Three things come to mind when I hear "Bad receiver". It really is a case by case basis. Where in the aircraft was the receiver mounted. Did the person who built the model bury it down in a birds nest of servo wire? Were the dual antennas properly set 90 degrees apart to allow for best signal reception? Does the person saying they lose signal use FPV gear? did they plop a high power VTX on to or in the vicinity of the receiver and basically over power a good portion of the signals received. Is the receiver getting proper voltage to function. So many people use the cheapest ESC's they can get their hands on which may not have a proper or even stable voltage regulator tap to power receivers properly. It boils down most times to operator error or lack of knowledge or just plain laziness.
You bring up some other possible factors to the signal loss. Agreed that it could be any of those things you mentioned. Here's one I had heard about too with folks complaining about Spektrum receivers losing signal/brownouts. Yup Spektrum. Basically it was pointing the finger at folks running their models too hard or the batteries too low to the point that the receiver cuts out momentarily.
What about the use of carbon fibre in the structure and people running aerials alongside? Had an 86C Rx and had some fun with range signal so checked out the aerial config on utoob et al, took on board the recommendations and reconfigured them, and that plus a fine retune on the Radiomaster Tx, fixed the problem!
Radiomaster and frysky recievers need to be fine tuned. If you don't do this your plane will drop from the sky. There are a lot of great videos out here how to do it. Bind the protocol you want, cycle power then fine tune. They are not plug and play.
I had wondered this too with users having problems. I have fine tuned mine and not had any issues. In fact, I had read that once you fine tune the FrSky protocol with your radio you don't have to fine tune it again... The same number will work for all FrSky receivers and that protocol. I believe the manual says this as well. Well I had actually done it for all my receivers and honestly the number is different per model.
@perkyplanesrc9363 I believe too that the number could be slightly different. I have a few that are different, not but much but a little. It blows my mind how quickly people bash great electronics because they dont know how to use it. Radiomaster makes excellent radios and equipment. I switched from Spektrum a year ago and will never look back. Even with my experience, i still found it challenging to learn new systems, but in the end, it's very rewarding. Spektrum gets bashed hard as well, and i never had an issue. It was the same thing. Pilots are not using equipment properly
I never tested or used the original receivers but I have done extensive testing of the R88 V2 on my channel and haven't had any trouble with them at all. Perfectly acceptable range. I'll keep using them, just ordered two more in fact. I have no doubt that many folks have to find something to blame for their "dumb thumb moments" and the budget receiver, or transmitter, gets the blame.
I've got an r86c in an electrified Super Sportster 60 built last winter. Tx16s using D8 protocol feeding sbus to an A3S4 gyro. 92 flights without issue since April 2023. No crashes or critical signal messages. Still do have some discomfort thinking about other's problems. It does seem that RM is making a hard turn toward ELRS and I may join those who've switched sometime soon.
i have had poor quality in other radiomaster parts like the micro ranger module....pins were blocked from factory and had to be returned...poor quality control.
I purchased an R85c Rx and after fine tuning was setting it up in my model but found servo glitches about every 5-10 seconds. If I smoothly moved a stick back and forth the servo would move fine then just stop for half a sec or so then catch up. Nothing reported as anything other than strong signal. Decided I didnt dare to fly it. The Tx16s is fine, I fly with it all the time with FrSky rx, Spektrum, OrangeRX, Storm 902. The R85C passed a range test, but had the glitch still with some range.
I have 2 R86 V2's bond to a Futaba T8J on S-FHSS and even though I was able to walk 30 paces on Power Down mode I as 2 loss of signal incidents which could have killed the model but I was lucky that control came back. Unless I hear any solutions they are going in the bin and I will be going back to Corona.
I just bought one of each, we are gonna try and see. I figured i have the radio, lets try the receiver! Cant be any worse than trinagy back in the day, lol.
Don't use reverse engineered FrSky receivers make the switch to ELRS. The ELRS team provides hardware reference designs so no reverse engineering of the protocol is needed and thus much less potential for unforseen problems. With 4-in-1 and off brand FrSky receivers you are using code that was developed by looking at the protocol between the radio and the receiver but the developers of the 4-in-1 code have no idea how the original code actually works. This is not the case with ELRS everything about the system is well understood.
Despite not having any issues with them, I am being cautious. And I have picked up the gear to try out ELRS. Just need to figure which plane to put it in.
I honestly steered clear of Orange for fear of having issues. Used plenty of Lemon DSMX receivers and all were solid. I did sample a DSMX receiver from banggood ... Think it was called RedCon... It had some issues. Luckily just used it as a bench receiver.
Do you mean the freq fine tune? If so, it only lights up on the transmitter when it is required... Which is mainly on the FrSky protocol. If you are binding and freq fine tune doesn't show up then you don't have to worry about it.
I would argue they are faulty, therefore junk. I purchased 2 R88, and 2 R86 about 2 or 3 years ago. One refused to bind no matter what I did until eventually it did so I did a range check, 5 meters was the best I got. One just had a sad pathetic LED struggling to light when I powered it, and refused to do anything, and the third had a range of about 30 meters until failsafe. One was OK, bound, tuned and range tested ok but I honestly lobbed it along with the others in the bin. I don't work on a 25% success rate! Yes all fine tuned, the ones that would even bind to begin with of course..... I'm glad I didn't fly with any of them. A friend in my club has had 1 R86 fail after working ok for a couple of flights then just didn't turn on again. That's 4 failed from 5 of these Rx I have personally owned or have seen first hand . Maybe it's a batch problem, a design problem, or something like a heat drift problem, no idea, but definitely was a problem for me, and many others. I have used quite a few systems in the last 10 or so years, 900 Crossfire, FRsky OEM Rx , and now ELRS, so I am reasonably apt with the intricacy's of each system. I have no problem with radiomaster, I have 2 of their radios, and now their ELRS based receivers ER6 and ER8 which are really solid. I'm slowly switching over from using the good but otherwise DIY looking stop gap Matek ELRS Rx with Matek PWM converters, but I won't lie, after my R86, R88 experience it took me a while to buy another radiomaster ELRS Rx!
Recently purchased radio master micro for a byme a gyro receiver bound but can't get any surfaces to move So don't know if it's me or the receiver so for now I'm leaning junk
Not sure I follow. What hardware do you have? Which Transmitter? Which receiver? And you mention a BYME gyro which appears to be Radiolink brand. I do know that when I was using Spektrum, there was a procedure you had to follow first in order for the surfaces to move and the system to activate and be ready. So that could be the case here. Let me know what equipment you are using and I'll try to help. 🙂
@perkyplanesrc9363 I'm just struggling I'm back in the hobby after years considering my old Jr transmitter was 72 mhz so I'm trying to muddle my way through edge TX on tx16smark 2 and feel like beating my head against the wall so now I have a radio link r8 xm bound and control surfaces are fine but can't get any gyro functions to a switch and you tube is no help when it comes to a step by step video for how to set this darn thing up on said transmitter I'm 58 years old and I guess to stupid for this radio and I'm much to poor to purchase spectrum products Thanks for the vent
Like anything it takes time. I haven't even tried gyros with the Radiomaster yet. Have you programmed any other planes in it first? If not, I would do that first before doing anything with a gyro. Give me a little bit and I'll see if I can find something to help ya.
I didn't find much on the BYME gyro although I am sure it can be done. Assuming you've done basic model programming, I would look at some of the FrSky receivers with a built in gyro (usually designated with an S in the model name...ex: S8R, S6R...). They will be the ACCST protocol receiver and you will need to fine tune them as well when you bind them to the Radiomaster. I am sure there are much videos and support on doing those type of receivers with the Radiomaster. I think Radiomaster has their own gyro receivers too.
@@rodgerhunter1591 I'm 64 trying to learn opentx first with Frsky and now with radiomaster Tx16S you've got to give it time to sink in i keep going back to it a few days apart and watching different people explain how to do the same task you can see what you have been doing wrong, the main problem with legacy radios is price I have a secondhand futaba T10J radio 50% dearer than frsky or radiomaster and does not talk to me the timer is usless as my hearing is going and will not do vibration on timer and does not send timer through earpiece, that's my vent ,keep trying the headache will get better.
This just popped up in my suggested. Interesting timing! I have used R84, R86, and R168 (the one with battery telemetry that FrSky sued over) without issue until now. Hopefully UA-cam will let me link my vid. This R168 failed, and I caught it happening. This was new out of packaging when installed in plane, and had about 3 flights on it. Currently flying it on a new ER8, but only have a couple flights on it. I have the R86 in a Great Planes Kunai, which is a semi-fast glider/sport plane and this experience has made me feel like the R86 needs to come out. ua-cam.com/video/t6Aah9eDiO8/v-deo.html
Interesting story... Thanks for sharing. Not sure what happened there. I'd be curious to see if you could find a cause for it.... Voltage issues? Bad board and/or soldering? Something wrong during the firmware update? Did you freq fine tune? Wonder if you could run some logs on it too to see what's wrong. That's cool you got the ELRS receiver. I have one too to try out .. not sure what to put it in yet though.
@@perkyplanesrc9363 It was definitely that specific receiver, and it was frequency tuned. I bought a bunch of 168s for like $12 right after it was announced FrSky was suing them over the design, now I'm a little worried about using them. I'm now using 2 ER8s and and ER6, no complaints so far! 🤞
Three things come to mind when I hear "Bad receiver". It really is a case by case basis. Where in the aircraft was the receiver mounted. Did the person who built the model bury it down in a birds nest of servo wire? Were the dual antennas properly set 90 degrees apart to allow for best signal reception? Does the person saying they lose signal use FPV gear? did they plop a high power VTX on to or in the vicinity of the receiver and basically over power a good portion of the signals received. Is the receiver getting proper voltage to function. So many people use the cheapest ESC's they can get their hands on which may not have a proper or even stable voltage regulator tap to power receivers properly. It boils down most times to operator error or lack of knowledge or just plain laziness.
You bring up some other possible factors to the signal loss. Agreed that it could be any of those things you mentioned.
Here's one I had heard about too with folks complaining about Spektrum receivers losing signal/brownouts. Yup Spektrum. Basically it was pointing the finger at folks running their models too hard or the batteries too low to the point that the receiver cuts out momentarily.
Bingo. User error
Very good comments!
What about the use of carbon fibre in the structure and people running aerials alongside? Had an 86C Rx and had some fun with range signal so checked out the aerial config on utoob et al, took on board the recommendations and reconfigured them, and that plus a fine retune on the Radiomaster Tx, fixed the problem!
Radiomaster and frysky recievers need to be fine tuned. If you don't do this your plane will drop from the sky. There are a lot of great videos out here how to do it. Bind the protocol you want, cycle power then fine tune. They are not plug and play.
I had wondered this too with users having problems. I have fine tuned mine and not had any issues.
In fact, I had read that once you fine tune the FrSky protocol with your radio you don't have to fine tune it again... The same number will work for all FrSky receivers and that protocol. I believe the manual says this as well. Well I had actually done it for all my receivers and honestly the number is different per model.
@perkyplanesrc9363 I believe too that the number could be slightly different. I have a few that are different, not but much but a little. It blows my mind how quickly people bash great electronics because they dont know how to use it. Radiomaster makes excellent radios and equipment. I switched from Spektrum a year ago and will never look back. Even with my experience, i still found it challenging to learn new systems, but in the end, it's very rewarding. Spektrum gets bashed hard as well, and i never had an issue. It was the same thing. Pilots are not using equipment properly
Good video. I had a R86 when they first came out a couple years ago and I had trouble with it losing signal right out of the box
I've only had these receivers about 8 months... So maybe the first batches were bad?
+ for fine tuning.
I do doubt the range stated by radiomaster.
But for your basic airfield, they work for me.
Works for me too
I have one and haven't had any trouble with it
I never tested or used the original receivers but I have done extensive testing of the R88 V2 on my channel and haven't had any trouble with them at all. Perfectly acceptable range. I'll keep using them, just ordered two more in fact. I have no doubt that many folks have to find something to blame for their "dumb thumb moments" and the budget receiver, or transmitter, gets the blame.
Agreed... I am happy with them as well. I have only used the FrSky protocol on mine and not the Futaba protocol
The ELRS receivers are boss... no problems.
I just picked up one... I'll be giving it a try too. 🙂
I've got an r86c in an electrified Super Sportster 60 built last winter. Tx16s using D8 protocol feeding sbus to an A3S4 gyro. 92 flights without issue since April 2023. No crashes or critical signal messages. Still do have some discomfort thinking about other's problems. It does seem that RM is making a hard turn toward ELRS and I may join those who've switched sometime soon.
That's awesome... Glad to hear you've had some success with it. And yeah I hear lots of good about ELRS
i have had poor quality in other radiomaster parts like the micro ranger module....pins were blocked from factory and had to be returned...poor quality control.
I purchased an R85c Rx and after fine tuning was setting it up in my model but found servo glitches about every 5-10 seconds. If I smoothly moved a stick back and forth the servo would move fine then just stop for half a sec or so then catch up. Nothing reported as anything other than strong signal. Decided I didnt dare to fly it. The Tx16s is fine, I fly with it all the time with FrSky rx, Spektrum, OrangeRX, Storm 902. The R85C passed a range test, but had the glitch still with some range.
I have 2 R86 V2's bond to a Futaba T8J on S-FHSS and even though I was able to walk 30 paces on Power Down mode I as 2 loss of signal incidents which could have killed the model but I was lucky that control came back. Unless I hear any solutions they are going in the bin and I will be going back to Corona.
Interesting... I had wondered about the Futaba protocol side of things with these receivers. Thanks for sharing your experience.
I just bought one of each, we are gonna try and see. I figured i have the radio, lets try the receiver! Cant be any worse than trinagy back in the day, lol.
So far I've been happy with them. :-)
Have experience with plenty of Turnigy stuff and never been disappointed. Havent tried their receivers though.
Don't use reverse engineered FrSky receivers make the switch to ELRS. The ELRS team provides hardware reference designs so no reverse engineering of the protocol is needed and thus much less potential for unforseen problems. With 4-in-1 and off brand FrSky receivers you are using code that was developed by looking at the protocol between the radio and the receiver but the developers of the 4-in-1 code have no idea how the original code actually works. This is not the case with ELRS everything about the system is well understood.
Despite not having any issues with them, I am being cautious. And I have picked up the gear to try out ELRS. Just need to figure which plane to put it in.
I’ve had no trouble with several Radiomaster receivers. Now Orange RX… those are lost communications trash!
I honestly steered clear of Orange for fear of having issues. Used plenty of Lemon DSMX receivers and all were solid. I did sample a DSMX receiver from banggood ... Think it was called RedCon... It had some issues. Luckily just used it as a bench receiver.
Do you know if i need to do the frequency calibration with a radiomaster satellite sbus receiver?thanks
Do you mean the freq fine tune? If so, it only lights up on the transmitter when it is required... Which is mainly on the FrSky protocol.
If you are binding and freq fine tune doesn't show up then you don't have to worry about it.
@@perkyplanesrc9363 ok thanks!!!
I would argue they are faulty, therefore junk. I purchased 2 R88, and 2 R86 about 2 or 3 years ago. One refused to bind no matter what I did until eventually it did so I did a range check, 5 meters was the best I got. One just had a sad pathetic LED struggling to light when I powered it, and refused to do anything, and the third had a range of about 30 meters until failsafe. One was OK, bound, tuned and range tested ok but I honestly lobbed it along with the others in the bin. I don't work on a 25% success rate! Yes all fine tuned, the ones that would even bind to begin with of course..... I'm glad I didn't fly with any of them. A friend in my club has had 1 R86 fail after working ok for a couple of flights then just didn't turn on again. That's 4 failed from 5 of these Rx I have personally owned or have seen first hand .
Maybe it's a batch problem, a design problem, or something like a heat drift problem, no idea, but definitely was a problem for me, and many others. I have used quite a few systems in the last 10 or so years, 900 Crossfire, FRsky OEM Rx , and now ELRS, so I am reasonably apt with the intricacy's of each system. I have no problem with radiomaster, I have 2 of their radios, and now their ELRS based receivers ER6 and ER8 which are really solid. I'm slowly switching over from using the good but otherwise DIY looking stop gap Matek ELRS Rx with Matek PWM converters, but I won't lie, after my R86, R88 experience it took me a while to buy another radiomaster ELRS Rx!
Recently purchased radio master micro for a byme a gyro receiver bound but can't get any surfaces to move
So don't know if it's me or the receiver so for now I'm leaning junk
Not sure I follow.
What hardware do you have? Which Transmitter? Which receiver? And you mention a BYME gyro which appears to be Radiolink brand.
I do know that when I was using Spektrum, there was a procedure you had to follow first in order for the surfaces to move and the system to activate and be ready. So that could be the case here. Let me know what equipment you are using and I'll try to help. 🙂
@perkyplanesrc9363 I'm just struggling I'm back in the hobby after years considering my old Jr transmitter was 72 mhz so I'm trying to muddle my way through edge TX on tx16smark 2 and feel like beating my head against the wall so now I have a radio link r8 xm bound and control surfaces are fine but can't get any gyro functions to a switch and you tube is no help when it comes to a step by step video for how to set this darn thing up on said transmitter
I'm 58 years old and I guess to stupid for this radio and I'm much to poor to purchase spectrum products
Thanks for the vent
Like anything it takes time. I haven't even tried gyros with the Radiomaster yet. Have you programmed any other planes in it first? If not, I would do that first before doing anything with a gyro. Give me a little bit and I'll see if I can find something to help ya.
I didn't find much on the BYME gyro although I am sure it can be done.
Assuming you've done basic model programming, I would look at some of the FrSky receivers with a built in gyro (usually designated with an S in the model name...ex: S8R, S6R...). They will be the ACCST protocol receiver and you will need to fine tune them as well when you bind them to the Radiomaster. I am sure there are much videos and support on doing those type of receivers with the Radiomaster. I think Radiomaster has their own gyro receivers too.
@@rodgerhunter1591 I'm 64 trying to learn opentx first with Frsky and now with radiomaster Tx16S you've got to give it time to sink in i keep going back to it a few days apart and watching different people explain how to do the same task you can see what you have been doing wrong, the main problem with legacy radios is price I have a secondhand futaba T10J radio 50% dearer than frsky or radiomaster and does not talk to me the timer is usless as my hearing is going and will not do vibration on timer and does not send timer through earpiece, that's my vent ,keep trying the headache will get better.
Were they finetuned what protocol did they use
They were fine tuned... Used the FrSky protocol
i think this is the key in radiomaster 88 video they show to use a FRSKY-x but the EDGTX documents show FUTABA witch one do you use? 😊
Maybe you didn't install and power them right!!
Maybe for others... I had no issues with them.
Got both types, total rubbish.
What issues? Wouldn't bind? Loss of signal?
This just popped up in my suggested. Interesting timing! I have used R84, R86, and R168 (the one with battery telemetry that FrSky sued over) without issue until now.
Hopefully UA-cam will let me link my vid. This R168 failed, and I caught it happening. This was new out of packaging when installed in plane, and had about 3 flights on it. Currently flying it on a new ER8, but only have a couple flights on it.
I have the R86 in a Great Planes Kunai, which is a semi-fast glider/sport plane and this experience has made me feel like the R86 needs to come out.
ua-cam.com/video/t6Aah9eDiO8/v-deo.html
Interesting story... Thanks for sharing. Not sure what happened there. I'd be curious to see if you could find a cause for it.... Voltage issues? Bad board and/or soldering? Something wrong during the firmware update? Did you freq fine tune? Wonder if you could run some logs on it too to see what's wrong.
That's cool you got the ELRS receiver. I have one too to try out .. not sure what to put it in yet though.
@@perkyplanesrc9363 It was definitely that specific receiver, and it was frequency tuned. I bought a bunch of 168s for like $12 right after it was announced FrSky was suing them over the design, now I'm a little worried about using them.
I'm now using 2 ER8s and and ER6, no complaints so far! 🤞