@@jeluenhayo2410no lol as he said that card basically never saw play. Only time it did was in like exodia or stall strategies to burn your opponent but those decks have always been rogue decks.
@@jeluenhayo2410 No, it wasn't. The difference between being able to use Upstart Goblin immediately and having to wait a turn for Jar of Greed is way bigger than it may seem
@dangerexplosian It was retroactively good in old formats to bait S/T removal but players didn't know that and by the time we figured out goat format is slow enough for jar to be viable we weren't in goat format
Yugioh spells are more akin to Magic’s sorceries or instants. He’s commenting that a goblin, a being (I would say monster or creature but I want to avoid using game terminology), is a one-and-done effect card.
To quote the great philosopher and sage MaldHound: "Life isn't measured by the amount of breaths you take or the moments that take your breath away - it's measured by the amount of cards you've had in your hand in any one game." Drawing cards is love, drawing cards is life.
One thing I think that was overlooked in the Dark Confidant vs Des Lacooda discussion, is that in Yugioh you can choose your attack targets (vs Magic, where the opponent selects blocks). So in Yugioh I can summon a random dork with over 600 attack to take out Lacooda, but in Magic I would need a removal spell for Confidant. And since Yugioh primarily focuses around monsters in basically every deck, it's super easy to have something big enough for that.
This. Dark Confidant would be broken in Yugioh if it worked the same way it does in Magic. It would need the additional text of "Your opponent cannot target this card for attacks but it does not prevent your opponent from attacking directly." Otherwise Dark Confidant would also be bad.
What ties into that is the fact that for Des Lacooda to function, you have to sacrifice a lot of deck slots to keep it alive, which just isn't worth it. Dark Confidant in MTG can just be slammed into a generically good deck and it will passively generate value.
@@RevolverOcelot358 Probably too slow nowadays, but 100% it would be a better card than Des Lacooda just because it would probably be a Mystic Tomato target and all the same crap you used to defend Des Lacooda would also be used to defend a YGO Dark Confidant.
Idk, I have vivid playground memories of setting Yamata Dragon face down and passing, then my opponent attacks it with his Blue Eyes, takes 100 damage, and I draw 5 cards.
It will never stop being amazing how Rarran basically hooked these two up and now we get some of the best Yu-Gi-Oh/MTG crossover content on the internet.
If you're planning any kind of End of Year highlights reel for your channel, or an anthology video, CGB's face when you told him Yamata Dragon sucked and his pleading with you to be joking, to get real, to stop slow rolling him… that's a Top 5 for me. That might be a Top 1. I had to keep skipping back just to see it again and again and again. Everything after that was just a Blue Mage who self-admitted that he goes through life thinking about how great it would be to just Draw 2 at different moments in life learning to hate cards that draw you cards in a card game and that is honestly pretty damn impressive. Please do a Part 2, because there are some cards you showed Rarran I would like CGB to see and theres a whole lot more Pot where Pot of Avarice came from.
Listening to him talk about upstart was perfect. Noticing the niche of it not being valid for decks that are really good at hitting exactly 8k took me back to zoodiac being the 1st deck that I didn’t run it at max. Then he hits us with “does anybody love this card?” Yes his name is Patrick Hoban and he is the reason we ran max copies for YEARS.
kinda missed the mark on why upstart isnt played these days tho. its not because your cards are all so good that you dont need it its that you need to have specific interaction pieces in your hand before you take your first turn so you dont have time to activate upstart going second
Card was definitely limited by the time Zoos came around. And at least the ones I played against still had the one copy. Upstart fits into basically 99% of decks
I don't play any TCGs and yet I keep coming to these collab videos to hear you two talk about games I don't play. A true testament to your banter and analysis that a total outside like me is entertained for hours.
You can take notes but you gotta review them too. I’m unclear how much CGB is doing that here, but it doesn’t seem like he’s reviewing them much at all.
Cgb we really just need a progression series with you and Rarran at this point, it would be hilarious... ( A magic progression with Cimo and Rarran would be funny too)
That would be a sick spin on the idea of Progression. Playing it with someone who isn't well-versed to teach them how it was from the beginning onwards.
Sadly, the magic progression wouldn't work too well because Rarran actually did do a grind to Mythic in MTG Arena a few months ago (with help.) He'd be starting way ahead there. He's got a decent understanding of the game now.
@@blue-dragon Spirits being worthless always hurt. They just did not think the return to hand concept through. They probably should have let them cheat themselves out somehow as part of being a spirit. Give them a rush duel effect maybe. Play like Floo. Though they faired better than unions. Who faired better than Gemini. Who faired better than LV monsters.
@@Merilirem I mean out of the failed types, outside of rituals, Spirits are the next best thing. Yatagarasu was banned forever, Tsukuyomi was banned for a really long time, Amano Iwato was meta for several months and a staple in a lot of stun decks, and the Mitamas are usable in a lot of rank 4 strategies, most commonly Exosisters which were meta for some time. It's definitely much better than Unions, who I don't think had any bans, and Geminis, who, compared to Unions, was at least meta in Hero Beat.
@@monkeylemurwasn't the buster blader baby dragon banned until they figured out union carrier was the problem (which is also a hard hit to unions)? Not to mention abc spent some time limited (it was a weird limit, but it still happened)
Man I absolutely love how Jar of Greed has aged in light of new card theory. I always loved the card even back when I was a kid for *exactly* the reason that Cimooo stated: I loved to set it to bait out backrow removal. It was always a 3 of in my decks as a kid.
An important part of Card Destruction is that while you're -1 and your opponent probably has graveyard synergy, you get to use your graveyard advantage first as it is your turn.
Was surprised he didn't mention it. By the time they get to use that advantage, you already prepared for it. You looked at the cards they sent and that info meant you knew what to set up to stop them from gaining advantage from it. As a Chaos player I am happy enough to CD a dark world player because they do a bunch of stuff but I'll still do more because I go first and whatever they summon isn't sticking around.
@@Merilirem TBF to CGB, all that negate and whatever else, is still not stuck in his head. as to understand that, you really need to play Yugioh, as Yugioh is the fighting game of board games with everything = Free + omni negates etc etc etc. And Cimo has traumatized CGB enough to never want to touch Yugioh as well.
Something that I think CGB misses and that maybe Alex hasn't drilled in yet, is that while yes, almost all of our creatures and powerful spells and traps are free, it means that so is almost all of the removal. And when evaluating especially older formats like goat, you gotta remember that every deck for the most part is jamming a good mix of monster and spell trap removal, its just pretty easy to get decent spot removal or even board wipes in yugioh, so slower strategies or anything that requires resource consolidation needs to contend with the fact that your opponent is usually in a good position to take out a considerable part of your board at any time
Its even more complicated than though though. Because you cant just say, run MST to blow up any spell or trap. Its a 1 for 1 removal but that removal spell could have been literally anything else, especially if it can be played turn 0 when you are going second.
So, CGB, for context on why Dark Confidant is great, but Des Lacooda isn't. One big key difference is that you can just simply choose to not block with Dark Confidant, therefore it lives through Battle and forces your opponent to have some kind of removal spell, otherwise it'll make it to the next turn and you'll get the value. Same theory behind Esper Sentinel being amazing, yet only a 1/1 that makes your opp only pay 1 extra mana, one time each turn. That same card in Yugioh, wouldn't survive the turn and would be dreadful. Because, with Yugioh, everything has Taunt. And Yugioh is usually over by turn 2 or 3. So, typically your opponent can easily remove bodies, or at the very least, put a few thousand ATK worth of Damage on the board. And as they are forced to attack through your monsters first, something like Des Lacooda, would never survive the battle phase of your opponents' first turn. :)
Then there are plays that allow you to draw 12 cards a turn or more. There is a play in HEROs where they draw cards based on the number of cards their opponent controls and the effect is not hard once per turn.
you gotta show him banned or once banned boss monsters if you didnt already like master peace, apoqliphort towers, el shaddoll construct, archnemeses protos etc and ask if they were banned and now are they banned
Him talking about upstart without knowing the context of the card may have been unironically the highlight of this series so far Not only does he get right that this card is just really good either way and gets better and better as deck's gameplans become stronger and stronger (which it did, in Upstart's 3-of in every deck era) but that suddenly it becomes worse and worse if the individual card quality becomes so high that drawing a single card is not worth running it (which ALSO HAPPENED, this card is functionally unplayable nowadays due to every card doing far more for you) and he recognized that entire thing without even knowing the actual context, only reading the card itself. thats honestly incredibly impressive
That still doesn't make sense to me, because it doesn't matter if a card does far more than it - Upstart lets you draw those cards. A card doesn't have to do more than Upstart Goblin, it has to do more or do better than the other cards around it.
By the time you play upstart going second, if you failed to stop their board, youre in a horrificaly bad hole unless your name is tenpai in which case youre better off running 3 of every good board breaker instead.@@stuflames4769
@@stuflames4769 I think the theory goes something like this. Lets take a power card like Mathmech circular for example. Yes upstart lets you play a 37 card deck so you are more likely to draw into circular. However you could also play small world which lets you have "6" copies of circular in your deck. I think searchers have replaced the spot for it. Along with increasing your chances of drawing your soft garnets, cards have just become so multi-purposed and powerful that you would rather run more copes of powerful cards.
The funny part about Card Destruction is when a deck like Dark World or Tear runs it in Master Duel as an alt win con against Maxx "C". Card Destruction ends up in the graveyard somehow and you add it back with something like Curious and just win the game by deckout if they have like 18 cards or something in hand.
Maxx C against Dark World is already the dumbest idea anyone sane could ever do. Turn 1. They special summon Silvva, you Maxx C in response... By the end of turn 1. you have 0 cards left in the deck. They sit there laughing maniacally as they go: Your turn.
@@livedandletdie Unless you are running Exodia, in which case the Dark World player just does all the work for you, assuming they don't Card Destruction you at the wrong time.
How is that the villain, that's almost exclusively the way a hero's story plays out. Case in point: That's what Yugi's deck does. And it's what Jaden's deck does.
*Chestnuts roasting on an open fire,* *Cimo grinning, traps in place.* *CGB’s staring as the stakes get higher,* *“What’s a Chain Link? I’ve lost the pace.”* *Mana taps and Magic wins are on his mind,* *But Yu-Gi-Oh’s a different show.* *“Pot of Greed?” CGB looks to find,* *“It draws two cards... I think I know?”* *And so I’m offering this card game clash,* *Between two worlds of cardboard dreams.* *Whether Magic or Yu-Gi-Oh brings the flash,* *It’s the joy of the duel that reigns supreme* *Yu-Gi-Oh rulings spinning through the air,* *Synchros, Pendulums-CGB’s in despair.* *But win or lose, it’s clear what’s true:* *It’s the joy of the game-Merry Christmas to you.*
35:00 A phrase I would like to hear come out of Cimo's mouth is "dies to doomblade", the MTG shorthand for expensive and seemingly busted stuff that just will never work in practice because cheap removal exists and it has no protection.
Yeah if it was just a Yugioh spell card or acted as if it wasn't there letting your opponents past instead of being attacked, it might actually be strong.
@diegomangueira well yeah the *spell* is what you're using to summon the creature in the first place Notably, cards cease to be "spells" once they finish casting and are either on the field as permanents or are in graveyard/exile
@@diegomangueira But the spell types will affect what the name of the card are. A creature spell will have a name that indicates what type of creature you've summoned. An instant or sorcery spell will have a name that's evocative of what the spell is actually doing. An artifact will have a name that tells you it's some sort of object.
I looked up replacement effects in Magic for something unrelated and noticed that CGB is actually wrong about Reckless Greed. It would work exactly the same in MtG as it does in Yu-Gi-Oh. 614.10 states that effects that skip phases are classified as replacements in the form "if X would happen, do nothing instead" and 614.7 specifies that if a replacement tries to replace an event that never happens, it just doesn't do anything. So by those rules, if you play two Reckless Greeds in the same turn, both of them will attempt to skip the same two draw steps - one of them will skip the step, but the other will do nothing since the draw step it's trying to skip no longer exists.
The difference between dark confidant and des lacooda is that monsters can always attack monsters. For dark confidant you need to invest a removal card (which you dont always have) or it will give you value meanwhile Des Lacooda gets killed by everything (600 as a stat line is about as low as you can go, monsters with it will NEVER win combat) so you dont really need to invest anything except an attack from a monster (which they needed to do anyways since you cant attack directly)
??? I'm so confused. Dark confident is also a "monster" with a very low "defense" stat. If it were in Yugioh, it would be attacked just as easily as Des Lacooda. No need for a removal card. Sure, between the games, there is that difference, but they were talking about how Dark Confidant would work in Yugioh.
@@altrivotzck6565 The main difference is that Yugioh doesn't have a black phase where you the player can choose what creatures get attacked, the opposing player gets to decide what gets attacked, and so to get rid of a dark confidant you almost always need to have some kind of removal for it besides combat, while des lacooda can be killed by pretty much anything on board unless you build your entire deck around protecting it, which added to the reason the card was never banned or restricted.
@@D_Abellus did you even read what I said? Yeah, I know. I literally was talking about that. I was saying that _in_ _Yugioh_ , Dark Confidant would be just as easy to kill as Des Lacooda.
@@altrivotzck6565 To attack Dark Confidant your opponent has to choose to use it as a meat shield, they however will not and will just take your little damage in exchange for its continued value instead. You don't choose what gets attacked in Magic, the person being attacked does, and they can choose to be attacked directly.
CGB is already a yugioh player. He sees “draw a card” and neurons start firing. Also we’ve been to nice recently, we need a nice break your brain episode for him. Give him pendulums.
@@vandv547 Yeah, it's true though, he's had it easy, just because he was wrong on every point doesn't mean his reasoning wasn't sound, and let's not act as if everyone didn't try to make Yamata Dragon work in the past...
The difference with Des Lacooda is the game mechanic that in Magic you can choose not to block while in Yu-Gi-Oh the opponent just runs into this every single time! So in magic there is at least a chance that it survives a turn or two!
I'm thinking of this now (have not seen the full video), but it would HILARIOUS if CGB was shown Anime Card of Sanctity. He would be profounded at that card for how long, and then be so relieved it wasn't in the game.
I was thinking that he shows him the real care then he says it was the best draw card hype it up then say in the anime so that’s why they changed it for the real game
Des Lacooda is extremely Magic-friendly. It can be basically read as: Untap this creature on your turn. You can tap this creature to draw a card. It would actually be way better in Magic since getting rid of creatures isn't as easy as getting rid of monsters in Yugioh.
Another upside of Pot of Avarice that didn't really get touched on is that sometimes there are monsters that you WANT to put back into your Deck after using them (Gadgets, Tengu, Scattershot, etc).
Did anybody else get baited when Cimo said "Look, it's Pot of Greed's reincarnation" that they thought it was going to be Pot of Desires, or was that just me?
The biggest bait that's been happening in a lot of the episodes already: special summoning isn't special, but most of the time you actually do need your normal summon in order to get your chain of special summoning going. If a monster requires your normal summon and they do nothing, they're 99% shit, unless the archetype is built to normal summon that monster. Also Reckless Greed works like this because lingering effects are independent of one another. Both Reckless Greeds independently check the next 2 draw phases. There's nothing on the card or the rules that say one phase check can only apply to one card somehow.
Man, I would love to see this guy react to full power ishizu-tear. Also this type of video but using archetypes would be fun to watch; i would love to see his thoughts on decks like dragon-link, rescue-ace, yubel and many others. 😂
The more I see of CGB and the cards he likes... he might really like modern Paleo if he ever did give Yu-Gi-Oh a try. I mean it is the death by a million cuts stun/control deck entirely based around trap cards, that has a card that basically says "draw as many cards as your opponent has on the field" or to put it another way anywhere from "draw 11 cards" to "draw 1 card" all dependant on the opponent's board, as well as ways to more or less shrug off the opponent having that large board.
Pot of Avarice + The Transmigration Prophecy in a Hero deck was absolutely degenerate in 2006, I can't imagine that today. So much consistency and recursion.
deck the thing is actually important, because 'deck" is a non exclusive term, so you can shuffle things back into either the extra or main deck, this is important for beetroopers because you cannot summon mighty neptune by returning ed monsters, because it specific states return to the main deck, while stinglancer can return a monster to any deck
A big thing about card destruction is that you can set any spell or trap you want to keep before you use it, essentially allowing you to select the number of cards you want to discard. You can't set in MTG.
@@cortert103 y'know, that sounds convincing actually. In my head when you skip 2, it means those 2 turns just don't have draw phases. Your next 2 draw phases are on turn x+3 and x+4. Maybe if the card says "Draw 2 cards and for your next 2 Draw Phases, skip your normal draw" it would be more intuitive.
I think of it the way Hearthstone wording works. For example, 'Your deathrattles trigger twice' wouldn't stack bc 'twice' can't interact w 'twice.' Or, for example, 'You and your opponent's decks are swapped' wouldn't stack either bc it's just a sentence. Saying the sentence twice doesn't add or reverse anything. Likewise, 'you skip your next two draw phases' wouldn't make a difference if you say it twice.
As someone who never played Yu-Gi-Oh outside playground 2003 time know what you're doing until master duel (and on and off of that) this is a fun series to watch and play along with
I think an important part of Upstart Goblin that wasn't expressed is that in modern Yu-Gi-Oh, players are so spoiled for choice when it comes to cars that disrupt that removing three of them means that when you're going second, that's just three less chances at having a key disruption piece. When players are already busting out calculators to figure out their odds of drawing bricks or having an optimal amount of disruption to engine, Upstart Goblin becomes the first card on the chopping block.
I feel like Pendulums are something he'll grok faster than Synchros. Hiding the rest below to give Mesa Falcon Guy the grace of remaining spoiler free. I mean, modal (aka can be exclusively one or the other) Enchantment Creatures and Artifact Creatures and Adventures AND transforming as well as two-sided variants are absolutely a thing in Magic and can get hella complicated, especially recently, they just have more efficient language than Yu-Gi-Oh! cards.
Funny side note about upstart goblin, when soul charge was in the meta, upstart actually became slightly worse due to soul charge being the most broken card ever at the time and requiring thousands of life to function. As well as infernities being the best deck and upstart goblin making infernity archfiend miss the timing from its draw/special/search effect lmao
Also Yugioh has more deck interaction with stuff that summons/uses material directly from the deck that you'd rather not draw (taketomborgs) to absolutely can't afford to draw (garnets). So thinning your deck is sometimes actually bad because while it increases your odds of drawing your best cards, it also increases your odds of drawing your worst cards. Also with turns getting longer and longer so more game 3s run out of time and get decided by Life Points
It would be interesting if you guys have archetype reviews someday. Like, show CGB what kind of Yu-Gi-Oh! archetype would best fit his preferred way of playing a control deck. Might need to get through a couple of hurdles for this to happen though: 1. Xyz, Pendulum, and Link summoning will have to be covered first, along with other niche game mechanics in Yu-Gi-Oh! that will have to be understood to fully get how a specific archetype works. 2. Some adjustments might have to be done to the "is it a good card" and "was it ever in the banlist" games when viewing multiple cards that are meant to synergize with each other.
ik theres a lot of context to it that makes it pretty unfair for this kind of video but i would love to see ursarctic radiation make an appearance here just for the "holy crap i get to draw 7!" reaction
Next time to really mess with him show him some of the clunkiest cards in the history of the game like Yubel and the Winged Dragon of Ra, and ask him not if they were banned but if they were ever actually playable without giving him the context of whether or not the card has the needed support to be usable and then blow his mind with the fact that Ra has it's own deck where it's usable even if not particularly good other then being a fun casual deck and that Yubel is actually meta.
A bit of context too. Droll and lockbird comes in and out of the meta. Using upstart goblin could make you instantly lose if your deck relies on adding cards to your hand.
Something I don't see talked about Upstart is that in older YGO past the first turns decks were quite a lot clunckier in threatening lethal, so increasing your opponent's LPs might result in giving them an extra turn to draw into a powerful swingy spell/trap card.
54:32 @covertgoblue „Exile is gone forever“ well not in Yugioh they actually had to print exile cards face down on cards because people started to abuse exiled cards in different ways 😂.
@ Yes there were mechanics that used the banishment since the very early days like gold sarc, the different dimensions stuff, thunder dragons etc. But I meant when ever they printed cards that banish as cost mechanic someone found a way for people to start abusing it to the point that they often have to Bann cards xD.
the thing about upstart goblin is that it is a sorcery speed card, it plays into droll, it is incompatible with certain other card draw, and finally it sometimes conflicts with optimal ratios. in yugioh playing the minimum deck size is not always good because you have engine requirements that you don't want to draw. bricks basically and the smaller your deck the more likely you are to draw the card. in magic you play a card cuz you want to see it usually by drawing it. in yugioh you play many cards you never ever want to see and drawing it literally fucks you so hard and some decks will just go up to the 50 cards instead of 40 by padding out the deck with more non engine or non garnet engine cards. the best magic analogy is cmc 0 card that you can't normally cast from hand and you want to cascade into. the rest of your deck is cascade cards, lands, and force of will and leyline of the void. you wont play a 10 card deck even if you have the option and since you're heavily relying on turn 0 leyline of the void and force of will when you go second, you might not even want to play a strictly worse gitaxian probe that doesnt give you the hand knowledge.
funny thing about shuffle into the deck: when the effect says shuffle into the deck, then shuffling a card into the extra deck counts as being successful for checking "then" or "and if you do" as if it was properly shuffled into the deck. however if the cost is to shuffle in the deck then it doesn't work because konami said so. so if a card says shuffle into the deck for cost, then you can't shuffle back extra deck cards to pay that cost.
@@YukiFubuki. but parts of effects conditional on doing other parts of effects do not have to be done exactly as stated yes? it just needs the previous part before a then conjunction to be "done". im kinda familiar with infernobles so i know the issue here. yugioh is a mess.
@@zengamer321 it depends on the conjunctive used, if an effect comes in 2 parts then for 'then' and 'and if you do' they both requires the first part of the effect to be legal to proceed to the second part but if the second part isnt legal you still must do the first part and the only difference between these 2 is that 'then' indicates the 2 parts of the effect happens in an order as written while 'and if you do' means its simultaneously occurring at the same time instead of one after another however these conjunctives is for effects not cost so what card were you even thinking of in the first place
CGB is right that Reckless Greed wouldn't work the same way in MTG. Consider Stonehorn Dignitary - each time it ETBs, the opponent loses an additional combat phase. This is at the center of an old win condition for Azorius Familiars in Pauper and is still played occasionally in Flicker Tron.
Yeah, I agree with CGB that "skip" would seem to imply you can't lose the same phase twice. If it said, "during your next two draw phases, you do not draw", that'd be much more clear.
@@SaberToothPortilla I think it's interesting how people interpret sentences. Bc your new wording is actually what I automatically think in my head reading reckless greed's original wording already.
@@hugomendoza5665 yea but when you skip your next 2 and you use a second one youve already skipped the next 2 so its the 2 after that. you cant skip something thats already been skipped.
To clarify the whole "next 2 draw phases" thing: Yu-Gi-Oh doesn't see into the future. The cards don't know that your next draw phase is already going to be skipped, so the second and third reckless greeds can still be activated. Game state doesn't check if the phase is skipped until the time to enter said phase arrives. That's why you have to declare that you're skipping your battle phase when using Runick spells.
@Bob12649 that's a misnomer. Those prevent you from summoning certain monsters because the materials being sent are considered to still be on the field when the new monster is attempting to be summoned. It's not "seeing the future", it's really more "these two things happen at the same time".
Idea for a new video: these cards have ALL been banned in retro yugioh but you need to find out if it’s legal in current day (graceful, change of heart comes to mind)
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I love how Cimo got so invested into telling Jar of Greed's history that he forgot to answer if it was limited or not lol
Came down here to look for this, thanks. Btw, quick google search says it was never limited but I'm pretty sure it was/is in Duel Links.
Was it? (I'm not a yugioh player myself so I'm really curious)
@@jeluenhayo2410no lol as he said that card basically never saw play. Only time it did was in like exodia or stall strategies to burn your opponent but those decks have always been rogue decks.
@@jeluenhayo2410 No, it wasn't. The difference between being able to use Upstart Goblin immediately and having to wait a turn for Jar of Greed is way bigger than it may seem
@dangerexplosian It was retroactively good in old formats to bait S/T removal but players didn't know that and by the time we figured out goat format is slow enough for jar to be viable we weren't in goat format
“How is a goblin a spell?” -Magic player where all goblins are spells
hey, but most of the spells are not goblins! (most because Tribal existed)
We have Goblin Bikers now!
Yugioh spells are more akin to Magic’s sorceries or instants. He’s commenting that a goblin, a being (I would say monster or creature but I want to avoid using game terminology), is a one-and-done effect card.
This is one of the few things that old Magic cards were more clear about (originally, "Creature - type" cards were written as "Summon type")
well upstart goblin is depicting a situation that the goblin is involved in (becoming rich)
To quote the great philosopher and sage MaldHound:
"Life isn't measured by the amount of breaths you take or the moments that take your breath away - it's measured by the amount of cards you've had in your hand in any one game."
Drawing cards is love, drawing cards is life.
UNO: "I alone am the honoured one."
Exactly. Yet for some reason in edh my play group targets me for playing nekusar as my commander 😢
@@MansMan42069it still has the love of card draw: have you never played a draw4 when they had uno?
@@leonvalenzuela4096 Yes exactly what I'm talking about. Uno is basically Draw Cards: The Game
One thing I think that was overlooked in the Dark Confidant vs Des Lacooda discussion, is that in Yugioh you can choose your attack targets (vs Magic, where the opponent selects blocks). So in Yugioh I can summon a random dork with over 600 attack to take out Lacooda, but in Magic I would need a removal spell for Confidant. And since Yugioh primarily focuses around monsters in basically every deck, it's super easy to have something big enough for that.
This. Dark Confidant would be broken in Yugioh if it worked the same way it does in Magic. It would need the additional text of "Your opponent cannot target this card for attacks but it does not prevent your opponent from attacking directly." Otherwise Dark Confidant would also be bad.
Also creature cards in magic don’t have automatically haste.
What ties into that is the fact that for Des Lacooda to function, you have to sacrifice a lot of deck slots to keep it alive, which just isn't worth it. Dark Confidant in MTG can just be slammed into a generically good deck and it will passively generate value.
@@RevolverOcelot358 Probably too slow nowadays, but 100% it would be a better card than Des Lacooda just because it would probably be a Mystic Tomato target and all the same crap you used to defend Des Lacooda would also be used to defend a YGO Dark Confidant.
also even if you DON'T have a 600 atk monster, you can slam your 0 atk monster into it to force it to flip up.
Yamato Dragon's reason for being bad can be easily summed up as "it's *not* free".
It's also a battle trick. Which are pretty terrible in modern YGO.
Best way I could think of it in magic terms is if you had to sacrifice 2 lands to summon and it still had the return to hand effect
shame has more then 5 heads it be cool if it hadjust have 5 and each head symbolise a draw
i like art on last turn as i don't think this monster on any other card art
Idk, I have vivid playground memories of setting Yamata Dragon face down and passing, then my opponent attacks it with his Blue Eyes, takes 100 damage, and I draw 5 cards.
It will never stop being amazing how Rarran basically hooked these two up and now we get some of the best Yu-Gi-Oh/MTG crossover content on the internet.
Yup, gotta show Rarran some love too
@@HazeEmry everyone appreciates card game Nick Fury
@@NeoZhinzo he assembled the cardvengers
This is my favorite collab, I listen to this at work and try to beat his score, cause I'm a non-playing fan who has limited knowledge...
"Exile is bad, it's gone forever"
"Well yea, in your game"
This is way funnier than it has any rights to be I can't
Face down is almost forever.
@@Merilirem Normal Summon Necroface
@@Merilirem Shoutout to Gizmek Sunrise Signaler
@@Merilirem haha, PSY-Frame Omega go brrrrr
@@MeriliremNyannyan (a real card for non Yu-Gi-Oh players :p)
If you're planning any kind of End of Year highlights reel for your channel, or an anthology video, CGB's face when you told him Yamata Dragon sucked and his pleading with you to be joking, to get real, to stop slow rolling him… that's a Top 5 for me. That might be a Top 1. I had to keep skipping back just to see it again and again and again. Everything after that was just a Blue Mage who self-admitted that he goes through life thinking about how great it would be to just Draw 2 at different moments in life learning to hate cards that draw you cards in a card game and that is honestly pretty damn impressive. Please do a Part 2, because there are some cards you showed Rarran I would like CGB to see and theres a whole lot more Pot where Pot of Avarice came from.
His reaction to Blackwing Armor Master was amazing
@@bobertmario95His reaction to Witch's Strike 🤣
@@MansMan42069 yes to both of these! 😂
With how good his reactions are you could make an entire highlight reel just of CGB
Crush Card Virus reaction.
Listening to him talk about upstart was perfect. Noticing the niche of it not being valid for decks that are really good at hitting exactly 8k took me back to zoodiac being the 1st deck that I didn’t run it at max. Then he hits us with “does anybody love this card?” Yes his name is Patrick Hoban and he is the reason we ran max copies for YEARS.
kinda missed the mark on why upstart isnt played these days tho. its not because your cards are all so good that you dont need it its that you need to have specific interaction pieces in your hand before you take your first turn so you dont have time to activate upstart going second
Card was definitely limited by the time Zoos came around. And at least the ones I played against still had the one copy. Upstart fits into basically 99% of decks
Don't be a coward. Show this man a pendulum card lol
30 minutes of a brain meltdown while explaining the rules minimum I bet
baby steps
I play yugioh regularly and pendulums scare me still. I also don't like them. By far the most uninteresting card type in the game
@@Angelos_KonI actively avoid them. I know the basics in using them, but i still wouldn’t. That thing……it scares me…..
he seems to like counters, i say there's potential here
I don't play any TCGs and yet I keep coming to these collab videos to hear you two talk about games I don't play. A true testament to your banter and analysis that a total outside like me is entertained for hours.
CGB: I've been taking notes meticulously.
"so this is a trap card"
CGB: I've never seen this man in my life.
You can take notes but you gotta review them too. I’m unclear how much CGB is doing that here, but it doesn’t seem like he’s reviewing them much at all.
His notes just say
Max C Bad
Draw cards * drool stains *
Sychro what!?!?
@@PorrateoIntenso also "ITS FREE ???"
@@PorrateoIntenso you forgot
Everything has taunt
Banned: - jar of greed
- Every other card probably
I have absolutely been like "man. I wanna go home and draw cards"
As an artist, I can relate
Wait
Cgb we really just need a progression series with you and Rarran at this point, it would be hilarious...
( A magic progression with Cimo and Rarran would be funny too)
That would be a sick spin on the idea of Progression. Playing it with someone who isn't well-versed to teach them how it was from the beginning onwards.
@SoraDonaldGoofy99 exactly and they could both finally see just how some of these great cards get broken! ( And why some are very very bad)
CGB would play pacman with a splash of Yamata Dragon lol
Sadly, the magic progression wouldn't work too well because Rarran actually did do a grind to Mythic in MTG Arena a few months ago (with help.) He'd be starting way ahead there. He's got a decent understanding of the game now.
You can FEEL how much CGB's heart was broken from learning that Yamata Dragon is bad. Its like his soul got punched.
That was my realization as well many years ago. Tried really hard to make that card work.
@@blue-dragon Spirits being worthless always hurt. They just did not think the return to hand concept through. They probably should have let them cheat themselves out somehow as part of being a spirit. Give them a rush duel effect maybe. Play like Floo.
Though they faired better than unions. Who faired better than Gemini. Who faired better than LV monsters.
@@Merilirem I mean out of the failed types, outside of rituals, Spirits are the next best thing. Yatagarasu was banned forever, Tsukuyomi was banned for a really long time, Amano Iwato was meta for several months and a staple in a lot of stun decks, and the Mitamas are usable in a lot of rank 4 strategies, most commonly Exosisters which were meta for some time. It's definitely much better than Unions, who I don't think had any bans, and Geminis, who, compared to Unions, was at least meta in Hero Beat.
@@Merilirem Yeah, I did love the concept of them.
@@monkeylemurwasn't the buster blader baby dragon banned until they figured out union carrier was the problem (which is also a hard hit to unions)? Not to mention abc spent some time limited (it was a weird limit, but it still happened)
Man I absolutely love how Jar of Greed has aged in light of new card theory. I always loved the card even back when I was a kid for *exactly* the reason that Cimooo stated: I loved to set it to bait out backrow removal. It was always a 3 of in my decks as a kid.
;:
"What filthy acts at (potentially) reasonable prices with a YGO player be willing to do for a plus 1?"
Dirty Deeds Done Dirth Cheap
Filthy acts at a reasonable price
I’ll win this horse race for a +1
Doesn't seem all that crazy, I'd banish like half my extra deck, at most
Twenty Dollars is Twenty Dollars
An important part of Card Destruction is that while you're -1 and your opponent probably has graveyard synergy, you get to use your graveyard advantage first as it is your turn.
Yeah and then having the option to go into the extra deck first is a huge advantage if both players summon from the GY
Was surprised he didn't mention it. By the time they get to use that advantage, you already prepared for it. You looked at the cards they sent and that info meant you knew what to set up to stop them from gaining advantage from it. As a Chaos player I am happy enough to CD a dark world player because they do a bunch of stuff but I'll still do more because I go first and whatever they summon isn't sticking around.
@@Merilirem TBF to CGB, all that negate and whatever else, is still not stuck in his head. as to understand that, you really need to play Yugioh, as Yugioh is the fighting game of board games with everything = Free + omni negates etc etc etc.
And Cimo has traumatized CGB enough to never want to touch Yugioh as well.
Well, except for tearlament era
@@Merilirem big doubt on that, cuz if they have sillvas in hand you're playing a discard 4 draw 0🤣
Laughed out loud at the idea of jar of greed just staring at you for the whole game doing nothing
Something that I think CGB misses and that maybe Alex hasn't drilled in yet, is that while yes, almost all of our creatures and powerful spells and traps are free, it means that so is almost all of the removal. And when evaluating especially older formats like goat, you gotta remember that every deck for the most part is jamming a good mix of monster and spell trap removal, its just pretty easy to get decent spot removal or even board wipes in yugioh, so slower strategies or anything that requires resource consolidation needs to contend with the fact that your opponent is usually in a good position to take out a considerable part of your board at any time
Most of our instant equivalents needing to be in a vulnerable position on the board is another big thing.
Its even more complicated than though though. Because you cant just say, run MST to blow up any spell or trap. Its a 1 for 1 removal but that removal spell could have been literally anything else, especially if it can be played turn 0 when you are going second.
So, CGB, for context on why Dark Confidant is great, but Des Lacooda isn't. One big key difference is that you can just simply choose to not block with Dark Confidant, therefore it lives through Battle and forces your opponent to have some kind of removal spell, otherwise it'll make it to the next turn and you'll get the value. Same theory behind Esper Sentinel being amazing, yet only a 1/1 that makes your opp only pay 1 extra mana, one time each turn. That same card in Yugioh, wouldn't survive the turn and would be dreadful. Because, with Yugioh, everything has Taunt. And Yugioh is usually over by turn 2 or 3. So, typically your opponent can easily remove bodies, or at the very least, put a few thousand ATK worth of Damage on the board. And as they are forced to attack through your monsters first, something like Des Lacooda, would never survive the battle phase of your opponents' first turn. :)
I think the confusing point is cimo saying “Dark Confidant would be busted _in YUGIOH_”
Then there are plays that allow you to draw 12 cards a turn or more. There is a play in HEROs where they draw cards based on the number of cards their opponent controls and the effect is not hard once per turn.
you gotta show him banned or once banned boss monsters if you didnt already like master peace, apoqliphort towers, el shaddoll construct, archnemeses protos etc and ask if they were banned and now are they banned
A "Best of Boss Monsters" highlight reel going through the history of notable boss monsters like what he did with handtraps.
Ultimate conducter tyrano
Show him Venominaga before Towers for misdirection lol
You mean members of the "Kaiju Victim" group chat
Him talking about upstart without knowing the context of the card may have been unironically the highlight of this series so far
Not only does he get right that this card is just really good either way and gets better and better as deck's gameplans become stronger and stronger (which it did, in Upstart's 3-of in every deck era) but that suddenly it becomes worse and worse if the individual card quality becomes so high that drawing a single card is not worth running it (which ALSO HAPPENED, this card is functionally unplayable nowadays due to every card doing far more for you)
and he recognized that entire thing without even knowing the actual context, only reading the card itself. thats honestly incredibly impressive
Yeah, it's like he channeled the inner Pharaoh to dialogue about it, with that Pharaoh being LSV.
That still doesn't make sense to me, because it doesn't matter if a card does far more than it - Upstart lets you draw those cards.
A card doesn't have to do more than Upstart Goblin, it has to do more or do better than the other cards around it.
By the time you play upstart going second, if you failed to stop their board, youre in a horrificaly bad hole unless your name is tenpai in which case youre better off running 3 of every good board breaker instead.@@stuflames4769
@@stuflames4769 I think the theory goes something like this.
Lets take a power card like Mathmech circular for example.
Yes upstart lets you play a 37 card deck so you are more likely to draw into circular.
However you could also play small world which lets you have "6" copies of circular in your deck. I think searchers have replaced the spot for it.
Along with increasing your chances of drawing your soft garnets, cards have just become so multi-purposed and powerful that you would rather run more copes of powerful cards.
The reason why upstart is not played anymore is because lockbird/ash blossom can potencially turn those into dead cards
The funny part about Card Destruction is when a deck like Dark World or Tear runs it in Master Duel as an alt win con against Maxx "C". Card Destruction ends up in the graveyard somehow and you add it back with something like Curious and just win the game by deckout if they have like 18 cards or something in hand.
Maxx C against Dark World is already the dumbest idea anyone sane could ever do.
Turn 1. They special summon Silvva, you Maxx C in response...
By the end of turn 1. you have 0 cards left in the deck. They sit there laughing maniacally as they go: Your turn.
@@livedandletdie Unless you are running Exodia, in which case the Dark World player just does all the work for you, assuming they don't Card Destruction you at the wrong time.
Can't wait for the Companions episode that has to happen. The Extra Deck of MTG in a sense
I wish it was possible to have multiple Companions.
Or just have more of them made, even if they were weaker cards, just let me have more options.
Man, being a CGB fan is making peace with rooting for the charming villain. "Nickle & dime, death by a thousand cuts control - my favorite archetype"
How is that the villain, that's almost exclusively the way a hero's story plays out.
Case in point: That's what Yugi's deck does. And it's what Jaden's deck does.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 nah, modern players would hate them.
@@HazeEmry That's because modern yugioh players ARE the villains.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 lmao trueee
*Chestnuts roasting on an open fire,*
*Cimo grinning, traps in place.*
*CGB’s staring as the stakes get higher,*
*“What’s a Chain Link? I’ve lost the pace.”*
*Mana taps and Magic wins are on his mind,*
*But Yu-Gi-Oh’s a different show.*
*“Pot of Greed?” CGB looks to find,*
*“It draws two cards... I think I know?”*
*And so I’m offering this card game clash,*
*Between two worlds of cardboard dreams.*
*Whether Magic or Yu-Gi-Oh brings the flash,*
*It’s the joy of the duel that reigns supreme*
*Yu-Gi-Oh rulings spinning through the air,*
*Synchros, Pendulums-CGB’s in despair.*
*But win or lose, it’s clear what’s true:*
*It’s the joy of the game-Merry Christmas to you.*
35:00 A phrase I would like to hear come out of Cimo's mouth is "dies to doomblade", the MTG shorthand for expensive and seemingly busted stuff that just will never work in practice because cheap removal exists and it has no protection.
Unfortunately, half the things nowadays are zombies. Not because they're that type, but because they just refuse to stay in the GY.
The dark confidant and camel difference is one can be directly attacked and the other you can just not block with. "Guaranteeing the draw"
Yeah if it was just a Yugioh spell card or acted as if it wasn't there letting your opponents past instead of being attacked, it might actually be strong.
"How is a Goblin a spell card?" That's an interesting mindset. I guess that goes to show the contrast between the two games.
It's actually even dumber in magic where everything is a spell, including creatures.
"Goblin Gathering" for one.
@diegomangueira well yeah the *spell* is what you're using to summon the creature in the first place
Notably, cards cease to be "spells" once they finish casting and are either on the field as permanents or are in graveyard/exile
@@diegomangueira But the spell types will affect what the name of the card are. A creature spell will have a name that indicates what type of creature you've summoned. An instant or sorcery spell will have a name that's evocative of what the spell is actually doing. An artifact will have a name that tells you it's some sort of object.
I guess the spell is the action the goblin is doing
I looked up replacement effects in Magic for something unrelated and noticed that CGB is actually wrong about Reckless Greed. It would work exactly the same in MtG as it does in Yu-Gi-Oh.
614.10 states that effects that skip phases are classified as replacements in the form "if X would happen, do nothing instead" and 614.7 specifies that if a replacement tries to replace an event that never happens, it just doesn't do anything.
So by those rules, if you play two Reckless Greeds in the same turn, both of them will attempt to skip the same two draw steps - one of them will skip the step, but the other will do nothing since the draw step it's trying to skip no longer exists.
The difference between dark confidant and des lacooda is that monsters can always attack monsters. For dark confidant you need to invest a removal card (which you dont always have) or it will give you value meanwhile Des Lacooda gets killed by everything (600 as a stat line is about as low as you can go, monsters with it will NEVER win combat) so you dont really need to invest anything except an attack from a monster (which they needed to do anyways since you cant attack directly)
??? I'm so confused.
Dark confident is also a "monster" with a very low "defense" stat.
If it were in Yugioh, it would be attacked just as easily as Des Lacooda. No need for a removal card. Sure, between the games, there is that difference, but they were talking about how Dark Confidant would work in Yugioh.
@@altrivotzck6565 The main difference is that Yugioh doesn't have a black phase where you the player can choose what creatures get attacked, the opposing player gets to decide what gets attacked, and so to get rid of a dark confidant you almost always need to have some kind of removal for it besides combat, while des lacooda can be killed by pretty much anything on board unless you build your entire deck around protecting it, which added to the reason the card was never banned or restricted.
@@D_Abellus did you even read what I said?
Yeah, I know. I literally was talking about that. I was saying that _in_ _Yugioh_ , Dark Confidant would be just as easy to kill as Des Lacooda.
@@altrivotzck6565 To attack Dark Confidant your opponent has to choose to use it as a meat shield, they however will not and will just take your little damage in exchange for its continued value instead. You don't choose what gets attacked in Magic, the person being attacked does, and they can choose to be attacked directly.
@@EnbyOccultist ..... Reading comprehension check: failed.
All I learned from this video is that he would love Runick
Runick is literally just magic control but yugioh
Runick stun specifically
I love how such a simple collab led to endless hours of content
*_3_* videos with CGB in 2 weeks?!?!
Cimooo; you're spoiling us!! (Please continue to spoil us; I need more of you two interacting in my life....)
I never thought about this before but I actually agree with CGB concerning Reckless Greed! Like he said, “Something has to resolve first.”
CGB is already a yugioh player. He sees “draw a card” and neurons start firing.
Also we’ve been to nice recently, we need a nice break your brain episode for him. Give him pendulums.
Man got zero correct answers and you say he's had it easy
@@vandv547 Yeah, it's true though, he's had it easy, just because he was wrong on every point doesn't mean his reasoning wasn't sound, and let's not act as if everyone didn't try to make Yamata Dragon work in the past...
Nah, Magic players just like drawing cards. We spent the money. We want to touch our cards.
@@vandv547 i would give Upstart to him actually
The difference with Des Lacooda is the game mechanic that in Magic you can choose not to block while in Yu-Gi-Oh the opponent just runs into this every single time! So in magic there is at least a chance that it survives a turn or two!
We need a part 2 of this. There are so many more cards to cover. And would be nice to know CGB's opinion on them.
I'm thinking of this now (have not seen the full video), but it would HILARIOUS if CGB was shown Anime Card of Sanctity.
He would be profounded at that card for how long, and then be so relieved it wasn't in the game.
I was thinking that he shows him the real care then he says it was the best draw card hype it up then say in the anime so that’s why they changed it for the real game
Des Lacooda is extremely Magic-friendly. It can be basically read as: Untap this creature on your turn. You can tap this creature to draw a card.
It would actually be way better in Magic since getting rid of creatures isn't as easy as getting rid of monsters in Yugioh.
Haven't touched a TCG in 20 years. Let me grab my popcorn.
Another upside of Pot of Avarice that didn't really get touched on is that sometimes there are monsters that you WANT to put back into your Deck after using them (Gadgets, Tengu, Scattershot, etc).
Card 1: MUNCH ALL NOOBS
Did anybody else get baited when Cimo said "Look, it's Pot of Greed's reincarnation" that they thought it was going to be Pot of Desires, or was that just me?
No I thought it was gonna be desires too but I guess he wants to continue with the trend of showing mostly old cards so makes sense I suppose
No, I thought it was going to be Jar of Greed because I saw the thumbnail.
The biggest bait that's been happening in a lot of the episodes already: special summoning isn't special, but most of the time you actually do need your normal summon in order to get your chain of special summoning going. If a monster requires your normal summon and they do nothing, they're 99% shit, unless the archetype is built to normal summon that monster.
Also Reckless Greed works like this because lingering effects are independent of one another. Both Reckless Greeds independently check the next 2 draw phases. There's nothing on the card or the rules that say one phase check can only apply to one card somehow.
You gotta love the C 👏G 👏 B 👏
Cimo had a really nice explanation of JOG and how it’s used in Edison.
Man, I would love to see this guy react to full power ishizu-tear. Also this type of video but using archetypes would be fun to watch; i would love to see his thoughts on decks like dragon-link, rescue-ace, yubel and many others. 😂
43:43 I'll watch whatever you make as long as you're suffering, CGB. Your misery brings me indescribable joy. Thank you, Cimo, for another banger!
I wish we would've mentioned the Maxx c counter in master duel of decking out a guy from card destruction
36:10 if he could be special summoned, tenpai players would have eaten this thing up a long time ago
I'm so ready for the Pendulum and XYZ episode. CBG will go nuts.
The more I see of CGB and the cards he likes... he might really like modern Paleo if he ever did give Yu-Gi-Oh a try. I mean it is the death by a million cuts stun/control deck entirely based around trap cards, that has a card that basically says "draw as many cards as your opponent has on the field" or to put it another way anywhere from "draw 11 cards" to "draw 1 card" all dependant on the opponent's board, as well as ways to more or less shrug off the opponent having that large board.
Paleo Runick could be good. That'd have lots of draw power, and the Runick spells act like instants in Magic while the Field Spell is on the field.
Pot of Avarice + The Transmigration Prophecy in a Hero deck was absolutely degenerate in 2006, I can't imagine that today. So much consistency and recursion.
deck the thing is actually important, because 'deck" is a non exclusive term, so you can shuffle things back into either the extra or main deck, this is important for beetroopers because you cannot summon mighty neptune by returning ed monsters, because it specific states return to the main deck, while stinglancer can return a monster to any deck
I can't wait for Cimo to introduce CGB to Ritual, Pendulum, Xyz, and Link Monsters and see his brain melt.
PLEASE show someone the crooked cook with right hand shark. They will 100% think its banned.
If we didn't have Kaijus and Underworld Goddess, it would likely become a problem.
@@Raphael4722 the mtg mind cannot comprehend Kaiju
Hearing both PACMAN and BKSS in the same video feels like a time machine back to 2009/2010 when I first started exploring online yugioh
Crazy
"Comments, tell me if Dark Confidant looks like a goblin."
Ye, sure
*looks up Dark Confidant*
... which one?
You two need a permanent colab! I'm sure CGB must be playing by now but it's so entertaining!
A big thing about card destruction is that you can set any spell or trap you want to keep before you use it, essentially allowing you to select the number of cards you want to discard. You can't set in MTG.
I'm standing by CGB with how Reckless Greed is supposed to work based on its wording. Your next 2 draw phases are 2 turns away.
Runick works on the same principle and would be straight up unplayable if the skips stacked on top of each other.
Your next 2 draw phases are the same 2 draw phases so it makes sense that it doesn’t skip 4
just because you skipped a phase doesn’t mean it doesnt exist, its still there just skipped over
@@cortert103 y'know, that sounds convincing actually. In my head when you skip 2, it means those 2 turns just don't have draw phases. Your next 2 draw phases are on turn x+3 and x+4. Maybe if the card says "Draw 2 cards and for your next 2 Draw Phases, skip your normal draw" it would be more intuitive.
I think of it the way Hearthstone wording works. For example, 'Your deathrattles trigger twice' wouldn't stack bc 'twice' can't interact w 'twice.' Or, for example, 'You and your opponent's decks are swapped' wouldn't stack either bc it's just a sentence. Saying the sentence twice doesn't add or reverse anything. Likewise, 'you skip your next two draw phases' wouldn't make a difference if you say it twice.
As someone who never played Yu-Gi-Oh outside playground 2003 time know what you're doing until master duel (and on and off of that) this is a fun series to watch and play along with
Upstart Goblin has been seeing play in one specific deck recently! It's gotten tops in wf
I think an important part of Upstart Goblin that wasn't expressed is that in modern Yu-Gi-Oh, players are so spoiled for choice when it comes to cars that disrupt that removing three of them means that when you're going second, that's just three less chances at having a key disruption piece. When players are already busting out calculators to figure out their odds of drawing bricks or having an optimal amount of disruption to engine, Upstart Goblin becomes the first card on the chopping block.
Stop babying CGB, give him pendulums! Show him a modern combo video!
Bro chill he still gotta be introduced to xyz’s lmao
@Dunker401 You're right. We can give him a Pendulum XYZ, two birds one stone, maximum confusion!
Bro have you heard most of his answers. He sometimes hits the nail on the head but he's one of the guest I feel understands the game the least.
Show him Nirvana High Paladin
I feel like Pendulums are something he'll grok faster than Synchros.
Hiding the rest below to give Mesa Falcon Guy the grace of remaining spoiler free.
I mean, modal (aka can be exclusively one or the other) Enchantment Creatures and Artifact Creatures and Adventures AND transforming as well as two-sided variants are absolutely a thing in Magic and can get hella complicated, especially recently, they just have more efficient language than Yu-Gi-Oh! cards.
13:57 Thank you! Tiaraments Strongest!
>Need sleep
>Cimo drops another CGB collab
Who needs sleep?
MFG gassing up Yamato was without noticing the lack of inherent protection was hilarious
Funny side note about upstart goblin, when soul charge was in the meta, upstart actually became slightly worse due to soul charge being the most broken card ever at the time and requiring thousands of life to function. As well as infernities being the best deck and upstart goblin making infernity archfiend miss the timing from its draw/special/search effect lmao
With more cards having to be played on turn 0 (handtraps) it means that upstart is not getting better and better.
(and droll)
Also Yugioh has more deck interaction with stuff that summons/uses material directly from the deck that you'd rather not draw (taketomborgs) to absolutely can't afford to draw (garnets). So thinning your deck is sometimes actually bad because while it increases your odds of drawing your best cards, it also increases your odds of drawing your worst cards.
Also with turns getting longer and longer so more game 3s run out of time and get decided by Life Points
Cimo is gonna traumatize CGB so bad that he'll never even wanna hear the word "yu-gi-oh"
It would be interesting if you guys have archetype reviews someday. Like, show CGB what kind of Yu-Gi-Oh! archetype would best fit his preferred way of playing a control deck.
Might need to get through a couple of hurdles for this to happen though:
1. Xyz, Pendulum, and Link summoning will have to be covered first, along with other niche game mechanics in Yu-Gi-Oh! that will have to be understood to fully get how a specific archetype works.
2. Some adjustments might have to be done to the "is it a good card" and "was it ever in the banlist" games when viewing multiple cards that are meant to synergize with each other.
ik theres a lot of context to it that makes it pretty unfair for this kind of video but i would love to see ursarctic radiation make an appearance here just for the "holy crap i get to draw 7!" reaction
Next time to really mess with him show him some of the clunkiest cards in the history of the game like Yubel and the Winged Dragon of Ra, and ask him not if they were banned but if they were ever actually playable without giving him the context of whether or not the card has the needed support to be usable and then blow his mind with the fact that Ra has it's own deck where it's usable even if not particularly good other then being a fun casual deck and that Yubel is actually meta.
A bit of context too. Droll and lockbird comes in and out of the meta. Using upstart goblin could make you instantly lose if your deck relies on adding cards to your hand.
"In your game"
The foreshadowing of explaining the difference between Exiled and Banished eventually.
6:32 The freaking jumpscare of hearing him say "Banned" just from the time Lacooda came out, I almost thought CGB got you good. lol
Thanks to this video, I see that there is a snake in the art of reckless greed in the treasure chest. I never knew until now
Something I don't see talked about Upstart is that in older YGO past the first turns decks were quite a lot clunckier in threatening lethal, so increasing your opponent's LPs might result in giving them an extra turn to draw into a powerful swingy spell/trap card.
it seems like a total waste to not have shown him pot of extravagance here!
Petition to colloquially refer to upstart as “Upstart Boblin” from here on out
Signed
That's really cool.
If you win a tournament a card gets made based on you, that's awesome!
The amount and quality of laugh I had watching every video in this series was big. Cimo, thank you for this. I wish you to get well.
8:40 In Yugioh, you can choose to attack the camel. In Magic you need actual card removal to get rid of confidante.
54:32 @covertgoblue „Exile is gone forever“ well not in Yugioh they actually had to print exile cards face down on cards because people started to abuse exiled cards in different ways 😂.
wut u mean started, yugioh been abusing banished stuff since forever taking a page straight outa kaiba’s book in the beginning with return from the DD
@ Yes there were mechanics that used the banishment since the very early days like gold sarc, the different dimensions stuff, thunder dragons etc. But I meant when ever they printed cards that banish as cost mechanic someone found a way for people to start abusing it to the point that they often have to Bann cards xD.
Im looking at you, gren manju 👀👀👀
Genuinely shocked you didn't show CGB Pot of Desires
the thing about upstart goblin is that it is a sorcery speed card, it plays into droll, it is incompatible with certain other card draw, and finally it sometimes conflicts with optimal ratios. in yugioh playing the minimum deck size is not always good because you have engine requirements that you don't want to draw. bricks basically and the smaller your deck the more likely you are to draw the card. in magic you play a card cuz you want to see it usually by drawing it. in yugioh you play many cards you never ever want to see and drawing it literally fucks you so hard and some decks will just go up to the 50 cards instead of 40 by padding out the deck with more non engine or non garnet engine cards.
the best magic analogy is cmc 0 card that you can't normally cast from hand and you want to cascade into. the rest of your deck is cascade cards, lands, and force of will and leyline of the void. you wont play a 10 card deck even if you have the option and since you're heavily relying on turn 0 leyline of the void and force of will when you go second, you might not even want to play a strictly worse gitaxian probe that doesnt give you the hand knowledge.
Cgb vs Rarran Duel
Swordsoul vs Toxicity 😂😂😂
Make it happen 🤘🤘🤘
funny thing about shuffle into the deck: when the effect says shuffle into the deck, then shuffling a card into the extra deck counts as being successful for checking "then" or "and if you do" as if it was properly shuffled into the deck. however if the cost is to shuffle in the deck then it doesn't work because konami said so. so if a card says shuffle into the deck for cost, then you can't shuffle back extra deck cards to pay that cost.
its because cost must be paid exactly as stated
@@YukiFubuki. but parts of effects conditional on doing other parts of effects do not have to be done exactly as stated yes? it just needs the previous part before a then conjunction to be "done". im kinda familiar with infernobles so i know the issue here. yugioh is a mess.
@@zengamer321 it depends on the conjunctive used, if an effect comes in 2 parts then for 'then' and 'and if you do' they both requires the first part of the effect to be legal to proceed to the second part but if the second part isnt legal you still must do the first part and the only difference between these 2 is that 'then' indicates the 2 parts of the effect happens in an order as written while 'and if you do' means its simultaneously occurring at the same time instead of one after another
however these conjunctives is for effects not cost so what card were you even thinking of in the first place
@@YukiFubuki. my comment was about avarice.
@@zengamer321 then why even state ‘because konami says so’ when a cost is not anyone’s discretion but simply being paid exactly as stated?
Nobody ever notices Avarice's Adolf 'stache.
The idea of the jar sitting there smiling like an asshole craked me up 😂
CGB is right that Reckless Greed wouldn't work the same way in MTG. Consider Stonehorn Dignitary - each time it ETBs, the opponent loses an additional combat phase. This is at the center of an old win condition for Azorius Familiars in Pauper and is still played occasionally in Flicker Tron.
Yeah, I agree with CGB that "skip" would seem to imply you can't lose the same phase twice.
If it said, "during your next two draw phases, you do not draw", that'd be much more clear.
@@SaberToothPortilla I think it's interesting how people interpret sentences. Bc your new wording is actually what I automatically think in my head reading reckless greed's original wording already.
@@hugomendoza5665 yea but when you skip your next 2 and you use a second one youve already skipped the next 2 so its the 2 after that. you cant skip something thats already been skipped.
No Pot of Desires? That would have been a fun conversation.
Starts with Des Lacooda. CGB gives take.
Somebody should send this video to MBT he loves P.A.C.M.A.N.
Pacman during progression series is OP as fuck early on
To clarify the whole "next 2 draw phases" thing:
Yu-Gi-Oh doesn't see into the future.
The cards don't know that your next draw phase is already going to be skipped, so the second and third reckless greeds can still be activated. Game state doesn't check if the phase is skipped until the time to enter said phase arrives. That's why you have to declare that you're skipping your battle phase when using Runick spells.
Floodgates like gozen match there can be only one and rivalry of warlords can see the future
@Bob12649 that's a misnomer.
Those prevent you from summoning certain monsters because the materials being sent are considered to still be on the field when the new monster is attempting to be summoned. It's not "seeing the future", it's really more "these two things happen at the same time".
This was Cimo's revenge for the first MTG restricted list video
Idea for a new video: these cards have ALL been banned in retro yugioh but you need to find out if it’s legal in current day (graceful, change of heart comes to mind)