Rich Paul Says Zach LaVine "Deserves Better" In New Report
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Haize & Pat The Designer react to Rich Paul's comments on Zach LaVine's situation with the Bulls front office. The guys also talk about their excitement over the Bulls Summer League team.
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Zach knew getting the surgery was going to kill that piston trade.
We should play him first 2 months 40 mins a game. Let him get numbers and trade. If no market, we bench him until he demands trade and is willing to waive trade kicker. He’s just a selfish player he can’t be apart of this reload
I’m probably the only fan who thinks this. Keep Lavine, hopefully he plays with something to prove. When contending teams have their injuries they might be interested in Lavine.
We heard from Julian in the draft lottery day, KC interviewd him when he was representing the Bulls in the event and Julian said he was fully healed. It was just a sprained foot.
Thanks Pat you on point the Paul analysis👍
Tyler Thomas and Marcus Domask show much promise, check their highlights
How does Pat know that Zach had surgery to stop the trade and NOT because he was in too much pain??? As fans and commentators, we act like EVERTHING people say has to have some semblance of truth. If an article says that the relationship is shattered, you will have a group of people, maybe even execs that believe Zach contributes to that. He should remind people that Zach has been professional and from his part is not adding to the problems in the relationship.
The newest article yesterday KC said that the phrasing of when AK put out that statement about zach electing to have surgery was taken by some and spun a certain way
Here's the quote by KC
This phrasing, along with rumors that the Detroit Pistons were interested in trading for LaVine, created a false narrative that LaVine opted for surgery over joining the rebuilding Pistons. Multiple league sources at that time indicated that the Pistons’ decision-makers were split on trading for LaVine and that the Bulls weren’t close on a deal
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At the same time....We have seen what the ceiling for 7+ years with Zach with a team around him. The biggest thing this year is securing that Spurs pick!!!
About Zachs "impact on winning"
Let’s use an example to illustrate this concept. Klay Thompson is one of the greatest shooters of all time and, for much of his career, was a quality defender. On any team in the NBA, Klay would have been a great shooter and scorer and a solid 3&D wing. But what’s made him truly impactful and also given him 5 All-Star appearances is being in Golden State. Playing next to Stephen Curry, the greatest shooter in NBA history and someone with incredible gravity, as well as human Swiss army knife Draymond Green, has allowed Klay to focus on what he does best and mitigates all of his weaknesses. Klay Thompson doesn’t rebound, pass, or dribble much. He doesn’t create for teammates, doesn’t get to the free throw line, doesn’t consistently draw doubles. None of these are his strengths, and none of it has mattered because all Klay needed to do to help the Warriors be successful is shoot threes and play defense. He is a square peg that has been placed in a square hole.
Has anyone, at any point during Golden State’s dominance, questioned Klay Thompson’s ability to impact winning? Of course not. But what if instead you had placed Klay Thompson on a rebuilding team and asked him to be the primary creator for that team? You’d expect that, over time, Klay would improve his playmaking and learn to draw more free throws. But having the ball in his hands so much would mitigate his ability to drill 3s at such a high rate, his defense would suffer, and the things that make Klay Klay would be muted. And even though that version of Klay would end up being a better and more skilled version of himself due to being forced into a role beyond his current capabilities, his ability to impact team success would be diminished. It’s funny to think about, but true: he’d be a better actual player and everyone would think he’s worse.
We are seeing this play out in real time with Mikal Bridges. He was an incredible 3&D option in Phoenix as the #3-4 option. Now that he’s the #1 option in Brooklyn, his usage has spiked and his defense has waned and the Nets are not winning. Is Mikal a worse player than before? Quite the opposite; but the context has completely changed. Luckily, every executive has a relatively fresh memory of Mikal being awesome in Phoenix and his perception has not taken much of a hit, if any. Luckily the New York Knicks have resolved that issue by trading for him and placing him back into his previous role.
There are a lot of players who never get to be in the perfect context for their skills, let alone a great or good one. Zach LaVine is such a player. In fact, it’s hard to think of a player individually as good as Zach LaVine that has been placed in a worse role and team context for this long of a time in recent memory.
One thing I feel like is being ignored by people defending Zach impact on winning is that nobody is talking about him just losing and not dressing us to wins. It’s literally about how he plays and his IQ. Mikal is a great example. He’s on a bad team but guess what we can still see he personally isn’t a big problem over there and his play is still one where you can see he can for himself into what the team asks for. Nobody has really seen that from Zach. Now of course it doesn’t do him many favors when he was the only guy who could reliably score but also he’s been well away from those times for at least 3 years now and yet he’s still the exact same guy making the exact same decisions. And this doesn’t mean he’s absolutely bad and the antithesis to winning but as it stands now GMs don’t have a reason to think he’s just some great impact player outside of just scoring and it still requires him having a good amount of iso. Which is different than klay who yes got lucky with golden state but everyone can see the dude could create a bit when needed but he does more offensively that doesn’t require him just taking shots. He moves around just as much as Steph was and that alone makes his impact to winning way higher than Zach who does move around some but mostly he does it just to come get the ball and iso. Even Coby is better moving off all than Zach.
Ultimately nobody denies Zach skill or discount he didn’t have the best teams but also nobody thinks that just means it’s a cop out to not be better than he has been and play a style more conductive to winning because teams aren’t easily fooled to just think you scoring points in losses is great just because you were able to iso and will your way desire if it broke the flow of offense or even helped it at all
It's not bad for Rich Paul. It's bad for AK and I'm just waiting for Demar to start opening up. This front office are not doing themselves any favours when they specifically said they were trying to change the culture of this organisation and make it a free agency destination. They are not backing up anything they are saying. Competitive lol they aren't winning more than 25 games next season. Have to edit to continue my comment and been coping a whole heap from Demar and Zach haters. But this team ain't going anywhere any time soon so I hope people who you Bulls fans who wanted a full rebuild embrace this and don't complain when the Bulls are struggling at the bottom of the eastern conference. Rebuilding is not fun and there are no guarantees. Just my take.
Nathan Knight is the wild card. He’s undersized as a center but can run, make the midrange shot and is still young. I see him getting minutes before Funk or Drell.
I will push back a little. To play defense. I think Zach made it quite clear when Zo went down that he was not happy about the Pace at which the team was playing, and was making the argument, way back when, that Coby is really good and shouldn't be benched in a Modern Offense, we need Thee Ball and a Fast Pace. Low IQ? 3 Years Too Quick by some accounts. And when he tried to assert Dominance and Force Faster Pace he was Benched. I'd shoot bad if I was that Mad too. To play defense. Rich Paul has a Point to Make.
He was only benched in a game he played terrible or he was hurt he was never benched when he tried to "assert dominance"
@@LockedOnBulls He was trying to assert dominance by arguing with Billy who was telling him to slow it down. He was pushing the pace, Billy told him stop, Zach didn't, the team sided with Billy he shot like 4% on the night. I am aware. That is the game I am talking about. Call it a hissy fit over Pacing if you want, but I think he was right. You can't base a Modern Team around a mid-range method shooter. P Bev distributed fairly. And also said the Bulls are on some BS.
I think Pat is mixing Henry Drell with that white guard we used to have. He used to only shoot 3's.
It's going to tak Coby White getting a Lovine comtract for people to really get what's going on.
He does we should bring him back give him one season and if it doesn't work ok but I don't think we should just go in on him like he can't do anything the problem is this is cobys team he has to take a back seat but still contribute
Zach and Tray young going to the Brooklyn Nets
From some statements made by Zach and actions he took, he's just left me with sour feelings towards him. This is slowly becoming Rich Paul's biggest failure as an agent that not a lot of people are putting blame on for this situation.
What did he do?
He kept injury himself therefore surgery was something that was necessary.
@@personalfreedom7843he chose to do it so much later then he should’ve
@personalfreedom7843 him choosing surgery was not that big of a deal to me, but that stint in the first half of the season when he left waiting to be traded and he was chilling with Rich. Nobody wanted him, so he came back. During his post-season conference the year he got his contact he was really unprofessional towards the team and the city. I don't hate the guy but I don't feel bad things aren't going his way.
I'm hoping with Demar leaving Zach and the FO can fix the relationship.
Taking elective surgery to avoid being traded is the OPPOSITE of being professional. And that decision has screwed everyone involved. Screwed the team and looks like put the nail in the coffin in Zach’s reputation. Remember this is the guy we all saw play great defense on the USA team but sucks in the NBA? Shows it’s his effort/attitude/motor etc. boooo Zach!!
So let me get this straight. He is suppose to accept being traded to a worse situation than the Bulls being the Pistons because that's a professional thing to do. You sound crazy. NO ONE is going to willingly be forced into a terrible situation.
He had surgery on something that he injured twice.
Zach’s careers been on a decline since he left Nike for New-balance showed him and klutch sports is all about the money !
Agreed!!!
@@tellthetruth4everbro you are a max player. Honor your contract and quit bitching! They are trading you because you are not doing your part. Deal with it and step up your play!
Deserves better? He hasn’t been mistreated in the SLIGHTEST 😂
What else do we expect ZL's agent to say? ZL may be professional, but other teams are willing to spend unworthy dollars on him. The Bulls had to spend that bread, others don't.
But also everybody and they momma saw how Zach was mopping around not playing defense and just giving up on the team at times last season and no team wants that's sometimes you have to "save face"
They should get Dwight Howard
If the Bulls wanna rebuild then they can still keep LaVine... Ain't like he can take a team anywhere
Bro zach lavine is a great player .... Just look at how people are riding bronnys D just because of his dad being lebron .... I guarantee bronny is never going to be better than Zach lavine ... Lavine is a beast when hes playing his game and if he stays in Chicago now that demar is gone he will get more chances to show it .
What does Bronny have to do with Lavine?
@@LockedOnBulls Brodie what has bronny done in the NBA?..... Zach Lavine is getting hate even when we know he is a bucket ... And bronny getting love just because of his dad ... Come on my guy .. if you think bronny will be better than Zach Lavine then I'll take my L.
what I'm saying is how does it make sense everyone's hating on Lavine but all on bronny D when he hasn't earned anything?
Like sanogo a lot
Paul most likely gave Zach bad career advice, life advice...general advice. Ultimately the decision to re-sign with Chicago was Zach's, of course. But you know...he and Klutch did EVERYTHING according to the CBA. You don't need Klutch for that. You need Klutch for what comes later. THIS is the later. It's just a lot later than Rich and Zach schemed it would be, and far from the ideal they imagined. So now Klutch is cleaning up the wreckage best they can. The only mistake the Bulls made was not reading the tea leaves and trading Zach after they re-signed him when his value was at an all time high. Among their numerous boneheaded basketball decisions, of course. Would Zach be happy if the Bulls were a winning team and better organization all these years he's been here? Who knows? Thats not even reality. The reality is this is just the latest pathetic saga in a recent long history of bad Bulls business. It is what it is....its Da Bulls, 100%😏
Rich Paul also thinks goats have antlers so….yeahhhh
I hate Clutch Sports so much
As soon as Lebron James goes away so will they
Deserves better?
Ok…. Well then ask the bulls to void his contract and he can go where ever he wants
If the organizations LaVine has played for have failed to bring in other quality players, or didn’t put him in the correct role, or groomed him as a #1 when he doesn’t belong there, or offered him a contract teams now find undesirable, why are these sins primarily laid at LaVine’s feet and not the Chicago Bulls?
Like most players in a losing situation, the majority of LaVine’s lack of success is due to factors outside of his control. He’s developed into an elite scorer, good playmaker, passable defender, and great off-court person by all accounts. There’s no natural skill set he’s failed to unlock or laziness he’s had to shed: he’s reached his individual potential in almost every way. Everyone should know at this point what an ideal role for LaVine would look like. What is unique about LaVine’s situation is simply how long he has been enduring it, and perhaps that’s why it has given so many executives across the league pause.
There’s also another factor to consider, which is Zach LaVine’s view of himself. Of course, most NBA players have high opinions of themselves, and Zach’s view has been reinforced by consistently being handed the keys to the various iterations of the Bulls during his tenure. It’s also caused some on-court friction with DeMar DeRozan and Nikola Vucevic, which you’d expect on a team with three complementary players who all believe they deserve more touches and aren’t winning. For this reason, it’s unsurprising that NBA executives fear that Zach’s perception of himself could impact his ability to accept an almost certainly lesser role on their own team. He’s been fed this worldview for a decade.
There’s two salient examples that can give executives some relief on that front, though. First, I’d point again to the 2021-22 season, where Zach was in a less prominent role and the Bulls had significant success. Zach was part of every one of the Bulls’ best 3 lineups that season, which had net ratings of +20.6, 29.1, and 31.5 during that stretch over hundreds of minutes of data. The second example is when Zach LaVine played for the Olympic team with Team USA. In a role that didn’t require him to be a primary scorer or playmaker, LaVine showcased role acceptance and a defensive performance that drew the praise of coaches Gregg Popovich and Steve Kerr.
Zach LaVine can absolutely be an impactful, winning player in the right situation, but a decade of being placed in the wrong role has unfairly taken its toll on his reputation and caused executives to question whether he’d accept the right one.
Whether fair or unfair, perception is king in the NBA. The wages of that perception have impacted Zach LaVine’s reputation and career, and created a difficult situation for him, the Chicago Bulls, and any team considering trading for him. Delving into the reasons behind the perceptions allows us a better understanding of who Zach LaVine is as a player and why he’s reached such a difficult crossroads. In the right context, LaVine can be far more than the perceptions that restrict him, but whether he’ll ever get that chance is more unclear than ever.
full article on theswishtheory title : Zach Lavine : The wages of perception
Give it a read its super insightful. Props to the writer Kris
ZLV is horrible, always has been & always will be
Blame Canada
WHO DA FUC& IS RICH PAUL.....and y should we care what he got to say
If you have to ask that you aren't paying very close attention to the NBA
He’s Lebron’s best friend/agent but he’s letting it go to his head lately with the whole Bronny situation and other comments he’s made.
@@LockedOnBulls u right
I damn near get all my NBA news from Haize and Pat frfr
What do the Bulls do with Giddey & Coby? Haize asked. You start Coby. You start Zach. You bench Josh Giddey's weak ass until he proves he can make a jump shot!
Why would you not have Zach Coby, Giddey, Patrick, and Vuc? This gives you 3 actual 3 point shooters.
Chicago is just terrible! Complain that management is cheap, then complain about their players if they get paid a good contract. Zach Lavines contract is not bad if you look at all other signings over 40. His defense can be better but you can say the same about Kevin Huerter whom everyone seem to be on the band wagon for.
What team did Zach have in his first few years that Zach could have won with till Demar and Zo got there ? Zach got framed not impacting winning when the franchise surrounded him with not ideal or mishandled talent . It’s their fault they forced Zach into a number 1 option ; Zach very capable of being a strong 3rd option on a championship team and possible 2nd with the right franchise player like a joker .
Nobody said that Zack should have been leading this team to contender status in the first few years as a Bull. But he certainly wanted to be paid like “the man”, but from day 1 when Derozan got here, he was the man getting MVP chants from the fans. There’s higher expectations when you get a max contract, and he hasn’t looked like the same player ever since he got the big bag. I blame the FO for giving Zach that contract and now everyone involved is stuck with this situation
@@jtwilliams8895 Zach’s production warranted his pay idk why yall can’t understand that , that’s the trend when the salary increase especially with player performance . Franz just got 224 for his and potential and he’s gonna get 270 if he just makes 1 all star appearance . Zach was a two
Time all star and Olympic gold medalist when he signed that deal. Also it was said that Zach wasn’t a winning player and didn’t impact winning that’s why I wrote what I wrote , him being drafted and traded to bad teams early in his career is being used against him . And Zach not complaining about Demar getting a lot of praise means nothing to me , they both didn’t coexist really without Zo being there to run the ship. Demar can’t play off ball and lead to a lot of iso ball and Zach having to just watch him with very limited team ball movement. That play is also on Billy for not calling actual plays and this front office for not trying to replace Lonzo floor general till Pat Bev. also that’s a lie about he didn’t look the same player because he had knee surgery before the 2022/2023 season and had to play into shape and after a month or 2 he was looking like the old Zach scoring and efficiency and won us that Raptors Play in game . It wasn’t till this past season when he didn’t look like his Zach self
I think statistically he's the losingest all star of the 2000s so far. He just plays losing ball, zero clutch, low IQ. he's a bimbo, ship him for a 2nd round pick.
Cowley >>> these ppl
🤣🤣🤣 can’t account for idiots
Rich paul is a 🤡
Rich Paul is the worst agent. His players go downhill in their prime.
He’s a Lebron lackey, his only purpose is to bring Lebron teammates. All the klutch clients end up playing with Lebron at some point.
The Chicago Bulls chose a coach over the player in Zach, Zach has never been with a franchise in the NBA that Prioritize him as number #1 we have not built around zach and that is fair that Zach is upset
Wut…?
Learn how to write in English before commenting.
Zach Lavine is a career loser.. all he does is lose. Doesn’t matter where he plays. I’m not even a bulls fan I’m coming from a completely unbiased perspective. My team is in a similar situation with Tyler Herro both are untradeable players/contracts.
That small ball game is dead reinsdorf philosophy is small for constantly rebuild no teams with playoffs wins inspiration going small bulls talk going small is rebuild talks