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@@tropiquiss but there's a line. tracking her jet to tell the world where she'll be? line crossed. being excited and politely asking for an autograph and/or selfie from her? that's fine
I’m a huge Swift fan but totally disagree with Orin. Role models should be criticized. Celebrities should not be idolized and given a free pass just because they speak out when it’s convenient to them. Props to Charlie for being so honest. That was brave.
Shoutout to Jon for representing the fans who just like an artist for their music. Remember, just because you don't know everything, go to every event, or listen to every song doesn't mean you're "not a real fan."
This is insane. I love taylor swift & her music but it seems like they genuinely think she can do no wrong. And the way that they brushed off the palestine issue & carbon emissions was crazy. Telling the mole “you’re so passionate and I love that for you but we only care about Taylor” was insanity.
no one thinks she's not wrong. obviously she's part of the problem with her private jet. doesn't change the fact that she's not even top 30 on the list even after having the biggest year, and those 30 people have yet to receive criticism for it. people make think pieces and made Taylor a punching bag for her private jet every single day, yet not a single voice is raised against Travis Scott who's number one and Beyonce
@@myAchillesHeel I agree with what youre saying as well. I think that celebrities have been using private jets and taking short flights out of convenience for so long (kylie jenner, mark wahlberg, floyd mayweather) yet she’s the only one who is being hated on to this extent. I also do think that most of the people who are hating on her often dont care about the climate crisis but want a reason to point at her and say “look, this is why we should hate her.” But I also do think the people in the video brushed off her very real wrongdoings way too quickly and that they didnt acknowledge the very real problems that are caused by her actions/lack of actions.
That pissed me off so much just the general disregard for the people suffering from genocide when if taylor can be used as a tool to help elect biden then she can be a tool to uplift Palestinian voices and spread awareness of the crimes being committed against these innocent civilians
but you need to unerstand than taylor is a big deal and she cannot just come up and support palestine like that first thing its not her duty and you CANNOT hate her for that so many ppl already support palestine but still wasnt able to do anything
Orin reaction to Charlie speech is why I think some taylor (celebrities fans in general) are so futile. They will care more about their own parasocial relationship than actual real life problems
What's even more concerning is they'll care about whatever their favorite celebrity tells them to care about and they'll take the side that their favorite celebrity does without doing any of their own research. That's far more concerning
No? That's just the media's view, give me a clear example of how her fans just chilling and supporting her are cult like, for example, kanye west's fans act more cult like.
@@User_98283ikr, you can be a fan of her music without Knowing everything, like if it was a movie, I'd expect you to know everything from the best scenes, to the worst scenes, to the most controversial character, to your favourite character etc etc But it's just taylor, all you need to know is her songs not her whole life
None of this was cult-like. if you’ve been on the internet in the past two years you would pretty much know all of this. And everyone can listen and know her music
Honestly that’s how I’ve seen majority of swifties act like especially on Twitter. Orin is one of the thousands that have that mindset and all just to worship Taylor Swift. (Not saying all her fans are like that but they has been way too many toxic Taylor fans and it’s the fact that she doesn’t call them out which also bothers me)
I literally rofl'd when Orin said "we're focused on Swift being a role model and uplifting and people knowing their voices are heard, rather than fixing global warming and war in the Gaza Strip"
Chrystale feeling rage inside as the person talked about Taylor Swift not speaking on Palestine FOR Taylor swfit and not for the victims..speaks volumes
Exactlyyyyyy! and the fact that she said taylor could talk about it quietly?? like no, everyone knows how much political influence she has even with the voting thing. she cant even manage a simple "ceasefire now"
As a Taylor Swift fan, watching these people flippantly brush off whatever wrong Blondie has done and continues to do is so infuriating. Like 'silently support'??? And then have the audacity to feel rage over it? Insanity. Hate to say this but every Swiftie in this episode (with the exception of the boyfriend fan) has proven exactly what SENSIBLE dislikers of Taylor Swift fans say: they're obsessive and will turn a blind eye to whatever she does.
Not to mention she is a POC Like why are you guys doing exactly what white people want you to do I bet she is not even socially aware of what's happening in Sudan and congo
@@aayush5760 private jet usage? Not speaking about Palestinian cause? Not speaking about basically any issue at all? And if you are going to be one of the "celebrities don't owe us to raise awareness" excusers, don't bother replying. A boycott from entirety of Swift's fandom in the US has the power to hamper the US support for Israel tremendously but she won't speak up because it's not her problem.
A huge swiftie, but I agree. Don’t be mad when someone is speaking about the truth. Literally I was so mad when they said “I dont think this is the topic to bring up with a bunch of swifities in a box” I feel like this was the most bravest hater and they definitely needed to give those swifties a wake up call lol.
@@hadassah6563 Do you mean to say maybe they all don't care about genocide or that they support it? I sure hope not.. It's not even about one nation vs another nation at this point. It's one of the most vile human rights crises in history, a genocidal massacre. I'd rather believe those who say nothing are just ignorant/ignoring the issue than to think they are well aware of what's happening and in full support of the genocide. 😔 I think the truth is that Taylpr probably doesn't want to "pick a side" because she sees it as a two sided issue, and that's an ignorant take since, like I said, it's genocide. It's not a nation vs nation war at this point. Never really was..
@@Azarath_Metrion_Zinthoswhy are you so obsessed with this comment section LMAOO i've seen your comments a lot ?? like girl i promise taylor doesn't care abt you, obsessed asf for what ☠️
@@Azarath_Metrion_Zinthos oh because I like a genre of music I can’t hold people accountable? I don’t idolize Kpop idols SOO much that I would ignore wrong doings or them being silent during a GENOCIDE.
@@whataboutthetea846so i guess you agree that all the kpop boys and girls you stan are guilty of supporting the genocide of Palestinians. And if you're not calling out kpop as an industry for the genocide, then you are just as compacent as them
orin says they shouldn’t bring up the palestine genocide in a room filled with swiftlets but then proceeds to say taylor swift is a role model and allows people’s voices to be heard?? lmao what??
What does supporting quietly do?? That was such an unintelligent thing to say. Then the audacity to feel rage over it ?? They just brought up how she caused a huge rise in voting through JUST an article while playing. What does being silent do ? I do not believe that you can be a fan of someone if you are able to block them from criticism that could ultimately make them a better person. This is why no one likes swifties.
What is saying "genocide bad" gonna do? Do you think the IDF cares about Taylor Swifts opinion on what they're doing? Be so serious, yall are so chronically online you don't realize how clownish your comments are.
@@Juzzzer I really hate that I have to share this beautiful earth with people like you. Common sense isn’t so common. It puts eyes and pressure on Palestine and our governments. If she was able to increase voting rates here with just an article, why wouldn’t you think “America’s princess”. Wouldn’t have a social impact on how the matter is being treated or discussed. Both me and Taylor are AMERICANS. AMERICA is what’s funding Israel. Now stop talking to me. It’s always the “chronically online” talking point losers who are always online with nothing to add. Get a hobby. There’s a genocide going on.
Orin is an example of what happens when top artist don’t want to talk about current issues. When it’s all about the music they influence you to have the mindset of “let’s just not talk about this and ignore and keep living our privileged lives” while they keep making money off of you.
while I do agree with what you"re saying, I don't know the impact Taylor could have in these topics like the Palestine stuff. Of course, with her influence she can make ppl more aware of what's happening, but how would that benefit Palestine in a actual, meaningful way. (Not a Taylor swift fan btw, can't name 3 of her songs if I tried lol)
@@Blaxative601 her fans will eat up whatever she gives them. kehlani and numerous small artists with diverse audiences have made such impacts already. imagine the impact this iconic superstar with a large caucasian audience would create. they view her as a role model
Yes, but how will that benefit Palestine, you know? There are issues and topics I believe she and a lot of celebrities can talk about that fans of their work can make a big difference in (Climate change, lgbtq rights, minority rights, etc). Stuff that her audience can change by living/viewing things differently. But how would that impact the bigger issues like the war in palestine? Like let's say I was a taylor swift fan who didnt know about about the Palestine situation. and let's say Taylor now dropped a song or something speaking about the issue and now I am aware and did my research. I still would have zero impact on how the issue is being handled, the only difference is that I am aware of it now. Am I making sense? @@moona5060
Wtf does Taylor Swift know about world politics? And why does she suddenly have a responsibility to speak about issues she may not be educated on? Like seriously get real. If you became the most famous person in the world tomorrow would you be taking college classes about world politics? It literally has nothing to do with her
being a fans is fine until you turn a blind eye over the fact that your idol use their influence and voice the current issues only for things/at times that are convenient to them (and this applies to all fanbase basically)
Or alternatively she doesn't care?? Not everybody supports Islamic terrorism. The silent majority is with Israel. The loud tiktokers are with the terrorists. Celebrities have no place in politics.
what do you think wealth redistribution is about? It should be more radical than just stopping at being a millionaire, but we live in a capitalist world not a perfect one
@@y3llow00 I get that but I’m saying if just being a billionaire makes you none ethical, giving more money away doesn’t automatically make you more ethical. How you make your money in the first place determines if and how ethical you are in my mind. You can give all you want and still be a “bad” person.
@@tgonnabfamous13That's a fair point. And wealth redistribution should be done via taxes anyway, not individual billionaires picking and choosing who and what is "worthy" of their charity. I've been on the receiving end of that, and let me tell you, it feels gross.
ur so rite! i love taylor but with the international platform she has she could influence the world in such a positive way by just once speaking out against genocide
Absolutely. I’d still like rock but at least I’d gain immensely more respect for her if she used her influence more. She could literally change the world..
On the flip side, I come to Taylor Swift to sing and clap and be entertained. She doesn't exactly have the best track record for speaking out on political issues (she kinda made her coming out in support of LGBT about herself in a way). I don't want to hear a billionaire talk about politics. I don't go to her to learn about the gaza/palestine situation the same way I don't go to my political youtubers to lay down funky beats.
I don’t care about celebrities making a statement but it is kind of awkward that Taylor Swift made a whole documentary about being political and an activist and then dropped that
She's only vocal about it when it benefits her. Everything she does seems performative but Swifties eat it up every time. And this is coming from someone who's been a fan of her music for 10+ years.
she like most celebrities who are "political" are just catering to their audience, I dunno why people still for this when its so obvious🌚just like people who used to think Ellen Dewhat her face was "political" or "decent" tbh. If a celebrity was really political they would talk about something not many people know that actually impacts them or take a stand once in a while against the popular opinion -_-
I KNOW. i’ve been a swiftie for years but apparently you’re not considered a swiftie unless you know her mother’s maiden name, the name of her first pet, and her social security number 😐😐
Charlie had the best reason to dislike taylor swift because she is really a performative activist and only uses the feminist card when it is beneficial to her. I appreciate Charlie/Dogface so much ❤❤❤
@@barnaby4232girl everything.. she only speaks on “feminism” when someone criticizes her. But she can’t speak up for the women being sexually abused and bombed in Gaza. Yeah it’s performative and shows she only uses her “white feminism” so people will feel bad for her
terrible to say ‘oh every other billionaire has a bad carbon footprint so it’s fine when she does it’ when her fuel emissions are 10x any other celebrity. you don’t just forget about the damage that does to the environment because everyone else is doing it.
@@megship I hope this comment is ironic because there are over 8 billion humans on earth and to be defending someone in the top 100 people using gas emissions is literally such a wild stance.
@@skoorbryanthey didn’t say she was excused they simply pointed out the inaccuracy of the original comment, additionally Taylor’s flights make next to no difference on climate change it is beyond minuscule.
Cringed when they defended her private jet use because "other people are doing it too" and she "rents out her private jet". IT DOESNT MAKE IT ANY BETTER. This is coming from someone who flew to another country to see her live
But she needs it to get around, and her safety takes priority. She can’t drive with all the stage equipment. And she can’t get across the ocean. And it would be really really dangerous for her to not fly by herself. Don’t buy tickets and waste your time if you can’t even defend her safety.
She has no other way of getting around. Also, she has done lots of work to reduce her carbon emissions as well, and isn’t even on the list of the top celebrities jet usage.
wow that end bit is CRAZY. you can like a celebrity but to go as far as to forgive every single negative thing they’ve done/do is INSANITY! you can like taylor swift and at the same time acknowledge that her silence is complicity and her carbon emissions are crazy. im begging these people to open their eyes to the bigger picture
I agree, and the whole thing abt her RENTING her private jet??? How does that justify her private jet issue? You shouldn't have a private jet in the first place(at least not when you are this famous and this active socially)The carbon emissions are still hers even if she rents it to other ppl, she rents it so she could get paid while some anonymous dude uses her jet and produce carbon emission.SHE GETS PAID! She's saving money cause she couldn't afford the jet to just be there and stay there not emitting anything, lol.
@@DGoldy303I'd you were a fan you knew that she even attended a pro Palestine event. And she was criticized for that. People these days can't have an opinion, but neither can stay quiet because people are gonna criticize anyway. And an artist is not responsible for their fans political opinions.
I think It would have been too on the nose, but of course I thought about It haha. You can get to hate something when you have someone obsessed with it around.
@@elephant1871um why wouldn’t she? she has a huge platform that could help raise awareness and donations. staying silent while a genocide happens isn’t the ‘win’ you think it is.
@@lemmonaadeexcept the fact it is, it is genocide, Israeli "civilians" putting up tents in front of the border and protesting against humanitarian aid entering gaza (not that all israelis support this), where plus 30000 people are confirmed dead. More than 100000 are estimated to e dead between those who disappeared those who are still under the rubble, they are getting starved,humiliated, tortured after being in an open air prison for 17y, after being under occupation for 75y. It wasn't black and white when this started and bibi’s lies weren't so obvious, it starts being black and white when u get past ur Islamophobia and racism and get informed on what's happening. She gets hate for anything and everything, getting hate isn't something anyone that famous could avoid, this is important, she's a feminist but apparently white feminism only support women when they want to take off the hijab, it's not valid when they want to wear it or when they are forced to use torn up tents as pads in gaza
@@lemmonaade so sad that she would be causing arguments while a whole genocide is happening. it shouldn’t have to be ‘black and white’ for someone to speak up about it.
Orin saying that he cares more about Taylor Swift uplifting people who’s voices aren’t heard was probably the most hypocritical thing he could’ve said…the whole problem with the war occurring in Palestine is the fact that Palestinians are being cut off from the world and slaughtered silently if you have as much influence as Taylor you should advocate for what you believe in and her saying absolutely nothing says volumes about her beliefs and morals
@@Cerxts Yeah people don't have to speak up on every issue that exists ever, no one's denying the war is an issue, it's horrible, but not everyone has to talk about it
Regardless whether you like or dislike her... knowing her pets by name, aswell as her favorite food and other trivial things like that is actual psychopathic behavior
There’s plenty of people who could see that info one time and remember it🤣 it’s really not that crazy lol her pets are named after super well known tv characters
If its a trivia about a youtuber I watch, I think I'd be able to answer most of them. Imagine there's some people who use twitter n insta as much as i watch youtube, then they would defo know these just bc its on the background. Not like they're obsessively tryna know that info(not all at least)
really ironic for orin to say taylor's purpose is to let people know that their voices can be heard to then completely diminish and not hear charlie's voice
Exactly!!! Charlie said nothing about HATING Taylor they just said how they weren't into pop music and that she isn't speaking up on the genocide like what's make u rage!?!?!
the last few minutes actually PROVED why taylor needs to speak up about palestine because if a majority of her fans are anything like the ones in this video, they will switch their beliefs from whatever they had before and do what she says, and actually worry about real life issues like a GENOCIDE rather than their own twisted parasocial relationship with her.
i’m a taylor swift fan and i support palestine and i think she should speak about it but we don’t know everything and shouldn’t be quick to judge because she has gone to fundraisers for palestine but there’s nothing that she can actually really do is there?
That is BRAVE of you to assume that all swifties support Palestine. When in reality I do not 1000000% and for any reason u may think. I’m a huge swiftie and I know many More that agree with me
14:06 girl,, feeling rage for what?? she doesn’t know you exist omg, they called her out rightfully so like they should’ve. anyways, the fans who love her yet call her out and know that they can criticize her actions are the definition of real fans in my opinion. that’s how every fan for any artist should be (my opinion btw)
His take at the end was so wrong. She's a musician not a politician. She doesn't have to speak about anything! We don't need Taylor Swift to tell us that war is bad, we all already know that! She can't say anything that hasn't been said already!
@@Victori.A1 Okay but she could atleast spread awareness about it?? she literally has 105.27 million listeners on spotify. His take was completely valid.
Because she's leading artist of this decade. Her music has so much of her personal details and her life plus she is an idol for so many and people want to know their idol?
The way people are obsessed with Taylor for her and not her music is insane. Like those facts - that only her best friends or family should know is basically their mantra and in the forefront of their memories. That’s freaky. Swifties are almost cult like.
@@tastssy if you ask most fans of other singers or bands etc. I am 99% sure majority of them don’t know what names their cats have, their pet peeves or their Starbucks order. But if you ask a Swiftie. I would guess majority of them know these little details bout her personal life. Most fans of celebrities just know them for their professional works or their music. I am a huge fan of a few bands. Literally know their lyrics front to back. But if you ask me, what their birthday is - I would draw a blank. Or who they dated. I would not even know or bother to know. I love them solely for their music. But Swifties love Taylor for her music + her personal lifestyle choices + her personal life details (like fav color, fav foods etc) which I find quite extreme and obsessive.
That’s part of her brand, so idk how it’s insane. Y’all be insane with politicians, boyfriends, husbands, etc, but let it be a musical artist and there’s a problem.
Orin saying "It's not that we don't care about the war on the gaza strip but we're more focused on Taylor being uplifting and a role model and letting people know that their voices can be heard" is such a tone deaf contradictory statement
That's not necessarily the case. People actually think incredibly influential celebrities like Taylor should speak on these topics, especially if the celebrity's demeanor is "uplifting" and "helpful". Moreover if she has already talked about political and societal problems, it's weird not to talk about a country in literal shambles including so much harm to the people. With her platform she can do so much, as you've literally seen in this video.
What the Internet is expecting; Taylor: " hey guys, gen0 cide bad!" I sraeli government: "welp, I guess we have to stop. Taylor Swift doesn't approve" 🤡
@@Victori.A1 literally no one’s expecting that we just want her to show support for Palestine, no one with a brain thinks that it’ll stop the Israeli government 💀
@@Victori.A1 The obvious reason why Taylor is staying completely silent is because she knows that the instanr she brings up what's happening in palestine, she'll lose all her money.
As a Swiftie, Dogface has a point. You gotta use your influence to speak up for others who can’t speak for themselves and bring attention to causes you have the power to change for the better. I think most other Swifties her would also disagree with Orin (edited for spelling mistakes)
I love how renting out her private jet somehow made the excessive private jet use better? To me that just sounds like Taylor a) getting money from people she knows when she absolutely does not need more money (it's only "hustle" when you're not already filthy rich), and b) she doesn't need to rent it out, she could just have it not fly when she isn't using it and pay for the upkeep to control her emissions better.
@@lithia4483 okay.. but have you seen the carbon emission list of celebrites? there are many other people we could be bashing, taylor isnt even on the top 30. yall just like hating on a successful white woman, just say it
@@CrustyBroBugsshe is not the best of our time. She’s brilliant, not the best. The best lyricists, truly, you’ll never see because they’re writing the songs for artists
I was obsessed,a huge fan of a band. I took a few steps down when I became so close to the band that I knew people from the management. Knowing too much and knowing all those other obsessed fans were SCARY. I promised that I wouldn't become such a huge fan of anything ever again. These people are reminding me of those years and I felt kind of scared.
@@denilsonzaslavski1989 you can tell orin was pissed off by his comment at the end (FILLLED with contradictions , might I add) and Chrystale literally shared how she felt a rage inside bffr😭😭😭
“Let’s just ignore this, we’re definitely concerned but let’s focus on being uplifted even though we’re not the ones being oppressed or targeted for genocide”. 💀 that’s what I heard
@@hhellyxoxo Comparing global warming to genocide, such as the conflict between Israel and Palestine, is highly inappropriate and problematic. Genocide involves intentional and systematic violence targeting specific groups of people based on their identity, while global warming is a complex phenomenon driven by human activities like burning fossil fuels and deforestation. Equating the two minimizes the gravity of genocide, which represents one of the darkest aspects of human history, characterized by mass atrocities and profound suffering. Additionally, genocide is a crime under international law with identifiable perpetrators, whereas global warming does not fit within the legal framework of genocide and lacks intentional human agency to the same extent. Such comparisons risk diverting attention and resources away from the urgent need to address the root causes and consequences of global warming, hindering efforts to combat climate change effectively...
@@blackhartz0wait I'm so confused on your point. Genocide is horrible and indefensible but so I'd global warming. Especially because both come from the same root cause of greed and capitalism. I'm just confused on why you think they can't be compared when they're both horrible things that are happening today.
As a swiftie, I 100% agree about what Charlie had to say about Taylor and Palestine and it BOILS my blood when I see other swifties talking about how it's not her job to speak up, or that she can be supporting quietly. By that logic, why does the YNTCD music video exist? Why did she vocally talk about the bill she sent to the white house? Why did she make a song called "Only The Young", which talks about injustice and how corrupt the government can be?? Also, what Orin said is so... ew. What do you mean we are more focused on Taylor Swift than the issues concerning other people, especially when the issue is genocide?? Being a swiftie is not an occupation, it should not disturb you from speaking up on injustice. And about her solving all the world's problems, who is expecting that?? She has influence, and she can do so much with it. Like someone mentioned, many voted just because she talked about it on IG. Why deny that she has that power on issues such as this? Again, I love her music SOO much and adore her lyricism, but I cannot make excuses for her on such stuff. The reason why it disappoints me so much is because she herself painted her image as a person who speaks on injustice. She made many feels like she cares. Well, apparently, not enough to speak on innocent people dying.
you are literally speaking facts. Taylor and so many celebrities have the ability to change the lifes of so many Palestinians but they would rather stay quiet?!!!!! it doesnt make any sense.
I don’t like Taylor swift She supports lgbtq and pro choice and is very liberal and even supports the Palestine and she did witch craft and wore a demon mask saying summon the demons and she even endorsed Joe Biden and told people to vote for him and then calls her self a Christian like NO your not Taylor stop lying and she even said that’s the true Christianity which is the biggest lie I’ve ever heard
I didn’t read your entire comment so my response is only to the first half but I agree. It’s a bit of a contradiction because they said “there are no ethical billionaires” and that Taylor should donate to go back down to a millionaire yet they don’t think it’s her responsibility to speak up about issues concerning other people lol?
These Swifties did not pass the vibe check. Charlie, or should I say "Dogface" had a totally valid point. This entire segment video shows how crazy Taylor Swift fans could be and that how strong her influence is. If she could just utter one word about Gaza/Palestine that could really make a difference cuz her entire fandom would swarm to help and fund since "she spoke about it" but she chooses not to. And that's every celeb ftm, Charlie brought it up in this scenario only because the group and the entire setting was conformed to Taylor Swift. Not that they solely wanted to blame Taylor for the whole thing, they were just making a valid point that yes she could speak up but she doesnt!
@@FiveMissilesyou’re wrong. hamas agreed to a ceasefire agreement, so did israel, but then they were forced to back out because israel decided to change almost every detail to basically be a non permanent ceasefire. you can google this.
it bothers me that they were saying 'taylor is about letting ur voice be heard' and then they were like BuT TaYLoR DoESnT NEeD To SpEAk oN PaLEStINE like u cant have both
I’m not being rude, but who else do you think would have better lyrics than her? It’s all in opinions, to me I believe she could be. But what do you think?
@ sufjan stevens, thom yorke, fiona apple, black country new road, and hozier just to name a few-- taylor's writing can be pretty but imo it doesn't hit like a lot of other artists do🤷♀️
Knowing a celebrity's parents' name isn't creepy. It takes two seconds to memorize someone's first name. The majority of people who are fans of celebs normally know the parents names too. Yall just do too much.
What could she possibly do?! U think her posting abt it will stop the war that's oldee than her grandma? Voting in her home country and a war between two foreign countries r completely different things
Exactly, like why do people think celebrities have to be political, that's literally not what they want their career to be for, especially when it's about subjects they don't know enough about- I saw people posting so many false things just because of how easy it is to press "share", I'm glad some celebrities know better. @@Stormy_Cloud
i agree with Charlie/Dogface 100%, i can't like a celebrity like her who only does performative activism and says nothing about the biggest things that matter
@@Idkanymore567 its not abt being her job, shes one of the most influent people of the world rn and maybe if she actually said something abt the genocide, like charlie/dogface said, people would actually start to realize that whats happening in gaza needs to be stopped and would actually try and do something. its rather mor about being a human yk
Dogface ate with the comment about Palestine. I was a Swiftie up until recently when I realized how performative her activism is. To make a whole segment in your documentary saying you are going to be more vocal now with politics since you have a big voice, only to not use it. Same thing goes with Selena Gomez. Bare minimum would have been signing the ceasefire letter, that even Joe had the decency to sign.
@@somfs1459theres so much more to lyricism than rhyming 😂 And when you have written over 200 released songs and even more unreleased songs, chances are there are some similar rhymes.
as a taylor fan, I actually feel enraged that she isn't speaking up about the genocide being committed on the Palestinians and for those swifties to not care and to say things like "this is about Taylor being uplifting and a role model" is absolutely insane. check your privilege (ESPECIALLY orin and chrystale).
She's probably not allowed to. Yes, she could probably try, but her publicist probably doesn't let her. People need to realize that most celebrities are basically puppets and if they're told not to do something that might jeopardize their career, then they'll probably listen.
charlie/dogface did SO FCKING WELL AT THE END. its scary to watch hypocrisy driven by celebrity worship blindness. people cannot see their own biases, and there is no excuse. and the excuses they tried to make just make them look uselessly defensive, which they are. I wish i had more friends like him.
“More focused on Taylor Swift being uplifting and being a role model and letting people know that their voices can be heard” It's almost like Taylor speaking on Palestine WOULD be uplifting, a huge role model to many, and WOULD let the Palestinians voices be heard???? orin's ignorance is wild
@@Quiltedcobra_529 PD: Your comment is exactly what is wrong with american culture, everything is ''It's not my problem, it's yours'' and as swiftie its so sad to see that there are people in this fandom that doesn't care, and it's not because you're a swiftie, it's because you're PRIVILIGED.
@@giggletron69He's the hater because he's an anarchist. Anarchists are passionate about issues such as genocide. I don't see why the producers would need to tell him to say anything.
Love how Charlie is speaking up about the Palestin* that is so brave & yes, a big celebrity like Taylor Swift shud definitely used her platform!!!!! Thanks charlie!
In this political climate it's braver to speak up in support of Israel actually. And I don't know why everybody just assumes that everyone supports Palestine because they don't obviously civilians getting hurt anywhere is bad but what is being shown in the mainstream media is not accurate it's been debunked many times
@@percyweasley9301 because she literally is one of the celebrity with the most influence in the world. And other celebrities also got criticized for not speaking up, so it's not "only her".
Charlie is standing with humanity, unlike others. I love Charlie for being so passionate about Palestine this is how it should be. To the swiftis who get offended by ppl criticizing Taylor grow up. No one is saying she should solve the genocide. She has so much influence that if she posts about Palestine one time it would be enough. FREE PALESTINE, end the genocide, end the occupation, permanent ceasefire. 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
@@AdanSolas She doesn’t HAVE to say anything, but with her giant fanbase, and having influence over people in higher powers in the US, she should say something.
@@ayajwon.8 it is only because if Swift chooses to be silent about it, they think that it is also ok for them to be like that. It just shows again how much power this woman has if she ever chooses to use it
@@taylana3331”some are just passionate” some of you literally act like your whole purpose in this universe is to bootlick A SINGER and defend them with your life??
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What’s your favorite Taylor Swift song?
@@SpiritSlayer1 Mine is innocent or Haunted
mee
Iam watching it for like 1 hour
Great Video as per usual!! Would you consider doing this but with One Direction Fans?? It's another very dedicated fanbase and would have hit potential :)
you can be a taylor fan without needing to know everything about her.
Exactly why the guy with the girlfriend stayed in the game. He didn't know much but still liked her music
You can be a taylor hater and not run your mouth in the comment section
Yeah but it's a game and each round is timed and they have to vet people out one way or another
@@MsBlushing24he is genuinely speaking the truth though
This
jon is what more music fans should be like lmfao. casual and liking the music
we can be as chaotic as we'd like. don't tell us how to be fans if you aren't one.
@@tropiquiss your chaotic = parasocial, idolizing, ignoring a genocide
@@tropiquiss but there's a line. tracking her jet to tell the world where she'll be? line crossed. being excited and politely asking for an autograph and/or selfie from her? that's fine
@@tropiquiss embarrassing
Some of us are fangirls or fanboys. Let us be. It makes us happy.
I’m a huge Swift fan but totally disagree with Orin. Role models should be criticized. Celebrities should not be idolized and given a free pass just because they speak out when it’s convenient to them. Props to Charlie for being so honest. That was brave.
exactly. What is happening in Palestine should matter to her just like how the LGBTQ rights do
This!
@@naimaMohamed-px6uy lqbtq rights>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palestine
@@naimaMohamed-px6uy no Mohammed. Lgbtq rights >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palestine
im also a swiftie and i absolutely agree with you. taylor has so much influence and her saying something would make a big difference.
Shoutout to Jon for representing the fans who just like an artist for their music. Remember, just because you don't know everything, go to every event, or listen to every song doesn't mean you're "not a real fan."
Yeah i agree
Thanks for the 6 likes
Yeah you don't need to go all out and buy everything to enjoy her music.
Love how it became a middle ground episode at the end
LMAO FR
underrated comment lmao
lololol
ok but a middle ground with swifties vs. punks would actually make sense in a way
okay keep cooking
This is insane. I love taylor swift & her music but it seems like they genuinely think she can do no wrong. And the way that they brushed off the palestine issue & carbon emissions was crazy. Telling the mole “you’re so passionate and I love that for you but we only care about Taylor” was insanity.
no one thinks she's not wrong. obviously she's part of the problem with her private jet. doesn't change the fact that she's not even top 30 on the list even after having the biggest year, and those 30 people have yet to receive criticism for it. people make think pieces and made Taylor a punching bag for her private jet every single day, yet not a single voice is raised against Travis Scott who's number one and Beyonce
@@myAchillesHeel I agree with what youre saying as well. I think that celebrities have been using private jets and taking short flights out of convenience for so long (kylie jenner, mark wahlberg, floyd mayweather) yet she’s the only one who is being hated on to this extent. I also do think that most of the people who are hating on her often dont care about the climate crisis but want a reason to point at her and say “look, this is why we should hate her.” But I also do think the people in the video brushed off her very real wrongdoings way too quickly and that they didnt acknowledge the very real problems that are caused by her actions/lack of actions.
Forreall!!!!
@@edenandjam I agree with this but its like half agreeing because there are topics which people go way overhand but i do agree with what youre saying
theres not palistine issue she hasnt spoken bc it doesn't concern her
“It’s just not a topic to put in a box with a bunch of Taylor swift fans” says it all
yep😒
automatically knew they are someone who prob doesn't even speak out either
That pissed me off so much just the general disregard for the people suffering from genocide when if taylor can be used as a tool to help elect biden then she can be a tool to uplift Palestinian voices and spread awareness of the crimes being committed against these innocent civilians
exactly
Yea, I wouldn’t want to be stuck in a box with an ignorant anti-Semite either
15:03 we don’t gaf abt you being uncomfortable. if you’re uncomfortable with the conversation, it needs to be had.
exactly like imagine how uncomfortable the thousands of people being bombed feel.. just horrific
but you need to unerstand than taylor is a big deal and she cannot just come up and support palestine like that first thing its not her duty and you CANNOT hate her for that so many ppl already support palestine but still wasnt able to do anything
@JJRL-hz8px celebrities with huge worldwide followings showing support does help
@@JJRL-hz8pxbitc h it's not about palastine or arab country it's genocide
Some people are sensitive to some topics yall need to accept that
This is the bravest hater of all times 🤣🤣🤣
was so proud
He ate thattt
Sameeeeee
Fr I was not expecting them to make that turn in this type of vid and make them somewhat uncomfortable, but they went OFF🔥🔥🔥
We stan
Orin reaction to Charlie speech is why I think some taylor (celebrities fans in general) are so futile. They will care more about their own parasocial relationship than actual real life problems
exactly
What's even more concerning is they'll care about whatever their favorite celebrity tells them to care about and they'll take the side that their favorite celebrity does without doing any of their own research. That's far more concerning
No one cares about muslims
them acknowledging taylor swift helped increase voting just by one singular mention then dismissing Palestine is the most ironic thing
Same and chrystelle smh
Like them or not, Taylor Swift has a cultlike fanbase 🤣
No? That's just the media's view, give me a clear example of how her fans just chilling and supporting her are cult like, for example, kanye west's fans act more cult like.
@@zovacz yes
Can you name some examples?
Nothing cute or funny about it, though. It's disturbing.
@@ewrock7635 why is it disturbing?
If you showed this video to someone without context, they’d think it was 6 cult members vs 1 non cult member 💀
Like be fr - just because u don’t know everything abt her doesn’t mean u aren’t a swiftie
@@User_98283ikr, you can be a fan of her music without Knowing everything, like if it was a movie, I'd expect you to know everything from the best scenes, to the worst scenes, to the most controversial character, to your favourite character etc etc
But it's just taylor, all you need to know is her songs not her whole life
I see no difference even after having the context
None of this was cult-like. if you’ve been on the internet in the past two years you would pretty much know all of this. And everyone can listen and know her music
@@Spidey_Sparks you can be a fan. yes. let's accept that "swiftie" is an elevated level.
Orin's speech at the end is peak irony you just have to laugh
Orin was voted out by the other swifties because he’s the annoying type of Swiftie that gives all of us a bad rep
@@giulia6344 You do that yourselves.
@@AA-ed6ekwe’re not all the same bruv. Some of us can separate loving her music from loving her, and we are able to criticise her.
FRR
Honestly that’s how I’ve seen majority of swifties act like especially on Twitter. Orin is one of the thousands that have that mindset and all just to worship Taylor Swift. (Not saying all her fans are like that but they has been way too many toxic Taylor fans and it’s the fact that she doesn’t call them out which also bothers me)
Ron is actually so sweet for listening to his gf's taste
It’s Jon
@@martinguevarra5666Plot twist: It’s a random sentence with the idea that “Ron” is himself, the commenter.
@@catherinemesuelo1219 lol 😆
finally a positive comment omg
ron WEASLY
Taylor could be the biggest cult leader of all time if she wanted to 😭
Don't know what you talking about she already is.
you've obviously never heard of oli sykes then
@@ieevux wait, what about him? i listen to bmth but i havent heard of a cult o.o
I don’t just of a Taylor as jershey girl and very iconic the pink hair lady is giving iff
She literally is lol
I literally rofl'd when Orin said "we're focused on Swift being a role model and uplifting and people knowing their voices are heard, rather than fixing global warming and war in the Gaza Strip"
It's the classic "mental health vs. everything else" I guess.
“Uplifting other voices, but not ppl dying in Palestine, those voices keep em down”
cognitive dissonance fr
@@Yasreed no that's not correct.
Chrystale feeling rage inside as the person talked about Taylor Swift not speaking on Palestine FOR Taylor swfit and not for the victims..speaks volumes
exactly!!
Shows how privileged they are
@alovehotel that's exactly how I see her fans lol
Exactlyyyyyy! and the fact that she said taylor could talk about it quietly?? like no, everyone knows how much political influence she has even with the voting thing. she cant even manage a simple "ceasefire now"
@@suhay1a Picking a side is not going to change anything
As a Taylor Swift fan, watching these people flippantly brush off whatever wrong Blondie has done and continues to do is so infuriating. Like 'silently support'??? And then have the audacity to feel rage over it? Insanity. Hate to say this but every Swiftie in this episode (with the exception of the boyfriend fan) has proven exactly what SENSIBLE dislikers of Taylor Swift fans say: they're obsessive and will turn a blind eye to whatever she does.
Not to mention she is a POC
Like why are you guys doing exactly what white people want you to do
I bet she is not even socially aware of what's happening in Sudan and congo
I’m a huge swiftie too but I agree with u
and what wrong has blondie done exactly?
@@aayush5760 private jet usage? Not speaking about Palestinian cause? Not speaking about basically any issue at all? And if you are going to be one of the "celebrities don't owe us to raise awareness" excusers, don't bother replying. A boycott from entirety of Swift's fandom in the US has the power to hamper the US support for Israel tremendously but she won't speak up because it's not her problem.
A huge swiftie, but I agree. Don’t be mad when someone is speaking about the truth. Literally I was so mad when they said “I dont think this is the topic to bring up with a bunch of swifities in a box” I feel like this was the most bravest hater and they definitely needed to give those swifties a wake up call lol.
them brushing off the palestine issue was honestly dystopian to watch
yup espically orion :/ like what a privllege to be ignorant
Orrr maybe the whole truth of the matter is maybeee some of them dont support palestine including taylor?
like is this real
I agree, horrible what happened to the Jews. Stand with Israel.
@@hadassah6563 Do you mean to say maybe they all don't care about genocide or that they support it? I sure hope not.. It's not even about one nation vs another nation at this point. It's one of the most vile human rights crises in history, a genocidal massacre. I'd rather believe those who say nothing are just ignorant/ignoring the issue than to think they are well aware of what's happening and in full support of the genocide. 😔 I think the truth is that Taylpr probably doesn't want to "pick a side" because she sees it as a two sided issue, and that's an ignorant take since, like I said, it's genocide. It's not a nation vs nation war at this point. Never really was..
Jon is awesome. Respects and enjoys her music and doesn’t need to stalk or to prove himself a real “swiftie”.
Orin saying it’s not a topic for a box with Taylor Swift fans….for you to idolize someone soo much and make excuses for them is crazy 😭
U r a k-poppie you shouldn't be the one to make that advice 💀
@@Azarath_Metrion_Zinthoswhy are you so obsessed with this comment section LMAOO i've seen your comments a lot ?? like girl i promise taylor doesn't care abt you, obsessed asf for what ☠️
It’s true accept it or not stay in rage obsessed hypocrites @@Azarath_Metrion_Zinthos
@@Azarath_Metrion_Zinthos oh because I like a genre of music I can’t hold people accountable? I don’t idolize Kpop idols SOO much that I would ignore wrong doings or them being silent during a GENOCIDE.
@@whataboutthetea846so i guess you agree that all the kpop boys and girls you stan are guilty of supporting the genocide of Palestinians. And if you're not calling out kpop as an industry for the genocide, then you are just as compacent as them
Nothing wrong with being a fan of an artist, but the celebrity worship is really weird to me
Fr
Fr I like Taylor swift but I don’t worship her 😅
celebrity worship is genuinely concerning
You are new to concept of superstars?
@@percyweasley9301 stop being facetious, did they say they were new? Expressing a contrary opinion is still allowed.
small minded people..
Agreed
yeah i just found this video sad. they’re not talking about her talent, her music, etc. they’re obsessed with her as a person
orin says they shouldn’t bring up the palestine genocide in a room filled with swiftlets but then proceeds to say taylor swift is a role model and allows people’s voices to be heard?? lmao what??
THE WAY HE SAYS "ALLOWS PEOPLE VOICES TO BE HEARD" WHEN PALESTINE IS LITERALLY BEING SILENCED..... WHAT A HYPOCRITE
no no no allows white american swift fan's voices to be heard, i believe is what he meant
Timestamp??
@@Selinnaguz after the mole was exposed
@@Selinnaguz 15:12
What does supporting quietly do?? That was such an unintelligent thing to say.
Then the audacity to feel rage over it ?? They just brought up how she caused a huge rise in voting through JUST an article while playing. What does being silent do ? I do not believe that you can be a fan of someone if you are able to block them from criticism that could ultimately make them a better person. This is why no one likes swifties.
There's no genocide
@@aaq1655 this isn’t avatar the last air bender. Wake up or stop joining in on intelligent discussions.
What is saying "genocide bad" gonna do? Do you think the IDF cares about Taylor Swifts opinion on what they're doing? Be so serious, yall are so chronically online you don't realize how clownish your comments are.
@@Juzzzer I really hate that I have to share this beautiful earth with people like you. Common sense isn’t so common. It puts eyes and pressure on Palestine and our governments. If she was able to increase voting rates here with just an article, why wouldn’t you think “America’s princess”. Wouldn’t have a social impact on how the matter is being treated or discussed. Both me and Taylor are AMERICANS. AMERICA is what’s funding Israel. Now stop talking to me. It’s always the “chronically online” talking point losers who are always online with nothing to add. Get a hobby. There’s a genocide going on.
@@Blxckgfyou ate with that hekpfjkrvsbdvks and i agree.
Orin is an example of what happens when top artist don’t want to talk about current issues. When it’s all about the music they influence you to have the mindset of “let’s just not talk about this and ignore and keep living our privileged lives” while they keep making money off of you.
while I do agree with what you"re saying, I don't know the impact Taylor could have in these topics like the Palestine stuff. Of course, with her influence she can make ppl more aware of what's happening, but how would that benefit Palestine in a actual, meaningful way. (Not a Taylor swift fan btw, can't name 3 of her songs if I tried lol)
@@Blaxative601 her fans will eat up whatever she gives them. kehlani and numerous small artists with diverse audiences have made such impacts already. imagine the impact this iconic superstar with a large caucasian audience would create. they view her as a role model
@@moona5060 Eh thats not true ; her fanbase is divided when it comes to politics and other things
Yes, but how will that benefit Palestine, you know? There are issues and topics I believe she and a lot of celebrities can talk about that fans of their work can make a big difference in (Climate change, lgbtq rights, minority rights, etc). Stuff that her audience can change by living/viewing things differently. But how would that impact the bigger issues like the war in palestine? Like let's say I was a taylor swift fan who didnt know about about the Palestine situation. and let's say Taylor now dropped a song or something speaking about the issue and now I am aware and did my research. I still would have zero impact on how the issue is being handled, the only difference is that I am aware of it now. Am I making sense? @@moona5060
Wtf does Taylor Swift know about world politics? And why does she suddenly have a responsibility to speak about issues she may not be educated on? Like seriously get real. If you became the most famous person in the world tomorrow would you be taking college classes about world politics? It literally has nothing to do with her
being a fans is fine until you turn a blind eye over the fact that your idol use their influence and voice the current issues only for things/at times that are convenient to them (and this applies to all fanbase basically)
13:38 major respect IMMEDIATELY!!!! i m so glad someone brought it upp and also whatever else he said was considerable as well
“she could be silently supporting” is a JOOOKKKKEEEEE like really????
I agree. Silently supporting hamas is bad too. 👎
Or alternatively she doesn't care?? Not everybody supports Islamic terrorism. The silent majority is with Israel. The loud tiktokers are with the terrorists. Celebrities have no place in politics.
Disappointing
I mean she did go to a fundraiser to support Palestine.
so did she support that joke about camera angles about her quietly too then since she didnt react lmao
So going back to being a millionaire from a Billionaire automatically makes you ethical again? 😂😂😂
people praised jk rowling for it so yeah her fans would eat it up
what do you think wealth redistribution is about? It should be more radical than just stopping at being a millionaire, but we live in a capitalist world not a perfect one
@@y3llow00 I get that but I’m saying if just being a billionaire makes you none ethical, giving more money away doesn’t automatically make you more ethical. How you make your money in the first place determines if and how ethical you are in my mind. You can give all you want and still be a “bad” person.
@@tgonnabfamous13That's a fair point. And wealth redistribution should be done via taxes anyway, not individual billionaires picking and choosing who and what is "worthy" of their charity. I've been on the receiving end of that, and let me tell you, it feels gross.
@@violett874 very great point
as a swiftie i 100% agree with what charlie/dogface said. taylor has so much influence and she should use it
ur so rite! i love taylor but with the international platform she has she could influence the world in such a positive way by just once speaking out against genocide
agreed! she has so much power and can make such a difference if she were to speak out!
Absolutely. I’d still like rock but at least I’d gain immensely more respect for her if she used her influence more. She could literally change the world..
yes same
On the flip side, I come to Taylor Swift to sing and clap and be entertained. She doesn't exactly have the best track record for speaking out on political issues (she kinda made her coming out in support of LGBT about herself in a way). I don't want to hear a billionaire talk about politics. I don't go to her to learn about the gaza/palestine situation the same way I don't go to my political youtubers to lay down funky beats.
15:17 is this guy for real like his whole speech was just him contradicting himself
I don’t care about celebrities making a statement but it is kind of awkward that Taylor Swift made a whole documentary about being political and an activist and then dropped that
Yup, perfect example of performative activism
She's only vocal about it when it benefits her. Everything she does seems performative but Swifties eat it up every time. And this is coming from someone who's been a fan of her music for 10+ years.
she like most celebrities who are "political" are just catering to their audience, I dunno why people still for this when its so obvious🌚just like people who used to think Ellen Dewhat her face was "political" or "decent" tbh. If a celebrity was really political they would talk about something not many people know that actually impacts them or take a stand once in a while against the popular opinion -_-
the documentary had a total of 10 mns of political talk... "a whole documentary" be for real
She didnt „drop it“ tho?
Imagine being this obsessed with another human like this?
what about sports fans?
Better than sports fans who break things if their team loses
@@callie5593 im yet to meet a sports fan who knows their favorite athletes dogs by name, and knows their favorite food... this is insanity
@callie5593 u brain dead. The op's statement applies to everyone even sports. He didn't say except sports.
I know imagine taking the time to watch videos related to that person just to spread hate
At this point, liking Taylor Swift could be a religion 💀
fr fr fr fr fr fr fr
with every other celebrities
666th like
her fans be culty asf 💀💀
and I'd join it
as a swiftie im scared of these swifties because wtf 😭😭
I KNOW. i’ve been a swiftie for years but apparently you’re not considered a swiftie unless you know her mother’s maiden name, the name of her first pet, and her social security number 😐😐
@@rae-ou5hfFRR and ur not a swiftie if u don’t know like EVERY LITTLE THING ABT HER like why can’t I just be a swiftie cus I like her music 😭😭😭
Charlie had the best reason to dislike taylor swift because she is really a performative activist and only uses the feminist card when it is beneficial to her. I appreciate Charlie/Dogface so much ❤❤❤
Yeah, compared to other artists who use the feminist card much more efficiently to benefit everyone.
@@Sahbaz83like what though?
GEZE! His name is Dogface
@@barnaby4232girl everything.. she only speaks on “feminism” when someone criticizes her. But she can’t speak up for the women being sexually abused and bombed in Gaza. Yeah it’s performative and shows she only uses her “white feminism” so people will feel bad for her
@@barnaby4232 I think it was sarcastic. It must be.
my jaw actually fell to the floor when she said supporting quietly
Is she not embarrassed by that like
the people in palestine would throw “dog face” off a building for being trans … lol you’re a hypocrite
terrible to say ‘oh every other billionaire has a bad carbon footprint so it’s fine when she does it’ when her fuel emissions are 10x any other celebrity. you don’t just forget about the damage that does to the environment because everyone else is doing it.
Agreed
She’s #77 on fuel emissions. Try checking your facts next time and go complain about the other 76 people on the list first
@@megship I hope this comment is ironic because there are over 8 billion humans on earth and to be defending someone in the top 100 people using gas emissions is literally such a wild stance.
@@skoorbryanthey didn’t say she was excused they simply pointed out the inaccuracy of the original comment, additionally Taylor’s flights make next to no difference on climate change it is beyond minuscule.
@@megshipLMAO u need help
Cringed when they defended her private jet use because "other people are doing it too" and she "rents out her private jet". IT DOESNT MAKE IT ANY BETTER. This is coming from someone who flew to another country to see her live
But she needs it to get around, and her safety takes priority. She can’t drive with all the stage equipment. And she can’t get across the ocean. And it would be really really dangerous for her to not fly by herself. Don’t buy tickets and waste your time if you can’t even defend her safety.
She has no other way of getting around. Also, she has done lots of work to reduce her carbon emissions as well, and isn’t even on the list of the top celebrities jet usage.
but why is Taylor the ONLY person who you guys talk about ? she isn't even in the top 50 of jet use
supporting quietly is insane.. 😭
and not to mention, her being black makes it worse because didn’t ur own people suffer as well?
fr like how is that helpful at all??
people are so privileged and so ignorant its insane
She is black as well which is disappointing of her to say
people should be loudly condemning hamas
wow that end bit is CRAZY. you can like a celebrity but to go as far as to forgive every single negative thing they’ve done/do is INSANITY! you can like taylor swift and at the same time acknowledge that her silence is complicity and her carbon emissions are crazy. im begging these people to open their eyes to the bigger picture
yo idk why everyone's bashing taylor because of the "carbon emissions" bro??? Go check the list she's not even in top 30
Cognitive dissonance at its finest
@@cumrizzmeup not being in the top 30 is the bare minimum😭
did you ever take a second to think that they just don’t care about that in general not because it’s taylor doing it lmao
I agree, and the whole thing abt her RENTING her private jet??? How does that justify her private jet issue? You shouldn't have a private jet in the first place(at least not when you are this famous and this active socially)The carbon emissions are still hers even if she rents it to other ppl, she rents it so she could get paid while some anonymous dude uses her jet and produce carbon emission.SHE GETS PAID! She's saving money cause she couldn't afford the jet to just be there and stay there not emitting anything, lol.
As a Taylor fan who wishes she would speak out, Orins answer was horrific. I hate that a lot of her fans are like that :(
same !!
Yeah she should have speak out about the hamas attack on 7/10.
SHE SHOUDVE SPEAKEN ABOUT THE 75 YEARS OF OPPRESION IN PALESTINE THAT IS JUST GETTING WORSE BY EVERY DAY!@@DGoldy303
@@DGoldy303I'd you were a fan you knew that she even attended a pro Palestine event. And she was criticized for that. People these days can't have an opinion, but neither can stay quiet because people are gonna criticize anyway. And an artist is not responsible for their fans political opinions.
Anyone else who thought John was the Mole, and his girlfriend was the real Swiftie?
I think It would have been too on the nose, but of course I thought about It haha. You can get to hate something when you have someone obsessed with it around.
Ok Charlie talking about about her not speaking up about the genocide happening in Palestine is the best part of this episode.
Why? Why should she? Why should she speak out on either side? She stayed out of it, and that’s what she needed to do.
The conflict isn't black and white. She would be causing lots of arguments and hate by choosing a side publicly.
@@elephant1871um why wouldn’t she? she has a huge platform that could help raise awareness and donations. staying silent while a genocide happens isn’t the ‘win’ you think it is.
@@lemmonaadeexcept the fact it is, it is genocide, Israeli "civilians" putting up tents in front of the border and protesting against humanitarian aid entering gaza (not that all israelis support this), where plus 30000 people are confirmed dead. More than 100000 are estimated to e dead between those who disappeared those who are still under the rubble, they are getting starved,humiliated, tortured after being in an open air prison for 17y, after being under occupation for 75y. It wasn't black and white when this started and bibi’s lies weren't so obvious, it starts being black and white when u get past ur Islamophobia and racism and get informed on what's happening. She gets hate for anything and everything, getting hate isn't something anyone that famous could avoid, this is important, she's a feminist but apparently white feminism only support women when they want to take off the hijab, it's not valid when they want to wear it or when they are forced to use torn up tents as pads in gaza
@@lemmonaade so sad that she would be causing arguments while a whole genocide is happening. it shouldn’t have to be ‘black and white’ for someone to speak up about it.
Orin saying that he cares more about Taylor Swift uplifting people who’s voices aren’t heard was probably the most hypocritical thing he could’ve said…the whole problem with the war occurring in Palestine is the fact that Palestinians are being cut off from the world and slaughtered silently if you have as much influence as Taylor you should advocate for what you believe in and her saying absolutely nothing says volumes about her beliefs and morals
And if she does speak up then, the community of people for the Jews are going to hate on her for choosing a side so. 😬
She's literally on the biggest tour of all time, if she speaks about that topic then her public is in danger
@@aimar2918Absolutely
Or maybe we can just respect the fact that she wants to stay silent.
@@Cerxts Yeah people don't have to speak up on every issue that exists ever, no one's denying the war is an issue, it's horrible, but not everyone has to talk about it
Regardless whether you like or dislike her... knowing her pets by name, aswell as her favorite food and other trivial things like that is actual psychopathic behavior
I agree and I think Taylor swift would also agree lol
There’s plenty of people who could see that info one time and remember it🤣 it’s really not that crazy lol her pets are named after super well known tv characters
Maybe people know her pets by name because one of them has a greater net worth than her boyfriend. 😉
Eh. What people do for funzies is none of my business.
If its a trivia about a youtuber I watch, I think I'd be able to answer most of them. Imagine there's some people who use twitter n insta as much as i watch youtube, then they would defo know these just bc its on the background. Not like they're obsessively tryna know that info(not all at least)
really ironic for orin to say taylor's purpose is to let people know that their voices can be heard to then completely diminish and not hear charlie's voice
"supporting quietly" and the Orin speech at the end... lmao be fr, delulu talk 100%
“I felt a little rage inside” - Chrystale
Celebrity worshiping at its finest!
Exactly!!! Charlie said nothing about HATING Taylor they just said how they weren't into pop music and that she isn't speaking up on the genocide like what's make u rage!?!?!
the last few minutes actually PROVED why taylor needs to speak up about palestine because if a majority of her fans are anything like the ones in this video, they will switch their beliefs from whatever they had before and do what she says, and actually worry about real life issues like a GENOCIDE rather than their own twisted parasocial relationship with her.
Taylor didn't speak up against the 7/10 hamas attack in Israel but you expect her to speak up about the mysterious "genocide"? Haha!
She needs to speak about genocide. This is a seripus world topic. People are being killer.
This needs to be adressed. No one should be ignorant
And if she'll say support Israel, How would it make you feel?
i’m a taylor swift fan and i support palestine and i think she should speak about it but we don’t know everything and shouldn’t be quick to judge because she has gone to fundraisers for palestine but there’s nothing that she can actually really do is there?
That is BRAVE of you to assume that all swifties support Palestine. When in reality I do not 1000000% and for any reason u may think. I’m a huge swiftie and I know many More that agree with me
Whatever orin blabbed at the end was so self contradicting LMAO
14:06 girl,, feeling rage for what?? she doesn’t know you exist omg, they called her out rightfully so like they should’ve.
anyways, the fans who love her yet call her out and know that they can criticize her actions are the definition of real fans in my opinion. that’s how every fan for any artist should be (my opinion btw)
His take at the end was so wrong. She's a musician not a politician. She doesn't have to speak about anything! We don't need Taylor Swift to tell us that war is bad, we all already know that! She can't say anything that hasn't been said already!
her rage is valid af!
Agreed. She could atleast spread awareness about it instead of being completely silent.
@@Victori.A1 Okay but she could atleast spread awareness about it?? she literally has 105.27 million listeners on spotify. His take was completely valid.
@@Victori.A1 It's literally not. Taylor swift doesn't even know she exists.
I expect this behavior from kids and teens...not young adults.
You poor thing. It gets worse
Orin’s 35 😅
Age is not a barrier
@@elclassico6388*🤨*
oh you must be fun..
No hate l but why do Swiftes know every detail of her life? It goes for everything why make it your personality!
Because she's leading artist of this decade. Her music has so much of her personal details and her life plus she is an idol for so many and people want to know their idol?
@@mystical-dc9vk calling her an idol explains it all. Obsessed
Fr, this level of obsession is only seen in kpop fandoms
And they want to argue it isnt cult like
Have we watch the same video? 😂, apparently a lot of these swifties gad errors while answering
“Girl supporting girl” has to be the most illogical defence.
The way people are obsessed with Taylor for her and not her music is insane. Like those facts - that only her best friends or family should know is basically their mantra and in the forefront of their memories. That’s freaky. Swifties are almost cult like.
I get what you’re saying but this could be said about other celebs. What makes swifties so different???
@@tastssy People don't worship Robert DeNiro like he is a king or something. Get real.
@@tastssy if you ask most fans of other singers or bands etc. I am 99% sure majority of them don’t know what names their cats have, their pet peeves or their Starbucks order. But if you ask a Swiftie. I would guess majority of them know these little details bout her personal life. Most fans of celebrities just know them for their professional works or their music. I am a huge fan of a few bands. Literally know their lyrics front to back. But if you ask me, what their birthday is - I would draw a blank. Or who they dated. I would not even know or bother to know. I love them solely for their music. But Swifties love Taylor for her music + her personal lifestyle choices + her personal life details (like fav color, fav foods etc) which I find quite extreme and obsessive.
@@mprice6683 hahaha exactly!!!
That’s part of her brand, so idk how it’s insane. Y’all be insane with politicians, boyfriends, husbands, etc, but let it be a musical artist and there’s a problem.
Orin saying "It's not that we don't care about the war on the gaza strip but we're more focused on Taylor being uplifting and a role model and letting people know that their voices can be heard" is such a tone deaf contradictory statement
exactly!!
Not really. He's just saying it isn't Taylor's place to get involved in something so grim.
@@sciencecompliance235 “letting people know that their voices can be heard” and what about Palestinian voices?
Really happy that dogface/charlie said that "she shouldn't be supporting silently".
yess!!
but shes allowed to. she a celeb not a politician
Nobody cares about Palestine
Palestine is done bruh 😭
i'm glad i'm not a celebrity cause imagine people disliking you for not speaking up about every war that happens in the world
i will never understand why some people think celebs need to speak out on everything..
That's not necessarily the case. People actually think incredibly influential celebrities like Taylor should speak on these topics, especially if the celebrity's demeanor is "uplifting" and "helpful". Moreover if she has already talked about political and societal problems, it's weird not to talk about a country in literal shambles including so much harm to the people. With her platform she can do so much, as you've literally seen in this video.
“Silently support” cut the cameras *deadass*
What the Internet is expecting;
Taylor: " hey guys, gen0 cide bad!"
I sraeli government: "welp, I guess we have to stop. Taylor Swift doesn't approve"
🤡
@@Victori.A1 literally no one’s expecting that we just want her to show support for Palestine, no one with a brain thinks that it’ll stop the Israeli government 💀
@@Victori.A1
The obvious reason why Taylor is staying completely silent is because she knows that the instanr she brings up what's happening in palestine, she'll lose all her money.
@@Victori.A1thank you!!!!!❤
@@crrtca there's no point in doing that!!!! It's not going to change anything!!!!
As a Swiftie, Dogface has a point. You gotta use your influence to speak up for others who can’t speak for themselves and bring attention to causes you have the power to change for the better.
I think most other Swifties her would also disagree with Orin (edited for spelling mistakes)
its hard to take a trans gay anarchist seriously. theyre the last people to listen to when talking about world crisis
@@ajnegro2052 that guy just made a fool of himself
@@RJBricks-1001 Exaclty. And people supporting him makes me lose hope ngl
I love how renting out her private jet somehow made the excessive private jet use better?
To me that just sounds like Taylor a) getting money from people she knows when she absolutely does not need more money (it's only "hustle" when you're not already filthy rich), and b) she doesn't need to rent it out, she could just have it not fly when she isn't using it and pay for the upkeep to control her emissions better.
you drive a car every day. its the same thing
@@giggletron69LMAO it's not the same thing, it's not even comparable. A regular person's emissions aren't even close to a private jet owner's.
@@lithia4483 okay.. but have you seen the carbon emission list of celebrites? there are many other people we could be bashing, taylor isnt even on the top 30. yall just like hating on a successful white woman, just say it
@@giggletron69didn’t she take a 34 minute flight just to see her boyfriend for a day just take the drive
this was my favorite reveal ever on this channel charlie is actually the coolest person ever
No direct hate towards Taylor but calling her “best lyricist of our time” is insane
Who is it then and cite the lyrics you think. And yes, she is the best of our time, her pen game is insane.
Like at that point, you’re just prejudice 😭💀
@@CrustyBroBugskanye west.
@@CrustyBroBugsshe is not the best of our time. She’s brilliant, not the best. The best lyricists, truly, you’ll never see because they’re writing the songs for artists
agree
She really thought she ate with the 'supporting quietly' line jahsjhsjhsh
Lol
bc she did lol
Cause she did eat that
Some people are in too deep bro 💀
True
My breaking point with Swifties was when they compared her to Micheal Jackson
@@Yoest.1They’re delusional 😭
I was obsessed,a huge fan of a band. I took a few steps down when I became so close to the band that I knew people from the management. Knowing too much and knowing all those other obsessed fans were SCARY. I promised that I wouldn't become such a huge fan of anything ever again. These people are reminding me of those years and I felt kind of scared.
I really appreciate the fact that they’re not mad at him because he doesn’t like Taylor Swift
some of them are secretly mad for sure
@@ludzeppelinDidn't know you were a mind-reader 😂
@@denilsonzaslavski1989 you can tell orin was pissed off by his comment at the end (FILLLED with contradictions , might I add) and Chrystale literally shared how she felt a rage inside bffr😭😭😭
I think that was the first time in history that any Taylor swift fan didn’t rage when someone didn’t like Taylor, props to them.
@@denilsonzaslavski1989 14:05
15:11 this is such a crazy thing to say omg??? no one asked her to solve anything, just to speak up
Fr,, damn it’s the bare minimum
“Let’s just ignore this, we’re definitely concerned but let’s focus on being uplifted even though we’re not the ones being oppressed or targeted for genocide”. 💀 that’s what I heard
Exactly. Loved Orin till he said that 🤢
I though the same thing! Like what a delulu take lol
Fr like there is literally a whole genocide going on and thats all u gotta say for urself
Putting genocide and global warming in the same category is kinda crazy
Frrr
Why tho?
why
@@hhellyxoxo Comparing global warming to genocide, such as the conflict between Israel and Palestine, is highly inappropriate and problematic. Genocide involves intentional and systematic violence targeting specific groups of people based on their identity, while global warming is a complex phenomenon driven by human activities like burning fossil fuels and deforestation. Equating the two minimizes the gravity of genocide, which represents one of the darkest aspects of human history, characterized by mass atrocities and profound suffering. Additionally, genocide is a crime under international law with identifiable perpetrators, whereas global warming does not fit within the legal framework of genocide and lacks intentional human agency to the same extent. Such comparisons risk diverting attention and resources away from the urgent need to address the root causes and consequences of global warming, hindering efforts to combat climate change effectively...
@@blackhartz0wait I'm so confused on your point. Genocide is horrible and indefensible but so I'd global warming. Especially because both come from the same root cause of greed and capitalism. I'm just confused on why you think they can't be compared when they're both horrible things that are happening today.
kate: i’m suspicious of linnea because there’s so much taylor swift going on
orin: *am i joke to you* 👁️👄👁️
As a swiftie, I 100% agree about what Charlie had to say about Taylor and Palestine and it BOILS my blood when I see other swifties talking about how it's not her job to speak up, or that she can be supporting quietly. By that logic, why does the YNTCD music video exist? Why did she vocally talk about the bill she sent to the white house? Why did she make a song called "Only The Young", which talks about injustice and how corrupt the government can be?? Also, what Orin said is so... ew. What do you mean we are more focused on Taylor Swift than the issues concerning other people, especially when the issue is genocide?? Being a swiftie is not an occupation, it should not disturb you from speaking up on injustice. And about her solving all the world's problems, who is expecting that?? She has influence, and she can do so much with it. Like someone mentioned, many voted just because she talked about it on IG. Why deny that she has that power on issues such as this?
Again, I love her music SOO much and adore her lyricism, but I cannot make excuses for her on such stuff. The reason why it disappoints me so much is because she herself painted her image as a person who speaks on injustice. She made many feels like she cares. Well, apparently, not enough to speak on innocent people dying.
Ain't reading allat 😂
100% AGREED!!!
you are literally speaking facts. Taylor and so many celebrities have the ability to change the lifes of so many Palestinians but they would rather stay quiet?!!!!! it doesnt make any sense.
I don’t like Taylor swift
She supports lgbtq and pro choice and is very liberal and even supports the Palestine and she did witch craft and wore a demon mask saying summon the demons and she even endorsed Joe Biden and told people to vote for him and then calls her self a Christian like NO your not Taylor stop lying and she even said that’s the true Christianity which is the biggest lie I’ve ever heard
I didn’t read your entire comment so my response is only to the first half but I agree. It’s a bit of a contradiction because they said “there are no ethical billionaires” and that Taylor should donate to go back down to a millionaire yet they don’t think it’s her responsibility to speak up about issues concerning other people lol?
These Swifties did not pass the vibe check. Charlie, or should I say "Dogface" had a totally valid point. This entire segment video shows how crazy Taylor Swift fans could be and that how strong her influence is. If she could just utter one word about Gaza/Palestine that could really make a difference cuz her entire fandom would swarm to help and fund since "she spoke about it" but she chooses not to. And that's every celeb ftm, Charlie brought it up in this scenario only because the group and the entire setting was conformed to Taylor Swift. Not that they solely wanted to blame Taylor for the whole thing, they were just making a valid point that yes she could speak up but she doesnt!
Question: if someone went by “Daddy” are you calling them Daddy
Her saying one word about it wouldn’t do anything, idk why you look to celebrities for this kind of thing, look to governments and the UN.
hamas doesnt want a ceasefire neither does israyel so what she gonna do
@@FiveMissilesyou’re wrong. hamas agreed to a ceasefire agreement, so did israel, but then they were forced to back out because israel decided to change almost every detail to basically be a non permanent ceasefire. you can google this.
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it bothers me that they were saying 'taylor is about letting ur voice be heard' and then they were like BuT TaYLoR DoESnT NEeD To SpEAk oN PaLEStINE like u cant have both
nothing new. that’s white feminism for you.
BRO FR!!
Literally, so contradicting
It’s so hypocritical
She's not an expert.....she's staying in her lane
1:36 "the best lyricism of our time" oh lord😭😭😭
I’m not being rude, but who else do you think would have better lyrics than her? It’s all in opinions, to me I believe she could be. But what do you think?
@ sufjan stevens, thom yorke, fiona apple, black country new road, and hozier just to name a few-- taylor's writing can be pretty but imo it doesn't hit like a lot of other artists do🤷♀️
@@goforapunch yeah that’s okay, I appreciate ur opinion! :)
@@princessmoneystackz yeah! art's subjective at the end of the day, it's not really my style but if it has a lot of meaning to you then that's great^
loving the respectfulness in the replies
Jon was lowkey so wholesome 😭❤️
the part where they were listing off her family's names was lowkey creepy
Knowing a celebrity's parents' name isn't creepy. It takes two seconds to memorize someone's first name. The majority of people who are fans of celebs normally know the parents names too. Yall just do too much.
thats not true at all lmao and its still creepy@@ddonsaintlaurent
It’s not that creepy, it’s easy to search famous people’s parents or siblings on google.
it was her parents... every swiftie knows their names
@@giggletron69 which is creepy
taylor swift saying something about palestine would make a big difference. like how she got a lot of ppl to vote just by one story post like kate said
What could she possibly do?! U think her posting abt it will stop the war that's oldee than her grandma? Voting in her home country and a war between two foreign countries r completely different things
Honestly I believe celebrities need to mind their own business and butt out of Hollywood. Not every single tragedy needs a statement.
maybe she supports israel, who knows... i mean that would be better
@@onlyonce4543 maybe not stop the war but she could bring awareness and even give support to the Palestinian people like idk with money
Exactly, like why do people think celebrities have to be political, that's literally not what they want their career to be for, especially when it's about subjects they don't know enough about- I saw people posting so many false things just because of how easy it is to press "share", I'm glad some celebrities know better. @@Stormy_Cloud
i agree with Charlie/Dogface 100%, i can't like a celebrity like her who only does performative activism and says nothing about the biggest things that matter
Maybe because thats not her job 😭
@@Idkanymore567 its not abt being her job, shes one of the most influent people of the world rn and maybe if she actually said something abt the genocide, like charlie/dogface said, people would actually start to realize that whats happening in gaza needs to be stopped and would actually try and do something. its rather mor about being a human yk
Dogface ate them up at the end
YESS!!
No, he didn't. Buddy embarrassed himself and made a political statement. Probably unemployed...
@@JM-yn8mbyou when you find out everything is exactly that… political: 😱🫨
so what does being an activist mean smth less?@@JM-yn8mb
@@JM-yn8mbfr
Dogface ate with the comment about Palestine.
I was a Swiftie up until recently when I realized how performative her activism is. To make a whole segment in your documentary saying you are going to be more vocal now with politics since you have a big voice, only to not use it. Same thing goes with Selena Gomez. Bare minimum would have been signing the ceasefire letter, that even Joe had the decency to sign.
exactly me too. was a huge defender of hers until recently. she is just a coward
go fight for palestine if u care so much then. bet u wont do shi about it
@@ajnegro2052 okay gf… ig i can’t save you from the cult you are in
Exactlyyyyy!!!
@@ajnegro2052There is nothing to fight for. There is no war. Its gemocide
'best lyricism of all time' is crazy
Opinions exist???
@@bunez69x rhyming car with bar in multiple songs isn't great lyricism
@@bunez69xwell her opinion was 💩
@@somfs1459theres so much more to lyricism than rhyming 😂
And when you have written over 200 released songs and even more unreleased songs, chances are there are some similar rhymes.
That’s because she is hope this helps x
as a taylor fan, I actually feel enraged that she isn't speaking up about the genocide being committed on the Palestinians and for those swifties to not care and to say things like "this is about Taylor being uplifting and a role model" is absolutely insane. check your privilege (ESPECIALLY orin and chrystale).
She's probably not allowed to. Yes, she could probably try, but her publicist probably doesn't let her. People need to realize that most celebrities are basically puppets and if they're told not to do something that might jeopardize their career, then they'll probably listen.
charlie/dogface did SO FCKING WELL AT THE END. its scary to watch hypocrisy driven by celebrity worship blindness. people cannot see their own biases, and there is no excuse. and the excuses they tried to make just make them look uselessly defensive, which they are. I wish i had more friends like him.
its scary to see people supporting a trans gay anrchist as well lmaooo
Scary to see trans gay people in society
Like Charlie has no bias. Everyone is bias toward something.
I'm a Swiftie but definitely think Taylor should use her platform more to talk about current issues.
She won't
No she shouldn’t
@@greenlemonboy9762 the problem is she said it herself that she'll use her widening audience to be more vocal about issues, but she's being silent
“More focused on Taylor Swift being uplifting and being a role model and letting people know that their voices can be heard” It's almost like Taylor speaking on Palestine WOULD be uplifting, a huge role model to many, and WOULD let the Palestinians voices be heard???? orin's ignorance is wild
Palestinians are awful to the LGBT, why should Taylor care about them
“I don’t go by Charlie I go by Dogface” that was an OWOP JUMPSCARE
Loved Charlie using this platform to speak up about current events and how Tay Swift can do better! 🙂
the directors probably told him to say it for a boost in the comment section
Dude any celebrity can do better then…👀🙄 tbh it’s not Taylor’s problem or anyone’s problem except for Palestine…
@@Quiltedcobra_529 PD: Your comment is exactly what is wrong with american culture, everything is ''It's not my problem, it's yours'' and as swiftie its so sad to see that there are people in this fandom that doesn't care, and it's not because you're a swiftie, it's because you're PRIVILIGED.
@@giggletron69He's the hater because he's an anarchist. Anarchists are passionate about issues such as genocide. I don't see why the producers would need to tell him to say anything.
@@Quiltedcobra_529dude, don’t say that. actually not ok. the whole “not my problem if it doesn’t directly affect me” is an awful attitude
I cannot believe Dogface could walk away with their huge balls on the ground. That was the best end of the video.
Massive respect to Charlie talking abt 🍉
Watermelons?
@@AdanSolas watermelons are a symbol for palestine
@@user.withoutaname Yeah, I know. I just find it funny.
@@AdanSolasyeah we’re totally laughing with you
MASSIVE MASSIVE RESPECT. Thank you to them from the bottom of my heart ❤
The moment he failed to sing All too well, we ALL knew 😅
Dogface stood ten toes down and I respect that!!!
they saw their shot to say something important and they took it (politely!)
Love how Charlie is speaking up about the Palestin* that is so brave & yes, a big celebrity like Taylor Swift shud definitely used her platform!!!!!
Thanks charlie!
Why ONLY HER? THere are others...
In this political climate it's braver to speak up in support of Israel actually. And I don't know why everybody just assumes that everyone supports Palestine because they don't obviously civilians getting hurt anywhere is bad but what is being shown in the mainstream media is not accurate it's been debunked many times
@@percyweasley9301 because she literally is one of the celebrity with the most influence in the world. And other celebrities also got criticized for not speaking up, so it's not "only her".
@@Yuu-d7b what about beyonce, jayZ olive
I was surprised and I'm glad one one of them has their priorities straight
Charlie is standing with humanity, unlike others. I love Charlie for being so passionate about Palestine this is how it should be. To the swiftis who get offended by ppl criticizing Taylor grow up. No one is saying she should solve the genocide. She has so much influence that if she posts about Palestine one time it would be enough. FREE PALESTINE, end the genocide, end the occupation, permanent ceasefire. 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
No? She shouldn’t be saying anything at all. She should just let things play out.
Dogface*
@@AdanSolas She doesn’t HAVE to say anything, but with her giant fanbase, and having influence over people in higher powers in the US, she should say something.
@@user.withoutaname I didn’t say that she had to say anything. I’m saying that she *shouldn’t* say *anything* at all.
@@AdanSolas and.. why shouldn’t she?
THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING ABOUT PALESTINE OMG I WAS PRAYING SOMEONE WOULD. there's actually no such thing as supporting quietly on this issue btw!!
orin was insufferable and so was chrystale. being so obsessed with someone who doesn’t even know you exist is EXTREMELY weird.
Fr we’re at a stalking point that’s considered normal
its so arrogant too how they brushed off the thing about palestine, it was so dystopian fr😭
@@ayajwon.8 it is only because if Swift chooses to be silent about it, they think that it is also ok for them to be like that. It just shows again how much power this woman has if she ever chooses to use it
They don’t sound like fans they seem obsessed . 🤷🏽♀️
Yeah cuz Swifties are a cult
@@JustinBoccino we are not, some are just passionate and grew up with her music that is not anything like a cult💀
@@taylana3331y'all are a cult bffr
@@taylana3331”some are just passionate” some of you literally act like your whole purpose in this universe is to bootlick A SINGER and defend them with your life??
@@fairy_is_aerinah we ain’t, it’s the “OmG tAyLoR iS tHe BeSt I aM gOnNa StAlK hEr”swifties that give us the bad image
charlie ate his speech up
even as a swiftie i 100% agree with him😭