christ. I believe he’s been married for over 20 years to a women and preaching the gospel ever since. A very nice person.
Thanks for sharing that. The Bible offers hope for those who are struggling with homosexuality, and it is indeed possible to be released from such degenerate lifestyles (1 Cor. 6:9-11).
@@michaelnoble2432 the Bible is full of delusion lies and forgeries. Sorry that you have bought into the beliefs of a cult of human sacrifice from classical antiquity, but the only reason anyone would believe the nonsensical dogma taught by that contemptible sect is the fear of hell. I’m sorry you were too much of a coward to stand up and face reality, but there is still hope for the rest of us.
and was he completely straight?
can i ask if he is complete straight now?
JP didn't question the terminology, bearing in mind he questions terminology all the time tells you his position on this
It sounds like JP is very supportive of gay people & thinks they should not try to be something they are not.
@@LaLeMaynope. There was a video of him talking really badly of gay people when asked about gay marriage. He is just like the rest of them. There's a reason republiturds love this grifter.
@@vleaky3430 provide link to video in full, not just a clip out of context.
@@LaLeMay it's really not that hard to type in youtube but here hr talks about gays as if they're some sort of inhumane creature:
ua-cam.com/video/4jef2C4T1_A/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
The man was propably bisexual.
You can't know that.
@@chrismccaffrey8256 It makes more sense than anything else.
Straight people who have no same sex attraction don’t need to question their sexuality.
How disingenuous of JP to not even present the reality of the affirmation model. It does not mean you never question your patient. It means you dont outright contradict them because that shuts down dialogue and prevents you from understanding their situation better. So if someone actually isn't trans you can help them understand that and if they are you can help them take the next steps.
I actually had a friend who claimed to be definitely gay, not bisexual and even had a bf. Eventually they broke up. A year and a half later, he ended up being straight and even claimed he was never gay despite having been intimate with a guy, which goes far beyond questioning and testing things out. I heard a rumour that apparently he went to some function, got high and received you know what to a certain area of the body and after that he was completely straight. I never questioned him on that so idk if it’s true but I did ask if he was bi because I’m not gonna pretend like he wasn’t gay before 💀 but his answer was no and that he was completely straight.
So I’ve seen that happen before, but idk how that happens since I’ve always been adamant about being straight and never had to question it, nor will I ever
The world has gone mad and evil isn't hiding it's face anymore. Homeschool your kids, and hold them close?
Teach them to walk with the Lord.
Yes isolate and coddle your kids to keep them safe, best of luck when they’re on their own in the future and have no useful knowledge or skills ❤
@@gravitystrHomeschooled kids do just as well (if not better) in real life as traditionally schooled kids.
How close?
@@robertbusek30I think partial homeschool is good, they might do “just as well” but I know plenty of homeschool or coddled kids that are emotionally stunted, and pull further away from people, continuing the cycle.
We actually do exist in the world, it’s better to live in it than isolate
There are literally billions of people whom Jordan Peterson has never met.
Aren't they lucky!
Nothing gets past you does it Einstein? Don't forget Tuesdays com of after Mondays and the thing you are sticking in your ear is your finger
@@vhawk1951kl Spoken like a true ex-gay.
If it was possible (even with great difficulty) to change orientation from gay to hetero, then I think pretty much every gay teen living in the 80's would have done it. Only a certified masochist would have chosen to be gay during the AIDS crisis and the rampant homophobia that accompanied it.
As a Christian, I am not allowed to declare that gay sex is holy in God's eyes... though I acknowledge that I'm not allowed to judge others (that's His job). But I regard conversion therapy as the snake oil that it is.
Only a certified masochist...This coming from the gender sexuality that annexed our BDSM culture. Good Lord. (Or more like Satan)
Look up the changed movement. SSA is trauma related.
@@smalltownhomesteadAC Some Christians insist that because same-sex romance isn't holy, same-sex attraction isn't real. Others postulate that because same-sex attraction is quite real, same-sex romance must be potentially holy. But what if neither are correct? Some people are challenged in ways that others are not... some people seek romance but it never comes to them. God gives us all gifts, but not the same gifts. Maybe SSA individuals have been given a unique challenge: they find romance, but must not give into temptation to act on it.
How can someone have no choice in their sexuality, especially if the categories are straight, bisexual, and gay? It doesn’t make logical sense.
We have a biological and evolutionary predisposition to be straight as that’s how we procreate. Beyond that, sexual pleasure is a spectrum dependant on exposure and temperament. You cant be born gay if being bisexual is an option, being bisexual destroys the notion you can be born gay because then one would have to make the argument that you could be born bisexual too, and how can you be born with sexual proclivities to BOTH sexes? It’s an absurd biological claim.
Your sexual proclivities are clearly related to personality AND what you’re exposed to sexually. No one is born with an interest in hardcore sexual kinks or fetishes, one works up to these through exposure. The same way people aren’t born with bestiality tendencies or object-philia.
And if you can work up to something, you can move away from it too through abstinence or cognitive therapy.
I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with homosexuality or bisexuality, because I don’t believe there is. But you’re clearly not born that way and have a say in it. I’m also just saying it should be an option to those who are unhappy with their perceived sexuality. There are lots of youth who think they might be gay who don’t want to be. If they don’t want to be, who are we to tell them they must?
Most people are easily swayed & confused especially when there is an early incident of abuse of the sexual sort.
Most abusers are straight men and most children abused are girls. I wonder how many girls would naturaly be lesbians if it wasn't for those terrible incidents.
I wouldn’t say most. But as a non gay person I have met gays who seem to be born that way. Others I wonder if the child SA and DV they experienced impacted them and expressed sexually, they often have a deep hatred of opposite sex, and I can’t help but wonder if they had grown up in a loving home then perhaps they would be heterosexual? No idea. But it is a broken messed up overly sexualised world we live in. 🙁
@@TheAllyathome When you say they "seem to be born that way," is it not possible that those particular individuals just simply do not remember the initial nexus of their homosexual interest? And that being the case, is it also possible that it came from somewhere outside of themselves but they just don't remember exactly where it came from?
@@TheAllyathomeAre people born adulterers also? No - choices are made.
@@spirituallysafeAdulterers choose to harm another person. Two people in a relationship cannot be compared to adultery.
This question is silly.. Heterosexuals transition all the time to Homosexuality and no one is questioning or mocking the transition. But when it's reversed it's absurd. This man knows what's right deep down inside.
"Right" meaning what?
You have not the faintest idea?-No surprises there.
@@vhawk1951kl thank you 👌🏽
heterosexuals don't "transition" at all, they just publicly reveal what they've always been in secret
@@vhawk1951klright in front of our creator. You don’t have to accept this, or like it, but it’s true.
@@edwardo737 Thankyou,
Never easy to say that but you did, which is the first part of eating the truth( tastes like shit baked in vomit does it not?) It is not for me to say but how will you go a about digesting or transforming it in absolute Silence and complete stillness-perfectly relaxed still sand silent, which is not the absence of anything but the presence of something? If a man (human being) happens perhaps accidentally to speak truth it cannot come from him down there or in my case down here, but only from the source of truth love and intelligence which is Above which I do not wish to degrade in *any* way with words.Any element of truth can only have been accidental.
Inch foot, gem time.. I forget the rest but it can be looked up on this tower of babel internet thing. You took a big risk and I hope I have not betrayed that or let you down or taken advantage.Absolutely no idea what I said. If there was any element of truth in it, it could not possibly have come from below-yshp or your servant here prsent whatever vhawk1951 may be, it is a *little* thing and any resemblance between it and the truth is purely coincidental. As I used to say to police officers, beware of baby barristers -they cross-examine like machine gunners; they have no idea of at what to shoot but hope that if they keep firing they are bound to hit something, and who is to say they are wrong? You got hit by a ricochet?-Sorry bout dat. Truth does not-*cannot*come from men(human beings) but occasionally appears to come from one of them's (their?)general direction, but appearances are deceptive. It takes a *Big* man to eat a truth even if it was fired by a little man.Doubly so it it was fired by a little man by accident. I think of the mighty Richard I - coeur de lion- hit by a lucky crossbow shot of some nobody who while dying of the subsequent infection Richard fororgave the nobody whom his own people flayed alive despite their masters piety if that is the word.
We(Is there a we?) live on or in a carpet of which the warp is suffering and the weft humour and the colour and number of the wools and the design are-Now for some Eliot
Every attempt
Is a wholly new start, and a different kind of failure
Because one has only learnt to get the better of words
For the thing one no longer has to say, or the way in which
One is no longer disposed to say it. And so each venture
Is a new beginning, a raid on the inarticulate,
With shabby equipment always deteriorating
In the general mess of imprecision of feeling,
Undisciplined squads of emotion. And what there is to conquer
By strength and submission, has already been discovered
Once or twice, or several times, by men whom one cannot hope
To emulate - but there is no competition -
There is only the fight to recover what has been lost
And found and lost again and again: and now, under conditions
That seem unpropitious. But perhaps neither gain nor loss.
For us, there is only the trying. The rest is not our business.”
If I may I will repeat the final near perfection:
Cut there is no competition -
There is only the fight to recover what has been lost
And found and lost again and again:
"For us, there is only the trying. The rest is not our business.”
Sentimental guff?
A better quote from a Giant:
"Become *Yourself*, then god and the devil don't matter"
On yoyube you can find a conversation between the friend of a friend of mine and a huge prsesncesence from whom I was onc]e but feet away and it is entitled" The state of not knowing *Is* Intelligence, but it is not for amateurs
A therapist NEVER questions ones identity. They offer up ideas where that person asks their own question to answer. JP is an incompetent therapist at best. Unethical is most likely.
Did he really just say "Completely functioning life"