Like the video and I'll do a push-up. C'mon, don't you want me to look like Mr. Incredible? I'll be back on camera in another few weeks. We're in the middle of moving (and have been for some time), so my main camera has been stowed away, along with my background. Once I've got the new set up, you'll be treated to my ugly mug once again. Also, that means the return of Dark Swoles.
Mr. Incredible was a b!tch because he didn’t stand on business. Everyone wanted him to team up with them and he always declined to do so. Which I respected greatly. Because some people do better solo than in a group. But when Syndrome tried to shame and guilt him into apologizing for not letting him be his sidekick Bob caved to Buddy and said he was sorry for how he treated him. Tf?! The worst thing that Bob did was obey the government and marry Helen and have children with her. He became domesticated and pathetic. And never truly recovered from it.
One thing to note: Bob is, far and away, stronger than even the most powerful non-Super. He's strong enough to bend steel just by tripping on a skateboard. Yet, even at the height of his rage breaking point, he still avoids killing both his boss and Mirage, despite being fully capable of doing so without much effort. Yet, the two of them escape his grasp with their lives (and had Mr. Huph not been thrown through a dozen walls, both of them could have probably walked away from it). Even when he's at his lowest, Bob is in control of his strength, and he won't kill those who are weaker than him just because he can. Bob Parr embodies the phrase "true masculinity is having the strength to exert your will upon others, but choosing not to use it unless absolutely necessary."
You know I just thought about this, and if your words ring true, then the whole train lawsuit might have been avoided if Mr. Incredible had simply used himself as the missing piece of that bridge. Sure, it sounds insane but he's Mr. Incredible - strength, and by extension physical endurance, are his modus operandi.
@@MrJakeros I'm pretty sure the hole in the bridge was way too large for him to have done so, and even then, he would have needed to make sure the drain's wheels all connected properly to the track on the other side to avoid derailment. It's far from simple, and given his time constraints, it would be extremely difficult for a precision-based Super, much less Mr. Incredible, who is known for Strength, not Dexterity.
Awesome quote, Dude! I'm seriously hoping Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes lives up to the Caesar-Trilogy! Also, just a minor spelling correction, you forgot to an 's' at the end of the second 'Ape' to pluralize "Apes together, strong."
in the endless quest for strength one must accept we will always fall, but what separates the ordinary from the extraordinary is how you get up from your failure
One thing you can also notice is how, during the final battle, Mr. Incredible starts to show an inclination for understanding the strengths of others and how to best use them. He trusts Dash to go long to catch the remote or for Helen to handle the Omnidroid's laser gun. A lot of media will depict someone who is very physically strong as not being the brightest and needing someone else to take the tactical lead, but the final battle depicts Mr. Incredible as adaptive, intelligent, and capable to leading others. This is something I REALLY wish the second film had touched upon more because I think it shows a very interesting progression of his character and other ways for him to be strong.
Good point. Mr Incredible really is shown to be resourceful and more than just muscle even earlier in how he defeats the first omnidroid. He figures out it’s weakness and wins even though he isn’t in peak shape yet. This comes up again in the final battle as you mentioned.
Because I'm formulating, okay! I'm taking in information! I'm processing! I'm doing the math, I'm fixing the boyfriend, and keeping the baby from turning into a flaming monster! How do I do it? By rolling with the punches, baby! I eat thunder and crap lightening, okay? Because I'm Mr. Incredible! Not "Mr. So-So" or "Mr. Mediocre Guy"! Mr. Incredible!
My only qualm is the insinuation that Mr. Incredible was ever shown to not be these things. Yes, he led a secret vigilante life from his family, but he always appreciated what they could do (was even complaining that Dash wasn't allowed to do what he could!) and was shown to be able to assess a complex situation even on his wedding day (takes care of a cat in a tree AND a high speed chase with the tree, assesses fall rate of jumper and his ability to intercept fall at a lower floor after subduing thief).
“It’s the duty of the strong to protect the weak.” I immediately picture, “I CAN’T LOSE YOU AGAIN! I’m not… not strong enough.” Proceeded by Hellen lifting up and protecting Bob’s heart. Bob may have been physically strong, but in this situation, he was the weak one needing his wife’s strength. By being willing to accept her strength, in humility, he shows his good character. Had he been prideful, he would have lost everything.
Completely agree, such a powerful moment in the film that really showcases the genuine feminine strength Helen is able to use to help Bob. Just a wonderfully vulnerable moment of honesty.
This is what women want when they say they want men to be able to show their emotions: show me, let's work on it together, and we can grow past it. The dynamic between these two was so great...until they retrograded everyone's character in the sequel. I had been looking forward to it too.
The Incredibles is easily the best superhero film, likely because it isn't trying to be. It's the story of a marriage and family and the struggles and challenges they face. The superhero setting in this story does what I love most about speculative fiction. It mythicizes the story and brings the metaphorical into the literal to exaggerate the point. The Incredibles does this flawlessly.
Great points and for me, its one of the best superhero movies ever made in history. It makes a beautiful presentation about how Superheroes can be complex characters showing their invulnerable but also vulnerable sides to balance things out. My favourite superhero movies have this great element of balance that is so important.
And it's also a great super hero movie. Powers are cool, characters have personality, fights are clever and exciting, the animation is good, opponents... everything is great. The Nemesis is among the best ever written Even as pure super hero movie, it's among the top
I absolutely love the theory that it is full of her awards. It fits so well with her character in contrast to Bob. I can’t believe I never thought of it on my own
@@chaosgyro Incredibles 2 was inferior to Incredibles 1, but it wasn't because of the characters. Bob's growth of learning that his house-wife's job was much harder than he gave her credit for, and accepting his role as a father can still be a hero. And Helen learning that getting back out in the field wasn't all it was cracked up to be and that being with her family is where she truly belongs. Both parents gained a reminder than being a parent is more important to them than their glory days as a hero.
@@scipocelah6677Yeah definitely agree. Incredibles 2 is not nearly as bad as a sequel as The legend of Quora. Are both huge influential IP’s? Of course they are, we’re talking about them right now. But, ATLA at its core strived at worldbuilding and understanding the fragility of characters and their flaws. The same goes for the incredibles double feature, except it continues that trend with a direct sequel. The character development isn’t gone, Dash simply takes a backseat (I really wish he got way more focus than he did, he got done dirty) and Violet is much more forward than she was in the first movie. That’s about all that changes. Helen essentially experiences the same thing Bob does with less to think about, and the movies end the same: Frozone saves the day, as the kids become a huge help along with the help of their parent who wasn’t fighting from the start. TLOQ sucked because it essentially lacked any growth whatsoever. Quora was a bad protagonist, and exudes none of the traits the viewer was ever told an avatar should be. That’s fine, as long as there is some sort of development from there, but there never was. In conclusion (if you ever even make it this far lol) ATLA would’ve survived with a better sequel if it were a direct continuation of events. The avatar joins the White Lotus and thwarts all attempts of a growing resistance against the peace. Strongest Avatar we’ve ever seen, with glaring ignorance and naivety that only their peers are wise enough to see. (Traits that TLOQ has in some areas) The incredibles, on the other hand, deserves a time skip. The super family known for saving the entire city they serve has now grown up a little. Elasti-Girl and Mr. incredible are both exiting their service, and raising a teen-aged Jack-Jack, while his siblings are interested in fighting crime. The story goes along with the tale of naivety, and never forgetting where you came from. Maybe Dash becomes a big shot hero, while his sister, Violet, struggles with popularity. As Dash grows, the bigger the target on his back. Violet isn’t there to protect him and it ends up being on his family, namely Violet, to save him because his circle of “friends” was fake. Somewhat like The incredibles 2, but with an adjustment for time. See, I’ve fixed the stories so that they’d be better sequels, but a lot of heavy lifting is required for ATLA because of how important that story is, and, more importantly, the terms the reader is left with at the end of the first installment.
I JUST NOTICED! THE OLD LADY THAT MR. INCREDIBLE IS HELPING IN THE INSURANCE COMPANY IS THE EXACT SAME LADY WHOSE CAT HE SAVED ALL THOSE YEARS AGO! Also Samwise, thanks for doing these videos! In a world that seems to think that masculinity is a toxic trait, you help remind people that there is nothing wrong with masculinity or femininity.
One detail I love about his "I'm not strong enough scene" with Helen is that there is a great sense of guilt and shame in him because he is the one to blame for almost losing them, so when he orders them to stay in the car is not because he thinks he is strong to take on the omni droid alone but rather because he wouldn't be able to live with himself if he put them in danger again. So when Helen kisses him it's very much a comforting kiss as it is a passionate one. I brings everythings in this scene together soo damn beautifully.
“I’m not strong enough” is a trope of the superhero genre that I don’t think can be overused. Tony Stark, obsessing over protecting the people he cares about, yet ever fearful that it will never be enough. Times when Barry Allen, even as the Flash, was just not fast enough. Luisa Madrigal, who was secretly caving under the pressure of being the -oldest and- strongest child of the family. Heck, Anakin Skywalker even fits the trope, albeit more as a cautionary tale. It’s honestly so humanizing to see these powerhouses cave to the crippling feeling of inadequacy. It echoes a solemn truth that no one is immune to the toxic cycle of not being “good enough.”
@@rRecoveryProd Is she? I always assumed she was the oldest because she gets mentioned before Isabella in “Family Madrigal” and in “Surface Pressure” she sings “give it to your sister, your sister’s older” but she could just mean older than specifically mirabel. I guess it was probably mostly the vibe I got from her as feeling that responsibility. And I relate to her most as the oldest daughter in my family. I could totally be wrong here.
I think that's actually the main dislike people have with Marvel's new heroes. They're overpowered and perfect (to the writer), but they also *think* they're perfect and don't have fears of failure or try to improve. To add to the list, there's Toby Maguire from the Spiderman I grew up with, pretty much the entire cast of X-men, and Harry Potter to draw from popular movies. :)
Something that I noticed when watching this video (though it unfortunately didn't get mentioned) is that the line "We're in this together, for better or for worse" (i.e. Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl's wedding vows) are not only said at the beginning of their journey when they get married but also at the crux and climax, just before they fight they Omnidroid. That (i.e. their wedding vows) are what proves to be strong enough to defeat the threat to their family.
Since becoming a husband and father this video and the movie bring me to tears. Reliance on your spouse is a virtue to understand and be proud of. Always working together to be a better team
What I love about Mr incredible is that his physical strength is never in question. It’s his moral strength that gets tested. When he starts lying to his loved ones that’s when things go wrong for him, when he’s using his strength for thrills and glory
@@DhirC35 It's the morality of it that's being tested. It was still for a reason, and still influences events in a better way, but morally it was wrong. That's what we come to recognize. That isn't virtue signaling.
@@Content_Deleted and thats just life. These things are necessary sometimes. Everything is not black and white. In that situation IT IS the moral thing to do.
@@DhirC35 Things are black and white, and I'm tired of being told they're not. Just because you're not smart enough to spot black from white doesn't mean they're not real. Utilitarianism is a failure.
It wasn't his decision. The government stepped in when public sentiment turned against supers and helped them go underground by giving them new identities and new homes. If a new firefighter was routinely walking into burning buildings and carrying five people out on his back and treating it like nothing, people would ask questions pretty quickly. Being a desk worker, on the other hand, is a great cover for someone who is super strong.
When I was a kid "The Incredibles" was never my favorite movie. Now that I can watch it and appreciate it as an adult, I realize how good it really is. Being about a midlife crisis I'd have to say this is the most adult animation I think we will ever see from Pixar
This video hits really hard, and I needed it rn. As a kid, elementary through high school, I never got anything lower than a C. I was an exceptional student. I had no anxieties about my future. Then I went to community college. It was an entirely different environment. I had to force social interaction, the professors weren't as invested in me as teachers used to be, it was much more impersonal, and I didn't have any real desire to be there. It's been draining and depressing. My first year, I was getting low Bs and low Cs, and I was honest about it with my parents. Last year, I failed most of my classes, and I hid it from everyone in my life. This past year, they wouldn't let me back in the fall semester, and my advisor only let me retake one class this semester. It was going okay until my laptop crashed. I lost 2 weeks. Then I ran out of my ADHD medication, so I was overwhelmed and unable to catch up. All this time, I've been desperately trying to catch back up so I could come forward with the truth but soften the blow with the good news that I had improved. But that was never going to happen. Besides people I knew from college, nobody has known about this. My parents think I'm about to graduate and get my associate degree in three weeks. Tomorrow night, when none of us are busy, I'm going to tell them the truth. I've never felt more guilty or ashamed, but this is how I move forward. I'm not strong enough. I need to take a different path than college, I'm glad I finally realized that, but there is no moving forward without being honest with the ones you love and letting them help you. These past 3 years have been the worst of my life, and I have myself to blame for thinking I could get out of it on my own. This is the second time I'm talking about it. I talked to a close friend about it this past weekend, and I'm about to talk to my old youth pastor about it. Tomorrow, I stop hiding, and let my family know everything. It's going to be the hardest thing I've ever done, but without doing that myself, there's no moving forward. If you're reading this, trust me. Always be up front with the people you love, even if it's hard, or it will be much more painful if you wait. We are stronger when we rely on those we love. Edit: I talked to my parents, my dad was understanding and forgiving. My mom said she loves me, but it will take a while for her to even process what happened. I can't expect her to forgive me until she comes to terms with the situation. I understand her frustration and why she feels betrayed. For at least the rest of this year, I will pick up more hours at my job to pay back wasted money, and I will wait for what I feel called to do with my life before returning to college or finding a trade to go into. It will take a while for things to fully heal, but I know they will, and I'm less anxious about my future than I've been in a long time. I appreciate all the support.
For what it's worth coming from a complete stranger, you're making the right decision. It's probably going to hurt to expose the lies but the only way out is through. Stay strong and remember that you're not alone.
Starting the conversation is the hardest part. Often times. We struggle to find the perfect way to start a conversation about being imperfect. I find the following is helpful to me. Mom, Dad. I need help. I'm trying hard, but I'm struggling....
I’ve said it before The Incredibles is a better than perfect movie. Bob’s scenes after his family is “killed”, when Mirage & Helen rescued him, and the mentioned “I’m not strong enough!” Those scenes stay with you.
I think it's worth mentioning that Bob is almost always zoned out until he feels like he has a purpose again. At which point he is much more attentive to his family. True he should be attentive in general, but it does show just how much difference having purpose is to men. And it does so accurately.
As a man shouldering the roles of husband and father, I tend to view myself as the rock that shields and protects my family from the ferocious storms of the outside world! It becomes easy to believe that if I falter, show any cracks at all, display fear, anxiety, or despair, my family will see them and crumble. I imagine them thinking that if something is bad enough to cause me to be afraid, it must be absolutely horrific! So, I cannot fail, for if I do, my family will surely be swept away! And yet, this is a common fallacy that many of us fall victim to. This is that pride that wells up from deep within us as men and tells us we MUST be strong in all things! We get things done! People rely on us! They depend on us! Not the other way around! But that's just it... We cannot take on these roles (husband, father, etc) alone and also be successful. We will never be strong enough. And that brings me to one of the hardest lessons that I am atill learning. It is this: It is a common belief that the act of giving or generosity is a difficult, unnatural action that requires great selflessness. Generosity is lauded as heroic, but there is actually something tied to generosity that is even greater in its difficulty to carry out and higher in its achievement. It is the ability to ask for and willingly accept help when it is needed... The ability to give others the opportunity to be generous and humbly accept that generosity. It is so incredibly hard to admit that I cannot do something, that I'm scared, or that I need help. I, even to this day, will find myself doing everything I can in order to avoid these things. And yet, when I finally do, it ends up leaving me wonder why I didn't ask or say something sooner... Why was I being so stubborn? When you share your feelings, especially with a loving spouse, together, you actually become stronger! Your cracks end up being a source of even greater strength!
Genuinely, it drives me nuts when people try to claim toxic masculinity is calling masculinity toxic. It's only the toxic aspects of it. The unfeeling masculinity, the silent masculinity. Not all masculinity is toxic and I wish more people on the opposing side understood that
@@dadecalder7796well to be fair a lot of people use the word “toxic masculinity” to describe things about men they either don’t like or understand. Had a GF who said it was toxic masculinity to not always share my emotions. The fact is as a man I can choose when I share my emotions and I do when I feel it is necessary but sometimes I don’t. That’s not toxic masculinity. Also seen people describe men joking around with each other and giving each other a hard time toxic masculinity. Of course it isn’t in contexts it can be I guess but we had words for this long ago. Being a good man or a bad man. We all know the differences.
@@dadecalder7796 What drives me nuts is the way people attribute qualities like unfeeling and silent to 'masculinity'. Those qualities are the antethisis of masculinity. Masculinity is about being a better man than you were yesterday.
I recently took a Biblical Manhood course. The core of the course, and catch phrase, was "I am not enough." Rather than lifting men up, it tore down every masculine standard we adhere to and showed the strength in weakness. It was all about accepting failures, which are inevitable, and leaning on each other to fulfill our obvious weaknesses. Great video!
Stories we need more of: “death is too easy, you’ll have to *work* for your redemption arc”, the hero they didn’t want and the question of why he’s still protecting them, coming of age story disguised as a battle shounen
Fitness and coordination/strength might save either your life or someone else' life in an emergency. Being healthy also means you're less likely to die early from heart attacks, diabetes, and more. Staying honest and open with your spouse is also vital to a relationship. EDIT: Also, the Bible speaks of a man's duty to protect women/his wife, but also that the man will need the strength of his wife too.
I literally rewatched The Incredibles today. It's one of the films in my top 10 list for a number of reasons. Soundtrack, editing, storytelling and character-development are all on point! And my favorite scene is the talk bob and helen have after they get out of the RV
"I'm not strong enough" is legitimately one of my favorite lines in fiction. It's up there with "your story may not have such a happy beginning, but that doesn't make you who you are. It is the rest of your story, who you choose to be" in terms of quality
Thank you for being such a voice of reason for men caught in this modern whirlpool of over-feminization and over-masculinization. The men of the West need to be reminded about the healthy ways we can represent our masculinity and it's always refreshing to hear you reference how these examples can be appllied for a healthier masculinity to strive for. When I see things like the struggle of "Mr. Incredible" and his relatable inability to admit his weaknesses, I'm always reminded of a speech from "Guildarts Clive" in "Fairy Tail". Natsu (Main Character) was trying to fight a much stronger wizard (Guildarts) for an entrance exam to advance his rank in his guild. After Guildarts revealed his truly overwhelming strength, Natsu, who is normally supremely headstrong and prideful, had no choice but to bow down and surrender out of fear. The speech Guildarts gave after seeing this admission of weakness and watching Natsu bow before him will always stick with me and has helped to shape me into the man I am today. "A wise choice... Those with the courage to re-sheathe their blades are exceptionally rare... Fear is not "evil"... It is to know your own weakness. When you know your weakness, you can become both strong and gentle... You pass, kid!" We all have weaknesses. To ignore them is to court ruin. To acknowledge them, work on them and accept the help of others to make up for them is the path to fulfillment.
We also see Bob using his inside knowledge of the insurance company to give his customers a guaranteed on their claims, showing he's willing to put in the effort to help, even in a job he hates, even when it's going against what he's supposed to do, he's still going to try to do the right thing.
I'm just glad that someone is finally giving Bob the benefit of the doubt, and not just calling him a misogynist liar ruled by pride. He's got so much depth to him.
He definitely has pride. And I was perhaps a bit too generous and overstated his altruism. He wants to be a hero because he loves being a hero. No doubt he loves being a hero because he loves helping people, but that does get a bit lost in the early part of his arc. Which is great! Because he gets to rediscover it in a new way with his wife/family.
Something that always bugged me about this situation, was that the movie (and Helen) make his desire to save lives into purely an ego thing. "Reliving the glory days". Imagine Bob wasn't a superhero, but a fireman that was forced into insurance work, and constantly felt like his life didn't matter anymore because he wasn't saving people's lives. And everyone's response to that was 'lol, suck it up gloryhound'. We'd rightly call those people psychopaths and be done with it. The thing is Bob, _had_ to lie to Helen if he wanted to go to the island, because, I think it should be obvious, she wouldn't have let him go. Ironically, something I think is never really explored in the movie is how while Bob is given purpose by saving lives, Helen just seems to treat her hero career like it was a sort of fun job she did for a while. Honestly she comes off as not really caring about other people's livelihoods or whether they live or die. Nor does she seem to understand or care about how important being a hero is to Bob. I mean, there's no reason she couldn't be cool with him going out to save people during "bowling nights". If anything, her vehement opposition to Bob's heroism is the primary thing that drives a wedge between them. Giving the man a few hours a week to himself so he can feel fulfilled isn't a huge ask, and it's the fact that she absolutely will not let him do it openly that makes him so distant. If you think about it, most of this movie shames Bob for the problems Helen causes.
I think it is partly a glory days thing, but, as MasterSamwise points out, Bob does indeed want to help others as well. Helen’s concern about this is not just to shut him down or shame him. She is concerned about it “uprooting our family, again.” Helen even acknowledges in a scene that she knows that work is frustrating and she appreciates him. She might not realize how much he is struggling and they both have room to grow in their communication. Helen has a character arc just like Bob does. Both of them have understandable flaws that they learn to grow out of. Helen learns to embrace the use of their powers for saving people when necessary. With great power does come great responsibility. But a different great responsibility also comes with having kids. I do not believe she should just give him one night a week to be a secret superhero. That would endanger their family. It would probably be way more productive for them to talk about a job change that would be more fulfilling for Bob. Helens attitude change from her interview (like Bobs attitude change) is very interesting. She believes she shouldn’t give up hero work “I don’t think so” Bob talks about settling down. And then when they have to settle down, Helen is the one more easily able to embrace her new role. I may be over generalizing, but I think there is a male/female difference in these attitudes towards settled family life. I think women can often just feel more fulfilled by raising kids. We tend to be very relational. That doesn’t mean we never cared about our jobs. I know (and I understand this is anecdotal evidence) many women who swore they would never give up a career. Then they had kids and put it way to the side, because their kids became more important to them. I can’t speak as well as MasterSamwise to the Male perspective on this. I do find this movie to be very accurate with how men and women often react to settling down. I apologize if this was a garbled mess or added nothing new from the video.
This is probably one of the best videos regarding masculinity and personal development I've seen in a very long time. Thanks for highlighting these themes and ideas in such a classic Disney film. Greatly appreciate it!
Bob's journey throughout the movie is why Mr. Incredible is one of my favorite superheroes of all time. He can relive the glory days when he finally lets his family be a part of that adventure. As he said himself, his family is his greatest adventure. Great video man!
Absolutely beautiful. And it blows my mind that films have been teaching wholesome masculinity decades ago, and long before the term “toxic masculinity” entered mainstream discourse.
“It’s not about having confidence or not knowing fear. I’m a hero and that’s why I protect people! Once I’ve decided that in my heart, then it’s something I’d die for. Just living a life with no regrets. That’s what chivalry means to me.”-Crimson Riot
I’ve had my own long battle with internalizing the “ideal” masculinity, being able to do it all, no help, helping everyone. Through friendships, my wonderful girlfriend, and a special game I hold close to my heart, I learned that I *can’t* do it all, and that’s ok. I have friends who will support me, friends who are ok with seeing me weak and vulnerable and not think any less of me for it, friends who I can ask for help simply when I think I’m not up to the task and they can pick up where I fell out. If being masculine means supporting everyone, you must remember that everyone includes yourself, a support pillar with a cracked base can only be covered up for so long until it buckles under its own weight. Take care of yourself
You see the problem with that mentality is that people do not support men and in modern day and age actively hate them and find excuses to deem them evil and destroy them so they are more easily used as stepping stools for personal gain. If a man ain't stupid and have half a brain cell he would know that he is the only one to support himself and at that point when you are strong why support all the crappy people who scorn you but exalt you now when you are powerful, why would a man even want anything from them when one is strong enough for themself and have already gotten so far and done so much themself its clear a man would not need them, he already proven he only needs himself. You say a man cant be that correct? better yet maybe you cant be , maybe some other guys cant, maybe that's what you tell yourself. but I don't care, go right ahead and do that chief, that belief validates your life style is all, you couldn't care less or think anymore pass that point. being masculine is best telling everyone else to screw off and doing what for ones own best self, screw off with their demands, screw off with their expectations, screw off with them telling you what to do, especially these coming years of hate and disgust towards men, openly accepted. Tell men what is masculine? why ? so then they must follow your commands and criterias? Bottom line is what fool would take advice from people who do not care about them but care solely about themself and what they can get from you. Masculinity is knowing the strength and power of rebellion and not bending to the greed and selfishness of the others and their community that hates them. Its knowing and accepting strength comes and ends with ones self, its foolish to proclaim strength from others while people scorn weak men, they scorn men who are not strong enough for themself to begin with, its ironic. . No, I know what masculinity is, Masculinity is rubbish , Its whatever any clown can make it out to be to feel better about themself, to validate their own life choices. I couldn't careless what it want to be, its just another word used to make demands of another person or to exalt and validate themself that "THIS IS WHAT MASCULINITY IS" they proclaim proudly and then point to their own life and personal beleif like a clown.
My man really hid a Brandon Sanderson video inside this Incredibles video all with the Dad of War ost in the background, where have you been all my life
9:19, Robin Williams is a great example. He was quite depressed yet still brought happiness to others. I was raised quite sad/depressed due to personal incurable health issues, yet i ended up being that loner guy who made sad people feel better. Sure, i might be heavily depressed, but because of that, i understand it. Due to that, i was/am able to make people feel better by not leading them to a depressed path. As they say, "the one who has gone thru the most pain can be the most hurt, or the most helpful".
It’s so brilliant and beautiful for a character, a superhero who is DEFINED by his being strong, to realize that he is not strong enough. For a man who has so much predisposed strength to realize that he can never have enough of it. No man is an island. Absolutely brilliant.
This movie is the prime example of why I detest the argument: "Animated movies don't have to be good if it's meant for kids". Yes, most animated media in the west is catered for young children but don't forget that they are first and foremost a family movie. A movie that both children and adults can get something out of. Even as a kid I understood a lot of the nuance regarding Bob's and Helen's Character arcs but of course not completely until i reached adulthood.
This is such an underrated channel. It's become one of my new favorite channels. I love the insight you have on all your vids. Keep up the awesome videos 🫡🫡
Mr Incredible is the definition of positive masculinity, using your strength to lift others up while also over coming your own pride to let others help you when you need it. Be a rock when you need to, but dont get so used to being a rock that you never let anyone in. Always try to be better, and never put anyone down because they arent on your level
This was honestly so heartwarming to watch, there's never too much discussion and appreciation for what healthy masculinity looks like and we could use more of that in this day and age. We're strongest when we face ourselves and accept our weaknesses and accept help instead of shut it out.
This video came at a really good time for me. I'm currently struggling at home with my wife as I'm working a lot of overtime to help with expenses and she is taking care of our one-year-old. I find my very little time off I have immense guilt when spending it alone and I end up attempting to do everything myself when home or just completely give up and don't help at all. Lots of feelings that I'm not good enough, and I know I need to ask for help and try to work together. Thanks for your insight, I'm really going to try and modify my behavior and takeaway a lot from this video. Great content as always, keep it up!
This might be my favorite video you've made for me personally. I think the Kratos analysis is the best content, but this? This is the most inspiring piece for me. This is the most encouragement ive had in this weird nebulous space ive been in looking for anything. A ledge to cling to. Thanks buddy.
As a Men’s Coach, I can’t begin to tell you how much I love and champion your perspective on masculinity. I share your videos with my clients and tell them it’s MANDATORY to watch the Iroh vid lol Keep doing you, brotha.
I was not expecting to hear a Sanderson wuote in the middle of a video about the Incredibles. Life before Death, Strength before Weakness, Journey before Destination
Right after he said that, you can see that Helen GETS it. Everything he's done since he started on the whole thing with Syndrome suddenly makes sense and she GETS it. In her own way, she lets him know that she understands his feelings, expresses her own, and THAT moment of vulnerability created the team they'd been striving to be since they got married.
This is one of my favorite movies of all time! And this was one of the best video essays that I have seen in YEARS! Thanks for putting this out there. This made my day!
Bob Parr/Mr. Incredible is that example of "good masculinity" that we all want. He's not perfect, he's got plenty of failings in his own right, but even with all his power and strength, he's just a man trying to provide for his family, help others, and be the partner/father that Helen and the kids deserve. What strikes me about the married life portion before he starts being a hero again isn't so much that he hates his family, it's that you can see that he *knows* he's failing them. And it aches.
The mentality of "Strenght" can be defined by the fact you don't need to be physically strong. But rather be willing to take action that are drastic when necessary.
Yeah Incredibles has always been one of my favorites. It and Treasure Planet live in same space in my head. Treasure Planet would be a great video topic. Underappreciated classic.
In my opinion Treasure Planet has the best masculine protagonist in all Disney movies and in general one of the best Disney males and next to them are Aladdin, Milo and Tarzan
@@sambrown6426 Look up "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex." And then consider how Helen's elasticity would keep that from happening with Bob. An *incredible* bit of forethought from Pixar's writers.
This really means a lot to me, Ive had some hard times over the last few years. My mental health forced me to drop out of college and move back in with my family. The idea of not being strong enough haunted me, and to a lesser extent still haunts me. When it got to its worst, I wrote a note. It was short I felt like there wasn't anything I could say "I'm sorry I wasn't strong enough". Those six words were going to be my last, clearly it didn't end that way. What stopped me were my two younger brothers, I couldn't hurt them. So their why I worked at being stronger, mentally and physically. I know this is just a comment on a youtube but if you're reading this and you don't know if you're strong enough. You are, there are people in this world that need you and they don't want you to be a super hero they just want you.
"Two are better than one, because they have a good reward for their work. For if one falls, the other one will lift up his fellow. But woe to him who is alone when he falls and has not another to lift him up!" As much as we men recognize that we're called to be the pillar of our homes and communities, the fact is that we cannot do so alone, and this has been true since the beginning. Even in this last century, the truism has been restated as "No man is an island" (and yes, the name of the remote island Bob is taken to for his "mission" is a reference to said quote). I'll be honest, I've been feeling this for a bit now, between not being able to do the work I'm called to do and having to focus on helping take care of my aging grandfather as well as my sister and her son. I know I need this "holding pattern," but I also know how anxious it makes me and how the doubts gnaw at my mind as a result. Thankfully, this movie exists to remind me that I don't need to go it alone, that I have people I can rely on for help. Truly, one of the greatest movies of all time.
Great video Master Samwise. This is your best video by far. By the way.... The Incredibles is my favourite movie of all time. Along with The Shawshank Redemption. Two of the best films ever made.
This is a really good analysis and breakdown of this movie. You hit some really good points that I think a lot of other people fail to see or understand.
I was not going to click this video. I am not a fan of people constantly needing to have input about what masculinity should be. But I will give you a listen. Because I also want to be more open-minded. I want to not box myself to one side of the internet or ways of thought. This was nice. It was not finger wagging masculinity. There was a bit of some admirelation for it even. Just a reminder of the pitfalls of trying to do it all yourself as a man and knowing needing help doesn't make you weak.
Like the video and I'll do a push-up. C'mon, don't you want me to look like Mr. Incredible?
I'll be back on camera in another few weeks. We're in the middle of moving (and have been for some time), so my main camera has been stowed away, along with my background. Once I've got the new set up, you'll be treated to my ugly mug once again. Also, that means the return of Dark Swoles.
You got a lotta push-ups to do. I believe in you.
Please don't lose your hair
@@Rhinoxsaurus Too late. 15 years too late.
@@master_samwise nooooo!
Mr. Incredible was a b!tch because he didn’t stand on business. Everyone wanted him to team up with them and he always declined to do so. Which I respected greatly. Because some people do better solo than in a group.
But when Syndrome tried to shame and guilt him into apologizing for not letting him be his sidekick Bob caved to Buddy and said he was sorry for how he treated him.
Tf?!
The worst thing that Bob did was obey the government and marry Helen and have children with her. He became domesticated and pathetic. And never truly recovered from it.
Fun Fact: The island that most of the movie takes place on is called Nomanisan.
No-man-is-an Island, if you will.
Brad Bird is a damn genius
I’m glad I’m not the only person who picked that up after so many years.
Smhs
I literally realized this 2 weeks ago on rewatch
I LITERALLY woke up this morning and thought about the name of that island and what it meant. God bless you for this, I can't thank you enough
One thing to note: Bob is, far and away, stronger than even the most powerful non-Super. He's strong enough to bend steel just by tripping on a skateboard. Yet, even at the height of his rage breaking point, he still avoids killing both his boss and Mirage, despite being fully capable of doing so without much effort. Yet, the two of them escape his grasp with their lives (and had Mr. Huph not been thrown through a dozen walls, both of them could have probably walked away from it). Even when he's at his lowest, Bob is in control of his strength, and he won't kill those who are weaker than him just because he can. Bob Parr embodies the phrase "true masculinity is having the strength to exert your will upon others, but choosing not to use it unless absolutely necessary."
That's a great point.
You know I just thought about this, and if your words ring true, then the whole train lawsuit might have been avoided if Mr. Incredible had simply used himself as the missing piece of that bridge. Sure, it sounds insane but he's Mr. Incredible - strength, and by extension physical endurance, are his modus operandi.
@@MrJakeros I'm pretty sure the hole in the bridge was way too large for him to have done so, and even then, he would have needed to make sure the drain's wheels all connected properly to the track on the other side to avoid derailment. It's far from simple, and given his time constraints, it would be extremely difficult for a precision-based Super, much less Mr. Incredible, who is known for Strength, not Dexterity.
@@occultnightingale1106 Twas but a thought, however unlikely. 🤔
True; no matter what Bob keeps his cool just enough that he can restrain himself from homicide down to a deserved ass-kicking.
In the wise words of Caesar:
"Ape alone, weak. Ape together, strong."
Took me a second...
"Oh, THAT Caesar."
Julius Caesar was a visionary
👏😔
@@buccaneercat I think he is talking about a slightly more hairy Ceasar ;)
Awesome quote, Dude! I'm seriously hoping Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes lives up to the Caesar-Trilogy! Also, just a minor spelling correction, you forgot to an 's' at the end of the second 'Ape' to pluralize "Apes together, strong."
@@scottybreuerlol same
I was like “that doesn’t sound like something a Roman would say”
In the words of Screen Junkies:
"There's already a good Fantastic 4 movie. It's called 'The Incredibles' and it's perfect!"
Oh my goodness. The stretchy smart one, the strong durable one, the invisible force field one, and the fast-moving hothead
Jack-Jack also has the fire and random impulses.
in the endless quest for strength one must accept we will always fall, but what separates the ordinary from the extraordinary is how you get up from your failure
Why do we fall, Master Bruce?
Whats the most important step a man can take?
@@master_samwiseso we can pick ourselves up.
@@jboweniithe next one, always the next one.
If I must fall, I will rise each time a better man.
One thing you can also notice is how, during the final battle, Mr. Incredible starts to show an inclination for understanding the strengths of others and how to best use them. He trusts Dash to go long to catch the remote or for Helen to handle the Omnidroid's laser gun. A lot of media will depict someone who is very physically strong as not being the brightest and needing someone else to take the tactical lead, but the final battle depicts Mr. Incredible as adaptive, intelligent, and capable to leading others. This is something I REALLY wish the second film had touched upon more because I think it shows a very interesting progression of his character and other ways for him to be strong.
Good point. Mr Incredible really is shown to be resourceful and more than just muscle even earlier in how he defeats the first omnidroid. He figures out it’s weakness and wins even though he isn’t in peak shape yet. This comes up again in the final battle as you mentioned.
Because I'm formulating, okay! I'm taking in information! I'm processing! I'm doing the math, I'm fixing the boyfriend, and keeping the baby from turning into a flaming monster! How do I do it? By rolling with the punches, baby! I eat thunder and crap lightening, okay? Because I'm Mr. Incredible! Not "Mr. So-So" or "Mr. Mediocre Guy"! Mr. Incredible!
My only qualm is the insinuation that Mr. Incredible was ever shown to not be these things. Yes, he led a secret vigilante life from his family, but he always appreciated what they could do (was even complaining that Dash wasn't allowed to do what he could!) and was shown to be able to assess a complex situation even on his wedding day (takes care of a cat in a tree AND a high speed chase with the tree, assesses fall rate of jumper and his ability to intercept fall at a lower floor after subduing thief).
@@robinthrush9672 "husband dumb" has been so overused in nuclear family fiction that we've come to expect it by now
2004. These days we are not allowed to show capable men in media, especially disney
“It’s the duty of the strong to protect the weak.”
I immediately picture, “I CAN’T LOSE YOU AGAIN! I’m not… not strong enough.” Proceeded by Hellen lifting up and protecting Bob’s heart. Bob may have been physically strong, but in this situation, he was the weak one needing his wife’s strength. By being willing to accept her strength, in humility, he shows his good character. Had he been prideful, he would have lost everything.
Completely agree, such a powerful moment in the film that really showcases the genuine feminine strength Helen is able to use to help Bob. Just a wonderfully vulnerable moment of honesty.
@@EliteElk221 And no sane person could call Bob any less of a man for being open to being lifted up by his wife’s strength.
"If we work together, you won't have to be."
This is what women want when they say they want men to be able to show their emotions: show me, let's work on it together, and we can grow past it. The dynamic between these two was so great...until they retrograded everyone's character in the sequel. I had been looking forward to it too.
And keep in mind Bob had only found out that Helen and the kids survived a couple of hours before this he spent a whole night grieving for his family
The Incredibles is easily the best superhero film, likely because it isn't trying to be. It's the story of a marriage and family and the struggles and challenges they face.
The superhero setting in this story does what I love most about speculative fiction. It mythicizes the story and brings the metaphorical into the literal to exaggerate the point. The Incredibles does this flawlessly.
Great points and for me, its one of the best superhero movies ever made in history. It makes a beautiful presentation about how Superheroes can be complex characters showing their invulnerable but also vulnerable sides to balance things out. My favourite superhero movies have this great element of balance that is so important.
I recall an article or interview that the director said "its not a superhero movie. Its about a family that happen to be superheroes"
This and Megamind (the original one...)
And it's also a great super hero movie.
Powers are cool, characters have personality, fights are clever and exciting, the animation is good, opponents... everything is great.
The Nemesis is among the best ever written
Even as pure super hero movie, it's among the top
Maybe that’s also why “Lois and Clark” had always been my favorite iteration of Superman
I never noticed the box was labeled awards. It could be the kids’ awards but it is most likely hers.
I absolutely love the theory that it is full of her awards. It fits so well with her character in contrast to Bob. I can’t believe I never thought of it on my own
Something about good media when Mr Incredible and Toph can have the same character arc, of learning to get stronger and accepting and other's help.
Oh that is an excellent point!
Ooh, I'd love to see a video discussing these two very similar character arcs and how they have masculine and feminine expressions respectively. :D
@aliehassan2670 And then both character's growth getting promptly thrown in the dumpster by vastly inferior sequels.
@@chaosgyro Incredibles 2 was inferior to Incredibles 1, but it wasn't because of the characters. Bob's growth of learning that his house-wife's job was much harder than he gave her credit for, and accepting his role as a father can still be a hero. And Helen learning that getting back out in the field wasn't all it was cracked up to be and that being with her family is where she truly belongs. Both parents gained a reminder than being a parent is more important to them than their glory days as a hero.
@@scipocelah6677Yeah definitely agree. Incredibles 2 is not nearly as bad as a sequel as The legend of Quora.
Are both huge influential IP’s? Of course they are, we’re talking about them right now. But, ATLA at its core strived at worldbuilding and understanding the fragility of characters and their flaws.
The same goes for the incredibles double feature, except it continues that trend with a direct sequel. The character development isn’t gone, Dash simply takes a backseat (I really wish he got way more focus than he did, he got done dirty) and Violet is much more forward than she was in the first movie. That’s about all that changes.
Helen essentially experiences the same thing Bob does with less to think about, and the movies end the same: Frozone saves the day, as the kids become a huge help along with the help of their parent who wasn’t fighting from the start.
TLOQ sucked because it essentially lacked any growth whatsoever. Quora was a bad protagonist, and exudes none of the traits the viewer was ever told an avatar should be. That’s fine, as long as there is some sort of development from there, but there never was.
In conclusion (if you ever even make it this far lol) ATLA would’ve survived with a better sequel if it were a direct continuation of events. The avatar joins the White Lotus and thwarts all attempts of a growing resistance against the peace. Strongest Avatar we’ve ever seen, with glaring ignorance and naivety that only their peers are wise enough to see. (Traits that TLOQ has in some areas)
The incredibles, on the other hand, deserves a time skip. The super family known for saving the entire city they serve has now grown up a little. Elasti-Girl and Mr. incredible are both exiting their service, and raising a teen-aged Jack-Jack, while his siblings are interested in fighting crime. The story goes along with the tale of naivety, and never forgetting where you came from. Maybe Dash becomes a big shot hero, while his sister, Violet, struggles with popularity. As Dash grows, the bigger the target on his back. Violet isn’t there to protect him and it ends up being on his family, namely Violet, to save him because his circle of “friends” was fake. Somewhat like The incredibles 2, but with an adjustment for time.
See, I’ve fixed the stories so that they’d be better sequels, but a lot of heavy lifting is required for ATLA because of how important that story is, and, more importantly, the terms the reader is left with at the end of the first installment.
I JUST NOTICED! THE OLD LADY THAT MR. INCREDIBLE IS HELPING IN THE INSURANCE COMPANY IS THE EXACT SAME LADY WHOSE CAT HE SAVED ALL THOSE YEARS AGO!
Also Samwise, thanks for doing these videos! In a world that seems to think that masculinity is a toxic trait, you help remind people that there is nothing wrong with masculinity or femininity.
NO WAY!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You just made me feel like an idiot. There's no way!
I'm not sure if she's the same lady. She might be. But the symbolism couldn't be clearer.
Its why I subed.
One detail I love about his "I'm not strong enough scene" with Helen is that there is a great sense of guilt and shame in him because he is the one to blame for almost losing them, so when he orders them to stay in the car is not because he thinks he is strong to take on the omni droid alone but rather because he wouldn't be able to live with himself if he put them in danger again. So when Helen kisses him it's very much a comforting kiss as it is a passionate one. I brings everythings in this scene together soo damn beautifully.
There are so many levels to that scene. It's so freaking good.
“I’m not strong enough” is a trope of the superhero genre that I don’t think can be overused.
Tony Stark, obsessing over protecting the people he cares about, yet ever fearful that it will never be enough.
Times when Barry Allen, even as the Flash, was just not fast enough.
Luisa Madrigal, who was secretly caving under the pressure of being the -oldest and- strongest child of the family.
Heck, Anakin Skywalker even fits the trope, albeit more as a cautionary tale.
It’s honestly so humanizing to see these powerhouses cave to the crippling feeling of inadequacy. It echoes a solemn truth that no one is immune to the toxic cycle of not being “good enough.”
Actually, Luisa is the middle child, while Isabela is the eldest. But yeah, she is the strongest.
@@rRecoveryProd oh haha 😅 not sure if I just forgot or if I just didn’t pick that up when watching the film
@@rRecoveryProd
Is she? I always assumed she was the oldest because she gets mentioned before Isabella in “Family Madrigal” and in “Surface Pressure” she sings “give it to your sister, your sister’s older” but she could just mean older than specifically mirabel. I guess it was probably mostly the vibe I got from her as feeling that responsibility. And I relate to her most as the oldest daughter in my family. I could totally be wrong here.
Anime too
I think that's actually the main dislike people have with Marvel's new heroes. They're overpowered and perfect (to the writer), but they also *think* they're perfect and don't have fears of failure or try to improve.
To add to the list, there's Toby Maguire from the Spiderman I grew up with, pretty much the entire cast of X-men, and Harry Potter to draw from popular movies. :)
Something that I noticed when watching this video (though it unfortunately didn't get mentioned) is that the line "We're in this together, for better or for worse" (i.e. Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl's wedding vows) are not only said at the beginning of their journey when they get married but also at the crux and climax, just before they fight they Omnidroid. That (i.e. their wedding vows) are what proves to be strong enough to defeat the threat to their family.
Oh I noticed that too. But some stuff I leave unsaid. Show, don't tell, ya know?
@@master_samwise Except you didn't show it. And also the vows were told. Just admit you missed it
@@Ten_Thousand_Locusts? I think it was a basic enough inference that he didn't need to spell it out in the video lol. Why are you being so salty?
@@greystarling I don't like liars.
@@Ten_Thousand_Locusts who are you calling a liar?
Since becoming a husband and father this video and the movie bring me to tears. Reliance on your spouse is a virtue to understand and be proud of. Always working together to be a better team
Glad you liked it!
May you and your spouse be blessed with many years and prosperity.
In the words of Rocky Balboa, “It ain’t about how hard you can hit, it’s about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward.”
"THAT'S HOW WINNING IS DONE"
What I love about Mr incredible is that his physical strength is never in question. It’s his moral strength that gets tested. When he starts lying to his loved ones that’s when things go wrong for him, when he’s using his strength for thrills and glory
Exactly.
Because being thruthful all the time is whats best for everyone. Yeaaa.........
Virtue signallers
@@DhirC35 It's the morality of it that's being tested. It was still for a reason, and still influences events in a better way, but morally it was wrong. That's what we come to recognize.
That isn't virtue signaling.
@@Content_Deleted and thats just life. These things are necessary sometimes. Everything is not black and white. In that situation IT IS the moral thing to do.
@@DhirC35 Things are black and white, and I'm tired of being told they're not. Just because you're not smart enough to spot black from white doesn't mean they're not real. Utilitarianism is a failure.
Mr. Incredible becoming a firefighter when superheroes were outlawed was a missed opportunity for him.
It wasn't his decision. The government stepped in when public sentiment turned against supers and helped them go underground by giving them new identities and new homes. If a new firefighter was routinely walking into burning buildings and carrying five people out on his back and treating it like nothing, people would ask questions pretty quickly. Being a desk worker, on the other hand, is a great cover for someone who is super strong.
The same reason why he couldn't be a cop.
13:21 This is exactly what my father taught me, what it means to be a man. To be a good man.
And I am trying.
And I’m sure you’ll get there, long after you’ve inspired someone else to become a good man, for that is our lesson to share: we strive to be good.
Good luck. Hope you make it.
When I was a kid "The Incredibles" was never my favorite movie. Now that I can watch it and appreciate it as an adult, I realize how good it really is. Being about a midlife crisis I'd have to say this is the most adult animation I think we will ever see from Pixar
You were a stupid kid then. This has always been my favourite movie ever since I first saw it way back when.
This video hits really hard, and I needed it rn. As a kid, elementary through high school, I never got anything lower than a C. I was an exceptional student. I had no anxieties about my future. Then I went to community college. It was an entirely different environment. I had to force social interaction, the professors weren't as invested in me as teachers used to be, it was much more impersonal, and I didn't have any real desire to be there. It's been draining and depressing. My first year, I was getting low Bs and low Cs, and I was honest about it with my parents. Last year, I failed most of my classes, and I hid it from everyone in my life. This past year, they wouldn't let me back in the fall semester, and my advisor only let me retake one class this semester. It was going okay until my laptop crashed. I lost 2 weeks. Then I ran out of my ADHD medication, so I was overwhelmed and unable to catch up. All this time, I've been desperately trying to catch back up so I could come forward with the truth but soften the blow with the good news that I had improved. But that was never going to happen. Besides people I knew from college, nobody has known about this. My parents think I'm about to graduate and get my associate degree in three weeks. Tomorrow night, when none of us are busy, I'm going to tell them the truth. I've never felt more guilty or ashamed, but this is how I move forward. I'm not strong enough. I need to take a different path than college, I'm glad I finally realized that, but there is no moving forward without being honest with the ones you love and letting them help you. These past 3 years have been the worst of my life, and I have myself to blame for thinking I could get out of it on my own. This is the second time I'm talking about it. I talked to a close friend about it this past weekend, and I'm about to talk to my old youth pastor about it. Tomorrow, I stop hiding, and let my family know everything. It's going to be the hardest thing I've ever done, but without doing that myself, there's no moving forward. If you're reading this, trust me. Always be up front with the people you love, even if it's hard, or it will be much more painful if you wait. We are stronger when we rely on those we love.
Edit: I talked to my parents, my dad was understanding and forgiving. My mom said she loves me, but it will take a while for her to even process what happened. I can't expect her to forgive me until she comes to terms with the situation. I understand her frustration and why she feels betrayed. For at least the rest of this year, I will pick up more hours at my job to pay back wasted money, and I will wait for what I feel called to do with my life before returning to college or finding a trade to go into. It will take a while for things to fully heal, but I know they will, and I'm less anxious about my future than I've been in a long time. I appreciate all the support.
I can't imagine how tough that must be. Good for you, good luck, and God bless. There is always a path forward.
@@master_samwise thank you for the support. It means a lot.
For what it's worth coming from a complete stranger, you're making the right decision. It's probably going to hurt to expose the lies but the only way out is through. Stay strong and remember that you're not alone.
Starting the conversation is the hardest part. Often times. We struggle to find the perfect way to start a conversation about being imperfect.
I find the following is helpful to me.
Mom, Dad. I need help. I'm trying hard, but I'm struggling....
We need an update! How did it go?
I’ve said it before The Incredibles is a better than perfect movie. Bob’s scenes after his family is “killed”, when Mirage & Helen rescued him, and the mentioned “I’m not strong enough!” Those scenes stay with you.
I think it's worth mentioning that Bob is almost always zoned out until he feels like he has a purpose again. At which point he is much more attentive to his family. True he should be attentive in general, but it does show just how much difference having purpose is to men. And it does so accurately.
As a man shouldering the roles of husband and father, I tend to view myself as the rock that shields and protects my family from the ferocious storms of the outside world! It becomes easy to believe that if I falter, show any cracks at all, display fear, anxiety, or despair, my family will see them and crumble. I imagine them thinking that if something is bad enough to cause me to be afraid, it must be absolutely horrific! So, I cannot fail, for if I do, my family will surely be swept away!
And yet, this is a common fallacy that many of us fall victim to. This is that pride that wells up from deep within us as men and tells us we MUST be strong in all things! We get things done! People rely on us! They depend on us! Not the other way around! But that's just it... We cannot take on these roles (husband, father, etc) alone and also be successful. We will never be strong enough.
And that brings me to one of the hardest lessons that I am atill learning. It is this:
It is a common belief that the act of giving or generosity is a difficult, unnatural action that requires great selflessness. Generosity is lauded as heroic, but there is actually something tied to generosity that is even greater in its difficulty to carry out and higher in its achievement. It is the ability to ask for and willingly accept help when it is needed... The ability to give others the opportunity to be generous and humbly accept that generosity.
It is so incredibly hard to admit that I cannot do something, that I'm scared, or that I need help. I, even to this day, will find myself doing everything I can in order to avoid these things. And yet, when I finally do, it ends up leaving me wonder why I didn't ask or say something sooner... Why was I being so stubborn? When you share your feelings, especially with a loving spouse, together, you actually become stronger! Your cracks end up being a source of even greater strength!
So true. Than you for your insight.
Masculinity doesn't HAVE to be toxic!
Genuinely, it drives me nuts when people try to claim toxic masculinity is calling masculinity toxic. It's only the toxic aspects of it. The unfeeling masculinity, the silent masculinity. Not all masculinity is toxic and I wish more people on the opposing side understood that
@@dadecalder7796well to be fair a lot of people use the word “toxic masculinity” to describe things about men they either don’t like or understand. Had a GF who said it was toxic masculinity to not always share my emotions. The fact is as a man I can choose when I share my emotions and I do when I feel it is necessary but sometimes I don’t. That’s not toxic masculinity. Also seen people describe men joking around with each other and giving each other a hard time toxic masculinity. Of course it isn’t in contexts it can be I guess but we had words for this long ago. Being a good man or a bad man. We all know the differences.
Masculinity isn’t. Simple as. Anyone saying otherwise is a subversive and a hostile, and they will not survive.
@@dadecalder7796 What drives me nuts is the way people attribute qualities like unfeeling and silent to 'masculinity'. Those qualities are the antethisis of masculinity. Masculinity is about being a better man than you were yesterday.
It ISN'T toxic.
I recently took a Biblical Manhood course. The core of the course, and catch phrase, was "I am not enough." Rather than lifting men up, it tore down every masculine standard we adhere to and showed the strength in weakness. It was all about accepting failures, which are inevitable, and leaning on each other to fulfill our obvious weaknesses. Great video!
The master has returned
Stories we need more of: “death is too easy, you’ll have to *work* for your redemption arc”, the hero they didn’t want and the question of why he’s still protecting them, coming of age story disguised as a battle shounen
"Dying is easy, young man; *living* is harder."
10/10 movie. Most relatable and deep superhero movie ever made.
This is a legit thought provoking video. I think it's excellent. Keep it up.
Thank you!
@@master_samwise
11:51
With great power, comes great responsibility.
Master Samwise is the most masculine of us all for showing us the true masculinity in all these great characters
Fitness and coordination/strength might save either your life or someone else' life in an emergency.
Being healthy also means you're less likely to die early from heart attacks, diabetes, and more.
Staying honest and open with your spouse is also vital to a relationship.
EDIT: Also, the Bible speaks of a man's duty to protect women/his wife, but also that the man will need the strength of his wife too.
There are some real gems of wisdom in there, that’s a good one
Two halves made one. Yeah, I, as a Catholic, learned more about that and continue to learn every day.
I literally rewatched The Incredibles today. It's one of the films in my top 10 list for a number of reasons. Soundtrack, editing, storytelling and character-development are all on point!
And my favorite scene is the talk bob and helen have after they get out of the RV
"I'm not strong enough" is legitimately one of my favorite lines in fiction. It's up there with "your story may not have such a happy beginning, but that doesn't make you who you are. It is the rest of your story, who you choose to be" in terms of quality
10 Heartbeats...?
Life before death...
Strength before weakness...
JOURNEY BEFORE DESTINATION!
Samwise Stormblessed!
8 months till Wind and Truth. Once I've read it, the Stormlight videos will start.
So around 9 months for greatenss then, gotcha, will add it to the calendar.
@@f.ah.c2114 You severely overestimate how quickly I work, my friend.
@@master_samwise its fine, your talent warrant whichever wait
Thank you for being such a voice of reason for men caught in this modern whirlpool of over-feminization and over-masculinization. The men of the West need to be reminded about the healthy ways we can represent our masculinity and it's always refreshing to hear you reference how these examples can be appllied for a healthier masculinity to strive for.
When I see things like the struggle of "Mr. Incredible" and his relatable inability to admit his weaknesses, I'm always reminded of a speech from "Guildarts Clive" in "Fairy Tail".
Natsu (Main Character) was trying to fight a much stronger wizard (Guildarts) for an entrance exam to advance his rank in his guild. After Guildarts revealed his truly overwhelming strength, Natsu, who is normally supremely headstrong and prideful, had no choice but to bow down and surrender out of fear.
The speech Guildarts gave after seeing this admission of weakness and watching Natsu bow before him will always stick with me and has helped to shape me into the man I am today.
"A wise choice...
Those with the courage to re-sheathe their blades are exceptionally rare...
Fear is not "evil"...
It is to know your own weakness.
When you know your weakness, you can become both strong and gentle...
You pass, kid!"
We all have weaknesses. To ignore them is to court ruin. To acknowledge them, work on them and accept the help of others to make up for them is the path to fulfillment.
Hold up: Is the lady who Mr. Incredible had to deny the insurance claim the same lady who's cat he saved?
Maybe? Even if she's not, the similarity is still striking enough to emphasize the disparity between Bob and Mr. Incredible.
I’d always thought this since I was a kid
“I can’t lose you again! I’m not strong enough.” Might be my favorite line in any movie, stuck with me since I was a little kid.
Life before death
Strength before weakness
Journey before destination
Life before Death.
Strength before Weakness.
Journey before Destination.
We also see Bob using his inside knowledge of the insurance company to give his customers a guaranteed on their claims, showing he's willing to put in the effort to help, even in a job he hates, even when it's going against what he's supposed to do, he's still going to try to do the right thing.
Wow you actually made me want to cry for that scene!! I can't say it enough, this movie is an epic masterpiece!! 10/10
I'm just glad that someone is finally giving Bob the benefit of the doubt, and not just calling him a misogynist liar ruled by pride. He's got so much depth to him.
He definitely has pride. And I was perhaps a bit too generous and overstated his altruism. He wants to be a hero because he loves being a hero. No doubt he loves being a hero because he loves helping people, but that does get a bit lost in the early part of his arc. Which is great! Because he gets to rediscover it in a new way with his wife/family.
Oh absolutely, he's flawed. But I don't see enough people empathize with him, so I appreciate you doing so.@@master_samwise
Something that always bugged me about this situation, was that the movie (and Helen) make his desire to save lives into purely an ego thing. "Reliving the glory days".
Imagine Bob wasn't a superhero, but a fireman that was forced into insurance work, and constantly felt like his life didn't matter anymore because he wasn't saving people's lives. And everyone's response to that was 'lol, suck it up gloryhound'. We'd rightly call those people psychopaths and be done with it.
The thing is Bob, _had_ to lie to Helen if he wanted to go to the island, because, I think it should be obvious, she wouldn't have let him go. Ironically, something I think is never really explored in the movie is how while Bob is given purpose by saving lives, Helen just seems to treat her hero career like it was a sort of fun job she did for a while. Honestly she comes off as not really caring about other people's livelihoods or whether they live or die. Nor does she seem to understand or care about how important being a hero is to Bob. I mean, there's no reason she couldn't be cool with him going out to save people during "bowling nights". If anything, her vehement opposition to Bob's heroism is the primary thing that drives a wedge between them. Giving the man a few hours a week to himself so he can feel fulfilled isn't a huge ask, and it's the fact that she absolutely will not let him do it openly that makes him so distant.
If you think about it, most of this movie shames Bob for the problems Helen causes.
I think it is partly a glory days thing, but, as MasterSamwise points out, Bob does indeed want to help others as well.
Helen’s concern about this is not just to shut him down or shame him. She is concerned about it “uprooting our family, again.” Helen even acknowledges in a scene that she knows that work is frustrating and she appreciates him. She might not realize how much he is struggling and they both have room to grow in their communication. Helen has a character arc just like Bob does.
Both of them have understandable flaws that they learn to grow out of. Helen learns to embrace the use of their powers for saving people when necessary. With great power does come great responsibility. But a different great responsibility also comes with having kids.
I do not believe she should just give him one night a week to be a secret superhero. That would endanger their family. It would probably be way more productive for them to talk about a job change that would be more fulfilling for Bob.
Helens attitude change from her interview (like Bobs attitude change) is very interesting. She believes she shouldn’t give up hero work “I don’t think so”
Bob talks about settling down.
And then when they have to settle down, Helen is the one more easily able to embrace her new role.
I may be over generalizing, but I think there is a male/female difference in these attitudes towards settled family life. I think women can often just feel more fulfilled by raising kids. We tend to be very relational. That doesn’t mean we never cared about our jobs. I know (and I understand this is anecdotal evidence) many women who swore they would never give up a career. Then they had kids and put it way to the side, because their kids became more important to them.
I can’t speak as well as MasterSamwise to the Male perspective on this. I do find this movie to be very accurate with how men and women often react to settling down.
I apologize if this was a garbled mess or added nothing new from the video.
This is probably one of the best videos regarding masculinity and personal development I've seen in a very long time. Thanks for highlighting these themes and ideas in such a classic Disney film. Greatly appreciate it!
"Why do we fall master Bruce?"
"It's so we can learn to pick ourselves back up."
Bob's journey throughout the movie is why Mr. Incredible is one of my favorite superheroes of all time. He can relive the glory days when he finally lets his family be a part of that adventure. As he said himself, his family is his greatest adventure. Great video man!
Absolutely beautiful. And it blows my mind that films have been teaching wholesome masculinity decades ago, and long before the term “toxic masculinity” entered mainstream discourse.
Dang. Never thought I’d be inspired by a breakdown of Mr. Incredible.
“It’s not about having confidence or not knowing fear. I’m a hero and that’s why I protect people! Once I’ve decided that in my heart, then it’s something I’d die for. Just living a life with no regrets. That’s what chivalry means to me.”-Crimson Riot
Imagine quoating my hero academia cringe characters. my god this is embarrasing lmao.
@@CyberPunkBadGuy but it’s neither of those
@@KingNerdius What is?
I’ve had my own long battle with internalizing the “ideal” masculinity, being able to do it all, no help, helping everyone. Through friendships, my wonderful girlfriend, and a special game I hold close to my heart, I learned that I *can’t* do it all, and that’s ok. I have friends who will support me, friends who are ok with seeing me weak and vulnerable and not think any less of me for it, friends who I can ask for help simply when I think I’m not up to the task and they can pick up where I fell out. If being masculine means supporting everyone, you must remember that everyone includes yourself, a support pillar with a cracked base can only be covered up for so long until it buckles under its own weight. Take care of yourself
You see the problem with that mentality is that people do not support men and in modern day and age actively hate them and find excuses to deem them evil and destroy them so they are more easily used as stepping stools for personal gain.
If a man ain't stupid and have half a brain cell he would know that he is the only one to support himself and at that point when you are strong why support all the crappy people who scorn you but exalt you now when you are powerful, why would a man even want anything from them when one is strong enough for themself and have already gotten so far and done so much themself its clear a man would not need them, he already proven he only needs himself.
You say a man cant be that correct? better yet maybe you cant be , maybe some other guys cant, maybe that's what you tell yourself. but I don't care, go right ahead and do that chief, that belief validates your life style is all, you couldn't care less or think anymore pass that point.
being masculine is best telling everyone else to screw off and doing what for ones own best self, screw off with their demands, screw off with their expectations, screw off with them telling you what to do, especially these coming years of hate and disgust towards men, openly accepted. Tell men what is masculine? why ? so then they must follow your commands and criterias?
Bottom line is what fool would take advice from people who do not care about them but care solely about themself and what they can get from you.
Masculinity is knowing the strength and power of rebellion and not bending to the greed and selfishness of the others and their community that hates them. Its knowing and accepting strength comes and ends with ones self, its foolish to proclaim strength from others while people scorn weak men, they scorn men who are not strong enough for themself to begin with, its ironic.
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No, I know what masculinity is, Masculinity is rubbish , Its whatever any clown can make it out to be to feel better about themself, to validate their own life choices. I couldn't careless what it want to be, its just another word used to make demands of another person or to exalt and validate themself that "THIS IS WHAT MASCULINITY IS" they proclaim proudly and then point to their own life and personal beleif like a clown.
@@CyberPunkBadGuythat's the difference between being the patriarch
and being a father
Glad this movie is getting the breakdown and love I've always had for it.
My man really hid a Brandon Sanderson video inside this Incredibles video all with the Dad of War ost in the background, where have you been all my life
Incredibles 2 made me forget how good the first one is
thanks for the reminder
WALL·E criminally underrated on your list
It's an incredible movie. Everything A tier on up would be (IMO) an acceptable favorite Pixar movie.
@@master_samwise would be interesting to see the reasoning behind your list sometime. Maybe a livestream or dedicated video.
@@HowdyYT I threw that together pretty quickly, haha. But that's not a bad idea.
ikr sue this mans
A teir isn't so bad.
9:19, Robin Williams is a great example. He was quite depressed yet still brought happiness to others. I was raised quite sad/depressed due to personal incurable health issues, yet i ended up being that loner guy who made sad people feel better. Sure, i might be heavily depressed, but because of that, i understand it. Due to that, i was/am able to make people feel better by not leading them to a depressed path. As they say, "the one who has gone thru the most pain can be the most hurt, or the most helpful".
It’s so brilliant and beautiful for a character, a superhero who is DEFINED by his being strong, to realize that he is not strong enough. For a man who has so much predisposed strength to realize that he can never have enough of it. No man is an island. Absolutely brilliant.
You put into words why I also come back to this film time and time again. The amazing music also helps too. :D
Love the Stormlight references!
This movie is the prime example of why I detest the argument: "Animated movies don't have to be good if it's meant for kids". Yes, most animated media in the west is catered for young children but don't forget that they are first and foremost a family movie. A movie that both children and adults can get something out of. Even as a kid I understood a lot of the nuance regarding Bob's and Helen's Character arcs but of course not completely until i reached adulthood.
It feels like it is getting harder to find examples of good masculinity in modern day, thank you for this.
loving yourself is the first step to loving others and being loved
This is such an underrated channel. It's become one of my new favorite channels. I love the insight you have on all your vids. Keep up the awesome videos 🫡🫡
Mr Incredible is the definition of positive masculinity, using your strength to lift others up while also over coming your own pride to let others help you when you need it. Be a rock when you need to, but dont get so used to being a rock that you never let anyone in. Always try to be better, and never put anyone down because they arent on your level
This is an excellent video, one of the best essays on this subject I’ve seen in a while!
This was honestly so heartwarming to watch, there's never too much discussion and appreciation for what healthy masculinity looks like and we could use more of that in this day and age. We're strongest when we face ourselves and accept our weaknesses and accept help instead of shut it out.
This video came at a really good time for me. I'm currently struggling at home with my wife as I'm working a lot of overtime to help with expenses and she is taking care of our one-year-old. I find my very little time off I have immense guilt when spending it alone and I end up attempting to do everything myself when home or just completely give up and don't help at all. Lots of feelings that I'm not good enough, and I know I need to ask for help and try to work together. Thanks for your insight, I'm really going to try and modify my behavior and takeaway a lot from this video. Great content as always, keep it up!
That is a tough season. Good for you to try to work as a team. God bless.
This might be my favorite video you've made for me personally. I think the Kratos analysis is the best content, but this? This is the most inspiring piece for me. This is the most encouragement ive had in this weird nebulous space ive been in looking for anything. A ledge to cling to. Thanks buddy.
As a Men’s Coach, I can’t begin to tell you how much I love and champion your perspective on masculinity.
I share your videos with my clients and tell them it’s MANDATORY to watch the Iroh vid lol
Keep doing you, brotha.
That's awesome! I am truly humbled haha
thanks sam. this is the pep talk i needed
I was not expecting to hear a Sanderson wuote in the middle of a video about the Incredibles.
Life before Death, Strength before Weakness, Journey before Destination
2:05 Yess, Dark Souls song baby 🔥
Instantly recognized it ❤
11:30 this sentence sums up my entire life, biblical, +1sub
bro just decided to cook after 13:28, uncle ben auh energy
“I will accept that there are those I cannot protect.”
“There is no good or evil; there is only weight and those too weak to lift it.”
- Swoldemort
6:04 my man, I was not expecting that at all, haha. Put a smile on my face.
Strength before weakness
Commented before finishing the vid*
Having finished the video i would like to amend my first comment:
Journey before destination.
"Only when weak may I carry my true strength"
Right after he said that, you can see that Helen GETS it. Everything he's done since he started on the whole thing with Syndrome suddenly makes sense and she GETS it. In her own way, she lets him know that she understands his feelings, expresses her own, and THAT moment of vulnerability created the team they'd been striving to be since they got married.
This is one of my favorite movies of all time!
And this was one of the best video essays that I have seen in YEARS!
Thanks for putting this out there. This made my day!
Bob Parr/Mr. Incredible is that example of "good masculinity" that we all want. He's not perfect, he's got plenty of failings in his own right, but even with all his power and strength, he's just a man trying to provide for his family, help others, and be the partner/father that Helen and the kids deserve. What strikes me about the married life portion before he starts being a hero again isn't so much that he hates his family, it's that you can see that he *knows* he's failing them. And it aches.
The mentality of "Strenght" can be defined by the fact you don't need to be physically strong. But rather be willing to take action that are drastic when necessary.
Yeah Incredibles has always been one of my favorites. It and Treasure Planet live in same space in my head. Treasure Planet would be a great video topic. Underappreciated classic.
It's been forever since I've seen Treasure Planet... to the point that I'm not sure I've actually seen it, haha. I will have to revisit it.
In my opinion Treasure Planet has the best masculine protagonist in all Disney movies and in general one of the best Disney males and next to them are Aladdin, Milo and Tarzan
Two superheroes being together probably leads to a lot of broken furniture...
Good thing Helen is soft enough.
@@hicehamer1337 What are you suggesting?
@@sambrown6426 Look up "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex."
And then consider how Helen's elasticity would keep that from happening with Bob. An *incredible* bit of forethought from Pixar's writers.
Holy shit dude, I think this is exactly what I needed in this moment of my life
This really means a lot to me, Ive had some hard times over the last few years. My mental health forced me to drop out of college and move back in with my family. The idea of not being strong enough haunted me, and to a lesser extent still haunts me. When it got to its worst, I wrote a note. It was short I felt like there wasn't anything I could say "I'm sorry I wasn't strong enough". Those six words were going to be my last, clearly it didn't end that way. What stopped me were my two younger brothers, I couldn't hurt them. So their why I worked at being stronger, mentally and physically. I know this is just a comment on a youtube but if you're reading this and you don't know if you're strong enough. You are, there are people in this world that need you and they don't want you to be a super hero they just want you.
Beautifully said. Glad you're still with us.
Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination. A fellow Knight Radiant!
Awesome breakdown.
This is such an incredible video essay. Thank you for taking the time to do this.
I think alot of young men need to see this.
"Two are better than one, because they have a good reward for their work. For if one falls, the other one will lift up his fellow. But woe to him who is alone when he falls and has not another to lift him up!"
As much as we men recognize that we're called to be the pillar of our homes and communities, the fact is that we cannot do so alone, and this has been true since the beginning. Even in this last century, the truism has been restated as "No man is an island" (and yes, the name of the remote island Bob is taken to for his "mission" is a reference to said quote). I'll be honest, I've been feeling this for a bit now, between not being able to do the work I'm called to do and having to focus on helping take care of my aging grandfather as well as my sister and her son. I know I need this "holding pattern," but I also know how anxious it makes me and how the doubts gnaw at my mind as a result. Thankfully, this movie exists to remind me that I don't need to go it alone, that I have people I can rely on for help.
Truly, one of the greatest movies of all time.
I have to do it alone cause i never ever could rely on people.
Such an amazing video. Very enlightening, and loved how the God of War Ragnarok theme played in the background. Masterful work, well done.
Love your videos man glad I was able to found you
Glad you're here!
Great video Master Samwise.
This is your best video by far.
By the way....
The Incredibles is my favourite movie of all time.
Along with The Shawshank Redemption.
Two of the best films ever made.
Glad you liked it! Shawshank is an amazing movie.
@master_samwise
Yes, I did. Shawshank is a masterpiece.
Same with Incredibles.
This is a really good analysis and breakdown of this movie. You hit some really good points that I think a lot of other people fail to see or understand.
the amazing thing with the incredibles is if you take out all of the superhero aspects it still works as a very strong movie with nothing getting lost
I was not going to click this video. I am not a fan of people constantly needing to have input about what masculinity should be. But I will give you a listen. Because I also want to be more open-minded. I want to not box myself to one side of the internet or ways of thought.
This was nice. It was not finger wagging masculinity. There was a bit of some admirelation for it even. Just a reminder of the pitfalls of trying to do it all yourself as a man and knowing needing help doesn't make you weak.
MasterSamwise is very good with the topic of masculinity. Very positive but also calling to being virtuous like the characters he analyzes.
I love the use of God of War music here. Very fitting in a video about being a father and a family man
I love how when the Omni Droid cracks Bob's back, he immediately turns the tables.
Just casually being mind blown by a retelling of one of the best "kids" movie
the BEST moment and why I love this film so much!! Proper masculinity. A beautiful breakdown. Well done!!
6:01
Life before death
Strength before weakness
Journey before destination