Laimbeer was an example of that Dave Chappelle joke about how the odd white dude rolling with a black gang is the most dangerous one there because he must've done something to earn their respect.
Clem Cornpone 1. It’s a Dave Chapelle joke. 2. You decided to make the connection to cheating and gaining black peoples respect. Sounds like you have a preconceived stereotype of black people being cheaters. 3. Shut the fuck up.
Fact man, same with my spurs they don’t talk Duncan and the impact he left on the game it’s nuts Jordan takes up the attention because he defeated a lot of powerhouses.
dolphinbuc I agree with Dumars, however, it was while before he had anyone to pass it too! Jordan never played with another player that was double teamed! So it took Phil, Scotti, and Horace, etc...that's when they were able to trust each other!
@@debrahollinger7167 Actually its called the triangle offense ... it was used when Phil got there ... the same offense used when Phil went to the Lakers ... all those stars on LA team but they weren't winning until Phil got there
@M if you love it so much. Why the hell are you calling it "soccer" it's Futball. Futbol. Football. Not that other word. It'd make your point better with the "it's the most popular sport" by calling it it's actual name.
@@Figs3 it’s a troll account it comments on every sports videos like this just to make u angry it’s been on AFL NBA baseball golf and everyone best thing u can do is report it for spam
@M football is boring as fuck, watched it when i was like 15 years old. NBA, UFC and NFL are leagues above it. Most people think pop music is good, doesn't mean it is the best music genre. since when does the opinion of the masses matter. most people are idiots with sheep mentality. And i'm from europe ... playing football is fun but watching it is boring. field is too big and 11 men are too many
@@armandodelossantos736 The Dream is lucky Kareem retired .... laffin.... Clyde didn't want to see MJ again. The only reason why they beat the Majic is because Anderson missed those free throws.
@@alphasports3743 you're drunk! Olajuwon is 11-5 against Jordan going into 95', but it would've been the Rockets with Otis Thorpe I'm talking about, not the one with Clyde! Against Olajuwon Jordan had to rely on his mid-range and the Rockets guards played up tight making him drive into Olajuwon's domain, so he was only half effective! The 92'-94' Rockets beat the 6x champ Bulls 3 of those 6 Finals the Bulls played in. The Rockets beat the Bulls 91'-93', lose to the Bulls 96'-98'!
Armando De Los Santos The greatest center of all time. But no one’s beating a Jordan-led team in a Finals series. You know they turned it up another notch. They also beat the teams that specifically beat Houston to get there in several finals.
Armando De Los Santos LMAO that’s funny. Steve Kerr got them playing great. Marc Jackson would never have won a chip with them - stop being so ignorant
He was almost prophetic here, talking about how tough it is to maintain that hunger to compete for titles year after year. As great as the Dubs winning 3 titles was, getting to the finals 5 years in a row was just as impressive, especially in the Western Conference.
Real talk, they could have beat the Bulls. Chicago's only flaw was matching up against elite bigs, which they never had to do outside of Ewing. Shaq and Grant destroyed them in '95, which is why they got Rodman. Olajuwon would have given them fits if they matched in the Finals.
I’m kind of shocked they didn’t mention either the Seattle Supersonics, or the Portland trailblazers. Both excellent squads. Really exciting to watch as well.
89-94 Ewing should be talked about more. He had style and had the stat to prove it. one would have to say that Olajuwon stood out more in the 94 finals but it went seven games and the Knicks were in it for most of it in game seven despite John Starks. It was a legit a series as any but Kenny seems to have forgotten that.
@Dani G80 No other Hall of Famer did more with less. Every great one who won a championship had a fellow Hall of Famer/All Star on their team. Ewing had, at best, an above average supporting cast.
@@ninowaves4061 The Knicks' small ball lineup helped them beat the Pacers in the ECF when Ewing was injured so they prolly don't even get to the finals with Ewing. He was old at that time. In his prime he really shoulda had that second guy to help him win and it's a shame he didn't. If he had a Pippen, Kemp, Stockton, Kevin Johnson or Dan Majerle, he woulda won like 1-2 rings
Ernie is the coolest dude. Just a regular guy, with a love of the game. Love how he gets these guys together and he knows as much, if not more than they do. #OpenCourt4Life!
The 95-96 Chicago Bulls defeated the Houston Rockets 100 to 86 and 98 to 87 in the two games they played against each other in the regular season, so I don't know why Kenny is trying to act like they didn't have any difficulty playing against the Bulls.
@@troymatinca6484 unlimited potential....ability and potential to be one of the best to ever play the game. Watching him elevate on the way to the bucket, he had crazy vertical....
Huge Jordan fan, but I’m thankful for the bad boys. They weren’t afraid of him, and they made him earn everything he got. Was good for Michael. Was good for the sport. True battles.
And to this day Orlando Magics still rue the time they declined that Shaq contract extension. This close to become a new dynasty, instead the history of the team filling up with "what if" tell tales.
MJ and Pippen were determined to sweep Orlando because of how the beat them the year prior. I knew they were gonna be done when they lifted Horace Grant on their shoulders. MJ and Pippen were fuming. Shaq did good the leave cause MJ was gonna burn them the rest of thier career.
if you watch the dream team documentary from a few years back they say that Isaiah not shaking the bulls hands did not look good and factored into the decision
You can't talk about 90s basketball without mentions Shawn Kemp, Gary Payton and the Seattle super Sonics. Shawn Kemp threw down some monstrous dunks. there were a couple years when they won a lot of games and they were exceptionally good. If Shawn Kemp didn't make questionable lifestyle choices...? Eitherway, you have to recognise Kemp in the 90 s.
@@pman8478 nope. As a huge sonic fan during that era we couldn't beat the bulls. I think what really hurt was the fact we never did get a good center like Alonzo, Ewing,or rick smits to round out our team.
The Sonics couldn’t beat the Bulls, so their chance was the years when the Rockets won. Had they kept their cool, they could have won those 2 championships. And as Kenny The Jet said: they had their number
The biggest reason the bulls got beat in 1995 by magic in the playoffs and swept them in return the next yr is because of addition of Dennis rodman. Can't believe Kerr didn't mention that. Also Horace grant was out during the magic bulls series in 1996 except for the first game. The interior presence was far more crucial back then than in today's games
grant wouldn't have changed the result. more than having rodman, what bulls had was way better chemistry than they did the season before. when MJ came back, only pippen and BJ were part of the 1993 roster. no one else knew how to play with MJ yet and with just 17 games left, the bulls had no time to learn how to play as a team.
I know Isaiah. Don’t want to talk about pippen only a few said his name. But Scottie was a beast. Scottie and Micheal together whip those team not Micheal by himself Scottie was a huge factor beating the pistons
Scottie wasn’t a big deal until later. The pistons won two series’s against the bulls one with the Jordan rules and then a second with Jordan and Scottie.
Scottie was more a factor in the 2nd threepeat. He actually started to play better after the first Championship. But Pippen didn't become the player we all remember until JORDAN retired and he became the leader everyone looked to.
this why jordan was so great, he won all thos rings without ever having a good big man on his team...almost every other champ had that big man to dominate..., and during jordans riegn the nba had the most and best big men
arlichar11 he did have absolute lockdown defenders on his team tho especially during the last 3 peat. Harper, Jordan pippen and rodman could probably stop some teams playing 4v5 lol.
Michael Jeffrey Jordan will always be the goat and there will be no conversation ever so it ended for me a long time ago Jordan will always be number one in my book for ever
We naturally associate toughness and physicality with defense (not pretty, grunt work), and associate offense with aesthetics and grace (poetry in motion). A defense first team (Detroit, early Spurs, and Knicks) usually was characterized as being tough and usually was a villain-like character compared to offensive teams (Bulls, Magic, to a lesser extent Rockets) who were favorites.
lol what's funny is that if you've watched Suns vs Spurs in Steve Nash's era, you'd see that the Spurs kept the bad boys tactics somewhat WAY after the rule changes. I personally find that more dirty given the context lol.
bulla werent am offencive team At all. and in there second 3peat even less they Had the lowest pase in the league, bull was all about defence. phoenix, portland, lakers, seattle, miami, charlotte, cavs, and golden state were the offencive minset temas un the 90s
I thoroughly enjoy watching all of the Open Courts. It's interesting listening to former players reflect on where the game has come from and reminisce about when they played.
as a person who grew up in the 90's watching jordan highlights every morning on espn.. Im telling you that basketball was more than "fun and exciting" it was dangerous, you never knew what would happen. you could see fights, crazy fans, humiliating dunks and taunts. It was a rollercaster ride, and sure threes are kinda neat, its not keeping me on the edge of my seat. I miss it a lot.
@@DuaneWiseChristianC Yes, but over whom? Stockton? They had even numbers 2 SG, 2 PG, 6FWd, 2C. Do they add Isiah and make uneven numbers? Or do they bump Stockton? I don't know if there was a limit to the roster for Olympic play.
There's a Legend sitting right there with them, looking back at this video. This segment was taken JUST before Steve Kerr took the head coaching job for the Golden State Warriors. 6 Championships in 8 years, right after this. That's pretty incredible, you ask me.
They all do, how do you think the Lakers got Magic & the Spurs got Duncan the same way. If my star gets hurt he's more valuable wearing a suit on the bench.
I genuinely hated the Pistons for sure but the talent is undeniable. Laimbeer would do well now I think, tall, tough, can defend, good rebounder, and an excellent pick and pop shooter even out to the 3.
One of the best teams not to win it is the early 90s Portland Trailblazers and they don't get recognized. 63-19 season And Clyde Drexler was a similar player to Jordan
Those Blazer teams NEVER get any love on Open Court, and that's a drag. They were the best team in the West for 3 years and you never hear anyone talk about them or Clyde, etc. Ernie even tried to open the door for them in the final segment and they never got a mention from the panel. I know they didn't win a title, but those were some great teams that everyone had issues with. That 90-91 team you mentioned that went 63-19 beat Chicago handedly in two blowouts that season. They got upended in the conference finals to the Lakers, but that year was their big missed opportunity to win one before Michael figured it out.
the blazers would have won titles in 1990 and 1992 if they didn't have to face 2 of the greatest teams of all time. they also lost in 1991 in the WCF to lakers. the early 90s blazers could have won a title in any of those seasons, but they had to face those 3 teams.
Thats funny, cause he seem to change his mind about the situation depending on what makes him look better. in the last dance he said he wouldnt change a thing and other dumb brainless shit. Hes a petty shmock who still mad he doesnt get the shine he desperately wants.
Greatest era of basketball. Every team with a 1-2 punch. The most HOFers compared to any era. Man to man defense, post play, some of the greatest centers to play. The days when you need to set screens to get look at a 3.
That was a good one Ernie: "They were broken up by Michael Jordan playing baseball." He knows like everyone else knows that if Jordan would have played all 8 years he would have won 8 rings.
I say they would have won 8 chips, but most likely not in a row. We forget that in 93, Jordan and Pippen were tired because they weren't able to rest during the summer before. Unless they were able to get good rest during that summer, they would not have won in 93-94. They would've won in 94-95 and 98-99.
@@paliboy93 .... Think about this, the season was shortened to 50 games in 98-99. Scotty Pippen played all 82 games that season and his numbers were great. Jordan would have gotten the proper rest he needed, along with the others, and they would've killed. The title SA won that year was a fluke. They were almost swept the very next year in the first round by Phoenix.
Not even close. Those days of strong mental and physical men is dearly missed. Don’t think it will ever be like that again with all this technology that makes life so much easier. Not to mention the monetary value of a business, team or player nowadays make the minds of players lazier.
TDS today game is better - stop lying to yourself. The league was full of brutes back then why were only in the league because toughness. Now players (bar very very few) are in cause of skill
Na, Kenny Smith was clutch during those two Title runs and he was a starter. Much more solidified than Barry and Kerr, who were never starters on a championship team.
Kenny is a champion, So he speaks as a champion. Is he in that higher echelon of nba greats? No, but he was huge in the winning of those championships.
Thanks for putting these vids up I love the convos they have. Its always gratifying to have the chance to hear and see these pioneers of the game. It's a shame we didn't have that chance with players from decades further back.
Great conversations about guys we watched growing up! Wonderful concept for the players to share, and the fans to get a little (fascinating) insight from the players perspective.
This is one of my favorite sports shows all about the game of basketball where legends and hall of fame great players share their thoughts, stories and perspectives about their playing days and games as well as on a variety of topics in the league. God bless them all for doing this.
That's what I was saying watching this Charles, Shaq, and Reggie starred on those teams. Everyone in that room except Zeke were roleplayers. Kenny Smith is hilarious to me. We wouldn't know who he was without TNT.
Doward Washington I beg your pardon? Kenny was the second option on that Rockets team for the first championship run. He was instrumental in their system, and was even a candidate for the MVP award in 1991 season. He was a popular player even competing in a dunk contest. Which is why he regularly judges the contest post career. When did you start following the game? Those of us who grew up in the 80's and 90's know The Jet very well.
Isiah still oozes with jealousy of Michael Jordan. It shows you how competitive 80s - 90s ball was compared to now. Dudes still don't talk today and it's been 30 years lol
90's decade in itself was just a fun time!! Id say 85 to 93 was the zenith for NBA of course it was the time when I was a kid an u might end up feeling the same way someday who knows..we're now living in the social media world which in my opinions sux cuzz I can remember a simpler time..Detroit Bad Boys fan rite here 88..89-90..we really won that 88 chip dont forget lol 90's NBA was ok but all ya seen was Jordan Red jerseys an 🏆 yr after yr after yr--Houston rockets then Bulls again-yr after yr after yr I preferd those blue jerseys instead lol
@@jbl7946 based of docs and vids I've watched 80s decade was wild! the 90s just gets alotta coverage cuz like u mentioned Jordan and his globalization of the game but it really built off the momentum the 80s brought; 2000s was pretty cool and I wish I was a lil older to really remember it cuz I feel that decade was the peak of it all in terms of the nba and pop culture and early internet in one without the oversharing of social media like today's game; I do appreciate all the highlights and quick info we get from social media today tho I'll give it that
Whoa! The shade 😎 that Isiah throws at the mailman mailman darkens the room 😳. He calls him a weak link in the playoffs in Piston match ups which prevented Utah from winning rings. And, Kenny Smith seconded the motion of Malone's ineptitude against the Rockets. Ouch! Huge charges against Malone which were backed up by Pippen saying that the Mailman does not deliver on Sunday. 🤔
I agree. There was no propaganda. They were straight up dirty. He should own up to it. And... He shouldn't regret not shaking hands. He should flat out say, we hated them, they hated us, Fuck em, we're not shaking their hands.
Kenny is right about the Knicks...they were absolute grinders to watch and they were bruisers but they didn't have that one guy you could count on to score. But I loved watching those 90's Knicks teams!
You could be a role player but have a vast knowledge of the game. Just like you can say not all great players know how to win as an executive/owner. i.e. Jordan Derek Jeter etc etc
No him and his team walking off the court and not shaking hands of the bulls is what made him irrelevant. If he shook Jordan's hand he would prolly got on to the dream team. Prolly be praised by jordan but he chose to be a bitch and that's why jordan lost respect
Thats DUMB...How tf did the Bulls make Isaiah relevant when Isaiah was the ones who were beating up the Bulls... If anything Isaiah made the Bulls relevant
I disagree with Kenny, I believe the Bulls with Jordan would've beat the Rockets in '94. Why? Because it took the Knicks 7 games to beat a Bulls team without Jordan. It took the eventual champion Rockets 7 games to beat those Knicks. To say Jordan wouldn't have made a difference is foolish. The core of the '93-'94 Bulls team was the same but they also added Kukoc.
Edmond Lau yea if not for that blown call they'd have beaten the Knicks and then played a 5th seeded pacer te am. They had a legit chance at the finals without Jordan With Jordan it's a wrap
@@kanyeeast4162 yeah right, they were 2-6 against Olajuwon in those 3 peat years and the Bulls don't have a Patrick Ewing to block 31 of the rockets shots, so Olajuwon would've dusted the bulls bigs and would've avg 4s and 5b a game
@THE Rattler Ewing ain't Olajuwon tho, and Ewing took them to games 6 and 7 by himself! And I meant 2-6 in the early 90's but that don't even matter cuz Olajuwon was 11-5 against Jordan for their first 9 seasons! It was their styles that made Olajuwon Jordans cryptonite, he made Jordan 1 dimensional and on the other end he was completely unstoppable even with double and triple teams! When Phil had the balls to double Olajuwon, he was averaging like 7 assists a game passing off the dribble and passing after jumping to shoot! Jordans game was drive to the basket for a dunk or layup and pull up mid-range over the smaller defender! Olajuwon owned the paint from all the way out to about 17ft from any direction and he would block jump shots not just layups! Not only that he would get like 4 steals a game on the Bulls and even if he didn't get the block he changed every players layup about 50% of the time! And since Jordan already took about 25 shots a game, he would have to take 30 shots against the Rockets so nobody else could kill them while focusing on Jordan. Don't forget Jordan avg like 35p on the Rockets but he usually lost by double digits! I'm not making this shit up
So glad the Bulls swept the Pistons and ended the "bad boys" era. There is physical and then there is dirty, that's what the Pistons were. Not shaking hands pretty much sealed his exclusion from the Dream Team. At that time, Michael Jordan had just won back to back championships and was still on the rise. The NBA was expanding onto the world stage and needed Jordan as their ambassador to NBA basketball. If Jordan said he wasn't going to play if Thomas was on the team, who do you think was going to win that one?
they weren't dirty dumbass I watched 80s basketball. They just got in teams' heads better so everyone wanted to fight them and in turn got dealt with, but every team played physical and threw the occasional jab or slap in the 80s. Celtics were no different, neither were the Lakers against the Pistons in the finals.
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Laimbeer was an example of that Dave Chappelle joke about how the odd white dude rolling with a black gang is the most dangerous one there because he must've done something to earn their respect.
lolol
Clem Cornpone you are for sure a white person
Clem Cornpone fuck off is it racist it’s a Dave Chapelle joke grow up and shut up
Clem Cornpone
1. It’s a Dave Chapelle joke.
2. You decided to make the connection to cheating and gaining black peoples respect. Sounds like you have a preconceived stereotype of black people being cheaters.
3. Shut the fuck up.
killerecho I agree 💯% Laimbeer was the 🃏!!
Grant Hill: "We were the bad boys, but we were bad in a different way" lol
i used to sit Kenny and start Sam Cassell in NBA Live 95 / 96
🤣🤣🤣 facts
I traded Kenny.
@@Only2GendersCommonSense 😂😂😂
Yeah in historic teams i played nba live 06 i put clyde and maxwell as 1 and 2
@@Only2GendersCommonSense 🤣🤣🤣
They never talk enough about Olajuwon. It’s always I passing. The man was so unbelievable, and he’s never celebrated the way he should be.
TRUTH
Hakeems highlights are still incredible. The mans post moves will never be re done
@@chrisweber6090 facts!
Fact man, same with my spurs they don’t talk Duncan and the impact he left on the game it’s nuts Jordan takes up the attention because he defeated a lot of powerhouses.
The fact that no one was ever mad at Houston management for drafting him ahead of Jordan says it all.
Dumars said "Once Michael started passing the ball...I knew we were in trouble".
dolphinbuc I agree with Dumars, however, it was while before he had anyone to pass it too! Jordan never played with another player that was double teamed! So it took Phil, Scotti, and Horace, etc...that's when they were able to trust each other!
Great quote
That's because teams in the 80s could care less how many points Jordan scored, it never resulted in consitant winning.
Joseph Johnroe damn you right
@@debrahollinger7167 Actually its called the triangle offense ... it was used when Phil got there ... the same offense used when Phil went to the Lakers ... all those stars on LA team but they weren't winning until Phil got there
Isaiah: i'll be the angry black man
Ernie: thats my role!
He lite skeen
@M stfu….why come on an nba video
@M if you love it so much. Why the hell are you calling it "soccer" it's Futball. Futbol. Football. Not that other word. It'd make your point better with the "it's the most popular sport" by calling it it's actual name.
@@Figs3 it’s a troll account it comments on every sports videos like this just to make u angry it’s been on AFL NBA baseball golf and everyone best thing u can do is report it for spam
@M football is boring as fuck, watched it when i was like 15 years old. NBA, UFC and NFL are leagues above it. Most people think pop music is good, doesn't mean it is the best music genre. since when does the opinion of the masses matter. most people are idiots with sheep mentality. And i'm from europe ... playing football is fun but watching it is boring. field is too big and 11 men are too many
"Broken up by?"
"By Michael Jordan going to play baseball."
😂😂😂
He's lucky he didn't have to face Olajuwon in the finals! It's almost like he took a vacation while everyone else was battling, including his team
@@armandodelossantos736 The Dream is lucky Kareem retired .... laffin.... Clyde didn't want to see MJ again. The only reason why they beat the Majic is because Anderson missed those free throws.
@@alphasports3743 you're drunk! Olajuwon is 11-5 against Jordan going into 95', but it would've been the Rockets with Otis Thorpe I'm talking about, not the one with Clyde! Against Olajuwon Jordan had to rely on his mid-range and the Rockets guards played up tight making him drive into Olajuwon's domain, so he was only half effective! The 92'-94' Rockets beat the 6x champ Bulls 3 of those 6 Finals the Bulls played in. The Rockets beat the Bulls 91'-93', lose to the Bulls 96'-98'!
Hahahaha
Armando De Los Santos The greatest center of all time. But no one’s beating a Jordan-led team in a Finals series. You know they turned it up another notch. They also beat the teams that specifically beat Houston to get there in several finals.
Isiah: "Im gonna be the angry black man."
Ernie: "That's my role!"
Ernie for president.
"Now you got him in North Korea"... LOL
erin 😂😂😂 that was hilarious
Barry hit so many big shots for the spurs. Great player
Yessir
who would've thought that Steve Kerr would go on to win 3 more championships as a coach.
That team belongs to Marc Jackson
@@armandodelossantos736 no
Armando De Los Santos LMAO that’s funny. Steve Kerr got them playing great. Marc Jackson would never have won a chip with them - stop being so ignorant
I was pretty sure he'd go on to coach, knowing what his father did for a living.
He was almost prophetic here, talking about how tough it is to maintain that hunger to compete for titles year after year. As great as the Dubs winning 3 titles was, getting to the finals 5 years in a row was just as impressive, especially in the Western Conference.
Love these shows. Ernie Johnson is the coolest to not play. You can tell he hangs around these guys off camera.
H&L Minds doubt it
LOL
He's the ultimate work friend
He's been working TNT basketball since the 80s.
Ernie got that All Access Hood Pass...hes at all the cookouts
these are the greatest thing to come to youtube
Kenny likes to think that THEY put a stop to Bulls championship streak. Lmao 🤣🤣🤣
Real talk, they could have beat the Bulls. Chicago's only flaw was matching up against elite bigs, which they never had to do outside of Ewing. Shaq and Grant destroyed them in '95, which is why they got Rodman. Olajuwon would have given them fits if they matched in the Finals.
@@user-ij2cg8ft1f94 they would’ve had grant
Of course, THEY can stop the bulls championship streak
I’m kind of shocked they didn’t mention either the Seattle Supersonics, or the Portland trailblazers. Both excellent squads. Really exciting to watch as well.
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Great point. Both teams don't make the Finals without being one on the top teams of the 90's
There were so many good squads in the 90s
Brent mentioned the Super Sonics
For the sake of time, I think this episode focused on the teams that get it done, who won it all.
I absolutely love Ernie Johnson. I laughed my ass off with the angry black guy part, "hey that's my role!" He's a great host and patient mediatior.
Brent Barry should have his own podcast, very insightful
Like the rest don't 🤦🏽
He was great!
very INSIGHTFUL just ask Tony Parkers wife
He should coach
@@ceerez1002 wasn't it Tony Parker that got with Brent Barry's wife?
89-94 Ewing should be talked about more. He had style and had the stat to prove it. one would have to say that Olajuwon stood out more in the 94 finals but it went seven games and the Knicks were in it for most of it in game seven despite John Starks. It was a legit a series as any but Kenny seems to have forgotten that.
@Dani G80 No other Hall of Famer did more with less. Every great one who won a championship had a fellow Hall of Famer/All Star on their team. Ewing had, at best, an above average supporting cast.
Agreed…Ewing was a beast plus If he wasn’t hurt that 8th seed Knicks squad would of gave the spurs a run for there money.
Thank you! People forgot that '94 finals went 7 games and two legacies would be vastly different. Thanks a lot Starks 🤦♂️
Yup. The Knicks went on to lose by just 6 points with Starks having his worst game ever. Imagine if he just had a semi decent game.
@@ninowaves4061 The Knicks' small ball lineup helped them beat the Pacers in the ECF when Ewing was injured so they prolly don't even get to the finals with Ewing. He was old at that time. In his prime he really shoulda had that second guy to help him win and it's a shame he didn't. If he had a Pippen, Kemp, Stockton, Kevin Johnson or Dan Majerle, he woulda won like 1-2 rings
Ernie is the coolest dude. Just a regular guy, with a love of the game. Love how he gets these guys together and he knows as much, if not more than they do.
#OpenCourt4Life!
One of the BIG reasons the Bullz won there 2nd 3peat was the addition of Dennis #91 Rodman ...FACTS! 💯
Sean L Dean and steve kerr
No. 91
SO...
Rodman is the only reason they made it back to the finals again
Yeah that's correct. I don't think they would have even won a fourth title without Rodman.
God I miss the 90's
Man,u probably born '99
I was born in 1990 and i wish i was born in 1980 so i could live thru the 90's. #AMAZINGera
@@JayNit2 well, i mean, you did live through the 90s
@@Calilou52 yea i kno i just wish i coulda been older. I was born in 1990 i was a baby and didnt kno shit.
jay2018 you literally lived through the 90s
The 95-96 Chicago Bulls defeated the Houston Rockets 100 to 86 and 98 to 87 in the two games they played against each other in the regular season, so I don't know why Kenny is trying to act like they didn't have any difficulty playing against the Bulls.
He was referring to the 91-93 Bulls, 5-1 against them. 96-98 Rockets vs Bulls 1-5.
@@CatharsisEffectThe Bulls without Jordan split the matchups with the Rockets from 93-95.
Cerebral stuff, fun. It's sad seeing those clips of Penny. So graceful. Talk about a tragic career.
Farhad Sani A healthy Penny Hathaway was unstoppable
@@troymatinca6484 unlimited potential....ability and potential to be one of the best to ever play the game. Watching him elevate on the way to the bucket, he had crazy vertical....
Man if that dude could have stayed healthy. He was so fun to watch those first 2 years.
Grant Hill also
He had such a beautiful game. Unguardable style. He had this stutter - hop dribble thing he would do and just dissapere.
Huge Jordan fan, but I’m thankful for the bad boys. They weren’t afraid of him, and they made him earn everything he got. Was good for Michael. Was good for the sport. True battles.
💯💯💯
And to this day Orlando Magics still rue the time they declined that Shaq contract extension. This close to become a new dynasty, instead the history of the team filling up with "what if" tell tales.
Brian Fantana imagin him T-mac and Penny on the same team. Man they would have swept the hell outta the Rockets
Well, Penny would still become a shell of himself due to injuries.
Big Blue penny knees was done by the time tmac got to Orlando
MJ and Pippen were determined to sweep Orlando because of how the beat them the year prior. I knew they were gonna be done when they lifted Horace Grant on their shoulders. MJ and Pippen were fuming. Shaq did good the leave cause MJ was gonna burn them the rest of thier career.
@@TIMMYTRUITT All 3 years that remained of Shaq's career? What? You do remember Jordan played 3 years then retired again right?
if you watch the dream team documentary from a few years back they say that Isaiah not shaking the bulls hands did not look good and factored into the decision
You can't talk about 90s basketball without mentions Shawn Kemp, Gary Payton and the Seattle super Sonics. Shawn Kemp threw down some monstrous dunks. there were a couple years when they won a lot of games and they were exceptionally good. If Shawn Kemp didn't make questionable lifestyle choices...? Eitherway, you have to recognise Kemp in the 90 s.
They were all mentioned .. Dos you watch the vid?
I think if kemp had kept it together the sonics probably win two championships
@@pman8478 nope. As a huge sonic fan during that era we couldn't beat the bulls. I think what really hurt was the fact we never did get a good center like Alonzo, Ewing,or rick smits to round out our team.
The Sonics couldn’t beat the Bulls, so their chance was the years when the Rockets won. Had they kept their cool, they could have won those 2 championships. And as Kenny The Jet said: they had their number
@@garygorospe5004 Barely; they didn't talk about how good the team was, or ask Steve Kerr about the 96 Finals, for example.
I really miss NBA open court bring it back PLEASE
The biggest reason the bulls got beat in 1995 by magic in the playoffs and swept them in return the next yr is because of addition of Dennis rodman. Can't believe Kerr didn't mention that. Also Horace grant was out during the magic bulls series in 1996 except for the first game. The interior presence was far more crucial back then than in today's games
William Chae YES!
William Chae Definitely. You're absolutely right.
William Chae Definitely. You're absolutely right.
Biggest reason was Jordan in baseball shape compared to basketball shape. His legs weren't strong enough to post guys up.
grant wouldn't have changed the result. more than having rodman, what bulls had was way better chemistry than they did the season before. when MJ came back, only pippen and BJ were part of the 1993 roster. no one else knew how to play with MJ yet and with just 17 games left, the bulls had no time to learn how to play as a team.
Pistons really helped mj n scottie mentally and physically tough...and helped their game overall...
iron sharpens iron
I know Isaiah. Don’t want to talk about pippen only a few said his name. But Scottie was a beast. Scottie and Micheal together whip those team not Micheal by himself Scottie was a huge factor beating the pistons
Scottie wasn’t a big deal until later. The pistons won two series’s against the bulls one with the Jordan rules and then a second with Jordan and Scottie.
Harrison you're a bitch
Scottie was more a factor in the 2nd threepeat. He actually started to play better after the first Championship. But Pippen didn't become the player we all remember until JORDAN retired and he became the leader everyone looked to.
Yeah Scottie had to man up because Rodman was his man in those other playoffs series.
@@herbertnelsonjr.9899 and never won a Championship lost to the Magic
These guys are great. Ernie is the Larry Bird of NBA broadcasting.
I love how Isaiah singing Mike's praises even though it's hard
I just miss when teams would overcome those rivalry humps.
Nowadays not so much
Steve Keer got a lot of minutes on one of the best teams ever assembled.
People are deceived by his appearance
Great shooter and cool guy
2:17 zeke: "no, imma be the angry black man"
ej: "that's *my* role" xD
I loved the Isiah, Steve Smith stuff here it's really beautiful. Everyone needs good mentors
Penny Hardaway was legendary in Orlando. It’s sad that their management messed up with not keeping them together.
He still would've had a phenomenal career without Shaq had it not been for those injuries.
Shaq got greedy too as well
this why jordan was so great, he won all thos rings without ever having a good big man on his team...almost every other champ had that big man to dominate..., and during jordans riegn the nba had the most and best big men
arlichar11 he did have absolute lockdown defenders on his team tho especially during the last 3 peat. Harper, Jordan pippen and rodman could probably stop some teams playing 4v5 lol.
arlichar11 how about Rodman? The best rebounder of all time
He had the greatest defensive and all around player on his team, Scottie Pippen .
So saying Rodman is in 91-93 Championship?
Michael Jeffrey Jordan will always be the goat and there will be no conversation ever so it ended for me a long time ago Jordan will always be number one in my book for ever
This is the greatest basketball show on youtube. Love watching these episodes all the time. Miss those 90's goddamn..
I love these too. I used to watch them with my dad when he was still alive.
We naturally associate toughness and physicality with defense (not pretty, grunt work), and associate offense with aesthetics and grace (poetry in motion). A defense first team (Detroit, early Spurs, and Knicks) usually was characterized as being tough and usually was a villain-like character compared to offensive teams (Bulls, Magic, to a lesser extent Rockets) who were favorites.
lol what's funny is that if you've watched Suns vs Spurs in Steve Nash's era, you'd see that the Spurs kept the bad boys tactics somewhat WAY after the rule changes. I personally find that more dirty given the context lol.
The Bulls weren't really an offensive team, unlike say, the Lakers. They relied on their D to win championships.
Ellis Marcell
bulla werent am offencive team At all. and in there second 3peat even less they Had the lowest pase in the league, bull was all about defence.
phoenix, portland, lakers, seattle, miami, charlotte, cavs, and golden state were the offencive minset temas un the 90s
bulls weren't an offensive team. They were a defensive team. This is why pip don't get the credit. He dominated on defense and anchored it.
I thoroughly enjoy watching all of the Open Courts. It's interesting listening to former players reflect on where the game has come from and reminisce about when they played.
as a person who grew up in the 90's watching jordan highlights every morning on espn.. Im telling you that basketball was more than "fun and exciting" it was dangerous, you never knew what would happen. you could see fights, crazy fans, humiliating dunks and taunts. It was a rollercaster ride, and sure threes are kinda neat, its not keeping me on the edge of my seat. I miss it a lot.
When sportscasters actually had talent…nowadays ESPN is unwatchable..
Sportscenter was my before school ritual. I remember it just kept repeating all morning lol. Haven't watched ESPN in 25 years.
”what happened to Rodman!” 😂😂
Isaiah Thomas really knows the game of basketball i love listening to him critique the game, players, etc.!
He is sharp, but he has an ego, and a jealous streak runs through him.
I think he’s still sore about not making the Dream Team and like him or hate him he should have been on that team, imho!
@@DuaneWiseChristianC Yes, but over whom? Stockton? They had even numbers 2 SG, 2 PG, 6FWd, 2C. Do they add Isiah and make uneven numbers? Or do they bump Stockton? I don't know if there was a limit to the roster for Olympic play.
Still the best basketball decade ever. The zenith of the NBA.
80’s was the best..90’s was right behind…this era currently is not the basketball I grew up on…
There's a Legend sitting right there with them, looking back at this video. This segment was taken JUST before Steve Kerr took the head coaching job for the Golden State Warriors. 6 Championships in 8 years, right after this. That's pretty incredible, you ask me.
Kerr is highly underrated in my opinion as a coach and player. That dude is and was a beast. I don't care what anybody says.
The 90’s had the most NBA Super and All Stars in the history of the NBA! Facts!!!
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OG Hill off the break, quote "he trusted his teammates then." 5:15
I would have loved to see the Rockets vs Bulls Finals.
Me too. Rockets in 6 or 7.
If it was 94 or 95…not before those years or after
@@sdmurphy20 I think they win one ring if Jordan stays and that's when Clyde came to the team.
l love this shit
Me too!
We are old, we all wish it was still like this
The 90s and 00s is the best era to watch.
80s & 90s. 00s sucked.
@@privatejoker9090 u didn't even born in the 80s/ 90s. I bet u born in the 00s.
The 80's and 90's were my favorites.
I. Thomas just admitted that the organization tanked to get a draft pick
SHO FMF He was joking
SHO FMF He was dead ass, he laughed but he was super serious. The Pistons aren't the only team to tank. 76ERS do it for a living.
SHO FMF he ain't the only one the Spurs tanked for Duncan
They all do, how do you think the Lakers got Magic & the Spurs got Duncan the same way. If my star gets hurt he's more valuable wearing a suit on the bench.
@@dowardwashington9958 The Spurs really hit the jackpot with that one after Robinsons injury
90's NBA...the best Team Sport ever.
From every Stand Point.
Love that Thomas kept bringing up lambeer with defending them he knows he’s the only guy who loves Bill so he defends him a real friend
I genuinely hated the Pistons for sure but the talent is undeniable. Laimbeer would do well now I think, tall, tough, can defend, good rebounder, and an excellent pick and pop shooter even out to the 3.
The Boston Celtics announcers voice is classic.🤣😂
What a great time for basketball!!!Soooooooo many great teams and players!!!
One of the best teams not to win it is the early 90s Portland Trailblazers and they don't get recognized. 63-19 season And Clyde Drexler was a similar player to Jordan
Those Blazer teams NEVER get any love on Open Court, and that's a drag. They were the best team in the West for 3 years and you never hear anyone talk about them or Clyde, etc. Ernie even tried to open the door for them in the final segment and they never got a mention from the panel. I know they didn't win a title, but those were some great teams that everyone had issues with. That 90-91 team you mentioned that went 63-19 beat Chicago handedly in two blowouts that season. They got upended in the conference finals to the Lakers, but that year was their big missed opportunity to win one before Michael figured it out.
Spox News They've talked about them now on the episode "Best teams to not win a title".
the blazers would have won titles in 1990 and 1992 if they didn't have to face 2 of the greatest teams of all time. they also lost in 1991 in the WCF to lakers. the early 90s blazers could have won a title in any of those seasons, but they had to face those 3 teams.
Clyde wasn’t similar. That was a misconception. Clyde wasn’t even close - just an athletic guard.
You're right. Sometimes it all comes down to luck of the draw. Time and place.
The segment where you should’ve had Chuck in. Especially getting insight from a guy who played MJ in the Finals
And getting knocked out of the playoffs by the Rockets in back to back years
@@scottwalding7766 and knocked out by the jazz in the WCF by a Stockton 3 at the buzzer
Isaiah's analysis is spot on. The recent documentary, "The Last Dance" echoes his sentiments. Great job here, Zeke!
Zeke is my favorite PG
Thats funny, cause he seem to change his mind about the situation depending on what makes him look better. in the last dance he said he wouldnt change a thing and other dumb brainless shit.
Hes a petty shmock who still mad he doesnt get the shine he desperately wants.
Isiah cant even comment on how good the bulls were without putting down Jordan🤧
@rudy2fat What truth MJ ain't bitter Isaiah is
@rudy2fat MJ is class personified
@@ii9714 MJ is a well known scumbag.
He still hating
Vanessa Vaughn Lmaoo was wondering would I see this in the comments
This is an amazing segment, and Ernie absolutely crushed it.
Greatest era of basketball. Every team with a 1-2 punch. The most HOFers compared to any era. Man to man defense, post play, some of the greatest centers to play. The days when you need to set screens to get look at a 3.
Kenny is really just like Shaq said" walking around with 2 rings thinking himself a legend"
he is a legend, and your a noob
@@mgvolts1140 no he isn't
@@mgvolts1140 he's no legend, and he owes both those rings to Olajuwon
@The R. Olajuwon owned Jordan, 11-5 against Jordan for 9 straight seasons
The R. You shut the Hakeem Superfan down.
That was a good one Ernie: "They were broken up by Michael Jordan playing baseball." He knows like everyone else knows that if Jordan would have played all 8 years he would have won 8 rings.
There is no way any team could have done 8 straight 100 game seasons. They would have broken down after after maybe five in a row I think.
Doward Washington
Kinda awkward to say in a comment on a video where Steve Kerr says there’s no way they woulda won 8 in a row.
I say they would have won 8 chips, but most likely not in a row. We forget that in 93, Jordan and Pippen were tired because they weren't able to rest during the summer before. Unless they were able to get good rest during that summer, they would not have won in 93-94. They would've won in 94-95 and 98-99.
kcire10 10
Maybe 7.
By 99, even Jordan was tired. The man was 36.
@@paliboy93 .... Think about this, the season was shortened to 50 games in 98-99. Scotty Pippen played all 82 games that season and his numbers were great. Jordan would have gotten the proper rest he needed, along with the others, and they would've killed. The title SA won that year was a fluke. They were almost swept the very next year in the first round by Phoenix.
Incredible analyzing of the 90s and 80s basketball. Very group here able to break the game down in ways that no one else can.
Who else misses the 80s/90s NBA ? Today's game is not as good ...... period .........
An understatement if ever there was one in regards to sports.
Not even close. Those days of strong mental and physical men is dearly missed. Don’t think it will ever be like that again with all this technology that makes life so much easier. Not to mention the monetary value of a business, team or player nowadays make the minds of players lazier.
@Mr. Bovine Joni based on what? Lol your on your own on that one!
TDS today game is better - stop lying to yourself. The league was full of brutes back then why were only in the league because toughness. Now players (bar very very few) are in cause of skill
I do think guys like Embiid would dominate in the 90s. Maybe even Ben Simmons. Play today does suck though. No defense at all.
Great job dude please keep uploading Open Court!!!! Thank you for these episodes that you uploaded
The 90s Magic was a nightmare. You put that team in today's era and 60 wins easy. You have a long PG, a reliable 3pt shooter and Shaq? Goodness.
Only thing annoying is Kenny thinking he was that good. He should act more like Barry and Kerr.
Christian Cole He’s right though. Kenny’s not in the same league as guys like Chuck and Shaq, but speaks like he is.
Na, Kenny Smith was clutch during those two Title runs and he was a starter. Much more solidified than Barry and Kerr, who were never starters on a championship team.
Persian Warrior that’s when you just knock a city boy out to check him
Kenny is a champion, So he speaks as a champion. Is he in that higher echelon of nba greats? No, but he was huge in the winning of those championships.
Let's Get Lit Kerr’s clutch
Thanks for putting these vids up I love the convos they have. Its always gratifying to have the chance to hear and see these pioneers of the game. It's a shame we didn't have that chance with players from decades further back.
Sometimes Kenny can be really annoying but hell I love his Hakeem storys, he should write a book about his time at the rockets.
All the times he brought him some water?
@@matt9546 lmfao
The Bulls were the best team of the 90's hands down.
ERIC MORRIS nobody has ever said different
No shit.
Wauw, you must be a basketball genius.
Best team ever lol. Why is this even a liked comment.
Finally, someone has the balls to say it
Brent Barry made some phenomenal points here.
Brent should coach in the NBA.
@@davidsantos4870 or do his own type of analysis show or something, I like him too.
Great conversations about guys we watched growing up! Wonderful concept for the players to share, and the fans to get a little (fascinating) insight from the players perspective.
A great episode of a great show. Covered all the bases.
Scottie was a problem on defense, that dedication and build
He's overrated he was never good just a 6th man
Scottie got trained by the 🐐
@@Steve_305 lmao troll
I know some people think Brent's voice is too monotone, but I think his skills dissecting the players and the team's talent is very underrated
This is one of my favorite sports shows all about the game of basketball where legends and hall of fame great players share their thoughts, stories and perspectives about their playing days and games as well as on a variety of topics in the league. God bless them all for doing this.
Could listen to these guys all night,love the old stories.
Kerr is accurate and played when defense existed.
Steve Kerr is low key 🔐 savage
Very intelligent guy
Off Playstation 2, Orland Magics was my favorite team. Penny running with Anderson and 3D shooting and Shaq being Shaq...
No Shaq, Reggie or Charles ? They were instrumental in the 90's.
Trey Jones SHAQ IS MORE 2000'S
That's what I was saying watching this Charles, Shaq, and Reggie starred on those teams. Everyone in that room except Zeke were roleplayers. Kenny Smith is hilarious to me. We wouldn't know who he was without TNT.
Doward Washington I beg your pardon? Kenny was the second option on that Rockets team for the first championship run. He was instrumental in their system, and was even a candidate for the MVP award in 1991 season. He was a popular player even competing in a dunk contest. Which is why he regularly judges the contest post career.
When did you start following the game? Those of us who grew up in the 80's and 90's know The Jet very well.
@@LynxStarAuto you must be a Rockets fan????
Maybe they was busy....
Man, loved these discussions. The respect, the jabs and jokes! Always a good watch.
Always
90's wuz all about the bulls
Probably my favorite sports show, good stuff.
Isiah still oozes with jealousy of Michael Jordan. It shows you how competitive 80s - 90s ball was compared to now. Dudes still don't talk today and it's been 30 years lol
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Yep, disgust and dislike was bone-deep not just this surface bs we see if at all now.
wish I got to witness the NBA in the 90s; lowkey feels like the funnest era and not just cuz of Jordan
90's decade in itself was just a fun time!! Id say 85 to 93 was the zenith for NBA of course it was the time when I was a kid an u might end up feeling the same way someday who knows..we're now living in the social media world which in my opinions sux cuzz I can remember a simpler time..Detroit Bad Boys fan rite here 88..89-90..we really won that 88 chip dont forget lol 90's NBA was ok but all ya seen was Jordan Red jerseys an 🏆 yr after yr after yr--Houston rockets then Bulls again-yr after yr after yr I preferd those blue jerseys instead lol
@@jbl7946 based of docs and vids I've watched 80s decade was wild! the 90s just gets alotta coverage cuz like u mentioned Jordan and his globalization of the game but it really built off the momentum the 80s brought; 2000s was pretty cool and I wish I was a lil older to really remember it cuz I feel that decade was the peak of it all in terms of the nba and pop culture and early internet in one without the oversharing of social media like today's game; I do appreciate all the highlights and quick info we get from social media today tho I'll give it that
Whoa! The shade 😎 that Isiah throws at the mailman mailman darkens the room 😳. He calls him a weak link in the playoffs in Piston match ups which prevented Utah from winning rings. And, Kenny Smith seconded the motion of Malone's ineptitude against the Rockets. Ouch!
Huge charges against Malone which were backed up by Pippen saying that the Mailman does not deliver on Sunday. 🤔
Yeah right... The Pistons were dirty af.
I’m not mad @em but Isaiah never owns up to anything.
Filthy Dirty
It's not about the hand shake, he plays the victim and acts shocked that ppl were pissed.
FUNKSTAPPUHHH Absolutely right and miss those battles with the heat and Knicks and I’m a huge heat 🔥fan !!
@Chuck chuck you don't even have to go that far back. Just pre LeBron
I agree. There was no propaganda. They were straight up dirty. He should own up to it. And... He shouldn't regret not shaking hands. He should flat out say, we hated them, they hated us, Fuck em, we're not shaking their hands.
'He's the nice guy, the one that hits you.' beautiful flavor text for a trading card
Kenny is right about the Knicks...they were absolute grinders to watch and they were bruisers but they didn't have that one guy you could count on to score. But I loved watching those 90's Knicks teams!
I just realized Big smoke looks like DENNIS SCOTT
😂😂😂
Kenny talks so much on open court for a role player. The rest of the role players are humble an know their place Kenny talks like he lead the team
Can you blame him? I mean he used to bring Hakeem some water, all the time!
You could be a role player but have a vast knowledge of the game. Just like you can say not all great players know how to win as an executive/owner. i.e. Jordan Derek Jeter etc etc
@@x-ray3431 we all know Kenny thinks he's way better than he is cause those finals run's and having a good game during the finals
He's not wrong about the rockets though. They probably still win those championships if Michael didn't retire.
He's a new Yorker what do u expect 😂
Incredible jewel's of the NBA. Wow, just unbelievable🤔🌍🌴🔥🔥💥💥💥
Love how isaiah thomas cant addmit the bulls made him irrelevant
No him and his team walking off the court and not shaking hands of the bulls is what made him irrelevant. If he shook Jordan's hand he would prolly got on to the dream team. Prolly be praised by jordan but he chose to be a bitch and that's why jordan lost respect
@@bradennichols3154 its not right, but there are no rules that say you gave to be a good sport when you win or lose
Thats DUMB...How tf did the Bulls make Isaiah relevant when
Isaiah was the ones who were beating up the Bulls...
If anything Isaiah made the Bulls relevant
@@tttttttttttttttt5634 who said anything about making him relevant? Irrelevant is the word at play here
@@bradennichols3154 so the way the bulls were bad mouthing the Pistons to the media wasn’t a bitch move?
I disagree with Kenny, I believe the Bulls with Jordan would've beat the Rockets in '94. Why? Because it took the Knicks 7 games to beat a Bulls team without Jordan. It took the eventual champion Rockets 7 games to beat those Knicks. To say Jordan wouldn't have made a difference is foolish. The core of the '93-'94 Bulls team was the same but they also added Kukoc.
Also it took the Knicks 7 games to beat the Indiana Pacers in the ECF that year.
Edmond Lau yea if not for that blown call they'd have beaten the Knicks and then played a 5th seeded pacer te am. They had a legit chance at the finals without Jordan
With Jordan it's a wrap
@@kanyeeast4162 yeah right, they were 2-6 against Olajuwon in those 3 peat years and the Bulls don't have a Patrick Ewing to block 31 of the rockets shots, so Olajuwon would've dusted the bulls bigs and would've avg 4s and 5b a game
Every matchup is different.
@THE Rattler Ewing ain't Olajuwon tho, and Ewing took them to games 6 and 7 by himself! And I meant 2-6 in the early 90's but that don't even matter cuz Olajuwon was 11-5 against Jordan for their first 9 seasons! It was their styles that made Olajuwon Jordans cryptonite, he made Jordan 1 dimensional and on the other end he was completely unstoppable even with double and triple teams! When Phil had the balls to double Olajuwon, he was averaging like 7 assists a game passing off the dribble and passing after jumping to shoot! Jordans game was drive to the basket for a dunk or layup and pull up mid-range over the smaller defender! Olajuwon owned the paint from all the way out to about 17ft from any direction and he would block jump shots not just layups! Not only that he would get like 4 steals a game on the Bulls and even if he didn't get the block he changed every players layup about 50% of the time! And since Jordan already took about 25 shots a game, he would have to take 30 shots against the Rockets so nobody else could kill them while focusing on Jordan. Don't forget Jordan avg like 35p on the Rockets but he usually lost by double digits! I'm not making this shit up
lol these old episodes still makes me laugh...come on kenny...beat the bulls LOL stop it!
So glad the Bulls swept the Pistons and ended the "bad boys" era. There is physical and then there is dirty, that's what the Pistons were.
Not shaking hands pretty much sealed his exclusion from the Dream Team. At that time, Michael Jordan had just won back to back championships and was still on the rise. The NBA was expanding onto the world stage and needed Jordan as their ambassador to NBA basketball. If Jordan said he wasn't going to play if Thomas was on the team, who do you think was going to win that one?
Edmond Lau Pistons were not really dirty. They just fought more than any other team and destroyed the other team's confidence
they weren't dirty dumbass I watched 80s basketball. They just got in teams' heads better so everyone wanted to fight them and in turn got dealt with, but every team played physical and threw the occasional jab or slap in the 80s. Celtics were no different, neither were the Lakers against the Pistons in the finals.
There's a reason Laimbeer was called the enforcer. Pistons were dirty as shit, and everyone fucking knows it.
@@privatejoker9090 there no rule playing like that back then, what you expect? Cookies?
Greg Hubbard nah you’re just a Celtics fan or somethin