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The Lexus IS350 F Sport Is A BANGER, But Has One Major Flaw...
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2024
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This Lexus IS is possibly the best looking car I’ve tested in the last 2 years
The downside to that is that this IS, even in its new generation for 2021, brings a N/A v6 to a turbo 4 banger fight
So today we’re going to see if the old school can hang with the more modern competitors
We’ll start where we usually do, behind the wheel
I know I said this was a N/A v6 and it is, but it makes a pretty punchy 311 hp and 280 lbft
It goes through a 8 speed gearbox to all 4 wheels and that makes the 60 run good for 5.6 seconds
5 and a half seconds sounds fairly quick objectively, and it matches the outgoing C300, but let’s consider the BMW 330xi does it in 5.2
That’s the benefit of having forced induction peak torque around 2000 rpm rather than 5000
Ok, so it’s not the quickest thing on the block, but the Lexus cars never are and in this segment that shouldn’t really bother you.
The benefit of no turbo and extra cylinders is the exhaust tone
It develops as you climb the rev band - it’s obviously not as good as the V8, but just wait until we get the IS500
Sound and theater has always been the Lexus staple for me. Wrap me in a luxurious interior and assault my ears with a nice induction and exhuast tone and I’m good. BUt let’s talk dynamics.
This IS is 200 lbs shy of 4,000 lbs so it’s not light for its size.
The brakes work quite well and the steering is actually decent and not totally numb
Tip in is good and you have a multilink rear suspension set up, but there’s 2 problems
One is the gearbox is lazy. I’ve complained about Lexus 8 speeds in the RCF as well. Upshifts take longer than I want and downshifts aren’t crisp even in sport S+
The other issue is defeatable, but if you leave the stability control on you’re going to have a bad time. The computer will cut power anytime you try to add throttle mid corner
And that makes me very sad
But this is a Lexus at the end of the day and they’re not pretending to be sportscars so let’s talk abut some more Lexus-y things.
The exterior design, like I said in the intro is fabulous and it looks better in person than it does on your screen right now.
The front is aggressive, the wheels fit perfectly, and the rear hips are wide and muscular.
With a 2 inch taller hood and quad stacked exhaust the IS500 is going to be the perfect sport sedan for me.
Then on the interior the backseat is small, but useable to put adults in as long as you’re not driving cross country
Then the front of the cabin isn’t honestly a huge departure from the previous gen. As far as layout is concerned.
It still has my favorite climate controls in any car and the heated and cooled seats and heated steering wheel buttons are nice and easy to get to.
Trackpad infotainment is a bit of a bummer cuz we know the new NX that was leaked gets the next-gen touchscreen unit
Fully digital cluster with the moving circle is cool, but it doesnt move when you select sport mode so that’s lame. I guess you gotta save something for the LC
Ultimately, the build is superb as you’d expect from lexus and it’s the small attention to detail that really wins me over with these cars, but I do with it had a more modern looking dash and a bigger sunroof.
So some final housekeeping as we head into final thoughts.
The IS is slower than competition due to no turbos
Even with the v6 It gets about the same fuel economy and sounds better
Dynamically it’s not as sporty as the others but no surprise there
The interior is more special and bette built, but less intuitive
The exterior is worlds apart from the BMW, Merc, and Audi
So the moral of the story is if you want something that comfortable and looks excellent you’ve the best in the segment here
But me, I’ll be waiting for Fall when we get the IS500 with the RCF V8 and gearbox
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The naturally aspirated V6 is a plus for me. No turbo, means one less potential major repair in the future.
Exactly
My thoughts exactly a turbo just means one more thing to worry about and let’s be honest do you really need more than 311 HP are you really gonna be 180 mph all the time?!?!?
@@EG01988no, but More HP means more off the line speed
@@Ahmed-ny1xc well I don’t do track I’m more the floor the pedal in a straight line type of driver when I can.
I got a 2023 and it's still nice
"The downside is the NA V6 engine" That's a first haha. People buying this car specifically want the NA V6.
Exactly. And not for the sound but for the linear, lag-free acceleration that’s more dependable than anything in this class.
@@Chidoro41 Not to mention the proven reliability. 2GR FTW.
That’s why I bought it
Ding ding ding
Naturally aspirated is generally more reliable, I'd prefer it over forced induction, so for me, the f sport is my pick compared to competitors
That's not a flaw, it's a strength.
You know he's clueless when he said an NA engine was a downside.
Wrong
If you're concerned about a half second difference in 0-60 time, then you're you're a fool (unless you need the car for drag racing). Is the Audi A4 a little faster to 60? Sure, but Audis also understeer and aren't as much fun to drive. Is the BMW M340i quicker than the the IS350 F Sport? Yeah, but it's also about $10k more in price. Not really a good comparison from the consumer's point of view. In any case, the BMW 3-series looks sad and anemic next to the IS350 F Sport's elegant yet powerful lines and curves.
dude how you going to compare an m340i with this slow boring ass lexus i think your the foolish lol
Exactly, it’s about that bass
'Bout that bass, no treble
I heard its tough to work on audi engines by yourself cus u have to pull them out of the car to fix like timing belt and what not.
Genesis beats the lexus is350 sport
100% and also let's not forget that you immediately lose $10k-$15k in resale value with those German brands. Reliability is also a concern. Not sure why he's so focused on 0.5 seconds in a 0-60. If that really matters then throw in a cold air intake and catback exhaust system and tune? Lol
This has a touchscreen
Did you know that most Turbo based engines in America were not designed to have turbos. Translation, those high compression turbo engines, will not last long. But, that Lexus naturally aspirated engine will go over 200k easy.
The AWD is a 6-speed, not 8. Heard the 8-speed is better though.
It feels like a cvt after first gear. very smooth shift and gives you a couple mpg. But if you drive it hard, ooohoohoh it is fantastic.
i got the 6 speed, test drove the 8 speed, hard to tell the difference actually, the ride is the same.
@@smora6054 The 6 speed is more predictable. The 8 speed tries to find a suitable gear to go into sometimes, doesn't affect the ride and shift quality. For me it feels like a CVT since it is so smooth, but when you drive it hard, you could feel the shift. had this 8spd in about 5 months now.
i think the 6 speed better the 8 speed kinda sluggish first 3 gears
One important factor these reviews don't talk about is reliability. The 3.5 engine is one of Toyota's best.
Simple, but If Toyota made a more sporty four door sedan, it would really give bmw a run for it's money because people already know it is reliable
Just bought mine last week 2021 is350 f white with red interior. I love it
How are you liking it 7 months later?
@@kris_roro it blew up
The NA V6 is not the downside of this car....
Is kind dumb reviewers, always put the Lexus at the bottom of German cars. In three years the Audis and BMWs are going to be in a junkyard.
half a sec , that’s a moot point for most of us daily drivers that want performance.
Yeah, the Germans might be faster, but which one will actually get you to your destination every single time?
People act like a new German car is going to break down. Lexus might be more reliable , but I’m pretty sure my brand new Audi s5 isn’t going to leave me stranded either
It’s brand new so yeah it should work fine but talk to me about European car durability when the serious mileage starts piling on.
Lease European, buy Lexus.
@@ApimpNamedSlickBack663 My m4 started having a slew of issues at 50k, and bmw is definitely more reliable than Audi. Thank god it got wrapped around a tree or it would have been thousands of dollars to fix
@@ApimpNamedSlickBack663 yeah but they are throwaway cars after like 50 K and depreciate like a motherfucker because of the same fact. Even if you have the money to fix it why would you waste it and constantly worry about when he breaks down possibly the worst moments
Fair video. I have a ‘16 350 FSport RWD and it’s an amazing car. As you said, put it in manual and Sport+ and you’ll be able to ring it out. Looking to get the IS500 this Fall to fix the few deficiencies.
Dont get the 500 wait for the f
@@medogabr9952 The new ISF (from everything I’ve read) will be turbocharged and well over 500hp. I’m only interested in naturally aspirated, traditional engines. Additionally, under 500hp means I’ll have actual fun working through most gears before I’m in reckless driving/jail territory. 😜😂👍🏽
@@DLPTonyATL fair lol
@@medogabr9952 😂
IS500 will also have LSD standard meaning that drifting and oversteering in corners will be a breeze.
buy lexus
lease bmw
Some people need to make their own cars...jeesas man!!!
The M340i is $10k more. They’re not in the same class. So many car enthusiasts fail to understand the Lexus line up. I’ve come to think that they deliberately make no effort to understand Lexus. That’s like saying an Audi A4 45TFSI S-line would get walked by an m340i… Of course. F sport to Lexus is like s-line to Audi, it’s mostly an appearance package. ( Similar to how Audi has the 40 and 45 TFSI engine options Lexus offers a 4cyl or v6). F performance (is500 is an f performance car) is like Audi’s S and F from Lexus is like RS from Audi. Currently Lexus does not have a full blown F car to compete with a proper M or RS. The prices of Lexus also reflect the fact I stated above. An is500 and M340i are $3k apart - That would be a more logical comparison
Good luck getting a IS500. They're asking $80,000.00+ in Dallas, TX
Made in Japan and lasts forever.
Just bought this exact car.
I’ve started to prefer NA vehicles as fun daily drivers. They are far more reliable and squeezing out another half second 0-60 isn’t really worth the added unreliability to most people.
As someone who has owned a used Audi for 4 years, I can tell you I’ve spent as much money in repairs and maintenance as I paid for the car. It needed a new engine because the 2.0t had this little feature where your timing chain will suddenly slip. Anything after 100k miles is a ticking time bomb. Never head of another car that just regularly suffers from catastrophic engine failure and needs engine work before 100k miles that is just considered “maintenance”. I would feel comfortable buying a 100k mile IS350, an Audi, might as well be in the scrap yard at that many miles.
There is a reason why an 8 year old Audi with the same mileage is almost half the price as a Lexus
It’s a 6 speed in the AWD model.
The RWD model is also 100lbs lighter.
0:57 Isn't the IS350 AWD a 6 Speed and not a 8 speed? I thought the 8 speed was in the RWD models.
Pushing 200 thousand on my 2014 2.0 turbo ATS. Never a turbo issue
This has a touchscreen and this is not a new generation. This is still the 3rd Gen IS. It has simply been refreshed a second time. This is also not leather. It is NuLuxe vinyl throughout except on the steering wheel. You’d think that since this is your *job* you’d educate yourself on the product a bit more.
The old school V6 is exactly why i purchased my new 2024 IS 350..I could care less about a turbo and I will never buy a turbo charged engine as long as i have a choice
That is a proper 🚗 car.. the only flaw would be the long/very high gears ⚙️ I think it'd accelerate quicker with short gears.. who cares about fuel if you can afford a lexus you can afford fuel ⛽️ 😉
Well, u can go to RR racing in Exton, PA and get a supercharger for it to boost power to about 420+. Then it will haul ass
Today's I-6 or V6 turbos will be obsolete the following year as competitors or even newer versions increase their horsepower & supporting structures ( e.g. better brakes). So there will always be the hp race. You no longer have the latest or the best. However, with the IS 500, you'll always have the NA V8 that is not the fastest, but it will be one of the classics. It will also run forever and retain its fun-to-drive character long after the German I6/V6 turbos break down or their owners get bored with them.
beautiful car, if performance is at top of your list audi a4 all the way, but if it's reliability with still plenty of power this baby is it:) lets not forget a turbo is fun but it sucks fuel and down the road is extra maintenance, and also another part that can break.
i would take this lexus black with red interior, looks good too silver and red interior though:)
“This is a lexus at the end of the day and it’s not pretending to be a sports car”
Dude are we still on this ? Lexus shed that image YEARS ago. The LFA exotic. The V8 ISF Sport sedan. So is the GSF. Come on
Yeah but a Camry is faster lmaooo
Just bought one last December and I love it, candy red.
wrong on the mid corner power there is a setting i forget where i found it to disable speed assist or somthing in corners turn it off and you have full control
This guy…. The AWD (which this is) has the lazy 6 speed gearbox, the 2WD is 8 speed and LSD with the dynamic package.
How does the ride compare to others in its class? For smoothness or luxury feel.
Thanks for the video!
Simplicity,elegant, functional,reliability. What more?
I'll take reliability over tricky dicky techy junk.
I should have bought that instead of my BMW 4 series
I was loaned a 2022 Lexus IS 350 F Sport while my GS350 is being serviced. I have this car for 9 days to determine if I will be trading in my 07 GS 350. My service advisor is extending the close out of my car so I can really get a feel for the IS. In just 1 day of driving this car, I am realizing it's not for me. The design is absolutely awesome. I'm in a grey with red leather seats. If I got one, I'd get it in Infrared with black leather seats. Getting in and out is a little difficult for me due to the car being low. I am 6'0 tall. The back seats are decent, but if you are at least 6'0 tall, expect your head to hit the ceiling. I wish Lexus bring back the GS with a similar look to the IS, but I know that won't happen. Did I mention, the 6-month insurance on this is $1600/6-months with a $500 Collision deductible (no tickets or accidents). That's $3200/year. Yikes! I'll pass on this. It's too small. I'm now on DAY 2 of my loaner and I definitely am not getting this car.
You do realize insurance costs are different for every individual.
@@looneyyang1326 Well for me, its $3200/year no tickets and no accidents.
Um, the A4 does not go 0-60 in under 5 seconds. It's at 6.3
Keep it for 25-30 years and thank me later re that motor. And what the heck is it with all the focus (everywhere on UA-cam) on the 0-60 times. How many times a day/week/month/year you actually scrap it out at a stop light.........good review nonetheless
Great point. They make it seem like that's the most important aspect of a vehicle. Of course we want power when looking in this category but there's so many other features that people want in their sport sedan.
just wait untill somebody supercharges it
its gonna be a banger
All these car reviewers are the same. Seems the most important aspect is 0-60 times. Why don't you just recommend a Hellcat or a Tesla Plaid? There is more than just raw speed.
They whine about the same old thing, like most people drag race anyway. Ridiculous!
My M2 is gone getting this
Immaterial times 0-60 in your opener comments. Real world driving application 0-60 is RARE. This machine has plenty of power as a daily. It’s intended use. 2¢
Pretty good review. However, despite what you might have thought, that is in fact a touchscreen infotainment system.
Nice review, hope you get more subs
thanks for the support!
N/A engines ARE NOT a flaw. I’m buying one of these because it’s reliable long term (20 years is not out of reach) and it doesn’t lose 70% of its value in 5 years like a German car does.
Mind you, I’ve only ever owned German cars. I’m finally fed up and want something better.
NA engine is far from a downside, it is the appeal.
One mistake here .......the AWD models have a 6 speed transmission while RWD models in the IS 350 have the slightly newer 8 speed transmission.
Beautiful automobile. Tad bit small...wish the ES had this exterior styling. Nevertheless, 95% sure this will be my next car purchase. Cloudburst gray w/ red interior ftw!
Maybe you can get the fsport option on an ES.
I am a self confessed Lexus fan boy, but a minor discrepancy on 0 to 60 times, amounts for not much. I would choose build quality and reliability over BMW , Audi and MB any day.
The audis and beamers wont be going much faster when their in the shop.
The major flaw is the automatic transmission.
Will Michelin Pilot 4S tires improve grip for this car?
I think the new genesis should have some skin in the game
The problem with this car is something that makes it more reliable...? I'll take it
Im 6'6 and i can drive this car comfortably. I just can't have anyone behind me.. 😅
Why is turbo so bad according to these comments ? I agree, a N/A v6 it’s a downside. With boost you get more power with way better mpg, and their are some really
Good reliable turbos. For example, the LS500 has a twin turbo v6. And it’s a Lexus. They can do it if they want. A single turbo 3.0L making at least 300-350 horsepower would’ve been perfect
The awd version only comes with a 6 speed. The 8 speed is much faster
I would like to know the mileage on these vehicles before they go and bash on them. For instance was the engine and motor broke in properly?
If the engine wants to break down, he will think about it after 250,000 km
😂😂
It's good as it is. I love it.
I hate turbos
LEXUS 👌🏻 TOP LUXURY CARS
And won't break down after two years.
Toyotas last forever
These cars are smaller then I expected went to go look at one and it’s small inside
Once my ES350 gets to 200k miles, this will be at the top of my list. I just love the smoothness and sound of an old school V6.
Sorry but the AWD is a 6 speed while the RWD has an 8 speed
@5:57 What the are you talking about? this one has touchscreen infotainment ...
get your facts straight, you screwed up the transmission info as well.
Its a Toyota..they make great trucks..thats it
I like your review but I’m pretty sure it’s a v6 not a v8
Correct
I have an RX350 w the same V6 engine and would never buy a 4 banger!
If it's cutting power in a turn it's cuz it's sliding....take off traction control
You shouldn't be doing reviews if you don't know all the specs on the car you have the awd model so its a 6 speed the rwd is a 8 speed lol
If I get everything right next time will you be proud of me, dad?🥺
The new puppies may be exciting for a days test drive, a week or even short lease, but puppies are high maintenance and get tiresome after a while. There is something to be said about the dependable old dog. He's well behaved, doesnt leave poop surprises and is always there when you need him. If Lexus could sell a pretty well loaded IS 350 for no more than $45k..it would be my choice vs the competition every time, especially with this heavy refresh that instantly makes it best looking in it's class.
After buying this .. car .. the only things u will be replacing are maybe the spark plugs haha... no mechanical issues
The only flaw is that im not Driving it
oh yea?? its a toyota i would take it over any other car
IS is not DFI garbage.
Very bias German car fan boy review... NA V6 is why I own this car. And I still get to 150+ MPH when I feel like it. (Without any fear of light popping up on my dash)
I hear that. My old bmw punished me anytime I pushed it hard
Sad they lose every race..
Almost like it’s not made for racing
Not really
Turbo is garbage.
Never have I heard so much complaining about Lexus's engine. This guy is complaining about the narturally aspirated v6 engine being outdated. Lexus now puts turbo charged cylinders in some of their vehicles now. Now People are complaining about missing the naturally aspirated engines and that Lexus is copying everyone else. Amazing!
Can anyone else confirm that Lexus can go to 200k miles just like Toyotas?
More like 500k on lexus and 300k on Toyota
Great looking car but I stick with my q60 for now
I’d rather have cheaper maintenance than a half second shorter 0-60
You lease a German marque, you BUY a Lexus. Lexus performance cars have one major difference; they don't break.
The car looks great and will be reliable, but after that it's a loss. Outdated, outclassed, out performed and missing features you get on a top of the line Camry. The IS500 will at least be more fun to drive, but similarly outdated.
Hit a cat or dog and sustain $2k in front end damage..
👌
No one who buys this has to dodge cats or dogs while driving 🤣
You hitting cats and dogs often? Lmfao