Stefan & The Chieftain #3 | Bv 208, APC, Pansarbandvagn 302 | Arsenalen, Swedish Tankmuseum
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2020
- Nicolas Moran and Stefan talks about Bv 208, APC, Pansarbandvagn 302.
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Speak softly but have a MBT rumbling in the distance.
The problem is that I have no belief that the UN forces would ever shoot.
@@RonJohn63 Sometimes they shood.
@@uzivatel56 watch the situations in Africa-there they will shooting a lot ...
@@RonJohn63 From what I've read, just the action of chambering the next round in a vehicle mounted heavy machine gun tended to make the "paramilitary" units think twice.
@@RonJohn63 That was a problem they had in Croatia, then the Canadians decided that they were no longer going to follow past IN personnel examples of retreating when fired upon anymore and would defend themselves viciously if seriously threatened.
If that's the one that was in Macedonia, I used it in 1998.
Hopefully not involving any car crashes :)
Man, that was a clusterfuck.
My father, who were in Bosnia (BA03 if I recall), said that the 20 mm akan on the Pbv 302 didn't so much attract attention as to make the opposition keep their heads down^^
@sada das It would be hard to do that, since Nordbat was stationed in Tuzla and my father passed away in 2015.
@sada das If the UN hadn't been there we wouldn't know about events like this and no one would be punished for them: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stupni_Do_massacre
I can share personal accounts by members of Nordbat, but only in swedish I'm afraid.
morgonsur.wordpress.com/stupni_do/
militarhistoria.se/1900-tal/ulf-henricsson-och-ba01-i-bosnien
There have afterwards been alot in the danish medias about that hill fight. The guy who was in charge and sat in one of the tanks, lieutenant colonel Lars.R.Møller, is a very charismatic personality, like a real world crossover of Dirty Harry and John McClane from the Die Hard movies. "We didn't have more ammo" that's his style. 😄
Very interesting to hear about international operations from a Swedish perspective.
I have heard that a Pbv-302 was hit by RPG-7 in Bosnia, but since is has such big boxes on the outside they acted as standoff armor so that the effect of the RPG was greatly reduced inside the cabin.
I like the way Arsenalen leaves the vehicles dirty when they are on display. In some ways it's the same as a modeler weathering his vehicle models. It provides a sense of what they look like when they are actually used, which is lacking on pristine museum pieces.
IIRC some of them are ready to roll if needed.
@@ABrit-bt6ce The Strv 122 on display at Arsenalen is ready to roll, it is the closest tank to Stockholm...
I think some of them, they take and drive every now and then
This UN white is by far my most favorite camo schema. And Leopard 1A5DK looks sooo good in it.
Always so interesting and Mr. Karlsson has a special way to explain and to present the topics and backgrounds.
I hope I can visit this museum in Sweden one day. Thank you for sharing !
I have been there twice, gonna go again this Sunday, honestly a really fun experience especially with such a variety of vehicles.
The way the Chieftain is grilling this guy you'd expect he worked for Hagglunds.
I've seen the Bandvagn and the Sisu Nasu in use in Northern Finland and Sweden, they seem really cool and useful for the deep snow.
Bv is great fun to drive!
Good move.. to invite a famous youtuber to your channel. Interesting story. More then we use to know.
Plse bring up an episode showing the CV 90.
Excellent work and outreach. You're giving Chief a run for his money.
The two operations the Danes where invoved in where operation Amanda and operation hooligan bashing in 1994 and was the first combat for the Leopard 1.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Amanda
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_B%C3%B8llebank
Those are some very interesting articles, especially the latter. Thank you.
As a peaceful Dane, we sometimes know how to explain things for people, who have a little difficulty in understanding a clear message ;-)
@sada das The situation in former Yugoslavia was caused by its own insane inhabitants, and Denmark tried to put a stop to the fighting with overwelming power, not to be wiped away by local forces, armed better than we! But we where still a small force present and couldn't be everywhere at all times! The Yugoslavians had to do much of the work themselves to make the changes for a new country, now in several parts.
Another great video - really enjoying the content on this channel! 👍
Drove exactly that one in Macedonia in 1994, it was waiting for spareparts, fanbelt, from Sweden, so it was stored in Kumanovo on the camp.
If I am not mistaken, in Mogadiscio also the Italian troops deployed some M-60s lent by the USMC and refurbished. They were not authorized to engage the enemy with the 105mm gun but they did anyway during the battle at check point pasta after being targeted by RPGs.
Stefan Thank you for the Information . I enjoyed this Video .
Please record more videos with The Chieftain! I really enjoyed this one!
A great chat!
Lovely!
It is very interesting perspective by the Swede on the Danes in former Yugoslavia. The Danes claim the hill kept shooting at them and tried to kill them, but I guess you have to say that, when you spend so much ammunition.
It was a position that was shelling a town garrison, and the Danish commander then rolled up between the fire to protect them. But as the enemy keep firing he ordered the hill to pacified and they fired all the shells they had to make them understand that when the Danes rolled up, you really needed to stop shooting at them. The commander was also the one asked why they used so many shells by the politicians at home, and he said "Well we din't have anymore". He is still active as far as I know, think he is the leader of the soldiers union or something.
He is really old school, and really the one you want in a fight.
Leoparderna i Tuzla:
ua-cam.com/video/WyreKwkEwJA/v-deo.html
Karlsson simply said he can't recall the exact circumstances around the hill getting blasted.
The UN troops were tasked to keep the civilians safe, and had the Danes and Swedes been at Srebrenica, there wouldn't been a massacre.
I wish the Chieftain did one his signature show and tells; this video was long and I didn't see the insides or either of these...
"Talk softly, but carry a big stick."
As a Ferret owner, please tell me that you looked over the UN Ferret and have a video about that.
love the series, but it seems the audio for this one is flipped left/right.
11:22 Not sure if you refer to some other event, but Italy brought M60 to Mogadishu
The Pakistani tanks that he mentions were M48's.
omg. this is why we need to replicate and mass produce the maus. so the un can calm situations down easier lol.
PBV 302... Probably Broken Vehicle... God I miss riding around in them. Don't know how many hours I've spent in them both Bosnia and during military service back home.
Viking BvS10 and the Bronco are similar or derivatives of these, thing about snow is its soft and squishy, thing about mud, sand etc :)
Have a google of the snow on Mount Hermon in UNDOF AO and Irish vehicles on the “roads” of Liberia
"This vehicle was clearly designed for snow yet the UN usually sends them to hot places." Sounds like the UN alright.
The UN doesn't send vehicles anywhere. The UN asks countries to contribute forces and it's up to them what they send.
There's a fair amount of snow on Mount Hermon.
In Timor, the wheeled Auslav was generally swapped for M113 as patrolling revealed excessive ground pressure tore the primitive road network to pieces. Sounds counter intuitive, but there you go.
Depending on your opposition . As far as Timor Leste is concerned it's mostly irregular action . The main concern is the Indonesian armed forces involvement . However any massive staging by them will be pick up by the intelligence of the task force before they could cross over . Amphibious assault from them will be out of the question given the amount of international navies in Timor waters then . The most realistic threats from Indonesia then is it's special forces infiltration. Heavy armour may not be necessary .
Wheeled vehicles cause a lot more "wear and tear": at comparable ground pressure the wheeled vehicle cuts deeper and bounces more than the tracked one. At the same weight, the tracked vehicle usually has less ground pressure. However, when making sharp turns a heavy tracked vehicle does a lot more damage (I've seen them tear up cobblestones).
I believe it was the Pakistani tanks that helped in the battle of Mogadishu (aka the Black Hawk Down incident).
Did they even went in? I read the tanks stop halfway and didn't went in, they left a whole convoy of condor 2 from Malaysia alone into that shithole
left and right audio channel are inverted
(Make a show about operation bully bank)Danmark(Lav et show omkring operation bøllebank )
ua-cam.com/video/mzPs5BxzvK4/v-deo.html
Why are the audio channels flipped?
I had to flip my headphones :D
Sorry for that, I will check and fix for the next video.
I thought my earbuds were messing up
That really does look like a Frog that Acav tode thing lol
I’m a blonde blue-eyed swede.
The first time I went on a peacekeeping mission my brain was totally fu**ed in the heat. I had constant brainfart for the first two weeks. It was really hard.
My left ear feel lonely
BTW - left/right audio channels are swapped...
Listen on blue tooth in my vehicle and the sound is perfect.
Sorry for the audio, I will check that better for the next films.
Peace trough superior firepower.
50 or 60 Degrees Fahrenheit is great weather for Texans anything below that no we have something called humidity so 40 degrees is fucken cold 40 degrees feeling like 30 or lower and when it 100 degrees here It feel like 105 or hotter we are used to it but we are used to the heat not the cold
The audio is a bit strange, Stefan in one ear and Nicolas in the other.
Sorry about the voice. I will check the audio better for the next films :)
danish leopards in a fight
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_B%C3%B8llebank
Uh, did you type the year wrongly?
@@errorcrj110 the english language is sadly lacking in vocals - thus herd/hurt/heard are trying to replicate *ø* 😁
Stop teasing him about the snow!
@rustybuttpate
Colonel Nicholas Moran disagree with your assessment of him.
@rustybuttpate he was a ''poor soldier'' himself for a long time, he earned his place. Unlike you
And UN let Srebrenica happen in Bosnia, Did't use tanks then
The Swedish/Danish batalion (NordBat) was the only part of the UN mission to accomplish anything. And that was basicaly because of the Swedish batalion comander "interperting" (read ignoring) higher up UN orders in order to achieve his mission.
At least that is the Swedish perspective
thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2017/9/20/trigger-happy-autonomous-and-disobedient-nordbat-2-and-mission-command-in-bosnia
The Dutch UN contingent that guarded the camp didn't have any tanks.
@@meanmanturbo Yes the favorite Bat. for the UNPROFOR commander Michael Rose, they were not there to play Politico in Bosnia. (BA01 commander Ulf Henricsson the new sheriff in Vares).
@sada das en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutchbat
"The Dutch troops were armed with personal weapons, machine guns and two anti-tank RPGs"
Don't mock light snow and muck vehicles. We don't know if putin wants to liberate Banks Island or for that matter Baffin island. I don't think either the M1A1 or the Bradley are rated for muskeg.
Isit me or does tbic guy clnot understand the chieftain much?
No S.Karlsson it was not the snow in Sweden which was the main factor for the cheap lightweight plastic, wood bodies on 80-90% of the Swedish transport and support vehicles in the army from 1950-2000 it was the nations financial disgusting cheap factor. When I think about the Swedish army material history now in hindsight I get cursed and nausea of how little a Swedish soldier lives and health was worth for Swedish politicians and the defense leadership and then with an enforced military duty system that you had to obey to, then you could have thought that you would have access equipment that gave you a chance to survive for as long as possible in the state of war but that was the swedish state to cheap for. Was part of the Swedish war organization from 1981-2011.
I never said that snow was the reason for the plastic version. I said it was perfect for snow and that it could be used in any type of terrain. Later the demand for a better protected verion came up.
@@stefankarlsson9762 Ok, är än före detta byggarbetare vad det nu kan innebära för ens hörsel så jag måste ha miss tolkat orden jag hörde, det var ingen kritik mot dig personligen Stefan, det var riktat mot svenska staten.
@@gurra63able Ingen fara. Ville bara svara om det jag sa skulle ha tolkats fel. Jag kan bara hålla med dig i din kritik.
@@stefankarlsson9762 Det är väldigt svårt att komma på ett välartikulerat svar "on the fly" på Svenska, måste vara ännu värre på Engelska. :)
Nothing to do with being cheap until the late 1970's when the economy in general spiralled out of control with inflation and devaluations.
The "culprit" was the ability to field a force of 800 000 men, as that was regarded as making it less likely to get attacked in the first place compared to a fully protected force with less than a tenth of the numericals, in combination with the explicit desire to present as few tempting high value targets for tactical nukes as possible.
The 'crappy English' was a little painful to hear, but it got better further in!
What a disappointment that you didn't have CV90 to show him!
Get the U.S. out of the U.N., and the U.N. out of the U.S.!!!
I Love the Channel But im not a fan of The Chieftan
Agree.
The guy travels the world looking at boy's toys for a living, but shows less enthusiasm than I would expect from a 17 year girl on a field trip.