This is the first card I ever had and replacing it with a Radeon 9800 so I could run KOTOR was what got me interested in hardware and PC building. I still have both the 128 Pro and 9800 in their boxes somewhere. Familiarity with ATI/AMD and my extreme laziness, which meant to not wanting to get used to Nvidia software, are why I've been team red for 20 years. Now I stick with AMD for their (IMO) better business practices and more open source approach, but like most fanboys on either side, I'd be lying if I said I had chosen my preferred brand based on logic and testing. Now I have the information to justify why I stick with AMD, but in reality I just kept with the brand that my 15 year old self found in my mom's late 90's/Y2K era desktop.
A Radeon 9800 Pro, was my first ATI GPU, before that I was Nvidia only, let me tell you, it was a eye opening moment for me, not because the GPU was bad but how good it was compared to what I really imagined.
I had an ATI Rage Pro 128 and upgraded to an STB Velocity 4400... straight up the Rage 128 had more consistent frame times and was a nicer playing experience.
The first time I saw Quake II on a Rage 128 Pro card I was completely blown away. I love this retro geek stuff. Great job on the review and thanks for doing it.
The ATi Rage 128 is just a re-branded Tseng Labs ET6300. It's the last and fastest Tseng! Tseng was purchased by ATi in 1997. Their 3D graphics card, the ET6300, was released as the Rage 128 after the purchase.
The All in Wonder was such a great card. It was so easy to transfer camcorder video to the computer, to save for posterity & edit. If you had a super VHS camcorder, you could import high quality videos, edit them, then transfer them back to a super VHS VCR. You could also take VCR tapes & convert them into a shareable format, though UA-cam was pretty new at the time. As far as gaming performance, it was never it's strong point & let's just say I had a computer I used for multimedia stuff & another for more serious stuff & games. It was a bit disappointing, since I probably spent the most time on the multimedia PC. It was handy being able to watch TV on my desktop while I worked. My first All In Wonder was a Rage II based card, and it was never really known for its 3d acceleration prowess. It was pretty slow, compared to the newer chipsets out there. All that changed with the All in Wonder Rage 128. For the first time, I could do everything on one machine, if I so chose. It also left my other machine open for LAN parties & competitive Descent. (1, 2 & 3)
These videos are awesome. I wasn't quite able to do much with computers, let alone read what they said back when these cards were released, but I'm fond of old tech and this is a cool look back into what PCs were capable of before.
They were a solid card. Certain office brand PC's had a habit of including Rage128 cards with their systems, so we came into many back in the day. I remember testing a Rage 128 Ultra one time just out of curiosity as to how it stacked up and it played GP 500 amazingly well in 1024x768 32 bit colour. I mean it wasn't perfect, but it was playable and looked really nice.
Just a thing to keep in mind when running games in 32-bit on ATI games of the time, they actually run the z-buffer in 16-bit (not 100% sure it's the z-buffer, but they do get their boost because they still run some operations in 16-bit). Anyway, if my memory is correct, they were not competitive in 3D until they released Radeon cards.
Yes you're right, thanks for setting the record straight! I wasn't aware of this setting, it is called something along the lines "convert 32 bit textures to 16" and boosts performance, but doesn't look as nice. Unfortunately I used those settings. However, all the "new" videos and results I have changed this. So the videos with the GeForce 256 and anything in the future will have the correct 32 bit quality :)
Man, this video threw me back in time. I used to have this exact card back in the day, upgraded from a 16MB Vanta, and the thing felt like lightening in comparison, the VIVO functionality was great, as we could all sit and watch movies on our CRT TV which was vastly superior to the monitor i had (15'' Compaq) :D
i had this gpu, ati rage rage 128 fury 32mb, non pro, it was great, yes 16bit always sucked, but 32bit wow. it ran even max payne 1, nfs porshe, with a good cpu it was a monster
I had the 16 bit, it somehow ran gta san andreas (64 bit min.) sometimes little buggy, vice city with ease which requires 32 bit card minimum, dunno what was going on then. .......... darrn i wasted precious hours of my life on that, then again, at least not wasting that of other's on here. So enough of this bye. Ps Switched to more mature (i like to think so) titles, like golf, or brain deteriation repression training (something like that, don't quite remember). Anywho, bye.
@@Geert365 you must be crazy. i tried to run san andreas on a rage 128 pro agp and it was basically unplayable at lowest settings. i had to switch it with the 7000 or 7500 64mb in my other computer, i'm not smart enough to remember what that shitty GPU was. 64mb was the minimum for that game. edit: jumping out of the plane was the spot that was unpassable with the ati rage 128 pro because of the extreme lag. jumping out to the plane graveyard... san andreas is a very poorly optimized game though. it could have done alot better on older hardware but rockstar was a greedy corporation and put profit over optimization.
May be one of these days i will give it a go, was getting the old boy up and running again, see if i remembered it wrong then may be, but pretty sure , would a dual core with 8800 gt run it choppy at times, only other pc i used here. Real world priorities though, so no time soon (not that i think you , or anyone are anxiously awaiting any outcome of that). Quit gta, it's really about making money, like you said, and can really disrupt peoples lives i think, unless you are pretty well grounded on your feet. That discussion goes back to the eighties and movies (probably before that), gonna not touch that subject matter any further.
I have an All-in-Wonder 128 pro. I actually like the image quality on this card more than on Voodoo2/3 cards :). It even supports tri-linear filtering, and the performance hit from using 32bpp isn't that bad.
I bought an ATI Rage 128 Pro 32mb PCI off ebay for $7 shipped because of this video, along with another $7.50 512mb SDRAM for a Pentium III workstation my uncle left me. It will be my first "retro build."
I have several of these in PCI and AGP format. They are the perfect cards for upgrading old systems to play DVDs without ANY lag. Gaming is average/mediocre at best but still good enough. I use them mainly in Pentium III's and the like.
my first pc had a Ati all-in-wonder (rage 128), it was absolutely fantastic for the day. even having a small window overlay with live TV whilst playing a game or recording a program. it wasn't without its faults or quirks but on the whole did a good job and played many games for the time more than adequately with few driver issues.
Phil you are a legend mate. I had no issues with the dvd player set to region 2 and away it went with nice play back. I'm using the xpert 2000 agp which is a variant based on the rage 128 chip.
Your video's have inspired me to purchase some older parts to play my old DOS/Win98 games again. Have picked up a P4 2.8GHz, 256MB RAM, GeForce FX5500. Just trying to hunt down a cheap Vortex 2 card :)
My first ever gaming pc: K6-2/350 and a 32mb Rage 128 Pro. Upgraded to it just in time for Everquest to come out and it played that game for thousands of hours. Plus the OpenGL? Glide? (I fogot) support in Quake was pretty darn good as far as I can remember.
Glide was 3dfx, OpenGL were the rest, ati ogl drivers sucked hard for years, but stull they worked fine for the quake3 era, but in 2000- 2008 they were lame
Yes it's quite a good card, had great price per performance and a decent image quality for the time. Plus it also had a very clean open source driver support for Linux/mesa-3d and Amigaos/warp3d... good times
I still have my ATI Rage 128 Ultra AGP. It's great for late 90s gaming. Mine came with my very first PC in late 2001. Unfortunately I didn't get much mileage out of it in terms of early-mid 00s gaming, for obvious reasons.
My high school had these in their Dell PCs which were used for C++ and CAD/ Drafting classes and these cards were quite good when we did CAD work. Sadly they were locked down so much that we couldn't do much else with the PC which meant games and videos were out of the question. On occasion we would have internet access but still heavily restricted...
The ATI Theater chip was AMAZING. It was highly praised as a capture device in its day. The Theater 200 improved on this an was a very affordable option for recording svideo. You had to buy Matrox level equipment to get better capture. In fact I have a whole setup based on a P4 and a 850 XTPE that I use to record old VHS footage.
Ive actually got one of these Rage 128 cards with 32mb of VRAM , The performance isn't too bad and the image quality is good (not quite to Matrox standards, but good). The main flaw of course is that , like the Nvidia , its somewhat generic, since there is no support for Glide or something unique like EMBM or S3 Compressed textures. in my mind the ideal setup for this card would be to have it run alongside a Voodoo2 SLI setup . You can have the V2 for Glide and sheer speed in 16bit colour games, and the Rage 128 can act as the main card for games that benefit from 32bit colour or the higher amounts of VRAM (the image quality and overall DOS performance makes it suitable too)
Great video as always Phil, but the Moiré pattern is very prominent in nearly the entire video, although from 20:04 onward the Moiré pattern seems completely gone. I thought that was only an issue when you film an old CRT monitor with a cheap digital camera, but here you're using an LCD all the time. I found that little strange because LCD's usually have a default refresh rate of 60 Hz and use a completely different digital technology.
I really like the older ATI cards, my Pentium 3 setup has an All-In-Wonder Radeon 8500 128mb, and it has some pretty good multimedia functions like a tv tuner, ect.
nice and interesting video, like all you upload to this channel :D (sorry by my bad english LOL), you make me want to continue my project of building a P1 88Mhz pc with DOS
I always wondered what the differences between the different cards with Rage128 chipsets were. I recently bought an "ATI Xpert2000 Pro Ultra 32M" For some reason none of the drivers from the AMD site worked. I needed to force it to install a driver called "ATI Rage Fury Pro / Xpert2000 Pro" out of said AMD driver using infs. Works fine though.
19:00 it depended on the receiving tv, what signal you could output. i remember it on my rage 128, because i used to subtitle anime to german and output it to my tv and vcr. and because only few anime i had were pal i had to switch it often to ntsc, which worked.
I used to love ATI cards back in the day - although I never used one of this specific generation (I was running S3 cards on my K6/K6-2 builds), I upgraded a Geforce 2Ti with a Radeon 8500 on my AthlonXP and was immediately amazed by how much sharper and clearer the picture was (this was a time when nVidia still had crappy picture quality, which went away with the GeForce4 series). That said, the Rage128Pro is an utter mess - it's not really the performances (which are a bit of a letdown) but the fact there existed a bazillion cheap&crap version of this card, mostly peddled on office-grade builds, which makes it nigh-on-impossible to actually find a good one with the promised 128-bit bus. I have probably 5 or 6 of these, all marked differently (Rage 128, Rage 128Pro, Rage128Ultra etc), with visibly different PCBs (some are the famous "L" shaped, some square and red or green) and they ALL are 64-bit, all with the exact same (bad) performances. One of them is a Gigabyte GV-AG32S, which on the Gigabyte website shows as specification of 128-bit...and it's 64-bit, same exact performances as the basic "L" shape cards extracted from some 2000 MS-Word machine. So yeah, if you're building a retro-machine of this era, I wouldn't bother with this card, unfortunately :/
help. I'm looking for an ISA or PCI display card that supports composite mono monitor. I tried VGA to composite converter, text are blurry and dark. but if I run something in QBasic with Screen 8, the text is sharp and clear
My retro ATI card of choice would be the Radeon 9000/9200. But that might be because I used one of those as my main gaming card for a while back then. :) Anyways, should be faster than the Rage, have better D3D/OGL compatibility, and yet still fully passive cooling.
As 9200 is the card I stuck with for the most years of owning a computer, I can simpathise, but after switching to 9700 on one of my AMD rigs and testing it out, I liked it more for the sheer power it produces in 1997.-2006. oriented gaming - its fast, rock-solid, colder than most 9200's and easily obtainable.
Recently tested the card and would advice against using the latest drivers as I had visual glitches in Quake II and Half-Life (texture flicker). Tried 6XXX drivers and the glitches were gone. Even got better performance by few frames.
I have the All in Wonder version well because I desired the TV tuner and recording functionality for recording TV shows and making video CD's (or DVD's) of them.
I was actually going to buy one recently (along with a Voodo2) and do a build. But since I salvaged a working (and good as new with SLI cable) Diamond Monster 3D II+Diamond Viper V550 from a computer that was going to get scrapped I ended up not going with it.
Have you checked gpu/memory clocks on your card? ATI claimed 140/160 for Pro version. I've seen only 112/125 and 125/143 variants. Fully fledged version come up only in some early reviews on the internet.
I recognized that Audigy card instantly, before he mentioned it. I got that thing the day it came out for sale.....it took way longer than installing an OS from scratch. Why is that?
My iMac G3 has a 128 Pro, and for the machine it is a GREAT card. You have to understand this is a 400 something mhz PPC (Slower than a similarly clocked Pentium, by a lot), but it rocks games like quake just fine. It's a great machine for older games and 68k emulation on OS9 is pretty decent.
Oh, and to add, DVD playback is also flaky HARDWARE on the Mac. It has a DVD drive, but a new disc like the Titanic it stumbles and just jumps ahead more than a reasonable skip would often.
PhilsComputerLab Honestly they are very similar to PCs of the day, especially some of the earlier power macs. They use Power PC, which is a RISC based CPU (Meaning while the IPS per clock is better than a CISC machine, the amount of work an instruction can do is severely reduced. So going from MIPS to MIPS count on a PPC to a Pentium, a Pentium will easily smoke it, and CISC based CPUs have really caught up to RISC to the point where there is no competition) over x86 CISC, but they still had PCI, (Idk if they had AGP) and some of the later G5s even had PCI-E support. I suggest you toy around with mac gaming, and check our Druaga1's content, he has a lot of mac stuff, and even LGR has some content. I suggest for retro Power Macintosh gaming you either go with a G3 box, or an iMac G3 Summer 2000 DV+ model (I have it). The G3 box has more expansion options, but the iMac may be easier to find, and it is a great all round machine. For 68k Gaming, check out what the latest one is, I think it was a performa of some sort. They aren't fast and are on the levels of 386s on clock for clock. For older Power Macintosh gaming, get one of the dual CPU (I think dual core even on top of that) G5 towers. Very loud, but they are as good as a power mac will get. Emulation IS an option, but not a very good one in my opinion. If you need any more info I definitely have one, or check our Druaga1, or LGR's content. I am currently on your Matrox G400 and I have yet to find a video I disliked. If you ever need help I do have some resources, I am currently cobbling together a DX4-100 @120 machine, that is pretty period accurate down, even though it's a tad OP.
i have one of these cards laying around. it is the pci version. im going to put it in a board with an amd k2 475mhz. not sure if i will have any issues but that the fun part.
If anyone is looking for a good retro card, this one is good. I had it since 99-2006 and played a lot. Not a single issue, all games had every 3d feature correctly (unlike shit s3 Matrox etc), 32bit was awesome, svideo to composite allowed 1024*768 output, dvd playback on the gpu, 32mb was over the average. The only bad thing was the 16bit performance at first, the tnt2 is faster overall and the voodoo3 could be another great option but only 16bit and 16mb lol. Games i played: max payne, ff7-8, epsxe emulator, quake 2, every tomb raider 1-5, drakan, soldier of fortune, forsaken, nfs 2,3,4,5. Even gta vice city (ultra slow, but i had a shit celeron 333-400 lol, darkstone, quake 3, ut99, mdk 1 2. Ati always has crap drivers at first then they mature a lot, the drivers were 12mb. It was awesome in winme xp. Love this gpu, i wish stupid me never had sold it for pennies
I'm trying to see if anyone has seen this same issue, I have 2 different ATi Rage 128 Pro cards, both of them crash the whole system when trying to use composite in, ASUS P5A with AMD K6-III 450, 512 MB RAM, tried with both Sound Blaster Live! and Audigy 2ZS installed as well, plus an ASUS NX1101 1Gbps NIC
There are indeed all sorts of version. I looked around quite a bit, in the end I payed a premium to get this card. It seems to be an early version with all the features included.
I still have one in my closet (I'm 16 years old and I have used a system with this gpu in it shortly before the pentium III in it died and believe me, beautiful experience in older games).
By the way, Did you by any chance got to test this card on vanilla quake minigl v0.98 and Starseige? I was contemplating on getting one for the Pentium 3 computer I'm building but I don't know how well the driver preforms on older and more obscure games.
I just googled starseige demo and came across this cnet download page but I usually don't download anything from cnet There must a better place to get it... download.cnet.com/Starsiege-demo/3000-2115_4-10016803.html
Ok the demo runs fine! I read the readme file, it mentions that the OpenGL option is for Nvidia card. But it also has an option for other and 3dfx. It recommends setting the colors to 16 bit, which I did. I took a photo of the game running: i.imgur.com/jps9ASH.jpg
AFAIK it's identical, maybe a tiny bit slower or faster. And amongst them are different clocks as well, they are all over the place, ATI really let everyone do whatever they wanted with clocks.
I want to build a Retro-build PC to play old PC games....What do you recommend for a PC that can run Windows-311/NT351/NT40/Win95/Win98se/Windows-ME. I just want to build one PC to be able to install all of those operating systems on via compact flash drives and play games at a reasonable performance. Should I get a Pentium or Pentium-2 or Pentium-3 or Pentium-4 ?.....Which CPU and Motherboard do you recommend and what graphics card and what sound card?....What amount of memory do I need for best performance?..128/256/512/768/1gb. ?..
That's a loaded question and requires pages to answer properly. I really recommend you research a bit more online, I'm happy to answer more specific questions :)
I fucking hated owning an old computer with this graphics card in the 2000s. I mean, yeah, it could play UT99, but nothing more advanced. I would run whatever XPlane was current back then at like 5 FPS.
hey Phil, im waiting on some parts to come in for my main project, started messing with another, going to use my rage 128 pro, its the exact card you used in this video, im trying to install mmc but the capture option isn't installing, i really want to be able to connect my sega genesis to my pc and capture from it, can you share the exact driver and mmc you used in this video ?
PhilsComputerLab I have installed those from amd site and the MMC from the private ftp, it installs but doesn't install the capture option, I'm not sure what's wrong
has anyone got this card to run Shadow Warrior, i have tons of cards to use, ive tried other cards with shadow warrior but i get massive fps drops around water. but it runs duke3d fine.
Is this the 32MB version of this card? I have the 16MB version and it's not doing a great job or maybe I pushed it too hard. the specs of mine: ATI Rage Fury Pro/Xpert 2000 Pro 16MB SDR GPU Clock: 120Mhz 64-bit bus VRAM 120Mhz 960 MB/s
@@philscomputerlab Ah yeah, seems like I picked the older version. I didn't even know there were multiple versions of the same card! I mainly tested the card with NFS Porsche, it was still good enough, game was playable but I think I was comparing it with your video and few others I saw haha.
@@RootiferasRetroGameplay That specific game I'm not very familiar to be honest. If you want something faster, on a budget, look for a 9000 series card or a 7200 which is a rebranded Radeon AFAIK.
I used to have one of this kind of card. I always felt it was a bit of an underdog. While it worked well for the most part but it was never a stellar performer and there were certain games like Mechwarrior 2 and 3 that just would not work.
Confusing to say the least. What are the Xpert 2000 Pro and Rage Fury Pro cards? What are the clocks for the GPU? Is this the fastest single GPU Rage 128 Pro card? I saw this on wilipedia: "Rage 128 Pro Later, ATI developed a successor to the original Rage 128, called the Rage 128 Pro. This chip carried several enhancements, including an enhanced triangle setup engine that doubled geometry throughput to eight million triangles/s, better texture filtering, DirectX 6.0 texture compression, AGP 4×, DVI support, and a Rage Theater chip for composite and S-Video TV-in. This chip was used on the gamer-oriented Rage Fury Pro boards and the business-oriented Xpert 2000 PRO" link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_Rage I think your card is the Xpert 2000 Pro and not a Rage Fury Pro. The question is. Is the Rage Fury Pro card, faster?
When playing a dvd you had trouble getting it to work I noticed the old look to the buttons on right of the screen those are the original drivers and software later ATI released updates ver. 5 and so on it had a polished look to the interface brushed steel and back then ATI often had trouble with drivers and software issues that were later fixed in updates I did video capture on a Radion 8500 and later 9000 card converting all my home movies from VHS to CD-R in VCD format I recall test recording many different formats to encode for the best HQ playback it was tedious process but necessary for a noob to it when I was done some months later I had 15yrs worth of home memories on cd that would play in my dvd player not all players had all supported formats that by the way is the sign of a good dvd player is how many different formats it will support it avoids problems watching your favorite new release like your video .
This might just be what I need to give the Rage 128s I have a try. I have used ATi hardware a lot in my older builds due to their cards generally having very good S-Video output, but since using VGA to HDMI conversion, I find ATi cards have the worst picture quality of all the cards I've tested, mostly due to extreme blurriness and uneven brightness (everything is either very bright or very dark, no in-between). I've never been a fan of ATi's Rage cards either, espeically the Rage IIC AGP, which is just TERRIBLE. I don't know if this is the case with the Rage 128, but with several different Radeons I've tested, the video output appears to be some non-standard resolution when it's set to 640x480 as my LED TV rejects the VGA input at this resolution, stating it's unsupported. My XRGB-Mini normally is pretty accurate when it comes to picking up what resolution it's being fed, and it's showing something weird like 642x482 or something like that. I think I'll go grab one of my Rage 128s and test this out now.
With the Rage 128 Pro they did address a few issues, for example the 16 bit color quality is improved. But seeing how well this card does in 32 bit, if the game supports it, just use it. Not sure about the brightness issues. Michael, who runs runs the retronn website, wrote a calibration tool for the Epiphan capture cards, and the Rage 128 Pro has a pretty calibrated output. Other cards are much worse and way off spec.
11:59: hello, i revelead bug in your testing methology. Ad issue "Rage 128 pro is same fast in 32-bit and 16-bit colors".... is not completly true. I just revealed it, when i was testing 64-bit Xpert 2000 Pro, and compering results to my old Rage 128 Pro 64-bit. just did it, and revealed FPS was quite high, but dropped, when I've used 32-bit colors textures. You need to DESELECT "convert 32-bit textures to 16-bit" in OpenGL options. And your FPS drops. That's because, it is not true 32-bit color mode, when you are using 16-bit textures, while competition is using 32-bit color textures. Like, you are watching mostly on textures, so it is trick Ati used to gain FPS in benchmarks to look better. :) But you are basically looking at 16-bit colors set under 32-bit color display mode. Which means, optically, they are 16-bit, except some untextured stuff.
When I had an Ati 128 with Pentium II at the end of the 90s, I flashed my Pionner DVD player so that it no longer had the zones if I remember correctly?
We used those for PC to TV video presentation stuff back at my old job, before we got some cards from Matrox (can't remember the model), which would let us drive several monitors. Main issue with those ATI cards were the drivers if I recall correctly. It's actually what drove me to stick with nVidia to this day. :D
We didn't use those for gaming, but we ran into all sorts of weird issues while trying to have them do what we bought them for, i.e. displaying a slide show on a TV screen. It would sometimes refuse to recognize the TV, or randomly refuse to run in mirror mode, or not display anything on the TV for some reason... In hindsight, I'd say it was a combination of ATI drivers being a bit rough at the time, and general Windows 9x silliness. The Matrox were a lot more stable, granted so was Windows when we got them... but the hours of fiddling with settings and cables definitively ruined my relationship with ATI gpus. :D
Apparently Google Chrome is the only web browser supporting certain "advanced" video formats under Windows XP, and I'm not using that. Yeah, I'm on an older (gaming) computer :) It's funny when I think about it, because I haven't had any problems with your other mostly newer videos.
This is the first card I ever had and replacing it with a Radeon 9800 so I could run KOTOR was what got me interested in hardware and PC building. I still have both the 128 Pro and 9800 in their boxes somewhere. Familiarity with ATI/AMD and my extreme laziness, which meant to not wanting to get used to Nvidia software, are why I've been team red for 20 years. Now I stick with AMD for their (IMO) better business practices and more open source approach, but like most fanboys on either side, I'd be lying if I said I had chosen my preferred brand based on logic and testing. Now I have the information to justify why I stick with AMD, but in reality I just kept with the brand that my 15 year old self found in my mom's late 90's/Y2K era desktop.
A Radeon 9800 Pro, was my first ATI GPU, before that I was Nvidia only, let me tell you, it was a eye opening moment for me, not because the GPU was bad but how good it was compared to what I really imagined.
I had an ATI Rage Pro 128 and upgraded to an STB Velocity 4400... straight up the Rage 128 had more consistent frame times and was a nicer playing experience.
The first time I saw Quake II on a Rage 128 Pro card I was completely blown away. I love this retro geek stuff. Great job on the review and thanks for doing it.
Great you liked it :D
Holy fog, my first 3D card!
I really like this card, playing DVD on a P200mmx was sorcery!
The 3D demo with egypsian stuff are freacking awesome.
Nice. The only demo I found was Rage Dawning.
Wasn't that demo for non pro version?
The ATi Rage 128 is just a re-branded Tseng Labs ET6300. It's the last and fastest Tseng! Tseng was purchased by ATi in 1997. Their 3D graphics card, the ET6300, was released as the Rage 128 after the purchase.
I think you're thinking of the ATi Rage (Pro) not the Rage 128 (Pro)
The All in Wonder was such a great card. It was so easy to transfer camcorder video to the computer, to save for posterity & edit. If you had a super VHS camcorder, you could import high quality videos, edit them, then transfer them back to a super VHS VCR. You could also take VCR tapes & convert them into a shareable format, though UA-cam was pretty new at the time.
As far as gaming performance, it was never it's strong point & let's just say I had a computer I used for multimedia stuff & another for more serious stuff & games. It was a bit disappointing, since I probably spent the most time on the multimedia PC. It was handy being able to watch TV on my desktop while I worked.
My first All In Wonder was a Rage II based card, and it was never really known for its 3d acceleration prowess. It was pretty slow, compared to the newer chipsets out there. All that changed with the All in Wonder Rage 128. For the first time, I could do everything on one machine, if I so chose. It also left my other machine open for LAN parties & competitive Descent. (1, 2 & 3)
These cards are quite good and lasted for a while. There's a good reason Apple included them as the stock GPU on the PowerMac G3 and G4.
These videos are awesome. I wasn't quite able to do much with computers, let alone read what they said back when these cards were released, but I'm fond of old tech and this is a cool look back into what PCs were capable of before.
That's what it's all about :)
My Radeon 9600 Pro has actually a jumper to switch the S-Video output between PAL and NTSC.
They were a solid card. Certain office brand PC's had a habit of including Rage128 cards with their systems, so we came into many back in the day. I remember testing a Rage 128 Ultra one time just out of curiosity as to how it stacked up and it played GP 500 amazingly well in 1024x768 32 bit colour. I mean it wasn't perfect, but it was playable and looked really nice.
Just a thing to keep in mind when running games in 32-bit on ATI games of the time, they actually run the z-buffer in 16-bit (not 100% sure it's the z-buffer, but they do get their boost because they still run some operations in 16-bit). Anyway, if my memory is correct, they were not competitive in 3D until they released Radeon cards.
Yes you're right, thanks for setting the record straight! I wasn't aware of this setting, it is called something along the lines "convert 32 bit textures to 16" and boosts performance, but doesn't look as nice. Unfortunately I used those settings. However, all the "new" videos and results I have changed this. So the videos with the GeForce 256 and anything in the future will have the correct 32 bit quality :)
Man, this video threw me back in time. I used to have this exact card back in the day, upgraded from a 16MB Vanta, and the thing felt like lightening in comparison, the VIVO functionality was great, as we could all sit and watch movies on our CRT TV which was vastly superior to the monitor i had (15'' Compaq) :D
You can probably do without the music. It gets old pretty fast.
i had this gpu, ati rage rage 128 fury 32mb, non pro, it was great, yes 16bit always sucked, but 32bit wow. it ran even max payne 1, nfs porshe, with a good cpu it was a monster
I had the 16 bit, it somehow ran gta san andreas (64 bit min.) sometimes little buggy, vice city with ease which requires 32 bit card minimum, dunno what was going on then. .......... darrn i wasted precious hours of my life on that, then again, at least not wasting that of other's on here. So enough of this bye.
Ps Switched to more mature (i like to think so) titles, like golf, or brain deteriation repression training (something like that, don't quite remember). Anywho, bye.
@@Geert365 you must be crazy. i tried to run san andreas on a rage 128 pro agp and it was basically unplayable at lowest settings. i had to switch it with the 7000 or 7500 64mb in my other computer, i'm not smart enough to remember what that shitty GPU was. 64mb was the minimum for that game.
edit: jumping out of the plane was the spot that was unpassable with the ati rage 128 pro because of the extreme lag. jumping out to the plane graveyard...
san andreas is a very poorly optimized game though. it could have done alot better on older hardware but rockstar was a greedy corporation and put profit over optimization.
May be one of these days i will give it a go, was getting the old boy up and running again, see if i remembered it wrong then may be, but pretty sure , would a dual core with 8800 gt run it choppy at times, only other pc i used here. Real world priorities though, so no time soon (not that i think you , or anyone are anxiously awaiting any outcome of that). Quit gta, it's really about making money, like you said, and can really disrupt peoples lives i think, unless you are pretty well grounded on your feet. That discussion goes back to the eighties and movies (probably before that), gonna not touch that subject matter any further.
I have an All-in-Wonder 128 pro. I actually like the image quality on this card more than on Voodoo2/3 cards :). It even supports tri-linear filtering, and the performance hit from using 32bpp isn't that bad.
I can see that, in 32 bit the ATI is nice and crisp.
I bought an ATI Rage 128 Pro 32mb PCI off ebay for $7 shipped because of this video, along with another $7.50 512mb SDRAM for a Pentium III workstation my uncle left me. It will be my first "retro build."
This brings back memories :) Me, my ATi VIVO card and my 51 cm. CRT TV = Home Cinema in the early 2000s. Thanks so much for this video.
I have several of these in PCI and AGP format. They are the perfect cards for upgrading old systems to play DVDs without ANY lag. Gaming is average/mediocre at best but still good enough. I use them mainly in Pentium III's and the like.
@@wowitsshit9734 They are long gone, sorry. I don't keep a bunch of computers anymore but thanks for asking.
my first pc had a Ati all-in-wonder (rage 128), it was absolutely fantastic for the day. even having a small window overlay with live TV whilst playing a game or recording a program. it wasn't without its faults or quirks but on the whole did a good job and played many games for the time more than adequately with few driver issues.
Phil you are a legend mate. I had no issues with the dvd player set to region 2 and away it went with nice play back. I'm using the xpert 2000 agp which is a variant based on the rage 128 chip.
Nice! Yes, I was pretty certain it was just this one machine being weird :D
Your video's have inspired me to purchase some older parts to play my old DOS/Win98 games again. Have picked up a P4 2.8GHz, 256MB RAM, GeForce FX5500. Just trying to hunt down a cheap Vortex 2 card :)
That's awesome :)
Your benchtable is adorable. :D
I'm huge fan of yours. Thanks a lot for bringing back memories,
cheers mate.
Thanks!
14:00 - I noticed that the Voodoo 3 2000 was overall faster than the TNT2 Ultra.
My first ever gaming pc: K6-2/350 and a 32mb Rage 128 Pro. Upgraded to it just in time for Everquest to come out and it played that game for thousands of hours. Plus the OpenGL? Glide? (I fogot) support in Quake was pretty darn good as far as I can remember.
Glide was 3dfx, OpenGL were the rest, ati ogl drivers sucked hard for years, but stull they worked fine for the quake3 era, but in 2000- 2008 they were lame
nice video! the card was a bit ahead of its time. I love old ATI.
Thank you!
the first video card I ever baught!!!
Yes it's quite a good card, had great price per performance and a decent image quality for the time. Plus it also had a very clean open source driver support for Linux/mesa-3d and Amigaos/warp3d... good times
You know, thinking about it I almost wonder if nVidia didn’t name the GeForce256 such so that they could one up ATi.
I still have my ATI Rage 128 Ultra AGP. It's great for late 90s gaming. Mine came with my very first PC in late 2001. Unfortunately I didn't get much mileage out of it in terms of early-mid 00s gaming, for obvious reasons.
My high school had these in their Dell PCs which were used for C++ and CAD/ Drafting classes and these cards were quite good when we did CAD work. Sadly they were locked down so much that we couldn't do much else with the PC which meant games and videos were out of the question. On occasion we would have internet access but still heavily restricted...
The ATI Theater chip was AMAZING. It was highly praised as a capture device in its day. The Theater 200 improved on this an was a very affordable option for recording svideo. You had to buy Matrox level equipment to get better capture. In fact I have a whole setup based on a P4 and a 850 XTPE that I use to record old VHS footage.
Nice! I have an AIW 8500, but the TV tuner stuff is now obsolete :) The capturing especially would have been quite a cool thing, like you say.
Order the charts, it helps to understand
Ive actually got one of these Rage 128 cards with 32mb of VRAM , The performance isn't too bad and the image quality is good (not quite to Matrox standards, but good). The main flaw of course is that , like the Nvidia , its somewhat generic, since there is no support for Glide or something unique like EMBM or S3 Compressed textures.
in my mind the ideal setup for this card would be to have it run alongside a Voodoo2 SLI setup . You can have the V2 for Glide and sheer speed in 16bit colour games, and the Rage 128 can act as the main card for games that benefit from 32bit colour or the higher amounts of VRAM (the image quality and overall DOS performance makes it suitable too)
It does support compressed textures (DXTC), but I'm not sure about EMBM. The driver mentions nothing about this.
guess you learn something new every day , didnt think any texture compression was supported.
its a good card for a Pentium II or early PIII
Great video as always Phil, but the Moiré pattern is very prominent in nearly the entire video, although from 20:04 onward the Moiré pattern seems completely gone.
I thought that was only an issue when you film an old CRT monitor with a cheap digital camera, but here you're using an LCD all the time. I found that little strange because LCD's usually have a default refresh rate of 60 Hz and use a completely different digital technology.
Moire is an issue with fine lines / patterns, not refresh rate.
I swapped this back and forth a few times with the tnt2ultra because of drivers and game support back in the day.
The reason you want to restart your PC in W9x after color depth change is to make the interface look better
Do you have a video on the ATI 3D Rage Pro II PCI ?
I really like the older ATI cards, my Pentium 3 setup has an All-In-Wonder Radeon 8500 128mb, and it has some pretty good multimedia functions like a tv tuner, ect.
Me too. They are not used often, most go for 3dfx or Nvidia. But whenever I try them out, I have a good experience.
nice and interesting video, like all you upload to this channel :D (sorry by my bad english LOL), you make me want to continue my project of building a P1 88Mhz pc with DOS
Thank you :)
Any ideas as to why this card performs better with 32bit colors than 16bit? It seems a little odd to me.
Bad Drivers at launch
I always wondered what the differences between the different cards with Rage128 chipsets were.
I recently bought an "ATI Xpert2000 Pro Ultra 32M"
For some reason none of the drivers from the AMD site worked. I needed to force it to install a driver called "ATI Rage Fury Pro / Xpert2000 Pro" out of said AMD driver using infs. Works fine though.
19:00 it depended on the receiving tv, what signal you could output. i remember it on my rage 128, because i used to subtitle anime to german and output it to my tv and vcr. and because only few anime i had were pal i had to switch it often to ntsc, which worked.
I used to love ATI cards back in the day - although I never used one of this specific generation (I was running S3 cards on my K6/K6-2 builds), I upgraded a Geforce 2Ti with a Radeon 8500 on my AthlonXP and was immediately amazed by how much sharper and clearer the picture was (this was a time when nVidia still had crappy picture quality, which went away with the GeForce4 series).
That said, the Rage128Pro is an utter mess - it's not really the performances (which are a bit of a letdown) but the fact there existed a bazillion cheap&crap version of this card, mostly peddled on office-grade builds, which makes it nigh-on-impossible to actually find a good one with the promised 128-bit bus. I have probably 5 or 6 of these, all marked differently (Rage 128, Rage 128Pro, Rage128Ultra etc), with visibly different PCBs (some are the famous "L" shaped, some square and red or green) and they ALL are 64-bit, all with the exact same (bad) performances. One of them is a Gigabyte GV-AG32S, which on the Gigabyte website shows as specification of 128-bit...and it's 64-bit, same exact performances as the basic "L" shape cards extracted from some 2000 MS-Word machine.
So yeah, if you're building a retro-machine of this era, I wouldn't bother with this card, unfortunately :/
help. I'm looking for an ISA or PCI display card that supports composite mono monitor. I tried VGA to composite converter, text are blurry and dark. but if I run something in QBasic with Screen 8, the text is sharp and clear
My retro ATI card of choice would be the Radeon 9000/9200. But that might be because I used one of those as my main gaming card for a while back then. :) Anyways, should be faster than the Rage, have better D3D/OGL compatibility, and yet still fully passive cooling.
As 9200 is the card I stuck with for the most years of owning a computer, I can simpathise, but after switching to 9700 on one of my AMD rigs and testing it out, I liked it more for the sheer power it produces in 1997.-2006. oriented gaming - its fast, rock-solid, colder than most 9200's and easily obtainable.
Great card. I tried a 9200 in Windows 98 once and it's a very fast card. Better suited for Windows XP to be honest.
I love video cards with composite video output...
yeah thats the shit
Recently tested the card and would advice against using the latest drivers as I had visual glitches in Quake II and Half-Life (texture flicker). Tried 6XXX drivers and the glitches were gone. Even got better performance by few frames.
I have the All in Wonder version well because I desired the TV tuner and recording functionality for recording TV shows and making video CD's (or DVD's) of them.
Nice! I guess the TV tuner will come in handy for capturing older consoles. Soon devices won't have any analogue tuners, so hang on to that card.
I might be wrong, but I think there is usually a jumper that sets PAC/NTSC on ATi cards?
@@phipli You are right! Many cards indeed have such a jumper to configure the TV out standard.
I was actually going to buy one recently (along with a Voodo2) and do a build. But since I salvaged a working (and good as new with SLI cable) Diamond Monster 3D II+Diamond Viper V550 from a computer that was going to get scrapped I ended up not going with it.
Phil could you do a review of a ATI Rage XL pci ? cheers
13:48 You shouldn't be adding FPS numbers from different benchmarks. You should do instead a geometric mean.
Have you checked gpu/memory clocks on your card? ATI claimed 140/160 for Pro version. I've seen only 112/125 and 125/143 variants. Fully fledged version come up only in some early reviews on the internet.
PowerStrip reports 118 MHz for the core and 140 MHz for the memory.
I recognized that Audigy card instantly, before he mentioned it. I got that thing the day it came out for sale.....it took way longer than installing an OS from scratch. Why is that?
I should say, it took much longer to install than an OS:)
Yes, I streamlined the process because I install Windows 98 so often :)
My iMac G3 has a 128 Pro, and for the machine it is a GREAT card. You have to understand this is a 400 something mhz PPC (Slower than a similarly clocked Pentium, by a lot), but it rocks games like quake just fine. It's a great machine for older games and 68k emulation on OS9 is pretty decent.
Oh, and to add, DVD playback is also flaky HARDWARE on the Mac. It has a DVD drive, but a new disc like the Titanic it stumbles and just jumps ahead more than a reasonable skip would often.
Cool, thanks for sharing. I know little about the Apple world, so this is nice to know.
PhilsComputerLab Honestly they are very similar to PCs of the day, especially some of the earlier power macs. They use Power PC, which is a RISC based CPU (Meaning while the IPS per clock is better than a CISC machine, the amount of work an instruction can do is severely reduced. So going from MIPS to MIPS count on a PPC to a Pentium, a Pentium will easily smoke it, and CISC based CPUs have really caught up to RISC to the point where there is no competition) over x86 CISC, but they still had PCI, (Idk if they had AGP) and some of the later G5s even had PCI-E support.
I suggest you toy around with mac gaming, and check our Druaga1's content, he has a lot of mac stuff, and even LGR has some content.
I suggest for retro Power Macintosh gaming you either go with a G3 box, or an iMac G3 Summer 2000 DV+ model (I have it). The G3 box has more expansion options, but the iMac may be easier to find, and it is a great all round machine.
For 68k Gaming, check out what the latest one is, I think it was a performa of some sort. They aren't fast and are on the levels of 386s on clock for clock.
For older Power Macintosh gaming, get one of the dual CPU (I think dual core even on top of that) G5 towers. Very loud, but they are as good as a power mac will get.
Emulation IS an option, but not a very good one in my opinion.
If you need any more info I definitely have one, or check our Druaga1, or LGR's content.
I am currently on your Matrox G400 and I have yet to find a video I disliked. If you ever need help I do have some resources, I am currently cobbling together a DX4-100 @120 machine, that is pretty period accurate down, even though it's a tad OP.
ironic, the cards at the time were held back by driver issues, but as time has gone on they've only got stronger
i have one of these cards laying around. it is the pci version. im going to put it in a board with an amd k2 475mhz. not sure if i will have any issues but that the fun part.
PCI cards are harder to find, so that's great :)
I accedently passed up on a Rage Fury Maxx last year, was frantically working and completely forgot to contact the guy to arrange collection , :/
Very cool card, early cross fire and all of that. I have one, but it cost me a LOT :(
do u have video review about amd cpu thunderbird
ive ran into a few compatibility issues with some games...not a lot...but enough to stick with nvidia
Can it play Resident Evil 2 on Win98 ? :D
How's the CPU/memory consumption on video recording?
If anyone is looking for a good retro card, this one is good. I had it since 99-2006 and played a lot. Not a single issue, all games had every 3d feature correctly (unlike shit s3 Matrox etc), 32bit was awesome, svideo to composite allowed 1024*768 output, dvd playback on the gpu, 32mb was over the average. The only bad thing was the 16bit performance at first, the tnt2 is faster overall and the voodoo3 could be another great option but only 16bit and 16mb lol. Games i played: max payne, ff7-8, epsxe emulator, quake 2, every tomb raider 1-5, drakan, soldier of fortune, forsaken, nfs 2,3,4,5. Even gta vice city (ultra slow, but i had a shit celeron 333-400 lol, darkstone, quake 3, ut99, mdk 1 2. Ati always has crap drivers at first then they mature a lot, the drivers were 12mb. It was awesome in winme xp. Love this gpu, i wish stupid me never had sold it for pennies
Thank you for sharing 😊
I'm trying to see if anyone has seen this same issue, I have 2 different ATi Rage 128 Pro cards, both of them crash the whole system when trying to use composite in, ASUS P5A with AMD K6-III 450, 512 MB RAM, tried with both Sound Blaster Live! and Audigy 2ZS installed as well, plus an ASUS NX1101 1Gbps NIC
I've got an Ati Rage 128 Pro too but mine only has VGA and the PCB is smaller and has another form. Are there different versions of it or am I wrong?
There are indeed all sorts of version. I looked around quite a bit, in the end I payed a premium to get this card. It seems to be an early version with all the features included.
Ok, I didn't know that. Thanks for your fast reply!
This was my very first 3D acceleration video card :)
Bough it to my Athlon 3200 XP+ to play Doom 3
It ran Doom 3 :O
That must've been a horrible experience...
PhilsComputerLab
It did, with HUGE lag :P
But then again i'm the girl who played Quake at a 486DX2 back in the day
+Vannessa .. Same :P 486Dx2 66mhz
+GengarTV Same here, on 486DX2 80MHz :)
Also, I finished Rune on an unclocked Cely 300A and an 4MB S3 Virge DX, fun times :D
I threw away my Rage 128 Pro a long time ago and I really wish I hadn't
I still have one in my closet (I'm 16 years old and I have used a system with this gpu in it shortly before the pentium III in it died and believe me, beautiful experience in older games).
I just took out the GPU and i am using it as my keychain
Me too. It is a great retro card, it just works fine. Like nvidia tnt or voodoo.
Mine doesn’t have a SoundCard built in. Just VGA
Just got this card today for 5€ :D
Mine came with a TV tuner also.
By the way, Did you by any chance got to test this card on vanilla quake minigl v0.98 and Starseige? I was contemplating on getting one for the Pentium 3 computer I'm building but I don't know how well the driver preforms on older and more obscure games.
I can definitely test GLQuake for you, but I don't have Star Siege. Is there a demo maybe I could try?
I just googled starseige demo and came across this cnet download page but I usually don't download anything from cnet There must a better place to get it...
download.cnet.com/Starsiege-demo/3000-2115_4-10016803.html
Cool, thanks!
Ok the demo runs fine! I read the readme file, it mentions that the OpenGL option is for Nvidia card. But it also has an option for other and 3dfx.
It recommends setting the colors to 16 bit, which I did.
I took a photo of the game running: i.imgur.com/jps9ASH.jpg
And here GLQuake: i.imgur.com/JjB384H.jpg
Make sure to play in 32 bit colors, it does look very grainy in 16 bit.
Beastie card for the time. I had one.
Is there also a benchmark of the Rage 128 Ultra planned?
AFAIK it's identical, maybe a tiny bit slower or faster. And amongst them are different clocks as well, they are all over the place, ATI really let everyone do whatever they wanted with clocks.
Back then, I got this card integrated into a brand new PC of 1999 or so. I hated it and got a GeForce ASAP.
What did you hate about it? Driver issues?
The OpenGL ICD was not so good compared to nvidia.
I see. Matrox also struggled with OpenGL. Nvidia and 3dfx seem to do well with OpenGL.
I have to correct myself - the infamous card was a Rage Pro.
The Rage Pro 128 is a good chip. It's basically a Tseng ET 6300.
where u got dat old version of fraps
this was my first video card.
I want to build a Retro-build PC to play old PC games....What do you recommend for a PC that can run Windows-311/NT351/NT40/Win95/Win98se/Windows-ME.
I just want to build one PC to be able to install all of those operating systems on via compact flash drives and play games at a reasonable performance.
Should I get a Pentium or Pentium-2 or Pentium-3 or Pentium-4 ?.....Which CPU and Motherboard do you recommend and what graphics card and what sound card?....What amount of memory do I need for best performance?..128/256/512/768/1gb. ?..
That's a loaded question and requires pages to answer properly. I really recommend you research a bit more online, I'm happy to answer more specific questions :)
If you could have only one Retro gaming PC what CPU , Motherboard , Graphics card, and OS would you use?What is your favorite?
How would this card perform at 800x600 vs 1024x768?
A little bit faster across the board.
I fucking hated owning an old computer with this graphics card in the 2000s. I mean, yeah, it could play UT99, but nothing more advanced. I would run whatever XPlane was current back then at like 5 FPS.
My first windows desktop graphics card....
Is it better than the Radeon 7000?
I missed that card I have it on my dimension 4550
I wonder how this GPU stacks up in Windows 7
hey Phil, im waiting on some parts to come in for my main project, started messing with another, going to use my rage 128 pro, its the exact card you used in this video, im trying to install mmc but the capture option isn't installing, i really want to be able to connect my sega genesis to my pc and capture from it, can you share the exact driver and mmc you used in this video ?
I used the latest ones from the AMD website!
PhilsComputerLab I have installed those from amd site and the MMC from the private ftp, it installs but doesn't install the capture option, I'm not sure what's wrong
Not sure either man :(
has anyone got this card to run Shadow Warrior, i have tons of cards to use, ive tried other cards with shadow warrior but i get massive fps drops around water. but it runs duke3d fine.
Is this the 32MB version of this card? I have the 16MB version and it's not doing a great job or maybe I pushed it too hard.
the specs of mine:
ATI Rage Fury Pro/Xpert 2000 Pro
16MB SDR
GPU Clock: 120Mhz
64-bit bus
VRAM 120Mhz
960 MB/s
You want the DDR version. But remember to play appropriate era games otherwise no point using vintage parts 😊
@@philscomputerlab Ah yeah, seems like I picked the older version. I didn't even know there were multiple versions of the same card! I mainly tested the card with NFS Porsche, it was still good enough, game was playable but I think I was comparing it with your video and few others I saw haha.
@@RootiferasRetroGameplay That specific game I'm not very familiar to be honest. If you want something faster, on a budget, look for a 9000 series card or a 7200 which is a rebranded Radeon AFAIK.
@@philscomputerlab Thanks! I'll have a look!
VEEERY GOOD review!
I used to have one of this kind of card. I always felt it was a bit of an underdog. While it worked well for the most part but it was never a stellar performer and there were certain games like Mechwarrior 2 and 3 that just would not work.
Underdog is a good label for this card :)
Is this card the ATI Xpert 2000 Pro?
It's not labelled at such, and with these older ATI cards, really hard to tell. But it has the Rage 128 Pro GPU :)
Confusing to say the least. What are the Xpert 2000 Pro and Rage Fury Pro cards? What are the clocks for the GPU? Is this the fastest single GPU Rage 128 Pro card? I saw this on wilipedia:
"Rage 128 Pro
Later, ATI developed a successor to the original Rage 128, called the Rage 128 Pro. This chip carried several enhancements, including an enhanced triangle setup engine that doubled geometry throughput to eight million triangles/s, better texture filtering, DirectX 6.0 texture compression, AGP 4×, DVI support, and a Rage Theater chip for composite and S-Video TV-in. This chip was used on the gamer-oriented Rage Fury Pro boards and the business-oriented Xpert 2000 PRO"
link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_Rage
I think your card is the Xpert 2000 Pro and not a Rage Fury Pro. The question is. Is the Rage Fury Pro card, faster?
When playing a dvd you had trouble getting it to work I noticed the old look to the buttons on right of the screen those are the original drivers and software later ATI released updates ver. 5 and so on it had a polished look to the interface brushed steel and back then ATI often had trouble with drivers and software issues that were later fixed in updates I did video capture on a Radion 8500 and later 9000 card converting all my home movies from VHS to CD-R in VCD format I recall test recording many different formats to encode for the best HQ playback it was tedious process but necessary for a noob to it when I was done some months later I had 15yrs worth of home memories on cd that would play in my dvd player not all players had all supported formats that by the way is the sign of a good dvd player is how many different formats it will support it avoids problems watching your favorite new release like your video .
Thank you for sharing your experiences!
I have 3dfx 4500 AGP BOXED AND 3dfx 5500 boxed that I get from the usa I live in uk
Who gives a f u c k
I had this card in notebook back in 2000 with pentium 3 and 256mb ram....it was disaster and disapointment.
i have a trident 3d image 9750 ( super dookie gpu ) and i want to get this ATI card to see if i can finally play mtm2 at 60fps 🤣🤣
This might just be what I need to give the Rage 128s I have a try. I have used ATi hardware a lot in my older builds due to their cards generally having very good S-Video output, but since using VGA to HDMI conversion, I find ATi cards have the worst picture quality of all the cards I've tested, mostly due to extreme blurriness and uneven brightness (everything is either very bright or very dark, no in-between). I've never been a fan of ATi's Rage cards either, espeically the Rage IIC AGP, which is just TERRIBLE.
I don't know if this is the case with the Rage 128, but with several different Radeons I've tested, the video output appears to be some non-standard resolution when it's set to 640x480 as my LED TV rejects the VGA input at this resolution, stating it's unsupported. My XRGB-Mini normally is pretty accurate when it comes to picking up what resolution it's being fed, and it's showing something weird like 642x482 or something like that. I think I'll go grab one of my Rage 128s and test this out now.
With the Rage 128 Pro they did address a few issues, for example the 16 bit color quality is improved. But seeing how well this card does in 32 bit, if the game supports it, just use it.
Not sure about the brightness issues. Michael, who runs runs the retronn website, wrote a calibration tool for the Epiphan capture cards, and the Rage 128 Pro has a pretty calibrated output. Other cards are much worse and way off spec.
11:59:
hello, i revelead bug in your testing methology.
Ad issue "Rage 128 pro is same fast in 32-bit and 16-bit colors".... is not completly true.
I just revealed it, when i was testing 64-bit Xpert 2000 Pro, and compering results to my old Rage 128 Pro 64-bit.
just did it, and revealed FPS was quite high, but dropped, when I've used 32-bit colors textures.
You need to DESELECT "convert 32-bit textures to 16-bit" in OpenGL options. And your FPS drops.
That's because, it is not true 32-bit color mode, when you are using 16-bit textures, while competition is using 32-bit color textures. Like, you are watching mostly on textures, so it is trick Ati used to gain FPS in benchmarks to look better. :) But you are basically looking at 16-bit colors set under 32-bit color display mode. Which means, optically, they are 16-bit, except some untextured stuff.
cannot recomend this card. i had this back in the day. doesnt support reflection in so many games.
I guess you will need to get a DVD from every country until you figure out which region it's looking for :P
When I had an Ati 128 with Pentium II at the end of the 90s, I flashed my Pionner DVD player so that it no longer had the zones if I remember correctly?
Please, make a Nvidia GeForce 6200LE Review! \o/
Ah the memories... :)
We used those for PC to TV video presentation stuff back at my old job, before we got some cards from Matrox (can't remember the model), which would let us drive several monitors. Main issue with those ATI cards were the drivers if I recall correctly. It's actually what drove me to stick with nVidia to this day. :D
Yea drivers get mentioned often. Maybe I just didn't try enough games, they are all big titles, so I'm sure ATI made sure they work.
We didn't use those for gaming, but we ran into all sorts of weird issues while trying to have them do what we bought them for, i.e. displaying a slide show on a TV screen. It would sometimes refuse to recognize the TV, or randomly refuse to run in mirror mode, or not display anything on the TV for some reason... In hindsight, I'd say it was a combination of ATI drivers being a bit rough at the time, and general Windows 9x silliness. The Matrox were a lot more stable, granted so was Windows when we got them... but the hours of fiddling with settings and cables definitively ruined my relationship with ATI gpus. :D
Thanks for sharing your experiences, it's always really interesting to hear such stories.
No problem, keep the videos coming. ;)
Excellent effort, but it was ruined by the awful and distracting music and unreadable charts for the only resolution available (640x360)
The video is produced in 1080p60. Click on the cog below the video to increase the resolution.
Apparently Google Chrome is the only web browser supporting certain "advanced" video formats under Windows XP, and I'm not using that. Yeah, I'm on an older (gaming) computer :)
It's funny when I think about it, because I haven't had any problems with your other mostly newer videos.
Hi, how are your new home?? :D
It's very nice, thank you.