Cokin B&W Filters on Digital & Film - Kodak Tmax 400
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This video is basic window light photography shooting expired 2017 Kodak Tmax 400 film using the Mamiya RZ67.
At the same time I was comparing the Cokin Black and White Filters and out of interet also
made the same tests on a DSLR.
EQUIPMENT USED
CAMERA - Mamiya RZ67 /Canon 6D
FILM - Kodak Tmax400 exp 2017
DEVELOPER - Rodinal 1:25
STOP & FIX - Fotospeed
ENLARGER - DURST M605
PAPER - Ilford MG Resin Deluxe
DEVELOPER - Ilford MG
STOP & FIX - FOTOSPEED
PRODUCTION GEAR
CANON 6D, GOPRO 7 BLACK, TASCAM DR10L MIC, SENHEISSER SHOTGUN MIC,
NEEWER LED PANELS, GVM COLOUR PANELS,
Editing - FCP, PHOTOSHOP, LIGHTROOM
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If i remember correctly Kodak had some backing paper problems a few years ago. Maybe somebody can confirm that ..
www.google.com/search?biw=1920&bih=956&ei=kwoCYLafHYybsAf9obTwBA&q=kodak+120+backing+paper+problem&oq=kodak+backingpaper+&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgDMgYIABANEB4yCAgAEAgQDRAeMggIABAIEA0QHjIICAAQCBANEB46BwgAEEcQsANQqdoBWKnaAWCT-AFoAXACeACAAVeIAVeSAQExmAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesgBBsABAQ&sclient=psy-ab
www.photrio.com/forum/threads/kodak-120-film-backing-paper-problems-emulsions-affected.137251/
Yes they did
@@Resgerr ilford as well.... it seems to come now and then....
This has regularly happened to me with TMax 400, especially if it was slightly expired, or stored undeveloped after exposure for longer than a few weeks. I've seen it on non-Kodak films as well, but maybe TMax 400 seems to be more susceptible to this than other brands?
The film may have gone through an x-ray scan in shipping, That is one way the lettering from the backing paper would appear
Pretty cool :).
From my experiments I realized that the filters on Digital camera don't make much sense, unless is Polarized or ND filter. That's because you can already use built in filters from Photoshop or Lightroom... or whatever software you are using; with same results.
Hello Roger, the numbers and the Kodak name is for when someone post on the web everyone knows it's shoot on film 😅😂. Jokes aside, was a problem that kodak had a while back with the backing paper. Cheers mate 👍
A known problem then?
@@IainHC1 The story was that a truck full of Kodak film was left in the hot sun for a while and the film inside got a bit cooked.
Cheers Peds. Thats mad! Imagine how many portraits had Kodak stamped on their heads
@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss imagine if was a wedding, and trying to explain to the bride "it's a a creative movement, a artistic style". Would be hard to do 😅.
Had the same thing.. They changed the paper in sort of plastic like backing paper.. artistic it is.. :)
The imprints of the Kodak-Logo from the paper is a known problem that showed up at the time. Has happened with other brands before. Other than that a 400 ISO b+w film of that age should work as fresh from the factory, maybe a little more base-fog. But I would be interested to know, why you are using the 645-back when you have a camera with a rotating back. Saving a few shots?
Fred has relatives. I think your scale is reversed or I had too much brandy. I'm shocked the green is not making the greens white that are in the brightest light.
That's what I thought John! Green seems to darken stuff. Wierd
I’ve had this issue with T-max 400 before, and the shop replaced the films no questions asked. Apparently, Kodak replaced all films with this issue. On the plus side, you at least know what film you used. 😊
I saw a comparison where green filters worked great for shooting a forest.
Edit: Steve O'Nions was the channel I saw that.
A few years ago Kodak had an issue with their backing paper and were slow to address it
Massive thread about it here www.photrio.com/forum/threads/kodak-120-film-backing-paper-problems-emulsions-affected.137251/
I like yellow filters. I have one on my leica iiiF all the time (Elmar 50/3.5).
X-ray is my guess
Very Cool Use Of Filters and Results Roger. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
I was just shooting an expired Kodak film too and yes, every photo has the “Kodak” and the numbers
It's a shame. But can look artistic if you look at it that way. Ha ha. What else can you do
Hi really inormative vid mate. Wanting to get some B&W filters for my Mamiya 645. Will Cokin P filters work or do I need the Cokin A sized kit. Cheers
If you go on the Cokin website they have a page about the sizes. I think mine is the P series.
Nice ! Sorry you might have mentioned it, but was filters are you using ? I just got a cheap set of filters, and it looks like we have the same filter holder. But I doubt the filters themselves are the same. Thank you and keep the great work !
Cokin Filters ! Got it
A green filter can help make skin look good on portraits. Obviously, like everything its not a panacea. Typically it can mute red tones but can also make people look cadaverous and pale. I think it was traditionally used in portraits of older men.
I'll have to try portraits with it. A few people mhabe said that. Cheers
An expired film from 2017, should for all intents and purposes behave like a fresh film, perhaps 1/3 extra exposure or a little care in agitation required. Those marks are a puzzle though. I am using films from my last big purchase in 2009/2010 right now ( sadly all coming to an end ) and they mostly require about an extra stop of exposure. Green filter or rather a Yellow/Green filter is useful to mimic the response of the eye when using panchromatic film. This is the same reason that the original colour digital sensors developed by Kodak had two Green sites, in the Bayer Matrix Array RGGB, 50% G, 25%R, 25%B. Human eye sees green and yellow as bright colours in nature.
have you done a video on your darkroom setup and gear? thanks for the video.
Somewhere in my list. Probably 50 or so videos down.
Remember the film is rolled-up so it's contact with the roll and not coming through the paper. Yes, very strange!
If the film it's expired, the marks could be some kind of "Chemical veil" this is the literal translation from my lenguaje "velo químico" is the name of it in Spanish. This happens because the paper with ink reduces the oxidation of the film.
I've got a bulk roll of fp4+ in 35mm and when yoy develop it you could see shadows of other sprocket between sprockets...
Great video!
Regarding the backing paper numbers & letters imprinting on the film, I haven't used Kodak film since the early 90s, but I have had the exact same experience with some Ilford & Rollei films (Pan F, FP4+, HP5+, Retro 80S). it was only ever with films that had been kept at room temperature (I generally keep my film in a 'fridge, though) and that were slightly expired (1-2 years). I suspect the cause is the result of either poor long-term storage conditions, an adverse long-term chemical reaction between the film base and the backing paper, or both.
A couple years ago, I got 10 rolls of Pan F that turned out to be defective. Ilford's quality control has always been first-rate, but everyone has a bad day once in a while. With the backing paper issue occurring occasionally with Ilford, Rollei, and Kodak (perhaps Foma & Bergger too, for all I know) it seems more likely to be caused by something that is happening to that specific roll of film (time, temp, whatever) than a widespread quality control issue...
Anyway, that's all just speculation and I haven't brought us any closer to a definitive answer.
Cheers!
Have a read through the comments Mike. Some say there was a bad batch of this film...
Kodak, Rollei, Ilford, etc, all having intermittent quality control issues? that's not hard to believe. in fact, I'd be surprised if it wasn't so. as i said, everyone has a bad day once in a while. when you're cranking out millions of rolls of film, there will inevitably be a few bad batches.
is it also possible, as others have said too, that letting film expire under poor storage conditions may have an adverse effect on the film? certainly. in fact, i suspect that's likely. it's not for nothing that film manufacturers recommend storing film in cool dry conditions and they don't print expiry dates on film for no reason.
in the end, whatever the cause, i suppose it doesn't really matter. flaws, defects, and occasional unanticipated results are part of the film-shooting experience; part of the fun, as it were.
i really enjoy your videos Roger! keep 'em coming!
cheers!
I’ve had that with Ilford it’s from badly stored film in my case from the 80s under my bed!🤣
Hi Roger.
Have You ever tried using "localized" test strips instead of progresive ones? What I mean by that is instead of making a test strip across the frame with each exposure covering different part of the image, You expose the same part of the image with different exposure times on the same test strip. I switched to this method, because it allows me to get the proper exposure of the chosen highlight or shadow area of the image and then correct the contrast filter accordingly. Sorry for a blurry explanation, but I think You get what I mean.
Cheers! :)
I do. I cut small squares and try different times and filters on a certain area usually a highlight I'm trying to find times for. Is that what you mean?
Partially. What I ment was making the initial test strip on the same area of the picture. Instead of placing the paper across the frame and covering it step by step I put a mask over the image with a small frame for the area I'm interested in and place the paper underneath. Then I make say 2,4,6,8 sec exposures moving the paper after each one, so I end up with 4 exposures with different times of the same part of the image on the same piece of paper. Damn, that's a complicated way to explain an easy thing. :D
With digital, if you shoot raw, you can filter out certain colours in lightroom without using filters.
Nice print! Good result from a very basic setup.
I tend to use the green filter when shooting portraits, it is good for people who have blemishes on their skin as it helps smooth them out.
Completely agree with the green filter, I struggle with it myself.
It's not just me then!
@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss no not at all, it seems to work in reverse of what I’m expecting most of the time but others it just doesn’t seem to have any effect at all, I’ve tried stopping it down to differing values but just can’t get on with it.
Odd socks! Nice touch, although from a nautical perspective thet are the wrong way round!!
Whilst not a comparison of film and digital, an interesting addition to the test would have been to include the use of the in-camera filter, set in the B&W picture profile, to see how the in-camera yellow filter compares to physical yellow filter, and then with the film for example.
I didn't know it had that in the camera! I'll have to check that out
Odd socks is all the rage in fashion these days. Lol
@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss In the Monochrome picture profile detail, it is the third line down if memoy serves. Options are: none, yellow , orange, red and green.
Hi Roger! Another interesting video to light up a Friday night, thanks a lot! I happened to have exactly the same problem with backing paper imprint on the negative with Kodak TMAX 400 film a couple of years ago, I did some research and found that this is a known problem with certain batches of TMAX, you can google it to find which batches. By the way, the film on which I see the problem was dated 08/2017. Enjoy!
Cheers for that Billy. Interesting
My favourite game is guessing the test strip time before you say. Great content and I like the sidebar info on developing and camera settings.
I could turn that into a game on the Chanel!
Hey Roger, thanks for the video, nice and interesting as always! Why don't try to use some reflector made of foil to get more even lighting and softer shadows? At least as an option :)
I have a few large reflectors. The paper worked nice. Foil would have killed the soft look of window light.
Just a comment on your video production and presentation - wow what an improvement over the years. Do you have support in video production / editing as it must take longer than development film and printing? :) Stuart
Just me! Takes time. Glad you noticed. Thanks!
Sir , I hope your well ......I have scored a Pentax SP1000 with a SMC TAKUMAR 55mm F2 lens with ..........testing it next week ..........should be fun.
Going for KENTMERE 400 and PANF 50 for my first try ........ I am not as good as you are I will be shooting and developing at our local shop .......and scanning on my V550 EPSON
AWESOME VIDEO and how your format in showing us the film and pics .......THIS IS WHY YOUR THE COOLEST .....
Great camera Darko. No one is as good as anyone. We just do things a different way. Have fun!
I had these problem with numbers on ektar many years ago. just improper storage. When film is overheating, black paint can react with emultion. U can see that numbers contact directly emultion ina roll. that's why they are black on a negative. I don't remember exactly, but Kodak say's that they fix the paint.