great review! MSI have been reducing their high-end board range for some time: my absolute favorite was the UNIFY (have two!) but that seems to have ended in the Z690 era. Looks like CARBON is the new high-end MSI board (for those of us with more sense than money that are not seduced by the GODLIKE)
The price is rather high, until you see the price of the Godlike or the high end ASUS board I assume you are reviewing soon. thats going to have to be amazing to be worth the asking price
great looking mobo, I love the look of the tomahawk as well. their current range looks great. The ACE was always the board I wanted but i could never justify the price.
@@johnerikson2443 350 on Newegg 2 weeks ago. It dropped from 420 I think. I don’t think that is bad for a high end MB with two thunderbolt ports and 4 m.2 with pcie 5.0. The only feature it’s missing is 5gbe and WiFi 7. I don’t use WiFi and 2.5gbe is all I need considering my internet is maxed at 1gbe. I can always add a 10gbe network card or something later on if needed. So 150 cheaper than this board with all the important features for me is a steal in my eyes. My opinion might differ greatly than yours.
I have the black version amazing board, the hottest I've ever seen my 7950x3d go under load is 77 degrees. I'm using a Huge Y70 with 2x140 bottom & 3x120 side intakes, 2x140 top & 1x120 rear exhaust, Cooler Master MA824 tower cooler, TT1350watt. Best setup I've ever had.
@@Terry-cw9ty I think a lot of the new features are not really needed by most people, the higher spec memory support with solid VRM updates should help, USB 4- I am not bothered about. Still I like this carbon board, its really well spec'd but everything is so expensive now, you will always get better deals on stuff thats last generation. How are you finding the asrock bios? been a while since I had an asrock board, but they seem pretty solid now after a few years of missing the mark
@@buyingastairwaytoheaven5252 Its going to have been built on some api running in C and with more apis the more chances there are for massive security issues. Cant beat the old machine code ones.
Their low end boards are so good, its even hard to justify this one, although the power delivery looks to be a much higher level than the budget boards
Great video Leo. Haven’t watched d the benchmarking bit yet but the changes to the bios and the board overview was excellent. SSD performance was good but nothing stunning
That is a really quality looking board. under £500 today , seems like a great buy, although I would imagine a lot of people will not upgrade, or go shopping online for something cheaper. Not sure a lot of these features are mainstream, but good to see such a potential power delivery - means the caps will be running cool at normal loads for the CPUS used.
Why there are not gaming test with r7 7800x3d and x870e ? Is this due to some amd guidelines. I mean people who are buying these are probably more than interested to see the performance also with x3d processors (as gamers). This is due the prices of x670e motherboards haven't really dropped anywhere and if you example are going to buy the motherboard for gaming you probably have or want to have something with x3d processor in it.
I picked up the X670E carbon wifi on sale last year for 400usd. I'm mostly happy with it. I'm not happy with the PCIE slot spacing though. The ACE has better slot spacing.
If the new 870e board is an 8-layer PCB, and the older 670e board was only a 6-layer PCB, the extra layers in the new board may have allowed better performance from the 8000 MT/s RAM. My understanding is that the traces would be better isolated from noise in an 8-layer arrangement.
Its a decent board - nice featureset, looks good, they put effort into the ports and layout - but its not really a huge upgrade from the last gen unless you specifically need DDR5 8000 and or USB 4
@Praireboy-hg8ip Hey, they're never going to be able to afford one themselves, but quite a lot of people like seeing Ferraris and Lambourginis being reviewed on car programmes. It's nice to see the "luxury" end of the market. 🙂😅
If you run at 8000 the uclk goes to 1:2 you can only run at most 6400 1:1. So the 8000 is useless. And yes I've benched it at 8000 and everything between and 6400 1:1 is fastest. I have the high cine 23 score right now at this setting. 44,734.
My first Ryzen motherboard was the x370 gaming pro carbon from MSI. and it was AMAZING. And then a generation later with x470, all the youtubers (gamers nexus, hardware unboxed) started going over VRM design, and claimed "the x370 gaming pro carbon from MSI has THE WORST VRM design of all motherboards and can't overclock" and i just, facepalmed. Because I had been running the x370 GPC with my 1800x, at 4.2ghz at 1.5v.... which everyone said "was not possible" because "you can't get more than 4ghz".... and yet, I did it, with "the worst VRM design of any motherboard on the market".... which I can't help but laugh, because at the time a lot of youtubers were being paid by motherboard makers as sponsors. And you could watch WHO was sponsoring them each generation. When MSI sponsored everyone first generation, no one said ANY bad shit about MSI. X470 generation it was ASROCK and x570 it was Gigabyte. And you could see that sponsorship effecting video quality. MSI wasn't "trash" until the sponsorships ended.... which, what? why was it fine when it was new, but bad when x470 came out? why would you buy a budget x370 board when the budget x470 board was better at the same price new vs new? like lmao. In my own experience, MSI makes THE BEST motherboard on the market, period. Its just facts. The highest world record for CPU and Memory overclocking are all on MSI. Someone might bring up EVGA motherboards.... 1-limited availability because even when they were actually making boards, it was in extremely low numbers (niche) and 2-they dont exist anymore in terms of gpu/motherboard.... so lmao. the king is MSI.
A lot of money, but if you want a high end board and arent willing to sell your car for a godlike - its a good deal. I wonder how this compares to the ACE - next level up from this one
It's not cheap but its feature set is pretty decent it's got basically everything you need to be the basis of a really nice build. Can we see what the fuss is about the Godlike board please?
Awesome video I'm currently using a X670E Taichi I had to get after watching that review from a year ago, what I'd like to see is a new updated side by side comparison chart of a 7950x3d in the X670E & X870E running the same game with the new game optimizations. Are those figures available or will they be? It'd be interesting to see the differences between the 2 with the ram clocks being different.
Great video as always Leo! I just got this MB today from Newegg. I put Crucial T700 1TB NVME in first slot next to CPU and the thermal pads dont even touch the T700 on the top or bottom of NVME and I cant find sound equalizer/software in the sound driver on the USB included. Not on MSI website either. Can you tell me where to obtain this driver and production error fix?
I like the higher price for the new MB features. However, it does not offer a significant performance gain for the price. Plus, you'll need to determine the cost of new MB components to get full performance. I would not change my INTEL PC to move to AMD.
Great motherboard design but they might've goofed on the M.2 slots grouping three so close to each other and under another huge heat source of the GPU.
@KitGuruTech I've yet to test X870, so a query. Does this AGESA 1202 allow 1:1 for DDR5-6400 CL32? For customers, I have tended to go with this over 6000 CL30 in the past on the off chance of it working 1:1, however rare that might be. It's often priced the same regardless.
Thank you Leo, agreed. I look forward to testing how far the AGESA 1202 will allow. 1:1 6400 or beyond would be nice for all the boards updated, down to B650 even. Should give Ryzen 9000 a bit more appeal for customers.
@@datsweetsansabooty the first slot, it killed 2 different ssd Nmve in my case, then when I searched I found other people having the same issue, even another guy posted it happened 10 times in a microcenter review. For sure MSI didn't recognize the issue, because they are dirty as F...
Hi ,Leo could you please review the Asrock Gaming X870E Nova, cost just 345.00 US and have almost the same layout and connection features that the Asus Hero X870E have
Feel a bit cheated. X670e was x16/x0 or x8/x8. X870e is x16/x0 or x8/x4. X870e also notes PCI_E1 & PCI_E2 & M.2_2 share the bandwidth Also, would be interested in seeing results of 6400 C32 memory on these charts.
@@KitGuruTech That second pcie slot by 8 on 670E variant could house 2 more nvme ssd with help of pcie add-in card and on that platform you could have up to 7 nvme ssd running simultaneously,but this isn't case for X870E you could loose 1 or 2 nvme ssd depending on sharing lanes
DDR8000, still quite cost prohibitive isnt it - the gains dont look worth it for a gamer, unless you just had a 4090 or 5090 soon and wanted the best of everything I guess
Is that two full PCIe v5 x16 slots or do they become x8/x8 if both are used? And a slightly odd question: does the BIOS support keyboards through USB hubs?
The second slot is x4, presumably to keep the graphics constantly happy. I haven't even thought about a USB hub for a desktop PC is many, many years. This board has heaps of USB-C and all the Type-A you could wish for. Leo
@@KitGuruTech The question about using a hub arises because my PC is in a cupboard in the corner and my keyboard goes via a hub to the PC. Going direct would require an extender cable.
I agree that in the current market conditions and given current AMD CPU releases, for most people these boards aren't currently worth it. And you might as well stick with older boards and CPUs. But depending on how forthcoming X3D chips perform, they may come into their own in the next 12 months.
How many PCIe lanes do you need? Cmon man, nobody needs these overpriced nonsense boards. If you wanna do REAL heavy work, youll go Xenon/Threadripper anyways.
*LEO clearly doesn't understand real tech ! Otherwise he would know that MSI is just crap, and that ONLY ASRock, makes the BEST motherboards !* MSI is just as bad as ASUS ! The are just full of sh*t !
There are nice benefits to be had above 6000Mhz. It’s just that AMD CPU’s have poo memory controllers which AMD refused to upgrade for this gen. A golden chip which can run 6400Mhz at 1:1 fabric clock enjoys a nice little bump in performance.
@@KitGuruTech They haven’t updated the fabric clock at all so I don’t understand how 9000 series all of the sudden benefits more from higher speeds when the fabric clock can’t run 1:1 at 8000MHz DDR5
That's an interesting take - what is it based on? our test charts clearly show that is not the case. I assume you have your own figures using AGESA 1202 that can substantiate your accusation. Leo
go look at the frame chasers videos he did testing that ryzen is faster with a clock divider of 1:1 ! and when the multiplier is set to half that to achieve ddr8k that it amounts to a regression in performance.
500 is still a hefty sum to pay for a mobo...these literally cost the manufacturer about 75 dollars to make. 90 percent of the board manuf is automated.
I like Leo's analysis , always very level headed and chilled - not 'end of the world' style like we get all the time
great review! MSI have been reducing their high-end board range for some time: my absolute favorite was the UNIFY (have two!) but that seems to have ended in the Z690 era. Looks like CARBON is the new high-end MSI board (for those of us with more sense than money that are not seduced by the GODLIKE)
I'm running an X570 Unify right now as well, sad to see it not return. Likely going to grab the Carbon, though. It looks good too.
The price is rather high, until you see the price of the Godlike or the high end ASUS board I assume you are reviewing soon. thats going to have to be amazing to be worth the asking price
Thanks Leo, good tech breakdown at the start, the board itself seems solid as we though, if nothing massively groundbreaking (as we all thought)
I have one of these ordered for a project ! Great timing 🤘🏻
me too! 70 dollar rebate and a free ssd cant go wrong with that! essentially makes the cost of the board sub 400 USD for me
Yeah agree 💯
@@Aradmahogany1991 That board is $700 Canadian here
great looking mobo, I love the look of the tomahawk as well. their current range looks great. The ACE was always the board I wanted but i could never justify the price.
Thats a stunning looking subtle under the radar board
Msi have made some great boards. Only issue is that they often don’t update bios as fast or often as gigabyte or ASUs.
I do like white motherboards but carbon black looks very cool indeed. Might even be a bit better for heat disappation
Glad I got a steal on the asrock taichi x670e. These new MBs just aren’t worth the extra price for 99 percent of people.
How much was it man ?
@@johnerikson2443 350 on Newegg 2 weeks ago. It dropped from 420 I think. I don’t think that is bad for a high end MB with two thunderbolt ports and 4 m.2 with pcie 5.0. The only feature it’s missing is 5gbe and WiFi 7. I don’t use WiFi and 2.5gbe is all I need considering my internet is maxed at 1gbe. I can always add a 10gbe network card or something later on if needed. So 150 cheaper than this board with all the important features for me is a steal in my eyes. My opinion might differ greatly than yours.
I have the black version amazing board, the hottest I've ever seen my 7950x3d go under load is 77 degrees. I'm using a Huge Y70 with 2x140 bottom & 3x120 side intakes, 2x140 top & 1x120 rear exhaust, Cooler Master MA824 tower cooler, TT1350watt. Best setup I've ever had.
Hyte Y70 sorry
@@Terry-cw9ty I think a lot of the new features are not really needed by most people, the higher spec memory support with solid VRM updates should help, USB 4- I am not bothered about. Still I like this carbon board, its really well spec'd but everything is so expensive now, you will always get better deals on stuff thats last generation.
How are you finding the asrock bios? been a while since I had an asrock board, but they seem pretty solid now after a few years of missing the mark
The board has a really neat bios. Wendell was talking about some of the memory features on it. Thanks Leo.
Its an amazing bios but with all that complexity comes problems.
What problems ?
@@buyingastairwaytoheaven5252 Its going to have been built on some api running in C and with more apis the more chances there are for massive security issues. Cant beat the old machine code ones.
With the mandatory adoption of USB4 and Wifi-7, there is probably not enough market separation between the Ace and Carbon.
I may have to cough up the dough for this because it’s the best looking board I’ve ever seen and having the additional features is just a bonus.
Good point about the buttons being too close together. Should have put one at the top, one at the back and one at the bottom.
Thanks Leo - good review
Great board - loads of connectivity and looks fantastic.
Their low end boards are so good, its even hard to justify this one, although the power delivery looks to be a much higher level than the budget boards
Great video Leo. Haven’t watched d the benchmarking bit yet but the changes to the bios and the board overview was excellent. SSD performance was good but nothing stunning
That is a really quality looking board. under £500 today , seems like a great buy, although I would imagine a lot of people will not upgrade, or go shopping online for something cheaper. Not sure a lot of these features are mainstream, but good to see such a potential power delivery - means the caps will be running cool at normal loads for the CPUS used.
Its probably not work an upgrade but if you're doing a new build its totally worth it.
Why there are not gaming test with r7 7800x3d and x870e ? Is this due to some amd guidelines. I mean people who are buying these are probably more than interested to see the performance also with x3d processors (as gamers). This is due the prices of x670e motherboards haven't really dropped anywhere and if you example are going to buy the motherboard for gaming you probably have or want to have something with x3d processor in it.
Hope to see mag 870 tomahawk review soon
Mystic meg lighting. Love it.
Awesome board, thanks Leo
I like that GPU PCI express release button.
I think for the price and what you get its a pretty good deal overall
Are you going to look at the tomahawk? its a cracking looking board, dying to get some reviews on that one from Leo
I picked up the X670E carbon wifi on sale last year for 400usd. I'm mostly happy with it. I'm not happy with the PCIE slot spacing though. The ACE has better slot spacing.
If the new 870e board is an 8-layer PCB, and the older 670e board was only a 6-layer PCB, the extra layers in the new board may have allowed better performance from the 8000 MT/s RAM. My understanding is that the traces would be better isolated from noise in an 8-layer arrangement.
Both are 8 layer.
Its a decent board - nice featureset, looks good, they put effort into the ports and layout - but its not really a huge upgrade from the last gen unless you specifically need DDR5 8000 and or USB 4
USB4 might make it worth getting those specs are amazing.
Good review as always Leo, thanks again. But the price is too steep, I am keeping my X650E
Yeah its not worth the incremental upgrade.
So, just getting the MSI X670E GAMING PLUS, will be still on par with these
BIOS looks much much better now
ohhhhh. MSI. I was hoping to see the high end ASUS board first but this is sexy
The £700 board ? You got some deep pockets man 😂😮
@Praireboy-hg8ip Hey, they're never going to be able to afford one themselves, but quite a lot of people like seeing Ferraris and Lambourginis being reviewed on car programmes.
It's nice to see the "luxury" end of the market. 🙂😅
@@Praireboy-hg8ip 700 quid for a desktop board is ridiculous
I have a soft spot for MSI.
That is a great looking board tbf !
DDR8000. wow my system feels like something from the dark ages now after seeing this rig
If you run at 8000 the uclk goes to 1:2 you can only run at most 6400 1:1. So the 8000 is useless. And yes I've benched it at 8000 and everything between and 6400 1:1 is fastest. I have the high cine 23 score right now at this setting. 44,734.
My first Ryzen motherboard was the x370 gaming pro carbon from MSI. and it was AMAZING. And then a generation later with x470, all the youtubers (gamers nexus, hardware unboxed) started going over VRM design, and claimed "the x370 gaming pro carbon from MSI has THE WORST VRM design of all motherboards and can't overclock" and i just, facepalmed. Because I had been running the x370 GPC with my 1800x, at 4.2ghz at 1.5v.... which everyone said "was not possible" because "you can't get more than 4ghz".... and yet, I did it, with "the worst VRM design of any motherboard on the market".... which I can't help but laugh, because at the time a lot of youtubers were being paid by motherboard makers as sponsors. And you could watch WHO was sponsoring them each generation. When MSI sponsored everyone first generation, no one said ANY bad shit about MSI. X470 generation it was ASROCK and x570 it was Gigabyte. And you could see that sponsorship effecting video quality. MSI wasn't "trash" until the sponsorships ended.... which, what? why was it fine when it was new, but bad when x470 came out? why would you buy a budget x370 board when the budget x470 board was better at the same price new vs new? like lmao. In my own experience, MSI makes THE BEST motherboard on the market, period. Its just facts. The highest world record for CPU and Memory overclocking are all on MSI. Someone might bring up EVGA motherboards.... 1-limited availability because even when they were actually making boards, it was in extremely low numbers (niche) and 2-they dont exist anymore in terms of gpu/motherboard.... so lmao. the king is MSI.
day-by-day the pc gaming era fades away...
A lot of money, but if you want a high end board and arent willing to sell your car for a godlike - its a good deal. I wonder how this compares to the ACE - next level up from this one
If you put an M.2 drive in that 2nd position you don't get full bandwidth on the GPU slot. Not sure if it matters much.
I do like this board, though.
It's not cheap but its feature set is pretty decent it's got basically everything you need to be the basis of a really nice build. Can we see what the fuss is about the Godlike board please?
Reasonable price, mid to high end, loaded with everything - makes the ACE and Godlike seem excessive as it has everything most people would need
@4:29 I wish I had a “smart” button 😂
Awesome video I'm currently using a X670E Taichi I had to get after watching that review from a year ago, what I'd like to see is a new updated side by side comparison chart of a 7950x3d in the X670E & X870E running the same game with the new game optimizations. Are those figures available or will they be? It'd be interesting to see the differences between the 2 with the ram clocks being different.
Maybe even a DDR5 6000 to 8000 swap in the X870E would be a good comparison too .
I will certainly re-test 7950X3D on X870E when we get the new Ryzen 9 3D CPUs but I won't back-to-back with X670E
Leo
Great video as always Leo!
I just got this MB today from Newegg. I put Crucial T700 1TB NVME in first slot next to CPU and the thermal pads dont even touch the T700 on the top or bottom of NVME and I cant find sound equalizer/software in the sound driver on the USB included. Not on MSI website either.
Can you tell me where to obtain this driver and production error fix?
If this had been all black with no RGB logos or weird branding designs it would have looked good.
MSI seems to reserve the Unify look for Intel
Leo
I like the higher price for the new MB features. However, it does not offer a significant performance gain for the price. Plus, you'll need to determine the cost of new MB components to get full performance. I would not change my INTEL PC to move to AMD.
Great motherboard design but they might've goofed on the M.2 slots grouping three so close to each other and under another huge heat source of the GPU.
Glad it looks like the price dropped since leo said around £500 in the video and it seems to be £70 less.
AMDs platform is looking better and better. Pair this with a new Zen 5 and you're golden for quite a few years.
power delivery seems very good but excessive for what its meant to be partnering with ?
@KitGuruTech I've yet to test X870, so a query. Does this AGESA 1202 allow 1:1 for DDR5-6400 CL32? For customers, I have tended to go with this over 6000 CL30 in the past on the off chance of it working 1:1, however rare that might be. It's often priced the same regardless.
That is pretty much the point of AGESA 1202 - no more valley of death with faster memory
Leo
Thank you Leo, agreed. I look forward to testing how far the AGESA 1202 will allow. 1:1 6400 or beyond would be nice for all the boards updated, down to B650 even. Should give Ryzen 9000 a bit more appeal for customers.
I'm thinking of getting this one or the Taichi or PG Nova from Asrock. 🤔
For the first time I am ditching Asus for this board. All the screw ups from Asus in the past years made my mind up.
killer board. Quite expensive but it’s fully loaded. That godlike board is insane. Isn’t it like a grand ?
1,200 USD here in the states -_- ridiculous.
@@Aradmahogany1991 Thats too much.
@@jamesjessenden7838 it's 10-layer PCB. it's a server grade board.
@@minhtthach7754 So what exactly does it have over this one?
I like MSI, thankfully it does not appear that you have to install Dragon Center bloatware.
Clear CMOS b utton at the back, yay for MSI
Where are the mATX options and seems like these boards are being price inflated without many new features
Any updates on the new gen of X3D ? when are they coming out
Did they fix the killing Nmve ssd feature they have on the x670 carbon? And the customer service?
Can you explain this? Is it a specific slot that’s being killed? And how?
@@datsweetsansabooty the first slot, it killed 2 different ssd Nmve in my case, then when I searched I found other people having the same issue, even another guy posted it happened 10 times in a microcenter review. For sure MSI didn't recognize the issue, because they are dirty as F...
Mixing 2.5G and 5G is just silly. Please just provide two 10G with backward (lower-speed) compatibility
Is that a chipset limitation?
The boards are expensive enough as it is.
@@RavTokomi honestly it wouldn't make a big difference if they didn't blow their markups as usual
@@philipjfry628 no not really
@@b1lleman Bit annoying then should have just stuck a pair of 10G ports. They saving that for the Godlike maybe?
Hi ,Leo could you please review the Asrock Gaming X870E Nova, cost just 345.00 US and have almost the same layout and connection features that the Asus Hero X870E have
Why does that godlike cost so much money?
420W max power delivery? wow what the heck for ....
Does it have eclock Gen? Or are they hiding that feature behind the Godlike paywall?
Where are the $100 moboards?
Shit, just ordered second x670e carbon today and x870e is released and even few dollars cheaper... That's bad luck.
Feel a bit cheated. X670e was x16/x0 or x8/x8.
X870e is x16/x0 or x8/x4.
X870e also notes PCI_E1 & PCI_E2 & M.2_2 share the bandwidth
Also, would be interested in seeing results of 6400 C32 memory on these charts.
You raise an interesting point. Assuming no-one is using dual graphics cards these days, what use do you have for PCIe beyond M.2 storage?
Leo
yeah its a bit bad sharing the b andwidth
@@KitGuruTech That second pcie slot by 8 on 670E variant could house 2 more nvme ssd with help of pcie add-in card and on that platform you could have up to 7 nvme ssd running simultaneously,but this isn't case for X870E you could loose 1 or 2 nvme ssd depending on sharing lanes
@@TheMB1205 Theoretically, but at that point how many SSDs do you use? If that is your thing, check out Apex Storage
www.apexstoragedesign.com/
Leo
@@Linuxdistro15-ih8ox Asrock boards don't have pcie lane tunneling. they're always x16
X670E is better, No lane sharing with PCIE so you can use all the M.2 SSD drives.
X670E AND X870E TO COMPARE IN FPS.. like this we can not know..
128GB/s max bandwidth is that the same as the 670E?
Huh I didn't think the chiplet based Ryzens could run above DDR5 6000.
AGESA 1202 changes that ua-cam.com/video/harNiC8Btg4/v-deo.html
DDR8000, still quite cost prohibitive isnt it - the gains dont look worth it for a gamer, unless you just had a 4090 or 5090 soon and wanted the best of everything I guess
I found a MSI MEG X670e godlike, never used, still in wrapping for $850 and snapped it up. These x870's aren't worth it!
Is that two full PCIe v5 x16 slots or do they become x8/x8 if both are used?
And a slightly odd question: does the BIOS support keyboards through USB hubs?
The second slot is x4, presumably to keep the graphics constantly happy. I haven't even thought about a USB hub for a desktop PC is many, many years. This board has heaps of USB-C and all the Type-A you could wish for.
Leo
@@KitGuruTech The question about using a hub arises because my PC is in a cupboard in the corner and my keyboard goes via a hub to the PC. Going direct would require an extender cable.
8000 i did 2 years back on a Z690 Dark KinGppin. AMD is late
$500 btw. Same performance as a $160 b650 mobo for a 7800x3d
Not really the same feature set though
I agree that in the current market conditions and given current AMD CPU releases, for most people these boards aren't currently worth it. And you might as well stick with older boards and CPUs.
But depending on how forthcoming X3D chips perform, they may come into their own in the next 12 months.
How many PCIe lanes do you need? Cmon man, nobody needs these overpriced nonsense boards.
If you wanna do REAL heavy work, youll go Xenon/Threadripper anyways.
Not always. Single threaded workloads prefer desktop CPUs with high clock speeds.
@@leviathan5207 Ha! Don't waste money on an "overpriced board" but get a "threadripper". You seen how much Threadrippers cost?
Why this new motherboard if they give with 0% improvement in performance.
Drr5 8000mgh is to expensive for max 2% improvement over ddr5 6000mgh😮
That's a Lotta $ for some USB connectivity 😂
Oh yes Leo likes this motherboard but does he like the price? 😂
Godlike. Really? REALLY?
DDR5 8000 with the same bandwidth as DDR4.
Um, no ua-cam.com/video/x4mu-MoviU8/v-deo.html
*LEO clearly doesn't understand real tech ! Otherwise he would know that MSI is just crap, and that ONLY ASRock, makes the BEST motherboards !*
MSI is just as bad as ASUS ! The are just full of sh*t !
saying the name every single time in full is unnecessary and annoying tbh
DDR5 8000 is pointless for AMD CPUs. They've said it themselves there is no benefit to higher than 6000mhz.
There are nice benefits to be had above 6000Mhz. It’s just that AMD CPU’s have poo memory controllers which AMD refused to upgrade for this gen. A golden chip which can run 6400Mhz at 1:1 fabric clock enjoys a nice little bump in performance.
@@Aurummorituri Yeah that's an edge case.
Most people can't run 6400MHz and 6400MHz is a far cry from 8000MHz.
You might want to read up on AGESA 1202 where AMD now says DDR5-8000 is the right choice for Zen 5 ua-cam.com/video/harNiC8Btg4/v-deo.html
@@KitGuruTech Not Zen 5. X870E motherboards only.
@@KitGuruTech They haven’t updated the fabric clock at all so I don’t understand how 9000 series all of the sudden benefits more from higher speeds when the fabric clock can’t run 1:1 at 8000MHz DDR5
are you a shill? ddr8000 is slower than drr 6000 thousand on ryzen!
That's an interesting take - what is it based on? our test charts clearly show that is not the case. I assume you have your own figures using AGESA 1202 that can substantiate your accusation.
Leo
In the event you need to do some research on AGESA 1202 you might check this out ua-cam.com/video/harNiC8Btg4/v-deo.html
go look at the frame chasers videos he did testing that ryzen is faster with a clock divider of 1:1 ! and when the multiplier is set to half that to achieve ddr8k that it amounts to a regression in performance.
this new mobos are total waste of money and time!! no wonder nobody dont buy this zen5 crap
500 is still a hefty sum to pay for a mobo...these literally cost the manufacturer about 75 dollars to make. 90 percent of the board manuf is automated.