Unveiling the Truth: Christian Nationalism vs. SDA Fears w/ Doug Wilson
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- Buzz has been circling in some Adventist circles that Christian Nationalists-such as pastor Douglas Wilson (@CanonPress)-are leading the modern charge to try and legislate a National Sunday Law that will lead to the persecution of Seventh-Day Adventists, something they have been anticipating for 170 years. But is this true? Since we've heard some Adventists point to Doug Wilson specifically, we reached out to him to test this theory. Let's see what he says...
Douglas Wilson is the pastor of Christ Church (@ChristKirk) in Moscow, Idaho, a blogger (@blogmablog4870), faculty member at New Saint Andrews College (@NewSaintAndrewsCollege), author, and speaker.
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CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Introduction to Christian Nationalism
1:02 - Defining Christian Nationalism
3:44 - Exploring National Sunday Law
7:28 - Theocracy vs. Jesus's Teachings
14:00 - Church Sunday Worship Origins
19:05 - Sabbath Significance in Christianity
23:17 - Conclusion on Christian Nationalism
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The Gospel of Jesus Christ:
Man is a sinner (Romans 3:23; 1 John 1:8) and our sin has separated us from our Maker (Isaiah 59:2). In His grace, God entered into His own creation in the person of Jesus Christ (John 1:1-14; Col. 1:19), born of a virgin (Matt. 1:23), and lived a perfect and sinless life, fulfilling all the Law’s demands (2 Cor. 5:21; Matt. 5:17), on a mission by God the Father to save sinners from condemnation (John 3:16-18, 6:37-40). He paid the penalty for sin which is death (Romans 6:23) and bore the sins of His people in His body on a cross (1 Peter 2:24), making propitiation by His blood (Romans 3:25). He died, was buried, and resurrected in the same body He died in on the third day for our justification (1 Cor. 15, Romans 4:25; Luke 24:39). By a living faith (James 2:18) in the Person and Work of Jesus (Romans 10:9-10), God graciously declares a person righteous (Romans 4:5), they are reconciled to their Creator (Romans 5:10-11), given Christ’s righteousness in full (Phil. 3:8-9), sealed with the Holy Spirit (Eph. 1:13), and have peace with God (Romans 5:1). They are born again of the Spirit (1 John 5:1, Titus 3:5), adopted into His family(Eph. 4:5-7), and are granted eternal resurrection life in Jesus Christ (1 John 5:11), set free to do good works that please Him (Eph. 2:10; 1 John 2:3-4). Jesus will physically return one day to judge the living and the dead (1 Peter 4:5; Acts 24:15; John 5:24-5), throwing the wicked out of His Kingdom (Matt. 13:41-3), but His people will be spared from the wrath to come (1 Thess. 1:10) to dwell in union with God forever (Rev. 21:3).
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As expected, many SDAs are triggered. Folks, this was not a discussion defending Christian nationalism, making a case for such, politics, etc.
The thesis was clear-are people like Doug the new face for a national Sunday law that SDAs have been anticipating for 170+ years. Very simple. No, they aren’t. We’ll keep hunting for this ghost, though, and see if we ever find it 🙂
To be honest sounds like you have been triggered because you decided to make a whole channel on disproving SDA. Someone triggered you so bad that you created this channel. At least we will go to bed to and forget about this video and channel. You will go to bed and think how you can get back at SDA. Not sure who hurt you but I pray that you allow yourself to see the truth. God is knocking on the door, only you can let him in your heart. God bless and I hope to see you in heaven on day: Jesus is coming soon. Remember only a handful will be saved according to the bible. So I will beg you not to follow the Majority.
@@la9baca9gordo In reality the "Advent pioneers" were the ones who were "triggered" when they decided to organize into a very peculiar denomination (i.e. masonic cult/masters of the second veil) that locked Christ inside "a secret chamber" unable to blot out sin until 1844 (Mat 24:26) for the sole purpose of denouncing every other denomination or church that refuses to bow down to your church creed (i.e. the "fundamental principles" of SDA-ism) or play along with your "investigative judgmentalism" as an "apostate" or "daughter of Babylon". So you folks are simply ONE OF MANY (Mat 5:9) on the list of man-made cults claiming to be "the true church"... and worse yet THE BIGGEST SNOWFLAKES of them all as evidenced by your reaction when someone questions your "ecclesiastical authority in matters of faith"! Those of us who are ex-Adventists aren't the mean and hateful reprobates you make us out to be. We are SINCERE CHRISTIANS much like we were when we were drunk on the "remnant punch" but now that we have been made free from the "strongest delusion" or "capstone" of protestantism (i.e. the remnant church of Bible prophecy) we desire nothing more than to help others find their way out of your "cult of perfection" or final generation of "little gods" (i.e. last generation theologists) just the same. Its love that motivates us to tell you the truth not hate...
@la9baca9gordo this is such a classic Adventist answer to anyone who has left adventism, and it smacks of anyone who has to clap back but has no real ammunition to do it. I am sure some people left because they were hurt. The vast majority studied their way out (via the bible) and if there's hurt involved, it's usually AFTER leaving as they look back at how they followed such a false religion for so long. Lost years of bad faith.
Are Adventists not admonished to seek out "unbelievers" and teach them where they are wrong? Are they not encouraged to fearlessly explain to people where their belief systems are leading them down a wrong pathway that could lead them to loss of salvation? How else would you convert them to your belief? Is that not considered a loving thing to do by Adventists?
Why then, if an ex Adventist speaks about the truth they have found to Adventists, proving why that religion is false and encouraging Adventists to follow the true biblical Jesus, hate? When you do it, it's love, when ex Adventists, with the same intention do it, it's hate? Can you defend this? This smacks of the loss of freedom of choice - something your Adventist belief expounds constantly. Can you not see your hypocrisy?
Don't watch these videos if you don't want to, but cool your jets on the kind of comment you have used to paint these speakers as hurt, angry or bent on a rabid hatred to the point of them being obsessed with hurting Adventists. They are obsessed with LOVING Adventists to the point of continuing to bring the biblical truth to them. Even those who are nasty to them for doing it.
Hello AnsweringAdventism, you are correct when you say "there has to be a big jump that has to happen" for sunday keepers to go after Seventh Day Sabbatarians to want to kill them. That big jump will be the work Satan doing signs and wonders, that if it were possible, would even deceive the very elect. This deception only works if you're biblically ignorant. That includes the state of dead (immortality of the soul vs death is a sleep) which EGW says will be used to deceive people (dead people coming back to life as loved ones/famous people similar to the witch of Endor. It's good that you are examing these things, the seed has been planted. Jesus said, "And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe. ..."
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Do we then make void the law of God through grace? God forbid.We uphold it.
(Rom 3:31) This verse means that the Law is in effect for every sinner who will not accept the free gift of salvation. Although the Law is not the means of salvation, it is "holy, and just, and good" (Rom. 7:12) and "spiritual" (Rom. 7:14). Any unsaved, self-righteous religionist who is counting on the good works of the Law to save him is "fallen from grace" (Gal. 5:4) because the work of Christ has no effect on him at all.
@@clintonpark4763 Paul does say that but he is also says to keep the law, Paul is saying if it weren't for grace, confessing sins and repenting wouldn't have mattered. You already transgressed the law, and hence forth you deserve death. But because we are under Grace, if we ask for forgiveness and repent (which means to turn away from sin) our sin is not imputed. It's like if you were stopped for speeding, if the police decides to show you mercy, and not write you a ticket. Are you then going to rev your engine and speed off? Or are going to go the speed limit in appreciation of his mercy?
Paul is making a case for keeping the law, it not just in Romans 3:31
Romans 6:1-2
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? CERTAINLY not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?
Romans 6:12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should OBEY it in its lusts.
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? CERTAINLY NOT! Do you not know that you to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, whether of sin leading to death, or obedience leading to righteousness? But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, YET YOU OBEYED from the heart.....
18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said "you shall not covet".
The last one I quoted is interesting, he quoted the 10th commandment as an example. He's saying if you know the Law and you transgress it, you have sinned. I don't think all people who attend Church on Sunday will be condemned, because many are faithful. But I do believe that if someone is AWARE that breaking the sabbath is a sin. I do believe they will be condemned.
Romans 8:7 "Because the carnal mind is ENMITY (hostile) against God; for it's not SUBJECT TO THE LAW OF GOD nor indeed can be."
He's saying if you don't follow the commandments you are not subject to the law of God, you are hostile towards God. This is however if you are aware that you are breaking a commandment and continue to do so. You're not saved if you are hostile to the law of God.
I honestly don't think people read Romans, they only look at the verses that the pastor mentions in Church. There is no way from reading Romans that you come to the conclusion that we are saved by Grace but we can willfully sin. Paul spends HALF of Romans emphasizing the law.
We must keep the law, BUT understand that it is our belief in the sacrifice of Jesus that will save us and not our own keeping of the law.
This thinking is consistent with other verses in the Bible.
Matt 5:17
"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill."
Matt 7:21
"Not everyone who says to Me Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven..." 23 And then I will declare to them I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice LAWLESSNESS!"
That verse is talking about BELIEVERS specifically who are talking about all their WORKS. But he tells them to depart from them because they don't follow the 10 commandments.
John 14:15 "If you love Me, keep my commandments."
I am not now, nor have I ever been a Seventh Day Adventist.
5:00 Doug Wilson says he believes "the Sabbath is going to be part of a reformation of our morals" and that the "fourth commandment hasn't been retired in any way" and that a national reformation will "result in a national honoring of the Lord's Day." Did you catch that?
The "Lord's Day" is Sunday according to Catholicism and nearly all her barely protesting daughters. The fact that a so-called "reformed" Protestant Pastor is teaching Catholic doctrine is evidence for why I say "barely protesting daughters." The seventh day - Saturday - is the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, God's Sabbath day. The "Lords day", Sunday is man's sabbath.
9:30 Doug believes we ought to "stop doing things that make God angry." What are those things. Apparently only breaking God's commandments number six and seven ...
9:40 Doug says he's talking about "killing babies," the sixth commandment against murder; and "Sodomite Marriages" presumably the seventh commandment against adultery. He says he's not talking about "persecuting" Seventh Day Sabbath Keepers. I believe him but if a law persecuting Saturday sabbath keepers ever does emerge I suspect Doug would support it - perhaps he will comment?
I wonder if "honoring" Sunday pleases God? An actual true reformation would mean not only honoring the sixth and seventh commandments but all ten including - and perhaps especially - the fourth - since it is the one most agree doesn't apply today for anyone but the Jews.
Catholicism teaches the seventh day - God's Sabbath made at creation - has been "replaced" by the "eighth day" which is really the first day, Sunday. Read Catechisms of the Catholic Church 2190 to 2194. www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c1a3.htm#2190
10:50 Interesting discussion about "worldview" where Doug says one must decide which worldview should govern decisions about legislation. He says it ought to be a "true one not a false one." Remember his point that abortion from a Christian worldview is murder but not from a secular worldview. The question is which worldview should one adopt regarding the fourth commandment? The Secular, the Catholic, the Adventist, or the Biblical? The vast majority of people cannot even distinguish between Catholic, Adventist and Biblical let alone make a decision about which worldview is the correct or "true" one.
If a "reformation" is to take place ought it not be based on a return to biblical teaching as opposed to Catholic or Adventist? - though it seems the Adventist doctrine on the Sabbath is biblical and the Catholic is not.
16:10 Here Doug removes any doubt that his worldview is Catholic. The idea that a "new creation" requires a new "day of rest" is precisely the teaching of Catholic Catechism 2190. In Brief: "The sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ."
If one defines secular as worldly compared to spiritual then one could say the traditions and commandments of men that do not comport with the commandments of God are indeed secular, or worldly.
Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
If Doug truly wants to do what "pleases God" then he might want to abandon the worldly view of Catholicism and reform his behavior to the Biblical worldview that, in respect to the seventh day Sabbath, the SDAs seem to have correct.
Answering Adventism and Doug Wilson, though I trust are well-meaning men, are actually Catholic apologists. They may not be aware of whom they are serving only God knows so I'm not condemning them. My purpose is to point people to the scriptures for their doctrine. If one believes only a priest or corporate church has the authority to teach one how to be saved, they've put their eternal life in the hands of men.
Romans 14:12 "So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God."
There are more bibles on the planet than people so God's word is not hard to access. In the words of Bob Dylan - "you gotta serve somebody, it may be the devil or it may be the lord, but you're gonna have to serve somebody."
"Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey..." Romans 6:16, and Joshua 24:15 says, "but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD" - not Secularism, not Adventism, not Catholicism, not Christian Nationalism, but THE LORD!
From About minute 4:00 to 7:00 and again at the 13:00 minute mark Doug answers your first question- no he is not in favor of persecution (which in the SDA view is literal going after and killing SDA’s). He even says he would not be in favor of taking away their right to worship on Saturday…explains more as you listen.
Also you second point about Catholic vs Adventist vs Biblical Sabbath shows that you don’t know the SDA Sabbath which is heretical and in direct contradiction of salvation- so even if you attend church on Saturday for your own edification, no one should be in favor of the SDA sabbath. (They believe sabbath is the seal of God- not the Holy Spirit as the Bible states, they believe that going to church on Saturday is salvific not the belief in to total and complete work of Jesus on the cross. This is straight works based salvation. Heresy.) again no one should be going to an SDA church simply bc they believe in going to church on Saturday is keeping the 4th commandment.
If you’re truly not an SDA you have no reason to defend their heretical stance but should be in staunch opposition to the false prophet and as the Bible says EGW should would be killed for her teaching bc it is a complete affront to the biblical narrative and teaching in salvation in Jesus Christ
@@timarnett672 false Jesus false gospel
@@Jessaba Thanks for your comments Jessaba. I said I believed Doug when he said he wasn't in favor of persecuting sabbath keepers. My question was would he change his mind if a law persecuting them did arise. Given his staunch defense of Catholic Catechism 2190, which isn't even a civil law now, I suspected he would change his mind but I'm not convinced he would. I hoped he would comment.
As to your second point I don't believe there's such a thing as an "SDA Sabbath", there's just God's Sabbath which no informed person would argue is any day other than the seventh. Jesus didn't condemn Sabbath keeping but he did condemn the way people kept it - specifically the scribes and Pharisees who put the "traditions of the elders" and the "commandments of men" above the "commandments of God."
Matthew 15:2-3 Why do thy (Jesus's) disciples transgress the TRADITION OF THE ELDERS? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. But he (Jesus) answered and said unto them, Why do you transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Then beginning in verse 6, "... Thus have you made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES the COMMANDMENTS of MEN.
Luke 6:7-9 And the scribes and Pharisees watched him (Jesus), whether he would heal on the sabbath day; that they might find an accusation against him... Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?
Jesus taught how to keep the Sabbath not that it should be replaced. Paul taught Jews and Gentiles on the Sabbath after the new covenant had been instituted by Christ, after Jesus became our Passover.
Acts 13:42 when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words be preached to them the next sabbath. Verse 44, And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Worshipping on Saturday - or Sunday - will not earn salvation. As Doug said its about pleasing God. I don't think God would be pleased by men replacing the day He (the Word who would become Jesus) created, sanctifed - made holy - and blessed with another day. A day a majority of Roman citizenry, heavily influenced by the cult of Sol Invictus, were worshipping on already. The Catholic Church simply incorporated the practice as it would do with many other pagan, non-biblical practices.
Ezekiel describes a particular event that provoked God's anger - that was not pleasing to him.
Ezekiel 8:14-17 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S HOUSE (church) which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater ABOMINATIONS than these. And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they WORSHIPPED THE SUN toward the east. Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to PROVOKE ME TO ANGER: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
The sun rises in the east in the morning - these men were worshipping the sun, a pagan practice long before the Romans. Tammuz, Ishtar and sun worship are powerful traditions influenced by principalities, powers, and the rulers of darkness in this world. Satanic spiritual wickedness drives these rulers.
The history of the Catholic Church and its treatment of those who dared to put bible teaching above the Catholic Church's teaching is well documented - Wycliffe and Tyndale - being two of the more famous. If one is supporting Catholic teaching like the Sabbath being "replaced," they're putting Catholic teaching above bible teaching, and, past behavior is a good indication of future behavior.
My point was ONLY that SDAs recognize the seventh day is God's Sabbath and that it is biblical. I'm not supporting the religion of Adventism and certainly not EGW who is clearly a false teacher, nor am I suggesting anyone attend SDA meetings, services or anything else. With whom and when people congregate is their business. Whether it pleases God or not is His business.
We are all sinners and will all stand before God and Christ alone and give account for ourselves. I repeat that I'm not judging or condemning only trying to point out what is biblical.
As for what SDAs or any other religions believe about God's Sabbaths, the bible does teach they are a sign - not a seal. I agree the Holy Spirit is a seal. A sign is something different.
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are SEALED unto the day of redemption.
2 Corinthians 1:22 Who hath also SEALED us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
Ezekiel 20:12 Moreover also I gave them (Israelites - God's people at that time) MY sabbaths, to be a SIGN between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.
Ezekiel 20:20 "hallow (keep holy and seperate) MY sabbaths; and they shall be a SIGN between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.
One can argue that the "sign" was only between God and Israel but then one must contend with:
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Romans 11:17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and you became a fellow partaker of the root and of the fatness of the olive tree,
Jesus and His followers kept the Sabbath not because they were Jews but because the Word that became flesh; who had created the day and told his people to remember it; even writing it in stone with His own finger, was there teaching them. We are to:
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Repent of sin - transgression of God's law including all ten commandments; get baptized and receive the holy spirit, and continue to grow in grace AND knowledge.
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
A final thought. Who will be called great in the kingdom of heaven?
Matthew 5:17-20 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. WHOSOEVER therefore SHALL BREAK ONE of THESE least COMMANDMENTS, and shall TEACH MEN so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever SHALL DO and TEACH them, the same SHALL BE CALLED GREAT in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
1 John 2:3-4 And hereby we do KNOW that we KNOW him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
I cannot find a commandment in the old or new testament that says Sunday should replace God's Sabbath.
I hope that clarifies my earlier comments
@@johnnytangent2849 forgive me- in your original comment you said that “when it comes to the seven day, Sabbath, the SDAs have it correct”. To me (and you don’t have to prove anything to me)but it appeared as if you were putting yourself in ally ship with SDA’s. So my point is that no one should be in alignment with a heretical church. If and big IF they are right on one thing, but are wrong on salvation, and who Jesus Christ says He is there is no foundation on which to align oneself with them as they are simply not brother and sister in Christ as it pertains to their fundamental beliefs. (Same for Mormons and JWs) It is dangerous, and if one is not staunch in making that correction and calling that out, then it appears as if you would rather aline yourself with the idea of who, an SDA is rather than what they actually stand for. as I mentioned before most Christian generally don’t have a problem with anyone going to church on Saturday or Sunday and it is simply not a point of salvation. I believe that the Bible states clearly that you should follow your conscious and your convictions. The other issue about Catholicism bogeyman perspective is also in alignment with SDA theology which I suspect is another reason why you feel convicted to extend a hand in agreement with them but for Ex SDA’s this caricatures of history and of the Church was (and is) in part used as a form of fear mongering to keep members in the cult. I wholeheartedly agree in free-speech, and you have no obligation to convince me or anyone of your position, but I would like to just extend the courtesy of acknowledging that this platform is specific to a cult, Bottom line that distinction does need to be made and the lines need to be clearly drawn; which I see from your reply to me was clearly pointed out. But honestly thanks for your kindness!
@johnnytangent2849 A few things made my ears perk too! This interview actually gives SDA's ammo to promote their "national sunday law delusion" despite the denial of religious persecution... I'm of the opinion we are born with "inalienable rights" that are guaranteed/protected in this constitutional republic THEREFORE the government has NO BUSINESS violating these rights by defining God for us, and MOREOVER mandating what day we are to keep holy. (i.e. the first 4 commandments) The constitution does identify a "Creator" as the source of these inalienable rights THEREFORE all citizens are required to be moral citizens per the last 6 commandments that are part of our civil law and "a terror to evil" (Rom 13) regardless of race or religion. Things like legalized murder or abortion (6th commandment) and homosexual marriage and gender confusion that destroy the family (5th commandment) are necessary corrections in society but the danger is to overcorrect and start defining who God is through "christian nationalism" or the idea America is a "christian nation". The term "christian nation" defies the very principle of the 1st amendment! Some people never learned their lesson in the destruction of Jerusalem or the dark ages of papal tyranny... But there is no need to worry! It was only the "strong delusion" of a brain damaged con-artist...
Thanks for preaching endtime events wrapped in your psuedo-attacks... we benefit a lot from these. We grow, we learn perspectives but we are posted right here.
Love this video! It builds my faith in the Seventh-Day Adventist message. Glad you were able to get Doug on your platform. Well done! He’s a lot more honest about things than much of the wishy washy evangelicals of today. What is funny about all this is that when a populous movement gets going Doug doesn't get to decide who becomes the enemy of the state. Once the herd gets spooked they all start running. Seventh-Day Adventist are right for what they say and teach. The union of church and state are a definite problem. The second tablet of stone is our duty to man, and you don't have to be religious to understand that. The first tablet of stone has to do with a relationship with God which should not be forced at all. Blue laws are by force. We do not need a theocracy folks as tempting as it seems : D
You said "Love this video! It builds my faith in the Seventh-Day Adventist message."
You have been duped (or brainwashed if you were raised SDA) by a charlatan system. There is no delicate way of putting it.
2 Corinthians 3:14-18 NIV (with slight annotation):
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But their [the SDAs'] minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil [EGW] remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed because only in Christ is it taken away. Even to this day when Moses [10 C's] is read, a veil covers their hearts. But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is FREEDOM. And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit."
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t has been 179 Years, 2 Months, and 10 Days since October 22, 1844
Agreed. Go get other speakers as well. I dare say he would have hands full with Randy Skeete. Orpastor Nougaisse, or Pastor Henriques. These men dont ever back down and fight with scriptural truth and history ! Our church has many biblically based preachers....all with different approaches.
Looking forward to this episode! 👍
I learn something each time i tune into this channel.I mat not agree with 100% of what's said, but I learn. Thank you, Douglas, for stating clearly what your branch is about.
That’s the goal! I don’t agree 100% with every guest either. But good to hear people out and, in this case, test theories.
Somehow Jews, Muslims, and secularist wont be very excited about not being able to buy a shovel on sunday...
In my country stores don't work on Sunday and some small business
@@zhanucong4614 same in my county.
Lol. Some SDA's are going to be so embarrassed and maybe a little relieved.
I remember my SDA friends in the 1980s being so scared for their lives because of the blue laws. I asked them about that a few weeks ago.
They still fear for their lives about upcoming Sunday laws. So it has not changed.
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No where in the Bible is there a prophecy about a coming Sunday law.
This was a SDA created term to cover the holes of their own demonic teachings
It’s bondage living like that man… crazy
Real adventist arent afraid of Sunday law in the coming future. Stop lying lol @@speakeasyarchives8764
The SDA’s must be mad at chick fil a
Doug, you say grace liberates us from the law. I suggest that grace liberates us from the consequence (death) of violating the law.
That’s what Doug means. He essentially is reiterating Romans 8:1. Doug isn’t an antinomian by any stretch.
Just recently, whenever it was, after Mike Johnson had become the new Speaker of the House, the woman Senator from Arizona made this comment : "We should pass a bill requiring every American to attend the church of their choice, on Sunday." And we know that this new Speaker is against the seperation of church and state, as many others also are.
Which means he would call a Sunday law !
WAAAH! This is _really_ great! Love uncle Doug! Thank you Miles, and _'may The Lord BLESS you, and KEEP you, may He make His Face shine, upon you, and be Gracious to you, may He turn His Face toward you and give you PEACE!'_ ~ Numbers 26 : 24-26 Awesome show Miles! :DDD
I was waiting for this subject to come up for a long time.
Would love to hear from the SDA out of which thumb did they sucked this one.
@@juligraham7319
Yes, the CLEAR WORD BIBLE.
For all your fundamentals were conceived in hell.
@@juligraham7319 but which bible is their's - Clear Word?
@@juligraham7319But this is the thing. SDA is Not Biblical
@@juligraham7319 The Biblical one, False Jesus, false gospel, false doctrine, false prophet, and a fake Bible. Yep Very biblical hell bound.
I know right . Keep telling urself so to appeaseur conscience
Peace,
Hey brother Myles, try not to get feisty with me , I just want to point out there is agreement on this video … 🙌🏻
at the 5:12 mark of the video, the brother said “ if there’s a national reformation and revival that will result in a national honoring of the Lord’s day”?
Because he’s a federalist, He doesn’t think the federal government should implement these laws, he said it should be the states and counties that should enforce Sunday law.
Myles, I thank you for putting someone on that tells it straight up. Him and yourself may believe it won’t be done by force and persecution, that can be debated. However he clearly admitted there is a push for reformation & revival, and it will bring about a national Sunday law.
Yes, the blue laws has been lying dormant in many states, but that doesn’t negate the fact that there’s an effort for there to be a “national honoring of the Lords day (Sunday)”
You guys believe EGW to an extent, because she teaches that there will be a national effort to enact “the honoring of the Lords day”, which is Sunday… your guest admits that too, he believes that will happen.
Put the persecution to the side for a moment… you and your guest believes what 7th day Adventist believe and has taught. It’s at the 5:14 mark of the video.
Blessings!
In a democratic country there will never be a Sunday law when it comes to worship..the constitution allows for freedom to express our religion
@@juligraham7319 come live in South Africa..we will not have a Sunday Law that will lead to persecution of SDA ..dont worry about project 2025 or EGW halluncinations ..right now Christian churches are being burnt in India,in the end times all Christians will be persecuted
Well this is the thing. People love any excuse to hit the street Rioting.
@@juligraham7319 no for the same reason that we don't read what you're right until it starts speaking the truth
Really appreciate this viewpoint. Something to ponder
Actually America is a Republic!
The grace of God has been revealed,
bringing salvation to all people.We are instructed to turn from godless
living,and sinful pleasures.We should
live in this evil world with Wisdom,
Righteousness,and Devotion to God.
Titus 2:11-12.
Oh it sounds so nice and pure, until one take a closer look at your cult and noticed that you preach a cursed gospel while following a glorifieď angèl named Micheal as your savior.
Not sure who you have in mind to deceive, but it didn't work out as planned I woulď say.
@@Marey-hw6wn Weak misrepresentation.
@@sethoselken9562
True, the SDA cult always produce this weak misinterpreted demonic doctrines. I guess it must be the result of EGW insanity instead of Biblical truth.
12:30 in. Your guest suggest we are over seen by a Transcendental Authority… overarching all of us. My question to him is who decides which is the accurate over arching authority? The new age community would agree with him. However, their over arching transcendental authority is run by the Arcturian’s who oversee the earths ‘actions and running’ by their representation on the galactical council? I’m not saying he is wrong. I’m simply asking who decides what this Transcendental Authority is? Even Christians would. Or come to an agreement. Even if they based their decision on the Bible. Anyway. Just a humble question
No worries Peter.
Doug is a presuppositionalist, as am I.
We would argue that the transcendental authority is not determined by man, but God. The true God. Our fundamental starting point is the One True God. He has revealed himself in scripture. That’s our foundational starting point. We don’t presuppose something else outside of there because the Bible never presents God in such a way.
The scriptures attest, for example, “the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge.” Unless we start with the True God, we have no basis for knowledge. Scripture never presents God as a coin toss or an up in the air 50/50 type thing. The Apostles, for example, never argued “if Jesus is the true God,” but declared it as a fundamental truth and starting point with certainty, not possibility.
This is Doug’s position. The Christian God is the one True God. He doesn’t assume neutrality to then try and reason to that God because that God has already revealed that He is the beginning of knowledge. So without Him, you couldn’t know anything. Thus, what He has revealed in scripture is the transcendental, objective moral standard.
@@answeringadventism thank you
Critique the book, "The Two Republics" by Alonzo T. Jones especially the last 6 chapters . . . I point this qst to Doug Wilson most especially . . .
The reason that I sometimes refer to the popular Christian churches today as "apostate or babylon" is because they have drifted so far from the beliefs and teachings of the Apostolic church of the first century. After the protestant reformation, these popular churches of today did not continue receiving light and guidance from the Scriptures , but they founded their churches and established their doctrines based solely upon what they had learned leading up to the reformation.
God had inspired these Godly men, in the protestant reformation, to carry forth His gospel , but each sect or denomination of believers adopted differing doctrines for their various churches and their understanding of the Scriptures varied widely. Just as today, we still see that God's Church is divided into many different denominations with varying beliefs. One popular doctrine today, however, is the adoption of the Christian Sabbath (Sunday) which is a false Sabbath. It's observed by the overwhelming majority of christian churches but is nowhere to be found in the Scriptures. In all of the Bible, both New and Old Testaments, there is only "One" weekly holy day that is ever mentioned or that is observed as a regular day of worship. And that is the seventh day. This day is the Lord's day(not Sunday) . .."but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God" (Ex. 20:10). This is the day that we are commanded to remember. "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy" (Ex. 20:8). Some people say "Well, I worship God every day." And that's great if someone can worship every day; but God calls us or commands us to treat the seventh day with reverence and to keep it holy (Ex. 20:8). This is the only day of the week that God has given His special blessing and set apart (sanctified) for holy use. I think most of those who are tuning into this program know that Sunday worship originated among the sun-worshiping pagans and that Emperor Constantine of Rome passed the first mandatory Sunday Law. He wanted to unite the christians with the sun-worshiping pagans to create a universal church. A couple of centuries later, when pagan Rome transferred its power to papal Rome, the Papacy put Sunday observance into canon law. So friends, this is the reason that you worship on Sunday--not because of the resurrection of Christ which was never observed and celebrated, in the Apostolic church, as a special day of worship. Below , I have included comments from various popular christian denominations regarding the Sabbath that I hope you will find enlightening .
BAPTIST
"There was and is a commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day, but the Sabbath day was not Sunday...It will be said, however, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was trans- ferred from the seventh to the first day of the week...Where can the record of such a transaction be found ? Not in the New Testament--absolutely not. There is no scriptural evidence of the change of the Sabbath institution from the seventh to the first day of the week.--Dr. Edward T. Hiscox, author to the Baptist Manual, in a paper read before a New York ministers' conference held November 13, 1893.
CATHOLIC
"You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we (Catholics) never sanctify." ---James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers, 16th Edition, 1880, P.111.
CHURCH OF CHRIST
"Finally, we have the testimony of Christ on this subject. In Mark 2:27, He says: "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." From this passage, it is evident that the Sabbath was made not merely for the Israelites, as Paley and Hengstenberg would have us believe, but for man...that is ,for the race . Hence, we conclude that the Sabbath was sanctified from the beginning, and that it was given to Adam, even in Eden, as one of those prrimeval institutions that God ordained for the happiness of all men." ---Robert Milligan, Scheme of Redemption, (St.Louis, The Bethany Press, 1962), p.165.
CONGREGATIONALIST
"The Christian Sabbath(Sunday) is not in the Scriptures, and was not, by the primitive church, called the Sabbath." --Dwight's Theology, Vol.4, p.401.
EPISCOPAL
"Sunday (Dies Solis, of the Roman calendar, 'day of the sun,' because dedicated to the sun), the first day of the week, was adopted by the early Christians as a day of worship...No regulations for its observance are laid down in the New Testament, nor, indeed, is its observance even enjoined." ---"Sunday," A Religious Encyclopedia, Vol.3, (New York, Funk and Wagnalls, 1883).
LUTHERAN
"The observance of the Lord's day (Sunday) is founded not on any command of God, but on the authority of the church." ---Augsberg Confession of Faith, quoted in Catholic Sabbath Manual, Part 2, Chapter 1, Section 10.
METHODIST
"Take the matter of Sunday. There are indications in the New Testament as to how the church came to keep the first day of the week as its day of worship, but there is no passage telling Christians to keep that day, or to transfer the Jewish Sabbath to that day. " ---Harris Franklin Rall, Christian Advocate, July 2, 1942.
MOODY BIBLE INSTITUTE
"The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. This fourth commandment begins with the word 'remember,' showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding ?"--D.L.Moody, Weighed and Wanting, p.47.
PRESBYTERIAN
"Until, therefore, it can be shown that the whole moral law has been repealed, the Sabbath will stand...The teaching of Christ confirms the perpetuity of the Sabbath." ---T.C.Blake, D.D., Theology Condensed, pp.474,475.
PENTECOSTAL
"Why do we worship on Sunday ? Doesn't the Bible teach us that Saturday should be the Lord's Day ?"...Apparently we will have to seek the answer from some other source than the New Testament."---David A. Womack, "Is Sunday the Lord's Day?" The Pentecostal Evangel, Aug. 9, 1959. No 2361, p 3.
ENCYCLOPEDIA
"Sunday was a name given by the heathen to the first day of the week, because it was the day on which they worshiped the sun,...the seventh day was blessed and hallowed by God Himself, and...He requires His creatures to keep it holy to Him. This commandment is of universal and perpetual obligation." ---Eddie's Biblical Cyclopedia, 1972ed., p.561.
Can some one answer me this.
God, in Daniel 7:25 says that a little horn power would think to change times and Laws. The only commandment of the ten that deals with time is the sabbath commandment and in unexplainable coincidence, the papacy comes along claims to have changed that very commandment and the day it spells out as the sabbath.
Who is Bible based here. The advestist who say the law of God cannot be changed or the Papacy and most of the protestant world?
No SDAs were triggered. You wish.
So, if I worship on Saturday is legalism, but if I worship on Sunday it is a privilege. I am not a pastor but why exactly people ex-Adventists or not are so marveled by such week arguments always surprises me. Why exactly couldn't I worship on Saturday and also consider it a privilege and not a curse? Because all the Sunday worshipers decided so, and it must be true?
That’s not what Doug said. He didn’t say going to church on Saturday is legalism. He said Adventism has a legalistic system of which church attendance on Saturdays is a large part in. He said this in the context of members at his church who are former SDAs. And he doesn’t mean “legalism” in the sense Adventism does which has redefined the term to deny that they are legalistic.
Good show, concise discussion.
Another question:
Has the State any power to promote morality . . . eg, punishing sin and rewarding righteousness?
The state literally legislates morality. Murder is a moral law. Theft is a moral law. There’s no getting around this. Which is why Doug said that should be done based on the OBJECTIVE standard-not an arbitrary one. God decides what is objectively wrong, not man.
Yes, the governments role is to be Gods enforcer of civil penalty in the world and God expects them to do so righteously. This is literally the role of the government (Romans 14). Yet they are involved in all sorts of stuff they have no permission from God to be involved in. Like education.
@@answeringadventism Morality is connected to the Moral Law. Morality refers to the conformity to this Moral Law in the thoughts, the purposes and the intents of the heart. Note: The Moral Law Takes into account the thoughts, the purposes and the intents of the heart. It is for this reason that the Civil Government cannot legislate morality.
An attempt to enforce morality was carried out in the middle ages through the inquisition in order to get at the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Morality and Civility should not be confused. The Government does not punish sin but crime. It rewards civility, not morality . . . Sin is nonconformity to the Law of God. Crime is nonconformity to the Law of the Land.
@@okellojeremy2700 So the ten commandments aren't "moral" anymore? I'm not sure what you're smoking but you really need to stop! LOL!
1. Relating to the practice, manners or conduct of men as social beings in relation to each other, and with reference to right and wrong. The word moral is applicable to actions that are good or evil, virtuous or vicious, and has reference to the law of God as the standard by which their character is to be determined. The word however may be applied to actions which affect only, or primarily and principally, a person's own happiness. - moral, Websters 1828 Dictionary
[Rom 13:1, 3, 9-10 KJV] 1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. ... 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: ... 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
The government has NO BUSINESS "respecting the establishment of religion or preventing the free exercise thereof" in direct violation of the "inalienable rights" of its citizens that are derived from an unnamed "Creator" as stated in the US constitution and bill of rights THEREFORE the government has NO RIGHT to define God for us, (i.e. 1st four commandments) and yet the constitution can only be kept by A MORAL PEOPLE as summarized in the last 6 commandments that are interwoven into our civil laws. Of course legalized murder and sodomy have challenged what "rights" are protected but never forget the civil government has A DIVINE RIGHT to be "Gods minister" and "a terror to evil" (Rom 13) meting out civil punishment for behavior that violates another mans rights and destroys society. Those who think its okay to lie, steal, kill, and destroy the family in pursuit of their own " immoral life, hatred of liberty, and mostly peaceful protest" are the real problem in this country just as verily as those advocating for a "christian nation" or religious theocracy, not the ones advocating for a return to the principles of the US constitution that protect the "inalienable rights" of ALL its citizens regardless of race or religion. But hey, keep telling yourself things like legalized murder and sodomy aren't moral issues... even as SDAs make a clear distinction between the moral, ceremonial, civil, and health laws...
In other words. They will murder us.
@@answeringadventismwill you talk about project 2025 that is related overthrowing giv and forcing blue laws
anybody who works in retail knows that all the major grocery stores aren't gonna give up the busiest day of the week.. x4 per month..... it's not gonna happen.. Sunday in North America is too secular and has lost its religious meaning, in every major city across USA &Canada. Sunday is just a regular work day, and school for those in university
Myles my man! You have just got a new subscriber. After stumbling across your videos I’ve been binge watching whenever I can! I’m impressed with your knowledge and maturity in your presentations. Am I correct in you being an ex SDA pastor? With your theology background have you considered gaining credentials in another church or teaching at a Seminary? My uncle Dr. Jerry Gladson did this. ❤
No, not a former pastor-just a former Adventist. My dad is an SDA pastor. Glad you enjoy the content and thanks for the kind words!
@answeringadventism your dad sounds like a wise man. Good News- when Gov-church force SUN worship... woops
I mean 1st day mandates (Lead by the papacy) you will still have time....
Acts 5:29
But Peter and the apostles answered, "We must obey God rather than men. 📖
John was keeping the Jewish Sabbath on Patmos; this is what he means when he says that he was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day. One person recently quoted EGW as writing, “If the government would honor the Sabbath as God has commanded, it would stand in the strength of God and in defense of the faith once delivered to the saints. But statesmen will uphold the spurious sabbath...” 4BC 1168.8 Jesus had already delivered this faith to John, who was keeping this faith on Patmos, as he was keeping the Jewish Sabbath.
No he wasn’t lol
You guys just assert this and ignore grammar, yet your church claims the only approved hermeneutic in the SDA Church is the historical GRAMMATICAL method. 😂😂😂
You can’t deal with kuriake hemera (Rev. 1:10) and just assert that to mean “Jewish sabbath.” That’s like saying “apple” and “screwdriver” are the same thing if you didn’t know English. No, Jesus didn’t say “kuriake hemera” when he said He was Lord of the Sabbath. You guys are kings of association fallacy.
John’s own disciple, Ignatius, disagrees with you. But a woman in the 19th century knows better than one of the Apostles own disciples.
@@answeringadventism What is fact about Ignatius? I just looked that up, and read about letters that were forgeries and that there is no proof that Ignatius was "John's own disciple." Judas Iscariot was Jesus' own disciple, too.
Paul's words in verses 23-25 deal a decisive blow to the teaching of the Judaizers in the Galatian churches. The Law which once distinguished the Jews from the Gentiles is no longer binding, even on the Jews. It is antiquated. The Gentile Galatians had been persuaded by the Judaizers that to be truly spiritual, they must place themselves under the Law. Paul counters this by showing that if living under the Law is no longer necessary for the Jews, surely it is not required of the Gentiles either.
Believer, I want you to understand that the Law is not binding on you in any way. Does this mean that we are free to do whatever we want? No, as believers we are not under the Old Covenant Law, but we are under the Law of Christ:
Galatians 6:2 (NASB) Bear one another's burdens, and thus fulfill the law of Christ.
The Old Covenant is over, and we are living in the New Covenant age. Jesus Christ is our Lord, and we are to live in a way that honors Him.
www.bereanbiblechurch.org/transcripts/galatians/3_23-25.htm
📖 Mark 2:27-28
[27]And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
[28]Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”
Man / Mankind - Remember the 7th day Sabbath was set apart a couple of thousand years before any Jew walled the earth🙏 Keep looking up brother🕊
@@BookRemnant Thanks! The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD was a type of the destruction of the world. So, the Jews are there compared to all of mankind. Elijah's challenge was to the Jews. The endtime Elijah message is to all the world. Again, a parallel between the Jews and all mankind!
Psalms 111 : 7 , 8, 10
Psalms 111 : 7,8,10.
Will someone answer me this question? If in the near future -you- are MANDATED to worship on the 1st day (SUNday) will you be ok w/that?
Jesus was all about force, right? 📖Sola Scriptura📖 ...Doug can "believe" whatever he wants, that's always ok!
No one is advocating this. All of your guys’ new phantoms like Project 2025 are not MANDATING everyone worships on Sunday. This is delusional. Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists, Hindus, etc. are not all going to worship on Sunday and go to Christian churches.
You can live in a delusion of what about’s or you can actually use critical thinking. What if the moon explodes tomorrow? What if radical Muslims take over America? What if what if what if. This doesn’t prove anything. It’s just fear based reasoning based on critical thinking being shelved.
Nope
@@answeringadventismis project 2025 really a phantom when trump is going to win and he is nationalist
Doug bachelor I like to look at on Sabbath
So I asked a SDA member if they believe Ellen G. White to a Prophet and his response was no but that she was inspired by God 🤔 and then goes on to say that she had so much knowledge for healthy living and eating writings that she couldn't have known for her time and that science/ research has cooberated her inspired beliefs on that. I think alot of her beliefs on that can be debated.
Common claims.
They don’t mean inspired the way you think, more than likely, which is why you might be confused by what they said.
But further-this individual is simply out of step with the organization. It’s in the fundamental beliefs-she’s a PROPHETIC source of authority. Yes, they teach she is chained on to all of Gods prophets through redemptive history no differently than Jeremiah, Daniel, etc.
NO LORD JESUS WAS NOT HERE FOR HIS WORK HE LORD JESUS WAS HERE TO DO HIS FATHER WORK NOW NOT HIS WORK BUT THE FATHERS WORK ONLY AND IT WAS DONE ✅
At 5 mins, there is an equating of first day and seventh day as if they were the same. The Lord's day is known as Sunday. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath....so, does Jesus have two days, or is someone else the lord of Sunday?
Just because Jesus claimed to be Lord of the Sabbath, it doesn't mean He's not Lord over the other six days. Jesus is Lord over ALL He created. Jesus is Lord of ALL.
@@LoCoWi Are you saying all days are equal? Or did Jesus mean to exalt one day?
If all days are equal, why did Jesus say He was Lord over the day God blessed in Genesis chapter 2?
@@revelation1790
Oh you ingnorant tombstone, havè you not read thàt onè man esteemed one day above the other, and another esteemed them all alike Romans 14.
You sabbath keeping Pharisees must please start reàding the WORD of GOD without your ßtone glasses. 😊
@@revelation1790 I think that's what Paul told the Romans
5 - 2 - 24
LDS : Joseph Smith said Angels have GOLDEN PLATES
SAME AS ........
SDA : Ellen G White said Angels have GOLDEN CARDS
( Early writings 39 : 2 )
Ask a Seventh day Adventist
Using the Bible ONLY
Using the Bible FIRST
As Adventists claim to do
WHERE in the KJV Bible 1611, or in the Hebrew, Aramaic or GREEK of the text do Angels have
GOLDEN PLATES GOLDEN CARDS just because Ellen G White and her contemporary Joseph Smith said so
( Chapter and verse please )
If they don't mind
Thank you in advance
At his trial before the Sanhedrin Paul had zealous Jews fighting each other merely over the resurrection. Imagine if Paul was also teaching the Sabbath was done away with, or that we could eat pork now? You think pious Pharisees would insist "we find no evil in this man" Acts 23:9? LOL It actually was disbelieving Jews which started this rumor that "...Jesus of Nazareth will...change the customs which Moses handed down to us.” Acts 6:13-14 Luke is clear to write these Jews were FALSE WITNESSES as Stephen did NOT teach this nor did Jesus DO that.
Hebrews 4.
Hebrews 4 : 3 - 11
One of the minor flaws in SDA is paranoia. The major flaw would be Ellen White.
They are correct that the Sabbath cannot change.
No one said it changed. The day is not the substance. It’s part of the ceremonial form. And yes, that can change. Not only can it, but it has multiple times in scripture, like Doug pointed out.
If the True Christian worldview is to be enforced by law, wouldn't that mean a national creed?
No one said this. Doug literally said the opposite. I am genuinely concerned that SDAs might be the worst listeners out there. Seriously. Doug said the EXACT opposite of this.
He didn’t say the Christian worldview should be enforced on all people. He said that all people have an obligation to be Christian. Which is true. All men everywhere are commanded to repent. That’s what he meant and that’s what the Bible teaches. Every single human being has an obligation to be a Christian or they will be damned.
He said legislation is all based on morality and it should be based on the correct and objective one-which is the Christian one. Not a pagan one. You guys are supposed to be champions of the moral law and that it’s UNIVERSAL for all people. But then for some reason when it comes to morality being legislated, which is inevitable, you guys are against the objective standard being the one that’s used. It’s mind boggling.
That isn’t enforcing Christianity by law. It’s enforcing morality based on the actual objective standard, which isn’t man’s but Gods. You guys have zero issue with murder being legislated, thievery being legislated, etc. yet that’s a part of the Christian worldview. It’s Christianity that that is based on. Not some arbitrary decision or an objective wrong from a pagan worldview.
@@answeringadventismI will not.
Because they took up the tithe offerings on the first day of the week, do you think that is reasonable proof of changing the Sabbath Commandment of God? There is nowhere in the Bible that changes the Sabbath Day. The Ten Commandments will never change, Jesus wrote the Commandments on stone.
Except the ceremonial form of the fourth commandment has changed multiple times in redemptive history and is documented for us in scripture. Another case of needing to listen again.
And yes, 1 Corinthians 16 COMMANDS Christian’s to give on the first day during corporate worship. It’s only SDAs and other seventh day cults that argue this and claim the text is talking about some sort of private charity at home.
And until this day when Moses is read, the veil is kept in place.
Strange how God did know beforehand that these people will rejected Christ so that they can keep their Sabbath and law.
@@juligraham7319
Did God really said that whenever two or three gather in His name that He will be with them except when it is a Sunday?
I guess NOT.
@@answeringadventism I have to differ with you, 1Cor. 16:1-2 doesn’t change the Sabbath. No, it's not just SDA, that believes the Sabbath is the Seventh Day, the Bible says it is and I believe the Bible. The Bible disagrees with you. No I don't care for false teachers. Lose your hate, enter ye in at the straight gate Matthew 7:13-14. Your attitude is so wrong, get an ordinary job. Honor your father and mother. I know a few Adventist, they’re wonderful people, I don’t think EGW was a prophetess, but I would not make fun of her nor of any SDA like you do. Be careful: Read Matthew 5, and John 15. Slowly and carefully.
Rev. 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Have a great day.
@@Marey-hw6wn So you think it was their law? No, it was God’s law! Be careful who’s laws you trample on! Jesus kept the laws, so did the disciples.
Matt. 5:17-19 (KJV). Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 7:13-14 KJV
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
I'm not an Adventist but I definitely agree that the Sabbath is the Seventh Day. If they had tried to change the Sabbath, there would've been a big issue written about it in the New Testament; I’m sure there would have been even chapters about it, yet there is Nothing!
When you talk about changing God’s Word you better talk in fear and trembling. God’s Word Never changes.
Matthew 5:17-19 (KJV)
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Did Jesus really said that whenever two or three gather in His name, that He will be with them except when its a Sunday?
You Sabbath keepers are a joke at best.I suggest you removed that stone glasses and smell the coffee.
"til all be fulfilled"
Did you see those 4 words? What do they mean?
Sabbath is followed using lunar calendar not the solar (Gregorian) one.
@@Marey-hw6wn I don’t know where you were going with that, you can go to church on any day and God will be with you if you’re keeping His Commandments. No, one can’t get saved by keeping the Commandments but if you’re born again you will want to keep them.
See, your attitude is just like the one you’re listening to; making fun of people, that’s dangerous.
Read Matthew 5: slowly and carefully. Then read John 15.
And Rev 21:8.
@@awblanchard23 The Sabbath is a day of rest: God created the heavens and the Earth, in six days and rested on the seventh day. The Ten Commandments tell us to do likewise; Jesus kept all the Commandments; after all Jesus wrote the Ten Commandments in stone with His finger.
I believe that Jesus was writing the Commandments in the dirt when the Pharisees were going to stone the adulterous woman. Jesus told them, he that had not sin cast the first stone, and when they saw and recognized their sin (that he was writing on the ground), they dropped their stones and walked away. Jesus asked the woman, where are your accusers? she said there are non Lord, Jesus said neither do I accuse you go and sin no more.
We are to stop sinning when we give our lives to Christ, and we need to walk in the Spirit, not the flesh. Romans 8:
You’ll see it is very dangerous to make fun of anyone, insulting someone can send you to hell.
If I didn’t care I wouldn’t say anything, but I do, and wish you happiness in Christ Jesus. Matthew 5:
I’m far from being a scholar but I believe you got it wrong, about the scriptures.
God bless.
Project 2025 is addressing the Sabbath Issue. Read their documents.
We’re aware of this claim. We’ve already discussed it. No, this is yet again, Adventists misinterpreting what they are reading and don’t even understand what Project 2025 is. They act like it’s some sure-fire agenda that will in fact be implemented if Donald Trump wins re-election.
This is just the new boogeyman that some Adventists have latched onto to try and give themselves hope that SDA end times predictions are indeed true.
Hey Myles, didn't you say , on one of your previous programs, that you have joined the Presbyterian church ? Let me read this comment from an authority in your church and then you can fact-check it ! Here it is : "Until, therefore, it can be shown that the whole moral law has been repealed , the Sabbath will stand...The teaching of Christ confirms the perpetuity of the Sabbath." --T.C. Blake, D.D., Theology Condensed , pp. 474, 475. I also have comments from other churches; so I will read a couple more. I think most of your listeners are probably familiar with Moody Bible Institute ; so here is a comment from D.L. Moody. " The Sabbath was binding in Eden , and it has been in force ever since. This fourth commandment begins with the word "remember," showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?" --D.L.Moody, Weighed and Wanting, p.47.
Here's what the Catholic church (the true author of Sunday worship) says : " You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we (Catholics) never sanctify." --James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers , 16th Edition , 1880, P.111.
I can also show you many other comments from other popular Christian churches. And these are all honest comments from the church leaders of earlier generations. When you've slandered Ellen White, and her writings, in the past, you can clearly see that her beliefs did not differ so much with other popular church leaders of past generations. Here's another one from the Baptist Church : " There was a commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not Sunday...It will be said, however, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh day to the first day of the week...Where can the record of such a transaction be found ? Not in the New Testament--absolutely not. There is no scriptural evidence of the change of the Sabbath institution from the seventh to the first day of the week." --Dr. Edward T. Hiscox, author to the Baptist Manual, in a paper read before a New York ministers' conference held November 13, 1893. The problem is that today's churches have drifted farther away from their founders and church leaders . This is why they have been labeled as apostate churches , because they no longer reflect the beliefs and teachings of the Apostolic church of the first century.
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Yes we have a need creation in the New Testament. Jesus rested on the seventh day when he redeemed us from our sins… So base on your logic of rest he rested on the seventh day during creation and when he redeemed us. According to the bible he did not rested his on Sunday because he resurrected. We rested on Gods seventh day not on mans seventh day.
No he didn't and you guys should stop repeating this, thinking it helps you. We've already addressed this: ua-cam.com/video/WqRbZmSBPkc/v-deo.htmlsi=E6Fd_NyoZW-xDyV3
@@answeringadventism I don’t believe you understand the Doctrine of the SDA.. Work is permitted if its God will and not ours if you look at John 5:16 to 17.. God works in the sabbath but they do good in the sabbath.
John 5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Question how can someone be working if they are dead. According to the bible Death is sleep.
Psalms 13:3 Consider and hear me, O LORD my God: lighten mine eyes, lest I sleep the sleep of death;
@@answeringadventism if you look in Joshua 6 youll see that they walked around jerico 7 times more during the sabbath then any other day. Did they brake the sabbath, no they didn’t because they were commanded by God. Jesus is lord of the sabbath only he can say what work we are allowed to do on that day.. Read the whole chapter for context.
Joshua 6:15 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that they rose early about the dawning of the day, and compassed the city after the same manner seven times: only on that day they compassed the city seven times.
i can easily prove that sunday sacredness will become the mark of the beast from the bible only. No where in the bible is sunday called the Lords day.
The state cant force morality....union of church and state tramples on everyones freedoms. You guys could justify anything
You're not understanding the Constitution. The state can not violate the rights of the the church!!. But the church has freedom of speech. And can influence people to become Christian.. when that really would happen. which it never will. it has influenced on people that are elected .but they still can't violate anybody else's belief in religion. even if it's demonic like SDA!
And they will justify the reinstitution of Sunday laws because it'll be more favorable then the continued moral decline. And they act as if SDA's are "in fear" of being persecuted, when in fact it'll be a lot bigger than a small protestant denomination and SDA's in general know that their faith isn't grounded in fear but in obedience to Jesus Christ. Many will see the truth through the forced observance of Rome's altered laws and they'll be cut off from the new blockchain economy.
May God lift the veil from their eyes.
Dear Myles: like me, you grew up as an Adventist. Our religious map worked well at some point in the local setting. After a new situation appeared that map ceased to satisfy us. Therefore, we shouldn’t criticize Adventists. Their map works just fine for their purposes. Your current form of Christianity, too, may satisfy you right now; but it might cease to work later. Humility & refraining from being too critical towards others are the main safeguards. I could be wrong, though.
So according to you it was wrong on the side of God to expect from us to expose the works of darkness?
Maybe you must take your argument up with God, who knows, maybe He will alters the Bible so that your feelings should not get hurt.
Feelings over Truth man....(sarcasm.)
Yes. But have you ever wondered as to why Christians have been unable to bring about a civilization in which women & men are equal, world peace & racial harmony prevails; elimination of the extremes of wealth & poverty? Christians aren’t evil. It’s their religious map (literature & history) that doesn’t allow them to create a peaceful, united & harmonious society. They will quote passages that put men above women; that tell them that peace will never come & that say that human nature is evil. In fact, they will point out Bible verses that advocate superiority of their religion, thus blocking the needed human unity. Jews, Christians & Muslims & champions of white supremacy have & continue to use scriptures to support the practice of slavery or discrimination. Their old religious maps worked well at some point. In our modern age, however, women demand equality; suppressed groups want an end to discrimination, the development of nuclear weapons demand that humanity abolish war; and global warming demands that humanity work as one regardless of religious, racial, national and cultural backgrounds. It’s a dilemma that can be ended by first clarifying the universal purpose of religion. @@Marey-hw6wn
Our sabbath rest is in Christ it always was
No Holy Sunday sabbath Myles it will remain the same sabbath day is from Friday afternoon sun down to Saturday afternoon sun down and this IS THE ONLY HOLY SABBATH DAY THAT NEW CREATION IS COMING WHEN YOUR LORD JESUS CHRIST COMES TO PICK US UP UP THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST KING OF KINGS LORD OF LORDS KING OF KINGS PRAISE JESUS CHRIST AMEN ❤🙏
NO SUNDAY LAW EITHER Richard, for the term was cenceived in hell before your cult start to propagate it.
The Bible don't mentioned it even remotely, nor anything àbout à 2 part atonement that runs along a IJ.
Its all SDA hogwash.
Yeah but you got to remember even you were halfway close in keeping the Sabbath you have never kept the commandant and you've never had the first commandment because the Jesus SDA speaks of is not the Jesus of Hebrews 7! You're using the name Jesus but that's not the Jesus of Hebrews 7!. Who does nothing at the altar 7:13.
It's amazing to me how thoroughly the NT declares the old covenant obsolete and replaced by the covenant in Christ's blood enlivened by the Holy Spirit giving us new birth!
I will stop watching porn , playing video games and look at magic on 16th/April/2024 9:34
You should stop looking at porn immediately and repent.
@@answeringadventismthat is not how it works. Only Christ can deliver us from sin. He needs to cry out to God for deliverance. You are advocating righteousness by works. Christ was compassionate when dealing with sinners. He is our example.
Christ kept the Sabbath and so did his disciples who later became apostles. Scripture was twisted in this presentation. Not persecuting/killing SDAs is viewed as a good thing and yet keeping the Sabbath is legalism.
FOR WHEN THE TIME HAD COME GOD SENT HIS SON BORN OF A WOMAN WHO WAS BORN UNDER THE LAW TO REDEEM THOSE UNDER THE LAW.
DEFINITION OF REDEEM
Délivrance
To rescue
@@benitamuzamhindo1464 thanks you for your comment and hope god bless you all and sabbath happy new year
@@charnelallan7159 thanks you for your comment and hope god bless you all and sabbath happy new year
Mark 12:17 And Jesus answered and said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they marveled at Him.
church cannot enforce morality with the help of the state, that always leads to persecutions
Mark 12:17 does not support your assertions at all. The magistrate and the Church have different spheres of legitimate authority, but ALL authority is borrowed from God. What you are in effect saying is that Caesar has his own sphere in which he can do as he pleases. This notion has no Biblical support whatsoever. Ceasar’s job is to instill fear in evildoers and to properly use its “sword” to mete out justice.
@@jonasaras "Mark 12:17 does not support your assertions at all. " no it does
"The magistrate and the Church have different spheres of legitimate authority, but ALL authority is borrowed from God" Agree
"What you are in effect saying is that Caesar has his own sphere in which he can do as he pleases."
No, please show where I said that Caesar can do as he pleases
"This notion has no Biblical support whatsoever. Ceasar’s job is to instill fear in evildoers and to properly use its “sword” to mete out justice."
Who is the evildoers? isn't it the ones who FORCE their own religious ideologies onto others,
Where in the bible does God force anyone to follow him?
@@lesirterholland5186Your diagnosis of the issue is faulty. Ceasar is going to be enforcing someone's "religious" values. There is no escaping that. Currently, in our country, he is enforcing pre-Judaic paganism, including child sacrifice. YOU may want to roll with that. Ceasar should be enforcing true, objective values that come from outside his domain; those given by God. Those are the two choices. The notion that Ceasar is some sort of neutral arbiter has been completely smashed as a false idol. Note that this does not mean that religious worship is forced upon anyone, but it would preclude aberrant religious practices like female genital mutilation.
@@jonasaras "Your diagnosis of the issue is faulty."
no its not
"Ceasar is going to be enforcing someone's "religious" values."
again no, Ceasar judge someone base on their actions whereas God judge the heart
if I hate someone without a cause, I am a murderer in the eyes of God, now you tell me, can ceasar convict me for the crime of murder for hating my brother?
You are a cute young man and full of energy but you left out so many arguments defending the Law , the beautiful character of God (Jesus ) is His Law and re Sabbath the 4 commandment in honoring the Sabbath . One out of many defenders for the actual Sabbath of the Law of God is, He wrote it w His Finger , another is please read in complete Hebrews 4:4 where it states “ No other day has been given “
Also if you take away one jot or title of the Sabbath commandment, why not change all the others to your liking as well , seems like you will get to that soon .
This nation was established by men and women who wanted to get AWAY fr religious Tyranny ie Church over State !!! It gets down to AUTHORITY, do you choose the Papal Sabbath or the Sabbath of the 4 Commandment written by the Finger of God as your Authority . The Catholic Popes take proud responsibility for changing the day of worship as you well know . Read Romes Challenge
Because that had nothing to do with the thesis of this video and Doug is a busy man. This wasn’t an exhaustive discussion about every topic under the sun. I plainly stated what the thesis was.
What a nightmare of an interview. We are dead to the law. Redeemed from the law. Led by the spirit! No sat or sun day law at all!
Appreciate your ministry a lot but, oh dear, Doug Wilson is not a good voice to be partnering with and platforming.
I know he's got a reputation for being controversial and he seems to be proud of that (despite that being something that should disqualify him from the pastorate) and thus many people dismiss that with a wink because he claims to be reformed. However, his crude language, divisiveness, horrific statements on slavery and women, history of misconduct and pastoral malpractice are only the fruit from the tree. Doug Wilson's theology on Election, Justification and the role works play in one's salvation have been flagged as heretical by many within the reformed tradition.
The OPC, the PCA, the RPCNA, the RCUS and URCNA have all rejected Federal Vision. There's plenty out there on the subject.
Though Douglas Wilson no longer identifies with the Federal Vision label, he stated 'I would still want affirm everything I signed off on in the Federal Vision statement' and the change of terminology used "...does not represent any substantial shift or sea change in the content of what I believe."
I'm aware. This had nothing to do with partnering with Doug. I stated the thesis at the beginning. It was to test a claim with the primary source.
Its incredible how this presenter somehow states that not persecuting SDAs or not killing them is a good thing in defence of nationalism and yet on the other hand keeping the Sabbath is legalism. The 7th day Sabbath is a perpetual reminder of God as Creator and our Redeemer. He sanctified the Sabbath and set it apart from the rest of the days. God calls it his holiday and yet you folks choose to honour a day he did not bless as special. The Sabbath is one of the 10 Commandments that were written on stone by God's own finger implying that no man can change his laws. It is clear that the Roman Catholic Church changed the Seventh Day Sabbath to the first day of the week, Sunday. God predicted in the books of Daniel and Revelation that Sabbath would be changed to Sunday. In Matthew 24:20, Christ prophesied that the temple would be destroyed and went on to say the disciples pray that the day would not be on Sabbath. The temple was destroyed in AD 70, 59 years after Christ's death. Why would Christ have stated to his disciples to pray their flight would not be on the Sabbath if he knew it was going to be changed?
Do your research people about the history of the change of Sabbath Day to Sunday or you will get the Mark of the Beast.
Nationalism is unbiblical because clearly Jesus stated " render to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's. Nationalism is dangerous because the result of merging the state and religion is persecution.
You folks are blind concerning the work that is being done in all kinds of forms in order to make Sunday the day of rest and worship just as predicted in the bible and also by EGW. I am glad the day is coming when the servant of the Lord will be vindicated.
Show me sunday law in the Bible. Don't run
@@charnelallan7159 if you dig into the word of God without preconceived ideas, you will find the Sunday law in the bible.
It's incredible how poor your listening skills are.
@answeringadventism it's incredible how scripture is twisted to support Sunday worship and to defend the notion that Sunday is now the day of worship.
Dig into which scriptures? Can't find sunday law nowhere ? Show me
the seven day adventist are really seventh day inventist
Perhaps next time you could interview someone with knowledge on the subject instead of someone that has no clue.... It's like asking a guy on the street what's going on inside the CIA... Complete waste of time.
Then don’t watch. You obviously didn’t listen to the thesis of why this discussion was had.
I know numerous Adventists that point to Doug Wilson claiming he is part of the modern push for passing a Sunday law. So, yeah, I think the person in question is knowledgeable on the subject of his own desires and actions. Which was the entire point and was stated 3 times throughout.
@@answeringadventism Well if he's an author, speaker and pastor then he has no authority to pass any sort of laws/legislation therefore the program Was pointless on those very obvious grounds Regardless of what anyone is saying.... Besides if he had any ill intent he wouldn't tell you anyways. It didn't take a Video, It could have been done in less than 20 words.... My original comment stands.
@@theoutlander9564 no, you just don’t even know why the discussion was had which is why you’re confused.
The only knowledge we need to have is that the Word of God mentioned NOTHING about a sabbath law, nor that our salvation will depends on what day of the week we pray to God.
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Oh really?
Since when is a person salvation link to the day that he worship on?
I keep on missing that scripture, or was that add to the Bible in 1844?
Response to Doug Wilson on the video at 17:29 (“My 1st day of the week
Sabbatarianism”
For the record, may I categorically state that the Sabbath was not given in Exodus
20:8-11 for the first time, but rather point out that the Sabbath was instituted by
God on the week of creation (Genesis 2:1-3). This Sabbath established at creation
by God was on the Seventh day. This day was / is blessed, sanctified and
hallowed… (Genesis 2: 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in
it he had rested from all his work which God created and made).
The Sabbath of God can only be on the seventh day. Man’s ‘Sabbath’ (if any) can be on any day
[including the first day] - but to keep God’s biblical Sabbath, it MUST be on the Seventh day.
See the clear wordings of Exodus 20:8-11, esp. verse 10-11; “
10 but the seventh day is the
Sabbath of the LORD thy God: …….:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and
rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Note verse 10... But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God. The only day that
can be the Sabbath of the Lord is the SEVENTH.
Verse 11 puts it plain; that whereas in Genesis 2:1-3 says God blessed the Seventh day, in
Exodus 20:11, God blessed the Sabbath day. In other words, the Sabbath is another name
of the Seventh day.
You quoting Revelation 21:5 at 16:12 I believe was a slip of the tongue. Read
Revelation 21 in its context- this talks of the new heavens and new earth after sin
and sinners has been eradicated. Read Isaiah 66:22-23. Every Sabbath day in the
new earth we shall worship God-Sabbath being every Seventh day.
No scriptural prove for change of God’s Bible Sabbath day from the Seventh day to
the first day.
If there can be legislation for the other laws on the table, so be it, the difference is
legislation to observe them as they are in scripture is different from legislation to
observe a changed law. If there can be legislation to enforce do not kill, the do not
kill is not to be changed,; equally legislation to observe the Sabbath day should
follow the same trend- the remember the Sabbath day should remain the Seventh
day
No, you are wrong about when the Sabbath forms part of a covenant between God and Israel.
I suggest you borrow a Bible and then go read Deut. 5
It was sad to hear that you are still under the schoolmaster, please ask Jesus to open your eyes to know the truth so that you also can gèt faith in Him.
Galatians 3
Psalms 147:19-20 (NASB) He declares His words to Jacob, His statutes and His ordinances to Israel. 20 He has not dealt thus with any nation; And as for His ordinances, they have not known them. Praise the LORD!
Whoever told you God gave His Law to Adam and Eve is FULL OF CRAPOLA.
@@awblanchard23
*EXACTLY*
@@Marey-hw6wn Is it ever okay to kill; to steal, to worship images, to take the name of the Lord in vain- i believe you answered nay. Is it the Sabbath only that to you is a school master but the rest of the 9 commandments are valid today?
@@awblanchard23 Cain killed Abel and it was counted to him a murderer, 1 john 3:12. Joseph refused to have sex with Potiphar's wife because he (joseph) feared God- [What do you believe informed Joseph's decision-Read Gen 39:9. By that time the Ten commandments had not been given to Israel as a Nation through Moses. Does that mean people were free to commit adultery, steal, kill and break the Sabbath among other commandments just because the Law had not been given to Israel? The commandments of God did not originate at Sinai but are forever the Character of God that runs His government (both in heaven and on earth). God comments Abraham in Gen 18:19 that he knows Abraham would command his house to keep the law of God. Imagine that!- way back before sinai; In short ,; before Sinai Cain is pronounced a Murder (Do not Kill)'; Joseph knew about all the Ten commandments).
SDA’s are not arguing that you need a verbatim statement for the change of the Sabbath.. that’s a straw man argument. …the argument is that there is not solid biblical evidence for a change of the Sabbath. And the fact that there is no CLEAR evidence for the change of Sabbath is obvious. The claim that we are in a new creation and that therefore there would be a new Sabbath is just plain false. The Bible never tells us that we are living in a new creation after the cross; what it says is that we can be new creatures in Christ by faith. It has nothing to do with the creation of the earth or a new creation of it. There will be a new heaven and a new earth after the second coming which makes this all the more clear. Christ rested on the Sabbath in His death and ROSE from RESTING on the first day of the week- Sunday. To say that again, Jesus literally rested on the 7th day Sabbath in His death, and ceased from resting on the 1st day Sunday! Is He resting now? No. He ascended to do the work of intercession, to say the least. To use the claim of a new creation as your foundational argument is the epitome of building upon sand, while at the same time disregarding far more solid and numerous biblical evidence that the Sabbath, or none of the Ten Commandments for that matter would ever be changed. Anyone with any real sincerity and love for the truth will see the glaring disparity here in comparing the Sabbath of God written by His own finger in stone to the Sabbath of man-made tradition and private interpretation.
You obviously haven’t engaged with enough SDAs then. Because yes, tooooons of SDA argue exactly that, utilizing the verbatim fallacy. We literally just looked at an example of this last week. We also responded to Doug Batchelor where he did so at least 5 times in a 50 minute span. Yes, lots of Adventists argue exactly that. I’ve engaged literally thousands of them.
But not surprising considering you don’t understand new creation. The Bible doesn’t clearly teach that the Second Adam came to redeem that which the first Adam broke? Interesting. Ironically, you cite 2 Corinthians 5:17 as the only clear place of a new creation, acting as though a verbatim phrase is the only way it can clearly be taught lol
I mean, you even use the “finger of god on stone” argument after saying the law can’t change. The ceremonial form of the command changes between exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5 like Doug pointed out. Both were written on stone. Yes, it can change. It has changed. You guys don’t even understand the difference between the form of the command and the substance. Doug and I are sabbatarians. We don’t claim the law has changed. The ceremonial form isn’t the substance. You guys are anemic in this area yet think you have it mastered.
“Anyone with real sincerity”
Yeah, no one had real sincerity until Adventists came along. Good one. Or maybe it’s that you guys don’t know what you’re talking about and it isn’t everyone else that’s a part of a grand conspiracy.
@@answeringadventism first of all I’m not SDA… but ok, this is what I’m saying. I’m saying that the verbatim argument is silly anyways because of course Bible truth is often not given verbatim, but “line upon line”… the problem is that you are not rightly dividing the word in two main points:
1. That the new creation is the foundation of the “new Sabbath”. Anyone with any sincerity can see that’s an incredibly weak argument for a change of the Sabbath because we obviously are not in the new creation yet since that is made after the second coming of Christ. We are a new creation, clearly not in one yet.
2. You pointed out that the law can be changed because the ceremonial law was changed and there are two distinct laws.
That’s right! So what are the two distinct laws? And which was changed? The answer is actually very easy. Did I say there were no sincere people until SDA’s? Not in anyway, but you are always very quick to try and demonize and accuse anyone who disagrees with you, and that’s far from the character of Christ.
This nature of the Ten Commandments should really be a non-issue for “Bible-believing” Christians.
It’s really basic and elementary Bible doctrine.
This is really a sad mishandling of the word of God.
I’d love to debate you on this topic or on the everlasting gospel, as I’ve offered before.
You’ve been poking at straw men.
You argue that SDA’s don’t really preach the gospel, and I’d agree; but neither do you. The reason is because there is no real depth or beauty to the counterfeit gospel you’re teaching. You do what everyone else is doing these days, including SDA’s, and preaching a negative message based on who’s wrong.
And for the record, I believe there were and are sincere people believing and teaching the actual truth of Scripture past and present, but that they are few and far between as it always has been. “Narrow is the way…
And EVEN IF we were in a New Creation, which we are not since Scripture teaches the creation is ACTUALLY made new AFTER the second coming; but EVEN IF it did teach we are presently in the new creation, there is no biblical evidence for the Sabbath changing.
There is, in fact, strong evidence for it not changing in that Jesus kept it in His death. So even if it were a new creation, by His clear and simple to understand EXAMPLE, He RESTED on the Sabbath after His death, and CEASED FROM RESTING on the 1st day- Sunday.
Thus, the true Lord’s day is the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments.
And by His EXAMPLE AFTER the cross, He shows no change in the Sabbath.
Clear, simple, and solid as a true interpretation of scripture should be.
And would you really try to claim this new creation argument is any of those things?