I personally don’t think you can go wrong with either one. I use the Echo and it has never let me down. One major positive for the Echos are they have a 5 year warranty compared to Stihl’s 2 year warranty.
I had a model older than this one that I love. My sister has difficulty with tools that are too heavy and she actually loved mine and found it easy to use ua-cam.com/users/postUgkx_rBCFuDW1zD6blTGhLkvAkxU657uR_lG . This is a newer model but was even lighter which she really appreciates. She enjoys it and I no longer have to go to her house to trim as she can handle it fine. Haven't used it enough to comment on the battery life but lithium batteries last longer than the old style. Being cordless makes it easy to trim the far edges of the property. The entire yard can be trimmed with one charged battery.
9 years, 11 miles of road, 7 parks, 5 wells, 1x 3500 plot cemetery.. 4 echo trimmers, replaced all 4, once... most likely from 3 things, abused running wide open, fuel too lean (burnt cylinder) or ran over by a truck... if I recall correctly.
I own that Echo trimmer and have found it to be the best one I have ever had. It is a beast and goes through anything and doesn't complain. First trimmer that I have kept the factory line feed system on. The Echo string is the best, sometimes I will trim for almost an hour and never feed new line out. Since I got this trimmer I have been converting other thing to Echo and have not been disappointed.
I got a 2320T last year. Cleaned out a ditch with Black Diamond 95 line and it was amazing. My neighbor’s kid runs a 2620T for his lawn care business. He’s the one who turned me on to Echo stuff.
This video is about 5 years old now and the comments started out with everyone voting for Stihl. I discovered a shift in votes for ECHO about 2-3 years ago. The word is getting out on how well they compete.
Wow, was I impressed. I recently bought the Echo 2620T. Couldn't wait to start it up and give it a try, I fueled it and followed the instructions. The beast fired up on the 4th pull for its maiden run. Keeping the speed down, I edged our lawn, and trimmed the few areas my mower can't get into. I called it a Beast, because it is one. I had first ordered the 2320T, and was disappointed that it wouldn't cut our St. Augustine grass runners. Sending it back, I then ordered the 2620T, and what a difference. I also installed a timer on my new beast, and to date, I have run it now for 10.7 minutes. I'm not going to use full power till I reach 25 minutes, but then I haven't had to either. This beast is beautiful, and worth every penny. I highly recommend the Echo brand, because if all their gas engines run as well as my new 2620T trimmer, I will no longer use my old FS55R Stihl. It was good, but then I didn't have anything else to compare it with. Now that I do, I won't be going back to Stihl. I'm also running Ethanol Shield now mixed in my 5 gallon gas container. Life is beautiful in my two yards.
I have owned both brands. Stihl was the premium back in the day. With attachments: multiple different blades, harnesses, handles, face shield and muffs cost us a small fortune. Loved it though. Echo is my go to now. Currently have had a straight shaft for over 8 years doing basic tune ups, and just today having to replace the Recoil starter assembly. I run it into the ground and like a timex takes a licking and keeps on ticking. Just purchased another one on sale at Home depot to dedicate it with a blade kit. Thanks for the time you took. Good comparison.
I have a 30 year old echo trimmer, it still runs like new and it’s a good thing since parts are no longer available. Also still using an echo power pruner that is about 25 years old.
Good to hear! My echo trimmer is 40+ years old and works great also. Five years ago my clutch went bad and was able to get a new clutch and throttle trigger. I can get both today if I am willing to wait. Echo online's (out of Florida) prices are great. Do you have the original head on your power pruner. I bought mine when there was no auto oiler. Went thru 2 heads and added two more power pruners. Did you get the 4 ft. extension for it? Hope yours run for many more years.
@@Zach-sg5uu I don't understand. I was stating my opinion in the negative: I think today's quality is not nearly as good as many years ago. Ergo agreeing with your statement.
thats a good comparison. I'd be happy with either although I'd lean toward the echo because it has a greater fuel capcity so you don't have to refuel so often. Thanx for your effort - it's probably the best - non-bias video I've seen
I've owned a small lawn care business for 15 years and still have 2 Echo machines running from the beginning. All I have done to my equipment is use non-ethanol fuel (91 octane), Echo brand 2-stroke oil, added Stabil to the fuel. Prior to storing for winter ran the engine till warm, drained fuel from tank, started till engine dies. Never any issues. Solid equipment.
The comparison was pretty close to even except you took the echo right done the middle of the thick grass while you did not do the same with the stihl. You also went over the Echo side twice while only going over the stihl side once. If I had to choose I would choose the Echo. I bought an Echo trimmer from Home Depot two years ago and haven't had a single problem or issue with it. It trimmers about 55 yards a week including edging. Echo all the way all day!
I'd like to comment on LLS comment. I say your exaggerating here ole buddy, I've had a lawn service in SE Texas for 30 years, we now year round, normally do around 100 a week so I can surely see your 55, but doing 50+ a week ain't happening w no home depot echo, man those things wont hold up at all. I have Mexicans running my equipment, they are really hard on stuff, a Stihl is the only thing that will hang with them, they can't tear em up. I have tried echo several times over the years, even just buying one and keeping it for personal use, they just won't hold up period. When they run they do good, but that's a big IF, that new 4-mix Stihl makes is damm near indestructible, next time you buy get you that 131, you can thank me later
All my garden tools are Stihl. I did try Husqvarna, which is a rather known brand but did not make it. For me Stihl, german brand is known for quality and reliability. Stihl has wont me over for quality and relialibity.
just a quick fyi, echo and shindaiwa are owned by the same parent company now. the 2620 and shindaiwa t262 are virtually the same machine save for a different grip material, throttle trigger and presence switch and guard.
I just invested into a SRM-225 (Homeowner grade) and I'm just getting used to the ECHO trimmer, I tuned the fuel screws because it sounded a little rough out of the box. In heavy weeds, it seems to have plenty of power and does not give me problems like the MTD stuff. The ECHO also seems to run a long time on a tank of fuel.
I have both the echo and the Stihl. The Stihl died after one year and the Echo is still going after 10 years. I use the same cord as you and it is the best trimmer cord I have ever used. Thanks.
As a former professional user (did a lot of landscaping and gardens maitenance while at university) shindaiwa (same as echo machines) was my choice when i bought my brushcutter for "domestic" use. My T260 (26cc) stood my abuse fighting weekly mediterranean maquis, cistus, heater, bramble bushes and so on, weed is the lightest thing it cut, for 20 years. So, if it never fails on me, it will be replaced by shindaiwa or echo.
I've read most of the comments and I think it's safe to say both are good machines and people have their loyalties to both. Dealer support is huge though, without it, it doesn't matter what you have if you need service. My dealer is fairly large and sells Stihl, Echo, Shindaiwa and Redmax but their commercial turn around time during peak season can be as long as 5 weeks. I'm fixing to pull the trigger and switch to echo. so i have to cast my vote for echo in this case.
Great video! I would take the stihl over the echo, but I'm a bit biased. I used to work for a stihl distributor so maybe that's why. I also like the way the stihl engineers seem to think ahead and incorporate a better service experience when designing their products. However having said that, the echo srm-2620t is one hell of a nice machine.
I like Stihl that said I graveyards and I used both Stihl and echo.Echo gets it done .but Stihl just goes through it a whole different way in my opinion.
I'm fixing to buy one of these. I don't think it matters which. Both seem to be complete overkill for my application. The Echo did sound more fantastic-er tho. And yes they both sounded incredible idling together. Killer drone shots as well.
I love my Shindaiwa T262 which is the same as the Echo 2620 with a little different control placement. I think the ergonomics on the Shindaiwa are better but the engine and rest of the parts are the same. Though the T262 has a steel rod in the shaft but the 2620 has a wire rope, the 2620T has a head which has a little different gearing (slows the line speed but give more torque.) The cutting swath is different I believe, 20in for the T262 and 17in for the 2620. I was a little concerned with the smallish engine but my dealer said it would do great for my usage. I have 700 yards of irrigation ditch and so I am going through thick grass, clover and weeds which can be from a foot to 3 feet tall. I also have several hundred yards of grass along fence lines that I am doing. My usage model is to fill up the trimmer, let it warm up, then start cutting. when the tank is almost empty fill it up and go wide open again. Lots of times I never let up on the throttle because I am going non stop. I will run 3 to 4 tanks like that back to back. I can't comment too much on the part throttle operation but it seems to do good, that is .01% of my usage. In case anyone is curious I use Maxima K2 synthetic oil in my 2 stroke machines. I love how easy to maneuver this trimmer is (lots of odd angles around ditch banks), I think it is well balanced and it doesn't tire me out like other trimmers. I can tear through the thick stuff and it has a lot of power and I am surprised at how thick and fast of material I have to go through to start to load down the engine. I didn't say bog because it never really bogs, it just slows down a little but again I am going through A LOT thicker of material than the average home owner. Also make sure you run about 5 tanks through the Echo before really getting into the power comparison, it breaks in and works even better after the first few and the power really picks up. I will also never own a trimmer that doesn't have the speed feed head. To put new string in the head just align the arrows, feed the line through and then spin the head to wind it inside. You can replace string in about a minute without ever taking the head off or apart. I would take the Shindaiwa/Echo trimmer hands down over the Sthil and I would take the Shindaiwa over the Echo.
Very interesting comments, thanks for posting! I'm very happy with the speed feed head too. I haven't tried Shindaiwa products, but know they are built under the same roof as Echo. Have you tried the Red Armor Oil? Echo highly recommends using it and says that it will improve the rms's and clean the cylinder over a 90 day period. I have the Echo PAS 280 and I'm thinking about buying the trimmer attachment and see how it compares to my 2620T.
I have not tried the Red Armor Oil. I got on the Maxima K2 years ago because that is what the lot of the high RPM kart racers and chain saw racers use. I have never had it gum or carbon up, it burns very clean. I have been using it in my chainsaw for over 10 years and never had a carbon or gum issue and I can't tell you how many log trucks of wood it has cut up. It is a synthetic oil that has a lot of the same properties as the Red Armor. I don't think you can go wrong with either oil, I just get the K2 in big jugs and run it in all of my 2 strokes. When I got my T262 the dealer had both Echo and Shindaiwa so I got to feel them side by side. It also might make a difference my previous trimmer was a Shindaiwa. The dealer did say though that if a guy came in getting trimmers for his crew he would get the Echo's, if he was also going to be doing trimming the owners would get the Shindaiwa because they liked the feel better. The 280 vs 2620T will be interesting, from what I could see the 2620 is supposed to be the longest lasting trimmer Echo has. If that is marketing speech or some truth I don't know.
Good comparison video. I own a landscaping business and I swear by Echo trimmers. I have 6 Echo Trimmers. The Stihl trimmers these days don't hold up, and from my experience if you use a weedeater like we do, we get about nearly a season out of the commercial grade Stihls. I think I have 2 of the same Echo trimmers you have, but they may be slightly different models, they are 7 years old and we run them hard every day with no problems except the usual wear and tear. An occasional air filter or maybe the bump head wears out, or a pin hole in the fuel line, or a throttle cable breaks. Normal wear and tear on a machine. The Stihl machines that were the best were the FS 80R's because they didn't have the over head valve motors. The new Stihl's with the over head valve motors like the FS90, in my experience, have too many problems with the valves coming out of alignment. I've got 4 of them with 3/4 of a season on them sitting out there in the junk pile. Also with the Echo machines, they told me that they are all rated at commercial grade machines. Stihl does make good backpack blowers, or they used to, and good regular type chainsaws. But in all honesty, with trimmers or weedeaters, I go with Echo. You'll be working while the other companies are sitting around waiting to get their Stihl weedeaters or trimmers out of the shop.
I love the echo used Redmax,stihl,husqvarna and shindaiwa. My two favorite is shindaiwa and echo which are basically the same. I can do 9 good size yards on one tank and refill my line in seconds without beating the head to death trying to get it to feed. That speed head is definitely a game changer. Good video man stay safe.
That is so awesome!😀 Tell him I said hi and thanks for watching. I'm happy to send some stickers and a magnet to him. If he would like that, feel free to email me an address to send them. I'm at markthomasbuilder@gmail.com
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I have been a landscaper for the last past 25 years I've used nothing but Echo echo is a great company every time I needed my power equipment and always there they always started that's why I go with Echo
What cc do you recommend for tall and thick grass like this guy has? I ask because I have two 21cc and they seem ok but not that powerful. My thought is to go with a 30cc or higher but people seem to like the 2620T's. Thanks.
@@fastrivers812 I walked in the home Depot about 20 years ago and I bought the most expensive as one that had the bigger motor and that cost me I think $339.00 see I like the metal face you're able to change the thick string on it and it will go through any grass
You totally missed the main difference. The line feed for the Echo is the best in the industry. One would have thought that the one item most used would have been in the review.
Stihl has quick feed head and I have a pile of attachments to do more than ono echo. Have more toque and better fuel economy that's why echo has a bigger tank.
I run the Echomatic head on a SRM 225. It's STUPID how simple and easy to use that head is. It's all of 2 pieces: the outer shell on your weed-eater, and an inner spool with attached spring. Twist and rotate to remove, twist and rotate to replace. Holds plenty of .095" or even .105" inch line. I'll never buy a different head ever again!!
I've had my Echo GT-225 curved shaft trimmer since 2012 & have had zero major issues w/ it. I service it yearly(clean/re-gap spark plug, regrease drive shaft, clean muffler/spark arrestor & clean the throttle assembly/carborator) & I have say that this tool can take a beating & still perform tip top. As someone said in another comment, Echo products are very easy to work on & replacement parts are easy to find for reasonable cost. I have other Echo gas powered tools & I can say the same for those aswell. If you give your Echo a little bit of tlc every 6 - 12 months it'll return it spades by making your outdoor work go fast, smooth & with out a hitch. I highly recommend Echo gas powered products.
@@MarkThomasBuilder It's very convenient that Home Depot is basically Echo's one stop shop. Most of the common replacement parts are usually available but any Echo owner can easily find what they need online with little trouble. Echo tools are as much fun to tinker with as they are to run. Good luck with your yearly maintenance & keep that beast running(Echo's don't purr, they growl). Great video btw. I really liked the drone overhead view. 👍👍👍
I worked for a lawn care company for about a year, and they only had echo trimmers. They were some of the worst commercial trimmers I ever used. The motors were very temperamental. and there were no guards over the spark plug wires so after they would crack over time from being dropped you would always get zapped like a tazer. The best trimmers I ever used were the stihl fs44s, because they have an excellent power to weight ratio, they are easy to start, and easy to work on. In my opinion, the best trimmer on the market currently is the stihl fs94r. I have had one for about four months and I am very impressed with the trimmer. It is a 2 stroke motor, which makes it much lighter than the stihl 4 mix trimmers. It is also very reliable, I have been using it every day and it has not disappointed me. I know that there are people who will disagree with me, but it’s just my opinion and what I have found to work best for me.
Thanks for sharing. I've never owned an older ECHO trimmer with the shock issue, but I am aware of it. Their newer trimmers like the 2620 works well and don't have that issue. I haven't tried the fs94r, but I'm sure I'd like it, since it's probably close to the fs90r.
I'll say this I used the same Stihl on a golf course for ten years and now use it to do several yards. I am not easy on it whatsoever, I use it to line up honeysuckle and just about everything else, never had an issue with it, never worked on it, only gone through one head, but like I said. I am not easy on it. but after 10+ years of service... like a sore Peter, can't beat it!
I bought my wife a echo trimmer with easy start it's the best trimmer I've ever had won't buy anything else but echo they are so much better than sthil there's no comparison trust me I own a small engine shop I work on them for a living I know what I'm talking about
I have an old Echo trimmer (1982 vintage) which was sold under the John Deere label. I still use it today. It still starts every spring and does everything I need it to. I am looking for a new head for a hedge trimmer and saw for trimming trees/shrubs. Based on the performance of my ancient Echo and this video and comments, I am confident to stick to the reliable Echo. I have heard a lot of good things from service shops about Echo's. They seldom come in for repair.
I'm happy with all my ECHO outdoor power equipment. I use ECHO Red Armor and they all run great for me. Thanks for sharing the story of your vintage trimmer. I'm glad to hear it's still running good.
I've had the same experiences with Echo. Owned lots of them and abused the weedwackers and never had any issues other than old age fuel lines and the occasional tune up. I inherited my grandfathers Stihl FS90R and SH85 blower. I like the FS90R but I find myself always working on it to keep it running right. Nice machine, super powerful and smooth, but not the most reliable. I flat out dislike the SH85 other than using it to blow out the garage and suck stuff out of flower beds. Hard starting, wrist twisting, heavy bogging piece it is. I owned an SRM230 for 9 years and sold it after I got the FS90R (I regret that decision now) and I spent more time cutting down overgrown lawns with that thing than anything else. I also ran a blade on it a lot cutting fist sized branches and stuff I should have used a chainsaw for. I had that thing so hot so many times it faded the plastic cylinder shroud/cover and I burnt the skin off my arms multiple times. It always ran excellent and never had one issue out of it. The FS90R on the other hand has had way less use than that SRM230 and still gives running problems from time to time. I think when the FS90R bites the dust I'll replace it with a SRM2620 from what I've seen here.
Echo all the way.i have both.. But my fav is Echo.. Less weight.. I just feel a faster reaction from Echo.. Echo last for ever too if you take good care of them.
I bought the 91r and the throttle response was abysmal. I returned it for Stihl's only 2 stroke trimmer the fs94r. It's worked flawlessly for 2 seasons. The best power to weight ratio in any trimmer I've used beside my old Kawasaki. Echos are awesome, but heavy beasts.
I remember our first little string trimmer as a kid. I think it was 1978 and it was a Weedeater brand. Little electric. back then the string on them were SO TINY. I own the Echo P225. Beastly little machine. Would not own anything but Echo.
Haha, I think we had the same trimmer. I also remember a weed cutter that was like a mini hedge trimmer on a stick. It was about 4" wide for cutting the weeds. It was slow going for trimming weeds. Anyways... Thanks for voting!
Both trimmers are really good i don't own the echo 2620 we use the echo srm266 and the stihl fs90r both are very dependable in my company the echos are less maint then the stihl fs90 we have to adjust the valves on them every year its very easy to do but echos and stihl is all we use here in south fla.
markthomasbuilder i use nothing but echo oil not red armor and sometimes husqavarna oil exp we use the heck out of my trimmers 6 days a week all year around.
I use them all. Stihl, Echo and Husqvarna. My Echo 2620T with Weedshark head is my go to for heavy brush out on the property around ponds, etc. For grass and normal; everyday trimming its dealers choice. They are all great machines.
Reliability on anything Echo is unbelievable. I have been using the smaller engine Echo trimmer multiple times a week for 8 years now and have done nothing to it except grease the gearbox every now and then. Oh and the Echo speed feed head is the best out there.
Does Echo offer a 4 cycle as well as the 2? If so which would you recommend? Just home owner residential, 1/2 acre lot here. I've stopped using Round Up type products...I think it made my dog sick a few years ago. The fence-line is starting to look rather gnarly. Any advice appreciated.
I really like the Echo SRM-2620, especially with the Speed Feed head, so I think that would work well for you. They only offer a 2 cycle. I'm making a video comparing the brush blades pretty soon. That might be something to consider in thick weeds.
GD, I don't know. Our farm Stihl was purchased over 20 years ago and is still running strong. I've put 5-6 plugs, a coil, and a carb in it. It's a heavy beast compared to the echo 266 I bought as a backup, but it just keeps on chugging. Metal blade on the Stihl and string on the Echo
I've never used an Echo but I've heard great things and they look really nice. There's a dealer down the road from me. Stihl I'm not aware of one except maybe a John Deere dealer nearby I think sells them. My friend I used to shoot trap with and I cut his grass swears by Stihl and John Deere. I've used his Stihl FS90R to cut weeds along his fences and it's a joy to use, maybe after extended use you get the hand vibration and shaking and aches from holding it up all day and walking the fences all day, but they work great, plenty of power and they're not too heavy and they're great on gas as long as you use proper throttle control and don't let your grass get too high. If it's high you have to start high and work down which uses more gas and throttle and it can bog down in thick stuff if you're not careful. I love it but just don't need one, and can't afford one. I have a John Deere XT120 trimmer that's great along with a John Deere 12pb 2 stroke silver deck mower that I love, I just wish it was self propelled because I have to work on a hillside but at least it's light and the hill isn't big and that steep. I almost bought an older Echo or a newer one too as they come up used a lot but go fast. But I wanted straight shaft and a John Deere and I got that instead. Too bad it's not old enough to be an Echo made John Deere trimmer. It's an early run Homelite made John Deere trimmer. But at least the quality is still there, parts are still around too for the most part yet a bit expensive. I had to replace the gas cap, which cost me almost $50.
I have been using the FS90R for about 3 years now,never had an issue with it,served me well.Most of my equipment is Stihl,must be the German in me.Great video,keep it up.
I love a stihl "4 mix" basically a 4 stroke without a sump.... I have both brands and you dont have to run the fs series wide open because of the massive torque it produces. I have the fs91r and echo and they are both great depending on what your wanting. I prefer the stihl as I can cruise around with massive torque and not wear myself out. After 3 years the stihl starts first pull 9 times out of 10. The main thing in any trimmer is to run a good oil and NON ETHANOL GAS. To do a true comparison overtime you must run no ethanol to keep the carbs clean. Everyone has their brand though right. Good video man!
Thanks, I appreciate hearing that! I agree with your views. I actually run both trimmers as few time a week. The Stihl started first pull for me today, just like you said they would. I do like the ECHO trimmer too. It's great for the taller stuff, in my opinion.
I run ethanol 93 octane gas in my echo backpack blower and srm225 string trimmer , but I add Stabil 360 marine , marvel mystery oil and echo red armor , I've had zero issues for 3 seasons and they all start right up within 5 or so pulls once primed.
I have one of each. The echo has more torque and stihl more RPMs. Both work well but love the Echo head. Other than that its that Echo parts are available on line at lower prices compared to Stihl at authorized dealers and more expensive. Have also owned e several of each since 70's and they last equally as long. Both good just which models are on sale when I buy.
I have a new Echo Speed Feed head, still in the package. I plan to test it out on my Husqvarna and Stihl trimmer and see how it attaches and if the RPMs increase.
I've had the Stihl FS90R for roughly 4 years, I use it about 10 months a year in South Texas once a week or so. I've changed out the spark plug , air filter, priming bulb and trimmer head. I've never ran an Echo so I have no comparison but my Stihl has been the best weed eater I've ever owned.
I’m a Landscaper and we use Stihl equipment. My boss swears they are the best of the best. I went to buy a string trimmer to use for home use but they didn’t have the Stihl brand in stock so I settled for an Echo. I was skeptical at first. Now I swear by the Echo string trimmer. I’ve had mine 2 years and haven’t had any issues. It’s easy to string up , very simple actually. I love it. I have a pretty good size yard. I have an Echo backpack blower too. Just as good as a Stihl.
Thanks for sharing. I'm seeing others who've discovered success by stitching to ECHO. I think the introduction of their Xseries is when they really started to gain momentum.
I cut 18+ yards a week and have a fs70r and it's never failed me once in 4 years. It starts on the first or second pull every time. The thing is a beast with .65 line.
I run 2 echo 2620s for my small lawncare business and they are great . Taken down some tough yards with ease. Use the easy tune up kits every 6 months and strictly ethonal-free w/red armor. keeps the machine running top shape for an extended time
@@MarkThomasBuilder no problem thanks for videos . The tune kits are great , super easy and i can tell the difference with fresh filters and a spark plug .
I’ve owned stihl and echo. I live on a small farm. Use both and beat both to death. The stihl is not made nearly as good as the echo. I switched to echo and have only bought 1. If I can’t tear one up then it can’t be tore up. Echo all day.
My FIL bought a Stihl fs90 in the early 90's, and it's still going despite 20 years of ethanol crap gas. It doesn't get used all that much, so it's not wore out. It doesn't hold a candle to my Echo 42cc brush cutter, but that makes sense since the Echo is 14cc's larger. What's interesting is that the Echo uses less fuel for the same amount of work when it's a larger engine. The Echo also starts easier cold and hot running the same non-ethanol mix. I run 40:1 on the fatter side in all my 2-strokes. 50:1 is an EPA compromise and is too dry for my liking. Bottom ends need oil for long bearing life and cooling. What's interesting in your comparison is that the Echo didn't bog and has the smaller engine. If you consider your concern for breaking the line as it slowed your attack, the Echo actually out cut the Stihl. Echo's always been reluctant to post HP ratings, so you can't use that data. But you failed to mention their 3yr commercial and 5yr homeowner warranty vs Stilh's 1yr. I have 2 Echo chainsaws in the 35cc class and the 42cc brush cutter. They range from 3 to 9 years old, and have all been flawless. Stihl's lower end homeowner machines don't compare favorably in the long run. They're just not designed as well or built as robust. I put a brush blade on the FS90 and the shaft flexed when hitting saplings despite it being the same diameter as the Echo's. The Stihl was sold with the brush blade and guard as factory. In fact, it's poor performance with the brush blade is what made me buy the Echo. Stihl and Husqvarna's comparable brush cutters are hundreds more vs the Echo in the same engine class. Stihl does make some great stuff, but you end up paying a lot more for it. When you get into large chainsaws, Echo doesn't offer them (at least not in the US), and Husqvarna and Stihl end up a lot closer price wise, CC for CC.
I was given a Stihl FS80R. It came with the more expensive 3 point 12 metal blade and adapter set up. It also came with a cultivator attachment. So I bought a string trimmer head for it, because I got the unit free. The unit is almost 20 years old appears to be from 1999. Well the thing starts right up and runs and cuts great. The clutch might be slightly worn because the blade does not completely stop, but it slows way down. I'm gonna be getting a tube of the grease for it, it could use it. It is still one of the best weed trimmers I ever used hands down. Stihl.
Both brands are good for lawn care company use. Honestly though has crazy as it sounds, for a person mowing their own yard I'd recommend a craftsman, I bought one from a sears that was about to close "Marked 65% off" It was the one that's suppose to compete with STIHL "It doesn't" but honestly even the sticker price "$199" well worth the money, blows over my brothers overgrown yard that I mow for him since he works nights with no problem, I was honestly Impressed. Echo's have smaller engines, but it reminds me of a modern Hemi 5.7 VVT vs a chevy 6 liter. The 5.7 will blow it away for reasons other than overall engine output. Both are very respectable brands though. A lot of lawn care channels on youtube claim Echo's can run all season long without problems, while most claim STIHL needs regular carb cleans.
I bought a push mower from Sears several years ago and it's worked well for me. I haven't tried their trimmers though. I've been running mostly ECHO the last few years and happy to say that I'm not having to do carb cleans. My Stihl's have needed that a few times.
Had a Craftsman trimmer for over a decade. It stil lwas awesome but the primer bulb fell off then the carp f'd up. Sears wanted too much to repair it and no one else wanted to touch it. Went to buy another one and they are junk these days . Went with echo. Wish my Craftsman still worked. need to see if I can repair it ...IF I still have it.
@@MarkThomasBuilder no problem! we still have 5-6 feet of snow so i won't be until june that i could try one. i recently bought a 501p chainsaw and was very very satisfied with it!
I had an Echo. Left a Stihl and echo trimmer in the back of my truck. Got back and the Echo had been stolen the Stihl wasn't touched. A good thief knows value and quality. Same thing happened to my echo chainsaw. First echo chainsaw I bought back in the mid 90s was stolen. I do have a Stihl edger I bought in the 90s that still runs to this day. That was before "obsolescence manufacturing" got started.
I've got 2 echo trimmers, a 230 and a 280t. I'm sold on them. Been running them hard for 7 and 8 years now with no guards. Never had them in the shop although the 230 needs some attention now as it does not idle well. Runs good at 80 to 100 percent throttle.
The Echo for sure. I just replaced my 18 year-old Echo SRM-210 with the 2620-T.he 210 has taken a beating on my acreage for the last 12 years and finally just wore out. I've run every kind of brush and grass cutting blade on it and worked it for hours at a time; sometimes days on end and it's been great. The gear ratio on the 2620 ups the torque, and it seems to me that may have made the difference in the performance in your test = and the Echo made the first cut through the middle of the circle which the Stihl did not have to make.
I have an older Echo SRM 230 and SRM 260 and I like them a lot. But I also have a Stihl FS55 and FS90R and I like them a lot too. It's hard to say which brand I like better. I've had no problems with either, and they have both racked up some hours cutting grass and brush.
That’s right! This guy obviously doesn’t or hasn’t made any money with his equipment. He looks like he never will have a grasp of reality. The stihl company will NEVER get my business. I’ve been stuck having to use their crap and didn’t make any money those days. Fact is stihl is SHIT!!!
Thank you my friend. A great demonstration. I think I prefer the still, can't really say why, except for me I'm not that far from the factory, and it feels real American. Either way a lot of my preferences are not rational.I do once again appreciate your time very professionally done Henry
They sound different because of the 4 stroke vs 2 stroke, the ECHO will rev higher but power output should be similar. I have a FS90R and it has been a great trimmer for me, and trust me I put it to work.
Its going to be at what rpm band the power is made you will tell different the 4 mix will be steady torque range 2stroke will rev higher and faster most of time ditches fences (reasonbly)both do well real over grown thick stringy growth its hard to beat the 4cyc srm 261t 2006 model ? And stihl fs91r is what I work daily with both great
I’ve had my echo for about 3 years, it’s a smaller one and it was 200 bucks, one of the things i do for a living is clean yards and i absolutely love the echo. It has never done me wrong, it just wont quit, It always start pretty much at 2 or 3 pulls. Has great power, not to mention restringing it is easier then all other weed eaters. My other tools are stihl.
Sounds like my experience with the Echo line trimmer. It works very well and is starts easily. I'm in the process of putting a ECHO Speed Feed head on my Stihl line trimmer.
I have both an Echo and Sthil trimmers with the split boom. I have the trimmer and saw blade for the Echo. And I have the trimmer, straight and bent shaft, pole saw, articulated sigh, and the paddle sweeper. Both have seen about the same use and both are about equal in maintenance, Etc. When I bought my Echo, they were only available through dealers, the very next year HomeDepot started carrying them and the dealer I purchased mine from dumped Echo as a product they would stock on the shelf. I consider both to be good machines, but I think if you have a good dealer, the Sthil might give better customer service.
As far as I know, the Echo professional models are available from dealers. Home Depot stocks more of the residential models. I agree, a good dealer is important. With all that said, I haven't had any issues with my Echo products, which I've owned for up to 2 years.
plantation lawn The Echo regular head does well too but for his scenario the "T"-model with the 2:1 head would be sufficient. I know this as I believe I have the PAS model of this trimmer but with the regular Speed Feed head and gearbox.
Echo starts every time and I neglect mine for maintenance, nothing in 5 years and runs like i just got it. Only use the power blend echo oil and line. Great engine echo
Cool Video, around Memorial day My yard will get 2 foot tall grass because I push mow, the Push mower cuts higher than the Riding mower and doesn't scalp the yard as much, plus it gets pretty wet sometimes, but the Stihl FS 90r is a really good trimmer, use it to trim around the Bushes and trees and keep a path through the woods nice, made some paths to some wild black Raspberry bushes with it and I used it to clear an area passed the yard to be able to have a 30 yard shooting range plus I use it to trim overhanging branches that get in my way, when both my Push mower and Riding mower was needing fixed, I trimmed 2 acres with the Stihl FS 90 R trimmer, took about 8 hours to trim it all, just the mowing part with the grass 2 foot tall, The Stihl FS 90r is a freakin' beast, in case you're wondering why the grass will get 2 foot tall, it's because I'll be at work trimming grass for an average of 48 hours a week, even if it gets to be 95 degrees with a humidity that feels like 100 degrees.
No, that don't bother my back at all, before High School I used to help Grandpa with Fire wood, we didn't have equipment other than our backs, a chainsaw, a garden tractor and a makeshift sled made from metal roofing and a rope, or we'd use a trailer, sometimes the leaf collection trailer from those vacuums that fasten to the discharge on the mower deck, and we'd split wood with a Splitting maul, so I got a strong back from that and we had Gym class in school, plus now I trim 8 hours a day, with 3 breaks, at work, one day I trimmed for 11 hours, because we was so far behind for memorial day, the Newbies spent more time on their phones than they did trimming so we got really far behind, but yea, after a long period of time, it can have an effect, if you're not used to it, I got an Outdoors backpack from the Sporting goods store and converted it to a trimming supply backpack, it now holds a 5 gallon steel Jerry can for 2 cycle trimming gas, the small flat screw driver, the rod for changing trimmer heads, that multi tool that comes with it to change attachments on it, a can of Starting fluid, a spool of trimming string, and the Lubrication grease tube, when I was trimming by myself for that extra 4 hours, I used that Backpack that I converted at work, it'll wear you out faster than not having it, but it's a huge help, when you've got a ton of trimming to do.
I love my FS90R, but it’s a pain to get parts for. Have to go to the dealer EVERY TIME and the trimmer has some over engineered designs, which makes sense because it’s German. I also run a small engine shop, so it becomes a huge pain having to deal with the customer and the dealer. I don’t see too many Stihl or Echo machines in, mostly cheap Troy Bilt junk and stuff like that. I’m thinking about replacing some stuff with Echo. If I had to do it over again I’d probably go with Echo.
I've had a Stihl trimmer for 15 years, and it's still running great. I live on a creek and have to cut the grass and weeds on the bank because it is too rocky and steep for anything else. I'm probably cutting about 1/2 acre each time with just the trimmer, so I need to mow down tall grass/weeks fast. My Stihl goes through it like butter. I'm sure Echo is probably just as capable and both companies make a great trimmer. However, the reason I went with Stihl is because my local shop sells them. The reason they sell Stihl was because they give superior support to small local shops like them. No one else, including Echo would give them the time of day. Perhaps things have changed today, but that was certainly an issue a few years ago. For me I would pick a local shop and go with the brand they support the best. You don't want to spend $300-$400 on a trimmer that you can't get serviced easily. The same goes for your blower and chainsaw.
My Echo lasted 18 years and never did any maintenance I don’t even think I change the plug. I the market for a new unit now was considering the stihl. But I think I will get another Echo.
I have an srm210 I've been using since 2008. I've had to replace a few parts but I like it because it's light. I do have the sthil fs90 and carry it in my trailer every day as a back up. I go with echo every day though.
That's interesting. Do you run them with a trimmer guard? I just took mine off for the first time and was surprised how much lighter it is. I'm probably going to put it back on though.
markthomasbuilder I do run my trimmer with a guard. If I was to take mine off I would take the guard off the sthil. It is so big and makes it hard to get in tight spaces.
The T in the 2620T stands for torque. It has 2:1 gear reduction. This effectively doubles the horsepower at the head. Therefore it is harder to bog down.
I think the Echo sounded like it had more power. I have an Echo SRM 265S. I'm looking for a new unit. Have been doing some comparative research online with RedMax vs. Maruyama vs. Shindaiwa vs. Echo. I've tried Stihls and I prefer otherwise.
Thanks Alexander! I actually ended up with a Maruyama BC2621CA. It's a 25.4 CC, straight shaft that is very light in terms of weight but has great power, a quick reloading head, near zero vibration and a 5 year commercial warranty. I've had it about 6 weeks and am very happy so far.
I have used and/or owned all of the following brands: Stihl, Echo, Husqvarna, Homolite, Remington, Poulan and others over the last 15 years on a daily and commercial basis. Obviously some of the new units are no where near the quality they once were and are now just big box store consumer grade throw away cheapies (last 3 on my list). The main thing to consider when buying any unit is how close is the dealer and what level of after the sale service do they provide. Stihl has always been a top name product. Echo has been working very hard to improve their product line and I can see the difference in both design AND reliability from 6 years ago. Husqvarna is also a great product. We have 3 Sthil dealers in my area. All but 1 of them also sell Echo and Husqvarna. Strange as it may sound, I deal with the one that is located the longest distance from our shop. The service, price and overall experience is FANTASTIC!!! When I need something they go out of their way to get it and provide straight up answers to sales related questions when making a purchase. All of our blowers are Husqvarna, all the trimmers/chainsaws are Sthil. Echo bed edgers and top handle chain saws (The new pruning saws are great-CS271T units rock). We went this route and have a mix on the trailers because of the dealers recommendation. All 3 top names are decent (and they all break Lol). Dealer service is worth more than any brand name or price tag. Find a good dealer, buy whatever they sell and be happy. Yes, you can buy an Echo unit (and other brands) for less at a box store, but if and when you need service they will send you to the closest servicing dealer (That may be 100 miles away?). While most will repair your unit, priority will (and should) be given to their customers. Is it really worth the $20 you saved?. My point is that you need to find a dealer you like and buy whatever brand they sell All 3 are decent brands and will work well.
My Echo weed eater is going on 20years now with gray body straight shaft always start no maintenance needed no bog down with perfect power for what I needed.
I traded a cheap Remington chainsaw for Stihl FS56RC trimmer acouple years ago. Best trade ever. Best trimmer ive ever owned and its still running strong and i use it daily for my lawn care business.
Both brands are an excellent choice. I had my first Stihl trimmer for 18 years before the spindle finally started to go on it, and the first two years it was operated 5 days a week 5-6 hours each day. The only other maintenance I ever had to do on it was replace the primer bulb once because it dry rotted and cracked. I’ve also used Echo on a fairly regular basis helping a buddy who owned a landscaping company. MY experience... Echo FEELS lighter and is definitely more comfortable to use and feels more “balanced” when you’re holding it. Stihls feel a bit bulkier and a little more cumbersome but they will start on one or two pulls for years and years with very little to no maintenance and are damn near indestructible. I didn’t really care for how the string loads in the Echo vs how it loads in the Stihl but that’s just personal preference and probably because I had so much prior experience with Stihl trimmers. Bottom line... both are a good bet. And I would encourage any homeowner to buy either one of these more expensive, commercial grade trimmers over the $79 Homelite or the like. It’s much more expensive initially but the more expensive trimmer will last 5x as long and give you far fewer headaches in the long run.
I agree, you get what you pay for. When I was growing up, we had a Weed Eater brand that never ran very good, even after getting it tuned up. I had to resort to our electric one around the house, which took forever.
I have an FS 111R and an SRM 280s. I find that the Stihl feels more comfortable for longer use, but the echo is better balanced.I like the echo throttle trigger better. I wished the dealer had the FS 111RX in stock when I bought, but sadly that was not the case. I can totally agree that both are great machines and will last. The "you can" maintenance kits make it easy for homeowners to keep the Echo's running tip top. I run Stihl chainsaws and pole pruners etc so I switched to stihl trimmer and blowers and I'm very satisfied.
I'm going with Echo, all the way. I've got one that's around 20 years old, still runs excellent, along with a newer version [SRM-3020T] of the old one (which also runs great). Both trimmers are straight shaft designs (superior to curved shaft trimmers). The only thing I've changed on them is the trim heads (at the time of purchase) to Echo Rapid Loader professional heavy duty fixed 2-line heads. These heads are designed so that you can use a couple different sizes in them (.080" - .155"). I've been using .105" line ('cause it gets difficult trying to find the thicker line in the typical big box store) on both trimmers. Thicker line simply makes these trimmers even more efficient. With the .130" or .155" line you can even trim through heavier weeds with the tougher stems, because the heavier line transfers more energy into cutting force, without slowing the trimmer head speed. The old professional head still works as good as the new one does, so that bodes well for life of the new one. Both are easy to use, highly reliable, and comfortable to use. You can get a lot done on a tank of fuel, even at sustained full throttle, trouble-free, on 2-stroke oil and the horrible fuel CA has. The only additional purchase I strongly recommend, is upgrading the standard echo head to the professional Echo 2-Line Rapid Loader Trimmer Head. Stihl has yet to impress me, even with chainsaws, where I'll take a Husqvarna instead.
Interesting perspective. I never knew CA had different fuel than other states. I'm a big fan of the ECHO Speed Feed Head. I also have a Husqvarna chainsaw that has been amazing for me. I think I've had it for about 15 years now.
@@MarkThomasBuilder Yep, there's two state additive formulas, one for winter, one for summer, and it's part of the reason it costs so much (before the 17 other state taxes are even applied). It's also why there's a big price jump during the summer half of the year. You can also buy fuel with standard (non-CA) premixed ratios for small engines only, but it's around $20-22/gallon.😱 (example: VP Small engine fuel, 50:1, TrueFuel 50:1) The simpler the trim head, the better. The bigger the line, the better.
I'VE BEEN USING ECHO SINCE 1990,,AND STIHL FOR 10 YEARS,,BUT ABOUT WICH I THINK IT'S THE BEST (OF COURSE) ECHO, THE BEST WEAPON IN ALL MY BATTLEFIELDS..
I recently was talking with someone who said the same thing. He works for the city doing landscaping at some big cemeteries and really likes using ECHO.
I would say the Echo wins. The Stihl has a bigger engine and a smaller cutting head and it still bogs down. The Echo has a smaller engine and a bigger cutting head and it still takes with out really bogging down. Also the Echo has a bigger fuel tank the speed feed head. (I cant tell if yours has that or not.) I have used a couple Stihl weed eaters before and they have just never wowed me.The one Echo weed eater that I own is from the 80s and it would mow circles around the Stihl that my dad had. Right now they are both down I need to get my Echo going again a mud dauber built a nest in it and it has been sitting for a few years. I have been using a Cub Cadet for the last couple of years I have yet to have an issue with it. Great video :)
Thanks, I used to have a Cub Cadet trimmer a long time ago and my main issue was my right forearm would touch against a part of the engine that was very hot. I'm guessing they fixed that?
jack mehoff well stihl discontinued the fs 90r and replaced it with thr fs 91r which has a 24oz tank. larger than the previous 90r. That was one of many improvements made.
I think I'm going to go buy the Echo Pro Attachment deal, and get the trimmer, edger, brush cutter, pruner, paddle, trimmer attachments... and be done. I love my husky chainsaw, but hate going to The Home Depot, where they sell them. My local vendor is 100% Echo. I want to support them and have a local service option. Thanks so much for the video!
All my ECHO equipment runs great! I'm planning on getting the paddle for my PAS-280 and show how it works in a future video. So far, all the videos I've seen about it have positive feedback.
Looks pretty much like a wash. Stihl parts and service are only available at select locations and that may be an issue in some areas. Not a lot of personal experience using Stihl's, but have repaired quite a few. Good, tough units and are very popular here in So. Florida with landscapers. Have owned and used Echo's personally and had good serviceability and value with them. Had a Shindaiwa for 34 good years of service, and finally gave it to a friend and his son killed it soon afterwards by running it over with a Dixie Chopper. Gas tanks, air filters, and cutter heads were all that machine ever needed in all those years.
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I personally don’t think you can go wrong with either one. I use the Echo and it has never let me down. One major positive for the Echos are they have a 5 year warranty compared to Stihl’s 2 year warranty.
Yes, good point.
For home use, for commercial use the Echo goes down to 2 years
@@zachsowell8845and your point?
@@MarkThomasBuilderI have both of these. love them both - but for me I prefer the echo. But rate them both.
I had a model older than this one that I love. My sister has difficulty with tools that are too heavy and she actually loved mine and found it easy to use ua-cam.com/users/postUgkx_rBCFuDW1zD6blTGhLkvAkxU657uR_lG . This is a newer model but was even lighter which she really appreciates. She enjoys it and I no longer have to go to her house to trim as she can handle it fine. Haven't used it enough to comment on the battery life but lithium batteries last longer than the old style. Being cordless makes it easy to trim the far edges of the property. The entire yard can be trimmed with one charged battery.
So far I've just been running echo and love them. I put them through hell every week and they keep going so far
Awesome, I'm definitely happy with mine as well.
9 years, 11 miles of road, 7 parks, 5 wells, 1x 3500 plot cemetery.. 4 echo trimmers, replaced all 4, once... most likely from 3 things, abused running wide open, fuel too lean (burnt cylinder) or ran over by a truck... if I recall correctly.
I own that Echo trimmer and have found it to be the best one I have ever had. It is a beast and goes through anything and doesn't complain. First trimmer that I have kept the factory line feed system on. The Echo string is the best, sometimes I will trim for almost an hour and never feed new line out. Since I got this trimmer I have been converting other thing to Echo and have not been disappointed.
That's awesome! I like their Black Diamond line.
Me to!!
I got a 2320T last year. Cleaned out a ditch with Black Diamond 95 line and it was amazing. My neighbor’s kid runs a 2620T for his lawn care business. He’s the one who turned me on to Echo stuff.
This video is about 5 years old now and the comments started out with everyone voting for Stihl. I discovered a shift in votes for ECHO about 2-3 years ago. The word is getting out on how well they compete.
Wow, was I impressed. I recently bought the Echo 2620T. Couldn't wait to start it up and give it a try, I fueled it and followed the instructions. The beast fired up on the 4th pull for its maiden run. Keeping the speed down, I edged our lawn, and trimmed the few areas my mower can't get into. I called it a Beast, because it is one. I had first ordered the 2320T, and was disappointed that it wouldn't cut our St. Augustine grass runners. Sending it back, I then ordered the 2620T, and what a difference. I also installed a timer on my new beast, and to date, I have run it now for 10.7 minutes. I'm not going to use full power till I reach 25 minutes, but then I haven't had to either. This beast is beautiful, and worth every penny.
I highly recommend the Echo brand, because if all their gas engines run as well as my new 2620T trimmer, I will no longer use my old FS55R Stihl. It was good, but then I didn't have anything else to compare it with. Now that I do, I won't be going back to Stihl. I'm also running Ethanol Shield now mixed in my 5 gallon gas container. Life is beautiful in my two yards.
Thanks for sharing. It's good to hear in depth experiences with both brands. My 2620T is still going strong, by the way.🙌
I have owned both brands. Stihl was the premium back in the day. With attachments: multiple different blades, harnesses, handles, face shield and muffs cost us a small fortune. Loved it though. Echo is my go to now. Currently have had a straight shaft for over 8 years doing basic tune ups, and just today having to replace the Recoil starter assembly. I run it into the ground and like a timex takes a licking and keeps on ticking. Just purchased another one on sale at Home depot to dedicate it with a blade kit. Thanks for the time you took. Good comparison.
Thanks Cheryl, I've had better luck with ECHO trimmers. The one in this video is a champ!
I'm sure the Echo is amazing too but I can only speak to the FS 90R that I've had since 2012 and Stihl starts and runs like it's brand new! Love it!
Mine also does a great job of starting. It's needing an adjustment for a slight miss at top speed. I'm sure there's a UA-cam video for that.
I have a 30 year old echo trimmer, it still runs like new and it’s a good thing since parts are no longer available. Also still using an echo power pruner that is about 25 years old.
Good to hear! My echo trimmer is 40+ years old and works great also. Five years ago my clutch went bad and was able to get a new clutch and throttle trigger. I can get both today if I am willing to wait. Echo online's (out of Florida) prices are great. Do you have the original head on your power pruner. I bought mine when there was no auto oiler. Went thru 2 heads and added two more power pruners. Did you get the 4 ft. extension for it? Hope yours run for many more years.
@@dogsplantscarsneatstuff176 Modern power plants will be unlikely to last more than 20/25 years definitely not 35 or 40!
@@Zach-sg5uu I wish you were wrong. I hate that they complicate the carb adjustment screws with these outlandish screwdrivers we have to buy.
@@dogsplantscarsneatstuff176 Why do you have to be sarcastic?!
@@Zach-sg5uu I don't understand. I was stating my opinion in the negative: I think today's quality is not nearly as good as many years ago. Ergo agreeing with your statement.
thats a good comparison. I'd be happy with either although I'd lean toward the echo because it has a greater fuel capcity so you don't have to refuel so often. Thanx for your effort - it's probably the best - non-bias video I've seen
Thanks, I tried to make the comparison as fair as possible.
I use Echo products and I’ve never had any problems. I have the SRM-225 and the CS-590 Timber wolf chainsaw. Love them both.
Sounds like my experience too. I'm doing a tree cleanup today and know the ECHO saw will come through for me.
I currently own an electronic echo and love it. My favorite feature is how the line is loaded!
I like the Echo Speed Feed Head. Very innovative!
I've owned a small lawn care business for 15 years and still have 2 Echo machines running from the beginning. All I have done to my equipment is use non-ethanol fuel (91 octane), Echo brand 2-stroke oil, added Stabil to the fuel. Prior to storing for winter ran the engine till warm, drained fuel from tank, started till engine dies. Never any issues. Solid equipment.
That's good to hear! Sounds like solid advice for winter storage.
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My favorite was definitely the echo I can’t believe it had a smaller engine and it’s performance was better I will definitely buy an echo
The engine really revs up high and keeps going through the tall stuff very well.
The comparison was pretty close to even except you took the echo right done the middle of the thick grass while you did not do the same with the stihl. You also went over the Echo side twice while only going over the stihl side once. If I had to choose I would choose the Echo. I bought an Echo trimmer from Home Depot two years ago and haven't had a single problem or issue with it. It trimmers about 55 yards a week including edging. Echo all the way all day!
That's an impressive amount. Thanks for the feedback of your Echo experience.
What mower do you use?
55 yards a week? So you do more than 9 a day?!? Based on a 6 day week??
@@pappas1000 solo if you get route density up can do 15 - 20 yards a day. so 55 could be 15 a day over 4 days.
I'd like to comment on LLS comment. I say your exaggerating here ole buddy, I've had a lawn service in SE Texas for 30 years, we now year round, normally do around 100 a week so I can surely see your 55, but doing 50+ a week ain't happening w no home depot echo, man those things wont hold up at all. I have Mexicans running my equipment, they are really hard on stuff, a Stihl is the only thing that will hang with them, they can't tear em up. I have tried echo several times over the years, even just buying one and keeping it for personal use, they just won't hold up period. When they run they do good, but that's a big IF, that new 4-mix Stihl makes is damm near indestructible, next time you buy get you that 131, you can thank me later
All my garden tools are Stihl. I did try Husqvarna, which is a rather known brand but did not make it. For me Stihl, german brand is known for quality and reliability. Stihl has wont me over for quality and relialibity.
mine mostually all stihls kombi systems and sh86 blower
As a homeowner I’ve run a Shindiawa for 17 years just purchased an Echo 2620 so we shall see! Thanks
I would say your Shindiawa had a good run if it lasted that long. I think you'll be happy with the 2620.
just a quick fyi, echo and shindaiwa are owned by the same parent company now. the 2620 and shindaiwa t262 are virtually the same machine save for a different grip material, throttle trigger and presence switch and guard.
The shindaiwa has a solid shaft.
I just invested into a SRM-225 (Homeowner grade) and I'm just getting used to the ECHO trimmer, I tuned the fuel screws because it sounded a little rough out of the box. In heavy weeds, it seems to have plenty of power and does not give me problems like the MTD stuff. The ECHO also seems to run a long time on a tank of fuel.
I haven't had to tweak mine yet. The motor seems to take slightly longer to warm up, but once it does, it powers through.
I have both the echo and the Stihl. The Stihl died after one year and the Echo is still going after 10 years. I use the same cord as you and it is the best trimmer cord I have ever used. Thanks.
That's interesting to hear.
I've got an ECHO SRM-266S, & it's an absolute beast; especially w/ the Samurai Fury line. I love it. Nice vid!
I've been happy with the ECHO trimmer's power, ever since the start of using them.
Line suggestions?
As a former professional user (did a lot of landscaping and gardens maitenance while at university) shindaiwa (same as echo machines) was my choice when i bought my brushcutter for "domestic" use. My T260 (26cc) stood my abuse fighting weekly mediterranean maquis, cistus, heater, bramble bushes and so on, weed is the lightest thing it cut, for 20 years. So, if it never fails on me, it will be replaced by shindaiwa or echo.
Interesting to hear that. I'm very happy with my ECHO outdoor equipment as well. They're built to last.💯💪
In P.R. still the price is more expense over $600. I like more eco
Both are excellent. I use and prefer the fs90r by far more powerful machine. One swipe and done as the video elistrated. Thank you for the demo
Cool, thanks for posting!
I've read most of the comments and I think it's safe to say both are good machines and people have their loyalties to both. Dealer support is huge though, without it, it doesn't matter what you have if you need service. My dealer is fairly large and sells Stihl, Echo, Shindaiwa and Redmax but their commercial turn around time during peak season can be as long as 5 weeks. I'm fixing to pull the trigger and switch to echo. so i have to cast my vote for echo in this case.
Wow, 5 weeks is a long time! Dealer support is where it's at. Good luck in your switch! ECHO has served me well, as well as Stihl.
Great video! I would take the stihl over the echo, but I'm a bit biased. I used to work for a stihl distributor so maybe that's why. I also like the way the stihl engineers seem to think ahead and incorporate a better service experience when designing their products. However having said that, the echo srm-2620t is one hell of a nice machine.
Thanks, I'm happy with both brands to be honest. I think Echo is also working hard to compete in the professional outdoor tool arena.
I like Stihl that said I graveyards and I used both Stihl and echo.Echo gets it done .but Stihl just goes through it a whole different way in my opinion.
I'm fixing to buy one of these. I don't think it matters which. Both seem to be complete overkill for my application. The Echo did sound more fantastic-er tho. And yes they both sounded incredible idling together. Killer drone shots as well.
Thanks man, even if they're overkill, either one should last you a very long time, giving you a good return on your money.
I love my Shindaiwa T262 which is the same as the Echo 2620 with a little different control placement. I think the ergonomics on the Shindaiwa are better but the engine and rest of the parts are the same. Though the T262 has a steel rod in the shaft but the 2620 has a wire rope, the 2620T has a head which has a little different gearing (slows the line speed but give more torque.) The cutting swath is different I believe, 20in for the T262 and 17in for the 2620.
I was a little concerned with the smallish engine but my dealer said it would do great for my usage. I have 700 yards of irrigation ditch and so I am going through thick grass, clover and weeds which can be from a foot to 3 feet tall. I also have several hundred yards of grass along fence lines that I am doing. My usage model is to fill up the trimmer, let it warm up, then start cutting. when the tank is almost empty fill it up and go wide open again. Lots of times I never let up on the throttle because I am going non stop. I will run 3 to 4 tanks like that back to back. I can't comment too much on the part throttle operation but it seems to do good, that is .01% of my usage. In case anyone is curious I use Maxima K2 synthetic oil in my 2 stroke machines.
I love how easy to maneuver this trimmer is (lots of odd angles around ditch banks), I think it is well balanced and it doesn't tire me out like other trimmers. I can tear through the thick stuff and it has a lot of power and I am surprised at how thick and fast of material I have to go through to start to load down the engine. I didn't say bog because it never really bogs, it just slows down a little but again I am going through A LOT thicker of material than the average home owner. Also make sure you run about 5 tanks through the Echo before really getting into the power comparison, it breaks in and works even better after the first few and the power really picks up. I will also never own a trimmer that doesn't have the speed feed head. To put new string in the head just align the arrows, feed the line through and then spin the head to wind it inside. You can replace string in about a minute without ever taking the head off or apart. I would take the Shindaiwa/Echo trimmer hands down over the Sthil and I would take the Shindaiwa over the Echo.
Very interesting comments, thanks for posting! I'm very happy with the speed feed head too. I haven't tried Shindaiwa products, but know they are built under the same roof as Echo. Have you tried the Red Armor Oil? Echo highly recommends using it and says that it will improve the rms's and clean the cylinder over a 90 day period. I have the Echo PAS 280 and I'm thinking about buying the trimmer attachment and see how it compares to my 2620T.
I have not tried the Red Armor Oil. I got on the Maxima K2 years ago because that is what the lot of the high RPM kart racers and chain saw racers use. I have never had it gum or carbon up, it burns very clean. I have been using it in my chainsaw for over 10 years and never had a carbon or gum issue and I can't tell you how many log trucks of wood it has cut up. It is a synthetic oil that has a lot of the same properties as the Red Armor. I don't think you can go wrong with either oil, I just get the K2 in big jugs and run it in all of my 2 strokes.
When I got my T262 the dealer had both Echo and Shindaiwa so I got to feel them side by side. It also might make a difference my previous trimmer was a Shindaiwa. The dealer did say though that if a guy came in getting trimmers for his crew he would get the Echo's, if he was also going to be doing trimming the owners would get the Shindaiwa because they liked the feel better. The 280 vs 2620T will be interesting, from what I could see the 2620 is supposed to be the longest lasting trimmer Echo has. If that is marketing speech or some truth I don't know.
Good comparison video. I own a landscaping business and I swear by Echo trimmers. I have 6 Echo Trimmers. The Stihl trimmers these days don't hold up, and from my experience if you use a weedeater like we do, we get about nearly a season out of the commercial grade Stihls. I think I have 2 of the same Echo trimmers you have, but they may be slightly different models, they are 7 years old and we run them hard every day with no problems except the usual wear and tear. An occasional air filter or maybe the bump head wears out, or a pin hole in the fuel line, or a throttle cable breaks. Normal wear and tear on a machine. The Stihl machines that were the best were the FS 80R's because they didn't have the over head valve motors. The new Stihl's with the over head valve motors like the FS90, in my experience, have too many problems with the valves coming out of alignment. I've got 4 of them with 3/4 of a season on them sitting out there in the junk pile. Also with the Echo machines, they told me that they are all rated at commercial grade machines. Stihl does make good backpack blowers, or they used to, and good regular type chainsaws. But in all honesty, with trimmers or weedeaters, I go with Echo. You'll be working while the other companies are sitting around waiting to get their Stihl weedeaters or trimmers out of the shop.
Interesting commentary. Thanks for taking the time to share your experience.
Cole..which echo are you using for your lawn business?
Mostly bull shit
I agree echo is better
I love the echo used Redmax,stihl,husqvarna and shindaiwa. My two favorite is shindaiwa and echo which are basically the same. I can do 9 good size yards on one tank and refill my line in seconds without beating the head to death trying to get it to feed. That speed head is definitely a game changer. Good video man stay safe.
Thanks man, I'm a big fan of the speed feed head as well. I'm going to put it on my Stihl trimmer.
I just want to say hello from Oklahoma, my son Mateo has autism and you have no idea how he enjoys your videos
That is so awesome!😀 Tell him I said hi and thanks for watching. I'm happy to send some stickers and a magnet to him. If he would like that, feel free to email me an address to send them. I'm at markthomasbuilder@gmail.com
What dose that have to do with the weed eating????
@@severoferova5928 you’re pathetic
Don't be dick all your life Sevro.... Great video man thank you for the knowledge looking to buy new equipment for my farm!
@@severoferova5928 Nothing & autism doesn’t actually in occur in most people that are supposedly diagnosed with it!
A lot of women are under diagnosed & a lot of men are over diagnosed!
I have been a landscaper for the last past 25 years I've used nothing but Echo echo is a great company every time I needed my power equipment and always there they always started that's why I go with Echo
What cc do you recommend for tall and thick grass like this guy has? I ask because I have two 21cc and they seem ok but not that powerful. My thought is to go with a 30cc or higher but people seem to like the 2620T's. Thanks.
@@fastrivers812 I walked in the home Depot about 20 years ago and I bought the most expensive as one that had the bigger motor and that cost me I think $339.00 see I like the metal face you're able to change the thick string on it and it will go through any grass
I use Echo products because thats what my local dealer sells! Love my 2620
Having a good dealer makes a world of difference!
I swear by my 2620T trimmer and my Shindaiwa LE254 edger. Both have been extremely reliable.
Thanks for the info!
You totally missed the main difference. The line feed for the Echo is the best in the industry. One would have thought that the one item most used would have been in the review.
Stihl has quick feed head and I have a pile of attachments to do more than ono echo. Have more toque and better fuel economy that's why echo has a bigger tank.
I run the Echomatic head on a SRM 225. It's STUPID how simple and easy to use that head is. It's all of 2 pieces: the outer shell on your weed-eater, and an inner spool with attached spring. Twist and rotate to remove, twist and rotate to replace. Holds plenty of .095" or even .105" inch line. I'll never buy a different head ever again!!
I've had my Echo GT-225 curved shaft trimmer since 2012 & have had zero major issues w/ it. I service it yearly(clean/re-gap spark plug, regrease drive shaft, clean muffler/spark arrestor & clean the throttle assembly/carborator) & I have say that this tool can take a beating & still perform tip top. As someone said in another comment, Echo products are very easy to work on & replacement parts are easy to find for reasonable cost. I have other Echo gas powered tools & I can say the same for those aswell. If you give your Echo a little bit of tlc every 6 - 12 months it'll return it spades by making your outdoor work go fast, smooth & with out a hitch. I highly recommend Echo gas powered products.
That's good to hear! Preventive maintenance is key! I have one of their You Can Tune Up Kits to try out soon.
@@MarkThomasBuilder It's very convenient that Home Depot is basically Echo's one stop shop. Most of the common replacement parts are usually available but any Echo owner can easily find what they need online with little trouble. Echo tools are as much fun to tinker with as they are to run. Good luck with your yearly maintenance & keep that beast running(Echo's don't purr, they growl). Great video btw. I really liked the drone overhead view. 👍👍👍
Thank you! I'll be tuning them up soon.
I worked for a lawn care company for about a year, and they only had echo trimmers. They were some of the worst commercial trimmers I ever used. The motors were very temperamental. and there were no guards over the spark plug wires so after they would crack over time from being dropped you would always get zapped like a tazer. The best trimmers I ever used were the stihl fs44s, because they have an excellent power to weight ratio, they are easy to start, and easy to work on. In my opinion, the best trimmer on the market currently is the stihl fs94r. I have had one for about four months and I am very impressed with the trimmer. It is a 2 stroke motor, which makes it much lighter than the stihl 4 mix trimmers. It is also very reliable, I have been using it every day and it has not disappointed me. I know that there are people who will disagree with me, but it’s just my opinion and what I have found to work best for me.
Thanks for sharing. I've never owned an older ECHO trimmer with the shock issue, but I am aware of it. Their newer trimmers like the 2620 works well and don't have that issue. I haven't tried the fs94r, but I'm sure I'd like it, since it's probably close to the fs90r.
You got some beautiful lawn there my friend. Echo all the way
Thanks! I'm happy with my Echo products too!
I'll say this I used the same Stihl on a golf course for ten years and now use it to do several yards. I am not easy on it whatsoever, I use it to line up honeysuckle and just about everything else, never had an issue with it, never worked on it, only gone through one head, but like I said. I am not easy on it. but after 10+ years of service... like a sore Peter, can't beat it!
Haha, wow! These professional grade trimmers are a classic example of getting what you pay for. Worth the money!
Finally a fair opinion
I bought my wife a echo trimmer with easy start it's the best trimmer I've ever had won't buy anything else but echo they are so much better than sthil there's no comparison trust me I own a small engine shop I work on them for a living I know what I'm talking about
Wow, that's interesting to hear. ECHO power equipment has always come through for me.
Echo is my favorite. Have you ever tried a Toro weedeater. Was curious about em.
I have an old Echo trimmer (1982 vintage) which was sold under the John Deere label. I still use it today. It still starts every spring and does everything I need it to. I am looking for a new head for a hedge trimmer and saw for trimming trees/shrubs. Based on the performance of my ancient Echo and this video and comments, I am confident to stick to the reliable Echo. I have heard a lot of good things from service shops about Echo's. They seldom come in for repair.
I'm happy with all my ECHO outdoor power equipment. I use ECHO Red Armor and they all run great for me. Thanks for sharing the story of your vintage trimmer. I'm glad to hear it's still running good.
I've had the same experiences with Echo. Owned lots of them and abused the weedwackers and never had any issues other than old age fuel lines and the occasional tune up. I inherited my grandfathers Stihl FS90R and SH85 blower. I like the FS90R but I find myself always working on it to keep it running right. Nice machine, super powerful and smooth, but not the most reliable. I flat out dislike the SH85 other than using it to blow out the garage and suck stuff out of flower beds. Hard starting, wrist twisting, heavy bogging piece it is. I owned an SRM230 for 9 years and sold it after I got the FS90R (I regret that decision now) and I spent more time cutting down overgrown lawns with that thing than anything else. I also ran a blade on it a lot cutting fist sized branches and stuff I should have used a chainsaw for. I had that thing so hot so many times it faded the plastic cylinder shroud/cover and I burnt the skin off my arms multiple times. It always ran excellent and never had one issue out of it. The FS90R on the other hand has had way less use than that SRM230 and still gives running problems from time to time. I think when the FS90R bites the dust I'll replace it with a SRM2620 from what I've seen here.
Echo all the way.i have both.. But my fav is Echo.. Less weight.. I just feel a faster reaction from Echo.. Echo last for ever too if you take good care of them.
I have an Echo You Can kit for maintenance. I need to do that to this trimmer before next spring.
Yep the Japanese build great engines
I bought the 91r and the throttle response was abysmal. I returned it for Stihl's only 2 stroke trimmer the fs94r. It's worked flawlessly for 2 seasons. The best power to weight ratio in any trimmer I've used beside my old Kawasaki. Echos are awesome, but heavy beasts.
I remember our first little string trimmer as a kid. I think it was 1978 and it was a Weedeater brand. Little electric. back then the string on them were SO TINY. I own the Echo P225. Beastly little machine. Would not own anything but Echo.
Haha, I think we had the same trimmer. I also remember a weed cutter that was like a mini hedge trimmer on a stick. It was about 4" wide for cutting the weeds. It was slow going for trimming weeds. Anyways... Thanks for voting!
Both trimmers are really good i don't own the echo 2620 we use the echo srm266 and the stihl fs90r both are very dependable in my company the echos are less maint then the stihl fs90 we have to adjust the valves on them every year its very easy to do but echos and stihl is all we use here in south fla.
Cool! What oil do you mix with your fuel? I switched to Echo Red Armor.
markthomasbuilder i use nothing but echo oil not red armor and sometimes husqavarna oil exp we use the heck out of my trimmers 6 days a week all year around.
Victor Rippe yeah man! I have a echo 266s and I love it!!!!!
Alexander Goushy yeah man they are really reliable in my company i just got the 2620 its awesome it has a little more power then the 266
Don't forget to tighten the bottom engine pan screws on the Stihl. Always see them back out.
I use them all. Stihl, Echo and Husqvarna. My Echo 2620T with Weedshark head is my go to for heavy brush out on the property around ponds, etc. For grass and normal; everyday trimming its dealers choice. They are all great machines.
I haven't tried the Weedshark out yet. I'm interested to see how it knocks down the tall weeds.
I'm happy with my fs38 fs55 fs120 fs131 and fs 560 always running winter and summer!
Wow, nice collection!
I'm biased since I own an echo but I've used both and sthil like the echo.
Thanks for your vote!
I see what you did there.
HA I see that! Trying to be sneaky huh?????
@@Vffr1 stihl spelled it wrong tho 💁♂️
Reliability on anything Echo is unbelievable. I have been using the smaller engine Echo trimmer multiple times a week for 8 years now and have done nothing to it except grease the gearbox every now and then. Oh and the Echo speed feed head is the best out there.
I'm a big fan of the speed feed head. My Echo equipment has held up well.
Yes, the echo speed feed head is by far the best. Stihl auto cut head is junk
Does Echo offer a 4 cycle as well as the 2? If so which would you recommend? Just home owner residential, 1/2 acre lot here. I've stopped using Round Up type products...I think it made my dog sick a few years ago. The fence-line is starting to look rather gnarly. Any advice appreciated.
James Clark
Echo doesn’t have a 4-cycle model. The smaller engine (srm-225) is more than enough for around the house.
I really like the Echo SRM-2620, especially with the Speed Feed head, so I think that would work well for you. They only offer a 2 cycle. I'm making a video comparing the brush blades pretty soon. That might be something to consider in thick weeds.
I love Stihl I grew up with em. They run great and they run forever.
I grew up with an old Stihl chainsaw that cut a lot of firewood. I'd like to get another one someday.
Not true none last forever.
GD, I don't know. Our farm Stihl was purchased over 20 years ago and is still running strong. I've put 5-6 plugs, a coil, and a carb in it. It's a heavy beast compared to the echo 266 I bought as a backup, but it just keeps on chugging. Metal blade on the Stihl and string on the Echo
I've never used an Echo but I've heard great things and they look really nice. There's a dealer down the road from me. Stihl I'm not aware of one except maybe a John Deere dealer nearby I think sells them. My friend I used to shoot trap with and I cut his grass swears by Stihl and John Deere. I've used his Stihl FS90R to cut weeds along his fences and it's a joy to use, maybe after extended use you get the hand vibration and shaking and aches from holding it up all day and walking the fences all day, but they work great, plenty of power and they're not too heavy and they're great on gas as long as you use proper throttle control and don't let your grass get too high. If it's high you have to start high and work down which uses more gas and throttle and it can bog down in thick stuff if you're not careful. I love it but just don't need one, and can't afford one. I have a John Deere XT120 trimmer that's great along with a John Deere 12pb 2 stroke silver deck mower that I love, I just wish it was self propelled because I have to work on a hillside but at least it's light and the hill isn't big and that steep. I almost bought an older Echo or a newer one too as they come up used a lot but go fast. But I wanted straight shaft and a John Deere and I got that instead. Too bad it's not old enough to be an Echo made John Deere trimmer. It's an early run Homelite made John Deere trimmer. But at least the quality is still there, parts are still around too for the most part yet a bit expensive. I had to replace the gas cap, which cost me almost $50.
I have been using the FS90R for about 3 years now,never had an issue with it,served me well.Most of my equipment is Stihl,must be the German in me.Great video,keep it up.
Thanks for commenting. I've had good luck with the FS90R too.
I love a stihl "4 mix" basically a 4 stroke without a sump.... I have both brands and you dont have to run the fs series wide open because of the massive torque it produces. I have the fs91r and echo and they are both great depending on what your wanting. I prefer the stihl as I can cruise around with massive torque and not wear myself out. After 3 years the stihl starts first pull 9 times out of 10. The main thing in any trimmer is to run a good oil and NON ETHANOL GAS. To do a true comparison overtime you must run no ethanol to keep the carbs clean. Everyone has their brand though right. Good video man!
Thanks, I appreciate hearing that! I agree with your views. I actually run both trimmers as few time a week. The Stihl started first pull for me today, just like you said they would. I do like the ECHO trimmer too. It's great for the taller stuff, in my opinion.
I run ethanol 93 octane gas in my echo backpack blower and srm225 string trimmer , but I add Stabil 360 marine , marvel mystery oil and echo red armor , I've had zero issues for 3 seasons and they all start right up within 5 or so pulls once primed.
I have one of each. The echo has more torque and stihl more RPMs. Both work well but love the Echo head. Other than that its that Echo parts are available on line at lower prices compared to Stihl at authorized dealers and more expensive. Have also owned e several of each since 70's and they last equally as long. Both good just which models are on sale when I buy.
I have a new Echo Speed Feed head, still in the package. I plan to test it out on my Husqvarna and Stihl trimmer and see how it attaches and if the RPMs increase.
I've recently started switching over to echo so I would probably choose the echo, the 4mix is still good though. Great video and comparisons
Thanks!
Mr. Cut Lawn Care, LLC what made you switch
I went from Echo to Stihl. Love the 4-Mix. And the Stihl chainsaws are beast
I've had the Stihl FS90R for roughly 4 years, I use it about 10 months a year in South Texas once a week or so. I've changed out the spark plug , air filter, priming bulb and trimmer head. I've never ran an Echo so I have no comparison but my Stihl has been the best weed eater I've ever owned.
Thanks for your vote! Preventive maintenance is key, as you've demonstrated.
I’m a Landscaper and we use Stihl equipment. My boss swears they are the best of the best. I went to buy a string trimmer to use for home use but they didn’t have the Stihl brand in stock so I settled for an Echo. I was skeptical at first. Now I swear by the Echo string trimmer. I’ve had mine 2 years and haven’t had any issues. It’s easy to string up , very simple actually. I love it. I have a pretty good size yard. I have an Echo backpack blower too. Just as good as a Stihl.
Thanks for sharing. I'm seeing others who've discovered success by stitching to ECHO. I think the introduction of their Xseries is when they really started to gain momentum.
I have a lot of Echo, fantastic stuff. Have some Stihl too - also great. Echo seems to start a bit easier usually.
I'm happy with my Echo equipment and find that it starts easy.
My business runs echo for weedeating. We have 2 265 and 4 2620. The guys really like the 2620
Thanks, glad to hear it. I'm happy with my 2620T.
I have both and they each have little pluses but both same reliability. The ECHO advantage is Echo OEM PARTS available on line; Sthil only at dealers.
Good point!
I cut 18+ yards a week and have a fs70r and it's never failed me once in 4 years. It starts on the first or second pull every time. The thing is a beast with .65 line.
I haven't gone to line that thin. How does it handle the thicker weeds?
I run 2 echo 2620s for my small lawncare business and they are great . Taken down some tough yards with ease. Use the easy tune up kits every 6 months and strictly ethonal-free w/red armor. keeps the machine running top shape for an extended time
Thanks for the tip. I use the same fuel setup as you. I need to try the tune up kit this spring.
@@MarkThomasBuilder no problem thanks for videos .
The tune kits are great , super easy and i can tell the difference with fresh filters and a spark plug .
7 years and still running my FS 55 R, it will always be Stihl for me.
Thanks for voting! I used to run the same one a few years back. I wasn't the original owner and don't think it was properly taken care of.
I'll go for the Stihl, due to its manufacturing quality standard.
Okay, thanks for voting!
I’ve owned stihl and echo. I live on a small farm. Use both and beat both to death. The stihl is not made nearly as good as the echo. I switched to echo and have only bought 1. If I can’t tear one up then it can’t be tore up. Echo all day.
Wow, that's interesting to hear. I've had good luck with both trimmers, but haven't used them in extreme conditions.
My FIL bought a Stihl fs90 in the early 90's, and it's still going despite 20 years of ethanol crap gas. It doesn't get used all that much, so it's not wore out. It doesn't hold a candle to my Echo 42cc brush cutter, but that makes sense since the Echo is 14cc's larger. What's interesting is that the Echo uses less fuel for the same amount of work when it's a larger engine.
The Echo also starts easier cold and hot running the same non-ethanol mix. I run 40:1 on the fatter side in all my 2-strokes. 50:1 is an EPA compromise and is too dry for my liking. Bottom ends need oil for long bearing life and cooling.
What's interesting in your comparison is that the Echo didn't bog and has the smaller engine. If you consider your concern for breaking the line as it slowed your attack, the Echo actually out cut the Stihl.
Echo's always been reluctant to post HP ratings, so you can't use that data. But you failed to mention their 3yr commercial and 5yr homeowner warranty vs Stilh's 1yr.
I have 2 Echo chainsaws in the 35cc class and the 42cc brush cutter. They range from 3 to 9 years old, and have all been flawless. Stihl's lower end homeowner machines don't compare favorably in the long run. They're just not designed as well or built as robust. I put a brush blade on the FS90 and the shaft flexed when hitting saplings despite it being the same diameter as the Echo's. The Stihl was sold with the brush blade and guard as factory. In fact, it's poor performance with the brush blade is what made me buy the Echo. Stihl and Husqvarna's comparable brush cutters are hundreds more vs the Echo in the same engine class. Stihl does make some great stuff, but you end up paying a lot more for it. When you get into large chainsaws, Echo doesn't offer them (at least not in the US), and Husqvarna and Stihl end up a lot closer price wise, CC for CC.
Which echo model did you buy?
Thanks
@@esgp2868 srm-410u
km131r is the monster 36.3cc biggest weed wacker on market
I was given a Stihl FS80R. It came with the more expensive 3 point 12 metal blade and adapter set up. It also came with a cultivator attachment. So I bought a string trimmer head for it, because I got the unit free. The unit is almost 20 years old appears to be from 1999. Well the thing starts right up and runs and cuts great. The clutch might be slightly worn because the blade does not completely stop, but it slows way down. I'm gonna be getting a tube of the grease for it, it could use it. It is still one of the best weed trimmers I ever used hands down. Stihl.
That's a nice run with it, especially if you're using a blade, which is probably more strenuous on the motor.
Both brands are good for lawn care company use. Honestly though has crazy as it sounds, for a person mowing their own yard I'd recommend a craftsman, I bought one from a sears that was about to close "Marked 65% off" It was the one that's suppose to compete with STIHL "It doesn't" but honestly even the sticker price "$199" well worth the money, blows over my brothers overgrown yard that I mow for him since he works nights with no problem, I was honestly Impressed. Echo's have smaller engines, but it reminds me of a modern Hemi 5.7 VVT vs a chevy 6 liter. The 5.7 will blow it away for reasons other than overall engine output. Both are very respectable brands though. A lot of lawn care channels on youtube claim Echo's can run all season long without problems, while most claim STIHL needs regular carb cleans.
I bought a push mower from Sears several years ago and it's worked well for me. I haven't tried their trimmers though. I've been running mostly ECHO the last few years and happy to say that I'm not having to do carb cleans. My Stihl's have needed that a few times.
Had a Craftsman trimmer for over a decade. It stil lwas awesome but the primer bulb fell off then the carp f'd up. Sears wanted too much to repair it and no one else wanted to touch it. Went to buy another one and they are junk these days . Went with echo. Wish my Craftsman still worked. need to see if I can repair it ...IF I still have it.
great video, i think ill give echo a try! had problems with my stihls trimmer, the higher end ones are very expensive..
If you try it out, please let me know how it works out for you. Thanks!
@@MarkThomasBuilder no problem! we still have 5-6 feet of snow so i won't be until june that i could try one. i recently bought a 501p chainsaw and was very very satisfied with it!
Glad to hear the 501p is working well! It sounds like you live north of me. Are you in Canada?
@@MarkThomasBuilder yes im in canada, im in the north east. we still have alot of snow!
I had an Echo. Left a Stihl and echo trimmer in the back of my truck. Got back and the Echo had been stolen the Stihl wasn't touched. A good thief knows value and quality. Same thing happened to my echo chainsaw. First echo chainsaw I bought back in the mid 90s was stolen. I do have a Stihl edger I bought in the 90s that still runs to this day. That was before "obsolescence manufacturing" got started.
Bought my stihl fs 74 in 1994. Still runs strong after 25 years. Will probably out last me.
Wow, that's getting your money's worth!
I've got 2 echo trimmers, a 230 and a 280t. I'm sold on them. Been running them hard for 7 and 8 years now with no guards. Never had them in the shop although the 230 needs some attention now as it does not idle well. Runs good at 80 to 100 percent throttle.
The Echo for sure. I just replaced my 18 year-old Echo SRM-210 with the 2620-T.he 210 has taken a beating on my acreage for the last 12 years and finally just wore out. I've run every kind of brush and grass cutting blade on it and worked it for hours at a time; sometimes days on end and it's been great. The gear ratio on the 2620 ups the torque, and it seems to me that may have made the difference in the performance in your test = and the Echo made the first cut through the middle of the circle which the Stihl did not have to make.
I've been very happy with my ECHO trimmer. It definitely powers through the tall stuff with no problem.
I have an older Echo SRM 230 and SRM 260 and I like them a lot. But I also have a Stihl FS55 and FS90R and I like them a lot too. It's hard to say which brand I like better. I've had no problems with either, and they have both racked up some hours cutting grass and brush.
I use both Echo and Stihl trimmer. They've both served me well.
Echo. I have 20 lawns & I've used most all types.Echo for my hard earned money!
I've always use Red Armor fuel in my ECHO equipment and they've always come through for me.
That’s right! This guy obviously doesn’t or hasn’t made any money with his equipment. He looks like he never will have a grasp of reality. The stihl company will NEVER get my business. I’ve been stuck having to use their crap and didn’t make any money those days. Fact is stihl is SHIT!!!
Thank you my friend. A great demonstration. I think I prefer the still, can't really say why, except for me I'm not that far from the factory, and it feels real American. Either way a lot of my preferences are not rational.I do once again appreciate your time very professionally done Henry
Thank you, sir! I'm always trying my best!
Stihl is german
They sound different because of the 4 stroke vs 2 stroke, the ECHO will rev higher but power output should be similar. I have a FS90R and it has been a great trimmer for me, and trust me I put it to work.
That's a good point. Thanks for sharing.
Its going to be at what rpm band the power is made you will tell different the 4 mix will be steady torque range 2stroke will rev higher and faster most of time ditches fences (reasonbly)both do well real over grown thick stringy growth its hard to beat the 4cyc srm 261t 2006 model ? And stihl fs91r is what I work daily with both great
I’ve had my echo for about 3 years, it’s a smaller one and it was 200 bucks, one of the things i do for a living is clean yards and i absolutely love the echo. It has never done me wrong, it just wont quit, It always start pretty much at 2 or 3 pulls. Has great power, not to mention restringing it is easier then all other weed eaters. My other tools are stihl.
Sounds like my experience with the Echo line trimmer. It works very well and is starts easily. I'm in the process of putting a ECHO Speed Feed head on my Stihl line trimmer.
That will be an awesome upgrade, i love mine.
I have both an Echo and Sthil trimmers with the split boom. I have the trimmer and saw blade for the Echo. And I have the trimmer, straight and bent shaft, pole saw, articulated sigh, and the paddle sweeper. Both have seen about the same use and both are about equal in maintenance, Etc. When I bought my Echo, they were only available through dealers, the very next year HomeDepot started carrying them and the dealer I purchased mine from dumped Echo as a product they would stock on the shelf. I consider both to be good machines, but I think if you have a good dealer, the Sthil might give better customer service.
As far as I know, the Echo professional models are available from dealers. Home Depot stocks more of the residential models. I agree, a good dealer is important. With all that said, I haven't had any issues with my Echo products, which I've owned for up to 2 years.
The echo sounds like a beast didn't bog at all
It does a great job, for sure!
what's the reduction rate on the stihl? I see the echo is the T which is 2:1 compared to the normal 2620 being 1.62:1 (i think)
plantation lawn The Echo regular head does well too but for his scenario the "T"-model with the 2:1 head would be sufficient. I know this as I believe I have the PAS model of this trimmer but with the regular Speed Feed head and gearbox.
Idk echos we use seem to bog and not run to full power. Even after cleaning them and maitence work. It always seems to happen.
I’ve got a 1000 cc strimmer it goes through anything . It has 200 bhp
I would choose the Echo. More power, lighter weight, fewer moving parts...
Thanks for your vote!
Echo starts every time and I neglect mine for maintenance, nothing in 5 years and runs like i just got it. Only use the power blend echo oil and line. Great engine echo
I use the ECHO Red Armor Oil. It does a great job in my machines.
I'll have to look for that oil.
I run 2007 echo srm 230 and love it still runs like a champ. I have run all the major brands but like the echo the most including my cs620p.
Cool Video, around Memorial day My yard will get 2 foot tall grass because I push mow, the Push mower cuts higher than the Riding mower and doesn't scalp the yard as much, plus it gets pretty wet sometimes, but the Stihl FS 90r is a really good trimmer, use it to trim around the Bushes and trees and keep a path through the woods nice, made some paths to some wild black Raspberry bushes with it and I used it to clear an area passed the yard to be able to have a 30 yard shooting range plus I use it to trim overhanging branches that get in my way, when both my Push mower and Riding mower was needing fixed, I trimmed 2 acres with the Stihl FS 90 R trimmer, took about 8 hours to trim it all, just the mowing part with the grass 2 foot tall, The Stihl FS 90r is a freakin' beast, in case you're wondering why the grass will get 2 foot tall, it's because I'll be at work trimming grass for an average of 48 hours a week, even if it gets to be 95 degrees with a humidity that feels like 100 degrees.
Wow, does your back get sore after trimming for 8 hours? Mine came with a shoulder strap, but I rather go without it.
No, that don't bother my back at all, before High School I used to help Grandpa with Fire wood, we didn't have equipment other than our backs, a chainsaw, a garden tractor and a makeshift sled made from metal roofing and a rope, or we'd use a trailer, sometimes the leaf collection trailer from those vacuums that fasten to the discharge on the mower deck, and we'd split wood with a Splitting maul, so I got a strong back from that and we had Gym class in school, plus now I trim 8 hours a day, with 3 breaks, at work, one day I trimmed for 11 hours, because we was so far behind for memorial day, the Newbies spent more time on their phones than they did trimming so we got really far behind, but yea, after a long period of time, it can have an effect, if you're not used to it, I got an Outdoors backpack from the Sporting goods store and converted it to a trimming supply backpack, it now holds a 5 gallon steel Jerry can for 2 cycle trimming gas, the small flat screw driver, the rod for changing trimmer heads, that multi tool that comes with it to change attachments on it, a can of Starting fluid, a spool of trimming string, and the Lubrication grease tube, when I was trimming by myself for that extra 4 hours, I used that Backpack that I converted at work, it'll wear you out faster than not having it, but it's a huge help, when you've got a ton of trimming to do.
I run the Stihl FS100 RX and FS110 and haven't had any problems with them.
That's good. I noticed today my FS90R needs a little adjustment to reach peak rpm. I'm guessing it shouldn't be too difficult.
I love my FS90R, but it’s a pain to get parts for. Have to go to the dealer EVERY TIME and the trimmer has some over engineered designs, which makes sense because it’s German. I also run a small engine shop, so it becomes a huge pain having to deal with the customer and the dealer. I don’t see too many Stihl or Echo machines in, mostly cheap Troy Bilt junk and stuff like that. I’m thinking about replacing some stuff with Echo. If I had to do it over again I’d probably go with Echo.
Interesting, I never knew that about their parts. I just use ECHO Red Armor oil and 89 octane non-ethanol fuel and it seems to keep them running well.
EBay have sthil parts.they are a bit cheaper than the sthil dealer.which sthil model do you have
Good video!! I’m looking to buy. Based on the comments I’m getting the Echo. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
I've had a Stihl trimmer for 15 years, and it's still running great. I live on a creek and have to cut the grass and weeds on the bank because it is too rocky and steep for anything else. I'm probably cutting about 1/2 acre each time with just the trimmer, so I need to mow down tall grass/weeks fast. My Stihl goes through it like butter. I'm sure Echo is probably just as capable and both companies make a great trimmer. However, the reason I went with Stihl is because my local shop sells them. The reason they sell Stihl was because they give superior support to small local shops like them. No one else, including Echo would give them the time of day. Perhaps things have changed today, but that was certainly an issue a few years ago. For me I would pick a local shop and go with the brand they support the best. You don't want to spend $300-$400 on a trimmer that you can't get serviced easily. The same goes for your blower and chainsaw.
That's a good point. My local Stihl dealer is excellent and I've bought things from them and had good luck with repairs.
My Echo lasted 18 years and never did any maintenance I don’t even think I change the plug. I the market for a new unit now was considering the stihl. But I think I will get another Echo.
That's an amazing run for no maintenance!
If you get 18 years out of anything anymore consider that a win and I'd definitely go with an Echo if you had that type of service out of it.
I have an srm210 I've been using since 2008. I've had to replace a few parts but I like it because it's light. I do have the sthil fs90 and carry it in my trailer every day as a back up. I go with echo every day though.
That's interesting. Do you run them with a trimmer guard? I just took mine off for the first time and was surprised how much lighter it is. I'm probably going to put it back on though.
markthomasbuilder I do run my trimmer with a guard. If I was to take mine off I would take the guard off the sthil. It is so big and makes it hard to get in tight spaces.
The T in the 2620T stands for torque. It has 2:1 gear reduction. This effectively doubles the horsepower at the head. Therefore it is harder to bog down.
That's true that it has more torque than the standard version. I was thinking it was somewhere around 25% more torque, but it could be 50%.
@@MarkThomasBuilder regular Echo has a 1.62:1 gear ratio. The T models have a 2:1 gear ratio.
Echo, have a straight shaft l,ve been using 4 twenty years now. Great quality
Amazing!
Same. Both of mine are straight shaft, too. The old one still runs great at 20 years, so I'm expecting the same from the newer one.
I think the Echo sounded like it had more power. I have an Echo SRM 265S. I'm looking for a new unit. Have been doing some comparative research online with RedMax vs. Maruyama vs. Shindaiwa vs. Echo. I've tried Stihls and I prefer otherwise.
Thanks for voting! I haven't tried Maruyama or Shindawa yet.
Termite159 yeah, I have a 266s, and I love it! Recommend redmax all the way, or new echo: top two brands for weed eaters are those.
Thanks Alexander! I actually ended up with a Maruyama BC2621CA. It's a 25.4 CC, straight shaft that is very light in terms of weight but has great power, a quick reloading head, near zero vibration and a 5 year commercial warranty. I've had it about 6 weeks and am very happy so far.
markthomasbuilder Kinda late and I figured I would point out that Shindawa makes that Echo trimmer just an FYI.
I have used and/or owned all of the following brands: Stihl, Echo, Husqvarna, Homolite, Remington, Poulan and others over the last 15 years on a daily and commercial basis. Obviously some of the new units are no where near the quality they once were and are now just big box store consumer grade throw away cheapies (last 3 on my list). The main thing to consider when buying any unit is how close is the dealer and what level of after the sale service do they provide. Stihl has always been a top name product. Echo has been working very hard to improve their product line and I can see the difference in both design AND reliability from 6 years ago. Husqvarna is also a great product. We have 3 Sthil dealers in my area. All but 1 of them also sell Echo and Husqvarna. Strange as it may sound, I deal with the one that is located the longest distance from our shop. The service, price and overall experience is FANTASTIC!!! When I need something they go out of their way to get it and provide straight up answers to sales related questions when making a purchase. All of our blowers are Husqvarna, all the trimmers/chainsaws are Sthil. Echo bed edgers and top handle chain saws (The new pruning saws are great-CS271T units rock). We went this route and have a mix on the trailers because of the dealers recommendation.
All 3 top names are decent (and they all break Lol). Dealer service is worth more than any brand name or price tag. Find a good dealer, buy whatever they sell and be happy. Yes, you can buy an Echo unit (and other brands) for less at a box store, but if and when you need service they will send you to the closest servicing dealer (That may be 100 miles away?). While most will repair your unit, priority will (and should) be given to their customers. Is it really worth the $20 you saved?. My point is that you need to find a dealer you like and buy whatever brand they sell All 3 are decent brands and will work well.
My Echo weed eater is going on 20years now with gray body straight shaft always start no maintenance needed no bog down with perfect power for what I needed.
Nice man! Echo all the way! I have an srm266s and I love it!!!
Thanks for your vote!
I traded a cheap Remington chainsaw for Stihl FS56RC trimmer acouple years ago. Best trade ever. Best trimmer ive ever owned and its still running strong and i use it daily for my lawn care business.
Cool, that sounds like a good trade!
Echo for ergonomic comfort . When I use Stihl I hurt for 2 days if I had to weed eat for hours, with Echo, not a problem.
I use both on a regular basis. I'll have to take note if I feel different after using either one.
Both brands are an excellent choice. I had my first Stihl trimmer for 18 years before the spindle finally started to go on it, and the first two years it was operated 5 days a week 5-6 hours each day. The only other maintenance I ever had to do on it was replace the primer bulb once because it dry rotted and cracked. I’ve also used Echo on a fairly regular basis helping a buddy who owned a landscaping company. MY experience... Echo FEELS lighter and is definitely more comfortable to use and feels more “balanced” when you’re holding it. Stihls feel a bit bulkier and a little more cumbersome but they will start on one or two pulls for years and years with very little to no maintenance and are damn near indestructible.
I didn’t really care for how the string loads in the Echo vs how it loads in the Stihl but that’s just personal preference and probably because I had so much prior experience with Stihl trimmers.
Bottom line... both are a good bet. And I would encourage any homeowner to buy either one of these more expensive, commercial grade trimmers over the $79 Homelite or the like. It’s much more expensive initially but the more expensive trimmer will last 5x as long and give you far fewer headaches in the long run.
I agree, you get what you pay for. When I was growing up, we had a Weed Eater brand that never ran very good, even after getting it tuned up. I had to resort to our electric one around the house, which took forever.
I have an FS 111R and an SRM 280s. I find that the Stihl feels more comfortable for longer use, but the echo is better balanced.I like the echo throttle trigger better. I wished the dealer had the FS 111RX in stock when I bought, but sadly that was not the case. I can totally agree that both are great machines and will last. The "you can" maintenance kits make it easy for homeowners to keep the Echo's running tip top. I run Stihl chainsaws and pole pruners etc so I switched to stihl trimmer and blowers and I'm very satisfied.
I'm going with Echo, all the way. I've got one that's around 20 years old, still runs excellent, along with a newer version [SRM-3020T] of the old one (which also runs great). Both trimmers are straight shaft designs (superior to curved shaft trimmers). The only thing I've changed on them is the trim heads (at the time of purchase) to Echo Rapid Loader professional heavy duty fixed 2-line heads. These heads are designed so that you can use a couple different sizes in them (.080" - .155"). I've been using .105" line ('cause it gets difficult trying to find the thicker line in the typical big box store) on both trimmers. Thicker line simply makes these trimmers even more efficient. With the .130" or .155" line you can even trim through heavier weeds with the tougher stems, because the heavier line transfers more energy into cutting force, without slowing the trimmer head speed. The old professional head still works as good as the new one does, so that bodes well for life of the new one. Both are easy to use, highly reliable, and comfortable to use. You can get a lot done on a tank of fuel, even at sustained full throttle, trouble-free, on 2-stroke oil and the horrible fuel CA has. The only additional purchase I strongly recommend, is upgrading the standard echo head to the professional Echo 2-Line Rapid Loader Trimmer Head. Stihl has yet to impress me, even with chainsaws, where I'll take a Husqvarna instead.
Interesting perspective. I never knew CA had different fuel than other states. I'm a big fan of the ECHO Speed Feed Head. I also have a Husqvarna chainsaw that has been amazing for me. I think I've had it for about 15 years now.
@@MarkThomasBuilder Yep, there's two state additive formulas, one for winter, one for summer, and it's part of the reason it costs so much (before the 17 other state taxes are even applied). It's also why there's a big price jump during the summer half of the year. You can also buy fuel with standard (non-CA) premixed ratios for small engines only, but it's around $20-22/gallon.😱 (example: VP Small engine fuel, 50:1, TrueFuel 50:1)
The simpler the trim head, the better. The bigger the line, the better.
I'VE BEEN USING ECHO SINCE 1990,,AND STIHL FOR 10 YEARS,,BUT ABOUT WICH I THINK IT'S THE BEST (OF COURSE) ECHO, THE BEST WEAPON IN ALL MY BATTLEFIELDS..
I recently was talking with someone who said the same thing. He works for the city doing landscaping at some big cemeteries and really likes using ECHO.
USE THE ZERO TURN , YOU WOULD BE DONE IN 5 SECONDS
Haha, 100%!
Just jump off the mower every time you mow and move the trampoline. It takes 36 seconds. No trimmer use needed.
I would say the Echo wins. The Stihl has a bigger engine and a smaller cutting head and it still bogs down. The Echo has a smaller engine and a bigger cutting head and it still takes with out really bogging down. Also the Echo has a bigger fuel tank the speed feed head. (I cant tell if yours has that or not.) I have used a couple Stihl weed eaters before and they have just never wowed me.The one Echo weed eater that I own is from the 80s and it would mow circles around the Stihl that my dad had. Right now they are both down I need to get my Echo going again a mud dauber built a nest in it and it has been sitting for a few years. I have been using a Cub Cadet for the last couple of years I have yet to have an issue with it. Great video :)
Thanks, I used to have a Cub Cadet trimmer a long time ago and my main issue was my right forearm would touch against a part of the engine that was very hot. I'm guessing they fixed that?
ACguy 1948 YOU NEED URE HEARING CK. IT DIDN'T BOGDOWN
The echo did bog its just a much different tone being a 2 stroke and the stihl a 4 mix.
The echo might have a bigger fuel tank but the stihl is more fuel efficient
jack mehoff well stihl discontinued the fs 90r and replaced it with thr fs 91r which has a 24oz tank. larger than the previous 90r. That was one of many improvements made.
I think I'm going to go buy the Echo Pro Attachment deal, and get the trimmer, edger, brush cutter, pruner, paddle, trimmer attachments... and be done. I love my husky chainsaw, but hate going to The Home Depot, where they sell them. My local vendor is 100% Echo. I want to support them and have a local service option. Thanks so much for the video!
All my ECHO equipment runs great! I'm planning on getting the paddle for my PAS-280 and show how it works in a future video. So far, all the videos I've seen about it have positive feedback.
Looks pretty much like a wash. Stihl parts and service are only available at select locations and that may be an issue in some areas. Not a lot of personal experience using Stihl's, but have repaired quite a few. Good, tough units and are very popular here in So. Florida with landscapers. Have owned and used Echo's personally and had good serviceability and value with them. Had a Shindaiwa for 34 good years of service, and finally gave it to a friend and his son killed it soon afterwards by running it over with a Dixie Chopper. Gas tanks, air filters, and cutter heads were all that machine ever needed in all those years.
Wow, that's crazy! I know Shindaiwa has a big following of loyal users. I understand why now.