SETS VS STATS - WHAT YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD! A Player's Guide | RAID: Shadow Legends
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- The common wisdom can be wrong, and in this case I think it is. Let me teach you a better way to gear your champions and also choose which artifacts to keep and which to sell.
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This is exactly the type of content I needed. As a new player,
I was uncertain whether to focus on stats or gear bonuses.
thanks a lot man keep up the good work
Oooh - you found a controversial one. In general, you always want to be accumulating more stats. The question is how you get those stats. Since sets give stats as a bonus, I try really hard to use sets as often as possible. But, sometimes, a broken set piece will just fit what you need. So, yes, I lean towards stats from sets. But each player has to figure out their own method.
This is top content for the most people who arent have the knowledge in this game. You are the "teacher" i always searched for ! 🤣 Thank you for that !!!
Thanks! I'm glad you're finding the videos helpful. 👍
I was going to oppose to this but i think You explained the concept really well, the fact that the most optimized way to use artifact as a whole in an account is to grup them by sets, the only thing i have to Say is that i think there is a long way to go before that is an optimized choice, as for a long time your Best builds Will be from broken sets, except for perception, and a bit later resistance for res builds. I think we should think of this as a long way to optimize our accounts when able to complete efficient builds by using sets.
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@Toedju I see your point, but consider this - if you practice "stats over sets" and so you invest in many broken set pieces, you're going to build an account that has momentum in that direction. Switching out great broken pieces is hard, but selling great broken pieces is even harder, because you've already invested millions of silver and multiple glyphs into those pieces. You're better off building your account from the ground up in the optimal way. And the optimal way is to only use broken sets when absolutely necessary. Roll up fewer or even no broken pieces outside of the best sets I mentioned. Then, if you need an off-set piece, you'll have a greater chance of a set bonus, and you'll never feel the need to throw out your rolled up broken pieces. The concept in this video isn't only for end-game, it's for starting off on the right foot with gearing and continuing to get the most possible value from your artifacts, both in the immediate usage, and for the lifetime of your account.
@@ColredPlaysRSL We can agree to disagree, I think you can opt out later and the improvement you get from using the best possible builds can pay for itself in other resources. In my case this does not apply as using the trick to upgrade gear I have plenty millions to switch gear if i ever want too. Following this method I got lydia in under 240 days and finished the 3 hard dt rotations in just over 270 days, and farm hard dungeons. Using the hh optimizer, whenever i tried to force sets into builds to optimize the gear to its maximum, as I already thought of this, the quality of builds i got back were way below what i could do with the adecuate broken pieces.
@@ColredPlaysRSL "Switching out great broken pieces is hard, but selling great broken pieces is even harder"
stats over sets dont mean to level trash.
and why call them broken pieces? "off-set pieces" as you also call the pieces we use "stats over sets" fits much better
so why should it be hard? every normal person would be happy if they find the missing piece to complete the set and gladly switch it.
and after swithing it, why should the player sell it? just becourse he used it with parts from another set? no, it goes back in the inventory and can be used on a nother champ that needs that part.
the other content creators that use the wisedom "stats over sets" do not say, level trash.
you simply are a beast you are very structured and well though on your teaching. Great videos for every player
@gtsfood2000 Thanks! I appreciate the encouraging words.
amazing vid, as always. the best probably content for new or mid players! 🍻
@Fifty92Mine Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Another great vid as always. I'm going to say the best gear advice vid that I've ever seen. I try not to break sets unless really needed but I had never really considered the snowball effect of breaking sets. Just one example out of a ton a great advice.
@brianhensley6011 Thanks, Brian! Like I said in the video, breaking sets can be okay in the short term, but it shouldn't be a long-term strategy for gear collection. I think what you just said hits the nail on the head: "I try not to break sets unless really needed." Sometimes it's needed, but you get more value for your account if you can do the job without breaking the sets whenever possible. Thanks for the comment!
I am so glad that you made this video, as I have said something similar, but for slightly different reasons. In the early to mid game set bonuses are crucial to achieve certain thresholds and your gear is positively lacking decent pieces, so you have to have complete sets to progress. As you progress towards late game it changes somewhat, as you have gained good/great, and maybe a few god tier pieces.
However, imo, their is one exception to this overall rule. The most important team in this game is still UNM CB, so dedicate your best pieces, even in broken sets to your CB team to achieve the maximum stats that you can, and the best place to do that is on the @HH optimiser (time needed to examine each piece by eye rather than by computing speeds), and lock them out in the optimiser. For the CB team will net you the most high end rewards in this game Books/Shards in particular. For that reason alone, break your account in the short/medium term for the long term good of your account and put these 5 in whatever is needed to achieve your 1/2 key UNB, even if none of them are in a complete set.
After that, whatever area of the game that is your focus, kit them out in complete sets, and keep the very best offset pieces in gear not designed for that type of champ eg. curing attack% chest with attack stats for a /bomber/nuker, and only do that when you have a surplus of the correct stats for any given set. Try to keep 1 off piece of each type in each set for that purpose as your account grows because if you pull someone that ignores 100%, Def, then you don't need to kit them out in savage for example, but you may have a god tier piece spare, it could happen lol, that would still help them nuke that bit harder than in a 2 piece complete set. Never break a 4 piece to reach stats because, as you said, you have ruined that set for your whole account, and 2 piece sets are easier to get, mostly, so try to limit off pieces to 2 piece set, if you can.
@StephenMarkley-ib6bd There is a great deal of complexity involved in determining how to gear optimally. It requires considerations of roster, players' goals, spending level, time in-game, efficiency of play style, prioritization of gear acquisition, and luck...and probably a few other things. As a result, I think the term "stats over sets" is just an easy shorthand that gets a decent job done for most people. My objection is that I think the term oversimplifies the issue and isn't a great teaching tool. It's not the worst thing in the world. I just happen to think we can do better.
@@ColredPlaysRSL I certainly agree with all that you said, which is why I only have the stats over sets rule when it comes to CB, or for short term farming, for the reasons previously mentioned. It's a bad blanket statement, and cc's, and some websites (Alucare) can do better by putting out a full disclaimer on it when doing so. I think it's a lazy statement that doesn't cover the complexity of when that might be right for you and when it's definitely not. For instance, you may wish to do that if your account has plateaued for some time, and you need to boost stats to progress further, like farming better gear at higher stage lvl, or for CB imo as 2 examples of this, but with the purpose of swapping out pieces asap. You can net more by breaking sets in the short term (sometimes) to farm for 5/6* from wearing 4* gear, or to farm FW legendary mats to make 6* perception/Resilience gear, then you match up your sets again for team building in other areas.
I think what you should really have highlighted is the fact that early game at stats over sets when you get into endgame, it’s more of a priority because you’re looking for more niche builds for PVP but PVE wise can still be stats over sets
@blazinraid Personally, I don't think the concept behind stats over sets is more valuable early game or end game. However, I do think that end game players understand the underlying concept much better than early game players. That's part of the problem with the phrase - those who understand the deeper intricacies don't need the phrase, and those who don't understand the fundamentals aren't going to learn them from simply hearing "stats over sets" repeated ad nauseam. Thanks for the comment!
I like how clearly you articulate yourself; definitely something to learn and work towards. When you speak, are you following a script or are you following an outline?
@mrburritoslayerRSL Thank you! I plan a rough outline for each video in my head either the night before or morning of. I often do research for each video, which may take several hours. Sometimes I will jot down a note or two if I need to remember a lot of names, or the ranking order of something. In general, the actual "script" is done extemporaneously, but I do have my editor Sun, so I can do multiple takes if I need to, and he'll edit the best pieces together. That's it! I hope that answers your question. Thanks for the comment!
Stats over sets really is early game and up to sort of late-midgame stuff imo, The only way stats over sets matters after that is if your sets are just bad for the certain champ your gonna run it in, like as long as your not losing insane stats, the sets are generally more worthwhile.
@zherki1152 It's funny, because a portion of commenters on this topic have said that "stats over sets" applies mostly to early game. Another segment of commenters claims it only really makes sense at end game. My personal opinion is that it always makes sense in limited cases, but employed too heavily, it becomes problematic for an account, especially a F2P account. Clearly, there isn't a consensus on this issue. I do sincerely appreciate you sharing your opinion. I think the more comments I read, and the more perspectives I see, the more I am convinced that this topic is valuable as an ongoing discussion, rather than a "set it and forget it" maxim that some members of the community seem to feel it is. Thanks so much for the comment! 🫡
Just to let you know I had sets right and I was hitting hard or should I say holding my own in PVE and PVP, so I start changing to stats over sets and thought how come will this be a better approach as ill be loosing what the set offers. Not listening to myself I change to stats first and I am not happy to report originally I was correct, say in CB I was with sets hitting 29000000 now to hitting 20-24000000 with stats, I have lost so much and I though it was me just gearing wrong but I now see the light that my original approach was the right one. SO THANKS SO MUCH FOR PUSHING ME BACK IN WHAT I BELIEVED. I almost quite the game the frustration was too much. I believe full sets fill what stats are loosing so you actually gaining and even better in the long run with glyphs IM WITH YOU MY MAN>
@7oxalott_78 Stats are important. But often, sets ARE stats. So, go for the stats you need, but do it in the sets that make the most sense. Broken pieces are okay, temporary measures to get you over the hump when you need them. But broken pieces are not the goal, nor should they even be the norm. Glad I could help you out. Thanks for the comment!
Thanks Col
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@IPR_Anonymous Thank you! I appreciate the encouragement. And the sub. 🫡
The man simply does not miss
@LimboGcX Thanks! 🎯
I think a lot depends on the stage of the game and what gear u need
I'm still early game and got an amazing pair of gloves with crit rate, speed and att % with good rolls. I don't care if they are in Curing, they r my best gloves so far.
@jamiemac12580 Fair enough. It's good for you to get value out of your gear. That's what this video is about. However, if you start collecting too many pieces like that, you're going to end up with a collection of mismatched pieces in sets that provide no additional value. The same gloves in the resilience or retaliation set would be more valuable for your account. That's the part of the equation that "stats over sets" fails to include. Thanks for the comment!
Early game stats over sets is when it is absolutely true, only caveat I would say to that is perception gear giving you 2 amazing stats goes along way even if the singular artifacts aren't great, obv not terrible ones like flat bottom row, those I would slap on random food rares for eary FW stages so your constantly getting glyphs and can do your daily advanced quest.
@@ColredPlaysRSL kinda Late but hopefully my Q gets answered . Do we just sell good substat top row if the set is garbage like say life or destroy? I've looked allover the internet and noboody has a specific guide on what substats doon't go well together and should get sold
I was talking about this yesterday in Discord and you posted this today?! Colred, are you spying on me? 😂😂😂
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@synxiec This has been on the agenda for weeks. And, yes, I've been "spying" on your discord posts. What's that called again? Oh yeah...reading. 😜
Totally agree here, I see so many optimiser builds and these people just have tons of "godlike" gear but still struggle with doing damage because they have no savage gear or don't have stun sets etc because they have broken sets all over their account.
I've always kept sets with "build types" in mind, for example, my Raglin was geared in really def and speed heavy Regen and immortal for a long time. That gear is its own group of gear in my eyes, the only time I'm separating those pieces is if I'm min-maxing a better piece into the group.
This group of gear can be transferred onto other champs if I want them to be tanky and fast in regen. This happened, I transferred this gear onto any revivers/protectors to complete faction wars, then it went back onto raglin.
I don't like the term stats over sets, I think it simplifies a complex concept and too many people take it as gospel.
@charlespockert8948 "I don't like the term stats over sets, I think it simplifies a complex concept and too many people take it as gospel." THAT should have been my whole video. Lol. Perfectly put. Thanks for the comment!
Will be going over problems as the video progresses:
First the stats over sets phrase originally came from savage and relentless or atleast those were the big offenders (stun set to some extent. Because you could not get to the same stats with forcing those sets. (will elaborate later)
The skullcrown example, you said that you can get to the same stats with breaking the perception, but that's not a good example, because in this case your options are getting to the same stats with breaking the stun set and not th perception, or force the stun set but with like flat hp or attack gloves/chest and boots (if you have those and the top row is your perception) so stun set Skullcrown would look like 40% critrate with like 2.2k attack 100 cdmg 150 speed overall.
2. The value reduction is partiaclly true, because it is a case by case basis. The example was good, just a little refinement, because once you hit the critical mass treshold, there is no real value reduction. For exmaple if i have 8 good speed boots in savage and i am not going to build 8 champs with savage in the forseeable future, the value i lose with breaking said set does not really exsist, same for the top row. It's a bit trickier for relentless, because it is one of the top set for hydra, but if you only see yourself building relentless for hydra 1 year later saving those pieces means those are esentially dead for the next your or so.
3. The HH optimizer, it seems like you can make better builds, but it's not really true, while you have the option to make decisions on the fly, gearing 1 champ would take an hour while the optimizer does it in minute, and the difference is at most 5%. You see, while i can make decisions, i can't look at the 1.2k artifacts with some thrown onto champs and consider every offpiece, I mean you can it just takes an hour or 2, and that is only for a singel champ. If you have the time and rescourses and stuff sure, but the only difference you make, is that you can change up the builds on champs that you would otherwise lock for the optimizer, like your arena or cb team and for all of that the benefit is really minor. (and the fact that you can roll up stuff on the fly, but again if you have the silver you can just roll the gear first and then use the optimizer plus you can pay attention to stats that you wouldn't put in the optimizer, because your priority is different, but you absolutly care about.)
@orsdekany2594 Okay, well thanks for the feedback. Although I disagree with most of your points, it's very good to have the discussion and to have it in detail with actual nuance that doesn't exist in a simple phrase like "stats over sets." That's the underlying purpose of this video - to engage the community in a deeper discussion of the topic. So i appreciate your contribution to that discussion. 🫡
I think in some builds, esp. Hydra RES is also an important stat to consider...Mischief Tanks for example need that high Res, your cleansers and champions that provide you shields and other buffs could also benefit form a good measure of Resistance as well.
@mattwilsonms There are a lot of battles where specific stats are important. You don't need high RES is every fight, but when you do, it's critically important, yes. A Mischief tank is the perfect example. Thanks for the comment!
Stats over sets for my 1-key clan boss team. All affinities and in 4 difficulties. Over 100M damage on UNM. I also watched lately the build of BiohacksTV on his amazing Staltus for the live arena. His Staltus has a lifesteal chestplate which has good stats.
@ChristopherJomenAngkolToper Stats get the job done. You've got your UNM 1-key, so that's proof enough. I also have a 1-key UNM with over 100M. My point in this video is not that stats don't matter - in fact, I say the opposite multiple times. My point is that giving away free stat bonuses that exist on sets is a bad strategic decision for the long run. Can it work? Sure. Lots of sub-optimal strategies can still win. But when you're F2P and every bit of every resource matters, the bonuses you get from sets are a considerable benefit to your gearing potential, and you shouldn't throw away those bonuses unless you absolutely have to. And you should always collect good pieces of gear in the right sets on the off chance you can complete one of those extra bonuses while compiling the stats you need. Thanks for the comment!
@@ColredPlaysRSL agree on you man. In the long run sets is better than those broken build. I also forgot that my iron twin team have broken build except geomancer just only to get the right speed. I really wanted my champs to be built in sets especially arena teams and hydra teams.
@ChristopherJomenAngkolToper I'm glad we agree! 🫡 Yeah, sometimes you can't get away from the broken set pieces for a particular team composition, no matter how hard you try. That's just the nature of the game. I appreciate the comments!
Stats over Sets
That phrase is quickly explained : but first! it is not a phrase, it is a wisdom
If you need certain values, lets say x Speed to be faster then the Boss.
And if you cant reach the needet stats with complete Sets, then it is okay/better to use
broken Sets, if you with the "broken" Set can reach the Stats you need.
So that is not a bad phrase, you just have to understand what it means.
you make it sound like something bad, and that's not it
It doesnt mean that it is the ultima goal to reach the stats no matter what, if it is with complete or broken sets.
it is a way to reach the stats until you have the the matching parts in the set you want.
And let us be honest, f2p and in the early game you often dont have the matching pieces.
Sure is it better if you can reach the Stats with complete sets.
I don't think anyone has ever contradicted that.
and you don´t lose any bonus for your account.
in the inventory no bonus works either
you dont reduce the value of your artifact collection
the artifact ist not lost, it is still there, just not in your inventory but on a champ.
you can remove it any time if you need it on a different champ
that has no affect on how you collect gear. you dont collect complete sets, you collect pieces
and put them together to complete sets, if you can.
if you cant, they are "dead capital" in your inventory and they have more value if they
serve a purpose on a champ as a (let us call it) placeholder until you find a better piece
if you cant reach your goal with complete sets, but with "broken" sets you can chose
1. wait until you have the right pieces
2. finish the task with "broken" sets and chance the gear later, when you got the right pieces
i dont think if you choose 2 that it is the wrong mentality
ps: sorry if my english isnt perfect. i van live with that, i hope you do too
@NordlysFL I understand what the phrase means. I also understand the logic behind it - in fact, I start my video by explaining it. But the phrase IS a bad thing, because it oversimplifies an idea to the point of rendering the wisdom it contains meaningless. In other words, it's a cliche. And as such, it can cause more damage than good. That doesn't mean there isn't wisdom in the underlying idea, but that's the point of this video - to examine the underlying idea and show players how to make their own judgments when it comes to gear, not just for one champion, but for their entire account. That's a much more valuable type of wisdom, because it's practicable, it's adaptable, and it's always relevant to the player who's choosing the gear. Thanks for the comment!
@@ColredPlaysRSL a phrase may be a bad thing. BUT AGAIN "stats over sets" is not a phrase.
you are trying to make it a phrase. but a apple is a apple and not a pear, just becourse you dont like the apple
the other content creators dont only use the words, "stats over sets" they have great videos thats explains how it is meant
and they dont say, level trash, even if you try to present it that way
your "WHAT YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD!" is a phrase.
god night!
@NordlysFL I'm not really sure how to respond to your insistence that "stats over sets" isn't a phrase. Maybe there's some language confusion at play here, and I'm misunderstanding your objection. I do agree with you that other content creators have explained their ideas behind gearing in great detail in their videos. I have watched many of them. Some of them are excellent, some are just okay, and none of them are perfect - including my own. Many of those content creators summarize their points by saying the words "stats over sets" repeatedly. And those are often the words that are remembered and passed along in the community. Regardless of the words being used, one thing I've noticed is that the discussion of how to build a collection of gear, as opposed to how to build a single champion, rarely comes up. And when it does, there's more than enough room for debate on the optimal method. That's the debate I'm interested in, and the one I put forth in this video. Thanks again, and have a good night. ✌️
@@ColredPlaysRSL "Maybe there's some language confusion at play here, and I'm misunderstanding your objection."
that is quite possible
where i come from "phrase" has a negative touch.
like: meaningless statement , hollow statement or silly statement
and wisdom describes something completely different
like: teaching gained through experience
if both have the same meaning for you,(you use both to refer to it) then we are misunderstanding each other.
since it is your native language and not mine, the fault would be mine
since raid is not a role-playing game with a walktrough solution that you can simply follow 1 to 1,
no video will ever be perfect
you once used as part of one of your titles: "The BEST RAID GUIDE You'll Ever Watch" or like here "WHAT YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD"
and of course in capital letters, almost challenges comments like mine
your videos shows one way and not the one and only. as well as "stats over sets" only shows another way to "the goal"/a interim goal
what bothers me is that you give a far too bad impression of "stats over sets"
I agree with you on many things, so that's not against you
But maybe you should be more friendly towards other ways of playing
"the discussion of how to build a collection of gear, as opposed to how to build a single champion, rarely comes up"
If you included this in every video where "stats over sets" is used, no one would watch the videos to the end.
to cover it completely it would at least take hours
and there are probably too many champs and locations and ways of playing etc to find an optimal method
at most one method which suits you personally best
That doesn't make the others worse or better, just different
@NordlysFL Okay, I understand you a bit better now. Thank you for the explanation. Typically, in American english at least, a "phrase" is just a string of words that is used as a unit to express an idea. It may or may not be a sentence. For instance, "no problem," is a commonly used phrase as a response to the phrase "thank you." There's no negative meaning attached.
As for your objection to my approach in my videos, I will say in my defense that I actually often champion a variety of play styles. I frequently state that I don't know everything, that players should game the way they want, and that my viewers should continue their research on their own. I even frequently point out the community resources available to do just that, and I consistently praise the community of CCs that provide RAID content. My videos are designed to explain a foundation of skills and knowledge that I've personally used to make progress in RAID, and to perhaps suggest some questions for further investigation on the part of my viewers. However, when I think that the commonly accepted community stance is lacking in some way, I think it's useful, meaningful, and responsible to point out that lack. I'm happy to debate people (like you) who disagree with any of my videos, assuming we can all be reasonable, open-minded, and courteous.
As for my thumbnails and video titles, they are occasionally provocative to some minor degree. I deliberately try not to overdo it, but finding the magic formula for a thumbnail that gets a high click-through rate is tricky, and requires some experimentation. I'm new to UA-cam. I'm trying to build a community. I want to do that in a way consistent with the principles I live and game by. In order to do that, sometimes I try something outside of my safe zone to see what kind of response it gets. Yet, I've never intentionally insulted another CC, or a viewer, or a commenter on one of my videos, even if I disagree with them. And if I do disagree with someone, I never call them out, or belittle their opinion. I simply state my objection to their position clearly and without malice. If it's a content creator, I will often praise them in the same breath that I disagree with them, because I know exactly how hard it is to do this job.
I appreciate your patience and your detailed explanation of your objections to my video. It's useful to hear from people who disagree with me. By the way, your english is excellent.
Thanks for the comments!
Hello Colred,
I have been wondering about something for awhile now, and I bet you might know the answer to this question... Ignoring the cost of rolls, etc., is a fully upgraded and enhanced Legendary artifact actually stronger than a fully upgraded and enhanced Common artifact? I understand that it is cheaper in the end to get all the sub-stats at one time, but when both are fully upgraded, is that Common item going to be equal to the Legendary one? Just without an orange border... This is sort of like the age old question, should I buy a factory made hot rod computer, or is it better to build one yourself using high quality parts? _"Sort of" being the operative phrase..._
@TimBear-px9gj It's an interesting question. Now, the main stat of any item is completely dependent upon it's star rating. So any 6-star HP% chest piece will grant a 60% HP increase, regardless of the rarity of the artifact. However, the number of total sub-stats is determined by the rarity. Every piece, regardless of rarity, will gain one sub-stat roll at lvls 4, 8, 12, and 16. Since an epic rarity artifact (for instance) starts with 3 sub-stat rolls, it will end up with 7 total rolls. A common piece starts with none, and ends up with 4. So this is why higher rarity pieces are more powerful. Additionally, a Legendary piece can get a quad roll into a sub-stat, potentially giving a massive boost to one stat. A common piece can never get more than the base roll in any sub-stat. I hope that answers your question!
first comment, love your vids colred. incase you didnt know there was a solar eclipse today. anyway, hope youre doing well!
@jessethorn4729 I did not know that. Thanks for the info, and the comment!
I mean you can always steal the piece for someone else later
@sjaakbakker9944 You can. But then you have to pay silver and fill the new hole in the previous champion's gear. I'm not saying you shouldn't do it when it's necessary, but gear swapping shouldn't ever be the goal.
@@ColredPlaysRSL it’s always an option, they do reduced gear removal cost events more often now too. Finding good pieces to steal is also easy with the optimiser