Excellent video There are a lot of UA-cam shill reviewers You can smell the desperation for money over integrity Begging for Super Chat money is embarrassing
You're absolutely right 👍 Anyway you never hear the device under review as a stand alone , you hear it as a part of the whole system and how it integrates in (including room acoustics), and anyway all reviews are subjective and heavily depend on personal taste.
I agree 100% it's about time they crack down on these companies that sell garbage products. For years we've been saying that we need more honest reviewers that are going to review products. Then let us know if it's garbage we're good for the home. I may not be an audiophile, but I am an enthusiast listen to the audiophile, audio scientist , enthusiast. By listening to you guys I learned a lot. One there is a difference where you have a Anacohic chamber, and then your home. Two different places sound different. I pay money cash to have equipment that is suitable for my liking.
The issue, I believe, begins with individuals labeling themselves as "audiophiles." This self-identification often shifts the focus from the music itself to an obsessive emphasis on equipment. As a result, this reverence for gear makes these so-called "audiophiles" more vulnerable to fake reviews, biased influencers, pseudoscientific claims, and even outright mysticism. Unfortunately, the FTC is unlikely to address this problem because the root cause lies with the "audiophiles" themselves. This "hobby" has become akin to worshiping equipment and engaging in rituals, such as "burning in" cables, which are devoid of scientific merit. Over time, this has fostered a community so deeply entrenched in self-deception that they fervently believe their own myths, to the point of viewing rational skepticism as unreasonable or even absurd. To me, the word "audiophile" has essentially become a dirty word-one that no longer represents a love for music, but instead identifies members of a cult fixated on their own misguided rituals and beliefs. Audiophiles screw themselves.
Totally agree with you. Especially now a slippery slope when products these days are going the software dsp route. These companies are now just letting their customers be total beta testers. And then the UA-camrs are literally just riding this wave to the bank trying to be buddy buddy with the designer so they can get kick backs. Total shame.
Amen 🙏 Absolutely,if you’re interested in a piece of kit…..try with your own ears or see if thou can get an extended trial period in your home with your front end and music you know . We are too often forced into a blind (or this case a DEAF) buying of equipment. Fabulous video. Thank you 🍻
Great talk. I find most modern design loud speakers to be far too clinical and make me want to stop listening after 30 minutes if not faster. I love the BBC sound, have the Graham Audio LS 5/9 and can listen all day with no problem, thinking getting two Rel’s to take care of the bottom lows, but In no hurry.
OMG brotha, I identify and feel for you! What i'm dealing with has nothing to do with gear, but its the same catch 22 underlying theme. It absolutely sucks being thrown into this type of position, and I wouldnt wish it upon anyone. Wishing you the MOST favorable and positive of outcomes sir.
I think you’ve hit directly on the nerve of this hobby.. I will say that I truly believe there to be another side equally as dishonest. That being the militant measuring crowd. With zero proof I believe not only are people paid to talk up unworthy products, I believe in my heart there are militant measures paid to smear competitors. Erin’s audio corner is the ONLY UA-cam reviewer I respect and trust to be honest.when it comes to measuring equipment. He actually illustrates potential issues with the measurements and explains how that translates to what the sonic difference will be. Being told whether I should like something based solely on a schematic is arrogance at its finest. It should only serve to highlight limitations of a product. Listen to people you trust and be your own reviewer.
And how do you think these products are developed? There is no sound inside an amplifier... it's an electrical signal and the only choice is to use measuring equipment (scope, analyser, multimeter, etc) to test and verify their function. There's not a single audio product on the market that has not be developed on test equipment. You want the truth about what a device can or can't do... study the measurements.
@@Douglas_Blake To be clear my comments are not about the measurements they are about the people that misuse them. Yes measurements are crucial in manufacturing. they are not in subjective preferences. I have no idea nor do I care what the measurements of a Bose 901 speakers is. It was widely received as a great speaker. I myself did not care for it along with others. Measurements does not settle this preference and determine one side right or wrong. The absolute vitriol I hear on some sites form the content creator and especially the commenters is disgusting. It is obvious that measurements are selectively chosen to bolster the snake oil claims cheaper manufactures use to invalidate more expensive units. To what degree they may be correct is a value judgement. Assignments of personal value, and tonality cannot be measured. All they can do is act as guard rails. I can honestly say that I have listened to a speaker four times the cost of mine that I didn't care for. the measurements do not matter to me. My personal taste does along with what financial costs are.
@@bobr9605 No argument ... if you don't like it (on a subjective level) it's very unlikely you will enjoy it no matter what the specs say. Measurements, in a buying decision are important, they let you weed out the stinkers before you end up having to return or modify things. For example I'm not gong to spend $2000 on a speaker that has a crossover dip in it's response curves (no amount of eq or dsp can fix that). Instead I'll spend $400 on one that doesn't. Thank you for clarifying. We really aren't that far apart. Happy listening.
Thank you, I really do like having a discussion with others with a differing point of view. I learn more from people like you with reasoned points of view. What I have learned quickly is that is is a very personal hobby enjoyed differently.by all. To those like you that make the measurements a part of that process I say enjoy. For me the acquisition of a system has been a life long journey of desire culminating in a retirement purchase. With zero regrets. It should be of no surprise to you my understanding of the application of measurements is extremely limited. I’m not an engineer nor do I wish to be. I am a lover of listening to music to the best of my ability with my ears kept in check by my wallet. It was a long process I’m glad I took the time to do. Thank you again Enjoy the music!!!!!
@@bobr9605 I spend large parts of my life searching for reasoned and sensible discussion... you might be surprised how rare it is. I am also retired and my current system is a retirement gift to myself. But I am also an electronics technician so I do put value in measurements; that's how you fix stuff 😉 For the most part the various plots and graphs aren't that complex. They actually do connect with reality. For example a "frequency response" chart basically tells you if there is any variation in loudness at various pitches (frequencies). That expensive speaker with the crossover dip, usually around 2khz, is probably going to be lacking in vocal clarity. Or one with a big bulge at 100hz is going to be boomy sounding. It is just a waste of time to even consider either. If I can read a chart and rule it out without all the fuss of ordering, waiting, listening, returning then ordering something else over and over... then the measurements have served me well. I'm a big fan of "digging deeper" and always learning new stuff. It's part of the fun of this whole tinkerer's hobby. The more you know the easier it is to get things together and working. For me it's all about the music. My system right now is very stable so I'm not prone to mess with it. I will work on a system until it gives me what I want and then, unless it complains, I'm good for just sitting back and "lovin' ma tunes". Happy listening!
MacIntosh has been bought out by Bose While I'm hear,as a hobbyist amplifier,speaker builder,and vintage turntable modifier restorer,if you are buying a tube amplifier no matter what brand and price,if the tube sockets are mounted on the PCB and not hard mounted onto the chassis,if you're tube roller you will regret it as you will crack solder joints,doesn't matter how much support there is under the PCB,you will crack solder joints and worse copper traces. There are probably 10 to 15 reviewers on UA-cam,I would not give the time of day,you know the ones I'm talking about the one that have the flashy channels with a production team😂
Please, please, please title each video to indicate its content in some way. Having every video with the same title (your channel name) is making your channel much less usable. That's a shame because you have some good stuff.
Most of these reviewers won’t get stuff sent to them if they start telling their actual opinions. Lots of them have bad hearing too. If you watch z reviews he reviews dacs all the time, and he admits that he desent hear any difference in most of them. The cheap audio man thinks Polk rti a7s sound good. Don’t trust any of them until you have heard a few things they have reviewed, and you can tell if you agree with their opinions.
Excellent video
There are a lot of UA-cam shill reviewers
You can smell the desperation for money over integrity
Begging for Super Chat money is embarrassing
👍👍👍
You're absolutely right 👍
Anyway you never hear the device under review as a stand alone , you hear it as a part of the whole system and how it integrates in (including room acoustics), and anyway all reviews are subjective and heavily depend on personal taste.
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I agree 100% it's about time they crack down on these companies that sell garbage products. For years we've been saying that we need more honest reviewers that are going to review products. Then let us know if it's garbage we're good for the home. I may not be an audiophile, but I am an enthusiast listen to the audiophile, audio scientist , enthusiast. By listening to you guys I learned a lot. One there is a difference where you have a Anacohic chamber, and then your home. Two different places sound different. I pay money cash to have equipment that is suitable for my liking.
The issue, I believe, begins with individuals labeling themselves as "audiophiles." This self-identification often shifts the focus from the music itself to an obsessive emphasis on equipment. As a result, this reverence for gear makes these so-called "audiophiles" more vulnerable to fake reviews, biased influencers, pseudoscientific claims, and even outright mysticism.
Unfortunately, the FTC is unlikely to address this problem because the root cause lies with the "audiophiles" themselves. This "hobby" has become akin to worshiping equipment and engaging in rituals, such as "burning in" cables, which are devoid of scientific merit. Over time, this has fostered a community so deeply entrenched in self-deception that they fervently believe their own myths, to the point of viewing rational skepticism as unreasonable or even absurd.
To me, the word "audiophile" has essentially become a dirty word-one that no longer represents a love for music, but instead identifies members of a cult fixated on their own misguided rituals and beliefs.
Audiophiles screw themselves.
Totally agree with you. Especially now a slippery slope when products these days are going the software dsp route. These companies are now just letting their customers be total beta testers. And then the UA-camrs are literally just riding this wave to the bank trying to be buddy buddy with the designer so they can get kick backs. Total shame.
Amen 🙏
Absolutely,if you’re interested in a piece of kit…..try with your own ears or see if thou can get an extended trial period in your home with your front end and music you know .
We are too often forced into a blind (or this case a DEAF) buying of equipment.
Fabulous video.
Thank you 🍻
Great talk.
I find most modern design loud speakers to be far too clinical and make me want to stop listening after 30 minutes if not faster.
I love the BBC sound, have the Graham Audio LS 5/9 and can listen all day with no problem, thinking getting two Rel’s to take care of the bottom lows, but In no hurry.
OMG brotha, I identify and feel for you! What i'm dealing with has nothing to do with gear, but its the same catch 22 underlying theme. It absolutely sucks being thrown into this type of position, and I wouldnt wish it upon anyone. Wishing you the MOST favorable and positive of outcomes sir.
I think you’ve hit directly on the nerve of this hobby..
I will say that I truly believe there to be another side equally as dishonest. That being the militant measuring crowd. With zero proof I believe not only are people paid to talk up unworthy products, I believe in my heart there are militant measures paid to smear competitors. Erin’s audio corner is the ONLY UA-cam reviewer I respect and trust to be honest.when it comes to measuring equipment. He actually illustrates potential issues with the measurements and explains how that translates to what the sonic difference will be.
Being told whether I should like something based solely on a schematic is arrogance at its finest. It should only serve to highlight limitations of a product.
Listen to people you trust and be your own reviewer.
And how do you think these products are developed?
There is no sound inside an amplifier... it's an electrical signal and the only choice is to use measuring equipment (scope, analyser, multimeter, etc) to test and verify their function. There's not a single audio product on the market that has not be developed on test equipment.
You want the truth about what a device can or can't do... study the measurements.
@@Douglas_Blake To be clear my comments are not about the measurements they are about the people that misuse them. Yes measurements are crucial in manufacturing. they are not in subjective preferences. I have no idea nor do I care what the measurements of a Bose 901 speakers is. It was widely received as a great speaker. I myself did not care for it along with others. Measurements does not settle this preference and determine one side right or wrong. The absolute vitriol I hear on some sites form the content creator and especially the commenters is disgusting. It is obvious that measurements are selectively chosen to bolster the snake oil claims cheaper manufactures use to invalidate more expensive units. To what degree they may be correct is a value judgement. Assignments of personal value, and tonality cannot be measured. All they can do is act as guard rails. I can honestly say that I have listened to a speaker four times the cost of mine that I didn't care for. the measurements do not matter to me. My personal taste does along with what financial costs are.
@@bobr9605
No argument ... if you don't like it (on a subjective level) it's very unlikely you will enjoy it no matter what the specs say.
Measurements, in a buying decision are important, they let you weed out the stinkers before you end up having to return or modify things. For example I'm not gong to spend $2000 on a speaker that has a crossover dip in it's response curves (no amount of eq or dsp can fix that). Instead I'll spend $400 on one that doesn't.
Thank you for clarifying. We really aren't that far apart.
Happy listening.
Thank you, I really do like having a discussion with others with a differing point of view. I learn more from people like you with reasoned points of view. What I have learned quickly is that is is a very personal hobby enjoyed differently.by all. To those like you that make the measurements a part of that process I say enjoy. For me the acquisition of a system has been a life long journey of desire culminating in a retirement purchase. With zero regrets. It should be of no surprise to you my understanding of the application of measurements is extremely limited. I’m not an engineer nor do I wish to be. I am a lover of listening to music to the best of my ability with my ears kept in check by my wallet. It was a long process I’m glad I took the time to do. Thank you again
Enjoy the music!!!!!
@@bobr9605
I spend large parts of my life searching for reasoned and sensible discussion... you might be surprised how rare it is.
I am also retired and my current system is a retirement gift to myself. But I am also an electronics technician so I do put value in measurements; that's how you fix stuff 😉
For the most part the various plots and graphs aren't that complex. They actually do connect with reality. For example a "frequency response" chart basically tells you if there is any variation in loudness at various pitches (frequencies). That expensive speaker with the crossover dip, usually around 2khz, is probably going to be lacking in vocal clarity. Or one with a big bulge at 100hz is going to be boomy sounding. It is just a waste of time to even consider either. If I can read a chart and rule it out without all the fuss of ordering, waiting, listening, returning then ordering something else over and over... then the measurements have served me well.
I'm a big fan of "digging deeper" and always learning new stuff. It's part of the fun of this whole tinkerer's hobby. The more you know the easier it is to get things together and working.
For me it's all about the music. My system right now is very stable so I'm not prone to mess with it. I will work on a system until it gives me what I want and then, unless it complains, I'm good for just sitting back and "lovin' ma tunes".
Happy listening!
MacIntosh has been bought out by Bose
While I'm hear,as a hobbyist amplifier,speaker builder,and vintage turntable modifier restorer,if you are buying a tube amplifier no matter what brand and price,if the tube sockets are mounted on the PCB and not hard mounted onto the chassis,if you're tube roller you will regret it as you will crack solder joints,doesn't matter how much support there is under the PCB,you will crack solder joints and worse copper traces.
There are probably 10 to 15 reviewers on UA-cam,I would not give the time of day,you know the ones I'm talking about the one that have the flashy channels with a production team😂
Please, please, please title each video to indicate its content in some way. Having every video with the same title (your channel name) is making your channel much less usable. That's a shame because you have some good stuff.
I totally agree. It helps to number them too.
Several UA-cam channels have been threatened with lawsuits because they were not harsh, just honest, that part of the rant is missing perspective.
Most of these reviewers won’t get stuff sent to them if they start telling their actual opinions. Lots of them have bad hearing too. If you watch z reviews he reviews dacs all the time, and he admits that he desent hear any difference in most of them. The cheap audio man thinks Polk rti a7s sound good. Don’t trust any of them until you have heard a few things they have reviewed, and you can tell if you agree with their opinions.
Liked your video, but burn in is a fact. No way around it! Min 200hrs. You can hear it!
Please title the videos in a usefully descriptive way. I want to know what it is that I'm about to watch or not watch.