Beyerdynamic T1 Gen. 2 review
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2024
- Video Note At around 3:05, I state that they utilize 2 2.5mm connections but it's actually 2 3.5mm connectors. My mistake.
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Just a heads up it's 3.5 mm not 2.5mm
One of the most reliable reviews to date.
I appreciate that but it's just my personal take on them my friend.
I use these with the Chord Mojo which I think drives them extremely well but can't help feeling a bigger amp could do a much better job.
Excellent review by the way. It's not like other technical reviews out there. You truly put your heart and soul into what you do. Keep up the good work 👍
Thank you very much for your kind words. I try my best. I'm not a professional so I don't really know how to review or portray things other than how I see them and how I experienced them. I'm glad you enjoy them.
From my experience I'd completely agree with you. Though the Mojo is a ridiculously incredible combi, a powerful desktop setup will bring out what the Tesla drivers can really do, especially in the bass response.
Even tried and owned many more expensive headphones, T1 is still one of my favorites. I could hear the difference of their ideology between Beyerdynamic and many other firms for example Sennheiser. The hd800 more or less is trying to simulate the sound coming from a pair of speakers while T1 is like a soldier strictly observe his duty of headphones. T1 did not try to compete for many kinds of stuff that headphones are not good at but firmly showed us what headphones are gifted at.
Bro I really could not have said that any better myself! Also, how ya been? You have a good Chinese New Year?
Good, thank you! Glad to see you arranging meetings and receiving more gears from firms. How was your meeting? Wish I could be there myself next time!
Yeah, the turn out was MUCH bigger than I expected and companies really came forth for this meet too! Good food and great gear, sadly I wasn't able to hear hardly anything for I was talking and mingling the majority of the time but I had a blast nonetheless. I'll be hosting another one (unless someone else beats me to it) around March 2019 so you can keep a lookout for it.
You just described what I thought between the two. In terms of the HD800 trying to sound like a pair of speakers, it pretty much explains what I always felt about the HD800's soundstage. It feels fake.
It depends on tastes. I couldn't tell which one is better but HD800 sometimes sounds wried. HD800s reduces this fake feeling and sounds more neutral.
After 7 years of use I must say T1 2nd gen still one of my top 3 headphones in my collection. I bought a lot more (too many I'm afraid) after getting it but none gave me the instant pleasant sound these gave me since the 1st time I put them on my head. In synergy with my ifiProCanSignature they are incredible! Unfortunately beyer screwed up completely with the highly inferior T1 3 gen, that I had to return because they were totally the opposite. So, if you have the chance and like to "enjoy music" these cans are the best, except for hard rock I agree. For those the DT-1990 Pro offer more slam than the T1-2. But regarding all the other genres (including electronica) they're amazing.
Once again, great review!! I used to have the T1 gen 1 a while back and had the itch to get the Gen 2. Until a great price for the HD 800s popped up and I couldn't help but jump on that killer deal they were offered for a new, open box. I clearly understand when you mention the T1 portraying the musicality and soul of the music. It' quite something. Would love to hear the new changes they did with the added bass and tuned down treble. Maybe one day! Lol. I Love beyerdynamic I used to also own the T5p as well. Great sets of headphones whether you get the closed back or semi open. Can never go wrong with either of them.
Thanks for the kind words my friend. So you've heard/owned the original and the T5p. Did they sound fairly similar, bright sounding?
How ya liking the 800's? Pretty darn revealing aren't they?
They were fairly similar but the T5p had better bass impact and speed compared to the T1. (I'm a metal head lol). The treble to me had more of a peak on the T1 than the T5p. Just ever so slightly. Depending on the recording of course. As a bonus the T1 was amazing for gaming. It's imaging was incredible for playing battlefield or any fps games.
The HD 800s is truly an amazing headphones. I never had a chance to hear the original HD 800 but from what I've read from reviews and such. I think I made the perfect choice for my liking preference lol. I used to own a few flagship headphones, to the T1, Mrspeakers Ether C, and AKG K812. The HD 800s has become my favorite of them all and others I've owned.
That's very interesting about the treble. That's what turned me off about the T5p's but it could also very well just be my ears and I've also not heard the original T1 either :P.
And I truly believe the 800 S is an upgrade to the original in every way except for the all black look (I'm just really not a fan of it at all). Right now I'm at a tough spot because the ATH-ADX5000 is an AMAZING headphone that I personally like more than the 800 S....but what I can get for a used 800 S is still WAY less than the 5000's go for (w/ the balanced cable to add insult to injury). But I'm still, like yourself, loving the 800 S so I think I'll be just fine :D.
The ADX-5000 sure looks like an impressive headphone and have read good things about it. Too bad it's out of my budget though. Hopefully one day I get to try them Out. Looking forward to your review about them! Keep it up bro!
They certainly perform as good as they look. Apprecoate the compliment my friend, I most certainly will do.
excellent review my dude, just got the gen 3.
Loved the review, I really need to try a Beyer can one of these days. Looking forward to your next review mate! Stay safe.
Their older stuff was pretty bright sounding but their newer products, to me, have definitely been improved and have each been wonderful to listen to rather it be critical listening or enjoyment.
This review is pretty accurate. The T1 has a treble peak at 7-8khz though, so not really entirely neutral i guess. And T1 is not easy to drive, I doubt many would use it with a portable DAP
Having owned the T1.2 in the past I have to agree with your review, I only let go of mine because I didn't have the right amp for it and didn't want to spend that much money on an amp to bring out it's best. I currently have the Amiron Home and has been my favorite sub-$1000 headphone. I agree about it being more of a cohesive musical whole and properly portraying the inner soul and musicality of the music.
That is a downside that A LOT of people don't realize when they purchase certain end game headphones. To really get what makes them special takes a whole lot more and for many that just isn't worth it (and that's by NO means a bad thing).
Funny you mention the Amiron Home. A lot of what you said I even stated in my review which should be up tomorrow (on shift today). But my goodness they hit a home run with that headphone. It scales really well but its performance is just ridiculous for it to "only" be a $600 headphone.
That is true, especially something that is 600 ohms like the T1. I only got the T1 via a trade otherwise I would of a waited to get one after I had a proper system. My system is good but it's not ideal for 600 ohm headphones.
Looking forward to your Amiron Home review. I've been a big proponent of the Amiron Home on Head-Fi for a long time, I was one of the early adopters of the headphone and reviewed it early on, many have overlooked the headphone but it slowly seems to be gathering a bit of a following. It's definitely better than the recent Sennheiser HD 660 S which I also have. The interesting thing I have never heard a bad Beyer in terms of fidelity before, maybe not having a tuning to my liking but you can fix that in terms of modding and/or EQ, their vintage stuff actually holds up today. Even the old DT 48 is surprisingly good despite it's flaws, extremely analog sounding. They've know what they are doing since day one with the first dynamic headphone.
Bro I could NOT have said that any better, and agree with you on every point you made (even the 660 S). I, like you, REALLY hope these headphones get more headway because my goodness they're incredible. And also, like you said, I haven't heard a bad headphone from them either. I've heard a few I personally didn't care for but that's just my personal tastes and also like you said, can be relatively easily fixed. I really enjoy their hand made approach they continue to do. I, as a consumer, value something that was made by hand SO MUCH and really wish other companies added some more of that.
Good review , and a different one from what i've heard from other reviewers
Tis my personal take on em. I haven't personally viewed or read others opinions on them so remained unbiased but goes to show how people see products differently. The ONLY persons opinion of a product that really matters is the owner/buyer.
Very good review!!!!!nice job man!!!!!!!
Thank you very much for the kind words my friend.
very solid review. have you heard the focal elex? I have sundaras right now and love the detail and energy. have k7xx too but i've never really heard anything people call warm so the lcd2c is also on my mind, but the word veiled gets tossed around and is something i'd like to avoid. right now i'm running an su-8 into a magni 3.
Thank you very kindly for the compliment and I'm glad my review was of some help to you.
I have heard the Elex very breifly at the recent CanFest meet in March and from memory they're definitely a Focal product (very clear and detail sounding and quite flat overall).
A warm sounding headphone is something that I always personally search for for it's the sound signature I personally love more than any other. As for your LCD-2C, though I can't personally comment on it for I've never heard that model but the regular LCD-2 I really fell in love with and in my review I even compared them to my HD800 and favorite headphone of all time the Opp PM-1 (which I HIGHLY recommend if you're looking for a warm headphone). I wouldn't really say they had a veilish but they definitely benefit from some burn in time.
On a side note, your amp is definitely not helping your sound. The Magni 3, though an absolutely fantastic amp, is very well known for being a bright amp, if fact most all Schiit SS amps are. If you're looking for a more musical experience, I really recommend looking into a tube amp.
x Army Firedawg x a useful reply too, ima subscribe. I’ve never heard tubes so i’m definitely interestd. Warm is a curiosity, but detail is my biggest love so i dont shy away from bright. I think ur right tho, with tubes i can tweak more and try different combos. I hate the rich people who’re always saying buy and try both. Might end up with lcds and either beyer t1s or elex one day but hey thats what the future is for lol
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Thank you very kindly for your subscription, I do sincerely appreciate it. But another thing to think about, try and attend some local audio meets near you. That's a FANTASTIC way to not only try a plethora of different equipment it also allows you to meet other people with similar interests to bounce ideas off of.
If you've never visited Head-Fi.org, I'd definitely check it out. They've a meet page in the forums that's usually quite active.
Great review , thx
Hey man - really like your reviews but I do have a question...Since you’ve reviewed the LCD2 and these, which do you prefer?
The LCD2 which is very smooth, easy to listen to with great bass extension, or the T1 with its attention to detail and great treble extension?
I have the LCD2 from 2018 and I do really enjoy that headphone but I also picked up the dt990 premium which honestly is a v-shaped headphone but comes darn close to the much more expensive Audeze in some ways.
Thanks!
My personal tastes will virtually always side with the more warmer, musical, headphone. Yes the T1 is beautifully analytical is also has a musical side as well which is why I like it over the HD800 S subjectively. But if I had to choose between the LCD 2 and T1 I would side with the LCD 2 because of its musicality.
And that's REALLY interesting about the DT990. I recently heard it again (though DRASTICALLY under powered/amp'd to disclaim) and was not too impressed with it.
Audiophile as I am, my eardrums ruptured at the loud peak which coincides with the WHAT'S GOING ON GUYS opening.
If you're going to be audiophile tier, at least get something decent to talk into. :)
MM, definitely should fast forward some of my earlier videos as well then haha. But the mic on my V20 most certainly has some flaws to it (especially in the sibilant department) but it's all I can justify using right now.
Will you ever do a review on the Sony Mdrz1r? I'm curious to hear what you think.
The Z1r's are a product I've been wanting to review for a LONG time, especially since it's been recommended to me so much. Plus I think Sony makes some great products too. I'll reach out to them again and hopefully get a reply this time but since I've no POC I'm just a random guy sending them an email asking for a product review.
Got one new for 600 Euros on Amazon Es last week :D
DUUUUDDDEEEEEEE Freaking amazing deal!!!!! That's awesome my friend! Haha course now you're about in the same boat as I am. Good luck upgrading (if ever you'd want to) because you'll not really find anything worth the difference in what you paid for.
Great and very helpful review as always, especially as I am stuck between the T1 and the HD800s. You raised an interesting point at around 8:33 about experiencing the music - would you say you enjoy the T1's more than the HD800s'?
Subjectivly yes. I personally liked the T1 quite a bit more than my 800 S in complete honesty. The ONLY reason I would keep my 800 S is because they're such a complete 180 over my dream PM-1 headphones whereas the T1 corresponds more closely to them.
EDIT: Also the T1's are just made so much better.
x Army Firedawg x Cheers for the quick reply. Considering how positive your 800s review was, I'm a bit surprised by your preference. I guess I need to spend some time listening to both. Thanks again and keep up the good work.
Both are GREAT headphones and I do love the HD800 S. If I were to only have a single endgame headphone I would, of these 2, choose the T1. But, because the 800 S is such a 180 difference between my dream headphones, the OPPO PM-1, the 800 S makes for a better complementary headphone.
EDIT: Corrected grammatical & punctual errors.
You hit the nail on the head, these will be my endgame, if there is such a thing in this hobby!
hahaha and you said *I* hit the nail on the head haha. My wife rolls her eyes every time I say the word endgame too :P.
Would you say that you prefer the HD 800 or T1 Gen 2 for gaming? Many thanks.
The T1.2, of all headphones I've personally tried, come the closest to topping the HD800 S for gaming but the HD800 S is still, from the headphones I've been able to try, the best for gaming.
@x Army Firedawg x the suggested amp on amazon says to buy
Impacto Universal High-End DAC/Headphone Amplifier do you think thats what one should get or is there something better to get in your opinion? thanks for any help
I can make a couple recomendation for you but if I may ask you a couple questions first?
Are you wanting a combi or individual dac and amp?
Are you wanting it to be a portable setup or strictly for home use?
Do you prefer a more accurate, analytical sound or a more musical one (tube [also able to alter sound based on type of selectes tubes])?
Lastly, what's your personal budget you're comfortable with?
@@Army-Firedawg thanks for answering. im new to all of this so im not sure what to say exactly. i prefer just to have one piece of having a combo dac and amp. i want to only use it at home. i wouldnt even be able to tell if i were listening to a more accurate or musical sound but more musical sounds like a better idea. i was hoping to get something under $600 to go with the beyerdynamic T1 2nd Generation. i was also looking at beyerdynamic A20 Headphone Amplifier. im not totally determined to buy the headphones until i do further research. but i definitely want an amp that can be used with different types of headphones. i was thinking of going to a store to be able listen to what i want to buy considering the price.
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Absolutely. There's no hurry at all to buy any equipment until you're totally sure it's what you're wanting. So a combi that I think would do you very well it the new Schiit Lyr (www.schiit.com/products/lyr-1). I had the Lyr 2 and absolutely LOVED it (much more so than the HDVD800 I sold it to fund). Very clean and musical sound with ample power to fuel anything I threw at it. Also, with it being a tube amp you can research different tubes to alter the sound a little bit to your liking. Now, if the 4490 DAC that is included in the $599 price is anything like the Bifrost 4490 I had then you are MORE than going to enjoy the detail retrieval. It only barely looses to the DAC I'm currently using that costs MUCH MUCH more [PS Audio DL3]). So if I can throw a contender in for you to consider that would definitely be one.
can you please help? I own the T1 2nd Gen, was considering adding maybe the dt 1990 pro or the Amiron..
do you think its worth getting either 1990 or Amiron? or if i have the T1 it considered to be the top? would you say dt 1990 pro is similar to the T1? and the Amiron is more relaxed and worth having as an addition to the T1? thanks.
I've heard the 990 but I have NOT heard the 1990 so I cant give a direct comparison but if it's an upgraded 990 it's a more brighter signature similar to that of the T5p. I personally don't care much for cold/bright signature's thus the Amiron was a hit for me and to date one of the best price/quality headphones I've heard. BUT because of the neutral tonality the T 1.2 has, either the Home or the 1990 (*assuming* it shares the 990's brightness) would be a decent complementary pair. Which signature do you personally enjoy more, warm or cold?
I really like the T1's detailed highs, especially with strings and female vocals, but sometimes it can be a bit too metallic sounding, so im looking for same clarity on the highs but with a bit warmth and bass... after getting used to treble, listening to the HD 650 for example ,was dull and little boring, the 660s is better in my opinion.. is 660s is similar to the Amiron?
Yes. The 660 S is quite similar to the Amiron Home but I feel the Amiron had a more bodied mid range and not as in your face.
so you're saying the Amiron is more smooth, and the 660s is a bit more shouty? b/c i have noticed the 660s is a bit "in your brain" as oppose to the T1 which i find much more smoother and around you rather than in your face... does the Amiron has that smoothness of the T1 but with more warmth and not so sibilant?
That's a pretty darn accurate description of the Amiron actually.
What about the comparison with the editionX V2 😭
:/ I've yet to hear the HEX2. Heck, I've only heard the HEX1 and briefly the HE1K1, HE400(all versions I believe), and HE560. I'd really like to test more of their products but I've no contacts for Hifiman to reach out to.
Hello Firedawg. I want to buy these headphones and i know its 600ohms and my Sound card in my PC has a soundcard i bought that handles 600 ohms, is the sound card which is Asus strix essence 2 Good or should i buy a DAC headphone amp that can handle 600 ohms? Also Are these headphones really good for gaming?
From looking at the specs from the website I don't see any output Wattage but I personally think you should be fine. I really goes into pushing its powerful amp so I think your sound card should be just fine with the T1. And as for are they good for gaming. From my experience yes. I only played Destiny with them but they performed very nicely for me. The soundstage is a mediumesk one so I think you'll find a happy medium between an open and closed back gaming headphone argument but the tight bass and detail retrieval made me hearing my own footsteps, gunshots, etc... quite easy and describable as far as location. I think you'll be in good hands my friend.
Thank you very much for the reply THUMBS UP!.. hey another question what about this dac Marantz HD- DAC1High Definition USB DAC / Headphone Amp? i was looking at that as well its actually in my amazon. It powers 600 ohms headphones. Would this be a better choice for the T1 for gaming?
It would likely make the music sound quite a bit better but your sound card is specifically designed for gaming so it'll lokely have better 3D effects.
And I'm not that impressed by its output power. The murantz only puts out .8W into 32 ohms so that's like .2W into 600 (guessing off top of my head I haven't done the literal math) so not a lot of power so for what you're specifically wanting it for I think you're soundcard will be better off.
I'm using the T1 Gen. 2 with an ASUS Essence STX II set to 8 channel output, 192khz, extra high gain, Dolby Headphone + 7.1 Virtual speaker option activated and ít simply sounds fantastic.
HOws the 3d imaging on it? Like enemy postioning during gaming?
Hi army i bought the. Beyerdynamic amiron home and use them. With my ps4 pr0 to watch movies and games. These t1 2gen do these sound better. And are they fatiguing. What do you think sound best. Ive had the amiron home for about three weeks now. And they sound great. But. What do you think. Is the best. Thankyou
AWESOME HEADPHONE!!! I LOVE the Amiron's. But the answer to your question is a difficult one. The T1.2 is by far the more accurate headphone as well as superb in positional awareness and even soundstage, so for gaming they're also significantly better. So in terms of an audiophile headphone, the T1.2 is better in spades.
The Amiron is a sensually musical headphone that just envelops its listener in audio bliss and relaxation. It's sound is much warmer and slower than the T1.2 and, imo, more comfortable to wear, so im terms of musicality they absolutely mop the floor woth the T1.2 They're truthfully 2 completely different headphones so it all depends on what sound signature you personally enjoy the most.
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They most certainly do their customers right.
x Army Firedawg x yep, I tried to get the tp5 (?)
but until now, impossible.
from the us: to expensive
around europe :none
but THIS video gave me a nice hint:
the gen 1, as you said, seems to be ? in high frequencies.
and bigger around the ears.
i'd like that.
maybe some research to find a used one.
all german headphones seem to be difficult in highs for american taste.
so they change into us-style. business.
softer in highs and more bass.
to me a question of anthropology.
but no more comment on this, nobody interested,
everybody wants bass nowadays.
psycho-analytically interesting
thanks
ps: anything from your side about the schiit "equalizer"
mr tech - agent says: not for digital,
only for analogue -sources.
so who could use it for what?
thanks and guten tag again
You made a very strong point, and it's one I've noticed, and commented on in videos, is that everyone wants super strong bass. Yes, bass is important for it adds fullness to the music but don't blare it at me like the mainstream products love to do.
I also didn't even think about us being sensitive to treble. That may very well be true because when I talk to others , here in the states, and then talk with people on here who live abroad the treble issues I personally had, they don't seem to mind at all. I never even thought about that.
As for the Schiit EQ. I was only able to VERY BRIEFLY use it at the CanFest 6 meet in a Magni 3-Modi 2 build and I personally had no issues with it. The results are immediate and sound quite natural, again from my BRIEF (less than ONE song) experience with it. One thing I wish it had, and will likely adopt in future models, is a longer band, or at least 5 so there's a mid band.
x Army Firedawg x bravo
and thanks
I tried to inform about the psychoanalysis about music and it's effects on the brain.
but you are the only one who reacted in an interested way
there are academic stages about that , but I have to admit,
the majority of the headphone - community is not interested.
bass-head rule the world in every-which- way.
mozart " moz-ART" was an outsider - example.
but listen around you:
what is ruling the world?
bas - instincts
low - vibrations
the gorillas are pounding their breasts.
and the butterflies are dying....
plato and socrates knew it long time ago
boom boom boom .....
rap = raping the planet
hi
ever listened to tim buckley " good-bye and hello" ...?
the new world and their electronic shrines.....
It's a very interesting subject. Music is emotion, and headphones/speakers are just a way they can be portrayed.
And nope, never heard of him until you mentioned it. But after listening to this song (below) I can see the draw. Not my cup of tea but I can see the interest for sure.
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cheap made!!
I disagree.