Horde, specifically tauren. Their relationship with nature and their peacefulness is such a draw to me. Mulgore is such a beautiful and calming zone, I can't wait to level there.
@@mutatedllama have to agree love Mulgore it's just so calm and the music... I still listen to music/ambience when I need to de-stress and relax or when I'm having problems sleeping lol
It will depend how many IRL/familiarize friends I will be able to bring along. I'm flexible but I can see myself playing Horde once more. Basicly playing where most people want to go with but all that aside I'll give my thoughts on wow Classic as for faction, class and race (never played shadow priest but since we get 16 debuff slots from the start, is interesting ). IF Horde: UD mage or UD (shadow) priest as first pick/mains & warlock/shaman as 2nd, alts. Still have a found memory from vanilla, rank 11 with 2h mace TuF on tauren Enh =) IF Alliance: Ehh I guess Mage or hunter as mains & rogue/warrior as alts (got a friend who REALLY wants to play loladin healer) My friends and I, due to our situation in real life (work, family etc) are debating if we're going pvp or pve (EU server). If I'm not misstaken I recall you mentioned you might play on some EU one day. Would love to hang out with you guys. Will I focus more on pvp, pve or around 50/50 is something I can only speculate atm. Anyway enough of me rambling here.
This is the kind of thinking the WoW community needs more of, this sort of stuff gets completely left behind but its SO important to the 'feel' of the game.
I agree completely. The enormous amount of classic wow 'content creators' that have popped up in the last year provide information on things such as class balance, which class to play, which race is the best, etc. For a 'veteran' like myself, none of that info is new to me (and is sometimes inaccurate in my opinion). At the end of the day my rule is play whatever 'feels' right to you and make it work (this should be easy if you like your toon enough).
Agree with this strongly. I don't remember, in vanilla, anyone caring about optimal builds or esports. It was far more of an RPG with people wanting to progress a character, rather than just progress as far as they could. For every hardcore guild pushing Naxx, there were 5 guilds working their way through MC with feral druids, enhancement shaman and Ret pallys.
Yes, in classic WoW (and most of WoW) both Alliance and Horde have their own shades of good and evil. Though arguably in modern WoW Horde is just evil (so long as it's led by Sylvanas at any rate). Another reason why old WoW used to be better, because it's way more interesting when you have two sides, two opposing factions that are both reletable and have fair positions to stand on.
That's one thing that always bugged me after playing horde for so many years, Even after spending in game decades of your character doing good and such. Horde just always got written as bad guys since cata and beyond, eventually you get tired of being the underdog.
@@codycoy2943 It's been like that since 1994 with Warcraft Orcs and Humans. WoW is set after the war and the Horde free from bloodlust are trying to build a life in this new world. It only makes sense they are still seen as the bad guys to the alliance races after so many years of bloodshed.
@@lazydaze3134 The difference is that Cody Coy mentioned Horde is *written* as the bad guys, which is not the same as just being seen as the bad guys. The latter is understandable and just a matter of perspective, which doesn't necessarily reflect the true state of things. The former is just.. Well, what Garrosh and now Sylvanas do.
When I was creating my first character I was playing the demo during Wrath. I thought Paladin sounded cool so I picked Human. I leveled all the way to 80 only learning bits and pieces about the Horde (I first learned Thrall's name from Jaina at the end of the missing Diplomat questline). Then I tried making a DK and honestly was really bothered by all the slaughter and mayhem I was doing among the townspeople. But then I realized that was kind of the point because the DKs were supposed to be evil. Then I made my first Horde character - a Blood Elf Paladin. And everything was fine until she got to Tarren Mill and was sent on pretty much the exact same slaughter and mayhem quests by the Forsaken. I still play that character today - she is one of the 3 120s I currently have - but I have always considered the Horde the evil side due to the Forsaken being allow in as members.
TBH, my issue with the BFA story is not sylv herself, she was ALWAYS a bitch, so she was at least consistent, as much as I hate her, and the forsaken being evil, cartoon villians in general. No, my real issue the lack of opposition against her outside of saurfang is the real issue, WHY ARE THE TAUREN, TROLLS, AND PANDAS EVER FOLLOWING HER? WHY?!? This makes no sense. I FUCKING HATE THE HORDE STORY FOR BFA, they made them evil constantly, and kept hitting them with the villian bat since cata. I guess this is what happens when blizz focuses ONLY on the two most evil parts of the horde, many of the evil orcs, and the forsaken as a whole, leaving tauren, trolls, and pandas out as a whole, who are doing literally NOTHING against her, which is why the horde is written as evil, because they NEVER FOCUSED ON THE MORAL SIDE, only the evil side, that's retarded. Also, her being warchief, and having all this power to do all this evil shit in legion, before she became warchief in legion for some retarded reason, she was perfectly fine, and her character was not an issue as a sort of side character. I am perfectly fine with sylv being an evil bitch, as it is in character for her, but my real issue with BFA, and making the horde evil is both that she is warchief, thus taking complete control of the story, and tainting the horde faction identity in the process as horde, is the lack of opposition of the more moral races, which is RETARDED, guess blizz is too lazy to do anything with them, and give them actual opposing opinions, nope! Gotta lump all of them as evil. BFA war campaign would be perfectly fine as an undead, and MAYBE a goblin...but no one else, not orcs with saurfang in charge, not tauren/trolls/pandas for obvious reasons, not belfs, who got better after cata, they went through shit like that before, so why now? Seriously, this expansion only makes sense for forsaken, maybe the goblins, and and no one else, which is retarded, why the fuck would my tauren EVER take part in the BFA war campaign? Guess he has to either be retconned entirely for the story to make sense, or I have to faction change, and RP him as a kind of emisarry/tauren who wants to help the nelfs protect teldrassil from sylvanas if I want to save his character. If there was some silver lining, and it shows the alliance actually being a threat, and trying to attack the horde, I would be much happier, but nope, the horde burned A FUCKING CAPITAL, AND KILLED CIVILLIANS when the alliance did NOTHING to provoke it, and then sylv kills horde soldiers, and blighted undercity while the allies stood there doing nothing like the passive retards they were. Anduin literally wants peace, and would allow ANYONE in the alliance, hell even pretty much almost all the forsaken, EXCEPT SYLVANAS, he knows that the problem with the forsaken is not the forsaken itself, it is sylvanas the bitch ruining everything, and genn/jaina/rogers are not doing anything, or showing any oppostion towards anduin in BFA, guess they were perfectly fine with the horde after genn's attack on sylv in legion. The alliance literally did NOTHING before it, outside of genn attacking sylv in legion, and that was cause sylv was being an evil bitch even there, plus he was justifiably angry after having his son killed, even if it is not her intended target, and she burned the night elf capital, and killed tons of civillains thus putting TONS of danger on the horde when there was originally NONE, so the survival angle does not work, cause sylv was the fucking cause of the horde having to defend themselves against the allies in the first place. Great fucking job! Fuck you blizz, fix your storyline, allow descenting opinions, and writing the horde as evil! MAYBE then I can play this shitfest of an expansion, just gotta remove timegating, azerite grinding, pruning, and add some content I actually fucking care about, this is literally a shittier legion! Please!
As a Tolkien fan, Gotta stay with the Alliance, The nightelves, dwarves and humans are my fave races. Especially the dwarves. Can't forget the moment I walked in Ironforge and heard that majestic music for the first time.
Know what you mean, when i decide to roll alliance for a change i always choose dwarf, as for soundtracks i kinda had a simmilar feeling when i first entered orgrimar
I want to vomit when i see alliances and im also Tolkien fan. There is just something dark and fake about this faction. Not to mention what kinds of player plays alliances. Horde forever !!!!!
Fantastic video! WoW has never been just a "normal" game for me but something much more meaningful. It was my childhood, teenage years and adult life all in one package and the history behind the game, the lore, the places, the people that we've met throughout the years and all of it combined shows how deeply we resonate with the game. There's a reason why people are hyped for Classic and it's because this is the true version where the old-school RPG elements go hand in hand with the gameplay!
All of us former kids are slowly turning in to massive nerd-dads who overexplain our passion about the games we played as children. The cycle is nearly complete.
I even called this shit this comment has alot of likes because werid boys rule Wow now classic wow alliance will be filled with snowflakes and tbc babies horde will be filled with hipsters and good players.
I played Horde during Vanilla, a Tauren Shaman. I just liked the idea of being part of band of underdogs, and a big cow that shoots lightning and can heal.
I love the ideaology of the Horde, but the early Alliance zones are so much nicer to play through. The Humans in particular have so much variety. The first is a simple, green forest. Next comes a very yellow-paletted countryside, followed by red mountains and a lake, and then a creepy, mist-filled forest. Horde? Here, have a big piece of empty land that looks the same for the first 25 levels.
@@Egroegnotlihc Yeah, i'm not buying an x-ray machine nor am I cutting myself open just give me some sort of weird desire to play a digital race in a game...besides, horde can't be paladins....and I'm going to play a paladin because I'm old but still enjoy porn.
@@leeroyjeeeeenkins I bought that game years ago on GOG, played for a couple hours. Gonna check it out again, it was pretty cool tbh. I think it lacked any kind of music / ambience which really kind of sucked but i just put on "Two Steps From Hell" at the time.
My first character was a undead warlock and the story of the undead is just way too compelling for me to pick anything else. Plus the feeling of being in eastern kingdoms a nation surrounded by the proud and cruel alliance feels exciting when leveling.
@Josip That's a good way to put it. Undead is like playing the "Horde of the Horde," where the Forsaken are to the rest of the Horde as the Horde itself is to the Alliance. They're the rebel's rebel.
Facts. I swear the asset artists use the Orc model when they design armor. Then just scale it as awkwardly as possible for the other classes. Also, they complete shit the bed on the helms for trolls. 1 out of every 10 helms look halfway decent, 1 out of 100 actually look pretty good on Trolls. 90-,,99% of helms look like trash on Trolls. Almost looks like someone stapled 2 bananas on a rotten pear, then shoved all that into a tea cup or something.
You are my hero! I've been trying to find something to introduce my wife to the factions without all that mess about min/maxing race/class/faction combos. She's finally agreed to play WoW with me when Classic comes out. Retail is so huge that it's overwhelming to her to try to start there, so Classic seemed a perfect opportunity to get her into the game. So, I showed this video to my wife and she's now happily chewing on all this delicious info to decide which faction she wants us to play. I've done both, so I'm indifferent and just want to experience my old game through her new eyes. All we know for sure is that she wants to warrior tank, which means I'm rolling a pocket healer for her. Still don't know what class I want to do that with, though, since we don't plan to PvP. No matter what faction, class, or race we choose, though, this is going to be an amazing adventure!
Liked, subscribed and clicked the notification bell! This aspect of Warcraft has always been the most important to me, but often the most overlooked by the wider community as a whole. Good job!
The reason why I went Horde and not Alliance was because the Horde had more choice with races. In Vanilla you can pick from Orcs, Forsaken, Trolls, and Tauren, while on the Alliance you can pick from Humans, Dwarfs (smaller humans), Gnomes (even smaller humans), and Night Elves (humans with pointy ears). And this did not sit well with me back when I was 12, so I went Horde and rolled an Orc Hunter. Now that I am older and Vanilla is coming back, I might go Alliance.
im feeling sorta the same right now.. i was playing horde cuz all my friends did.. i was sure to play horde again. then i remembered how much i admired the looks of the night elves.. and the neater look of the alliances buildings in general... but now that im thinking of actually switching in classic.. i feel like im gonna miss all this mess over there xD
I've always felt that the Alliance, as a Faction, is more representative of my personality and way of life but the races of the Horde (outside of the Undead) have always had a stronger calling to me. The Shamanistic and Warrior-type lifestyle of the Orcs, Trolls and Tauren is fantastic and automatic sell for me personally.
Thank you for this amazing video! As WoW Classic has been getting closer and closer I've been struggling to pick what faction I want to play. I want to play Druid, so the choice was down to Horde vs Alliance. I've been a Horde player for all my life. I started playing the game at a very early age and really appreciated the lore behind the Horde, especially while playing WC3. Now that I'm older, I can't help but understand and appreciate the Alliance, and what they stand for, plus the more I've been reading about the Night Elves, the more I became fascinated with their culture. Your video is what allowed me to come to my conclusion that I will roll a Night Elf Druid come Classic, and play Alliance for the first time.
Beautiful video. Made perfect sense. But I’m still torn between which faction to pick. Based on my own life experiences, both factions speak very loudly to me.
When the taurens kept dying to questing mobs in the barrens, the orcs gave them a party invite. When the blood elves were dying to I think the scourge, the alliance did not give them a party invite. I would prefer playing with people who would help me out, so I pick horde.
I’ve never held a strong loyalty to either faction - I’ve played both sides with for roughly equal time even going back to the Warcraft II days. When I first booted up Warcraft II, I gravitated to the Orcish Horde, as they were immediately identifiable as the “cooler” side, especially with their original death knights. As I got a bit older, I grew to appreciate the Alliance and what it represented: the defense of your world and the order it brings. I didn’t really enjoy Warcraft 3 all that much (heresy, I know), but I enjoyed the lore it brought to the table. It didn’t sway my faction loyalties either way, as my new favorite race, the Naga, were not allied with either. When WoW came out, I started with the Alliance, but didn’t accomplish much. It wasn’t until a year later after the honor system came out that I rerolled onto a new server as Horde that I made my first real “main” and founded the top PvP guild of the server. Of course I played an undead rogue… why do you ask? Even though I spent more time as Horde during the vanilla days… I have to admit, I identify with the Alliance much more. Ironforge is the best dang city in the game. The music that plays in Stormwind and Ironforge gives me nostalgia like no other. When Classic comes around, I know where I’ll be. Well, I’ll have to; I want to be a paladin after all. I didn’t choose the Alliance; the Alliance chose me. FOR KHAZ MODAN!
The way you tell the details, characteristics and motivations for each faction and race fills so much life and pation into WoW classic, as a player who played from the start this really conveys strong emotions and feelings. Lets fill WoW classic with life again, 27th august. For the alliance, and for the horde!
Nice video!! I've been in love with the Forsaken since I first played warcraft 3, but each of the horde races have something to them worth loving, and there are none that I'd feel reluctant to play. I really appreciate that they're all so different - there's something really interesting about these groups with different histories, values, and even goals having to work together and dealing with those differences. A tauren and an undead couldn't be further apart culturally - coming from different continents, having vastly different experiences in life, and regarding the natural world in completely different ways - which makes it really satisfying and kind of heart warming seeing them stand together. They'll never see eye-to-eye, but they're forced through proximity to share their experiences with one another. If you're reading this as an alliance player: gnomes are okay. Everyone else is KOS.
cool grandma so many little griefing gnome rogue bastards. I remember using the aoe fire totem in badlands even though it wasn’t mana efficient to keep those little stealthing assholes off me. Yeah- I got my hate for gnomes to this day from back in vanilla. Good/Bad times!
I'm a lifelong Horde Player who always played Tauren, Orc and Troll races. I like these peaceful, beautiful and colorful creatures that are in touch with nature and also the fact that they had to fight to carve a place for themselves in Kalimdor. Why would I play a fantasy game, and choose to be a Human, a short human or a mini human when I can be something that I can't be IRL? Mulgore looks amazing. Orc's wolves look amazing. Troll's mohawks look amazing. Thrall, Vol'jin, Saurfang, and Cairne all look like imposing but benevolent leaders I'd willingly follow anywhere. Lor'Themar Theron has been a pleasant surprise too, and the Blood Elven looks, themes and cultures are just fantasy inducing (sorry Forsaken, nothing good to say about you except for the fact that Undercity looks cool). Their stories spoke to me the most: victims of violence and racism, pushed away from their lands, controlled by mightier powers, in the end united behind one leader (I played Warcraft before WoW and the Orc campaign was my favorite); the more civilized cultures just brush them under the rug like they are inferior races. So I've always been a proud Horde player. I however was pulled into the alliance in Classic because all my friends were playing alliance (in retail I was playing solo). And I gotta say, there is no city like Ironforge. There are no racials like the weapons specialization. There is no better animation than the Night Elven jump (it does make a difference: if you're gonna spend hundreds or potentially thousands of hours looking at an avatar, it might as well be funny and good looking). Their mounts look amazing too. There will always be great upsides to whichever faction you choose, and there will always be many reasons to choose them: friends, storyline, aesthetics. I don't think there's any wrong choice, just play whatever you feel like playing the most. Same goes for classes. Right now me and my friends are 3 Warriors and 1 Pala, but we don't care, the most important thing is being able to enjoy the game.
Nobody expects Warcraft vexillology! A curious analysis, but I can't say it's wrong - reverse-engineering the design seems to confirm it fits. I played both factions in vanilla at different points, but Horde was always my home first. For me it was always the home grounds of each race, the level 1-20 zones, that best spoke of and defined their character post-WC3. In this sense, while I could connect very well to the humans and their slice of the world, and felt like a welcome guest in the dwarves' and a survivor in the Forsaken's, it was always the wilderness of middle Kalimdor that spoke to me best. After TFT, the part of lore that intrigued me most is what the races of Thrall's motley alliance would get up to next, how they will settle in their lands that are all but untamed save for Mulgore's balanced cycle of natural life. And I was in love with the Tauren's feel and the New Horde of the orcs and how they temper their warlike nature, so unsurprisingly, my first characters were all Tauren - it's their peaceful strength and reverent forbearance combined with a chill gardener's approach to the world around them (as opposed to the risk of sanctimony and overbearingness present in paladins) that drew me first and foremost, and to this day Tauren remain the perfect race for me. After that, though, are orcs and trolls - the orcs' nature and fate in the new world, their struggles and successes and lessons always spoke to me too, and the trolls are better survivors and scrappers than the Forsaken and I always wanted to see how they will blossom next. It's only after those that humans and Forsaken are tied for race connection, with dwarves and gnomes next and night elves bringing up the rear due to their significant change from WC3's warlike savagery (which I found awesome for elves and couldn't get enough of) to WoW's almost jarringly different Tolkien Lorien style and their environment feeling "constructed" and weird, like a sort of strange reverse mirror to the Tauren lands due to the elves growing their tree out of nowhere and all of their lands save for Ashenvale feeling a little off to me (Felwood being an odd exception).
This video is awesome, when you begin appreciating the lore and fantasy you really open up a whole other part of the game (the rpg portion lost in modern wow) and it adds whole new layers of depth, thinking, and perception....this video encapsulates that perfectly.
This video is outstanding in pretty much every way, from mentioning MadSeason (who is a credit to the community) to highlighting what each faction truly represents at the time of Classic WoW. It dismays me to no end that someone like Sylvanas was allowed to become the face of the once proud, honorable Horde and to see the current storyline betray its simple, yet gratifying roots.
Im torn between alliance and horde, i mained alliance in vanilla i think overall lore is better on alliance side but early leveling zones like the Barrens and it's dungeons are a lot more fun than Westfall and its dungeon. But Alliance has much more colorful leveling zones and im a man of colors and im a fan of the Free peoples of Middle earth of lotr. Im still torned between the factions i might wanna experience something New by Rolling Horde since i mained Alliance.
The horde was so much wiser in Warcraft 3. Honestly without Jaina the scourge might have already been the end of the alliance or at least the humans. On my way to the bc exp
The first character I made was a night elf priest; I played him for a day. I decided to make an Orc warrior alt just to practice a little bit before returning my night elf priest... but, once you go green you don't go back. I played Horde for 3 years straight back in Vanilla.
Such a good video! THIS is what Vanilla WoW was all about! The lore, the aesthetics, the feel, being part of a community and something BIG! For me it's Horde all the way - even though I am a huge Tolkien fan. I will roll a Dwarf though - in addition to main and alts on the Horde side - just to experience the zones and music in the Alliance part of the world. Really excited for WoW Classic! Hope one day Acti-Blizzard will release Classic TBC - I am sure they will, even though some claim it won't happen.
Undead warlock. Undead because you dont have to waste money on food and warlock because of the fun rituals you can do and the havoc you can bring to both friend and foe. Im talking about the infernal.
The Aliance is a absolute monarchy with a group of vassalles. The HORDE is a tribel confederation. That is how I see it. Because of that reason I was confused that the night elves joined the Aliance
I think the reason why the Night Elves joined the Alliance was because they have a common enemy being the Orcs as they killed some important character I can't remember.
@@RocketeerRaccoon the first conflict came from hellscream chopping trees. At this moment they didn't know each other. Thrall and Jaina help the night elves later on. It's just that if you look at the culture of the night elves, they have more in common with the Tauren and Trolls and the idea of Thrall to return his people to shamanism. After all the Aliance was the "good guys" faction. Going after Tolkien elves are good.
10:40 beautifully said. Ive always been a horde player and will continue going back to classic. Racials are nice and all but at the end of the day its about that connection to the world that is most important to me.....oh and Will of the forsaken in pvp.
yeh, actually in vanilla/early wow lore I would say the horde is the more positive option, but I am hell-bent on serving the alliance, merely for player experience.
I wish there were more videos like this, loved it! Perhaps you could do one on how Blizzard feeds the faction-hatred in vanilla. I always liked how when you start the game the quests and even text-colors for certain areas really hammer in the whole 'the other faction is the enemy!'
Great job, Meld. When i started to play WoW in the end of 2009, i choose de horde because my friends played on the horde, but i never identified me with de horde. After few weeks, i changed for the alliance because i love their lore on Warcraft and the leaders have the qualities and personalities who i admire, specially Varian, Jaina, Muradin, Anduin Lothar, Turalyon and Magni. At the classic i will play on the alliance with proud and ready to defend her.
I appreciate Madseason so much and has been on his channel since he started with his WoW videos but you guys are making very good videos as well. This video was awesome. Thanks.
Horde vs Alliance is why I love Vanilla. Each faction would be a complete game in themselves, but they exist together. 2 faction PvP is just the coolest thing in any game, and keeps the replayability insanely high.
As a woman, I am super annoyed by women who play Alliance they are ssuperbasic Mary Sue's. They all wanna be freaking elves, smh. I am so proud to be for the Horde and a Forsaken to boot.
As a long time hord player I am tempted to pick alliance this time. From the alliance view a wide range of quests and zones are totally unknown to me (never past lvl 5 on alliance side). Because of this it could be like a second „kind-of-first“ wow experience to me :). Wow with a different and a classic feeling to it at the same time. Maybe wired or great who knows.
Enjoy the vid but the Alliance is Blue because they were blue player in campaign in WC2 and WC3. Horde is red because Orcs were red in campaign in WC2 and WC3. Red/Blue were the default colors because they are high contrast to the green grass and white snow backgrounds in WC2 and also provide contrast to people with the most common forms of color blindness. That answer doesn't make as fun of a video I guess though. :)
As a Horde player, Alliance is the faction that has always had higher numbers on vanilla on every private server I've played on, despite Horde racials being described as OP. Why? Well, maybe this has something to do with paladin buffs making Alliance raids better than Horde raids, or maybe because the most important dungeons and raids are right next to the main Alliance capital, or maybe because 2/3 BGs (AV, Arathi Basin) favor the Alliance (WSG is neutral), or maybe because Blizzard in general favors the Alliance (fact). Who knows... 'shrug' Maybe it's just because the Alliance has a strong identity on vanilla, based on stuff like LotR and Co. that was popular back then. When people think about the Alliance in Classic, they think about HONOUR, VALOUR, CRUSADE and GLORY (and a fuckton of nerdiness and cringe, at least from the PoV of a Horde player). Like, the mere fact that you've rolled ALAYANS already means that you're bound for glory, even though Alliance players pick crops and fight bandits for the first 20 levels, while Horde players deal with Arugal & Thule in Silverpine and centaur invasions & part of the Emerald Nightmare in Barrens. Other zones? What other zones? All Alliance players go to Westfall, even elves running all the way from the elven zones, perhaps too scared of having to fight corrupted furbolgs and ghosts, and preferring gnolls and murlocs instead. I dunno. When I think about the Alliance, the first thought that comes to mind is babies. Entitled, favored, handheld, nerdy, cringy babies that live in an illusion of "greatness". I just can't take anyone who plays Alliance in vanilla seriously. Me? I'm a simple orc: I see human - I kill. Or quilboar. Especially quilboar. There are only two things that matter to me: battle and honor. And the Alliance sucks heavily in both, both lorewise and in-game. So my choice of picking Horde was pretty easy. Admittedly, I have tried all races. The only one that earned any sort of respect from me from the Alliance was night elves. The rest bored me to death, after having to fight gnolls, kobolds, troggs, wolves and bandits for the first 20 levels. So much for that "greatness" and "glory" thing, I guess... I still remember that "Top 20 deadliest NPCs" video, where more than half of the NPCs were in Alliance zones, particularly in Westfall. And don't say Harvest Watchers and Defias Pillagers were "OP"... Horde zones have mobs that are much more OP, yet you won't see any of these in such a ranking. :)
As someone who is literally 50/50 on faction bias, but grew up as a pure Horde in Vanilla, I have to say you're pretty spot on with most of this. Especially soley favouring the Night Elves in the Alliance is something I can fully agree on... I'm starting to see red, kek.
@@HallsteinI Horde tends to have more BAD pvpers in average, becouse every newbie who wants to pvp will pick horde for those OP racials. But alliance are always more. like 55%-45% or 60%-40% for the alliance. Realistically speaking of course. If u wanna bet being in the less populated faction, going horde is always a safer choice.
I started as Alliance because I came from Ultima Online where I played a mage character. I never really go into the horde until I started to read some of the Warcraft books. After reading the books, I really started to reconsider who I wanted to play. Horde no longer looked like the 'bad guys' to me. I think they did a really good job of making it difficult to pick a faction, in a good way! (In my opinion of course). On a side note, this video was great Melderon. You've really kicked it up a notch with your quality in videos and narration. Keep it up! -wiznips
I chose the alliance because Dwarves. Master Craftsmen as both smiths and brewers, strong willed warriors while having an intellectual side to them as well.
A very surprising, yet satisfying video I've just stumbled upon. I've always been Horde, mainly for the races, which are more diverse, plus I fell In love with the trolls. I've also played Alliance, from time to time, and while I liked the idea of loyalty, I've never felt at home as I did with the Horde. Thanks for the video, I know what faction I'll be playing.
This reminds me of when I first bought classic and was reading the little book that explained all of the races and their backgrounds while picking my 1st toon.. I'm feeling all nostalgic af now, great video! Still debating on what to play.. I was horde from Nilla-Legion until some friends recruited me to go alliance for the fast bg queue times.. I want to play horde again but I am worried horde will be over populated like it is on live so we shall see I guess.
The time when being in a Faction changed the way people were. I remember the first time i went to the Horde side, they were more cool people and less dick than Alliance, i don't know if it was just me or my server. Now everyone is mixed and toxic ...
싸넬 I personally thought that was just propaganda to try and boost numbers on the horde faction (come join the big kids) any way... screw the horde, you will be begging for mercy at the feet of my dwarf😁
I've played both all the way back to BC, and didn't notice a difference. People are just people everywhere. Locally you may find differences, from server to server or guild to guild, but I think it's pretty much the same on the whole.
actually in many pservers, if you care, alliance turned into be what horde supposedly used to be because, especially in tbc, horde has some noticeable pvp and pve advantage, making people of all sorts flood into the horde. That doesn't necessarily translates into actual horde advantage, especially not on vanilla/wrath servers. I will 100% percent go alliance if I will play unless I really try an RP server because of the underdog feeling, brotherhood, massive amounts of horde players and of course for hunting undeads as a warlock. Btw I expect massive horde numerical superiority.
I expected to see something different, but man that was interesting to hear your perspective and also made me think about what faction I’m gonna play in vanilla (I play both factions). Great video man keep up the good work!
One thing that I have learned in my years of college, that relates to WoW and the factions people chose is the color. Over the years of playing world of Warcraft I have learned that the majority of the population actually favors the horde. It could be for many reason stated in the video but I also think its because the color RED is the first color we process as human beings. Hence why people recommend not to drive a red car. Just a thought, probably wrong but very interesting to think about.
Played alliance rogue in vanilla and then in tbc rolled a ud fem warrior. Honestly liked horde better. If I went alliance I would go female dwarf priest or maybe paladin since I've never leveled a paladin past 20.
I am so happy to have a nerd dad who used to play this game, and I can't wait to play classic and get my dad back into gaming. This video also really helped me decide which faction I really want to play. Thanks man.
@@ProdigyOfSolitude It's gotta be horde man, it was the first faction my dad played on but I was torn. This video really made me decide that I'm a true horde player.
Blue represents loyalty, like the way the Alliance refused to lift a finger to help their allies the high elves when Arthas marched on the Sunwell and slaughtered 90% of them.
Uh, you do realize Lordaeron had fallen by that point? Remember Mr. Arthas had already murdered his father in the Capital City, slaughtered Stratholme (the nearest alliance city to Quel'Thalas) and Andorhal had already been ravaged by the Scourge? So there was not really MUCH to help, when the humans of Lordaeron were pretty f$%"!
Lordaeron fell at that point, the only ones who could help were Dalaran (who was trying to find a cure and didn't really have a military) Kul'Tiras (who sent their navy to find Jaina) Gnomes (Gnomeragon was under a civil war) the Dwarves (they dont have an excuse, I guess they just didn't know or didnt care)
After watching this video, I have this feeling that I'v been thinking about this all wrong - all my thoughts were about, where all the kids and toxic people are gonna play so I can avoid them. This really opened my eyes (I almost forget the whole history and I'v red most of the books). Thank you for that, man - great video!
I picked a troll hunter in 2005 because I loved rokhan at the end of WC3. I got a few levels, asked for some help and was told to piss off. Rerolled dwarf hunter, alliance was much nicer, and I even ended up raiding in vanilla some.
As a forever blood elf main I will be so lost in classic. I naturally will want to be horde but without my blood elf heritage, history, Honor and natural good looks idk. Could always play undead or an orc or something but it’s just not the same. And while I could always play a night elf if I want to look good visually, I would feel so out of place. The alliance feels icky and wrong to me. In my opinion especially from a wc3 perspective the alliance are the bad guys and the horde are the good guys. Particularly bc of the horrible treacherous actions the alliance committed on my blood elf people. I can never forgive them for that. So idk what I will play 😢 just be a lost soul wishing blood elves existed in vanilla or wishing the alliance wasn’t evil backstabbing traitors.
As Im writing this comment, Im not entirely sure what Im going to say.. lots of thoughts bubble up to the surface. For one, as a veteran of WoW, having played since 2005 on and off, and having tasted both factions and all races throughout time its becoming increasingly difficult to choose a favourite anything in Vanilla. One thing I've definitly noticed is that I'm always more drawn to a specific race than a faction. And as soon as I think to myself, for example: Oh Night Elves and Tauren are really my favourite races; my mind automatically jumps to the other side of the spectrum and says: Well yes but what about Gnomes, they're so tiny and funny, or Undead, they're so cool and always remind me of Zelda Majoras Mask for some reason. Another thing I will say is, as much as I love and am addicted to WoW Vanilla, I hope they do not fuck up Classic.. Thats why I try to stay reserved.. Horde feels more like home, and has been my faction all throughout Retail Vanilla. My personality and aesthetic flavour goes more towards the Alliance, Elves, Paladins, Light, etc.. So not having a favourite faction, city, race or even class and role makes WoW great, yet also hard to make a decision on. Regardless, its (Classic) a great game that I will try again. Like I said, I just hope they dont mess it up. But knowing Activision and Blizzard, they probably will. And we will be left with good memories and hopefully a game in the future that WILL know how to create and maintain and grow their world with the qualities that made it great in the first place.
I really enjoyed this video and how you looked at the topic from outside the box. Very very well done! The production quality has really grown to new heights 👍🏻👍🏻 I my self, am a hordie. Although I also love dwarfs, so I'm a little torn :)
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Which faction will you choose in Classic WoW?
@@CoreyHavokYT Troll for everything. although for me I'm only probably going to play Hunter/Shaman lol
Horde . Orc shaman. For the Horde
Horde, specifically tauren. Their relationship with nature and their peacefulness is such a draw to me. Mulgore is such a beautiful and calming zone, I can't wait to level there.
@@mutatedllama have to agree love Mulgore it's just so calm and the music... I still listen to music/ambience when I need to de-stress and relax or when I'm having problems sleeping lol
It will depend how many IRL/familiarize friends I will be able to bring along. I'm flexible but I can see myself playing Horde once more. Basicly playing where most people want to go with but all that aside I'll give my thoughts on wow Classic as for faction, class and race (never played shadow priest but since we get 16 debuff slots from the start, is interesting
).
IF Horde: UD mage or UD (shadow) priest as first pick/mains & warlock/shaman as 2nd, alts. Still have a found memory from vanilla, rank 11 with 2h mace TuF on tauren Enh =)
IF Alliance: Ehh I guess Mage or hunter as mains & rogue/warrior as alts (got a friend who REALLY wants to play loladin healer)
My friends and I, due to our situation in real life (work, family etc) are debating if we're going pvp or pve (EU server). If I'm not misstaken I recall you mentioned you might play on some EU one day. Would love to hang out with you guys. Will I focus more on pvp, pve or around 50/50 is something I can only speculate atm. Anyway enough of me rambling here.
This is the kind of thinking the WoW community needs more of, this sort of stuff gets completely left behind but its SO important to the 'feel' of the game.
I agree completely. The enormous amount of classic wow 'content creators' that have popped up in the last year provide information on things such as class balance, which class to play, which race is the best, etc. For a 'veteran' like myself, none of that info is new to me (and is sometimes inaccurate in my opinion). At the end of the day my rule is play whatever 'feels' right to you and make it work (this should be easy if you like your toon enough).
This kind of content and "feel" is exactly why I'm coming home for Classic.
This was the kind of thinking that was done at the company 15 years ago.
Agree with this strongly. I don't remember, in vanilla, anyone caring about optimal builds or esports. It was far more of an RPG with people wanting to progress a character, rather than just progress as far as they could. For every hardcore guild pushing Naxx, there were 5 guilds working their way through MC with feral druids, enhancement shaman and Ret pallys.
I totally agree
The fear ward fetishizing private server dweebs are gonna make classic very unpleasant
Streamers like Asmongold will as well
this the type of guy to write a 15 page essay on one example of symbolism in his high school english class
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Yes, in classic WoW (and most of WoW) both Alliance and Horde have their own shades of good and evil. Though arguably in modern WoW Horde is just evil (so long as it's led by Sylvanas at any rate). Another reason why old WoW used to be better, because it's way more interesting when you have two sides, two opposing factions that are both reletable and have fair positions to stand on.
That's one thing that always bugged me after playing horde for so many years, Even after spending in game decades of your character doing good and such. Horde just always got written as bad guys since cata and beyond, eventually you get tired of being the underdog.
@@codycoy2943 It's been like that since 1994 with Warcraft Orcs and Humans. WoW is set after the war and the Horde free from bloodlust are trying to build a life in this new world. It only makes sense they are still seen as the bad guys to the alliance races after so many years of bloodshed.
@@lazydaze3134 The difference is that Cody Coy mentioned Horde is *written* as the bad guys, which is not the same as just being seen as the bad guys. The latter is understandable and just a matter of perspective, which doesn't necessarily reflect the true state of things. The former is just.. Well, what Garrosh and now Sylvanas do.
When I was creating my first character I was playing the demo during Wrath. I thought Paladin sounded cool so I picked Human. I leveled all the way to 80 only learning bits and pieces about the Horde (I first learned Thrall's name from Jaina at the end of the missing Diplomat questline).
Then I tried making a DK and honestly was really bothered by all the slaughter and mayhem I was doing among the townspeople. But then I realized that was kind of the point because the DKs were supposed to be evil.
Then I made my first Horde character - a Blood Elf Paladin. And everything was fine until she got to Tarren Mill and was sent on pretty much the exact same slaughter and mayhem quests by the Forsaken. I still play that character today - she is one of the 3 120s I currently have - but I have always considered the Horde the evil side due to the Forsaken being allow in as members.
TBH, my issue with the BFA story is not sylv herself, she was ALWAYS a bitch, so she was at least consistent, as much as I hate her, and the forsaken being evil, cartoon villians in general. No, my real issue the lack of opposition against her outside of saurfang is the real issue, WHY ARE THE TAUREN, TROLLS, AND PANDAS EVER FOLLOWING HER? WHY?!? This makes no sense. I FUCKING HATE THE HORDE STORY FOR BFA, they made them evil constantly, and kept hitting them with the villian bat since cata. I guess this is what happens when blizz focuses ONLY on the two most evil parts of the horde, many of the evil orcs, and the forsaken as a whole, leaving tauren, trolls, and pandas out as a whole, who are doing literally NOTHING against her, which is why the horde is written as evil, because they NEVER FOCUSED ON THE MORAL SIDE, only the evil side, that's retarded.
Also, her being warchief, and having all this power to do all this evil shit in legion, before she became warchief in legion for some retarded reason, she was perfectly fine, and her character was not an issue as a sort of side character. I am perfectly fine with sylv being an evil bitch, as it is in character for her, but my real issue with BFA, and making the horde evil is both that she is warchief, thus taking complete control of the story, and tainting the horde faction identity in the process as horde, is the lack of opposition of the more moral races, which is RETARDED, guess blizz is too lazy to do anything with them, and give them actual opposing opinions, nope! Gotta lump all of them as evil. BFA war campaign would be perfectly fine as an undead, and MAYBE a goblin...but no one else, not orcs with saurfang in charge, not tauren/trolls/pandas for obvious reasons, not belfs, who got better after cata, they went through shit like that before, so why now? Seriously, this expansion only makes sense for forsaken, maybe the goblins, and and no one else, which is retarded, why the fuck would my tauren EVER take part in the BFA war campaign?
Guess he has to either be retconned entirely for the story to make sense, or I have to faction change, and RP him as a kind of emisarry/tauren who wants to help the nelfs protect teldrassil from sylvanas if I want to save his character. If there was some silver lining, and it shows the alliance actually being a threat, and trying to attack the horde, I would be much happier, but nope, the horde burned A FUCKING CAPITAL, AND KILLED CIVILLIANS when the alliance did NOTHING to provoke it, and then sylv kills horde soldiers, and blighted undercity while the allies stood there doing nothing like the passive retards they were.
Anduin literally wants peace, and would allow ANYONE in the alliance, hell even pretty much almost all the forsaken, EXCEPT SYLVANAS, he knows that the problem with the forsaken is not the forsaken itself, it is sylvanas the bitch ruining everything, and genn/jaina/rogers are not doing anything, or showing any oppostion towards anduin in BFA, guess they were perfectly fine with the horde after genn's attack on sylv in legion. The alliance literally did NOTHING before it, outside of genn attacking sylv in legion, and that was cause sylv was being an evil bitch even there, plus he was justifiably angry after having his son killed, even if it is not her intended target, and she burned the night elf capital, and killed tons of civillains thus putting TONS of danger on the horde when there was originally NONE, so the survival angle does not work, cause sylv was the fucking cause of the horde having to defend themselves against the allies in the first place. Great fucking job! Fuck you blizz, fix your storyline, allow descenting opinions, and writing the horde as evil! MAYBE then I can play this shitfest of an expansion, just gotta remove timegating, azerite grinding, pruning, and add some content I actually fucking care about, this is literally a shittier legion! Please!
As a Tolkien fan, Gotta stay with the Alliance, The nightelves, dwarves and humans are my fave races. Especially the dwarves. Can't forget the moment I walked in Ironforge and heard that majestic music for the first time.
Damn i was thinking i'd roll Horde this time around but, the music!! I'm pretty pumped for classic, going to be a hermit for a while for sure ;)
As a night king fan i will roll undead.
@@MrRitmu Be careful of D&D then! They will send a teenage girl to undo you - all while ruining a great television show.
Know what you mean, when i decide to roll alliance for a change i always choose dwarf, as for soundtracks i kinda had a simmilar feeling when i first entered orgrimar
I want to vomit when i see alliances and im also Tolkien fan.
There is just something dark and fake about this faction.
Not to mention what kinds of player plays alliances.
Horde forever !!!!!
Fantastic video!
WoW has never been just a "normal" game for me but something much more meaningful. It was my childhood, teenage years and adult life all in one package and the history behind the game, the lore, the places, the people that we've met throughout the years and all of it combined shows how deeply we resonate with the game.
There's a reason why people are hyped for Classic and it's because this is the true version where the old-school RPG elements go hand in hand with the gameplay!
Thanks for sharing, Raserisk!
All of us former kids are slowly turning in to massive nerd-dads who overexplain our passion about the games we played as children. The cycle is nearly complete.
I only like the alliance because elves are hot
Platinum WoW you've obviously never seen a female tauren's bare ass. i feel sorry for you, mate.
NickoLps ...you don’t even know how to spell ‘laid’.
Highly doubt that you’ve ever had sex.
Robyn HarvestBear kid i bet youre not even old enough to buy the new call of duty. go play your fartnite game 💨 😂
Male night elf rogue named Trapnextdoor sneaking behind you *nothing personal kid*
I even called this shit this comment has alot of likes because werid boys rule Wow now classic wow alliance will be filled with snowflakes and tbc babies horde will be filled with hipsters and good players.
"Remember.. Patience, Discipline.."
Those words still send shivers down my spine.
Undead rulez
Oh shit. I remember when I started playing classic and I heard the undead npcs talk. I was immediately immersed in the game
I'll be searching for Mankirks wife once again
I played Horde during Vanilla, a Tauren Shaman. I just liked the idea of being part of band of underdogs, and a big cow that shoots lightning and can heal.
Sunhawk Underdogs!? Not on my server alliance was extremely out numbered
/moo
@@angelmendez6090 yes the rich elite smugs are outnumbered
alliance was always the underdogs so you picked wrong faction.
@@Terlin1466 how where they the underdog? horde got no home and are lost in a new world trying to make a living... killing humans.
I love the ideaology of the Horde, but the early Alliance zones are so much nicer to play through. The Humans in particular have so much variety. The first is a simple, green forest. Next comes a very yellow-paletted countryside, followed by red mountains and a lake, and then a creepy, mist-filled forest. Horde? Here, have a big piece of empty land that looks the same for the first 25 levels.
I always play human, because I am human and lack imagination.
Hey, you also have a skeleton inside don't forsake it :p.
@@Minimoz Yeah, but my skeleton doesn't move around without the rest of me....and I don't see it when I look in a mirror! ;)
@@matilija you could see it if you really wanted to tho
@@Egroegnotlihc Yeah, i'm not buying an x-ray machine nor am I cutting myself open just give me some sort of weird desire to play a digital race in a game...besides, horde can't be paladins....and I'm going to play a paladin because I'm old but still enjoy porn.
man, videos like this make me want to play Classic WoW so much. I can't wait anymore!
Alliance btw.
play kronos if u cant wait
@@leeroyjeeeeenkins I bought that game years ago on GOG, played for a couple hours. Gonna check it out again, it was pretty cool tbh.
I think it lacked any kind of music / ambience which really kind of sucked but i just put on "Two Steps From Hell" at the time.
@@Pulsed101 kronos is a vanilla wow private server
FOR THE HORDE! great vid bros big ups
@NicolBolas2 good one dude
Yes för the horde
My first character was a undead warlock and the story of the undead is just way too compelling for me to pick anything else. Plus the feeling of being in eastern kingdoms a nation surrounded by the proud and cruel alliance feels exciting when leveling.
@Josip That's a good way to put it. Undead is like playing the "Horde of the Horde," where the Forsaken are to the rest of the Horde as the Horde itself is to the Alliance. They're the rebel's rebel.
One of the biggest reasons to choose Horde over Alliance: male Orc shoulders.
Facts. I swear the asset artists use the Orc model when they design armor. Then just scale it as awkwardly as possible for the other classes.
Also, they complete shit the bed on the helms for trolls. 1 out of every 10 helms look halfway decent, 1 out of 100 actually look pretty good on Trolls. 90-,,99% of helms look like trash on Trolls. Almost looks like someone stapled 2 bananas on a rotten pear, then shoved all that into a tea cup or something.
You are my hero! I've been trying to find something to introduce my wife to the factions without all that mess about min/maxing race/class/faction combos. She's finally agreed to play WoW with me when Classic comes out. Retail is so huge that it's overwhelming to her to try to start there, so Classic seemed a perfect opportunity to get her into the game. So, I showed this video to my wife and she's now happily chewing on all this delicious info to decide which faction she wants us to play. I've done both, so I'm indifferent and just want to experience my old game through her new eyes. All we know for sure is that she wants to warrior tank, which means I'm rolling a pocket healer for her. Still don't know what class I want to do that with, though, since we don't plan to PvP. No matter what faction, class, or race we choose, though, this is going to be an amazing adventure!
Very glad I could help!
this is such a sweet post :)
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This aspect of Warcraft has always been the most important to me, but often the most overlooked by the wider community as a whole.
Good job!
Thanks so much!
The reason why I went Horde and not Alliance was because the Horde had more choice with races. In Vanilla you can pick from Orcs, Forsaken, Trolls, and Tauren, while on the Alliance you can pick from Humans, Dwarfs (smaller humans), Gnomes (even smaller humans), and Night Elves (humans with pointy ears). And this did not sit well with me back when I was 12, so I went Horde and rolled an Orc Hunter. Now that I am older and Vanilla is coming back, I might go Alliance.
@Jorge Belman really doesn't work tbh
Well you never had passion for the horde and loyalty thrall so I forgive you traitor
im feeling sorta the same right now.. i was playing horde cuz all my friends did.. i was sure to play horde again. then i remembered how much i admired the looks of the night elves.. and the neater look of the alliances buildings in general... but now that im thinking of actually switching in classic.. i feel like im gonna miss all this mess over there xD
I play mostly horde side becuse of the darkness and stuff... but Lore wise, a man just can't make a definite choice, both factions are cool.
I chose the horde side because of the lore
I've always felt that the Alliance, as a Faction, is more representative of my personality and way of life but the races of the Horde (outside of the Undead) have always had a stronger calling to me. The Shamanistic and Warrior-type lifestyle of the Orcs, Trolls and Tauren is fantastic and automatic sell for me personally.
Kick his ass seabass!!!
I couldn’t agree more
Thank you for this amazing video! As WoW Classic has been getting closer and closer I've been struggling to pick what faction I want to play. I want to play Druid, so the choice was down to Horde vs Alliance.
I've been a Horde player for all my life. I started playing the game at a very early age and really appreciated the lore behind the Horde, especially while playing WC3. Now that I'm older, I can't help but understand and appreciate the Alliance, and what they stand for, plus the more I've been reading about the Night Elves, the more I became fascinated with their culture.
Your video is what allowed me to come to my conclusion that I will roll a Night Elf Druid come Classic, and play Alliance for the first time.
Beautiful video. Made perfect sense. But I’m still torn between which faction to pick. Based on my own life experiences, both factions speak very loudly to me.
When the taurens kept dying to questing mobs in the barrens, the orcs gave them a party invite. When the blood elves were dying to I think the scourge, the alliance did not give them a party invite. I would prefer playing with people who would help me out, so I pick horde.
Arcamorge welcome to the horde. We don’t leave another behind.
I’ve never held a strong loyalty to either faction - I’ve played both sides with for roughly equal time even going back to the Warcraft II days. When I first booted up Warcraft II, I gravitated to the Orcish Horde, as they were immediately identifiable as the “cooler” side, especially with their original death knights. As I got a bit older, I grew to appreciate the Alliance and what it represented: the defense of your world and the order it brings.
I didn’t really enjoy Warcraft 3 all that much (heresy, I know), but I enjoyed the lore it brought to the table. It didn’t sway my faction loyalties either way, as my new favorite race, the Naga, were not allied with either.
When WoW came out, I started with the Alliance, but didn’t accomplish much. It wasn’t until a year later after the honor system came out that I rerolled onto a new server as Horde that I made my first real “main” and founded the top PvP guild of the server. Of course I played an undead rogue… why do you ask?
Even though I spent more time as Horde during the vanilla days… I have to admit, I identify with the Alliance much more. Ironforge is the best dang city in the game. The music that plays in Stormwind and Ironforge gives me nostalgia like no other. When Classic comes around, I know where I’ll be. Well, I’ll have to; I want to be a paladin after all. I didn’t choose the Alliance; the Alliance chose me.
FOR KHAZ MODAN!
The way you tell the details, characteristics and motivations for each faction and race fills so much life and pation into WoW classic, as a player who played from the start this really conveys strong emotions and feelings. Lets fill WoW classic with life again, 27th august.
For the alliance, and for the horde!
only 23k views? this was masterfully made and im sure every person who had a hand in making this game would very much appreciate seeing this
Thanks, bro. Appreciate the kind words!
Nice video!! I've been in love with the Forsaken since I first played warcraft 3, but each of the horde races have something to them worth loving, and there are none that I'd feel reluctant to play. I really appreciate that they're all so different - there's something really interesting about these groups with different histories, values, and even goals having to work together and dealing with those differences. A tauren and an undead couldn't be further apart culturally - coming from different continents, having vastly different experiences in life, and regarding the natural world in completely different ways - which makes it really satisfying and kind of heart warming seeing them stand together. They'll never see eye-to-eye, but they're forced through proximity to share their experiences with one another.
If you're reading this as an alliance player: gnomes are okay. Everyone else is KOS.
cool grandma so many little griefing gnome rogue bastards. I remember using the aoe fire totem in badlands even though it wasn’t mana efficient to keep those little stealthing assholes off me. Yeah- I got my hate for gnomes to this day from back in vanilla. Good/Bad times!
Another great and original classic wow video. Thanks man.
I'm a lifelong Horde Player who always played Tauren, Orc and Troll races. I like these peaceful, beautiful and colorful creatures that are in touch with nature and also the fact that they had to fight to carve a place for themselves in Kalimdor. Why would I play a fantasy game, and choose to be a Human, a short human or a mini human when I can be something that I can't be IRL? Mulgore looks amazing. Orc's wolves look amazing. Troll's mohawks look amazing. Thrall, Vol'jin, Saurfang, and Cairne all look like imposing but benevolent leaders I'd willingly follow anywhere. Lor'Themar Theron has been a pleasant surprise too, and the Blood Elven looks, themes and cultures are just fantasy inducing (sorry Forsaken, nothing good to say about you except for the fact that Undercity looks cool). Their stories spoke to me the most: victims of violence and racism, pushed away from their lands, controlled by mightier powers, in the end united behind one leader (I played Warcraft before WoW and the Orc campaign was my favorite); the more civilized cultures just brush them under the rug like they are inferior races. So I've always been a proud Horde player.
I however was pulled into the alliance in Classic because all my friends were playing alliance (in retail I was playing solo). And I gotta say, there is no city like Ironforge. There are no racials like the weapons specialization. There is no better animation than the Night Elven jump (it does make a difference: if you're gonna spend hundreds or potentially thousands of hours looking at an avatar, it might as well be funny and good looking). Their mounts look amazing too.
There will always be great upsides to whichever faction you choose, and there will always be many reasons to choose them: friends, storyline, aesthetics. I don't think there's any wrong choice, just play whatever you feel like playing the most. Same goes for classes. Right now me and my friends are 3 Warriors and 1 Pala, but we don't care, the most important thing is being able to enjoy the game.
Also: Red is the color of Fire and Blood. Red is also the color of Communism.
I always liked the Alliance because, like how you mentioned in this video, I always viewed them as clean, neat, and orderly
Thanks to your video I now see my beloved game, which I have played since 2007, in a different, deeper and much more suddle way. Thank you.
When the lore was actually good.
Awesome analysis man! Please make some more. It would be great to see ones on all the races and classes!
Nobody expects Warcraft vexillology! A curious analysis, but I can't say it's wrong - reverse-engineering the design seems to confirm it fits.
I played both factions in vanilla at different points, but Horde was always my home first. For me it was always the home grounds of each race, the level 1-20 zones, that best spoke of and defined their character post-WC3. In this sense, while I could connect very well to the humans and their slice of the world, and felt like a welcome guest in the dwarves' and a survivor in the Forsaken's, it was always the wilderness of middle Kalimdor that spoke to me best. After TFT, the part of lore that intrigued me most is what the races of Thrall's motley alliance would get up to next, how they will settle in their lands that are all but untamed save for Mulgore's balanced cycle of natural life. And I was in love with the Tauren's feel and the New Horde of the orcs and how they temper their warlike nature, so unsurprisingly, my first characters were all Tauren - it's their peaceful strength and reverent forbearance combined with a chill gardener's approach to the world around them (as opposed to the risk of sanctimony and overbearingness present in paladins) that drew me first and foremost, and to this day Tauren remain the perfect race for me. After that, though, are orcs and trolls - the orcs' nature and fate in the new world, their struggles and successes and lessons always spoke to me too, and the trolls are better survivors and scrappers than the Forsaken and I always wanted to see how they will blossom next. It's only after those that humans and Forsaken are tied for race connection, with dwarves and gnomes next and night elves bringing up the rear due to their significant change from WC3's warlike savagery (which I found awesome for elves and couldn't get enough of) to WoW's almost jarringly different Tolkien Lorien style and their environment feeling "constructed" and weird, like a sort of strange reverse mirror to the Tauren lands due to the elves growing their tree out of nowhere and all of their lands save for Ashenvale feeling a little off to me (Felwood being an odd exception).
Thanks for this awesome comment!
This video is awesome, when you begin appreciating the lore and fantasy you really open up a whole other part of the game (the rpg portion lost in modern wow) and it adds whole new layers of depth, thinking, and perception....this video encapsulates that perfectly.
This video is outstanding in pretty much every way, from mentioning MadSeason (who is a credit to the community) to highlighting what each faction truly represents at the time of Classic WoW. It dismays me to no end that someone like Sylvanas was allowed to become the face of the once proud, honorable Horde and to see the current storyline betray its simple, yet gratifying roots.
Thank you so much for your kind words. I agree. I like her character but I don't agree with her becoming warchief
Im torn between alliance and horde, i mained alliance in vanilla i think overall lore is better on alliance side but early leveling zones like the Barrens and it's dungeons are a lot more fun than Westfall and its dungeon. But Alliance has much more colorful leveling zones and im a man of colors and im a fan of the Free peoples of Middle earth of lotr. Im still torned between the factions i might wanna experience something New by Rolling Horde since i mained Alliance.
Wow. I'm speechless. Absolutely brilliant
Thank you!
@@DefcampMelderonTV You somehow managed to explain what I have never been able to articulate before lol. Keep up the great work
Appreciated variety besides all the class and racial ability guides. This is gold!
The horde was so much wiser in Warcraft 3. Honestly without Jaina the scourge might have already been the end of the alliance or at least the humans. On my way to the bc exp
I love this video, there need to be more videos like this that focus on the magic of the world and how important it is to the experience.
Awesome vid guys 😁 loving the original fresh content!!
So much love for this video! Well done guys - truly excellent work! :)
Thanks Chimly!! Love ya bro :)
The first character I made was a night elf priest; I played him for a day.
I decided to make an Orc warrior alt just to practice a little bit before returning my night elf priest... but, once you go green you don't go back.
I played Horde for 3 years straight back in Vanilla.
I’m a bit disgusted.
I'm picking horde because overall I prefer that faction and before 2008 I never played it because drawfs are my favorite race.
well done bro started wow in classic in wow for 6 yrs as horde didnt feel right till every 1 i knew left wow then rolled a dwarf havent gone bk since
Such a good video! THIS is what Vanilla WoW was all about! The lore, the aesthetics, the feel, being part of a community and something BIG!
For me it's Horde all the way - even though I am a huge Tolkien fan. I will roll a Dwarf though - in addition to main and alts on the Horde side - just to experience the zones and music in the Alliance part of the world. Really excited for WoW Classic! Hope one day Acti-Blizzard will release Classic TBC - I am sure they will, even though some claim it won't happen.
Undead warlock. Undead because you dont have to waste money on food and warlock because of the fun rituals you can do and the havoc you can bring to both friend and foe. Im talking about the infernal.
Dude your production quality of your video is amazing, that mic paired with your voice is amazing, you should be a professional narrator.
The Aliance is a absolute monarchy with a group of vassalles. The HORDE is a tribel confederation. That is how I see it. Because of that reason I was confused that the night elves joined the Aliance
I think the reason why the Night Elves joined the Alliance was because they have a common enemy being the Orcs as they killed some important character I can't remember.
@@RocketeerRaccoon the first conflict came from hellscream chopping trees. At this moment they didn't know each other. Thrall and Jaina help the night elves later on. It's just that if you look at the culture of the night elves, they have more in common with the Tauren and Trolls and the idea of Thrall to return his people to shamanism. After all the Aliance was the "good guys" faction. Going after Tolkien elves are good.
10:40 beautifully said. Ive always been a horde player and will continue going back to classic. Racials are nice and all but at the end of the day its about that connection to the world that is most important to me.....oh and Will of the forsaken in pvp.
Why Good vs Evil, its more Order/Lawful/Civilized vs Chaotic/Freedom/Tribal
The Horde are not evil. We are misunderstood.
yeh, actually in vanilla/early wow lore I would say the horde is the more positive option, but I am hell-bent on serving the alliance, merely for player experience.
I think that's what he's explain in the video
I wish there were more videos like this, loved it! Perhaps you could do one on how Blizzard feeds the faction-hatred in vanilla. I always liked how when you start the game the quests and even text-colors for certain areas really hammer in the whole 'the other faction is the enemy!'
Great job, Meld. When i started to play WoW in the end of 2009, i choose de horde because my friends played on the horde, but i never identified me with de horde. After few weeks, i changed for the alliance because i love their lore on Warcraft and the leaders have the qualities and personalities who i admire, specially Varian, Jaina, Muradin, Anduin Lothar, Turalyon and Magni. At the classic i will play on the alliance with proud and ready to defend her.
I appreciate Madseason so much and has been on his channel since he started with his WoW videos but you guys are making very good videos as well. This video was awesome. Thanks.
Horde vs Alliance is why I love Vanilla. Each faction would be a complete game in themselves, but they exist together. 2 faction PvP is just the coolest thing in any game, and keeps the replayability insanely high.
I watched 3 videos on hirde vs alliance but yours gave me the info I was searching for about the differences in what each stands for. Thanks
As a woman, I am super annoyed by women who play Alliance they are ssuperbasic Mary Sue's. They all wanna be freaking elves, smh. I am so proud to be for the Horde and a Forsaken to boot.
As a long time hord player I am tempted to pick alliance this time. From the alliance view a wide range of quests and zones are totally unknown to me (never past lvl 5 on alliance side). Because of this it could be like a second „kind-of-first“ wow experience to me :). Wow with a different and a classic feeling to it at the same time. Maybe wired or great who knows.
its gonna hurt
Alliance, Cause The Holy Light is deep inside me. DEUS VULT!
Enjoy the vid but the Alliance is Blue because they were blue player in campaign in WC2 and WC3. Horde is red because Orcs were red in campaign in WC2 and WC3. Red/Blue were the default colors because they are high contrast to the green grass and white snow backgrounds in WC2 and also provide contrast to people with the most common forms of color blindness.
That answer doesn't make as fun of a video I guess though. :)
As a Horde player, Alliance is the faction that has always had higher numbers on vanilla on every private server I've played on, despite Horde racials being described as OP.
Why? Well, maybe this has something to do with paladin buffs making Alliance raids better than Horde raids, or maybe because the most important dungeons and raids are right next to the main Alliance capital, or maybe because 2/3 BGs (AV, Arathi Basin) favor the Alliance (WSG is neutral), or maybe because Blizzard in general favors the Alliance (fact). Who knows... 'shrug'
Maybe it's just because the Alliance has a strong identity on vanilla, based on stuff like LotR and Co. that was popular back then. When people think about the Alliance in Classic, they think about HONOUR, VALOUR, CRUSADE and GLORY (and a fuckton of nerdiness and cringe, at least from the PoV of a Horde player). Like, the mere fact that you've rolled ALAYANS already means that you're bound for glory, even though Alliance players pick crops and fight bandits for the first 20 levels, while Horde players deal with Arugal & Thule in Silverpine and centaur invasions & part of the Emerald Nightmare in Barrens.
Other zones? What other zones? All Alliance players go to Westfall, even elves running all the way from the elven zones, perhaps too scared of having to fight corrupted furbolgs and ghosts, and preferring gnolls and murlocs instead.
I dunno. When I think about the Alliance, the first thought that comes to mind is babies. Entitled, favored, handheld, nerdy, cringy babies that live in an illusion of "greatness". I just can't take anyone who plays Alliance in vanilla seriously.
Me? I'm a simple orc: I see human - I kill. Or quilboar. Especially quilboar. There are only two things that matter to me: battle and honor. And the Alliance sucks heavily in both, both lorewise and in-game. So my choice of picking Horde was pretty easy. Admittedly, I have tried all races. The only one that earned any sort of respect from me from the Alliance was night elves. The rest bored me to death, after having to fight gnolls, kobolds, troggs, wolves and bandits for the first 20 levels. So much for that "greatness" and "glory" thing, I guess...
I still remember that "Top 20 deadliest NPCs" video, where more than half of the NPCs were in Alliance zones, particularly in Westfall. And don't say Harvest Watchers and Defias Pillagers were "OP"... Horde zones have mobs that are much more OP, yet you won't see any of these in such a ranking. :)
As someone who is literally 50/50 on faction bias, but grew up as a pure Horde in Vanilla, I have to say you're pretty spot on with most of this. Especially soley favouring the Night Elves in the Alliance is something I can fully agree on... I'm starting to see red, kek.
i mean im new to wow and i play undead and i feel a bit bad when you turn someone into a zombie and die ...i mean it not feeling GOOD GUYS
Whatever faction has less ppl, so u dont have to wait for BGs. So, horde?
It'll likely be a very even split. But Horde tends to have more PvPers on average.
@@HallsteinI Horde tends to have more BAD pvpers in average, becouse every newbie who wants to pvp will pick horde for those OP racials.
But alliance are always more.
like 55%-45% or 60%-40% for the alliance.
Realistically speaking of course.
If u wanna bet being in the less populated faction, going horde is always a safer choice.
@@akhsdenlew1861 perfect, more alliance to kill for me.
@@akhsdenlew1861 thats not how it works, alliance players generally suck at gaming. Thats why they choose alliance to try and excel at pve.
@@dragosto that's definetly not how it works but okay.
So well written and narrated. You finally helped me decide on the faction
This video actually was a blast! Very good video, very unusual perspective on the factions. Very much appreciated (:
My goal is to make great content like this one day. This is very nice objective presentation, great work!
Thank you so much. Keep your goal and your do it! Let us know when you do
I started as Alliance because I came from Ultima Online where I played a mage character. I never really go into the horde until I started to read some of the Warcraft books. After reading the books, I really started to reconsider who I wanted to play. Horde no longer looked like the 'bad guys' to me. I think they did a really good job of making it difficult to pick a faction, in a good way! (In my opinion of course).
On a side note, this video was great Melderon. You've really kicked it up a notch with your quality in videos and narration. Keep it up!
-wiznips
I chose the alliance because Dwarves. Master Craftsmen as both smiths and brewers, strong willed warriors while having an intellectual side to them as well.
A very surprising, yet satisfying video I've just stumbled upon. I've always been Horde, mainly for the races, which are more diverse, plus I fell In love with the trolls. I've also played Alliance, from time to time, and while I liked the idea of loyalty, I've never felt at home as I did with the Horde. Thanks for the video, I know what faction I'll be playing.
Horde 100%. Started as Horde, will die as Horde. Friend had a GF that made me go Alliance for a brief period, worst time of my life (in WoW) XD
Really well-written video with deep and meaningfull arguments! Subbed :)
This reminds me of when I first bought classic and was reading the little book that explained all of the races and their backgrounds while picking my 1st toon.. I'm feeling all nostalgic af now, great video!
Still debating on what to play.. I was horde from Nilla-Legion until some friends recruited me to go alliance for the fast bg queue times.. I want to play horde again but I am worried horde will be over populated like it is on live so we shall see I guess.
The time when being in a Faction changed the way people were.
I remember the first time i went to the Horde side, they were more cool people and less dick than Alliance, i don't know if it was just me or my server.
Now everyone is mixed and toxic ...
싸넬 I personally thought that was just propaganda to try and boost numbers on the horde faction
(come join the big kids) any way... screw the horde, you will be begging for mercy at the feet of my dwarf😁
Ah, did you not watch the video? :-\
The faction didnt change ppls behaviour, they picked the faction because it was originally their nature.
I've played both all the way back to BC, and didn't notice a difference. People are just people everywhere. Locally you may find differences, from server to server or guild to guild, but I think it's pretty much the same on the whole.
actually in many pservers, if you care, alliance turned into be what horde supposedly used to be because, especially in tbc, horde has some noticeable pvp and pve advantage, making people of all sorts flood into the horde. That doesn't necessarily translates into actual horde advantage, especially not on vanilla/wrath servers. I will 100% percent go alliance if I will play unless I really try an RP server because of the underdog feeling, brotherhood, massive amounts of horde players and of course for hunting undeads as a warlock. Btw I expect massive horde numerical superiority.
I expected to see something different, but man that was interesting to hear your perspective and also made me think about what faction I’m gonna play in vanilla (I play both factions). Great video man keep up the good work!
The Nightelf music is so nostalgic ;-;
One thing that I have learned in my years of college, that relates to WoW and the factions people chose is the color. Over the years of playing world of Warcraft I have learned that the majority of the population actually favors the horde. It could be for many reason stated in the video but I also think its because the color RED is the first color we process as human beings. Hence why people recommend not to drive a red car. Just a thought, probably wrong but very interesting to think about.
Videos like these are, effectively, ridiculous... but they need to be made and you did a fantastic job. What a great channel.
Played alliance rogue in vanilla and then in tbc rolled a ud fem warrior. Honestly liked horde better. If I went alliance I would go female dwarf priest or maybe paladin since I've never leveled a paladin past 20.
My favorite faction is serving the dark lady
Easy subscribe. Seen tons of WoW videos through the years and this one was still unique, thoughtful, and even beautiful.
Orc shaman for life! Lok'tar ogar! Can't wait to have my old school totems back!
This was a fantastic analysis and commentary! Throughly enjoyed it!
Gnome mage FTW
>feel good as always
>look at this^ comment
>throw up
Allergy to gnomes
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
UNDEAD MAGE FTW :V
I am so happy to have a nerd dad who used to play this game, and I can't wait to play classic and get my dad back into gaming. This video also really helped me decide which faction I really want to play. Thanks man.
Which faction it will be? :)
@@ProdigyOfSolitude It's gotta be horde man, it was the first faction my dad played on but I was torn. This video really made me decide that I'm a true horde player.
@@mantis9693 Thats my boy! For the horde!
Blue represents loyalty, like the way the Alliance refused to lift a finger to help their allies the high elves when Arthas marched on the Sunwell and slaughtered 90% of them.
great point
What about the first war ? When the alliance said stormwind maid up the orcs
Uh, you do realize Lordaeron had fallen by that point? Remember Mr. Arthas had already murdered his father in the Capital City, slaughtered Stratholme (the nearest alliance city to Quel'Thalas) and Andorhal had already been ravaged by the Scourge? So there was not really MUCH to help, when the humans of Lordaeron were pretty f$%"!
Oof, someone doesn't know their lore.
Lordaeron fell at that point, the only ones who could help were Dalaran (who was trying to find a cure and didn't really have a military) Kul'Tiras (who sent their navy to find Jaina) Gnomes (Gnomeragon was under a civil war) the Dwarves (they dont have an excuse, I guess they just didn't know or didnt care)
After watching this video, I have this feeling that I'v been thinking about this all wrong - all my thoughts were about, where all the kids and toxic people are gonna play so I can avoid them. This really opened my eyes (I almost forget the whole history and I'v red most of the books). Thank you for that, man - great video!
Great vid I somehow missed. 1st account in vanilla was a night elf, FOR THE ALLIANCE!
Im mixed when it comes to precata factions bc they were both amazing and have such distinct feels when playing those races, it keeps wow fresh to me
I 100% agree with this vid....thank you for this....
I picked a troll hunter in 2005 because I loved rokhan at the end of WC3. I got a few levels, asked for some help and was told to piss off. Rerolled dwarf hunter, alliance was much nicer, and I even ended up raiding in vanilla some.
FOR THE ALLIANCE
This video helped so much more than any other "choosing your race" video. Thank you, man!
nicely narrated. Entertaining
As a forever blood elf main I will be so lost in classic. I naturally will want to be horde but without my blood elf heritage, history, Honor and natural good looks idk. Could always play undead or an orc or something but it’s just not the same.
And while I could always play a night elf if I want to look good visually, I would feel so out of place. The alliance feels icky and wrong to me. In my opinion especially from a wc3 perspective the alliance are the bad guys and the horde are the good guys. Particularly bc of the horrible treacherous actions the alliance committed on my blood elf people. I can never forgive them for that.
So idk what I will play 😢 just be a lost soul wishing blood elves existed in vanilla or wishing the alliance wasn’t evil backstabbing traitors.
” alliance are best for PvE” - Nihilum got world first on both C’thun and KT 🤔
I always thought those guys were horde.. Kinda lowers the impact they made hmmm
As Im writing this comment, Im not entirely sure what Im going to say.. lots of thoughts bubble up to the surface.
For one, as a veteran of WoW, having played since 2005 on and off, and having tasted both factions and all races throughout time its becoming increasingly difficult to choose a favourite anything in Vanilla.
One thing I've definitly noticed is that I'm always more drawn to a specific race than a faction. And as soon as I think to myself, for example: Oh Night Elves and Tauren are really my favourite races; my mind automatically jumps to the other side of the spectrum and says: Well yes but what about Gnomes, they're so tiny and funny, or Undead, they're so cool and always remind me of Zelda Majoras Mask for some reason.
Another thing I will say is, as much as I love and am addicted to WoW Vanilla, I hope they do not fuck up Classic..
Thats why I try to stay reserved..
Horde feels more like home, and has been my faction all throughout Retail Vanilla.
My personality and aesthetic flavour goes more towards the Alliance, Elves, Paladins, Light, etc..
So not having a favourite faction, city, race or even class and role makes WoW great, yet also hard to make a decision on.
Regardless, its (Classic) a great game that I will try again.
Like I said, I just hope they dont mess it up. But knowing Activision and Blizzard, they probably will.
And we will be left with good memories and hopefully a game in the future that WILL know how to create and maintain and grow their world with the qualities that made it great in the first place.
I really enjoyed this video and how you looked at the topic from outside the box. Very very well done! The production quality has really grown to new heights 👍🏻👍🏻
I my self, am a hordie. Although I also love dwarfs, so I'm a little torn :)