My very first PC i built was the amd k6-2 400. Paired it with a Voodoo 3 2000 oc'd. This was a gigantic upgrade from the family Dell PC we had that only had a Pentium 166mhz with MX technology and like a 4mb Trident video card, lol. Man those were the days, nonstop many hours of HL, UT and Q3 on that machine. Those really were the glory days of PC gaming.
Dude, I learnt something new from you today: had no idea whatsoever that you can run K6-2 processors on a Socket 7 board. This is a complete game changer for me. Thank you Phil for making these videos.
Well, I have an AOpen AX59-Pro which is already running the latest BIOS, but I plan on making an ultimate K6 build on that. I have an ABIT PH-5 (SIS Chipset) with an original manual, but it only mentions AMD K5, Cyrix 6x86 and Pentium 54C and 55C class processors in the manual and I can't find the 'latest' BIOS for it anywhere. Then I've got some sort of Intel 430VX motherboard, I have no ideal what brand it is, or if it even works (I found it in the trash). I also have a very rusty Acer Acentra Pentium 120 system that I bought from some guy's ex wife who was throwing his old stuff out. I've managed to download the manual for it, but it uses some proprietary BIOS with very limited controls. Its powered by an ALi chipset, which is always good. According to the manual it has multipliers 1.5-3, voltages from 2.5 to 2.9 (no hidden settings as far as I can see). The BIOS originally had a password lock on it, but I managed to remove it using a freeware tool. For some reason, I have grown a liking to this ugly duckling and would like to do something like this with it.
Great review. I had a K6-2 300 (100 mhz dual voltage version) with a Epox VIA Super 7 Board and Riva TNT card in 1998, and then in 1999 upgraded to a K6-2 450 which was another great processor. I later gave my father that computer and he used it for office work for many years. The prices for K6-2's was high but still much cheaper than a Pentium II. And the prices dropped quickly for them by 1999-2000 once the Athlon came out.
I had a AMD K6-2. It was 1998 till 2002. I liked it! But mine had 192 MB SD-RAM, a VooDoo II 12 MB and a GeForce 256. In this time I got 16 years. Now I'm 35. And actually I reactivate it now.
I had the K-6III+ 400. It had a 6x66 or a 4x100 multiplier settting. Of course 6x100 was an option. The K-6III adds a 256K full speed L2 cache. The K-6III + signifies a die shrink from .25micron to .18micron process. This was officially a laptop CPU. On Super7 MB the MB cache became L3 cache. Secret voltage jumper and BIOS settings were required. I ran it at stock speed with a Voodoo 5500. The MB was an FIC VA503+
I had this processor in 1999, I upgraded to it from a pentium 233mmx I can't remember what socket I had however I do remember around this time being absolutely obsessed with UT99 and the K6 handled that game without issue, Pretty certain I was rocking 1024 x 768 full screen play.
Well as a proud owner of a K6-2 450 laptop that I ... salvaged from my parent's basement only 2 days ago... I cant wait to try out some games on it , definitely Wolfenstein3D and the Original doom ... As a laptop with no dedicated gpu i dont think it would be a good Idea to try any games from the Quake era and getting games from the 386 era or earlier to work would be a bit too much of a hustle for a newbie like me ... but Im certainly gonna try at some point I wonder if I could run Fallout 1 & 2 on it ... oh Im definitely gonna try those !!! Also I wonder if I could upgrade the RAM on that laptop ... it definitely has that ability as there is a place clearly labeled "memory expansion" on its bottom , but I wonder if it would be worth it ... going from the 32 it has (28 system and 4 for vram) to 256 that windows 98 supports ... (then the bios would allow me to finally pick 8 for vram as well) also is there a limit to how much RAM you can use within DOS mode ?
Hi Phil! Thank you for your hard work and good ideas for Cpu tests and benchmarks! I have one k6 in my stock. I will give it a try... I didn't know that I could install it on my skt7 Mobo! An Happy New Year to you full of joy, money on your pocket and more subscribers!
Oh man...I had an K6-2 400 with a Creative Graphics Blaster TNT. Upgraded from a Pentium 133 with an S3 Virge DX, what a speedup. The K6-2 was my HalfLife machine.
i remember when the k6-2 400 came out..i had a system built around it..with a AGP card it was blazing fast (for the time) and ran all of my games on high settings..i loved that system
Just curious why you say the K6-2 400 is the fastest on regular socket 7 (when using 66mhz bus)? The non plus AMD K6-III 400 have the same compatibility with motherboards as the K6-2 and noticabily better performance.
I can give you at least one reason to pick the K6-2 over the K6-III on Socket 7 (not SS7), and that would be price. You can find a K6-2 400Mhz for about $15-$25, while a K6-III 400Mhz will cost you over $100.
As always great video. Never had one of these CPUs. When I had enough of my pentium 166, I upgraded to a pentium2 266 MHz and later to a pentium3 450MHz, both on an intel 440BX AGP 100MHz FSB motherboard. The intel FPU was quite better than the AMD one, and that was important for me since I played Quake a lot back then.
nice series of videos Phil! Its been so much time that Im not tu sure wich computers/upgrades I made... I remember going from a P60 to P90 then various Cyrix Mx86, then I went crazy and bought a P-PRO 200, slot 1 pentium 2 300, then a Slot-A Athlon, 1.3 Thunderbird s462, 2.6 Athlon xp and that was my last system with windows 98! Then a lot of socket 939 processors... wow this has been a very expensive "hobby"! shame I didn't try the K6!
Oh man, I had the K6-2 333. It was my first big upgrade to my very first PC my dad gifted me back in 2000 (originally a K6 166 with 32mb of RAM!). I remember overclocking that thing to 380mhz and feeling like a computing god (cut me some slack, I was like 13 at the time). I always felt the biggest improvement was actually from getting the FSB up to 95mhz though. Paired with a VooDoo 4 4500 AGP I was finally able to play such cutting-edge games as Quake III and Thief. Wild to think that less than a decade later I'd be building a quad-core machine with 8gb of DDR2 :o
I had a K6-2 550mhz for 7 years back in the late 90s and early 2000. my first computer ever. I still remember rocking games with a Voodoo3 2000 without a sweat. Good memories...
Awsome! When i found your channel a couple of days ago i sure got me in for a nostalgic trip. I had a K6-2 400MHz for many years. It whas in my third PC, but it whas my first brand new PC. It had some stability problems in stock speeds on my VIA Apollo based motherboard. But it whas rock solid with an jumper overclock to 450MHz. But damn it whas hot. Sadly it burned, and i replaced it with an Athlon Thunderbird 1400C.
Another thing - some classic games had patches so they could use AMD's 3D now Instructions. I dont know if they are still online anywhere. Keep up the great reviews!!
Has anybody play Quake ll with the AMD 3d now patch the colours , lighting and shadows are added to the game. Doesn't work on a intel chips, the game plays the same but looks more detail . Sin and Tomb Raider also have the 3d now patchs in those games the rocks and landscapes looks more in 3d not flat looking.
My first good PC had a AMD K6-2 450mhz cpu. Back in 1999 this Compaq had 64mb of ram, 10gb of hdd space and Windows 98 SE...damn it's crazy to see how far we've come.
the K6-2/500AFX is what I had, overclocked to 550 in the BIOS on a BabyAT SS7 board with 768MB of PC100. Ran 2000 for days on that thing back in 2008. also had it in a Lucky Star 5I-VX1C and 1E with a ROM.by modded BIOS. the 2x=6x multiplier trick in that one got it up to 462MHz and showed up as a "Chompers" CPU at POST. ran an FX5200 on that and had WinFLP running on it pretty slowly with only 128MB of RAM available to me when the BabyAT SS7 board died. those were the days.
I went from a Pentium 200MMX with a Rage 2+ to a K6-2 350 with Riva TNT. Which, in hindsight, was not such a good move because of the rather mixed performance gains of the processor - just adding the TNT to the old system and maybe trying a small overclock would have saved quite a bit of money for almost the same experience. but hey, i was 13 years old and this was the recommendation of the local hardware store.
I had a K6-2 350, raised Vcore to 2.4V and it worked great at 400. Intel's fastest was 450, but cost $800 more! I got a 500 a year or so later for $40.
How is it the fastest that was available? I myself owned an AMD K6-2 450MHz and also later on a 500 MHz. I was not aware of any changes to the Socket 7 motherboard. I ran it on a VIA Apollo chipset if I can remember correctly. I loved these chips. I started with a 300 and then went to the 450 as I mentioned above!
The K6-2+ and K6-IIIs were faster, but all those were *Super Socket 7* CPUs for *Super Socket 7* motherboards, with 100 MHz front-side bus and AGP graphics cards support. This video is about *Socket 7* motherboards, with 66 MHz front-side bus, and PCI video cards. Maybe you should have watched the whole video first before commenting, and making a fool out of yourself. 😉
It works in both. I had a socket 7 motherboard from Asus that only used EDO RAM (thus only a 66Mhz bus), and I maxed out that board with a K6-2 400Mhz. I tried to overclock it to 466Mhz, but I forget if it worked or not.
The first K6-2 processors would only work in Socket 7. If I recall correctly, Super 7 support did not become available until they introduced the 350 Mhz speed grade.
Great CPU this little K6-2. I own one since approx. early 1999 and still have it as a complete system stored away in the basement. I think it's on a ASUS P5K-B with 64MB of RAM and a 8 MB Matrox Marvel G400 card. Man those were the days. Gotta set it up again sometime. I'm curious if it still works, has the infamous IBM Deathstar HDD in it and is running Win 2k
I had a AMD K6-2 system, it was not a bad pc for its time for what I paid for to build it. That was my very first PC build and it went with out hitch, I even overclocked it at 450 MHZ
And here I had a K6-2 500 MHz. Granted, the K6-2 you are featuring was the fastest of the Chomper architechture, whereas many of those mentioned in the comments most likely had a Chomper Extended, like I did. But the Chomper Extended was also compatible with the 66 MHz FSB Socket 7, so... erhm...
This was the first time I saw Quake 2 running well with these graphics in Open GL which blew me away it was a 1998 Compaq Presario that now my sister has it in a closet or sold it which I truly miss I use to play GTA 2 in Dusk mode very well. Only Giants Citizens of Kabuto was the breaking limit for that processor
By the time CPUs were at 400 MHz most games were Windows, at least that's what I seem to remember and I was pretty big into PC games at that time. That's when I just started using Windows 98. I also thought ATI, Matrox, and companies like that were who most people were using for graphics. That's around first/second gen 3d cards.
I have a K6-2 450 in a normal Socket 7. Works just as well as the 400 in this review. I pair it with a Matrox Millenium and Voodoo 2. very compatible with most DOS and Win98 games
I'm looking at a 430TX board with 233 MMX, somewhat eyeballing this one as well. Although I would have some reservations about running an almost 20 year old ~2.2-2.4V chip in a 3.3V socket. How much extra heat might that create?
For these processors, is it like the newer stuff that needed copper? I noticed that every cooler I can find is aluminum. I'm asking because I just bagged one of these on ebay still in the shrinkwrap.
I just bought a Tekram P5M4-b with a Trident Blade 3D on board. This is what I could get here I Brasil. I have K6-2 500, Pentium S 120, CyrrixII 300 , S3 3D Path 4II Trio 64 4MB PCI, geforce 4000, 128MB, PCI. Trident Jato Blade 3D AGP. Mounting the machines right now!
Great retrospective. Many thanks for putting this together:) from the lan partys from this era that this was one of the hot setups! Although many guys instead of going slot 7 to super/s7 just skipped it to Slot 1. How would this k6 setup compare to say a slot Celly 300a o/ed to 450 on a abit BH6 or similar? IMHO was one the other popular gaming set ups from this era. Hey and what about Slockets! remember them lol? Looking forward to see where you go with this :) Cheers!
My K6-2 400, with a FSB of 100 Mhz, still sits in storage upstairs. OC'ed it to 450 Mhz (dipswitches!) and was equiped with a Diamond 2D graphics card and a Canopus Pure3D II. Unreal never looked better :-)
I know that at this point it's totally useless, but I'd like to see the performance of the K5 as well if you happen to have one around. Maybe the IDT WinChip or others?
Video in 2020 brought me here. I wonder what the price of this cpu was in 2000 as I am thinking I had a K6-2 cpu but that is 20 years ago and well my memory ... hahaha ... is fuzzy. Anyway thankful to be watching this video now. : ) Phil's Computer Lab rules! Now after saying that I am trying to remember when people would say that. LOL! Oh my memory!
My very 1st pc was pentium 120mhz and Asus p55t2p4 (intel 82430hx chipset, usb 1.1 support) with winfast 1mb pci and 32mb micron edo ram, 2gb quantum fireball hdd back in april 1997.Y2K upgraded it to k6-2 400 with 3dnow oc'ed to 500 with 12mb voodoo 2, boy that machine was gooood.
i have a computer with one of those, it was so great to use. i feel guilty that having it and not using it. it were my first usable computer. maybe i could try some improvements on the future.
My best system was a an Amd K62-400 on a super 7 motherboard. 100 mz times a 4x multiplier. Played all my old games well. It did need a driver to run. Also if an old game ran too fast, I ran a program called Slow Mo.
I had a 386sx which would play Wolfenstein 3d but Doom was very choppy. I then got an AMD 486 DX 100 which was able to play Doom great. Followed by the KX2-400 for Quake.
I have an Intel TX based board from AOpen that has an option for 83.33 Mhz FSB. Needless to say, it's quite speedy. Almost on par with VIA MPV3+, but the latter's support for UDMA 66, AGP 2x, and 768 MB RAM, put it over the top.
Great video again. Is there something with an IDT Winchip and/or Rise mP6 planned in the future? Apropos: How about a short benchmark video of Quake 2 with and without 3dnow Patch and how it is increasing the performance? Because back in the days 3dnow was a big game changer: xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/winchip-2.html
I made this as my first computer in 2000. I used this with a creative 3D voodoo banshee with 128 mb pc133 ram. I had a scsi barracuda 8GB 10,000 rpm hard drive.
It's what I had available. It just runs at 66 x 6 = 400 MHz :) Makes retro life quite easy. Later CPUs are multiplier locked which is a pain as you need to purchase a lot of chips, unless there is a way to unlock them.
it's a very nice processor , sadly I never had one for myself only a AMD K6-2 500mhz that I think suffered some damage as the original owner didn't notice that the CPU fan packed up, meaning the processor became really unstable :/
I think there should be a disclaimer on here about what type of VRMs are on a motherboard. I did this recently and killed a good Biostar M5ATC because the linear VRMs cooked from the high power draw of the K6-2. A K6-2 should only go into a motherboard that has switching VRMs. Easiest way to tell from what I've seen is if the VRM is on a heatsink, its linear. If its mounted flush with the motherboard, it's switching as it doesn't need the heatsink.
@@philscomputerlab yeah I'll never find one of those lol. Having a board do that low in voltage is another challenge, but they'd probably take 2.0 with good cooling :) By the way and I'm not saying you think this, but I wasn't insinuating that I did what was seen in this video and had the issue, I did what I did independently and saw this after the fact. Shame as it was a sweet little Aladdin IV+ board, which is one of my favourite chipsets
I thought it would be a K6, I used to have a K6-III 400mhz, which is fairly similar though it has a 100mhz FSB only, and has more cache (or specifically, it has its own onboard L2 cache, and uses the motherboard cache as L3). Its certainly fast in DOS and even pretty good with 2D Windows games, although for the heavier 3D games you obviously would want a Pentium III/Athlon. the fact that there is still some slowdown at 640X480 may well just be the relatively weak FPU , for Tomb Raider and Wing Commander that could certainly be an issue. I would also imagine that using a 3DFX card like a Banshee or Voodoo3 would help it too (Ive noticed they work very well with the K6)
One remark: the 400's 6x multiplier is mapped on the original 2x so it can't be run at 133MHz. With 60MHz FSB 150 is doable, though. Or did I miss something? I know that the mobile parts can change multiplier on the fly, but what about the desktop models?
had some ALi SS7 board , first it was housing a 166MMX overclocked to 240MHz stable.. and then i remember the day .. i made a call "do you still have the AMD 450?" (was the -III, so no prob running it at 550)... and it was a blast! few months later, i also replaced the S3 Savage with a AMD R7200 ViVo... WHOOAAA POWER OVERLOAD BRAIN EXPLODED :-D ...
yop.. was the 32MB DDR version... only because the 64SDR didnt had the ViVo funcionality.. remember till today that weird D3D thing with everything looked like drawn out of circles ... couldnt get rid of it till way way later.
K6-III+ 400 (6x66FSB too) next time? Would be interesting to see how this socket7 board limits the cpu (and the graphics card might also be bottleneck at 640x480)
Hmm, I just got an old socket 7 machine yesterday. It has an AMD K6-200 (oc'd to 233 by flipping a dip switch). Officially, this board does not support anything faster, but I wonder if a K6-2 would still work. Any idea?
Finding a bios update is going to be a chore. I may have found one...maybe. The label on the bottome says it's an Acer Aspire 5200LM, the bios I found is said to be compatible with it (from an Aspire 5166LR). Oh, and I just installed Win98SE, so there is that, at least.
Running DooM Time demos on my Socket 7 computer gets an average of 97.61FPS (91.79FPS for demo 1, 99.69FPS for demo 2, and 101.35FPS for demo 3) and that's with music and sound effects and without both sound effects and music, the average framerate is 104.24FPS (demo 1 rated at 99.25FPS, demo 2 rated at 107.52FPS, and demo 3 rated at 108.95FPS) and that's on a K6-2/300 CPU (66MHz FSB with the multiplier set to 4.5x) with an S3 Virge/VX with the VBE 2.0 driver running.
I have an AMD K6-2 300MHz CPU installed in my Socket 7 motherboard and I wish I had the SS7 board with an AMD K6-III+ CPU and AGP GPU since they say having more than 1 PCI card can bog down the PCI speed thus reducing framerates in games. Hell, I can run Pentium 2 games on my computer at great framerates, of course with a 3dfx VooDoo2 card installed. My S3 Virge/VX doesn't like the way I use the command nircmd setdisplay 640 480 8 and revert back to 1024x768@16-bit color with the command I listed in this comment. Maybe Windows doesn't like the command being used too much, but playing some games with my nVidia Hungry Force 4 MX4000 PCI card drops the framerates, which require setting the acceleration down to none or basic, but another game I have requires the Direct3D from the primary GPU to be used. Wish I had a VooDoo3 PCI card in place of the other cards.
I had one k6-2 500 with an Asus P5A-B motherboard. The motherboard was awesome. I wonder if someone will try that strange K6-3 processor thing from the end of the socket 7 era.
You should add Diablo to your game footage - it runs even on 486DX2 66MHz (I finished it multiple times back in 1996/7 on my trusty old pc), and there is a great deal of difference in walking speed of the character and level loading - it would be a nice way to show a difference between 486 / Pentium / AMD K6.
@@sedrosken831 The only issue I had was the slow walking speed, but it made for a much more atmospheric gameplay - the character would slowly walk his/her way through the dungeon - clearly being afraid of dangers that lurk behind the next door or corner. When I first saw gameplay on my friends Pentium 120 - it seemed so weird that the character would walk so unnaturally fast. Also the Pentium would have random periods of "loading" so during gameplay the action would suddenly slow down to a crawl for a few seconds, and then when the Pentium caught up, it would suddenly zip so fast you would think someone gave your character a kick to the ass - it was funny, but I never experienced that stuff on the 486. But this was only applicable to the single player - in multi player, the frames would be doubled - so that the speed was consistent with other players - but it would look like the character was jumping around the dungeon since it had to skip frames to caught up in speed. Fortunately, I only played single player.
I'd say that it's not such a big issue if the CPU is still struggling a bit with Tomb Raider and Screamer 2 @ 640*480 in software mode. There were 3Dfx patches for these games. I understand this is a CPU benchmark so the software rendering is the best way to measure its brute performance but in real life conditions you'd be using 3D acceleration. I had a Voodoo 1 with my 150mhz pentium and my pc was kicking the P200 and P233 MMX's asses in 3D games if they were runing games in software rendering, so a 400Mhz CPU like the K6-2 would totally rock with a 3D accelerator card.
Yes that is true. On the flipside however, not many other games supported the Voodoo card, like System Shock or Duke Nukem 3D. Here a fast CPU is still required.
i dont understand why you are considering this the fastest socket 7 CPU when the k62 came in much faster versions. If you want to get technical, the K6-2 366 was the fastest non super, socket 7 CPU
@Dalle Smalhals I can do math - what I am saying is the 400 was considered a super socket 7 cpu, not a socket 7 CPU. the 400mhz did not have a 66mhz fsb, but a 100..... so your math is irrelevant.
had a k6-2 in a crappy HP and even after adding a pci radeon 7000 card it was still slow, could barely play half life. not having an agp slot until the pentium 4 days was brutal.
The K6-2+ and K6-IIIs were faster, but all those were *Super Socket 7* CPUs for *Super Socket 7* motherboards, with 100 MHz front-side bus and AGP graphics cards support. This video is about *Socket 7* motherboards, with 66 MHz front-side bus, and PCI video cards. Maybe you should have watched the whole video first before commenting, and making a fool out of yourself. 😉
on my abit ab px5 (i430tx) with the last bios i only run my k6-2 at 333mhz in 366mhz the system is unstable. in this mother board i also use the pentium 200mhz and 200mhz mmx as for graphics card s3 virge dx 4mb(50ns) pci, permedia 2 8mb pci and geforce 2 mx 32mb pci.
My very first PC i built was the amd k6-2 400. Paired it with a Voodoo 3 2000 oc'd. This was a gigantic upgrade from the family Dell PC we had that only had a Pentium 166mhz with MX technology and like a 4mb Trident video card, lol. Man those were the days, nonstop many hours of HL, UT and Q3 on that machine. Those really were the glory days of PC gaming.
This was my first CPU! Had it overclocked to 550MHz and paired with a Voodoo 3 3000 PCI card
Dude, I learnt something new from you today: had no idea whatsoever that you can run K6-2 processors on a Socket 7 board. This is a complete game changer for me. Thank you Phil for making these videos.
No worries :) Do check the documentation of your motherboard though, often a BIOS update added that support as well.
Well, I have an AOpen AX59-Pro which is already running the latest BIOS, but I plan on making an ultimate K6 build on that.
I have an ABIT PH-5 (SIS Chipset) with an original manual, but it only mentions AMD K5, Cyrix 6x86 and Pentium 54C and 55C class processors in the manual and I can't find the 'latest' BIOS for it anywhere.
Then I've got some sort of Intel 430VX motherboard, I have no ideal what brand it is, or if it even works (I found it in the trash).
I also have a very rusty Acer Acentra Pentium 120 system that I bought from some guy's ex wife who was throwing his old stuff out. I've managed to download the manual for it, but it uses some proprietary BIOS with very limited controls. Its powered by an ALi chipset, which is always good. According to the manual it has multipliers 1.5-3, voltages from 2.5 to 2.9 (no hidden settings as far as I can see). The BIOS originally had a password lock on it, but I managed to remove it using a freeware tool.
For some reason, I have grown a liking to this ugly duckling and would like to do something like this with it.
I had a K6-2 400 with a Voodoo Banshee back then. Great combo!
ha, pretty much exactly what i was going to ask/say! nice.
zxz1997 I had a 400 with Voodoo3 2000 overclocked to 3000 speed.
VooDoo Banshee? It was not the baddest. But also not the best.
Had the same rig, dude :)
Had the same combo! June 1999 ;)
Great review. I had a K6-2 300 (100 mhz dual voltage version) with a Epox VIA Super 7 Board and Riva TNT card in 1998, and then in 1999 upgraded to a K6-2 450 which was another great processor. I later gave my father that computer and he used it for office work for many years. The prices for K6-2's was high but still much cheaper than a Pentium II. And the prices dropped quickly for them by 1999-2000 once the Athlon came out.
I had one of these with a voodoo 3 16meg card. I remember how amazing pc gaming was then. The good old days!
I had a AMD K6-2. It was 1998 till 2002. I liked it!
But mine had 192 MB SD-RAM, a VooDoo II 12 MB and a GeForce 256. In this time I got 16 years. Now I'm 35. And actually I reactivate it now.
Same 😂
I had the K-6III+ 400. It had a 6x66 or a 4x100 multiplier settting. Of course 6x100 was an option.
The K-6III adds a 256K full speed L2 cache. The K-6III + signifies a die shrink from .25micron to .18micron process.
This was officially a laptop CPU. On Super7 MB the MB cache became L3 cache. Secret voltage jumper and BIOS settings were required.
I ran it at stock speed with a Voodoo 5500. The MB was an FIC VA503+
I had this processor in 1999, I upgraded to it from a
pentium 233mmx I can't remember what socket I had however I do remember around this time being absolutely obsessed with UT99 and the K6 handled that game without issue, Pretty certain I was rocking 1024 x 768 full screen play.
Well as a proud owner of a K6-2 450 laptop that I ... salvaged from my parent's basement only 2 days ago...
I cant wait to try out some games on it , definitely Wolfenstein3D and the Original doom ...
As a laptop with no dedicated gpu i dont think it would be a good Idea to try any games from the Quake era and getting games from the 386 era or earlier to work would be a bit too much of a hustle for a newbie like me ... but Im certainly gonna try at some point
I wonder if I could run Fallout 1 & 2 on it ... oh Im definitely gonna try those !!!
Also I wonder if I could upgrade the RAM on that laptop ... it definitely has that ability as there is a place clearly labeled "memory expansion" on its bottom , but I wonder if it would be worth it ... going from the 32 it has (28 system and 4 for vram) to 256 that windows 98 supports ... (then the bios would allow me to finally pick 8 for vram as well) also is there a limit to how much RAM you can use within DOS mode ?
I had the 350 MHz version in an IBM prebuilt with 64MB of RAM and an ATI 3D Rage. Was our first family computer!
Opening with Wing Commander footage made my day!
Ahhh, 640x480 - the 4K of the 90’s :D When a game said it supported high-res graphics, that’s the resolution it was talking about :D
Hi Phil! Thank you for your hard work and good ideas for Cpu tests and benchmarks! I have one k6 in my stock. I will give it a try... I didn't know that I could install it on my skt7 Mobo! An Happy New Year to you full of joy, money on your pocket and more subscribers!
Oh man...I had an K6-2 400 with a Creative Graphics Blaster TNT.
Upgraded from a Pentium 133 with an S3 Virge DX, what a speedup.
The K6-2 was my HalfLife machine.
i remember when the k6-2 400 came out..i had a system built around it..with a AGP card it was blazing fast (for the time) and ran all of my games on high settings..i loved that system
Socket 7 platform is really good for Retro PC Gaming :)
@@philscomputerlab i remember running Mechwarrior 2 with everything on high and blowing my friends minds
Just curious why you say the K6-2 400 is the fastest on regular socket 7 (when using 66mhz bus)? The non plus AMD K6-III 400 have the same compatibility with motherboards as the K6-2 and noticabily better performance.
I can give you at least one reason to pick the K6-2 over the K6-III on Socket 7 (not SS7), and that would be price. You can find a K6-2 400Mhz for about $15-$25, while a K6-III 400Mhz will cost you over $100.
As always great video. Never had one of these CPUs. When I had enough of my pentium 166, I upgraded to a pentium2 266 MHz and later to a pentium3 450MHz, both on an intel 440BX AGP 100MHz FSB motherboard.
The intel FPU was quite better than the AMD one, and that was important for me since I played Quake a lot back then.
nice series of videos Phil! Its been so much time that Im not tu sure wich computers/upgrades I made... I remember going from a P60 to P90 then various Cyrix Mx86, then I went crazy and bought a P-PRO 200, slot 1 pentium 2 300, then a Slot-A Athlon, 1.3 Thunderbird s462, 2.6 Athlon xp and that was my last system with windows 98! Then a lot of socket 939 processors... wow this has been a very expensive "hobby"!
shame I didn't try the K6!
Oh man, I had the K6-2 333. It was my first big upgrade to my very first PC my dad gifted me back in 2000 (originally a K6 166 with 32mb of RAM!). I remember overclocking that thing to 380mhz and feeling like a computing god (cut me some slack, I was like 13 at the time). I always felt the biggest improvement was actually from getting the FSB up to 95mhz though. Paired with a VooDoo 4 4500 AGP I was finally able to play such cutting-edge games as Quake III and Thief. Wild to think that less than a decade later I'd be building a quad-core machine with 8gb of DDR2 :o
I had a K6-2 550mhz for 7 years back in the late 90s and early 2000. my first computer ever. I still remember rocking games with a Voodoo3 2000 without a sweat. Good memories...
Awsome!
When i found your channel a couple of days ago i sure got me in for a nostalgic trip.
I had a K6-2 400MHz for many years. It whas in my third PC, but it whas my first brand new PC. It had some stability problems in stock speeds on my VIA Apollo based motherboard. But it whas rock solid with an jumper overclock to 450MHz. But damn it whas hot. Sadly it burned, and i replaced it with an Athlon Thunderbird 1400C.
Another thing - some classic games had patches so they could use AMD's 3D now Instructions. I dont know if they are still online anywhere. Keep up the great reviews!!
Have you try amd 3d now patch in Quake ll what a difference in light , shadows and colours in the game play.
Has anybody play Quake ll with the AMD 3d now patch the colours , lighting and shadows are added to the game. Doesn't work on a intel chips, the game plays the same but looks more detail . Sin and Tomb Raider also have the 3d now patchs in those games the rocks and landscapes looks more in 3d not flat looking.
The AMD 3dNow patch to Quake 2 boosted 800x600 farme rates (witih Voodoo2) from 41 fps to 67 fps....
My first good PC had a AMD K6-2 450mhz cpu. Back in 1999 this Compaq had 64mb of ram, 10gb of hdd space and Windows 98 SE...damn it's crazy to see how far we've come.
My first good PC had a 40 MHz Am486DX running at 33 MHz. I ordered a 33 MHz system and they put a 40 MHz processor in it.
the K6-2/500AFX is what I had, overclocked to 550 in the BIOS on a BabyAT SS7 board with 768MB of PC100. Ran 2000 for days on that thing back in 2008.
also had it in a Lucky Star 5I-VX1C and 1E with a ROM.by modded BIOS. the 2x=6x multiplier trick in that one got it up to 462MHz and showed up as a "Chompers" CPU at POST. ran an FX5200 on that and had WinFLP running on it pretty slowly with only 128MB of RAM available to me when the BabyAT SS7 board died. those were the days.
Very interesting benchmarks. Great video again !
I went from a Pentium 200MMX with a Rage 2+ to a K6-2 350 with Riva TNT. Which, in hindsight, was not such a good move because of the rather mixed performance gains of the processor - just adding the TNT to the old system and maybe trying a small overclock would have saved quite a bit of money for almost the same experience. but hey, i was 13 years old and this was the recommendation of the local hardware store.
I had a K6-2 350, raised Vcore to 2.4V and it worked great at 400. Intel's fastest was 450, but cost $800 more! I got a 500 a year or so later for $40.
I'd be suspect of the ET6000 having a hard time dealing with 640x480. Probably by this point it is best to move to a TNT2
How is it the fastest that was available? I myself owned an AMD K6-2 450MHz and also later on a 500 MHz. I was not aware of any changes to the Socket 7 motherboard. I ran it on a VIA Apollo chipset if I can remember correctly. I loved these chips. I started with a 300 and then went to the 450 as I mentioned above!
66 MHz FSB mate.
The K6-2+ and K6-IIIs were faster, but all those were *Super Socket 7* CPUs for *Super Socket 7* motherboards, with 100 MHz front-side bus and AGP graphics cards support. This video is about *Socket 7* motherboards, with 66 MHz front-side bus, and PCI video cards. Maybe you should have watched the whole video first before commenting, and making a fool out of yourself. 😉
one thing i would like to see is the amd 3dnow explained and compared to other technolgies and the pros and cons and the latest one with 3dnow.
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I've got a AMD K6-2 500 MHz running in my old Gigabyte GA586-T2 Socket 7 motherboard at 450 MHz with 75 MHz FSB. Works fine for years now.
Nice didnt know the AMD K6-2 was for Socket 7 :) I only was think for super socket 7 :) I have a 333mhz
It works in both. I had a socket 7 motherboard from Asus that only used EDO RAM (thus only a 66Mhz bus), and I maxed out that board with a K6-2 400Mhz. I tried to overclock it to 466Mhz, but I forget if it worked or not.
The first K6-2 processors would only work in Socket 7. If I recall correctly, Super 7 support did not become available until they introduced the 350 Mhz speed grade.
Great CPU this little K6-2. I own one since approx. early 1999 and still have it as a complete system stored away in the basement. I think it's on a ASUS P5K-B with 64MB of RAM and a 8 MB Matrox Marvel G400 card. Man those were the days. Gotta set it up again sometime. I'm curious if it still works, has the infamous IBM Deathstar HDD in it and is running Win 2k
I had a AMD K6-2 system, it was not a bad pc for its time for what I paid for to build it. That was my very first PC build and it went with out hitch, I even overclocked it at 450 MHZ
add a voodoo1 to that k6/2 and enjoy half-life, sin, unreal, and tomb raider and screamer 2 in glide without a hitch :)
And here I had a K6-2 500 MHz.
Granted, the K6-2 you are featuring was the fastest of the Chomper architechture, whereas many of those mentioned in the comments most likely had a Chomper Extended, like I did.
But the Chomper Extended was also compatible with the 66 MHz FSB Socket 7, so... erhm...
This was the first time I saw Quake 2 running well with these graphics in Open GL which blew me away it was a 1998 Compaq Presario that now my sister has it in a closet or sold it which I truly miss I use to play GTA 2 in Dusk mode very well. Only Giants Citizens of Kabuto was the breaking limit for that processor
By the time CPUs were at 400 MHz most games were Windows, at least that's what I seem to remember and I was pretty big into PC games at that time. That's when I just started using Windows 98. I also thought ATI, Matrox, and companies like that were who most people were using for graphics. That's around first/second gen 3d cards.
I have a K6-2 450 in a normal Socket 7. Works just as well as the 400 in this review. I pair it with a Matrox Millenium and Voodoo 2. very compatible with most DOS and Win98 games
Best wing commander machine!
I used the K6-2 333 until 2010 :)
Age of Empires, Colin McRae Rally 1998, GT Porche, Lego Racer and many other funny games!
wow!! I used a p166 until 2003 :c
Looking forward to the Super Socket 7 vids :)
Do you plan on doing any Socket 8 videos?
I'm looking at a 430TX board with 233 MMX, somewhat eyeballing this one as well. Although I would have some reservations about running an almost 20 year old ~2.2-2.4V chip in a 3.3V socket. How much extra heat might that create?
For these processors, is it like the newer stuff that needed copper? I noticed that every cooler I can find is aluminum. I'm asking because I just bagged one of these on ebay still in the shrinkwrap.
Had a k6-2 300@500mhz. and a TNT 32mb. would love to have a laptop with 98se and dos today.
I just bought a Tekram P5M4-b with a Trident Blade 3D on board. This is what I could get here I Brasil. I have K6-2 500, Pentium S 120, CyrrixII 300 , S3 3D Path 4II Trio 64 4MB PCI, geforce 4000, 128MB, PCI. Trident Jato Blade 3D AGP. Mounting the machines right now!
Great retrospective. Many thanks for putting this together:) from the lan partys from this era that this was one of the hot setups! Although many guys instead of going slot 7 to super/s7 just skipped it to Slot 1. How would this k6 setup compare to say a slot Celly 300a o/ed to 450 on a abit BH6 or similar? IMHO was one the other popular gaming set ups from this era. Hey and what about Slockets! remember them lol? Looking forward to see where you go with this :) Cheers!
My K6-2 400, with a FSB of 100 Mhz, still sits in storage upstairs. OC'ed it to 450 Mhz (dipswitches!) and was equiped with a Diamond 2D graphics card and a Canopus Pure3D II. Unreal never looked better :-)
Unleash the beast! Do you still have it? Anyway hope it ended up finding it's way to being used again. I would kill to have my old hardware back.
@@DeViLzzz2006 it still works. Need to do a thorough installation: win95, voodoo2, HDD, SB awe64,...
@@DeViLzzz2006 the other beast is a dual slot 1 pentium 2-350, also with a voodoo2. Thé voodoo4 is ordered 😁
I know that at this point it's totally useless, but I'd like to see the performance of the K5 as well if you happen to have one around. Maybe the IDT WinChip or others?
I'm going to build a retro PC with this K6! What graphics card do you recommend?
Video in 2020 brought me here. I wonder what the price of this cpu was in 2000 as I am thinking I had a K6-2 cpu but that is 20 years ago and well my memory ... hahaha ... is fuzzy. Anyway thankful to be watching this video now. : ) Phil's Computer Lab rules! Now after saying that I am trying to remember when people would say that. LOL! Oh my memory!
amd k6-2 550 mhz was just £50 in 1999
My very 1st pc was pentium 120mhz and Asus p55t2p4 (intel 82430hx chipset, usb 1.1 support) with winfast 1mb pci and 32mb micron edo ram, 2gb quantum fireball hdd back in april 1997.Y2K upgraded it to k6-2 400 with 3dnow oc'ed to 500 with 12mb voodoo 2, boy that machine was gooood.
i have a computer with one of those, it was so great to use. i feel guilty that having it and not using it. it were my first usable computer. maybe i could try some improvements on the future.
My best system was a an Amd K62-400 on a super 7 motherboard. 100 mz times a 4x multiplier.
Played all my old games well.
It did need a driver to run. Also if an old game ran too fast, I ran a program called Slow Mo.
I had a 386sx which would play Wolfenstein 3d but Doom was very choppy.
I then got an AMD 486 DX 100 which was able to play Doom great. Followed by the KX2-400 for Quake.
I have an Intel TX based board from AOpen that has an option for 83.33 Mhz FSB. Needless to say, it's quite speedy. Almost on par with VIA MPV3+, but the latter's support for UDMA 66, AGP 2x, and 768 MB RAM, put it over the top.
Great video again. Is there something with an IDT Winchip and/or Rise mP6 planned in the future?
Apropos: How about a short benchmark video of Quake 2 with and without 3dnow Patch and how it is increasing the performance? Because back in the days 3dnow was a big game changer: xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/winchip-2.html
I made this as my first computer in 2000. I used this with a creative 3D voodoo banshee with 128 mb pc133 ram. I had a scsi barracuda 8GB 10,000 rpm hard drive.
Hey Phil, nice video, but what's up with the K6-2 550 cpu that appears in the video?
It's what I had available. It just runs at 66 x 6 = 400 MHz :) Makes retro life quite easy. Later CPUs are multiplier locked which is a pain as you need to purchase a lot of chips, unless there is a way to unlock them.
So, it's not really a review... :P
it's a very nice processor , sadly I never had one for myself only a AMD K6-2 500mhz that I think suffered some damage as the original owner didn't notice that the CPU fan packed up, meaning the processor became really unstable :/
i would say my AMD K-6 III 450 is the best ;D
No!!! only overclocked. On stock was better K6-2 550mhz
I think there should be a disclaimer on here about what type of VRMs are on a motherboard. I did this recently and killed a good Biostar M5ATC because the linear VRMs cooked from the high power draw of the K6-2. A K6-2 should only go into a motherboard that has switching VRMs. Easiest way to tell from what I've seen is if the VRM is on a heatsink, its linear. If its mounted flush with the motherboard, it's switching as it doesn't need the heatsink.
Look out for the K6-III+ with 1.6V, it's my favourite K6 CPU :)
@@philscomputerlab yeah I'll never find one of those lol. Having a board do that low in voltage is another challenge, but they'd probably take 2.0 with good cooling :)
By the way and I'm not saying you think this, but I wasn't insinuating that I did what was seen in this video and had the issue, I did what I did independently and saw this after the fact. Shame as it was a sweet little Aladdin IV+ board, which is one of my favourite chipsets
I have k6-2 500mhz but on SS7 :) Very very good. I am hunting for K62+ with level 2 cache to support 768Mb on my p5a-b mb.
I thought it would be a K6, I used to have a K6-III 400mhz, which is fairly similar though it has a 100mhz FSB only, and has more cache (or specifically, it has its own onboard L2 cache, and uses the motherboard cache as L3).
Its certainly fast in DOS and even pretty good with 2D Windows games, although for the heavier 3D games you obviously would want a Pentium III/Athlon.
the fact that there is still some slowdown at 640X480 may well just be the relatively weak FPU , for Tomb Raider and Wing Commander that could certainly be an issue. I would also imagine that using a 3DFX card like a Banshee or Voodoo3 would help it too (Ive noticed they work very well with the K6)
One remark: the 400's 6x multiplier is mapped on the original 2x so it can't be run at 133MHz. With 60MHz FSB 150 is doable, though. Or did I miss something? I know that the mobile parts can change multiplier on the fly, but what about the desktop models?
Ah yes, I mixed it up with the K6-2+, which maps 2.5x to 2x.
This 2.5x->2x thing is new to me. I'll try it with my K6-2+ - if I don't forget.
Alvaro Acwellan Yea it get's quite confusing with the different models :) Like the Pentium can do 1.5, but the MMX can't or something like that :P
had some ALi SS7 board , first it was housing a 166MMX overclocked to 240MHz stable.. and then i remember the day .. i made a call "do you still have the AMD 450?" (was the -III, so no prob running it at 550)... and it was a blast! few months later, i also replaced the S3 Savage with a AMD R7200 ViVo... WHOOAAA POWER OVERLOAD BRAIN EXPLODED :-D ...
Nice! The Radeon 7200. I've got the SDR version, been chasing the DDR version of that card, but no luck yet :)
yop.. was the 32MB DDR version... only because the 64SDR didnt had the ViVo funcionality.. remember till today that weird D3D thing with everything looked like drawn out of circles ... couldnt get rid of it till way way later.
I went from a Pentium 166 MMX to a AMD K6-2 433 to a AMD K6-III+ 550 MHz.
The first PC my dad bought for my little bro and I.
AMD k-6 2 550 mhz was my very first self bought cpu to my pc, i accidentally jumper it to 600 mhz but that didn't run stable. god memories thou
I had a K6-3/450.....1 MB L3 cache, huge at the time
First gaming CPU I had, with a Voodoo Banshee. Ah the memories. Pretty sure it was on a 100mhz FSB
Were you having sound card/capture issues when you made this video?
no u
K6-III+ 400 (6x66FSB too) next time? Would be interesting to see how this socket7 board limits the cpu (and the graphics card might also be bottleneck at 640x480)
I like your thinking. Be assured, I read EVERY comment and pay close attention. My finger is on the pulse so to speak :P
Hmm, I just got an old socket 7 machine yesterday. It has an AMD K6-200 (oc'd to 233 by flipping a dip switch). Officially, this board does not support anything faster, but I wonder if a K6-2 would still work. Any idea?
Tricky. If you can find a BIOS update? Also there should be faster K6 available.
Finding a bios update is going to be a chore. I may have found one...maybe. The label on the bottome says it's an Acer Aspire 5200LM, the bios I found is said to be compatible with it (from an Aspire 5166LR). Oh, and I just installed Win98SE, so there is that, at least.
Running DooM Time demos on my Socket 7 computer gets an average of 97.61FPS (91.79FPS for demo 1, 99.69FPS for demo 2, and 101.35FPS for demo 3) and that's with music and sound effects and without both sound effects and music, the average framerate is 104.24FPS (demo 1 rated at 99.25FPS, demo 2 rated at 107.52FPS, and demo 3 rated at 108.95FPS) and that's on a K6-2/300 CPU (66MHz FSB with the multiplier set to 4.5x) with an S3 Virge/VX with the VBE 2.0 driver running.
I have an AMD K6-2 300MHz CPU installed in my Socket 7 motherboard and I wish I had the SS7 board with an AMD K6-III+ CPU and AGP GPU since they say having more than 1 PCI card can bog down the PCI speed thus reducing framerates in games. Hell, I can run Pentium 2 games on my computer at great framerates, of course with a 3dfx VooDoo2 card installed. My S3 Virge/VX doesn't like the way I use the command nircmd setdisplay 640 480 8 and revert back to 1024x768@16-bit color with the command I listed in this comment. Maybe Windows doesn't like the command being used too much, but playing some games with my nVidia Hungry Force 4 MX4000 PCI card drops the framerates, which require setting the acceleration down to none or basic, but another game I have requires the Direct3D from the primary GPU to be used. Wish I had a VooDoo3 PCI card in place of the other cards.
Would like to see the beast K6 CPU's compared: the 570 K2+ and the 450 KIII+ (or the 500/550 if you can find one).
I had one k6-2 500 with an Asus P5A-B motherboard. The motherboard was awesome. I wonder if someone will try that strange K6-3 processor thing from the end of the socket 7 era.
would this cpu and a socket 7 mother board be a good combo with a voodoo 3 agp
I think 2.8v is a bit too much my MB only supports this voltage as lowest possible :(
You should add Diablo to your game footage - it runs even on 486DX2 66MHz (I finished it multiple times back in 1996/7 on my trusty old pc), and there is a great deal of difference in walking speed of the character and level loading - it would be a nice way to show a difference between 486 / Pentium / AMD K6.
I found that the only way to get it to run playably on even my Am5x86-133 was to turn the sound off.
@@sedrosken831 The only issue I had was the slow walking speed, but it made for a much more atmospheric gameplay - the character would slowly walk his/her way through the dungeon - clearly being afraid of dangers that lurk behind the next door or corner. When I first saw gameplay on my friends Pentium 120 - it seemed so weird that the character would walk so unnaturally fast. Also the Pentium would have random periods of "loading" so during gameplay the action would suddenly slow down to a crawl for a few seconds, and then when the Pentium caught up, it would suddenly zip so fast you would think someone gave your character a kick to the ass - it was funny, but I never experienced that stuff on the 486. But this was only applicable to the single player - in multi player, the frames would be doubled - so that the speed was consistent with other players - but it would look like the character was jumping around the dungeon since it had to skip frames to caught up in speed. Fortunately, I only played single player.
I'd say that it's not such a big issue if the CPU is still struggling a bit with Tomb Raider and Screamer 2 @ 640*480 in software mode. There were 3Dfx patches for these games. I understand this is a CPU benchmark so the software rendering is the best way to measure its brute performance but in real life conditions you'd be using 3D acceleration. I had a Voodoo 1 with my 150mhz pentium and my pc was kicking the P200 and P233 MMX's asses in 3D games if they were runing games in software rendering, so a 400Mhz CPU like the K6-2 would totally rock with a 3D accelerator card.
Yes that is true. On the flipside however, not many other games supported the Voodoo card, like System Shock or Duke Nukem 3D. Here a fast CPU is still required.
My first CPU, RAM-32 MB, HDD-8.6 GB, AGP-8 MB.
I wanna buy one of these to make a windows 98 era kinda gaming pc they look pretty good for what they are
i dont understand why you are considering this the fastest socket 7 CPU when the k62 came in much faster versions. If you want to get technical, the K6-2 366 was the fastest non super, socket 7 CPU
@Dalle Smalhals I can do math - what I am saying is the 400 was considered a super socket 7 cpu, not a socket 7 CPU. the 400mhz did not have a 66mhz fsb, but a 100..... so your math is irrelevant.
Although, according to cpu world, the 400mhz version came with either a 66 or a 100mhz fsb. Wikipedia does not specify, however.
@Dalle Smalhals no actually
had a k6-2 in a crappy HP and even after adding a pci radeon 7000 card it was still slow, could barely play half life. not having an agp slot until the pentium 4 days was brutal.
It should run better with higher FSB, even if underclocked.
K6-2 (Chomper Extended (CXT), 250 nm)[edit]
Package number: 26351
CPUID: Family 5, Model 8, Stepping 12
L1-Cache: 32 + 32 KiB (Data + Instructions)
MMX, 3DNow!
Super Socket 7
Front side bus: 66, 95, 97, 100 MHz
VCore: 2.0(mobile)/2.2/2.3/2.4V
First release: November 16, 1998
Manufacturing process: 0.25 µm
Clockrate: 266, 300, 333, 350, 366, 380, 400, 427.5, 450, 475, 500, 533 & 550 MHz
Max released clock speed was 570/95 bus.
The K6-2+ and K6-IIIs were faster, but all those were *Super Socket 7* CPUs for *Super Socket 7* motherboards, with 100 MHz front-side bus and AGP graphics cards support. This video is about *Socket 7* motherboards, with 66 MHz front-side bus, and PCI video cards. Maybe you should have watched the whole video first before commenting, and making a fool out of yourself. 😉
K6-III was sometimes much faster than K6-2. I remember it was only Socket7 CPU which could play DivX movies in DVD resolutions.
Today I found a working super socket 7 mainboard with a K6-II 400 MHz and 64 MB of SD ram installed in the trash.
You can run the 400 at 450 max, but expect crashes!
this cpu came out the week i was born
i had one of these running xp and played thps 2 on it
i had some kind of ati card cant remember cause i was like 11 lol
According to Wikipedia, the K6-3 supports Socket 7 and goes up to 450 MHz, wouldn't that be the fastest Socket 7 CPU?
thats a super socket 7 which runs on a 100mhz bus meaning it can use 100mhz memory
on my abit ab px5 (i430tx) with the last bios i only run my k6-2 at 333mhz in 366mhz the system is unstable.
in this mother board i also use the pentium 200mhz and 200mhz mmx as for graphics card s3 virge dx 4mb(50ns) pci, permedia 2 8mb pci and geforce 2 mx 32mb pci.
Remember MMX and 3D Now!
Hey, are you Phil from PhilsComputerLab? Just wondering.
ALL HAIL ETERNAL GLORY AMD
fastest socket 7? But I had a K62-500....
That's Super Socket 7 with 100 MHz FSB :)
PhilsComputerLab Oh, oh. I see the angle. The distinction was lost to my fading memory ;)