This Should Be Discontinued... | 2022 Gibson '61 SG Faded Maestro Vibrola
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This Model Should Be Discontinued... the SG Standard '61 Faded Maestro Vibrola that was introduced in late 2022. It shouldn't be discontinued because it is a bad guitar... it just doesn't make much sense in the current line up now that Gibson has so many BETTER options for a new SG. The "faded" series is a cult classic... but I feel it needs its own identity similar to how they did when first introduced in 2002. I'd suggest an unbound ebony fretboard and ditching the vibrola as a way to bring interest into this Faded SG model as well as a price correction to the 1499-1799 range. The unbound ebony fretboard would be worth paying a little extra for while still getting the player's "satin" finish.
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I like the idea, but reimagined with an unbound ebony fretboard, no vibrola and in the 1499-1799 price range to give it an edge over other SGs.
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I'd offer 1200 for it, let me know if you really want to get rid of it
For me, the neck binding has to stay.
Maybe it would've sold better with mini humbuckers or P90s. I wouldn't say give it a gig bag but maybe a hard side case. But as is with that hard case is the only reason I'd consider it. Did the make the Fool SG yet ? Just saying.
What was the fretboard conditioner you used on this???
Isn't that just the SG Tribute, minus the ebony board?
I love my '18 SG Standard. Bought it cheap before the price gouging began. For those paying $2199 for one of these, you have my sympathy.
I got my 2018 Autumn Burst SG Standard for $1300 because it was B Stock. I love it and won’t sell it. Didn’t know they went up in value
2018 was the last year before Gibson really went crazy with the pricing. The used market isn’t that bad right now.
Qc is junk on this SG, basically got a factory second and paid full price. That said, I'd do 1200 for it. Let me know if you really want to get rid of it
😂😂😂
il do 1250$
Id do 850
@@jamesnewton485 🤣🤣🤣
I had the same experience with my Les Paul 50s Faded. It’s a great guitar, but should have been a factory 2nd due to the poor binding work (ugly scrapes, a ridge along the entire guitar). I got mine early in the run. I think they eventually figured it out.
Agreed, that model is waaaayyyy overpriced for what it is. I think you're right that $1700 would be more in the ballpark, but they're still overpriced compared to the used offerings.
Serious question, why did you accept/keep a guitar with that many finish QC issues from the factory?
I doubt he'll answer
It should have gone to the demo shop. That's where I got my SG standard. A few inclusions and a ding or two, and I paid $1399. No tail piece and it came in one of the good Gibson gig bags with the protective walls, tho. After you add the tail piece and call it a 61 reissue with hsc, up the price goes
I'm sure he got a deal on it.. my goodness he's got a ton of money tied up in inventory.@@JokersWild70
He is a Gibson shill
I’m shocked by all the QC issues. AIO guitars don’t have these issues and a quarter of the price. They come properly set up from the factory too. I love SGs, I’m saddened by this example.
Just bring back the gibson sg faded they started in 2001. The first ones had very thin finish and 490 pickups. Every year they also released some with ebony fret boards and crescent moon inlays. Great guitars and were priced between $699-$899 depending on what year it was.
First year 2002 (+early 2003) had the ebony board and crescent moon inlays on faded V and SGs. Very cool guitars!
I have a faded '70's tribute with mini humbuckers. It's a fun guitar. I think I paid $800 for it new 6 or 7 years ago.
In 2019 everyone was saying how great the qc was going to be on new Gibson's....WRONG.
I purchased a new LP Standard in 2019 based on all of the online hype that "Gibson is back". What a freaking lie that was. My brand new NOT B STOCK Les Paul had been factory polished so heavy handed that the finish had been buffed off of the back edge of the body down to bare wood and the nut was seated so poorly that it leaned back at an angle (meaning the scale length was technically longer than it should have been). NEVER again with these clowns.
if the factory buffed thru the finish it should have been returned for exchange
Trogly's 1500 SG Faded is literally what was sold for like 800 a few years ago as an SG Special save for the inlays lol
I'd bet that little ding at the control cavity edge is from prying up the cover. Many Gibsons end up with at least one of them in their lifetime.
People really do need to start sending these back to Gibson. A guitar over 2k shouldn't have fit and finish problems.
The only way they're going to learn is if it starts costing them money.
I had a stop bar faded from 2014 it was a player. Dot inlays no binding. But it could make all the right noises.
My 2014 '61 SG Original II in Antique Cherry with the same Lyre vibrola, a gloss finish and in mint condition cost me $1700 barely a year ago, and blows that away in the looks department, plus it has '57 Classics in it
The mods you just described are almost exactly what the SG Faded was back in, I believe 2014. Exception being it was a large pick guard model and had the 490 pickup set (also had a rounder slightly thicker neck). Great guitar. I bought mine used in near mint condition for $400. Think they go used now for about $700 on the used market.
As a guitarist the gibson i chose to buy was the modern collection sg standard. It plays great and there are no factory issues that i could tell. The only thing is it squeals a ton with high gain and high volume
I don't get the whole faded/satin finish-thing, nor do I like it. An interesting point that is being made here without actually stating it, is that companies very often cannibalize their own product line with some of their offerings. I don't even want to get into the confusion this creates for the average consumer. Bring back the olden days when an SG was an SG, a Les Paul was a Les Paul and a Strat was a Strat. The only guitars that were close to adhering to that philosophy were those from the company's respective custom shops, but in recent years even those are "eating" each other.
YES , BRING BACK THE FADED WITH A STOP BAR!!! THOSE ARE AWESOME !!
I have 2 Standard 61's in custom colors, and you're totally right. Theres SO MANY variations and colors on the used market that it's really tough to justify one of those.
Almost no limit to how you want your SG dressed out & priced if you’re patient. I’m Hendrix model myself.
Please reveal the fretboard conditioning product you used. It looks soooo good!
A trapeze style tailpiece is a great replacement for a vibrola and it doesn't require drilling into the top. Very cool SG Trogly
Your idea of a more affordable stripped down SG is insane given the fact of how nice high end Epiphones are to compete with
Kind of struggling to figure out Gibson's intended market lately. Between the 600 different Adam Jones and Hammett models and slew of plain models in the demo shop - just feels like they've resigned themselves to ONLY being a dad rock brand and keep playing into it.
Guitar works here in Calgary, were selling this for 2100 or so.. i kept going back and fourth on it, i ended up getting the 61 stop tail instead. I just wanted the standard finish.
The new Les Paul Modern Lite and Modern Studio are both satin finishes, so I think you might get your wish with a barebones faded SG sometime next year. But honestly what you described is the SG Tribute.
900 dollar les paul junior faded is such a no brainer
My 2021 LP 60s has almost an extra nib at the 1st fret. Maybe a small spot of poor quality but also one of its many defining characteristics😊
The sg doesn’t look as good with the satin finish. I wonder how it would look polished up? I bought one of the 335 natural faded and it’s a great guitar, did have a couple finish flaws and similar binding issues on the neck, but would be cool to see one on the channel. The best thing to do with the trem is mod it into the Derek trucks style with just the cover part
Gibson should consider an SG equivalent to the Les Paul Modern Lite in the $1400-$1500 range. As far as the trem system, I am all about bare-bones rockers, so this one and the $2500 version had very little appeal to me. It's definitely a niche market. But I love the SG, and anything they can do to brighten its appeal is appreciated Like the custom colors.
Gibson doesn’t need to do anything in the $1500 range now that they’ve tricked idiots into paying that much for their china epiphones. All they have to do is put Joe Bonamassa or Kirk Hammets name on them and throw some bs about gibson custom shop on the epiphone case and fanboys will gladly pay them 1500.
Anybody who would buy a brand new poverty-spec base model gibson for 1500 is a moron anyway when you can get used Gibson Standard’s for that.
I would love a 5lb sg with maple neck.
@@jamesnicholson6016 a 5lb SG? Good luck with that lol. Idk how that would happen. You’d have to have some super light wood, super light hardware. And i think you’d still be 6.5 lbs. unless you went with a super thin/small body. I think it might be possible but you’d have to shrink it, make it really thin, and you’d have to use super light like cheap tin hardware, and have 1 p90 or something, and maybe you could have it be 5lbs, but Idk. My SG is 7lbs 1oz and it’s by far my lightest guitar.
If you want a 5lb SG I recommend you get a Korina Flying V. I had a used 2023 epiphone IBGCS korina flying V - that was just over 5lbs, and tbh it was sort of rowdier than an SG. It’s like brighter like it wants to scream and do the Albert king thing, almost like a strat and a LP had a baby. The only problem with those is that they are so thin that the neck breaks inside their hard cases. Mine came pre-cracked at the neck joint. I couldn’t tell if it was just the finish cracked or the wood.
But if you figure out how to get a 5lb normal sized and still quality SG let me know cuz I love light guitars.
@@WithCarePlz maple necks typically are lighter than mahogany by a pound or two. But yeah would probably have to be a single P90, volume knob only, and maybe a slightlyyy thinner body OR a small extension of routing the top under a batwing guard.
@@jamesnicholson6016 i gotta think a maple neck the same size as mohogany neck can’t be *that* much lighter.
I can see where it would be super easy to burn that finish. I have a lot of experience buffing poly finishes and they are very forgiving. These guitars, not so much. My personal guitar is a Les Paul that I accidentally burned thru the thin nitro finish on in a split second. I'm pretty sure you didn't get that from Sweetwater. They would have refused it. The tooling issue on the side of the neck and that finish burn should never have made it past QC that way.
Thanks for the review! have a love /hate relationship with SGs because of the tuning issues. I want to love them because they look and sound so cool. The best SG I ever played was an inexpensive SG Tribute with satin finish. If memory serves it was one of the few that Ive ever played that had decent tuning stability too. 10 years ago I bought a new 2013 SG standard, wouldn't stay in tune no matter what I tried so I sold it. Tried again last year with a brand new SG Special, had Sweetwater set it up, Plex'd, etc. and after dealing with neck dive, forward lean, I've given up trying to gig it. It fights you the whole gig and that fight constantly pulls the strings out of tune on an already extremely sensitive guitar. I put small weights in the electronics cavity in an attempt to relieve the neck dive, I tried a wider strap, I tried the keychain lock from belt loop on my jeans to the guitar strap and in the end I wound with a now heavy guitar that was uncomfortable to play, still wouldn't stay in tune, and just way too much trouble. The problem is that strap peg needs to be on the top horn but thats a risky mod. All that said it is a good sounding and playing guitar when sitting down, recording, P-90s are good, etc. Otherwise, Angus Young not withstanding, I will not be buying another SG anytime soon. YMMV!
They souldn't discontinue them. They should just lower the price. It's a good guitar.
easier to discontinue and come out with a new model than "price adjust" otherwise you get angry customers that bought before the price cut
They should bring back the SG tribute but with trap inlays and also offer it in ebony
Love the satin.Does it come with P90's, the most under-rated Gibson offers?
It sounds like you really should have warranted it. That one has far too many flaws to be acceptable from a new Gibson.
I just don't understand how Gibson's QC can be so consistently bad.
I mean, if you wet to buy a new car, you wouldn't buy one with dings, scratches and rust holes would you?
For the price of a Gibson, it should be immaculate, every time.
They just discontinued the SG Junior too. But you know, we have more colors now 😑
So there is still cases made in Canada and not Costa Rica?
Roller saddles should be standard on this kind of whammy system.
The satin finish is a great idea except for its price, it makes no sense. Whatever Gibson has left on them including the dealers should close them out at $1499 a pop and if they sell them fast? could you bring them back
at the same cost? Will Gibson do that? probably not lol.
I got my brand new Gibson '61 SG in Translucent Green because it is a different color and man does it look cool. It plays very well and does everything I want it to do with very little effort when set up properly.
Yeah you bought the one I'd of gotten cool color.
@@phillipvisnaw2355 Is yours more like an emerald green? mine is with hints of teal when the light hits it a certain way. The color is super cool though and very different from my other guitars. Besides the color, it plays and sounds amazing. Congrats on yours.
@@michaelheller8841 I don't own one, but if I were to get it I'd buy the one you got... I'm thinking about selling a couple to justify another purchase..
Worst looking binding I ever saw Gibson put out. In fact, the whole thing is a trainwreck. Almost looks like it's been reliced.
I love the 60 early 70's SGs mostly the shape I dont like vibrola but it looks cool for vintage never played.
Looks like Quality Control is back to mid 2010's levels!
Ok, brokie with 3 gibbies here:
>$2100 SG that isn't Custom Shop
>muh Vibrola ($200 option at BEST)
>FADED (so SHOULD BE A DISCOUNT)
It's an SG faded with a stupid tailpiece and traps, FOH
Sad, Gibson was low key the best USA brand for throwing us poor dogs a bone.
I took home my 02 Melody Maker for $379 N E W out the door, still love it. A pos Dillon was more dough.
97 SG-1, $400 used, these were like 500 bucks new.
My 01 "mini trap" AAA top Studio was less than 800 bucks. In LA, just 5 years ago, needed nothing. Maybe $1200 new for a flametop LP that makes PRS dudes seethe.
Sorry Gibson - can't make excuses for this.
BTW a Vibrola iirc is an essential part of exactly 0 famous players' styles. It looks cool & helps neck dive, that's it.
I'm ready to sale mine, thought I would like this SG with vibrola, but without investing in locking tuners, these don't stay in tune, and the bridge on these, has to be almost down all the way,just to get the action right, and there is no way to go any lower, if the neck warps in the future, the guitar weighs too much also,the vibrola is uncomfortable and the pickups sound like the tone is rolled off, before you turn the tone down.
Love to get a lefty one. But what I really want is a green 61 lefty.
I have a 1993 lefty candy apple blue SG standard, it's the only lefty I've seen, there have been a few righties on Reverb over the years.... yep I know the colour name makes no sense 🙂
Absolutely i'm a lefty and my favorite color is green too
2200$????!!! Bruh…. Nope.
That's ok.. I'll play my $175 chrome yellow with ohh too cool black racing stripes Westcreek :)
Yikes, those marks on the binding, how much was this guitar again? (Imagine the day they reach Chibson QC though! 😉 )
Drop the vibrato, put in something Gibson never does: strings through the body.
I, for one, would be very interested in a Rick Beato version SG (initially I wanted to say signature but that'll add $1k to the price making me disinterested) with the stopbar further away from the bridge - Leave off the pickguard so users can add their own if they wish, more colour options in satin beyond the usual red or black, leave off the binding and fancy inlays to keep the price low & accessible. Hell whilst I'm at it, move the darn input to the side like the SG modern too! Call it the SG re-imagined 😎
I don’t really like the ‘61 SG in general, and the faded costs way too much for what it is. I can’t understand the ‘61 SG in general. Instead of getting a ‘61 (I played 5) I ended up picking up a used Ebony 2017 SG Standard T w/ohsc for 1000. It weighs under 7lbs, it came with locking grovers from the factory, and mine has a piece of rosewood that’s so dark that it looks like ebony. Once I lowered the pickups down to about the plastic ring (a bit higher than that on high side) it sounds fantastic too. It feels super silky and premium, light as a feather, and it sounds phenomenal. I had planned on swapping out the pcb board- but once I adjusted the pickups it sounds phenomenal so why bother swapping the pcb. But for $1000. I struggle to understand why anyone would pay for a brand new ‘61 sg faded. Or a ‘61 sg standard for that matter. Oh well, to each their own. But then again we live in a world where after sales tax yahoos are paying almost 2k for chinese epiphones, so I digress
"This guitar JUST gives Derek Truck vibes."..........JUST??
You've obviously never seen him play live!😅
He's the sickest slide player in the world! Blew away B.B.KING and John Mayer, with his playing! There's a bunch of videos of him and his band on UA-cam. Check him out Trog!
THAT triggered you? Really?
uhhh, Derek Truck? I think you mean FRANK ZAPPA 100% is the same guitar. Gibson has an actual Zappa SG for $5K all day lmaoooo This faded SG is a sleeper . I'm gonna get one asap
should have made it in different colour such as pelham blue + green or white.
To me it needs white and black zebra bobbins to wake it up and give it a color pop. That's always been my favorite look on a Gibson uncovered pickup guitar. Definitely leave the bound fingerboard though IMO. Also Trogly I still have the 2014 model Derek Trucks SG I bought from your Reverb store back in March 2017. It will always be one of my all time favorite guitars I will never sell.
Not to mention the Gibson "faded" series has always been seen as their budget models.
I want one with a stop bar
Hey, what are your thoughts on Gibson finally releasing a White 80's explorer and V, I think I might just pull the trigger when it comes back in stock. *its on the Gibson website under new arrivals*
I’d buy this if it had a stop tailpiece.
I absolutely love the satin finish, but these are just too damn expensive!
This guitar made more sense when Gibson had the other 61 reissues. The side trem, the maestro, the no trem and the faded. I think its spec'd out better than the standard.
Literally only because of the no pickup covers for me
Gibson all you have to do is Add a Special wound Pickup for the Middle and the Price will be Fair
Why would you buy a guitar that can’t stay in tune?
Exactly
Because I love squire paranormal weirdness. But at $450 I expect to replace tuners and upgrade hardware.
@@pulda015 At $150 I expect to replace tuners and upgrade hardware, but the SG copy I got from Amazon for $150 was perfect!
Yessss!! I always thought it kind of was for specific players, but they’re just so expensive for a faded satin finish
Gibson's QC at their price point in the market is really inexcusable ..... you rarely see this with PRS, or even ESP Guitars
The SG is my absolute favourite Gibson guitar. Love your content!
I bought one of these back in April this year from GAK in the UK for £1499 in a sale. Haven’t found any QC issues and it plays fantastically, it’s my first SG and would highly recommend based on the one I have.
I can't believe Gibson's binding scraping is still so bad - but the way they look at it, the line is sharp so it's ok. No it's not ok - it's terrible.
I love my sg faded.
Got a great deal from Sweetwater!
I have an original 1965 SG with the trem.
I have a fair number of guitars and my SG is the best playing guitar I have ever used - bar none. It has a very low action and 9s on it and you can still play slide on it without fretting out. This guitar is so easy to play it's ridiculously fast - way faster than I am capable of being. The trem works great and stays in tune. I like all kinds of guitars but this thing is incredible.
If you'd like an SG with the Vibrola, just get the Epi '61 with Vibrola. That's what I did, except since I don't care for the looks of the veneer that Epi puts on those, I went for one in Olive Green from zZounds. I got it for $490 after asking for a discount, which everyone should do. My Epi looks and sounds great, IMO, and stays in tune. The only mod that I plan on doing is installing a TonePros bridge with nylon saddles.
I love SGs.
These make the old SG Special Faded model with the uncovered HB pickups look such a bargain, as Trogly mentioned. They look a bit plain but do everything that a SG needs to do.
I have an 04 faded SG with the ebony board and it has the mahogany neck before it was switched to maple. I love it. Its kinda homely but it has a chunky neck and plays fantastic. Best of all it cost me $0. My bands other guitarist gave it to me
These are 1200 and less on local
Secondary, standards are around $800 local.
If only it was a bit cheaper and had the batwing pickguard. That could scratch the Roxy Zappa itch ... although looking at the Roxy SG it did have small pickguard. Must be the Captain Kirk influence :))
I love SGs but, I don’t like the vibrola.
Terrible assembly.
They don’t work well but actually they help SG’s balance better. You can just take the arm off and not use it.
@@rocknrollresignation93I put a Bigsby with a Vibramate on my 90s Special to stop the neck dive. I’m swapping that for a Stetsbar when I have the time.
I like the faded finishes vs the gloss finish
I like the faded on black finishes. When you see a really old black lp, it has that look, and it's killer imo. I think it depends on the guitar. I would love e to have an LP special with gloss black top and parchment or white binding with gold hardware. I'll have to make it myself or pay gibson more than I care to pay.
@@frankwebster9110 that does sound cool looking Faded black on the BFG series are cool looking That distressed black gives it a relic feel without the actually chipping and sanding of the finish I love LP specials and juniors Distressed off white might look cool with a black pick guard The one thing Gibson hasn’t changed unlike most other companies is the black headstock Matching color headstocks look terrible
To me Jackson ruined an iconic guitar in the soloist by doing that
No ditching the mother of pearl! Ever! On any guitar!
Price is way too high.
I have a 90 "Ferrari" red SG Special. It's the best playing guitar I have ever played
for the past 30 yrs. I was able to get it at $900.00 at that time...
$2100.00 is just ridiculous during these times...
I'm looking for a new electric but the craftsmanship seems "Lacking" these days...
Bought a used 2004 Epiphone SG Special for $110 this morning. Sounds great.
u should have grabbed my Elliot Easton custom signature SG in white when u had the chance those things have absolutely gone silly in price if u can even find one for sale
are you able to lower the bridge? the bridge looks slammed. I just tried this guitar, but the action was a little high, and i can't see how to lower it.
Gibson made the SG Special Faded with crescent moon inlays in red and brown around 2002. I had one, but it got stolen. Huge bummer. Anyway, you should find one and review it.
i had one too, but the 2x4 neck joint sucked. got the 61 reissue with that slim neck let me hook the thumb over the e string for the jazz chords. the best guitar ever is the 61 reissue. the term arm works perfect if you know how to stretch the strings when installing them. played this new faded 61 and it stayed in tune and feels like the 90's 61. QC in the "feel" is perfect. by the way, nice video
I’m glad I got my special faded sg back in 2007 for 700 bucks with a case
1. No guitar looks cooler than an SG with a Maestro Vibrola. Period. The lyre tailpiece just KILLS.
2. $2200 for a guitar with "exceptionally bad QC." What could possibly be more Gibson USA than that? Absolutely nothing.
That faded finish on the les laul looks like those garbage maple tops on Epiphones.
I got a 99 sg special. Cost: roughly a grand... why would I buy this?
I have the 1,999 61 sg with the regular stop tail gloss much better then these for the price, it’s actually my favorite guitar. They should be coming up with new hardware, and diffrent designs to pretty up the guitars
I'd love to have one, but I'm not paying over 2k for a non-gloss Gibson.
I think the worst thing about that guitar is the missing pickup covers which, I think, looks ugly af. Here in Canada the cheapest Gibson’s start at $1000, so, yeah, that SG is too expensive, but not really compared to other Gibson’s, because they are all over priced. I looked into SG Jrs last year, thinking maybe I could get a genuine Gibson for a decent price if I looked at an entry level model… but found out they cost $1800 here. I can get an outstanding Gretsch for that, rather than an entry-level Gibson.
Thanks for sharing.
I like them but even if i could play i can't justify 2k on any guitar when there's cheaper alternatives just as cool
It seems like it’s such a niche market with everything else being offered at better prices.
The orange peel on the headstock is hideous.
3000$ glossy double neck SG could solve the problem I believe, yes
For over $2k, let alone any guitar above $500, should have good quality control…..thats just ridiculous to spend crazy money on a guitar (especially electric and not acoustic) and get dings, impressions, and paint on the binding