X-Men '97 is honestly more high effort than I was expecting. It's not just good, it's fuckin' quality. I find myself champing at the bit after each episode for the next one.
I'm really enjoying the little details to remind you it's still set in the 90s. When the kid they rescued says to Jubilee "I've got a pager, page me," I about died. PAGERS!
Xmen TAS dosent really hold up, but by god does it contain some good emotional beats and some grandiose speeches about tolerance. Im so glad the makers of 97' understood the asignment perfectly.
I know Xmen TAS doesn't hold up just as most of the shows I watched as a child don't hold up, but this show FEELS like how I remember feeling as a kid watching the original.
Honestly besides some dated fashion, tech, and some dated references I thought the show held up pretty well. Like your not hit in the head that this thing was made in the 90s all that much in the original show. I caught up on it at the end of last year to be ready for the new show and I enjoyed the heck out of the rewatch.
I mean, it has aged in some aspects, mostly the action an ocassional dialogue. But overall, is the best adaptation of the classic Claremont era comics. It hold up as much as they have, which is to say, well enough with some bumps.
I won't lie X-men the animated series got me into X-men, Jubilee and reading Generation X and X-force in the late 90's. Made me an X-character fan. Suffice to say I hated the Quesada and Alonzo EIC era's.
I've had the X-Men on the mind since the first two episodes dropped. I'm an accountant, and we must work Saturdays because it's tax time. It was my job to receive the lunch delivery last week, so I announced it was here by shouting: "To me, my X-Men!" Nobody got the reference.
I rewatched the original series right before '97 and I had forgotten how ropey some of the animation was. Overall, the stories were great but it was definitely a product of its time. I also agree you could not tell these stories in live action in this manner. There are scenes that would come across as soap opera-esque and just take people out of the story. It would be fun to see a version of the Savage Land in live action, though.
I was iffy on the first two episodes, they had their moments but I wasn't sure. But the third episode was great. Doing the Inferno storyline in 25 minutes, that's masterful.
As I said in the previous upload, that's the essence of good writing, taking out the vital organs of the story and junking everything else. I'd describe it as a reverse Frankenstein.
My comment from the first video: The 1997 animated X-Men show was a big part of my childhood. I hope that this continuation will be a big part of the childhood of others.
But seriously, Rogue's ass was so infamous it became a creepy meme. I'm happy they toned it down then went overkill on Episode 3 with its weird Rogue/Mags body horror. BTW, the TV thing getting brained, did NOT expect that! The fact that reviewers have to blur out parts of a Disney cartoon is freakin revolutionary and I am here for it!
Welp, at least the previous version is now just unlisted so I can migrate my comment: Now that Marvel Animation is under Marvel Studios, I think reviving a previous series was an interesting way of conveying that not everything they’re going to do will have its roots in the Sacred Timeline. As much as it would’ve been cool to have a completely fresh take be the first X-Men cartoon in FIFTEEN YEARS, I think the people involved knew that these versions weren’t played with to their fullest potential. It’s like Kevin Feige watched the show in college, loved it, but embodied Maxwell Lord with a “The show is good, but it can be better” philosophy. Completely unshackled the show.
Agree - we loved this and the arcade game as older kids, and reading the episode lists it really is just the condensed version of the comics - and they now have almost 25 years to catch up on. Awesome.
I swear, I should start saving every one of Bob's original uploads the second I see it, partially so I can compare it to the second version just to see what he had to cut out, but mostly so there'll be multiple copies of the thing Disney doesn't want out there for copyright.
No, that didn't seem to be the issue this time. This one was identical to the first review. Remember that it's WB who is the dick about copyright strikes.
My roommate was more into the original series than I was (really, EVERYTHING X-Men). But I LOVE this. It straddles the line beautifully by giving the fans continuity by leaving room for new fans to come in.
I grabbed a bowl of crunch berries and tried it out. So yeah, first episode was kinda... But all the parts are there. Thanks, Bob! (I mean, I already had the cereal and it was Saturday and I was doing laundry, so... Perfect. ^-^)
I know everybody is gonna want the 90s Spider-Man cartoon to come back now because of this. Which is cool and all, even if I'm personally burned out on Spider-Man cartoon stuff unless its SpiderVerse stuff. But I would be excited for a revival of the Incredible Hulk cartoon from the same era, since apparently that character has done better serialized than film anyway. And I know I'm not the only one yearning for more Hulk stuff.
You know, making the 90's Spider-Man into 90's "Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends" would be an interesting way to continue that series with a substantial shake up.
I don't know what Beau DeMayo did wrong to get let go from XMen' 97, but it looks like we're getting 2 seasons of what he got right (so far). Fun fact: I took a class taught by the main storyboard artist for the show, who has done some real cool X-men anime style art in the past.
iirc there was some stats put out about the OG X-men cartoon viewership on Disney plus absolutely blow up and sustain it, so it's clearly doing some good for Marvel, so much so they're even floating reviving the 90s Spiderman officially. Frankly I'm all for it if they do it as well as they've done X-men '97 as well as they have so far.
Sounds good to me. I didn’t have a TV for several of the 1990s years, so I missed the first few X-Men and Spider-Man seasons. both ended a little abruptly in the wake of the Marvel bankruptcy. Would have been nice to get a little more of either.
Spider-Band: Hobie on Guitar, Gwen on Drums, Penni Parker on keyboards, Miles on bass and have them do Josie and the Pussycats/Gem style adventures with musical numbers :)
Are people really saying "Finally, Marvel without jokes"? Because the show has tons of jokes, just like the original did. Just because there's not a joke every five seconds...
Yes, but those are 'acceptable' jokes to some and don't count. Just like X-Men has always been 'woke', but they're only complaining about it now because certain characters have realistic proportions.
I'd love nothing more than for Spider-Man '94 to get a definitive conclusion and find Mary Jane. Unfortunately, Disney has comitted to Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man (formerly Freshman Year, after several delays) for the foreseeable future.
Genuinely great show I love it. Growing up on the 90s in the uk I have the 90s marvel shows and channel 5 breakfast to thank for being a comics fan in the first place.
The "professionally offended"online, be they leftists or conservatives, are a very small minority. And they generally are NOT fans or whichever franchise they get offended about, they just spew on whatever is hot at the time. They don't matter. What matter most in the short-term is visual fidelity and spectacle, and in the long term is the quality of the writing (and of the pacing, too, since they are related).
We have been rewatching the original series run before getting in to the "new season." Our kid, near 11, has been chomping at the bit nightly to watch more and has demanded we never watch without them. So I think the original can still hold up, despite its age.
AH, the Arcade game. What memories that conjures. Like Magneto saying "Welcome... to DIE!" and dropping you off a clip for the boss fight with either Wendigo or Omega Red.
Good gods, they stuck all the skipped Black Queen elements from Dark Phoenix and stuck it into Goblin Queen's animation. They let the Claremont show and got really horny animating a dominant woman.
Honestly the fact that this exists and is so good is going cast such a long shadow over whatever live action X-Men marvel tries to make that they’ve inadvertently made life so much harder for themselves. Same with deadpool 3. I think that we had enough space from Logan that we were ready to see someone else as wolverine. They’ve kind of reset the counter to zero on that.
I remember when Dragon Ball Super first started up, certain long-time fans didn't like it. I can't fully remember why, but I do remember someone even liking Dragon Ball GT more than Super. Either way, I like continuations like this; hopefully Disney does the same with Gargoyles (or Hell, even Darkwing Duck).
I was always miffed at how the original X-Men cartoon always seemed to get left out of the discussions of great 90’s cartoons because I always considered it _the best_ cartoon of the 90’s. (The Simpsons was pretty close but had too many misfires to consider it.) Intelligent writing, compelling, believable characters, relationship struggles, diabolical plots, suspense, tension, life-threatening situations, and of course plenty of heavy action featuring a dazzling array of superpowers. The best part was that it wasn’t afraid of _anything._ It directly tackled some of the most contentious political issues of the day and subjects that were previously too heavy for any cartoon. (The episode where Nightcrawler explains and defends his faith was Emmy material, it was _that_ awesome.) And that’s what truly amazes me about the new series, that all it had to do to be a big success was to be as good as its predecessor, but it’s actually _raised the bar._ Right off the bad Morph, who’s now a man without boundaries in _every_ sense of the word, is a major player, and we get a full-throated condemnation of the of the January 6 attacks. This is *heavy.* It’s like remembering She-Ra as a richer and more colorful version of He-Man, and then Princesses of Power puts a lesbian relationship front and center. Given a lot of movie and TV studios’ reputations for caving on anything even remotely contentious (I’m _still_ ticked over the complete butchering of Sailor Moon), having a show out there that absolutely will not give an inch to the right wingers or toxic fanboys is an incredible rush. I’m not into streaming, but if anything deserves a full DVD release, this does! (And She-Ra, for that matter.)
The whole "Nightcrawler talks Christianity" episode was in fact a HUGE sop to Conservatives, spear headed by A LOT of Reactionaries behind the scenes at both Marvel and Fox, you know that, right?
You do know that the whole "Nightcrawler talks about Christianity" was a sop to Conservatives Christian fans and was the brainchild of Right Wing Reactionary types at both Marvel and Fox Kids, right? That's not even getting how badly written and performed it is.
I didn't know that, but you know what? _Even better!_ That meant that the writing staff wasn't bound by politics or ideology, they only cared about making riveting stories. And think about it: they made an episode with strong right wing appeal _that I thought was fantastic._ You have any _idea_ how rare that is? When I see a pitch for something like Liberality For All or Heaven Is Real, my usual response is to nope fast enough to cause a sonic boom. And it wasn't just that; even the stuff on the opposite end was stellar. Remember the one where Jubilee is telling a story while taking a group of kids through a cave, and along the way the cave floods, but Jubilee is in such complete control of the situation that she gets them all to safety _while telling her story_ and they escape without even realizing they were ever in danger? _Fantastic_ lesson of how you don't need a healing factor or exploding cards or optic blasts to be a hero, and a great way to show that Jubilee really does belong on the team. A landmark series completely deserving of a DVD release, or at least a mobile device download.
I never watched the original X-Men cartoon because I want into comic books as a kid and probably already a bit too old when it came out. I tried watching it now but it didn't clock at all. However, X-Men 97 is surprisingly good and it's getting better with every episode. Granted, it is not an animation masterpiece like Avatar (the original one). I watched that recently for the first time and it puts the bar pretty high. Still, X-Men 97 is good entertainment, the characters are solid and there's some subtle humor in it without the overly corny lines of the original cartoon.
I'm currently rewatching the show after a decade or so, and it surprisingly hold up quite well. I see why Disney believe they already have a decent quality jump off point why not use it to adapt stuff nobody ever touched before.
For every reason Deadpool works, the new live action X-men can work. I stopped watching the last batch after days of future past, they couldnt hold me, i hope the next lot can. Maybe marvel will treat it with the same respect they treated Avengers, Winter Soldier, Civil War, IW, End Game... Then again, they probably wont.
Right wing grifters saying Disney was trying to make the show not sexy and woke and it's been the horniest shit they've ever done. Goblin Queen was smoking
The weird thing is that it doesn’t come out on a Saturday and the rating is 14/15 depending on your territory so it both isn’t Saturday morning and it isn’t for kids (despite definitely being for kids)
Yes, thank you! We need Spider Man and his Amazing Friends back. You want to talk about cake. There are entire scenes of Firestar baking in multiple episodes rather than that one puny screenshot of Rogue’s @ss 🤪😆
Odd timing. I just recently bought the whole series on YT before I heard about the revival, like within the same week. And having just recently finished I’ll say, the 90s series’ biggest flaw was probably its animation, but the camp dramatic acting and condensing the plot lines down to arc melodrama probably are their largest saving grace… I just have two major hope for the new version… same unashamed Team Rocketesque scenery chewing, and Destiny better show up in The Brotherhood this time, with all of us acknowledging what’s going on with her and Mystique.
Very, though it did keep things within certain bounds. It actually reminded me of some of the trashy sci-fi movies I used to see on old school HBO when I was around the same age.
I'm hoping this will lead to a continuation of Earth's Mightiest Heroes. I know the avengers are taking a backseat now but it would be great to introduce the world to more comic accurate take on these characters to challenge the MCU perception a bit. Looking at you Hawkeye and wasp.
I'm just glad they seem to be making a clear step into animation. DC's output isn't always great, but they do so much weird and random shit that it's interesting even when it's bad.
@MovieBob I have to disagree with you. You might want FireStar and the early Spiderman, but have you forgotten the great Black Cat / MJ love triangle. As a 10 year old in the early 90's that was my soap opera entree with a side of combat!
I believe this is the first time I've strongly disagreed with Bob. Maybe it's because I haven't picked up an X-Men comic book in a couple decades but this show felt severely underwritten. I don't have complaints about casting, animation, action, or any of the story beats. I really only feel disappointed by the quality of the dialogue. Maybe I'm being too hard on it but the characters really came through in the original with the (at times hokey and dated but still earnest) dialogue. Because of that I feel like this show felt short of its predecessor. I mean I'll still eat it up... they had Cyclops use his optic blasts to dodge. What am I gonna do? Not keep watching to see if something else cool happens? But if the writing doesn't improve soon I'm giving up after one season... two at the max. :)
I liked the new Ghostbusters thing. As someone who’s not a big fan of that franchise, I think it’s fans may be overstating how much of it is designed to service them.
My opinion is somewhere in the middle. I think it has a better story and villain than Afterlife but it has so many characters that have very little to actually do.
Like I said before the 90s show has aged really well a someone only watched for the first time a few years ago and has limited history with Xmen comics. I do feel like 97 has done a much better in incorporating diverse characters.
I was optimistic when the showrunner made the comments of if you do not like X-Men do not apply to work on it. Then as other projects by Disney sucked I was being hesitant on this. As the Showrunner made more comments of how to keep the show respectful to the source material, it felt like I had a carrot in front of me dangling on a stick strapped on my back that I was trying to reach. Now it is out and hallelujah my lord. A proper Marvel show. And then Marvel Booted out the Showrunner. He has finished up to season 2, and I have 0 expectations of Season 3. Unless someone like the first showrunner comes in. Then again this is Disney so I wont hold my breath.
@@louisduarte8763 kinda, HEAVY use of thick lines. Jim Lee's work is more influence of George Perez Teen Titans and Wonder Woman work. And there's a heavy influence of Barry Winsor Smith, whom was atually a revolution when you see the coloring of Weapon X run. Going back to those comics.... Jim Lee could barely keep up with 3 issues. And even then there were a lot more interesting artists in there. The one that stood out was jason Pearson who passed away recently. In an issue where everyone did 3 pages, he had a nice fight scene with Wolverine vs Gambit as Jubilee cheered on. It's an interesting era, like even now, I don't think Jim Lee captured the insanity of Genoshia stuff. Like the original design of the President is Ronald Reagan in drag.... Jim Lee makes her look like a normal older woman, but his mechs look good. Or Cameron Hodge pretending to be human with his human standie body when Archangel cut off his head and his body is attached to an insane robot design.
@@crithon As I've said elsewhere, the animation can be better described as "2 And A Half D", similar to how classic FPS games of the 90s like Doom and Duke Nukem were animated.
I really loved Episodes 1 and 2, but I just... couldn't stand Episode 3. It felt like the worst example of half-hour storytelling, precisely because of how massively condensed everything was. I get that's part of the appeal, but, here's the thing: I don't know the Inferno arc from the comics. I don't know those plot beats, or how the characters related to it all. I can absolutely buy that it was a much, much bigger mess in the comics, this feels like the sort of story that would get sidetracked and overwhelmed by executive mandates and crap. So, while those familiar with the comics got a refreshing "just the good stuff" version of the story, all I got was a story where none of the emotions of the scenes have time to build, none of the concepts have time to be explored, there's no time for tension or suspense or build-up or anything, because so much fat's been cut from the story that there's nothing to hold any of the flavor. There's so much story in Episode 3 that it could easily have been split over two episodes (or three even) and not dragged at all anyway, just had time to actually explore things. Entirely valid if this is just a "not for me" thing, wouldn't be the first piece of media, but I think its worth noting how pretty impenetrable Episode 3 might be to those that aren't familiar with these stories. Because while Episodes 1 and 2 were still fast paced, they weren't devoid to time to linger, to explore, to let the characters actually have time to develop. If you know the story well, you don't need those moments where the characters are going through all that shit, because you know the start and end points and all the points on their character arc, but if you don't... if feels like, for example, like Clone-Jean goes from good to evil and back to good again at the flip of a switch.
I have to admit, I didn't actually care much for the '90s _X-Men._ I was a 14 year old comic book geek when it started so I absolutely watched the 1st season, but I lost soon interest in it at about the same time as I lost interest in the actual comics after Chris Claremont stopped writing and they ran over a cliff. And I just couldn't take the animation of the '90s show. But this show? This show is _rad,_ and the animation is _great_ while still feeling like the old show. And yes, do a continuation of _Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends!_ That was what I watched when I was an actual little kid. Let's see more _Swaaaarm._
your comment comparing it to the ghostbusters movie made me wonder.. why are cartoons so well written compared to movies? Look at the suicide squad animated films versus the first film, or hell, just compare any attempt the movies have done at doing a dc justice league compared to any episode of the justice league cartoons and animated movies. why do the movies keep sucking while the cartoons consistantly knock it out of the park?
My theory: the big wigs cared less about the animation so as to let writers do what they wanted within the limits of the budget. As Roger Corman pointed at turn of the century, if you're spending hundreds of millions of dollars on a film, you're going to be very conservative on what you put out.
Sorry 90's Kids... It's not working for me so far. I am getting nothing out of the premise of "Just like 90's show just with modern animation" because... Lovingly recreating mediocrity doesn't raise quality in and of itself. And attempting to do anything with real depth and resonance but running it on 90's cartoon software will never not be a bad fit. "As long as they look like their action figure" is the oroblem with the fans and Marvel/Disney here.
I never said I wasn’t going to watch because they made morph non-binary, I merely said I was disappointed in the decision to change a character so drastically. And yes, I’ll even admit for all of my concern It’s so far doesn’t seem to be playing a big part in the narrative. Almost as if Disney said it, but it’s not actually that prominent, so maybe they just said it to score points with people.
If you're explaining, you're losing. So if you enjoy it, now would be an excellent time to be quiet before you embarrass yourself further. And really...making a shapeshifter like Morph non-binary makes ALL kinds of sense.
@@johnathonhaney8291 I love how you people are so up your own butt you try to shame people for having a nuanced view of something, even when that someone said their initial misgivings turned out to be false. You can’t accept that someone changed their opinion, they had a bad opinion to begin with, therefore they’re terrible people. I’m not embarrassed because of my opinion, and my moving past it. People like you embarrass me, you make me sad for being a human. And no it doesn’t. “make all kinds of sense” it makes a singular narrative sense in a vacuum. The character was never established. As non-binary, the character was even referred to as a man on multiple occasions. You need to get down from your high horse, the altitude is depriving your brain of oxygen.
I really liked it and I wasn't a fan of the original series. The pacing is great, the dialogue captures that late-90s cheese, and the voice acting is... well, it's perfect for the show it's in.
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The only bad thing is that it doesn't release on Saturday mornings.
If they manage to work in 90's Spider-man voiced by Christopher Daniel Barnes I will be over the moon.
"He's named Morph and he morphs!"
Your delivery there really got me!
X-Men '97 is honestly more high effort than I was expecting. It's not just good, it's fuckin' quality. I find myself champing at the bit after each episode for the next one.
I'm really enjoying the little details to remind you it's still set in the 90s. When the kid they rescued says to Jubilee "I've got a pager, page me," I about died. PAGERS!
The crossover between 90s Spider man and the 90s x men was my fucking childhood dream. If they bring back 90s Spiderman as well I'm over the moon.
Xmen TAS dosent really hold up, but by god does it contain some good emotional beats and some grandiose speeches about tolerance. Im so glad the makers of 97' understood the asignment perfectly.
I know Xmen TAS doesn't hold up just as most of the shows I watched as a child don't hold up, but this show FEELS like how I remember feeling as a kid watching the original.
Honestly besides some dated fashion, tech, and some dated references I thought the show held up pretty well. Like your not hit in the head that this thing was made in the 90s all that much in the original show. I caught up on it at the end of last year to be ready for the new show and I enjoyed the heck out of the rewatch.
I mean, it has aged in some aspects, mostly the action an ocassional dialogue. But overall, is the best adaptation of the classic Claremont era comics. It hold up as much as they have, which is to say, well enough with some bumps.
I won't lie X-men the animated series got me into X-men, Jubilee and reading Generation X and X-force in the late 90's. Made me an X-character fan. Suffice to say I hated the Quesada and Alonzo EIC era's.
The cartoons really are the gateway. I got into X-men because of the A Fire Star is born episode on Spider-Man and his amazing friends
I've had the X-Men on the mind since the first two episodes dropped. I'm an accountant, and we must work Saturdays because it's tax time. It was my job to receive the lunch delivery last week, so I announced it was here by shouting: "To me, my X-Men!" Nobody got the reference.
You know this show’s theme song is iconic when Doctor Strange and Ms. Marvel both utilize it to introduce Mutant characters.
i mean, it was created by Ron Wasserman; his theme music basically defined the 90s.
Oh man, that Murderface, "I KNOW WHO YOU AAARE!!!" bit was perfectly timed. Just...dead, you killed me
I rewatched the original series right before '97 and I had forgotten how ropey some of the animation was. Overall, the stories were great but it was definitely a product of its time. I also agree you could not tell these stories in live action in this manner. There are scenes that would come across as soap opera-esque and just take people out of the story.
It would be fun to see a version of the Savage Land in live action, though.
Funny, that animated series came out the same year as Batman's, but the latter's animation quality holds up better.
@@louisduarte8763 the were (largely) made by different animation houses, one with a lot more experience than the other.
@@louisduarte8763Batman was one of a small handful of shows that use the “Dark Deco” art style of light colors on Black Paper. It really makes it pop.
I was iffy on the first two episodes, they had their moments but I wasn't sure. But the third episode was great. Doing the Inferno storyline in 25 minutes, that's masterful.
As I said in the previous upload, that's the essence of good writing, taking out the vital organs of the story and junking everything else. I'd describe it as a reverse Frankenstein.
My son (12) started watching it with me, and my daughter (8) seems interested. I think it might actually work for kids, if they give it a shot.
My comment from the first video: The 1997 animated X-Men show was a big part of my childhood. I hope that this continuation will be a big part of the childhood of others.
I hope you come back around and review the season once it’s over. I don’t know if I’d call this show “comfort food” after episode 5.
Honestly wanted Fire Made Flesh to be a two parter but I will take what I can get.
But seriously, Rogue's ass was so infamous it became a creepy meme. I'm happy they toned it down then went overkill on Episode 3 with its weird Rogue/Mags body horror. BTW, the TV thing getting brained, did NOT expect that! The fact that reviewers have to blur out parts of a Disney cartoon is freakin revolutionary and I am here for it!
Been watching you since high school, keep up the good work
Welp, at least the previous version is now just unlisted so I can migrate my comment:
Now that Marvel Animation is under Marvel Studios, I think reviving a previous series was an interesting way of conveying that not everything they’re going to do will have its roots in the Sacred Timeline. As much as it would’ve been cool to have a completely fresh take be the first X-Men cartoon in FIFTEEN YEARS, I think the people involved knew that these versions weren’t played with to their fullest potential. It’s like Kevin Feige watched the show in college, loved it, but embodied Maxwell Lord with a “The show is good, but it can be better” philosophy. Completely unshackled the show.
Agree - we loved this and the arcade game as older kids, and reading the episode lists it really is just the condensed version of the comics - and they now have almost 25 years to catch up on. Awesome.
I swear, I should start saving every one of Bob's original uploads the second I see it, partially so I can compare it to the second version just to see what he had to cut out, but mostly so there'll be multiple copies of the thing Disney doesn't want out there for copyright.
No, that didn't seem to be the issue this time. This one was identical to the first review. Remember that it's WB who is the dick about copyright strikes.
My roommate was more into the original series than I was (really, EVERYTHING X-Men). But I LOVE this. It straddles the line beautifully by giving the fans continuity by leaving room for new fans to come in.
I grabbed a bowl of crunch berries and tried it out. So yeah, first episode was kinda... But all the parts are there. Thanks, Bob!
(I mean, I already had the cereal and it was Saturday and I was doing laundry, so... Perfect. ^-^)
I know everybody is gonna want the 90s Spider-Man cartoon to come back now because of this. Which is cool and all, even if I'm personally burned out on Spider-Man cartoon stuff unless its SpiderVerse stuff. But I would be excited for a revival of the Incredible Hulk cartoon from the same era, since apparently that character has done better serialized than film anyway. And I know I'm not the only one yearning for more Hulk stuff.
You know, making the 90's Spider-Man into 90's "Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends" would be an interesting way to continue that series with a substantial shake up.
Great to see your reviews back.
I grew up on the old series and the comics! I love this so far!
0:35 please Bob never change 🤣😂🥰
Spiderman 97 next please. Magnetos dialogue in episode 2 was so 🔥
"Don't make me let you down"...what DOES one say to that?
Reboot 90s Spider-Man, have him punch someone, and have him say, "Why does it feel like I've never done that before?"
What's that? Bob has to do a re-upload? Guess I have no choice but to watch it a second time!
Weird thing about that...just rewatched the delisted video and it's IDENTICAL to this one. Not sure what happened...
I don't know what Beau DeMayo did wrong to get let go from XMen' 97, but it looks like we're getting 2 seasons of what he got right (so far). Fun fact: I took a class taught by the main storyboard artist for the show, who has done some real cool X-men anime style art in the past.
iirc there was some stats put out about the OG X-men cartoon viewership on Disney plus absolutely blow up and sustain it, so it's clearly doing some good for Marvel, so much so they're even floating reviving the 90s Spiderman officially. Frankly I'm all for it if they do it as well as they've done X-men '97 as well as they have so far.
Sounds good to me. I didn’t have a TV for several of the 1990s years, so I missed the first few X-Men and Spider-Man seasons. both ended a little abruptly in the wake of the Marvel bankruptcy. Would have been nice to get a little more of either.
Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends, but Hobbie Brown is the Spider-Man.
Spider-Band: Hobie on Guitar, Gwen on Drums, Penni Parker on keyboards, Miles on bass and have them do Josie and the Pussycats/Gem style adventures with musical numbers :)
@@oracledantex okay, but that’s spoilers for the next movie.
Are people really saying "Finally, Marvel without jokes"? Because the show has tons of jokes, just like the original did. Just because there's not a joke every five seconds...
Yes, but those are 'acceptable' jokes to some and don't count. Just like X-Men has always been 'woke', but they're only complaining about it now because certain characters have realistic proportions.
C'mon, you're expecting a pack of grifters auditioning for the alleged big leagues of right wing politics and their aging followers to be TRUTHFUL?
I'd love nothing more than for Spider-Man '94 to get a definitive conclusion and find Mary Jane. Unfortunately, Disney has comitted to Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man (formerly Freshman Year, after several delays) for the foreseeable future.
Who says they can’t do both?
Genuinely great show I love it. Growing up on the 90s in the uk I have the 90s marvel shows and channel 5 breakfast to thank for being a comics fan in the first place.
The "professionally offended"online, be they leftists or conservatives, are a very small minority. And they generally are NOT fans or whichever franchise they get offended about, they just spew on whatever is hot at the time. They don't matter.
What matter most in the short-term is visual fidelity and spectacle, and in the long term is the quality of the writing (and of the pacing, too, since they are related).
We have been rewatching the original series run before getting in to the "new season." Our kid, near 11, has been chomping at the bit nightly to watch more and has demanded we never watch without them. So I think the original can still hold up, despite its age.
I haven't watched the 90's xmen and I have been loving 97
Did the Spider-Man show end with Peter walking into a portal with Madam Web?
And Madam Web was voiced by Stan Lee's wife (whose first name I'm blanking on right now).
@@AndrewMcColl Joan...her name was Joan.
@@johnathonhaney8291 thank you, and Stan would call her Joanie.
I like how your pixelated clips kind of looked like stuff from the arcade game.
AH, the Arcade game. What memories that conjures. Like Magneto saying "Welcome... to DIE!" and dropping you off a clip for the boss fight with either Wendigo or Omega Red.
Good gods, they stuck all the skipped Black Queen elements from Dark Phoenix and stuck it into Goblin Queen's animation. They let the Claremont show and got really horny animating a dominant woman.
Bit of an improvement over the original Goblin Queen look, yes?
I want the ten inch magneto toy that I never got as a kid.
Honestly the fact that this exists and is so good is going cast such a long shadow over whatever live action X-Men marvel tries to make that they’ve inadvertently made life so much harder for themselves. Same with deadpool 3. I think that we had enough space from Logan that we were ready to see someone else as wolverine. They’ve kind of reset the counter to zero on that.
I remember when Dragon Ball Super first started up, certain long-time fans didn't like it. I can't fully remember why, but I do remember someone even liking Dragon Ball GT more than Super. Either way, I like continuations like this; hopefully Disney does the same with Gargoyles (or Hell, even Darkwing Duck).
Darkwing already got a continuation, of sorts, in the new Ducktales series.
Super and GT was both bad, GT is just even more trash
@@AndrewMcColl That Darkwing, like the new DuckTales series, is a reboot, not a continuation.
@@Rubberman202 for for many series they're easier to pull of than continuations.
I was always miffed at how the original X-Men cartoon always seemed to get left out of the discussions of great 90’s cartoons because I always considered it _the best_ cartoon of the 90’s. (The Simpsons was pretty close but had too many misfires to consider it.) Intelligent writing, compelling, believable characters, relationship struggles, diabolical plots, suspense, tension, life-threatening situations, and of course plenty of heavy action featuring a dazzling array of superpowers. The best part was that it wasn’t afraid of _anything._ It directly tackled some of the most contentious political issues of the day and subjects that were previously too heavy for any cartoon. (The episode where Nightcrawler explains and defends his faith was Emmy material, it was _that_ awesome.)
And that’s what truly amazes me about the new series, that all it had to do to be a big success was to be as good as its predecessor, but it’s actually _raised the bar._ Right off the bad Morph, who’s now a man without boundaries in _every_ sense of the word, is a major player, and we get a full-throated condemnation of the of the January 6 attacks. This is *heavy.* It’s like remembering She-Ra as a richer and more colorful version of He-Man, and then Princesses of Power puts a lesbian relationship front and center. Given a lot of movie and TV studios’ reputations for caving on anything even remotely contentious (I’m _still_ ticked over the complete butchering of Sailor Moon), having a show out there that absolutely will not give an inch to the right wingers or toxic fanboys is an incredible rush.
I’m not into streaming, but if anything deserves a full DVD release, this does! (And She-Ra, for that matter.)
The whole "Nightcrawler talks Christianity" episode was in fact a HUGE sop to Conservatives, spear headed by A LOT of Reactionaries behind the scenes at both Marvel and Fox, you know that, right?
You do know that the whole "Nightcrawler talks about Christianity" was a sop to Conservatives Christian fans and was the brainchild of Right Wing Reactionary types at both Marvel and Fox Kids, right?
That's not even getting how badly written and performed it is.
I didn't know that, but you know what? _Even better!_ That meant that the writing staff wasn't bound by politics or ideology, they only cared about making riveting stories. And think about it: they made an episode with strong right wing appeal _that I thought was fantastic._ You have any _idea_ how rare that is? When I see a pitch for something like Liberality For All or Heaven Is Real, my usual response is to nope fast enough to cause a sonic boom.
And it wasn't just that; even the stuff on the opposite end was stellar. Remember the one where Jubilee is telling a story while taking a group of kids through a cave, and along the way the cave floods, but Jubilee is in such complete control of the situation that she gets them all to safety _while telling her story_ and they escape without even realizing they were ever in danger? _Fantastic_ lesson of how you don't need a healing factor or exploding cards or optic blasts to be a hero, and a great way to show that Jubilee really does belong on the team.
A landmark series completely deserving of a DVD release, or at least a mobile device download.
I never watched the original X-Men cartoon because I want into comic books as a kid and probably already a bit too old when it came out. I tried watching it now but it didn't clock at all. However, X-Men 97 is surprisingly good and it's getting better with every episode. Granted, it is not an animation masterpiece like Avatar (the original one). I watched that recently for the first time and it puts the bar pretty high. Still, X-Men 97 is good entertainment, the characters are solid and there's some subtle humor in it without the overly corny lines of the original cartoon.
Make more Spectacular Spiderman!
I always thought Wolverine and the X-Men should have had more than 1 season.
Please make more 90s Spider-Man episodes
My comment from the 1st video: Nice well definitely watch this, when i have watched the old carton through :)
Please do a Big Picture episode on X-Men 97.
Like a recap of the episodes, and where you thing the season is going to
please do an update to X-Men 97
I'm currently rewatching the show after a decade or so, and it surprisingly hold up quite well. I see why Disney believe they already have a decent quality jump off point why not use it to adapt stuff nobody ever touched before.
For every reason Deadpool works, the new live action X-men can work. I stopped watching the last batch after days of future past, they couldnt hold me, i hope the next lot can. Maybe marvel will treat it with the same respect they treated Avengers, Winter Soldier, Civil War, IW, End Game...
Then again, they probably wont.
Right wing grifters saying Disney was trying to make the show not sexy and woke and it's been the horniest shit they've ever done. Goblin Queen was smoking
Further proof, as if any were needed, that the grifters are lying idiots.
As a Father of young children I would love to see a review of Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends.
I really hope this kicks off more animated revivals. I want that spiderman!
The weird thing is that it doesn’t come out on a Saturday and the rating is 14/15 depending on your territory so it both isn’t Saturday morning and it isn’t for kids (despite definitely being for kids)
Yes, thank you! We need Spider Man and his Amazing Friends back. You want to talk about cake. There are entire scenes of Firestar baking in multiple episodes rather than that one puny screenshot of Rogue’s @ss 🤪😆
Odd timing. I just recently bought the whole series on YT before I heard about the revival, like within the same week.
And having just recently finished I’ll say, the 90s series’ biggest flaw was probably its animation, but the camp dramatic acting and condensing the plot lines down to arc melodrama probably are their largest saving grace… I just have two major hope for the new version… same unashamed Team Rocketesque scenery chewing, and Destiny better show up in The Brotherhood this time, with all of us acknowledging what’s going on with her and Mystique.
My kids are loving it. But episode three was a little intense for a 5 year old
Very, though it did keep things within certain bounds. It actually reminded me of some of the trashy sci-fi movies I used to see on old school HBO when I was around the same age.
The X-Men are BACK!!
Alright Disney, I can do this all day.
I'm hoping this will lead to a continuation of Earth's Mightiest Heroes.
I know the avengers are taking a backseat now but it would be great to introduce the world to more comic accurate take on these characters to challenge the MCU perception a bit.
Looking at you Hawkeye and wasp.
The inferno comic was great. I loved it
I am interested to hear how your take has changed after episode 5.
Love you Bob!
I'm just glad they seem to be making a clear step into animation. DC's output isn't always great, but they do so much weird and random shit that it's interesting even when it's bad.
@MovieBob
I have to disagree with you. You might want FireStar and the early Spiderman, but have you forgotten the great Black Cat / MJ love triangle. As a 10 year old in the early 90's that was my soap opera entree with a side of combat!
Why was this re-uploaded? 🤷
Probably copyright, usually is
@@einootspork If so, it's not like what it usually is with, say, WB. Pretty much this is identical to the first review.
But when do we get the XMen Evolution revival!?
I love it. A lot of random uncanny xmen #100-300.
I hope they bring back Spectacular Spider-Man!
I would love more of your thoughts one these as they came out. This is w i l d
If they really wanted to stick the landing on this it would be available for everyone to watch on TV after school.
I believe this is the first time I've strongly disagreed with Bob. Maybe it's because I haven't picked up an X-Men comic book in a couple decades but this show felt severely underwritten. I don't have complaints about casting, animation, action, or any of the story beats. I really only feel disappointed by the quality of the dialogue. Maybe I'm being too hard on it but the characters really came through in the original with the (at times hokey and dated but still earnest) dialogue. Because of that I feel like this show felt short of its predecessor.
I mean I'll still eat it up... they had Cyclops use his optic blasts to dodge. What am I gonna do? Not keep watching to see if something else cool happens?
But if the writing doesn't improve soon I'm giving up after one season... two at the max. :)
I liked the new Ghostbusters thing. As someone who’s not a big fan of that franchise, I think it’s fans may be overstating how much of it is designed to service them.
That one's a hard pass for me. Hope you get all you want out of it, though!
My opinion is somewhere in the middle. I think it has a better story and villain than Afterlife but it has so many characters that have very little to actually do.
Like I said before the 90s show has aged really well a someone only watched for the first time a few years ago and has limited history with Xmen comics. I do feel like 97 has done a much better in incorporating diverse characters.
I was optimistic when the showrunner made the comments of if you do not like X-Men do not apply to work on it. Then as other projects by Disney sucked I was being hesitant on this. As the Showrunner made more comments of how to keep the show respectful to the source material, it felt like I had a carrot in front of me dangling on a stick strapped on my back that I was trying to reach. Now it is out and hallelujah my lord. A proper Marvel show. And then Marvel Booted out the Showrunner. He has finished up to season 2, and I have 0 expectations of Season 3. Unless someone like the first showrunner comes in. Then again this is Disney so I wont hold my breath.
Wait, what? Where'd the first one go again?
Unlisted
I thought I lost my mind for a second...like I thought I watched this? oooooh re-upload
@@titheproven954 Not unusual for one of Mr. Chipman's review videos, sadly.
@@johnathonhaney8291 That sucks for him. I normally don't get to sit and watch vids tell Sunday so I have never noticed :(
You had to censor the original opening?!
No, it's pretty much the same, right down to the music cutoff time.
Watched a bit of it, not my cup of tea, but I'm glad it exists.
90s Spiderman continuation.
NOW
Good god that whole Inferno thing killed my interest in X Men, then the Clone Saga.... Dark times indeed.
well, on the bright side, it's 3D animation, not whatever you called it
Yeah, if anything, it looks BETTER than the original. Which, looking back, tried to hard to copy Jim Lee's art style.
It's not 3D animation what are you talking about? Only in a few scenes.
@@louisduarte8763 kinda, HEAVY use of thick lines. Jim Lee's work is more influence of George Perez Teen Titans and Wonder Woman work. And there's a heavy influence of Barry Winsor Smith, whom was atually a revolution when you see the coloring of Weapon X run.
Going back to those comics.... Jim Lee could barely keep up with 3 issues. And even then there were a lot more interesting artists in there. The one that stood out was jason Pearson who passed away recently. In an issue where everyone did 3 pages, he had a nice fight scene with Wolverine vs Gambit as Jubilee cheered on.
It's an interesting era, like even now, I don't think Jim Lee captured the insanity of Genoshia stuff. Like the original design of the President is Ronald Reagan in drag.... Jim Lee makes her look like a normal older woman, but his mechs look good. Or Cameron Hodge pretending to be human with his human standie body when Archangel cut off his head and his body is attached to an insane robot design.
@@tvsonicserbia5140 nope, it's 3d. The technique is called animating in 2s.
@@crithon As I've said elsewhere, the animation can be better described as "2 And A Half D", similar to how classic FPS games of the 90s like Doom and Duke Nukem were animated.
Ok, I know it's DC, but '90s Batman too, kplsthx.
If this is a continuation, then Morph is dead.
I really loved Episodes 1 and 2, but I just... couldn't stand Episode 3. It felt like the worst example of half-hour storytelling, precisely because of how massively condensed everything was.
I get that's part of the appeal, but, here's the thing: I don't know the Inferno arc from the comics. I don't know those plot beats, or how the characters related to it all. I can absolutely buy that it was a much, much bigger mess in the comics, this feels like the sort of story that would get sidetracked and overwhelmed by executive mandates and crap.
So, while those familiar with the comics got a refreshing "just the good stuff" version of the story, all I got was a story where none of the emotions of the scenes have time to build, none of the concepts have time to be explored, there's no time for tension or suspense or build-up or anything, because so much fat's been cut from the story that there's nothing to hold any of the flavor. There's so much story in Episode 3 that it could easily have been split over two episodes (or three even) and not dragged at all anyway, just had time to actually explore things.
Entirely valid if this is just a "not for me" thing, wouldn't be the first piece of media, but I think its worth noting how pretty impenetrable Episode 3 might be to those that aren't familiar with these stories. Because while Episodes 1 and 2 were still fast paced, they weren't devoid to time to linger, to explore, to let the characters actually have time to develop. If you know the story well, you don't need those moments where the characters are going through all that shit, because you know the start and end points and all the points on their character arc, but if you don't... if feels like, for example, like Clone-Jean goes from good to evil and back to good again at the flip of a switch.
I have to admit, I didn't actually care much for the '90s _X-Men._ I was a 14 year old comic book geek when it started so I absolutely watched the 1st season, but I lost soon interest in it at about the same time as I lost interest in the actual comics after Chris Claremont stopped writing and they ran over a cliff. And I just couldn't take the animation of the '90s show. But this show? This show is _rad,_ and the animation is _great_ while still feeling like the old show.
And yes, do a continuation of _Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends!_ That was what I watched when I was an actual little kid. Let's see more _Swaaaarm._
To be fair I've not watched it. But I also don't have the funds for Disney+
your comment comparing it to the ghostbusters movie made me wonder.. why are cartoons so well written compared to movies? Look at the suicide squad animated films versus the first film, or hell, just compare any attempt the movies have done at doing a dc justice league compared to any episode of the justice league cartoons and animated movies. why do the movies keep sucking while the cartoons consistantly knock it out of the park?
My theory: the big wigs cared less about the animation so as to let writers do what they wanted within the limits of the budget. As Roger Corman pointed at turn of the century, if you're spending hundreds of millions of dollars on a film, you're going to be very conservative on what you put out.
Sorry 90's Kids... It's not working for me so far.
I am getting nothing out of the premise of "Just like 90's show just with modern animation" because...
Lovingly recreating mediocrity doesn't raise quality in and of itself. And attempting to do anything with real depth and resonance but running it on 90's cartoon software will never not be a bad fit.
"As long as they look like their action figure" is the oroblem with the fans and Marvel/Disney here.
I never said I wasn’t going to watch because they made morph non-binary, I merely said I was disappointed in the decision to change a character so drastically. And yes, I’ll even admit for all of my concern It’s so far doesn’t seem to be playing a big part in the narrative. Almost as if Disney said it, but it’s not actually that prominent, so maybe they just said it to score points with people.
If you're explaining, you're losing. So if you enjoy it, now would be an excellent time to be quiet before you embarrass yourself further.
And really...making a shapeshifter like Morph non-binary makes ALL kinds of sense.
@@johnathonhaney8291 I love how you people are so up your own butt you try to shame people for having a nuanced view of something, even when that someone said their initial misgivings turned out to be false. You can’t accept that someone changed their opinion, they had a bad opinion to begin with, therefore they’re terrible people. I’m not embarrassed because of my opinion, and my moving past it. People like you embarrass me, you make me sad for being a human.
And no it doesn’t. “make all kinds of sense” it makes a singular narrative sense in a vacuum. The character was never established. As non-binary, the character was even referred to as a man on multiple occasions. You need to get down from your high horse, the altitude is depriving your brain of oxygen.
What about getting more of that gloriously god awful Iron Man, which was really West Coast avengers and fantastic four cartoons
1:48 - 3:31 😮😮
I really liked it and I wasn't a fan of the original series. The pacing is great, the dialogue captures that late-90s cheese, and the voice acting is... well, it's perfect for the show it's in.
4 the algorithm
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