ive used these kind of NNN boots backcountry Nordic skiing in Kosciusko NP, Australia (yes we do have high country...) With Madshus Epoch Nordic skis. Incredibly light setup , you walk in with slightly loosened boots that feel like hiking boots, then put the skis on at the snowline and voila... ski across, uphills due to the fishscale pattern on the skis, then you can go down Alpine style with parallel turns if you want... much easier to control than thin x country skis, much lighter than alpine. And boots you can walk in. For steep hills I used skins , and then took them off and came down quite steep terrain with parallel turns. Awesome... Get away from the queues, in the open country... work the whole body, get your thrills coming down similar to Alpine. Highly recommended.
I own the NNN BC manual bindings matched with Madshus Epoch Nordic B.C. skis and the matching Fischer boots. For skiing the Bogong High Plains and The Kosci. N.P. they are perfect. :-)
Here is another perspective on NNN BC. Using a magnum rottefella (67mm plate) NNN BC binding...the manual lock and release (not the auto), with a wider ski even 90mm+ under foot, super-light weight (under 3 lbs per ski so you can drive it), with metal edge for climbers who can't fit the really difficult to climb in (for some), Backcountry boot. I could not even fit a backcountry boot in the largest size but fit a larger NNN BC boot just fine. Of course very delicate descending please. But considering you might want 2 climb and ride the ridge for hours, as said; and descending is usually 10% of the overall time; maybe worth it to be in comfort. :)
Mike ... I agree. I found a new pair of Rossignol 75mm and am going to give them a try this winter. The BC NNN don't give me much power off-piste. Great point!
@@DavidFlinn I would use the thickest firmest sole you can find for positive turning. I hear some folks talking about lightweight boots/equipment, but that is not really a big consideration when you are cutting turns in the back country and you are in uncut snow, be it powder or crust or worse. The worse the conditions, the more you will appreciate robust equipment.
With three pin, you can even go plastic with a t4 or excursiin, that new Rottefella Xplore binding looks good for shovel up to 85mm? Or more, and with the flat baseplate could go as thin as 60 or so...can't wait!
Hey Mr. Sounds like you know your stuff. I grew up downhilling and am trying cross country. I got a SNS profil boot and ski set the other day. I'm surprised how fat the ski where my rides on top. I am the "high heel" phenomena where my ankle slips outward and the ski wants to flip over to it's side. It seems to me like the ski is too thick. What are your thoughts? The boot might be a tiny bit big for me. But feels great otherwise. I really want to love this cross country/back country concept.
Hi, David. Thank you for your video, not many like that on UA-cam clarifying NNN system. I 've got skis with Rotafella )bindings with NNN sign on them and boots with NNN stamp on the bottom. I tried hard, but I'm not able to put them together, though it seems should match. Maybe one of them NNN-BC? How to identify it?You said one is wider that the other. Can you tell me exact pin length ? I am very very frustrated that under the same NNN name could be looking very similar, but different and not interchangeable products. Thank you in advance.
The BC versions are a bit wider: NNN pin widths are 58mm while NNN-BC are a 68 mm plate. This may help a bit: www.gearx.com/blog/knowledge/skiing/nordic-ski-binding-compatibility-guide/
Great video! How would you rate nnnbc system with stiff leather boots, compared to T4s and 3 pins in the adirondacks? I would like to ski around keene valley, avalanche pass and maybe marcy one day. Any downsides to plastic boots?
T4s are heavier in general but are great for skiing the steeps. If you just want to bomb around and not ski the Trap Dike, Colden Slides, then BCNNN are light and fun. I would tend for T4s to downhill areas myself
@@DavidFlinn thanks! I wouldn't plan too much downhill areas, more rolling terrain, but some 200' elevation loss areas. Local to me are forest roads that become snowmobile tracks in the winter.
I made a mistake .. I meant Mt Colden in the Adirondacks ... sorry! In the whites, certainly up the Mt Washington auto road is fun or up into Tuckerman's Ravine. Also the Pemi wilderness but it takes a while to get up there. Bear Mountain road is full of snowmobiles. Hope this helps!
ive used these kind of NNN boots backcountry Nordic skiing in Kosciusko NP, Australia (yes we do have high country...)
With Madshus Epoch Nordic skis.
Incredibly light setup , you walk in with slightly loosened boots that feel like hiking boots, then put the skis on at the snowline and voila... ski across, uphills due to the fishscale pattern on the skis, then you can go down Alpine style with parallel turns if you want... much easier to control than thin x country skis, much lighter than alpine. And boots you can walk in.
For steep hills I used skins , and then took them off and came down quite steep terrain with parallel turns. Awesome...
Get away from the queues, in the open country... work the whole body, get your thrills coming down similar to Alpine. Highly recommended.
I own the NNN BC manual bindings matched with Madshus Epoch Nordic B.C. skis and the matching Fischer boots. For skiing the Bogong High Plains and The Kosci. N.P. they are perfect. :-)
Here is another perspective on NNN BC. Using a magnum rottefella (67mm plate) NNN BC binding...the manual lock and release (not the auto), with a wider ski even 90mm+ under foot, super-light weight (under 3 lbs per ski so you can drive it), with metal edge for climbers who can't fit the really difficult to climb in (for some), Backcountry boot. I could not even fit a backcountry boot in the largest size but fit a larger NNN BC boot just fine. Of course very delicate descending please. But considering you might want 2 climb and ride the ridge for hours, as said; and descending is usually 10% of the overall time; maybe worth it to be in comfort. :)
Hi ... this is my current setup with waxless skis. But I'm going back to 75mm for a while ... I just can't crank the NNN off-piste very well.
IMO, old-school 3-pin bindings and boots are a lot more positive and offer better control, especially for turning.
Mike ... I agree. I found a new pair of Rossignol 75mm and am going to give them a try this winter. The BC NNN don't give me much power off-piste. Great point!
@@DavidFlinn I would use the thickest firmest sole you can find for positive turning. I hear some folks talking about lightweight boots/equipment, but that is not really a big consideration when you are cutting turns in the back country and you are in uncut snow, be it powder or crust or worse. The worse the conditions, the more you will appreciate robust equipment.
With three pin, you can even go plastic with a t4 or excursiin, that new Rottefella Xplore binding looks good for shovel up to 85mm? Or more, and with the flat baseplate could go as thin as 60 or so...can't wait!
Hey Mr. Sounds like you know your stuff. I grew up downhilling and am trying cross country. I got a SNS profil boot and ski set the other day. I'm surprised how fat the ski where my rides on top. I am the "high heel" phenomena where my ankle slips outward and the ski wants to flip over to it's side. It seems to me like the ski is too thick. What are your thoughts? The boot might be a tiny bit big for me. But feels great otherwise. I really want to love this cross country/back country concept.
do you mind sharing your ski brand, length, binding type and boots? Usually XC skis are not that fat at all. Could possibly be a poor binding install
NNN BC was designed earlier than 2005. They came out around 1989 I believe: www.telemarktalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=1005&p=12005
Hi, David. Thank you for your video, not many like that on UA-cam clarifying NNN system. I 've got skis with Rotafella )bindings with NNN sign on them and boots with NNN stamp on the bottom. I tried hard, but I'm not able to put them together, though it seems should match. Maybe one of them NNN-BC? How to identify it?You said one is wider that the other. Can you tell me exact pin length ? I am very very frustrated that under the same NNN name could be looking very similar, but different and not interchangeable products. Thank you in advance.
The BC versions are a bit wider: NNN pin widths are 58mm while NNN-BC are a 68 mm plate. This may help a bit: www.gearx.com/blog/knowledge/skiing/nordic-ski-binding-compatibility-guide/
Great video! How would you rate nnnbc system with stiff leather boots, compared to T4s and 3 pins in the adirondacks? I would like to ski around keene valley, avalanche pass and maybe marcy one day. Any downsides to plastic boots?
T4s are heavier in general but are great for skiing the steeps. If you just want to bomb around and not ski the Trap Dike, Colden Slides, then BCNNN are light and fun. I would tend for T4s to downhill areas myself
@@DavidFlinn thanks! I wouldn't plan too much downhill areas, more rolling terrain, but some 200' elevation loss areas. Local to me are forest roads that become snowmobile tracks in the winter.
David where did you say after White mtns (3:29) a good spot to go is. Mt Colin?
I made a mistake .. I meant Mt Colden in the Adirondacks ... sorry! In the whites, certainly up the Mt Washington auto road is fun or up into Tuckerman's Ravine. Also the Pemi wilderness but it takes a while to get up there. Bear Mountain road is full of snowmobiles. Hope this helps!