I'm a big guy, and I've been in 4 "fights" (as an adult). Every one of them was people sucker-punching me. 2 of them was in the back of the head. I never had to hit back, the "fights" ended with me eating the punch and looking angry but calm, and them leaving. 3 of them was just me and them, and in one it was a group of 4, I think, but I'm not 100% sure. I don't know how much you can take from that, but in my opinion, being able to not panic and being able to take a punch has saved my ass. Realistically, I think boxing is the best martial art to prepare you for situations that a man is likely to get into. Having some wrestling is great, but people wont, in my experience, come up to you and start wrestle. Either you'll be able to talk yourself out of a fight, or you'll get punched by someone who can't throw a good punch. (This is in my experience, and I'm 38 btw)
I agree, I love boxing but want to learn how to wrestle just in case. I pray to God I dont ever get into an altercation but better to know it and not need it than need it and not know it.
IF he's better in the striking range, you want to clinch, and find out if he is also good there. IF he's good in the clinch, you can push him out to striking range, and see if he is also good there. IF you end up on the ground, you will have to know how to handle yourself there.
lmao I appreciate your perspective here. Using boxing by itself, and using the same boxing you'd use in a ring as you would in a street fight you might get humbled real quick. However, I believe that you make the art work for you. YOU make it work. You can't just box in the gym and then expect your 1 hour a night 3 to 5 nights a week to make you comparable to Iron Mike of Floyd Mayweather. You must train your drills, stress test your drills, and be open minded enough to train new scenarios and combine other techniques with your skill set. Then, you need to spar with other martial artists, wrestlers, grapplers, kickers, knife and stick guys, and you gotta be willing to learn from them all. A good boxer who learns some wrestling, learns some kicks, and learns the difference in dynamics between standing up and punching or kicking, and then working on the ground on his/her back, against someone who's determined, can be much deadlier than someone who just does boxing. Cross train. Be humble. Be willing to learn from everyone.
How could it be good self defense, if you only learn to defend yourself from strikes. But BJJ also has issues, grip fighting, 90% of Jujutsu, is a useless art, when strikes are allowed.
I coach all three ranges, striking clinch and ground. Striking allows you to maintain distance (so you can run, or in case he has friends). Striking, if you don't suck, allows for an immediate end to the fight in knockouts (if you were coached correctly.) The other two ranges are important, but once you clinch, your hands are occupied. If he has friends - trouble. The ground is even worse for this. But a fighter should know all three ranges.
Thx ! Informative video ! Wondering what you teach for punching range strikes with force (not distraction strikes like an eye jab) ? Is a palm strike going to be effective enough as most people don't have extra wrist flexibility to allow the bottom of the palm that's in line with the wrist bones to hit first and unless you bend the tips of your fingers down to the base of the fingers they can get broken if your palm misses or is off center of the the target while one of your fingers hits it and snaps back . Hammer fists are only effective in the short range if you get position above the person to strike downward.
Come to Muay Thai bro. Why palm strike and hammer fist and risk being in the punching range of some untrained, unpredictable, possibly larger guy throwing haymakers? That’s what most street fights are. Instead you can defend yourself with low kicks and clinch strikes, both of which keep your head away from the only thing most people know how to do, which is punch.
I wouldn’t go as far as to say “Boxing doesn’t address these at all…”, but I understand where you’re coming from. Tying up hands, over hooks, under hooks, frames, etc. are CRUCIAL tools every boxer should at least have in their bag, if not be fairly proficient at. Also, if you’re a moderately above average boxer, you know that your options for defending yourself aren’t limited to “knocking someone out”. The skills I mentioned above could corral your “drunk uncle” without throwing a punch and if a punch is required, I am unaware of any reason why you’d only be able to target head and hunting a KO to boot. A mild rap of knuckles across the liver would buckle most people, as would a breezy jab to the solar plexus. I am in now way saying I disagree with the notion that every individual should strive to be well rounded, capable in many areas while possessing the wisdom and restraint to utilize said skills when the situation dictates it. Not “Hey bro, I was gonna park there” followed by haymakers.
I think it actually depends on the boxing gym. You don't need to learn to wrestle, kick, or grapple to deal with a wrestler, kicker, or grappler. But you need to get some additional training to deal with them. Some gyms may address this better than others.
Man, you make a really good point with utilizing boxing skills without actually punching. I also really like your point about just some body shots dropping somebody or slowing them down without actually having to hit them in the face. I think most of us, when we think about Punching and boxing in particular, we think about the knockout shot. I know that’s what was on the forefront of my mind talking in this video. Thank you for the insight.
@JamesClingerman One thing I recommend to see what I mean is to take a look at Krav Maga videos. Much of what they do is bad boxing, compared to what a true boxer does, but with a little extra stuff to deal with grappler and kick boxers (and focus not how they kick, but deal with when they get kicked). Just imagine what a true boxer could do with just a little of that krav maga stuff.
I'm a big guy, and I've been in 4 "fights" (as an adult). Every one of them was people sucker-punching me. 2 of them was in the back of the head.
I never had to hit back, the "fights" ended with me eating the punch and looking angry but calm, and them leaving.
3 of them was just me and them, and in one it was a group of 4, I think, but I'm not 100% sure.
I don't know how much you can take from that, but in my opinion, being able to not panic and being able to take a punch has saved my ass. Realistically, I think boxing is the best martial art to prepare you for situations that a man is likely to get into.
Having some wrestling is great, but people wont, in my experience, come up to you and start wrestle.
Either you'll be able to talk yourself out of a fight, or you'll get punched by someone who can't throw a good punch.
(This is in my experience, and I'm 38 btw)
I agree, I love boxing but want to learn how to wrestle just in case. I pray to God I dont ever get into an altercation but better to know it and not need it than need it and not know it.
Throw in a little jits too 🤙
IF he's better in the striking range, you want to clinch, and find out if he is also good there.
IF he's good in the clinch, you can push him out to striking range, and see if he is also good there.
IF you end up on the ground, you will have to know how to handle yourself there.
lmao I appreciate your perspective here. Using boxing by itself, and using the same boxing you'd use in a ring as you would in a street fight you might get humbled real quick. However, I believe that you make the art work for you. YOU make it work. You can't just box in the gym and then expect your 1 hour a night 3 to 5 nights a week to make you comparable to Iron Mike of Floyd Mayweather. You must train your drills, stress test your drills, and be open minded enough to train new scenarios and combine other techniques with your skill set. Then, you need to spar with other martial artists, wrestlers, grapplers, kickers, knife and stick guys, and you gotta be willing to learn from them all. A good boxer who learns some wrestling, learns some kicks, and learns the difference in dynamics between standing up and punching or kicking, and then working on the ground on his/her back, against someone who's determined, can be much deadlier than someone who just does boxing. Cross train. Be humble. Be willing to learn from everyone.
My biggest fear with boxing is breaking my hand.
so open it. (shrug) same techniques, same reality; same result.
Trust me, you can’t punch that hard
@@NiceToxicity Oh, yes, yes, I can.
Boxing is good, but too fair, the people who box are still showing respect to their opponents, and the street fighters don't show respect
How could it be good self defense, if you only learn to defend yourself from strikes.
But BJJ also has issues, grip fighting, 90% of Jujutsu, is a useless art, when strikes are allowed.
I coach all three ranges, striking clinch and ground. Striking allows you to maintain distance (so you can run, or in case he has friends). Striking, if you don't suck, allows for an immediate end to the fight in knockouts (if you were coached correctly.) The other two ranges are important, but once you clinch, your hands are occupied. If he has friends - trouble. The ground is even worse for this.
But a fighter should know all three ranges.
Thx ! Informative video ! Wondering what you teach for punching range strikes with force (not distraction strikes like an eye jab) ? Is a palm strike going to be effective enough as most people don't have extra wrist flexibility to allow the bottom of the palm that's in line with the wrist bones to hit first and unless you bend the tips of your fingers down to the base of the fingers they can get broken if your palm misses or is off center of the the target while one of your fingers hits it and snaps back . Hammer fists are only effective in the short range if you get position above the person to strike downward.
Come to Muay Thai bro. Why palm strike and hammer fist and risk being in the punching range of some untrained, unpredictable, possibly larger guy throwing haymakers? That’s what most street fights are. Instead you can defend yourself with low kicks and clinch strikes, both of which keep your head away from the only thing most people know how to do, which is punch.
I wouldn’t go as far as to say “Boxing doesn’t address these at all…”, but I understand where you’re coming from. Tying up hands, over hooks, under hooks, frames, etc. are CRUCIAL tools every boxer should at least have in their bag, if not be fairly proficient at. Also, if you’re a moderately above average boxer, you know that your options for defending yourself aren’t limited to “knocking someone out”. The skills I mentioned above could corral your “drunk uncle” without throwing a punch and if a punch is required, I am unaware of any reason why you’d only be able to target head and hunting a KO to boot. A mild rap of knuckles across the liver would buckle most people, as would a breezy jab to the solar plexus. I am in now way saying I disagree with the notion that every individual should strive to be well rounded, capable in many areas while possessing the wisdom and restraint to utilize said skills when the situation dictates it. Not “Hey bro, I was gonna park there” followed by haymakers.
I think it actually depends on the boxing gym. You don't need to learn to wrestle, kick, or grapple to deal with a wrestler, kicker, or grappler. But you need to get some additional training to deal with them. Some gyms may address this better than others.
Man, you make a really good point with utilizing boxing skills without actually punching. I also really like your point about just some body shots dropping somebody or slowing them down without actually having to hit them in the face. I think most of us, when we think about Punching and boxing in particular, we think about the knockout shot. I know that’s what was on the forefront of my mind talking in this video. Thank you for the insight.
@JamesClingerman
One thing I recommend to see what I mean is to take a look at Krav Maga videos.
Much of what they do is bad boxing, compared to what a true boxer does, but with a little extra stuff to deal with grappler and kick boxers (and focus not how they kick, but deal with when they get kicked). Just imagine what a true boxer could do with just a little of that krav maga stuff.
O well sorry uncle! 😂