200 APCs is nothing to sneeze at. It may be old, but upgraded it likely isn't worse than a lot of the BMP and BRD pattern APCs in use in the current war. The main advantage of them of course is that they protect the infantry against artillery and can carry supplies in close proximity to the actual fighting. I'm very happy to see my country stepping up and giving more aid, hopefully we can start building more CV90s as well.
We (Ro) envy your products. Just the perfect, simple(r) type of stuff that smaller countries can afford in numbers. My head hurts when I think of the multimillion a piece equipment of the main producers.
Sorry to say it but this was bad when it was produced 65 years ago. We are giving Ukraine garbage again. The concept was outdated. The gun can't work with modern ammo, there is no aim assist and the suspension is bad so forget about shooting accurately on the move. Comparing 20mm cannon to 50cal. or ~1.25mm machine gun is desperate at best. Also there are no happy soldiers if constant maintenance is required to operate something. A lot of the video is trying to hide how inadequate this thing is. You can see the thickness of doors and hatches. You will be lucky if they can stop drone dropped expulsive. If they had to fit ceramic armor on the sides in Yugoslavia where those where used in peace keeping role and not it the tick of the battle one can imagine how bad they are armored. Also close to the ground and zero mine protection. Yes it is better to have it that to use a truck to move ppl to the front but... even in Vietnam war this thing would have been bad as M113 was. We better find more old BTRs as they need less maintenance and there are plenty spare parts available in Ukraine from destroyed BTRs. Also Ukraine have plenty of ppl already trained on BTRs and they need to spend many hours learning another new type of IFV.
yup, just stick an antenna out of another hatch (but still have it be pretty much closed) so you can keep in communication with the drone (i am not sure how well the signal goes through the hatch itself)
Also prime target for drone drops. Did you see how thin some of the hatches are? We are giving something that was build on an outdated concept even in the 60-ties. Even the presenter had a hard time to hide some its blatant issues. Like constant need of maintenance, poor (non existent) mine protection, Cannon the is less powerful than .50 cal machine gun and have no stabilization... and this is only those that are mentioned directly. Some are well omitted from the video. Soldiers will use it ofc but lets not spend time on feel good dreams that we are giving them something good.
@@Pallanamnjavelet "Panzerbandwagen" is a German word that translates to "Pansarbandvagn" in Swedish. We and the Germans are basically cousins. |🇸🇪 |🇩🇪
Sure you did... it's all about intent... as long as they intend to give it back, it's just borrowed :P On a serious note, though, they borrowed it, but then the Americans decided to let them keep it. So at the time it was, indeed, borrowed.
Considering how many M113s were eventually produced, and how many the US eventually sold to other countries, it probably wasn't worth the hassle of trying to recover a single hull from the other side of the world if it led to a large contract. They were built to be cheap and produced en masse anyway, so I assume it was a loan at first, but they never asked for it back at the end of the Swedish testing.
Epic verhicle hope it works in modern battlefields , our Dutch YPR-765 home build(replaced by CV90''s ) are very popular with the Ukraine forces. Nice that we have a sort of joint venture with Sweden, building new CV90''s in the Netherlands for our and Ukraine forces..
@@Redmanfms protected transportation most likely. won''t stand a direct hit, but far better than a civilian SUV or pickup, especially when the mud gets deeper
@@Redmanfms succesful hit and run tactics, they will come with a small platoon of 3 APCs hitting the Russians and leaving quickly. I useally hear that the YPRs are very successful in the war, yet I dont hear a lot about the M113, which should be identical.
Haha YPR popular??? You must be joking. Almost all have them have already been destroyed or are on display in Moscow. Also funny to hear how the patriotic Swede calls the CV90 the BEST IFV in the world. It so depends on the scenario and the Bradley and Puma have different strengths, but are certainly not worse.
I have as many here served on one of those APC. I really hope that our Ukrainien friends understand that with modern standards this is not a fighting vehicle anymore. Use it as a war taxi, give your soldiers some protection during transport.
Nie ,będą go używać nawet jako ciężki bwp. Bo nie mają tych pojazdów. Jak mogą wysłać ciężarówkę to lepiej ten pojazd. . Czy UE posiada odpowiednią liczbę BWP? Nie. UE ,kraje UE też będą w razie potrzeby pracować na zabytkach. Chyba że wszystkie będą na Ukrainie . To będą wtedy pracować na ciężarówkach.
@@SonsOfLorgar Because filthy is filthy, patina is a change to the surface of metal, kind of like rust or bluing or nitrocarburization. So its not patina, its literally dirty/filthy...
Great presentation and information as usual. Thank you. I personally would like to see all Tank Museums doing a video on their Armoured Personnel Carriers in Bosnia in the 1990's if they have them. What a great series of interacting Museum videos that would be. Stefan was no.1 with this video on the vehicle being used in Bosnia. Lets see more.
You see he didn't turn the handle when quick closing, so there's a 2cm gap where you can get your fingers stuck. If you then turn the handle, your fingers pop off. Solution is to lift the door off its hinges. Luckily I didn't get to witness this procedure
I love these less known designs especially when it is done right If it had something to act additionally as a platform to step out and 25mm gun this would be insane So many interesting features like top doors back doors firepower crew located in front easy acces to the engine Amazing
Glad this showed up, thanks UA-cam! I haven't seen anything from The Tank Museum lately, must look up that channel. Swedish military equipment has seemed to be far more thoughtfully designed, engineered, and implemented, than U.S., to me, since I was a child. But information on them was scarce, except in rare instances of hands-on availability. I look forward to more episodes!
Patgb 202/203, now being upgraded. Turret will probably be replaced with a modern weapon station soon (similar to the one fitted on Patgb 360 8x8). 400 new Patgb 300 6x6 from Patria and 150 TGB24 4x4 from Sisu are being delivered now to Sweden.
I remember reading about the PBV in Popular Science or Popular Mechanics, When I visited Sweden about 30 years ago I rented a car for several weeks and drove around the countryside visiting small museums like the Swedish tank Museum of the time. The tank museum back then was in an old stables building that still had separate wood housings for horses.
A huge thank you to Sweden for stepping up like this. Imagine if the USA sent even a part of their fleet of unused M113s in the same way! And thank you for this informative video
Great video, good information clearly presented. Also my complements on your museum, i recently got to visit it and really enjoyed the unique collection and thus my visit.
All the Swedish equipment I know of is top of the line and excellent quality, it's cool to see one of these in video, I've only ever read about them. How many is Ukraine getting? A nice peice, it will be in good company with lot of other equipment of it's vintage Even though it's old I have read these are very survivable, with all the doors and hatches the dismounts should be able to get out before a fire cooks off the 20mm ammo, which isn't anywhere near as bad as a mbts main gun ammo going off. The pike nose makes it look so mean. This is also one of the earliest vehicles I know of that had a spall liner, that's bleeding edge for the 60s
It's a bit unclear how many there will be as they haven't been in service for a while, but from what can be gleaned in Swedish media it'll be around 80-100 of them getting sent over.
Meanwhile Ukrainian Mechanic be like : "damm, i gotta read all 200 manuals of different vehicles from 10 different nations from 3 different eras and 12 different languages to be able to maintain them all." Slava ukraini 🇺🇦😢
You mention a little device in the turret that keeps the turret from turning while the gun is shooting. I'd love to see close ups on some of those little neat mechanical details like that. Great video as always!
It’s the same kind of brake used for steering brakes on the rear wheels of an old agricultural tractor, only smaller. It’s activated by the recoiling gun and thereby stops the turret from rotating.
had the chance to get inside an m113 with this turret installed in a museum in Switzerland. Getting in was difficult, getting out was difficult, extremely cramped overall. Definitely wouldn't want to be inside any of these boxes in a real scenario
PEBBAN! The nickname we had for our mobile home as mech.infantry riding in the back. A tough and reliable vehicle. Hopefully it will serve Ukraine well 🤛💪👍!
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Thx for the overview. But did the swedish army see this as an APC or IFV? I would think that you could call it a Schützenpanzer/IFV from a German perspective, because it has an automatic canon and the opportuity for the squad to fight over the side and the ability to quickly mount and dismount it
It was designated an APC, but used very much as an IFV, only IFVs wasn't really a thing west of the iron curtain yet iirc, the Bradley and Marder was still half a decade or more away when the Pbv302 entered service.
In the era it was designed, it could be called an IFV like the german HS30 or the better austrian saurer. For modern standards it is more an APC with an autocannon.
The APC vs. IFV is more of a doctrine thing, unless you simplify it to mean whether it has heavier weapons than a HMG. Both IFVs and APCs will be vulnerable if used right at the front, and both can be used to provide firesupport. Historically, a lot of what we now call APCs have been used like IFVs (ie. infantry fighting mounted next to tanks) while modern wheeled APCs have basically become a substitute for the truck mounted motorised infantry of the past that only uses vehicles for mobility and fights on foot.
M113 also has doors on the ramp you can use easily if you don't need to use the ramp or if it malfunctions they just made a m113 type of APC to there specification and made it better that's common for Sweden making stuff more functional and better for their military just look at what they did with the leopard strv 122 that is a beautiful work of art and the cv90 family love those vehicles and their artillery are some of the best in the world same with Finland they make awesome armored vehicles and artillery also
PBV 302 is quite the original system. CAme more or less the same year as BMP1 did 66/67. Is much more protected then the APC's of its era aka M113 and MT-LB . has a 20mm cassette fed gun on the roof in a turret. it truly ticks most of the IFV'S criterias yet it is called an APC and yet it was used as an IFV is Swedish doctrine more or less. So why is it called an APC? The PBV302 is still an big upgrade for Ukraine compared to much of what Ukraine has regarding APC and IFV as it is better protected than MT-LB, BMP1 and BMP2 and BTRs. The gun has its drawbacks but is better than most Sovjet systems and especially the BMP1's low pressure cannon.
Idk i think bmp 2 and btr micht be better and mt-lb is probly just as good. And your richt about the bmp1 bud the bmp one is good against bunkers and other shelters. Bud please tell me why the pbv 302 is better then them?
@@marijnnn4992 BMP 2 is a later generation, but I agree on that. PBV 302 is better armed for the main purpose of thise kind of vehicles than the BMP 1 and Mtlb.
@satanihelvetet MT-LB should be thought as an armored all-purpose tractor, but you gotta use what you got, I guess. BMP is the vehicle for front lines
The main difference between Strf90 and PBV302 is that the later was still considered a troop transport and support for that troop while Strf90 is a combat vehicle that includes infantry support.
I wouldn't wish a M113 on any army these days. They reduced the drive teeth to 10 to reduce side profile but 12 is considered minimum to prevent slamming on tooth engagement. Each pad is just under 25 kg and the last drive reduction is bolted to the flat sides with the stub mounting the drive gear. So at 30 kph you have thousands of slege hammers pounding the sides of your aluminum can. Expect permanent hearing loss in the long term even with hearing protection and expect toops to be delivered exhausted and unable to hear much just after unloading. Basically it's best to pile sandbags around the top and have everyone ride outside and just use the big contaner to store gear. Then only move inside when you have too. It is better than the uniform fabric and walking... Just the PBV is a better starting place. Screens, acoustic detection, the spalling liner, and thermal imaging should get things very useful. Training films with an audio translation, service manuals... People helping people. 🙂
When i was in the Norwegian army in 1986-87, storm troops rode on top of Leopard 1 tanks and hide behind the turret on their way towards "russian" strong point.
Tak Sverige 🇸🇪 Jeres udstyr har altid været kvalitet, har selv “skruet” lidt på en Draken i 1986 under skolepraktik 😅 De tjente det danske flyvevåben godt, den første jager i Flyvevåbnet med acceptabel pålidelighed. Godt I støtter Ukraine så godt 🇺🇦🇸🇪 Tak fra Danmark 🇩🇰
Oh I mistook PBV 302 with PBV 301. It would've been fun if you got those to send to Ukraine, on an pre-WWII chasis :D Of course this is better for the soldiers...
TY Sweden armed forces. This cold war APC seems better than many, including it's M113 daddy. A 20mm is an adult gun minimum , and glad you never got sold into the M2 like so many. Spaced armor is also combat proven. TY
Great video Stefan! There is one detail I react to and consider as doubtful... at 13.15 you say they have been stored at 20 years. That might be true for some of them, but as far as I know the PBV 302 totally ended it's service in the army around 2015.
Be more or less on-par with the MTLB's that already are in use in Ukraine, it's no more than an shrapnel hardened box for infantry dismounts. May have been used as an IFV back in the day but in a modern battlefield just not up to the task to be fighting from, best used as an APC to ferry troops relatively safe from shrapnel/smallarms fire from staging to initial points.
@@SonsOfLorgar They dont understand that MTLB only have 7mm gun. And you shoud not be over 170cm to sit in them. And a 50 cal can get true them if you hit the same spot, so MTLB is in the botton end off things.
Hopefully, decision is made to have Ukrainian crews and maintenance teams trained thoroughly in Sweden before actually deploying the vehicles in the combat.
As a soldier being able to shoot from the side might hear as a Mad Max recreation, in the drone land of Ukraine, its actually a good idea, escape hatches AND at least get a chance to shoot up the drones, having a fighting chance in modern war...
Detta var intressant, men underhåller ni inte era grejor Skitigare fordon får man leta efter, besättningen hade fått permission förbud om de hade lämnat sina fordon i detta skick En sådan samling ska ni vara rädda om och underhålla
Vi underhåller dem, men det är en del i utställningen att visa äkta patina på vissa fordon och inte enbart spegelblanka putsade saker som om de nyss lämnade fabriken. Det är skillnad på att drilla värnpliktiga soldater och att driva museum - tro mig, jag har gjort båda saker.
@@stefankarlsson9762 hej Tack för savaret👍 då förstår jag Huvudsaken är att ni underhåller dessa fordon de är väl värda detta Det jag mest lade märke till var M113 även denna var rätt ” använd” Det är riktigt roligt att ni har ett sådant tidigt exemplar i er samling och som är orört😀👍
"Not known outside of Sweden" every WarThunder player having a gasp of shock cause we know and love us some PBV :) nice video
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I was about to say that XD I
Altho I prefer the ANTII AA anti tank bonker
Ikr,but this thing only have limited ammo belt and its running out so fast,
Ohhhh, q war gamer we got here.
So many nice memories from the PBV 302. Both from the värnplikt and the the tours in Bosnia. Great little APC.
Ööö minns du rätt ? Jag gjorde ochså 3 bataljoner på pbv 302 och en på sisu ,saknar inte pbvn😊
Conscription = värnplikt
200 APCs is nothing to sneeze at. It may be old, but upgraded it likely isn't worse than a lot of the BMP and BRD pattern APCs in use in the current war. The main advantage of them of course is that they protect the infantry against artillery and can carry supplies in close proximity to the actual fighting. I'm very happy to see my country stepping up and giving more aid, hopefully we can start building more CV90s as well.
We (Ro) envy your products. Just the perfect, simple(r) type of stuff that smaller countries can afford in numbers. My head hurts when I think of the multimillion a piece equipment of the main producers.
It will be 300 in total i just saw on another channel
Sorry to say it but this was bad when it was produced 65 years ago. We are giving Ukraine garbage again. The concept was outdated. The gun can't work with modern ammo, there is no aim assist and the suspension is bad so forget about shooting accurately on the move. Comparing 20mm cannon to 50cal. or ~1.25mm machine gun is desperate at best. Also there are no happy soldiers if constant maintenance is required to operate something. A lot of the video is trying to hide how inadequate this thing is. You can see the thickness of doors and hatches. You will be lucky if they can stop drone dropped expulsive. If they had to fit ceramic armor on the sides in Yugoslavia where those where used in peace keeping role and not it the tick of the battle one can imagine how bad they are armored. Also close to the ground and zero mine protection. Yes it is better to have it that to use a truck to move ppl to the front but... even in Vietnam war this thing would have been bad as M113 was. We better find more old BTRs as they need less maintenance and there are plenty spare parts available in Ukraine from destroyed BTRs. Also Ukraine have plenty of ppl already trained on BTRs and they need to spend many hours learning another new type of IFV.
нщYou are complitly wrong. Bmp-3 is way better than this a way better in all aspects.
Those roof latches makes it a perfect drone carrier.
I am sure the Ukranian forces will figure that out pretty quick
yup, just stick an antenna out of another hatch (but still have it be pretty much closed) so you can keep in communication with the drone (i am not sure how well the signal goes through the hatch itself)
@@Yuki_Ika7 They could make the whole armor work as an antenna..
@@realtsarbombaI think that would make it a prime target for anti radiation munitions tho maybe?
Also prime target for drone drops. Did you see how thin some of the hatches are? We are giving something that was build on an outdated concept even in the 60-ties. Even the presenter had a hard time to hide some its blatant issues. Like constant need of maintenance, poor (non existent) mine protection, Cannon the is less powerful than .50 cal machine gun and have no stabilization... and this is only those that are mentioned directly. Some are well omitted from the video. Soldiers will use it ofc but lets not spend time on feel good dreams that we are giving them something good.
As a German I love the name "Panzerbandwagen".
Po niemiecku nawet nazwa motylek brzmi jak ciężki bojowy pojazd naziemny.
It's actually "Pansarbandvagn". But it's pronounced basically the same.
@@Pallanamnjavelet "Panzerbandwagen" is a German word that translates to "Pansarbandvagn" in Swedish.
We and the Germans are basically cousins. |🇸🇪 |🇩🇪
@@Nick-rs5ifyeah part of that history we aint so proud of 😅
@@robertklimczak5630in Silesian it is even better : szmaterlok - or something like that.
Thank you Sweden from Romania.
2:00 Stefan, if you "borrow" an APC from the US Army in the 1960s and you still have it in the 2020s.. you didn't "borrow" it!
Sure you did... it's all about intent... as long as they intend to give it back, it's just borrowed :P
On a serious note, though, they borrowed it, but then the Americans decided to let them keep it. So at the time it was, indeed, borrowed.
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We found it. The US must have lost it somehow.
@@b.benjamineriksson6030 it wasn't nailed down!😂
Considering how many M113s were eventually produced, and how many the US eventually sold to other countries, it probably wasn't worth the hassle of trying to recover a single hull from the other side of the world if it led to a large contract. They were built to be cheap and produced en masse anyway, so I assume it was a loan at first, but they never asked for it back at the end of the Swedish testing.
Ah very nice, thank you Sweden, i think this APC will help Ukraine a lot 😊
Greetings from Munich
Epic verhicle hope it works in modern battlefields , our Dutch YPR-765 home build(replaced by CV90''s ) are very popular with the Ukraine forces. Nice that we have a sort of joint venture with Sweden, building new CV90''s in the Netherlands for our and Ukraine forces..
Popular? For what?
@@Redmanfms protected transportation most likely. won''t stand a direct hit, but far better than a civilian SUV or pickup, especially when the mud gets deeper
@@Redmanfms succesful hit and run tactics, they will come with a small platoon of 3 APCs hitting the Russians and leaving quickly.
I useally hear that the YPRs are very successful in the war, yet I dont hear a lot about the M113, which should be identical.
Haha YPR popular??? You must be joking. Almost all have them have already been destroyed or are on display in Moscow. Also funny to hear how the patriotic Swede calls the CV90 the BEST IFV in the world. It so depends on the scenario and the Bradley and Puma have different strengths, but are certainly not worse.
@@nm9266 Being destroyed and being popular are not mututally exclusive.
I have as many here served on one of those APC. I really hope that our Ukrainien friends understand that with modern standards this is not a fighting vehicle anymore. Use it as a war taxi, give your soldiers some protection during transport.
Of course. To be fair, even Bradley can't handle 30 mm.
I think Ukrainians know well having been using m113 and Bradleys
Nie ,będą go używać nawet jako ciężki bwp. Bo nie mają tych pojazdów. Jak mogą wysłać ciężarówkę to lepiej ten pojazd. . Czy UE posiada odpowiednią liczbę BWP? Nie. UE ,kraje UE też będą w razie potrzeby pracować na zabytkach. Chyba że wszystkie będą na Ukrainie . To będą wtedy pracować na ciężarówkach.
@@robertklimczak5630 Nä, det är vad CV90 är till.
always a pleasure to watch your videos
I live 20 minutes from the Arsenalen tank museum and I am a frequent visitor 😊
Välgjord och intressant video - tack för det.
The M113 is not filthy, it has a Patina.
That's definitely just dirt, not changed metal finish.
@@DOOM_A-O so what?
@@SonsOfLorgar Because filthy is filthy, patina is a change to the surface of metal, kind of like rust or bluing or nitrocarburization. So its not patina, its literally dirty/filthy...
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The point
@@DOOM_A-Oyou don't get invited by people to go out after work very often, do you?
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Great presentation and information as usual. Thank you. I personally would like to see all Tank Museums doing a video on their Armoured Personnel Carriers in Bosnia in the 1990's if they have them. What a great series of interacting Museum videos that would be. Stefan was no.1 with this video on the vehicle being used in Bosnia. Lets see more.
I guess the rear doors also offer protection from small arms fire to the soldiers when they leave the apc
Great presentation of a great viechle. ...To my knowledge, the Bosnia batallion also included an Anti Tank Missile platoon, also in PBV 302:s.
Yes that is true, it was using the RB56. One of the worlds first Anti Tank Missile that hit the roof.
4:37 that is the quality sound of a door closing i expect from a mercedes
You see he didn't turn the handle when quick closing, so there's a 2cm gap where you can get your fingers stuck. If you then turn the handle, your fingers pop off. Solution is to lift the door off its hinges. Luckily I didn't get to witness this procedure
Thank you Stefan. Another superb presentation.
I love these less known designs especially when it is done right
If it had something to act additionally as a platform to step out and 25mm gun this would be insane
So many interesting features like top doors back doors firepower crew located in front easy acces to the engine
Amazing
Дякую!
Stefan is such a cool guy he makes everything interesting
He really does! 😎
@@arsenalensverigesforsvarsf6590 Love from Morocco
Glad this showed up, thanks UA-cam!
I haven't seen anything from The Tank Museum lately, must look up that channel.
Swedish military equipment has seemed to be far more thoughtfully designed, engineered, and implemented, than U.S., to me, since I was a child. But information on them was scarce, except in rare instances of hands-on availability.
I look forward to more episodes!
Every 🇸🇪 vehicle I've ever seen features great design & thoughtful, quality of life innovation. Thank you for helping 🇺🇦 in so many ways 💙💛♾️
Awesome Sweden! Love from 🇫🇮 to you.
Probably not much good as an IFV but probably a solid APC. If M113s are useful I have a hard time seeing this not being that as well.
The turret was used on the Patria armoured car too.
Patgb 202/203, now being upgraded.
Turret will probably be replaced with a modern weapon station soon (similar to the one fitted on Patgb 360 8x8).
400 new Patgb 300 6x6 from Patria and 150 TGB24 4x4 from Sisu are being delivered now to Sweden.
I love Swedish weapons. Greetings from Bulgaria
I remember reading about the PBV in Popular Science or Popular Mechanics, When I visited Sweden about 30 years ago I rented a car for several weeks and drove around the countryside visiting small museums like the Swedish tank Museum of the time. The tank museum back then was in an old stables building that still had separate wood housings for horses.
I'm so proud of Sweden. Your support of Ukraine is awesome.
A huge thank you to Sweden for stepping up like this. Imagine if the USA sent even a part of their fleet of unused M113s in the same way!
And thank you for this informative video
Thanks to Sweden for donating these!
The CV90 has a door in its ramp. The M113 had one for ease of exit but also doors are heavy (ones with decent armour) when on an incline.
I saw this in April, it was my first tank in any museum that I had the chance to go into and interact with and get a tour. I will mis this APC
Thank you, Sweden for these vehicles for Ukraine.
Great video, good information clearly presented.
Also my complements on your museum, i recently got to visit it and really enjoyed the unique collection and thus my visit.
Sweden has always been a powerhouse for good equipment. I'm so glad they are a NATO member. Solid ally!!!
All the Swedish equipment I know of is top of the line and excellent quality, it's cool to see one of these in video, I've only ever read about them. How many is Ukraine getting? A nice peice, it will be in good company with lot of other equipment of it's vintage
Even though it's old I have read these are very survivable, with all the doors and hatches the dismounts should be able to get out before a fire cooks off the 20mm ammo, which isn't anywhere near as bad as a mbts main gun ammo going off.
The pike nose makes it look so mean. This is also one of the earliest vehicles I know of that had a spall liner, that's bleeding edge for the 60s
It's a bit unclear how many there will be as they haven't been in service for a while, but from what can be gleaned in Swedish media it'll be around 80-100 of them getting sent over.
Meanwhile Ukrainian Mechanic be like : "damm, i gotta read all 200 manuals of different vehicles from 10 different nations from 3 different eras and 12 different languages to be able to maintain them all."
Slava ukraini 🇺🇦😢
great! thanks for the informative video!
Thanks for watching! 🙌🏼
You mention a little device in the turret that keeps the turret from turning while the gun is shooting. I'd love to see close ups on some of those little neat mechanical details like that. Great video as always!
It’s the same kind of brake used for steering brakes on the rear wheels of an old agricultural tractor, only smaller. It’s activated by the recoiling gun and thereby stops the turret from rotating.
This channel has a video PBV302) about that with English subtitles👍🏻
Looks like a great APC still plenty of use for it I'm sure.
This is not an APC, but an IFV, Infantry Fighting Vehicle.
PBV = APC, tracked
STRF = IFV (CV) tracked
PATGB = APC, wheeled
had the chance to get inside an m113 with this turret installed in a museum in Switzerland. Getting in was difficult, getting out was difficult, extremely cramped overall. Definitely wouldn't want to be inside any of these boxes in a real scenario
PEBBAN! The nickname we had for our mobile home as mech.infantry riding in the back. A tough and reliable vehicle. Hopefully it will serve Ukraine well 🤛💪👍!
Thx for the overview. But did the swedish army see this as an APC or IFV? I would think that you could call it a Schützenpanzer/IFV from a German perspective, because it has an automatic canon and the opportuity for the squad to fight over the side and the ability to quickly mount and dismount it
It was designated an APC, but used very much as an IFV, only IFVs wasn't really a thing west of the iron curtain yet iirc, the Bradley and Marder was still half a decade or more away when the Pbv302 entered service.
@@SonsOfLorgarGER had the HS30 SPz long before the Marder or BMP were a thing ...
In the era it was designed, it could be called an IFV like the german HS30 or the better austrian saurer. For modern standards it is more an APC with an autocannon.
The APC vs. IFV is more of a doctrine thing, unless you simplify it to mean whether it has heavier weapons than a HMG. Both IFVs and APCs will be vulnerable if used right at the front, and both can be used to provide firesupport. Historically, a lot of what we now call APCs have been used like IFVs (ie. infantry fighting mounted next to tanks) while modern wheeled APCs have basically become a substitute for the truck mounted motorised infantry of the past that only uses vehicles for mobility and fights on foot.
Bättre sent en aldrig att vi skickade dessa till Ukraina.
Himla intressant video som vanligt!
thank you, very interesting, as always! 👍
wow i like that mud splash paint job... very outsdoor chic!
Hoppas ni fortfarande får behålla ett par i museumet, intressant att en tidig kalla kriget design plockas upp för strid 2020-talet
M113 also has doors on the ramp you can use easily if you don't need to use the ramp or if it malfunctions they just made a m113 type of APC to there specification and made it better that's common for Sweden making stuff more functional and better for their military just look at what they did with the leopard strv 122 that is a beautiful work of art and the cv90 family love those vehicles and their artillery are some of the best in the world same with Finland they make awesome armored vehicles and artillery also
Riktigt intressant! Bara för info så översätts "krav" i detta sammanhanget till "requirements". Demands blir lite strängt 🙂
A bit of add on armour and night vision
Kommer vagnarna som ska till Ukraina uppgraderas?(till typ C versionen eller motsv?)
Ukrainas sak är vår. Tack för videon.
Då är ditt företag dåligt
@@user-ut4ji3tu1z gratulerar till att ha förtjänat dagens potatis i trollfabriken! Hälsa Putler ;)
Its ok APC, only, or one broblem are Flat bottom. When anti-tank mine blow under that machine, blast peneration comes thru....😢
PBV 302 is quite the original system.
CAme more or less the same year as BMP1 did 66/67.
Is much more protected then the APC's of its era aka M113 and MT-LB .
has a 20mm cassette fed gun on the roof in a turret.
it truly ticks most of the IFV'S criterias yet it is called an APC and yet it was used as an IFV is Swedish doctrine more or less.
So why is it called an APC?
The PBV302 is still an big upgrade for Ukraine compared to much of what Ukraine has regarding APC and IFV as it is better protected than MT-LB, BMP1 and BMP2 and BTRs.
The gun has its drawbacks but is better than most Sovjet systems and especially the BMP1's low pressure cannon.
It's called an APC as the name IFV wasn't used yet back then.
Idk i think bmp 2 and btr micht be better and mt-lb is probly just as good. And your richt about the bmp1 bud the bmp one is good against bunkers and other shelters. Bud please tell me why the pbv 302 is better then them?
@@marijnnn4992 BMP 2 is a later generation, but I agree on that. PBV 302 is better armed for the main purpose of thise kind of vehicles than the BMP 1 and Mtlb.
@satanihelvetet MT-LB should be thought as an armored all-purpose tractor, but you gotta use what you got, I guess. BMP is the vehicle for front lines
The main difference between Strf90 and PBV302 is that the later was still considered a troop transport and support for that troop while Strf90 is a combat vehicle that includes infantry support.
It might not be so well known, but anyone who does loves the Swedish Party Bus!
Not when you get one in the drive-in.... those things are lOUD in the head-set.
MAX, Boden around 1995 before you ask.
I wouldn't wish a M113 on any army these days. They reduced the drive teeth to 10 to reduce side profile but 12 is considered minimum to prevent slamming on tooth engagement. Each pad is just under 25 kg and the last drive reduction is bolted to the flat sides with the stub mounting the drive gear. So at 30 kph you have thousands of slege hammers pounding the sides of your aluminum can. Expect permanent hearing loss in the long term even with hearing protection and expect toops to be delivered exhausted and unable to hear much just after unloading.
Basically it's best to pile sandbags around the top and have everyone ride outside and just use the big contaner to store gear. Then only move inside when you have too. It is better than the uniform fabric and walking...
Just the PBV is a better starting place. Screens, acoustic detection, the spalling liner, and thermal imaging should get things very useful. Training films with an audio translation, service manuals...
People helping people. 🙂
Isn't everyone equipped with ear plugs and/or earmuffs nowadays?
Ballistic hearing protection is part of the standard kit within most modern armed forces who care for the wellbeing of their soldiers.
Not in the us army @realtsarbomba
When i was in the Norwegian army in 1986-87, storm troops rode on top of Leopard 1 tanks and hide behind the turret on their way towards "russian" strong point.
Nog kommer jag ihåg torsdagarna i den.magarna fulla med ärtsoppa i ett mycket trångt utrymme
Fisa turnering 🤢
thank you for vehicles and for the video)
Will they get up-armoured before being sent to Ukraine? Or will the Ukrainians need to add extra armour themselves?
What kind of ammo is available to this 20mm gun? I hope same as Marder has?
thx for the video.. great work 🙏
Thank you!
It looks like a Pz-35 Chassis with a M-3/BMP hull and a M-3 Grant turret I never hear of it until today.
Very good video!
Soliders hatches open like a Koenigsegg, so unique
I like the PB 302 BILL anti tank version.
Tak Sverige 🇸🇪 Jeres udstyr har altid været kvalitet, har selv “skruet” lidt på en Draken i 1986 under skolepraktik 😅 De tjente det danske flyvevåben godt, den første jager i Flyvevåbnet med acceptabel pålidelighed. Godt I støtter Ukraine så godt 🇺🇦🇸🇪 Tak fra Danmark 🇩🇰
U can sit inside it and deploy drones from the inside by opening the roof =)
Greetings from Switzerland🇨🇭 to Sweden🇸🇪 to Ukraine🇺🇦
No cv90 review?
Oh I mistook PBV 302 with PBV 301. It would've been fun if you got those to send to Ukraine, on an pre-WWII chasis :D Of course this is better for the soldiers...
Subscribing, great content
This thing is more of a modernized version of the 'M3 Lee', isn't it?
At least it looks almost identical from the left side. ^^
Great vehicle.
When will they be due to arrive in Ukraine ?
Very interesting. Thanks!
Great vid....keep em coming...thumbs up
English please.
TY Sweden armed forces. This cold war APC seems better than many, including it's M113 daddy. A 20mm is an adult gun minimum , and glad you never got sold into the M2 like so many. Spaced armor is also combat proven. TY
Episkt 💪
Great video Stefan! There is one detail I react to and consider as doubtful... at 13.15 you say they have been stored at 20 years. That might be true for some of them, but as far as I know the PBV 302 totally ended it's service in the army around 2015.
Be more or less on-par with the MTLB's that already are in use in Ukraine, it's no more than an shrapnel hardened box for infantry dismounts.
May have been used as an IFV back in the day but in a modern battlefield just not up to the task to be fighting from, best used as an APC to ferry troops relatively safe from shrapnel/smallarms fire from staging to initial points.
It can swim which could be very useful in Ukraine.
Not even close, the 302 is far better than any version or variant of the MTLB, and is designed for a distinctly more offensive role.
@@SonsOfLorgar They dont understand that MTLB only have 7mm gun. And you shoud not be over 170cm to sit in them. And a 50 cal can get true them if you hit the same spot, so MTLB is in the botton end off things.
The pike nose kinda reminds me of the IS-3.
Look like sweden was looking at the russian things =)
Interesting to see how this 1960's design will survive in Ukraine like 70 years later...
Hej! Varför har ni inte Svensk översättning dåligt? Borde ha ni så man förstår bättre om man inte är så bra på engelska.
Its like is3 and and m113 met on the battlefield and made love not war
We gonna see so many videos with these from Ukraine
Försvinner även museets pbver ?
Så som jag förstått det så är det endast försvarets förrådsställda 302or (cirka 180st enl källor på soldf)
Hopefully, decision is made to have Ukrainian crews and maintenance teams trained thoroughly in Sweden before actually deploying the vehicles in the combat.
It's a battle taxi, made to be driven by most people, and simple mechanics, to be mended by most handymen.
Зачем тщательно учится? Это что, инопланетный космический корабль? Сразу в бой, а то пока будут учится, солдаты будут гибнуть.
As a soldier being able to shoot from the side might hear as a Mad Max recreation, in the drone land of Ukraine, its actually a good idea, escape hatches AND at least get a chance to shoot up the drones, having a fighting chance in modern war...
i dont think any apc with ceramic plates or not can survive a direct atgm hit...
point is moot, Ukraine and Russia both are already driving APCs up to enemy trenches
fick vara med i en åktur i den där tre veckor sen, fett rolight asså
Es anfibio. Eso es lo importante. Puede cruzar rios sin puentes
Parece más robusto que el M-113, y me gusta esa torreta, seguramente brinda más protección al tirador que en el vehículo americano.
Thanks for support from Ukraine!!!!!
This is like a m113 but Bradley
Except the Bradley doesnt have a 20mm gun
@@NeapolitanApe also it doesn’t open up top, bad comparison on my behalf
Like a Sherman from the site, upside vehicle
Detta var intressant, men underhåller ni inte era grejor
Skitigare fordon får man leta efter, besättningen hade fått permission förbud om de hade lämnat sina fordon i detta skick
En sådan samling ska ni vara rädda om och underhålla
Det är mestadels frivilliga med begränsade resurser och begränsad tid till underhåll, speciellt av lågpriofordon som aldrig varit antagna i tjänst.
Vi underhåller dem, men det är en del i utställningen att visa äkta patina på vissa fordon och inte enbart spegelblanka putsade saker som om de nyss lämnade fabriken. Det är skillnad på att drilla värnpliktiga soldater och att driva museum - tro mig, jag har gjort båda saker.
@@stefankarlsson9762 hej
Tack för savaret👍 då förstår jag
Huvudsaken är att ni underhåller dessa fordon de är väl värda detta
Det jag mest lade märke till var M113 även denna var rätt ” använd”
Det är riktigt roligt att ni har ett sådant tidigt exemplar i er samling och som är orört😀👍