Parts of the video have stutters etc. Most of this was due to recording the flights directly on the headset. It was very smooth in the headset :) although I did get some micro-stutters. If you have the Reverb G2 then economically it makes sense to stick with that for now, but if your looking to get into VR then PICO 4 must be a consideration.
Very interesting. Can I make viewers aware that Amazon don't have the 128GB version in stock at the moment so you'll be offered scalper pricing 🤮! 256GB is £449 and "supplied by Amazon".
Mark, I believe that for streaming to the headset it is important to have the fastest WIFI connection (ideally 6E but 5 should work) rather than ISP speed (although that matters as well). Hopefully they'll sort out the cable data transfer, but that might be a hardware issue rather than firmware. I'm still waiting for variable dioptre lenses which are trivial to implement and I don't know why so few headsets don't offer it.
@@SimHangerFS Sorry Mark, it wasn't a criticism of you, but I don't think most people know that if Amazon are out of stock of a product you will often be shown a third party seller who will often have scalping level pricing. This seems especially the case with flight Sim products. Wait for Amazon themselves to have stock, as with the 256GB version which would be my choice anyway.
Best video on setting up the Pico 4 by far! You saved my Pico from being retired, I was desperate as I couldn‘t get it sharp, even with VD. And now the Pico is close to the G2, you‘re right, the difference is marginal. For me, only letters or numbers in magenta color are a kind of blurred compared to the G2 but that is not a show-stopper at all! Thank you!!
Ive a G2 and its not that much better then a Oculus CV1. VR is being developed at a slower rate than Star Citizen, which is about comatose at times. For me, VR isn't worth the hassle, head tracking is far less intrusive.
Fantastic review Mark and thankyou for the shout out :) I too, never expected to love the Pico 4 this much. On a side note, you just have to play Half Life Alyx with this headset, it's really phenomenal!! Take care. 🛩️
Buy it, Buy it, Buy it..... Even with my AMD 6800 card this headset freaking rocks. And the face comfort thing has either been fixed or they made this thing to fit my head. I have no issues with light leakage or discomfort. The Pico 4 is hands down a major visual improvement for MSFS over the Quest 2. I think all PCVR games actually look better but I'm only here to talk about MSFS and the Pico 4. I debated whether to buy a Pico since I have and for the most part really enjoy my Quest 2. However there is always this nagging issue of clarity with the quest when trying to read gauges and the screens in planes. After watching this post and others like it I thought I would get the Pico and be ready to upgrade to a 7900 xtx or that other GPU that I can't bare to speak outloud because of the price. However I really wanted to spend my coins on a DOF Reality 2H motion rig. Can't buy both and still have a place to live (wifey would kill me). So I gambled hoping and praying that the Pico 4 could deliver a little more clarity with my sad little 6800(not even the XT). Dude this thing not only kills in the clarity category but I also some how am getting about 20-25 more FPS than before. This is with increased resolution HOW SWAY... What the hell is going on. This is with only 2 hours of playing with settings in Steam VR, Open XR, and MSFS itself. Sorry so long winded but I'm so stoked I just want to let everyone on the fence about this know Buy it. I live in Tennessee btw I bought mine from Walmart on the web. Delivered UPS in 2 days with absolutely no issues. Oh BTW I turned off Upscaling in Open XR and what I assume was the Video Compression Artifacts went bye bye. I do have a dedicated wifi network for my Pico that i'm less than 15 feet away from router as well. CPU is Ryzen 9 5700 32 GB of Ram sorry don't now the speed.
Absolutely great comments. I am where you were in the decision making process - need a balance between an h2 rig and the gpu! Exactly which gpu do you have currently and how would you describe the visuals for GA flying please?
Was a little confusion around broadband connection. Internet Broadband connection yes for MSFS, but excellent local WI-FI is what’s needed for streaming for the host PC. Ideally the PC is wired to the WI-FI router and the headset connects on 5G band. Works OK for both headset and PC on 5G Wi-Fi, depending on where router is. Great video A+
Yea, for some reason i've seen multiple reviewers talk about beefy internet connections required when using Virtual Desktop with the Pico, it made me wonder if for some reason the pico VD version was streaming over wan instead of lan which would have been very strange. But yea, just people confusing wifi with internett.
Another great video. I tried the pico4 a couple of weeks back, it really is capable of some stunning visuals but, as you stated, it really works the GPU and my 3080ti just drowned under it, i managed about 1fps at the quality needed. I used the USB-C to Ethernet method of connection and it was solid and fast. I sent the pico back as i am not in a position to get a 4090 yet.
Hi Dave..I have the 4090 & Pico 4, but its connected via the supplied USB C to USB 3.0 cable,but I only get around 8600mbs - not quite 1gb? The visuals are quite smooth (external views), but cant max out on ultra settings for all,but views around cockpit (a little laggy)? Didnt know you adapt to connect to the PC ethernet port, but what if your on a wired Ethernet connection that has only 1 port? Also you think will this be a better solution the the standard USB C - USE 3.0 connection? Help greatly appreciated..many thanks, Mike
I got one to replace my Quest 2, was weighing up to get the Quest 3. But I managed to snag a brand new Pico 4 from a guy who tried it and just got sick in VR, was about 50% of the original cost - even had some of the protective covers still on. Coming from the Q2 I really think Meta underestimated how powerful ergonomics can be, with the quick set headstrap and the battery in the back its night and day compared to the quest. Makes me want to put it on so much more often, this has changed my VR experience so much despite the visuals being amazing. Great review!
You are the grandad everyone should have. I own the Pico 4, its fantastic. Listen to your grandads folks . Its generally good advice. ps from a grandad.x
I have a 3090 and the Pico 4, and it serves me fine. I have over a hundred hours flying with it, but yes, if Pico ever released a DP-capable version of the Pico 4 (the 3rd gen version of the Pico VR headset was available that way), I would be one of the first to trade my HMD for that. A 4090 would be lovely, especially once frame generation in VR becomes a configurable setting. I think as long as you lower some settings, you can still get smooth, clear performance with the 3000 series cards.
I've been thinking of upgrading from my Quest 2 due to the lenses and limited IPD selection causing a relatively small sweet spot and rather blurry vision + low fov overall. This may be a contender as it tackles the core issues I've had with my Q2 in the last two years.. certainly comes in at a competitive price as well! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and also the kind words in regard to our Mini-500! Just shared this with the team, they will be very pleased to hear it's being enjoyed in VR! - GotFriends Dev Mykrode
Hi Mark. Great video again...I purchased a Pico 4 as an upgrade from my Rift S. I run a mid range system AMD Ryzen 7, 32 GB Ram and an RTX3070. I bought the Pico mainly for using with DCS as I had heard good things about it following a lot of research with RTX3070 users. For DCS and my setup I have seen a big improvement over my Rift S. I have used both Pico Streaming Assistant in USB Tethered mode and via WIFI and I have also used Virtual Desktop in WIFI mode only and also use Steam VR. Both give good performance which is further enhanced with your Open XR toolkit settings detailed in this video. Out of curiosity I tried my Pico with MSFS and again I get a big improvement in quality. I am getting about 50FPS and again with the combination of Open XR am getting a much better experience and crucially much better frame rates. I think (as you say) the Pico 4 is excellent value for what you get. What I would add is that I don't doubt for 1 min that an RTX4090 would improve my experience beyond measure but I do have to disagree with you slightly that a 4090 is required to use the Pico 4. For me buying a Pico 4 has been a game changer. Thanks again for the great work and content you put out for the flight sim community it is greatly appreciated.
I bought the Pico 4 upon release. I tried PCVR with virtual desktop, just out of curiosity, really. I was stunned at the quality of the results. I would recommend changing the facial interface.
Great video. I also bought a Pico 4 after watching Vr Flight sim guy, even tho I only have an RTX3090. I thought I could always upgrade to a 4090 later if needed. However I've found my newly built system- i7 13700k, Asus Tuf 3090, 32gb ddr5 6000mhz Ram, 2TB ssd allows me to run MSFS with Ultra setting and is very playable, However despite my GPU running it on the pico 4 better than expected, I can definitely see there's more potential to unlock so I will be upgrading to a 4090 at some point. Also as far as you needing more batteries for long play time, why not save money and just buy a 5mtr USB type C 3.0 and have it wired! Battery lasts way longer this way.
That's the problem with VR, just hasn't advanced beyond having a 5mtr cable hanging off a clunky head set, that your forever fiddling with. Doubt i'll dust off my G2 now i have a Tobi. Enjoy
First of all amazing video you explained everything quite well. You should really consider seting your VR bitrate to 100 or higher tho, this will make the picture much much sharper!
Thanks for this review. I've been using the Pico 4 for about a week and your tips were very helpful. I ordered prescription lenses for the Pico as I don't find it comfortable wearing my glasses under the headset.
Really tried with this headset on my rtx 4090 i7 13700 and 6700 Mbs but I never managed the clarity and depth of colour of my HP g2. It's not a bad headset if you've got the right kit but am sticking with the G2 for now. As always great review by Mark,
Very Good and Clear video : I was able to use MFS in VR with this Headset ! The result is very godd and good point is to record directly the video without using OBS studio or other editing app. I am very happy with it, knowing I will keep the HP Reverb G2 : I need to compare the performance of both devices. Again Thank you Mark for having created and published this very good Video and I highly recommend it to others simmers who want to dig into it, Cheers from Paris !
Would love to move to the Pico 4 from the Reverb meneer, as I love those pancake lenses. But the vrou will cut off my ballas if I bought a 4090 ;) Will have to wait for the DisplayPort version of the Pico4 .
I have an RTX3060 12gb RAM that I've used for years both with the Quest 2 (4.9k hours in VR) and now, finally with the PICO 4, and I have never had an issue. :) I LOVE LOVE LOVE the PICO 4. Not only does it look better but it also has nothing to do with FB. I also only use my headsets with Virtual Desktop playing Steam VR games.
What FPS are you getting in Microsoft Flight Simulator? I was just about to pull the trigger on this Pico 4 but his video of the video card requirements made me hesitate. I'm planning on running it over USB-C not Wifi.
@@publicname515 the frame rate is definitely dependent on your system and not the headset. I keep my setting pretty high because for games like FS I like quality over performance, for the most part. I haven't checked my actual frame rate. I do know it most likely isn't 60 fps but I don't have an issue flying at all. I could tweek the video settings down a bit and probably get it to run as smooth as butter. As far as which headset? The Pico 4 does have better image quality hands down and the Screen door effect isn't as bad as the quest 2 in my opinion. Pico 4 weighs less too. Lol I will be honest though. The facial interface isn't very comfy and I get light leak from each side of my face. Using the silicone cover that I have for my Quest, which fits but not perfectly helped a lot with the comfort issue and even helped with the light leak. I recommend buying a facial interface aftermarket. I haven't yet but I will soon. To sum up; I LOVE my Pico 4 and I haven't touched my Quest 2 in over a month now, if that tells you anything. :) Happy gaming!
@@FinalMyle Ahhh. I'm debating between the Quest 3 and the Pico 4... I'm leaning towards the Pico 4 because of his videos saying it has less screen door effect.
@@publicname515 I haven't tried a Q3 yet but from what I've seen and read, SDE is visibly less on the PICO due to the higher res per eye. I will have to add, and I just encountered this tonight playing Shadow Legend VR, a game in which has sword based melee and the PICO could not keep up with my hand swing nor direction of my swing if I swung too fast. The Quest 2 did not have this issue. I actually switched over to my Quest 2 to test and everything was fine. AND OMG does the PICO look 100x better than the Quest 2. LOL This is the only game I've experienced this on though. I also play Blade & Sorcery and I DID NOT have that issue using PICO 4. So maybe it's something with the latency on that one game? Anyway, I just thought I'd note that. Other than that, I haven't had an issue at all.
I'd like to try one to replace my Reverb G2 after seeing your video. Pico does not to sell in the USA, so it is just too risky should I have issues and need to return it somewhere overseas.
Out of curiosity, when you were in OpenXR toolkit you maxed out your override resolution to 3240x3240 per eye. How come you didn’t set that to 2160 x 2160 per eye to match your pico’s native resolution? I’m asking because if you render the game at 100% in steam or OpenXR then override in openxr toolkit to native res that usually provides excellent visuals along with excellent frames. Just was curious about this because I am still learning how all these layers work. For example for the G2 and playing DCS, I have Windows Mixed Reality Open XR tools set to 100% render scale. Then when DCS is running I open up OpenXR toolkit, and set Upscaling to CAS with sharpness at 20 - 35% depending on visuals and your eyes. From there I go to Override resolution and dial that down to match the 2160x2160 of the headset as close as possible. The net result for me is excellent detail and an increase in frames, best of both worlds and what I find to be the sweet spot in optimizations for the G2. Naturally I would think the same could apply to the Pico4 here. Thanks for the video and hope to see you trying this out in DCS sometime.
@@williamwidjaja850 thanks for that info. So I read up on this some. So barrel offsets the pin cushion effect and that is achieved by upping the resolution to 1.4. Mainly because of how our eyes see an image from a flat panel though curved lenses. Easy enough. What I’m still unsure about is I guess specifically to the G2 since that’s all I have right now. I’ve tried both ways, render at 140% and let it display 3200x3200 to the screen. Then I’ve done it the other way, render at 140% and then override it down to anywhere from 2160x2160 to 2426x2426. In both cases the image to my eyes looks the same. Keep in mind the only part of a G2 that looks good is the center sweet spot. No matter what the edges in peripheral look blurry so I can’t see any differences there either. Do you know what I am missing or is it simply a G2 thing. I’m moving over to Pimax soon so maybe this will be more noticeable to me on a Pimax. But thanks again for showing me about Pin and Barrel cushion effects
Hi. So I’ve been using a PICO 4 since Christmas. My hardware setup is first an Ethernet switch immediately after my computer. Then to an powered USB-C to Ethernet adapter connected to the PICO. By using a switch and Ethernet cables I’m not competing with all the other stuff that’s using my Wi-Fi at home. Finally I can only recommend glasses from VR optician which snaps into place with magnets and I think I saw that they were made by Zeiss which should be a familiar name in optics. Oh I’m running a 4080 GPU.
With my 'developing' cataracts I am sticking with my single screen Samsung 65"; maybe after cataracts are dealt with eh; thanks for posting and making me salivate about a VR headset eh :)
Hi Marc, i just got my Pico 4 and i am following step by step your guide! i wonder if there a rule how to set up the display resolution (per eye)? i your tutorial you mentioned you set it up to the max but i noticed in the lastest version one can go up even more (i had to stop at around 4800)..
Great video. Two things for me to do first is probably upgrade my Ryzen 5 2600 CPU and my RX 5700 XT Graphics Card. Another problem I have is that I found out PICO 4 is banned from the US or at least not available. I tried Amazon UK and the 128g is out of stock. Hopfully I can find one because it seems to the bang for my limited retirement buck. Thanks
Great stuff Mark ,another of your video's with a great deal of work put into it! Thanks for an interesting and informative video ,the Pico 4 certainly looks good ,never thought i would see you change from the G2 😀 . i'm still using the G2 and no plans to change as i'm still saving up to upgrade my pc ( waiting to see the reviews in April of the new AMD cpu 6800x3d ( i think its called lol ) . But as HP are leaving the VR space it's always nice to watch reviews of what's new and available as replacement's. Thanks again
I have a Pico 4 with MSFS through Steam. I am using a RTX 4070Ti with a 12 gen i7 and 32GB RAM. Using Virtual Desktop. I had the system working briefly can not make the FS work at all. I reinstalled several times but essentially it does not switch to VR properly. I followed the process to set up the computer recommended by others but still no luck. Any idea what is causing this or who I should be talking to ?
Love the videos! So I have an i9 13900k with 64GB 5300mhz RAM and a ASUS 4090, and 1300w PSU. Are there any settings from this video that you think I can bump up even more? ie; Where can I best leverage my components in the settings for the maximum visual experience? My Pico 4 arrives today!! Thanks!
Sadly for some reason I am having crashing, bad stuttering, and all matter of issues, and basically can't even fly in VR. Even if I do my set-up with the exact same settings as you. I don't know how much my internet speed is affecting my performance my PC is hard wired to the modem, and when I connect to VD it says 5Ghtz and about 450-550mbps. Is that not sufficient for the Pico 4? is that potentially what is causing my issue? Thanks Mark!
I personally use a 3060Ti / i5 1600K / 16Gb RAM / Virtual Desktop app / 60MB/s internet and it works completely fine with medium settings on the Pico 4. I wouldn't say no to a higher GPU of course, though the experience is already superb. DO NOT use the Pico Streaming assistant, the image quality is pretty bad and no settings an be tweaked.
There is a face gasket by AMVR that is far more comfortable, it'll increase the FOV as well as it is closer to your face. Less light leakage, would recommend. The glasses spacer works with the replacement gasket. I'm using it on a GTX 1070 // Intel 6600K with far less demanding games (HL Alyx etc), VR desktop set to medium, 120% scaling, rock solid 90 FPS. Couldn't be happier considering my asthmatic PC.
I now have an HP Reverb G2. Always keep up with your videos. Was just wondering and your estimate I have a i7 CPU and a RTX 3070 card that I just got a few months ago. Do you have an estimate of how well this headset would work or know anyone that you used it with a 3070 card in an i7 processor? Thank you for your continued help.
Thanks for the video. Wrt Virtual desktop, you install it on the Pico headset but what about the PC ? Does it install automatically on the PC as well ? Thanks !
Please throw away your eyeglasses! Get prescription lenses for your Pico4 headset (like VRopticial from Germany with around 1-week delivery, VR-ROCK or VR Lens Lab). The FOV is bigger with lenses in comparison to glasses - your eye is closer to the screen. The sweet spot is bigger too ... as prescription lenses are designed for your headset. Regarding hand tracking: It is considerably better in the new update 5.4.0. It is actually a useful feature especially when you don't use controllers in M$FS. (the hands are tracked once the headset lost sight of the controllers).
As always, great video. Followed it step-by-step. Took a while to realize I could not use my Steam version of Virtual Desktop. Other than that, perfect guidance. Two questions, if I may: 1. Started VR spring 2016. Kept my CV1 as a backup, when I got the Reverb. Now the Pico 4 will be my new backup. Still prefer my Reverb. When I go back to use my Reverb, what setting should I change? 2. What´s the likeliness that there will come up some third party DisplayPort solution/conversion? Once again, thank you for all your great job by SimHanger Flight Simulation !!!
@@SimHangerFS After 7Y in VR, you get pretty used to being blindfolded, but this OpenVRToolkit…. or did I miss something. I can adjust all the values except Exit menu timeout. How did you set this to: (-2147483648s) or anything above 10s
A very informative video, very nice indeed. I own the Pico 4 and until now i mostly played DCS. But now i bought MFS. Question i have: why the sharpness at only say 70 percent on virtual desktop and the openxr toolkit? Is it otherwise too much strain on your system?
this is great most people your age only know pc basics let alone flying planes in vr! so many kids and youtubers totally pass up or refuse to try vr or complain about the controllers or this or that but personally i love it andwish there were more vr sim youtubers out there i have a quest 2 and i was curious if the pico was better or not. btw i fly with my quest 2 in xplane with virtual desktop on my 2070 super gpu and im able to get just enough fps to have a good experience thats with the zibo the tollis gets better fps and the default ga planes more than that but i guess the pico might be harder to run than the quest? but im pretty sure a 4070 ti shoudl certainly be enough to run it my 2070s is leagues below and still handles the quest the pico cant be too far off from that oh and i cant hit full settings i have them turned downslightly
A franc sir that puts in the main title that pico4 needs a hight end gpu (like many other vr sets) Thanks man. Any recommendation for my humble 3070? :S. Currently using Rift s, lol. I prefere them to quest 2 for pcvr. Cheers and enjoy!
Hey man, what sort of performance / settings are you getting with the 3060 ti? I have one as well and I'm on the fence whether or not I should go VR for MSFS.
@@Allyourmonkeys I bought a pico last week and spent hours trying to get it running smooth with a 3060ti and ryzen 9 7900 64GB, no luck... swapped pico in store for a Q2 and all good. Maybe I didnt have a setting right, but I got nowhere close to smooth
I plan to buy my first VR Gogles, my PC configuration: Ryzen9 5900X, RTX3060 12GB, 64GB, Xbox Series X, Switch, Asus RT-AC86U@Merlin router. Apart from VR games - I plan to buy a HDMI grabber to stream image from consoles to goggles 1080p60Hz via PC in real time (passtrought), in the case of: 1. Xbox Series X - 1080p60Hz -> 60fps 2. Switch 1080p30Hz/60Hz -> 60fps or 30fps-> [VR gogles] frame interpolation 60fps - IS THIS possible? My main concern is not to occupy the TV, but also not to stream to the Switch screen (Sunrise -> Moonlight (homebrew) 720p) and to have a large screen with good blacks and nice colors, WITHOUT STUTTERING. It doesn't have to be super sharp and 90/120fps, but it has to be without stuttering and with WIFI. Will Pico 4 (via WIFI) + hdmi grabber setup provide it for me?
Just wanna say Thanks! don't mind the amount from an unemployment like me. but the guide have proven to be doable (50fps) on my mid spec i9-9980HK + RTX3080Ti of course i set openxr resolution lower to 3116x3116
Happy for you and that you enjoy it. I recently tried Pico 4 a couple of weeks but never felt it could match the clarity of my G2 at 150-200% TAA and returned it. I can miss the mobility and lenses, but not soo much VD and Steam VR 😊 It’s a real shame Pico 4 can’t go past 3240x3240 (yet) it’s lenses has more to give! If we can supersample the image on the PC side I will probably give it another go. Keep us updated on your experience. Thanks alot!
You can actually go much higher than that (the 3240 limit is a bug of SteamVR) to do so, you can write value you want to registry at HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\OpenXR-Toolkit\FS2020 esolution_width (this will take effect after Ctrl-Tab). Right now I'm flying at 4468x4468
@@worldtourwiththemb-339a I believe I tried that aswell, but that reg-fix didn’t kicked in in FS2020 or in OpenXR. Does it show that resolution in FPS dialog inside FS2020? If so it does look alot better I can imagine? 😊
@@randomtechreviews it should be visibile in OpenXR Toolkit. Important thing is: do not modify it in the Toolkit, or it will get back to 3240. But it definitely works (the method comes from MBucchia, who's the Toolkit creator). And yes, graphic can be improved quite a lot.
Pity that the Pico 4 (like the Q2) does not support Local Dimming like the Quest Pro's higher quality screens do. Since the new v51 PTC update, msfs night flying with my Quest Pro has never looked soooo good!
This handtracking could become sweat. ATM this does not work with Virtual desktop unfortunately. But i can imagine this is great to use in DCS e.g. to enter some numbers in the UFC, especially when combined with the Winwing cockpit addon to get the physical sensation of touching real buttons as well. I hope it will work at some time with VD! All in all it is great that these options are build within it. Before you needed a Leap motion for this.
For me, when I open the flight sim with steam vr open and running normally, it doesn’t load in vr. When I try to press “vr mode” in settings, it just tells me “no vr headset found”
I got al really blurry image in the Pico, I can see maximum 50feet half sharp, the rest is pixeled, got about 30-40fps (limited at 90fps) and the frame rate showed in every eye is 18-25fps. Didn,t find any solution. got 13900k/(autoclock 6000Mhz), 4090 (auto tuning 2805Mhz) 32GB Ram, all overclocked. Steam VR resolution 180%, wifi 5Ghz connected. 😪
Thanks for a great video. Got the Pico 4 now, first VR goggles, so can’t claim to know what I’m doing… Running MSFS on an i9 13900, 5800 MHz DDR5 RAM and an RTX 4090…. as far as I can tell, the setting matches Mark’s setting BUT I only get 12-15FPS in VR… anyone with any suggestions please?
Make sure your not adjusting the MS OpenXR resolution above 100%. Also if wireless check your getting adequate bandwidth 100 mbps minimum and 150+ recommemded.
Thanks for getting back to me. Assuming we are talking WiFi bandwidth I’m showing in the region of 500Mbps… I somehow have a feeling GeForce Experience could be the culprit, but as far as I can tell it’s been disabled. UPDATE: In STEAM VR I reduced the resolution from 176% to 100% and now get 45-46FPS (using the same helicopter- nice by the way, and location as in the video. Happy again! 😃
Loving this headset for this sim..One problem I have tho as I fly the Fenix A320 and the 737 when I take the headset off there is no way to stop the headset from going into sleep mode…wish there was an option to keep headset in always on mode as I use my quest 2 link cable to keep it charged
@@SimHangerFS ok thanks I’ll try that cheers mark…still wish there was a option tho to keep it from going to sleep…apart from that loving the headset…just ordered the face cover from VR cover…Iv not tried flight sim yet as my headset didn’t turn up till 8pm last night..gave Alex a bash via virtual desktop max settings ran well this morning …I’ll be on flight sim tomorrow once Iv connected my flight gear back up 👍
Hey Mark. Great video. Do I need to get a version of Virtual desktop for installing on the PICO and then also purchase a version for the computer? Thank you.
No purchase VD in the Pico….it needs to be logged in the headset…and it includes an app/install for the PC. If you purchase direct on pc, you may need to purchase again on the Pico.
I've just got the pico 4 for msfs. I used it yesterday using the streaming app from pico and it was doing this juddery image movement even when head was still. Got it to work later without that but again today MSFS only has this juddery image movement even when in the MSFS menu screen. Maybe virtual desktop is worth the investment for this? I tried NMS and it was absolutely fine.
Would you recommend this over a HP Reverb G2? Keeping in my mind that I would use the pico 2 tethered using the USB? I also have a wide IPD and hate headsets such as Quest 2 with such a limited IPD adjustment.
Hello, Is it also possible to first start the sim, set your settings and then go to VR? My procedure now: -load SteamVR and OpenXR -Start the sim, make my settings, and start to flight. -Turn on the Pico and load Virtual Desktop/SteamVR -Switch MSFS to VR. --After that, MSFS is completely frozen!....
In Pico start Virtual Desktop. Launch stream. Select desktop from steam control panel. Start MSFS. Out of headset (if you wish) set up flight. On runway switch to vr in MSFS.
Well... bought a p4 yesterday. Nice guide. will keep my g2 for msfs 2020, since it looks much more crisp. p4 looks better then q2 and performance via VD is impressive. But how can somebody really come to the conclusion that it is better than the g2 for this game? (4090, 5800x3d, 32 gb 3600)
@@SimHangerFS look: I followed your guide. Used the resolution, ingame settings, vd settings and toolkit settings. We can agree on wider fov and it’s wireless oc. But it is far from beeing on par with the g2 experience when it comes to sharpness and far view. Wi-Fi 6 setup is optimal according to vd discord. Long time user for quest 2 and optimized it to the max…
It is not comparable. tried it and returned the Pico. horrible compression very bad image compared to Reverb G2. getting tired of really bad reviews like this. Looks like pico is sponsoring omg...
I’ve tried everything for the last 6 hours to get my new Pico 4 to go into full VR mode after launching SteamVR through Virtual Desktop and all it does is show a big curved screen and that’s it. I’m fed up of the damn thing now. Also mine has the dreaded ‘wavy lends’ fault where the image is noticeably wavy when looking around, especially when there’s text involved. I’m regretting buying mine and I’m at least going to take it back to exchange it and maybe just get a refund. It doesn’t even look that great with what I have seen so far. The colours are muted and there’s a slight screen door effect and everything looks a little fuzzy. When I go back to my Samsung QN90A, it looks so colourful and vibrant and high resolution compared to this.
In steam vr select desktop from steam menu, then start MSFS. Set up flight. On runway switch MSFS to vr. With controller press trigger pointing away from screen….and reset pilot position….and your done.
@@SimHangerFS thank you for going out of your way to help, I’ll try again later. I’ve requested an exchange due to the wavy lenses on the Pico 4 I received yesterday. It is like looking at one of those wavy mirrors and is really distracting. It’s a common problem with them apparently.
@@SimHangerFSI figured out what I was doing wrong. I had no keys assigned in MSFS to put it into VR mode. Once I did that, it worked. I got perfect frames per second on it in New York, given I have the i7-13700k and RTX 4090, but my god after 10 minutes I noticed my PC was getting louder and louder and my room was getting warmer and warmer so I turned it off. It really does push the PC hard. It was a relatively good experience, but not enough to put up with all the downsides and fiddling around with it, so it’s going back when Currys collects this faulty pair and I’m gonna say I don’t want the new pair. I may consider VR in the future with a headset that’s designed just for PC use to reduce the load on my PC, but for now, I am happy just using my TV 😀
@@MyHolidayArchive Mine is going back too. Wavy curves on the edges of the lenses and therefore also in the middle. How nobody notices this is beyond me. Gaslighted again by the internet....
Mine does too. did you ever figure out why? Happens wired or wireless. Quality looks great. Just a delay when looking around. Very slight but immersion breaking.
Hi, thanks for the vid. It's useful, but am i incorrect in thinking i can get full HD clarity on my pico 4? Like you you would on a monitor. My PC specs are: 4090, ryzen 7900x, 64gb @5200mhz. I'm trying to tweak my settings, but if im honest i dont know exactly what to look for. Like i said previous, im trying to achieve HD Clarity, but unsure if thats even possible. Any further advice would be great. Thanks
How’s the clarity on the horizon? I’ve had 2 attempts with this headset and couldn’t get it dialled in, found the colours a little washed out compared to the G2.
Colours are not as good, but only marginally so with my settings. Haven’t tried the option shown in the video to enhance video range yet. Horizon view is as good if not better than the G2
I think my GTX 1080 is not going to get anywhere near the image quality on this video with my pico 4 and flight sim. I've tried everything and the resolution is just not good enough, you cannot read the dials. Isn't it true you will need a rather powerful graphics card to achieve this image quality. Mimimum RTX 3090 I would say.
Hello I have everything working perfectly with the Pico except when I enter vr mode I end up sitting on top of the airliner cockpit from the waiste up and cant figure out how to lower myself into the cockpit? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
After watching this great tutorial, I was inclined to buy the PICO 4. I hesitated between this and QUEST 2, but since I don't care about dedicated games, I decided to go this way. My R9 5900x and 4070Ti do quite well in MSFS. I only have a problem with setting the controller support when I am in the FBW320 cockpit. They are some kind visible but with no reaction on instruments.... Do you have any way to solve this problem?? I will appreciate your help!
Hi again Mark, Iv been trying to find your video about locking frame rate to 45fps but i cant find it, Please could you link me to that video if you dont mind?
I’m running an AMD 6950xt Red Devil with a AMD5950x CPU and I’m hoping I’ll be able to run MSFS on the Pico. Anyone have a similar setup to mine and get it working?
Do you recommend using GeForce experience I have a RTX 3070 card. I did not have it installed on my computer afraid it will mess up my Microsoft flight simulator. But I was told I needed to record in VR Thank you for info
Question about the WiFi connection for wireless streaming. My PC supports WiFi 6 and I can configure it to create a wireless Hotspot. Can this be used to bypass the router WiFi and connect 'directly' to my PC?
Hi Mark, Could you please provide guidance how to connect the PICO 4 to MFS Store version. How the VR headset can be recognized when switching in VR mode using CTRL+TAB ? Thank you
@@SimHangerFS okay , did you installed virtual desktop app which is not a freeware app ? As it seems this app is required to work with MFS Store Version in VR Mode , thank you
Hi Marc, do you know what can be the reason why the "Nvidia Reflex Low Latency" is not active in my VR settings? i see the option but it is not active... Thank you!
Parts of the video have stutters etc. Most of this was due to recording the flights directly on the headset. It was very smooth in the headset :) although I did get some micro-stutters. If you have the Reverb G2 then economically it makes sense to stick with that for now, but if your looking to get into VR then PICO 4 must be a consideration.
Very interesting. Can I make viewers aware that Amazon don't have the 128GB version in stock at the moment so you'll be offered scalper pricing 🤮! 256GB is £449 and "supplied by Amazon".
@@ColinDyckes thanks, they had it two weeks ago!
Mark, I believe that for streaming to the headset it is important to have the fastest WIFI connection (ideally 6E but 5 should work) rather than ISP speed (although that matters as well). Hopefully they'll sort out the cable data transfer, but that might be a hardware issue rather than firmware.
I'm still waiting for variable dioptre lenses which are trivial to implement and I don't know why so few headsets don't offer it.
@@SimHangerFS Sorry Mark, it wasn't a criticism of you, but I don't think most people know that if Amazon are out of stock of a product you will often be shown a third party seller who will often have scalping level pricing. This seems especially the case with flight Sim products.
Wait for Amazon themselves to have stock, as with the 256GB version which would be my choice anyway.
@@ColinDyckes no I didn’t take it as a criticism, I hate scalpers too 😮
I love the pace and clearance of your speach! Thank you! ✌️😎
Best video on setting up the Pico 4 by far! You saved my Pico from being retired, I was desperate as I couldn‘t get it sharp, even with VD. And now the Pico is close to the G2, you‘re right, the difference is marginal. For me, only letters or numbers in magenta color are a kind of blurred compared to the G2 but that is not a show-stopper at all! Thank you!!
VR Headset will be perfect like monitors in the next 5 years. For now there is no VR Headset and gpu can handle great visuals like monitors.
Ive a G2 and its not that much better then a Oculus CV1. VR is being developed at a slower rate than Star Citizen, which is about comatose at times. For me, VR isn't worth the hassle, head tracking is far less intrusive.
Fantastic review Mark and thankyou for the shout out :) I too, never expected to love the Pico 4 this much. On a side note, you just have to play Half Life Alyx with this headset, it's really phenomenal!! Take care. 🛩️
Cool, thanks
Buy it, Buy it, Buy it..... Even with my AMD 6800 card this headset freaking rocks.
And the face comfort thing has either been fixed or they made this thing to fit my head. I have no issues with light leakage or discomfort.
The Pico 4 is hands down a major visual improvement for MSFS over the Quest 2. I think all PCVR games actually look better but I'm only here to talk about MSFS and the Pico 4. I debated whether to buy a Pico since I have and for the most part really enjoy my Quest 2. However there is always this nagging issue of clarity with the quest when trying to read gauges and the screens in planes. After watching this post and others like it I thought I would get the Pico and be ready to upgrade to a 7900 xtx or that other GPU that I can't bare to speak outloud because of the price. However I really wanted to spend my coins on a DOF Reality 2H motion rig. Can't buy both and still have a place to live (wifey would kill me).
So I gambled hoping and praying that the Pico 4 could deliver a little more clarity with my sad little 6800(not even the XT). Dude this thing not only kills in the clarity category but I also some how am getting about 20-25 more FPS than before. This is with increased resolution HOW SWAY... What the hell is going on. This is with only 2 hours of playing with settings in Steam VR, Open XR, and MSFS itself. Sorry so long winded but I'm so stoked I just want to let everyone on the fence about this know Buy it. I live in Tennessee btw I bought mine from Walmart on the web. Delivered UPS in 2 days with absolutely no issues. Oh BTW I turned off Upscaling in Open XR and what I assume was the Video Compression Artifacts went bye bye. I do have a dedicated wifi network for my Pico that i'm less than 15 feet away from router as well. CPU is Ryzen 9 5700 32 GB of Ram sorry don't now the speed.
Thanks for your feedback
Absolutely great comments. I am where you were in the decision making process - need a balance between an h2 rig and the gpu! Exactly which gpu do you have currently and how would you describe the visuals for GA flying please?
Great video and yes, Uwe is a hidden legend helping us all out on VR issues for the most part!
Yes, the Professor is a treasure 🥇
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Was a little confusion around broadband connection. Internet Broadband connection yes for MSFS, but excellent local WI-FI is what’s needed for streaming for the host PC. Ideally the PC is wired to the WI-FI router and the headset connects on 5G band. Works OK for both headset and PC on 5G Wi-Fi, depending on where router is.
Great video A+
Yea, for some reason i've seen multiple reviewers talk about beefy internet connections required when using Virtual Desktop with the Pico, it made me wonder if for some reason the pico VD version was streaming over wan instead of lan which would have been very strange. But yea, just people confusing wifi with internett.
Another great video. I tried the pico4 a couple of weeks back, it really is capable of some stunning visuals but, as you stated, it really works the GPU and my 3080ti just drowned under it, i managed about 1fps at the quality needed. I used the USB-C to Ethernet method of connection and it was solid and fast. I sent the pico back as i am not in a position to get a 4090 yet.
Hi Dave..I have the 4090 & Pico 4, but its connected via the supplied USB C to USB 3.0 cable,but I only get around 8600mbs - not quite 1gb? The visuals are quite smooth (external views), but cant max out on ultra settings for all,but views around cockpit (a little laggy)? Didnt know you adapt to connect to the PC ethernet port, but what if your on a wired Ethernet connection that has only 1 port? Also you think will this be a better solution the the standard USB C - USE 3.0 connection? Help greatly appreciated..many thanks, Mike
Excellent video as always. Thanks Mark.
Kind regards from Professor Shark🤣
Thank you Professor!
I got one to replace my Quest 2, was weighing up to get the Quest 3. But I managed to snag a brand new Pico 4 from a guy who tried it and just got sick in VR, was about 50% of the original cost - even had some of the protective covers still on. Coming from the Q2 I really think Meta underestimated how powerful ergonomics can be, with the quick set headstrap and the battery in the back its night and day compared to the quest. Makes me want to put it on so much more often, this has changed my VR experience so much despite the visuals being amazing. Great review!
Many thanks Mark, was eagerly waiting for this review. Very informative indeed.
Great content as always Mark. Nice added bonus seeing the Pico interface and settings.
You are the grandad everyone should have. I own the Pico 4, its fantastic. Listen to your grandads folks . Its generally good advice. ps from a grandad.x
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I have a 3090 and the Pico 4, and it serves me fine. I have over a hundred hours flying with it, but yes, if Pico ever released a DP-capable version of the Pico 4 (the 3rd gen version of the Pico VR headset was available that way), I would be one of the first to trade my HMD for that.
A 4090 would be lovely, especially once frame generation in VR becomes a configurable setting. I think as long as you lower some settings, you can still get smooth, clear performance with the 3000 series cards.
PICO 3 link
I've been thinking of upgrading from my Quest 2 due to the lenses and limited IPD selection causing a relatively small sweet spot and rather blurry vision + low fov overall. This may be a contender as it tackles the core issues I've had with my Q2 in the last two years.. certainly comes in at a competitive price as well!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and also the kind words in regard to our Mini-500! Just shared this with the team, they will be very pleased to hear it's being enjoyed in VR!
- GotFriends Dev Mykrode
Hi Mark. Great video again...I purchased a Pico 4 as an upgrade from my Rift S. I run a mid range system AMD Ryzen 7, 32 GB Ram and an RTX3070. I bought the Pico mainly for using with DCS as I had heard good things about it following a lot of research with RTX3070 users. For DCS and my setup I have seen a big improvement over my Rift S. I have used both Pico Streaming Assistant in USB Tethered mode and via WIFI and I have also used Virtual Desktop in WIFI mode only and also use Steam VR. Both give good performance which is further enhanced with your Open XR toolkit settings detailed in this video. Out of curiosity I tried my Pico with MSFS and again I get a big improvement in quality. I am getting about 50FPS and again with the combination of Open XR am getting a much better experience and crucially much better frame rates. I think (as you say) the Pico 4 is excellent value for what you get. What I would add is that I don't doubt for 1 min that an RTX4090 would improve my experience beyond measure but I do have to disagree with you slightly that a 4090 is required to use the Pico 4. For me buying a Pico 4 has been a game changer. Thanks again for the great work and content you put out for the flight sim community it is greatly appreciated.
Thanks for your feedback, I do appreciate it 👍
I bought the Pico 4 upon release. I tried PCVR with virtual desktop, just out of curiosity, really. I was stunned at the quality of the results. I would recommend changing the facial interface.
Great video. I also bought a Pico 4 after watching Vr Flight sim guy, even tho I only have an RTX3090. I thought I could always upgrade to a 4090 later if needed. However I've found my newly built system- i7 13700k, Asus Tuf 3090, 32gb ddr5 6000mhz Ram, 2TB ssd allows me to run MSFS with Ultra setting and is very playable, However despite my GPU running it on the pico 4 better than expected, I can definitely see there's more potential to unlock so I will be upgrading to a 4090 at some point.
Also as far as you needing more batteries for long play time, why not save money and just buy a 5mtr USB type C 3.0 and have it wired! Battery lasts way longer this way.
Also I use Bluetooth headphones when in MSFS with pico4 for much better immersion.
Thanks, I’ll get it a go 👍
That's the problem with VR, just hasn't advanced beyond having a 5mtr cable hanging off a clunky head set, that your forever fiddling with. Doubt i'll dust off my G2 now i have a Tobi. Enjoy
Mark you are the man! Great guide. I'm getting my Pico4 set up now!
First of all amazing video you explained everything quite well. You should really consider seting your VR bitrate to 100 or higher tho,
this will make the picture much much sharper!
I dont know why he set vr bitrate to 60.
Thanks for this review. I've been using the Pico 4 for about a week and your tips were very helpful.
I ordered prescription lenses for the Pico as I don't find it comfortable wearing my glasses under the headset.
Really tried with this headset on my rtx 4090 i7 13700 and 6700 Mbs but I never managed the clarity and depth of colour of my HP g2. It's not a bad headset if you've got the right kit but am sticking with the G2 for now. As always great review by Mark,
are you using a good router and virtual desktop ?
@@martales8563 Well, standard BT smarthub running full fibre (900mbs) and yes virtual desktop.
Can’t wait to get into this. Looks complex but hopefully….
This is an amazing time to be alive if you are a flight sim enthusiast!
Very Good and Clear video : I was able to use MFS in VR with this Headset ! The result is very godd and good point is to record directly the video without using OBS studio or other editing app. I am very happy with it, knowing I will keep the HP Reverb G2 : I need to compare the performance of both devices. Again Thank you Mark for having created and published this very good Video and I highly recommend it to others simmers who want to dig into it, Cheers from Paris !
Thank you.
Would love to move to the Pico 4 from the Reverb meneer, as I love those pancake lenses. But the vrou will cut off my ballas if I bought a 4090 ;) Will have to wait for the DisplayPort version of the Pico4 .
Hi I just see your video. It's perfect and clear.
Very good review, buddy. Keep it going. :)
I have an RTX3060 12gb RAM that I've used for years both with the Quest 2 (4.9k hours in VR) and now, finally with the PICO 4, and I have never had an issue. :) I LOVE LOVE LOVE the PICO 4. Not only does it look better but it also has nothing to do with FB. I also only use my headsets with Virtual Desktop playing Steam VR games.
What FPS are you getting in Microsoft Flight Simulator? I was just about to pull the trigger on this Pico 4 but his video of the video card requirements made me hesitate. I'm planning on running it over USB-C not Wifi.
@@publicname515 the frame rate is definitely dependent on your system and not the headset.
I keep my setting pretty high because for games like FS I like quality over performance, for the most part.
I haven't checked my actual frame rate. I do know it most likely isn't 60 fps but I don't have an issue flying at all. I could tweek the video settings down a bit and probably get it to run as smooth as butter.
As far as which headset? The Pico 4 does have better image quality hands down and the Screen door effect isn't as bad as the quest 2 in my opinion.
Pico 4 weighs less too. Lol
I will be honest though. The facial interface isn't very comfy and I get light leak from each side of my face. Using the silicone cover that I have for my Quest, which fits but not perfectly helped a lot with the comfort issue and even helped with the light leak.
I recommend buying a facial interface aftermarket. I haven't yet but I will soon.
To sum up; I LOVE my Pico 4 and I haven't touched my Quest 2 in over a month now, if that tells you anything. :)
Happy gaming!
@@FinalMyle Ahhh. I'm debating between the Quest 3 and the Pico 4... I'm leaning towards the Pico 4 because of his videos saying it has less screen door effect.
@@publicname515 I haven't tried a Q3 yet but from what I've seen and read, SDE is visibly less on the PICO due to the higher res per eye.
I will have to add, and I just encountered this tonight playing Shadow Legend VR, a game in which has sword based melee and the PICO could not keep up with my hand swing nor direction of my swing if I swung too fast. The Quest 2 did not have this issue. I actually switched over to my Quest 2 to test and everything was fine. AND OMG does the PICO look 100x better than the Quest 2. LOL
This is the only game I've experienced this on though.
I also play Blade & Sorcery and I DID NOT have that issue using PICO 4. So maybe it's something with the latency on that one game?
Anyway, I just thought I'd note that. Other than that, I haven't had an issue at all.
I'd like to try one to replace my Reverb G2 after seeing your video. Pico does not to sell in the USA, so it is just too risky should I have issues and need to return it somewhere overseas.
Out of curiosity, when you were in OpenXR toolkit you maxed out your override resolution to 3240x3240 per eye. How come you didn’t set that to 2160 x 2160 per eye to match your pico’s native resolution? I’m asking because if you render the game at 100% in steam or OpenXR then override in openxr toolkit to native res that usually provides excellent visuals along with excellent frames. Just was curious about this because I am still learning how all these layers work. For example for the G2 and playing DCS, I have Windows Mixed Reality Open XR tools set to 100% render scale. Then when DCS is running I open up OpenXR toolkit, and set Upscaling to CAS with sharpness at 20 - 35% depending on visuals and your eyes. From there I go to Override resolution and dial that down to match the 2160x2160 of the headset as close as possible. The net result for me is excellent detail and an increase in frames, best of both worlds and what I find to be the sweet spot in optimizations for the G2. Naturally I would think the same could apply to the Pico4 here. Thanks for the video and hope to see you trying this out in DCS sometime.
read about barrel and pin cushion distortion, where at least it need 140% of your 2160x2160
@@williamwidjaja850 thanks for that info. So I read up on this some. So barrel offsets the pin cushion effect and that is achieved by upping the resolution to 1.4. Mainly because of how our eyes see an image from a flat panel though curved lenses. Easy enough. What I’m still unsure about is I guess specifically to the G2 since that’s all I have right now. I’ve tried both ways, render at 140% and let it display 3200x3200 to the screen. Then I’ve done it the other way, render at 140% and then override it down to anywhere from 2160x2160 to 2426x2426. In both cases the image to my eyes looks the same. Keep in mind the only part of a G2 that looks good is the center sweet spot. No matter what the edges in peripheral look blurry so I can’t see any differences there either. Do you know what I am missing or is it simply a G2 thing. I’m moving over to Pimax soon so maybe this will be more noticeable to me on a Pimax. But thanks again for showing me about Pin and Barrel cushion effects
Hi. So I’ve been using a PICO 4 since Christmas. My hardware setup is first an Ethernet switch immediately after my computer. Then to an powered USB-C to Ethernet adapter connected to the PICO. By using a switch and Ethernet cables I’m not competing with all the other stuff that’s using my Wi-Fi at home. Finally I can only recommend glasses from VR optician which snaps into place with magnets and I think I saw that they were made by Zeiss which should be a familiar name in optics. Oh I’m running a 4080 GPU.
Any issues running the 4080?
@@tato3421 No I guess a 4090 should be berter. But it’ll do for now because my CPU is a couple of years old too.
With my 'developing' cataracts I am sticking with my single screen Samsung 65"; maybe after cataracts are dealt with eh; thanks for posting and making me salivate about a VR headset eh :)
Hi Marc, i just got my Pico 4 and i am following step by step your guide! i wonder if there a rule how to set up the display resolution (per eye)? i your tutorial you mentioned you set it up to the max but i noticed in the lastest version one can go up even more (i had to stop at around 4800)..
Great video. Two things for me to do first is probably upgrade my Ryzen 5 2600 CPU and my RX 5700 XT Graphics Card. Another problem I have is that I found out PICO 4 is banned from the US or at least not available. I tried Amazon UK and the 128g is out of stock. Hopfully I can find one because it seems to the bang for my limited retirement buck. Thanks
Great stuff Mark ,another of your video's with a great deal of work put into it!
Thanks for an interesting and informative video ,the Pico 4 certainly looks good ,never thought i would see you change from the G2 😀 .
i'm still using the G2 and no plans to change as i'm still saving up to upgrade my pc ( waiting to see the reviews in April of the new AMD cpu 6800x3d ( i think its called lol ) .
But as HP are leaving the VR space it's always nice to watch reviews of what's new and available as replacement's.
Thanks again
I have a Pico 4 with MSFS through Steam. I am using a RTX 4070Ti with a 12 gen i7 and 32GB RAM. Using Virtual Desktop. I had the system working briefly can not make the FS work at all. I reinstalled several times but essentially it does not switch to VR properly.
I followed the process to set up the computer recommended by others but still no luck. Any idea what is causing this or who I should be talking to ?
VD tutorial coming up soon.
Love the T-shirt 😎😁
Love the videos! So I have an i9 13900k with 64GB 5300mhz RAM and a ASUS 4090, and 1300w PSU. Are there any settings from this video that you think I can bump up even more? ie; Where can I best leverage my components in the settings for the maximum visual experience? My Pico 4 arrives today!! Thanks!
Via OpenXR toolkit and bump up the resolution!
@@SimHangerFS Will do! thanks again!
Sadly for some reason I am having crashing, bad stuttering, and all matter of issues, and basically can't even fly in VR. Even if I do my set-up with the exact same settings as you. I don't know how much my internet speed is affecting my performance my PC is hard wired to the modem, and when I connect to VD it says 5Ghtz and about 450-550mbps. Is that not sufficient for the Pico 4? is that potentially what is causing my issue? Thanks Mark!
Beautifull graphics❤❤❤
I personally use a 3060Ti / i5 1600K / 16Gb RAM / Virtual Desktop app / 60MB/s internet and it works completely fine with medium settings on the Pico 4. I wouldn't say no to a higher GPU of course, though the experience is already superb. DO NOT use the Pico Streaming assistant, the image quality is pretty bad and no settings an be tweaked.
There is a face gasket by AMVR that is far more comfortable, it'll increase the FOV as well as it is closer to your face. Less light leakage, would recommend. The glasses spacer works with the replacement gasket.
I'm using it on a GTX 1070 // Intel 6600K with far less demanding games (HL Alyx etc), VR desktop set to medium, 120% scaling, rock solid 90 FPS.
Couldn't be happier considering my asthmatic PC.
Thank you, I’ll take a look! 👍
I now have an HP Reverb G2. Always keep up with your videos. Was just wondering and your estimate I have a i7 CPU and a RTX 3070 card that I just got a few months ago. Do you have an estimate of how well this headset would work or know anyone that you used it with a 3070 card in an i7 processor? Thank you for your continued help.
Will work well, mixture of me ruin & high MSFS settings. Use DLSS.
Hi Mark, Great video, How about the following settings, I7 12700 12 cores, and a RTX4070, 64GB Ram?
Thanks for the video.
Wrt Virtual desktop, you install it on the Pico headset but what about the PC ? Does it install automatically on the PC as well ? Thanks !
No, separate desktop streamer download from VD website.
What kind of fps are you getting and how do you get rid of the stutters? I have a pico 4 and 4090. Great video Mark and thanks.
Please throw away your eyeglasses! Get prescription lenses for your Pico4 headset (like VRopticial from Germany with around 1-week delivery, VR-ROCK or VR Lens Lab).
The FOV is bigger with lenses in comparison to glasses - your eye is closer to the screen. The sweet spot is bigger too ... as prescription lenses are designed for your headset.
Regarding hand tracking: It is considerably better in the new update 5.4.0. It is actually a useful feature especially when you don't use controllers in M$FS. (the hands are tracked once the headset lost sight of the controllers).
I would like to ask you: are you using SteamVR OR OpenXR or SteamVR AND OpenXR?
I am using OpenXR as the VR portal and streamVR as the VR runtime
As always, great video. Followed it step-by-step. Took a while to realize I could not use my Steam version of Virtual Desktop. Other than that, perfect guidance.
Two questions, if I may:
1. Started VR spring 2016. Kept my CV1 as a backup, when I got the Reverb. Now the Pico 4 will be my new backup. Still prefer my Reverb. When I go back to use my Reverb, what setting should I change?
2. What´s the likeliness that there will come up some third party DisplayPort solution/conversion?
Once again, thank you for all your great job by SimHanger Flight Simulation !!!
Hi Frans, 1 - only changes would be to OpenXR Toolkit. 2 - no I think this is not likely…until perhaps the Pico 5
@@SimHangerFS Thx any suggestion what settings in the open vr toolkit
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@@franzbri try this ua-cam.com/video/92XouMT_wAk/v-deo.html
@@SimHangerFS After 7Y in VR, you get pretty used to being blindfolded, but this OpenVRToolkit…. or did I miss something. I can adjust all the values except Exit menu timeout. How did you set this to:
(-2147483648s) or anything above 10s
Have you tried Quest pro by any chance? I wonder how it compares to the Pico 4 (maybe it's a better alternative?)
Hi, no I haven’t unfortunately.
A very informative video, very nice indeed. I own the Pico 4 and until now i mostly played DCS. But now i bought MFS. Question i have: why the sharpness at only say 70 percent on virtual desktop and the openxr toolkit? Is it otherwise too much strain on your system?
It’s not performance related, it looks better
@@SimHangerFS thanks! I will give it a try
thanks this was great
this is great most people your age only know pc basics let alone flying planes in vr! so many kids and youtubers totally pass up or refuse to try vr or complain about the controllers or this or that but personally i love it andwish there were more vr sim youtubers out there i have a quest 2 and i was curious if the pico was better or not. btw i fly with my quest 2 in xplane with virtual desktop on my 2070 super gpu and im able to get just enough fps to have a good experience thats with the zibo the tollis gets better fps and the default ga planes more than that but i guess the pico might be harder to run than the quest? but im pretty sure a 4070 ti shoudl certainly be enough to run it my 2070s is leagues below and still handles the quest the pico cant be too far off from that oh and i cant hit full settings i have them turned downslightly
The PICo is especially GPU hungry as it does npt have a display port so you have to manage video compression as well. Quest 2 also I believe.
A franc sir that puts in the main title that pico4 needs a hight end gpu (like many other vr sets)
Thanks man.
Any recommendation for my humble 3070? :S. Currently using Rift s, lol. I prefere them to quest 2 for pcvr.
Cheers and enjoy!
Great video, I have this too, but I only have a RTX3060ti so will need to down some settings. One question how do you lock the FPS to 45?
Set at 90 hz and 90 fps plus motion reprojection on locks it at 45 fps if you card can handle it.
Hey man, what sort of performance / settings are you getting with the 3060 ti? I have one as well and I'm on the fence whether or not I should go VR for MSFS.
@@Allyourmonkeys I bought a pico last week and spent hours trying to get it running smooth with a 3060ti and ryzen 9 7900 64GB, no luck... swapped pico in store for a Q2 and all good. Maybe I didnt have a setting right, but I got nowhere close to smooth
I plan to buy my first VR Gogles, my PC configuration: Ryzen9 5900X, RTX3060 12GB, 64GB, Xbox Series X, Switch, Asus RT-AC86U@Merlin router.
Apart from VR games - I plan to buy a HDMI grabber to stream image from consoles to goggles 1080p60Hz via PC in real time (passtrought), in the case of:
1. Xbox Series X - 1080p60Hz -> 60fps
2. Switch 1080p30Hz/60Hz -> 60fps or 30fps-> [VR gogles] frame interpolation 60fps - IS THIS possible?
My main concern is not to occupy the TV, but also not to stream to the Switch screen (Sunrise -> Moonlight (homebrew) 720p) and to have a large screen with good blacks and nice colors, WITHOUT STUTTERING. It doesn't have to be super sharp and 90/120fps, but it has to be without stuttering and with WIFI.
Will Pico 4 (via WIFI) + hdmi grabber setup provide it for me?
Xbox is not compatible with VR. Pico 4 will struggle with a 3060. Sorry, not enough grunt.
Just wanna say Thanks! don't mind the amount from an unemployment like me.
but the guide have proven to be doable (50fps) on my mid spec i9-9980HK + RTX3080Ti
of course i set openxr resolution lower to 3116x3116
Thank you for supporting the channel. Very kind of you 😀
Happy for you and that you enjoy it. I recently tried Pico 4 a couple of weeks but never felt it could match the clarity of my G2 at 150-200% TAA and returned it. I can miss the mobility and lenses, but not soo much VD and Steam VR 😊
It’s a real shame Pico 4 can’t go past 3240x3240 (yet) it’s lenses has more to give! If we can supersample the image on the PC side I will probably give it another go. Keep us updated on your experience. Thanks alot!
You can actually go much higher than that (the 3240 limit is a bug of SteamVR) to do so, you can write value you want to registry at HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\OpenXR-Toolkit\FS2020
esolution_width (this will take effect after Ctrl-Tab). Right now I'm flying at 4468x4468
@@worldtourwiththemb-339a I believe I tried that aswell, but that reg-fix didn’t kicked in in FS2020 or in OpenXR. Does it show that resolution in FPS dialog inside FS2020? If so it does look alot better I can imagine? 😊
@@randomtechreviews it should be visibile in OpenXR Toolkit. Important thing is: do not modify it in the Toolkit, or it will get back to 3240. But it definitely works (the method comes from MBucchia, who's the Toolkit creator). And yes, graphic can be improved quite a lot.
Hola , cual es mejor para Simulator pico4 o pici3 displayport ? gracias
I have not tried the Pico Neo 3
Pity that the Pico 4 (like the Q2) does not support Local Dimming like the Quest Pro's higher quality screens do. Since the new v51 PTC update, msfs night flying with my Quest Pro has never looked soooo good!
This handtracking could become sweat. ATM this does not work with Virtual desktop unfortunately. But i can imagine this is great to use in DCS e.g. to enter some numbers in the UFC, especially when combined with the Winwing cockpit addon to get the physical sensation of touching real buttons as well. I hope it will work at some time with VD!
All in all it is great that these options are build within it. Before you needed a Leap motion for this.
Thank you very much. This Video is very interesting for me.
Hello! Thank you for review, I thinking to pass to VR. PICO4 or Quest 3... But What you think about hardware that I have: 14600KF + RTX 4070 Ti Super?
Both would be good. Recommend Q3
For me, when I open the flight sim with steam vr open and running normally, it doesn’t load in vr.
When I try to press “vr mode” in settings, it just tells me “no vr headset found”
I got al really blurry image in the Pico, I can see maximum 50feet half sharp, the rest is pixeled, got about 30-40fps (limited at 90fps) and the frame rate showed in every eye is 18-25fps. Didn,t find any solution. got 13900k/(autoclock 6000Mhz), 4090 (auto tuning 2805Mhz) 32GB Ram, all overclocked. Steam VR resolution 180%, wifi 5Ghz connected. 😪
Thanks for a great video. Got the Pico 4 now, first VR goggles, so can’t claim to know what I’m doing… Running MSFS on an i9 13900, 5800 MHz DDR5 RAM and an RTX 4090…. as far as I can tell, the setting matches Mark’s setting BUT I only get 12-15FPS in VR… anyone with any suggestions please?
Make sure your not adjusting the MS OpenXR resolution above 100%. Also if wireless check your getting adequate bandwidth 100 mbps minimum and 150+ recommemded.
Thanks for getting back to me. Assuming we are talking WiFi bandwidth I’m showing in the region of 500Mbps… I somehow have a feeling GeForce Experience could be the culprit, but as far as I can tell it’s been disabled.
UPDATE: In STEAM VR I reduced the resolution from 176% to 100% and now get 45-46FPS (using the same helicopter- nice by the way, and location as in the video. Happy again! 😃
Loving this headset for this sim..One problem I have tho as I fly the Fenix A320 and the 737 when I take the headset off there is no way to stop the headset from going into sleep mode…wish there was an option to keep headset in always on mode as I use my quest 2 link cable to keep it charged
Yes, when I come out of the headset I switch the sim back to 2D mode first.
@@SimHangerFS ok thanks I’ll try that cheers mark…still wish there was a option tho to keep it from going to sleep…apart from that loving the headset…just ordered the face cover from VR cover…Iv not tried flight sim yet as my headset didn’t turn up till 8pm last night..gave Alex a bash via virtual desktop max settings ran well this morning …I’ll be on flight sim tomorrow once Iv connected my flight gear back up 👍
@@ur_round_next1216 lol, ive just finished playing Alyx through from beginning to end after about two years, forgot how great it is.
@@SimHangerFS Such a great game, Great mods for it too :)
Great video! Are you using a WiFi 6 router?
No, a BT smart hub 2 ….400mb/s in practice….rated at 900mb/s.
Hey Mark. Great video. Do I need to get a version of Virtual desktop for installing on the PICO and then also purchase a version for the computer? Thank you.
No purchase VD in the Pico….it needs to be logged in the headset…and it includes an app/install for the PC. If you purchase direct on pc, you may need to purchase again on the Pico.
I've just got the pico 4 for msfs. I used it yesterday using the streaming app from pico and it was doing this juddery image movement even when head was still. Got it to work later without that but again today MSFS only has this juddery image movement even when in the MSFS menu screen.
Maybe virtual desktop is worth the investment for this?
I tried NMS and it was absolutely fine.
Yes get virtual desktop for msfs
Asus ax55 router gets rid of the stuttering if it's a router issue.
Great video as always but a question - So i need to download "steam VR" but my game was purchased from Microsoft store. will it still work please?
Hi I have the 3090 i9 10700 32 ram I believe would you recommend the pics vr 4 or shall I stick the reverb g2?
Honestly stick with the G2 with a 3090 is my opinion.
my quest link cable can charge the pico 4 just fine
Would you recommend this over a HP Reverb G2? Keeping in my mind that I would use the pico 2 tethered using the USB? I also have a wide IPD and hate headsets such as Quest 2 with such a limited IPD adjustment.
If you have a G2 stay with it. If not and a powerful GPU…then yes definately
What do you use for hand tracking to manipulate the controls in the aircraft? Or do you use other controls?
MSFS unfortunately does not support hand tracking. You can use controllers, but it is clunky. Mouse is best.
I dont understand Openxr Toolkit how appear on MSFS screen even didnt see how you setup Openxr toolkit on Desktop
Hello, Is it also possible to first start the sim, set your settings and then go to VR?
My procedure now:
-load SteamVR and OpenXR
-Start the sim, make my settings, and start to flight.
-Turn on the Pico and load Virtual Desktop/SteamVR
-Switch MSFS to VR.
--After that, MSFS is completely frozen!....
In Pico start Virtual Desktop. Launch stream. Select desktop from steam control panel. Start MSFS. Out of headset (if you wish) set up flight. On runway switch to vr in MSFS.
Well... bought a p4 yesterday. Nice guide. will keep my g2 for msfs 2020, since it looks much more crisp. p4 looks better then q2 and performance via VD is impressive. But how can somebody really come to the conclusion that it is better than the g2 for this game? (4090, 5800x3d, 32 gb 3600)
Wider FOV, graphics with toolkit on a par with G2 plus wireless.
@@SimHangerFS look: I followed your guide. Used the resolution, ingame settings, vd settings and toolkit settings. We can agree on wider fov and it’s wireless oc. But it is far from beeing on par with the g2 experience when it comes to sharpness and far view. Wi-Fi 6 setup is optimal according to vd discord. Long time user for quest 2 and optimized it to the max…
It is not comparable. tried it and returned the Pico. horrible compression very bad image compared to Reverb G2.
getting tired of really bad reviews like this. Looks like pico is sponsoring omg...
@@spirimento this is not sponsored.
I cannot start vr in msfs (no Headset connected) and there are no settings under the virtual desktop window. Any advice?
Check steam vr is the active and not WMR…in steam settings.
@@SimHangerFS could it be that I cant run it since i run virtual desktop via steam and not the pico store?
@@seppl55555 yes…you have to download via Pico Store, install on headset and that includes the desktop app to pair with headset
@@SimHangerFS thank you so much!
I’ve tried everything for the last 6 hours to get my new Pico 4 to go into full VR mode after launching SteamVR through Virtual Desktop and all it does is show a big curved screen and that’s it. I’m fed up of the damn thing now. Also mine has the dreaded ‘wavy lends’ fault where the image is noticeably wavy when looking around, especially when there’s text involved. I’m regretting buying mine and I’m at least going to take it back to exchange it and maybe just get a refund. It doesn’t even look that great with what I have seen so far. The colours are muted and there’s a slight screen door effect and everything looks a little fuzzy. When I go back to my Samsung QN90A, it looks so colourful and vibrant and high resolution compared to this.
In steam vr select desktop from steam menu, then start MSFS. Set up flight. On runway switch MSFS to vr. With controller press trigger pointing away from screen….and reset pilot position….and your done.
@@SimHangerFS thank you for going out of your way to help, I’ll try again later. I’ve requested an exchange due to the wavy lenses on the Pico 4 I received yesterday. It is like looking at one of those wavy mirrors and is really distracting. It’s a common problem with them apparently.
@@SimHangerFSI figured out what I was doing wrong. I had no keys assigned in MSFS to put it into VR mode. Once I did that, it worked. I got perfect frames per second on it in New York, given I have the i7-13700k and RTX 4090, but my god after 10 minutes I noticed my PC was getting louder and louder and my room was getting warmer and warmer so I turned it off. It really does push the PC hard. It was a relatively good experience, but not enough to put up with all the downsides and fiddling around with it, so it’s going back when Currys collects this faulty pair and I’m gonna say I don’t want the new pair. I may consider VR in the future with a headset that’s designed just for PC use to reduce the load on my PC, but for now, I am happy just using my TV 😀
@@MyHolidayArchive Mine is going back too. Wavy curves on the edges of the lenses and therefore also in the middle. How nobody notices this is beyond me. Gaslighted again by the internet....
Great video!!
Is this going to run with a 4080 super?
Definately 👍
The head tracking on mine has a bit of delay, only happens in MSFS, not out in SteamVR house or anything else.
Mine does too. did you ever figure out why? Happens wired or wireless. Quality looks great. Just a delay when looking around. Very slight but immersion breaking.
How does this look in DCS? Have you tried it there, in the F16 or F18? I'd be curious for comparison to the Reverb G2.
Sorry haven’t tried it in DCS
Hi, thanks for the vid. It's useful, but am i incorrect in thinking i can get full HD clarity on my pico 4? Like you you would on a monitor. My PC specs are: 4090, ryzen 7900x, 64gb @5200mhz. I'm trying to tweak my settings, but if im honest i dont know exactly what to look for. Like i said previous, im trying to achieve HD Clarity, but unsure if thats even possible. Any further advice would be great. Thanks
You can get a great image, but not as good as 1080p on a monitor…close, but not the same.
Ok, thanks i'll give it further try 👍
Thanks a lot! In graphic setting of msfs what do you set?
How’s the clarity on the horizon? I’ve had 2 attempts with this headset and couldn’t get it dialled in, found the colours a little washed out compared to the G2.
Colours are not as good, but only marginally so with my settings. Haven’t tried the option shown in the video to enhance video range yet. Horizon view is as good if not better than the G2
I think my GTX 1080 is not going to get anywhere near the image quality on this video with my pico 4 and flight sim. I've tried everything and the resolution is just not good enough, you cannot read the dials. Isn't it true you will need a rather powerful graphics card to achieve this image quality. Mimimum RTX 3090 I would say.
Hello I have everything working perfectly with the Pico except when I enter vr mode I end up sitting on top of the airliner cockpit from the waiste up and cant figure out how to lower myself into the cockpit? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
In the sim you need to config a button to reset position.
@@SimHangerFS Thanks Mark. I got it and it's working great. Couldn't have done it without your awesome tutorials.
After watching this great tutorial, I was inclined to buy the PICO 4. I hesitated between this and QUEST 2, but since I don't care about dedicated games, I decided to go this way. My R9 5900x and 4070Ti do quite well in MSFS. I only have a problem with setting the controller support when I am in the FBW320 cockpit. They are some kind visible but with no reaction on instruments.... Do you have any way to solve this problem?? I will appreciate your help!
I don't think controllers are fully supported in the FBW unfortunately.
No sound going through my Pico headset when plying MSFS. Using headphones but a bit of a pain.
Set Pico sound as default in windows before starting MSFS.
Hey Mark, are you flying in MSFS with the Pico4 USB-tether or just using Wifi? Thanks again.
Just using WiFi 😀
Tethered is worse because it's with the Pico Streaming app. Virtual Deskop delivers the best image-quality.
What vr would you suggest for an amd 7800xt gpu and ryzen 9 7900x with 32gb ram
Crystal light perhaps.
Hi again Mark, Iv been trying to find your video about locking frame rate to 45fps but i cant find it, Please could you link me to that video if you dont mind?
Run headset at 90hz enable reprojection this will basically do this for you. Alternatively lock the fps @ 45 in toolkit.
@@SimHangerFS Thanks for the reply Mark
I’m running an AMD 6950xt Red Devil with a AMD5950x CPU and I’m hoping I’ll be able to run MSFS on the Pico. Anyone have a similar setup to mine and get it working?
Do you recommend using GeForce experience I have a RTX 3070 card. I did not have it installed on my computer afraid it will mess up my Microsoft flight simulator. But I was told I needed to record in VR Thank you for info
You can use it. I do, but you can also use OBS
Do you push the optimize button on GeForce experience or leave as is. Thank you
@@nashfan1000 leave as is.
Question about the WiFi connection for wireless streaming. My PC supports WiFi 6 and I can configure it to create a wireless Hotspot. Can this be used to bypass the router WiFi and connect 'directly' to my PC?
I’m not sure.
Hi Mark, Could you please provide guidance how to connect the PICO 4 to MFS Store version. How the VR headset can be recognized when switching in VR mode using CTRL+TAB ? Thank you
My video is using the store version.
@@SimHangerFS okay , did you installed virtual desktop app which is not a freeware app ? As it seems this app is required to work with MFS Store Version in VR Mode , thank you
@@manusilverliner9399 yes it is payware as mentioned in the video
@@SimHangerFS Thank you Mark !
Hi Marc, do you know what can be the reason why the "Nvidia Reflex Low Latency" is not active in my VR settings? i see the option but it is not active... Thank you!
Depends on your GPU, plus Hardware Accelerated Graphics Scheduling (HAGS) must be turned on.
I'm long in the tooth but can you tell me why a stand alone VR needs a 4060 GPU please?