CARBON ARROWS - Cutting, installing inserts, and broadhead tuning
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Carbon arrows are a popular arrow choice for both compound and traditional bow shooters. Some consider them to be the best arrow choice out there. With a little know how, it's easy to build your own even without a cut off saw and all the fancy tools they have at the pro shop. Carbon gives you a lot of control over FOC and EFOC using various means discussed in the video.
In this DIY video Clay Hayes shows how to trim carbon shafts to length, install tip inserts, discusses the Gold Tip FACT system, aligns broadheads and does a little broadhead tuning. When finished these arrows are ready for bowhunting and, given the proper combination of arrow spine, length, and tip weight, will shoot well from any recurve bow, longbow or other traditional bow.
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I have find it easiest to set the insert with the broadhead thus eliminating the need to reheat the insert. Also Boning makes a blue hot melt specifically for carbon shafts.
Like ALL your videos, Clay, this one is just plain excellent. In addition, having followed your channel since the early days, I'm so pleased that you have picked up some really solid sponsorship. You richly deserve it.
Glad you like them!
At first, I was not going to watch this video because I don't use carbon arrows but I like learning about the subject and I like Clay Hayes videos so I did and I'm glad. I like the fact that you define FOC as FORWARD Of Center, not Front. Too many guys make that mistake. I also like the way you work on the arrows, like a common man in his garage (like me) instead of a professional salesman in a shop. I always pick up a tip or two from one of your video's
Thanks James
The blue "hot melt" or whatever it's called for carbons works pretty good. Great video!
Cool, I’ll check that out.
@@clayhayeshunter Definitely the way to go. Never found the amber hot melt worked on carbon. Blue does the trick! All you need to do to soften blue is hot water. But after years of it staying in the shaft. It looses that quality too. Amber is for metal on metal.
I learned a lot just watching your hot melt technique! I was trying to use a heat gun and pliers and this did not work well.
I've pretty much always shot aluminum but I still enjoy watching your videos and still find something new, thanks.
I really enjoy watching your videos, they are great. So, to keep you healthy and able to make a lot more of them, may I suggest to wear a dust mask, when sanding carbon? Carbon dust is very unhealthy, when breathed in!
Agreed.
just getting back into traditional archery, very informative video
Thanks Ed.
I use hot water to align my broadheads. Not too hot, just enough to steam, but not boil. Either run it under the tap, or place in a cup. It only takes a few seconds to get the glue melted enough to turn the insert. I haven't had any problems, yet.
Great idea!
I do a dry run,with the Broadhead and the insert,without glue and make a mark,with the sharpie,then i glue the insert and match the marks on the shaft and insert..I use a field point,when i do the glue up..
I used Ferr-l-tite cool flex (low temp hot melt) on my last group of arrows... That worked well for me, and it was easily worked with for turning and removing with just hot water.
I made a arrow saw that I clamp a dremel into a couple years ago. Works good enough that I can't justify buying an arrow saw
What type of disc are you using to cut?
Another awesome tip!
Thanks for all the information you share with everyone!
You’re welcome
Great topic! I'm just getting back into shooting, so this is really handy. Remember to always wear a respirator and eye protection when cutting carbon fiber.
Another way to adjust the broad head if you super glue the insert in is to use a rubber O ring which makes it convenient to switch to field pts. or judos.
I use .245 victory inserts and backweights. Victory inserts weigh 22 grains and you can get 10 grain inserts as well
Love your videos man I'm not new to bow hunting but I must confess I went traditional, I'm in the process of building my arrows for hunting.I'm shooting a thirty in. Carbon fiber arrows I'm going to use one fifty,150 grn. Insert 100 and 125 grn two blade 3- 5 in. Fletch feather would like your opinion. Oh shooting a 53 lb. Draw 60 in. Recurve off the shelf fully trad. Hunting. Forgot 400 spine.
Should be fine as long as it tunes well.
You are a great inspiration man, specially for classic bow hunting
Love the channel keep it up
Bohning has a Hot melt. It called "Cool Flex". Its blue and especial for carbon shaft inserts.
Thanks
Thank you Clay.
Really useful video and great viewing :)
Thanks Clay
Great video 💯✅
Coming from aluminum arrows and compound bows 35 years ago when I normally used 100-125 grain tips, those weights seem humongous to me, but then I think of what a chert or flint tip must weigh and it doesn't seem so bad.
Stone tips are actually pretty light in comparison to a steel broadhead of similar size!
Just found your videos, you could have marked the arrow first, screwed the broadhead into the insert before gluing the insert to the shaft. Eliminating the need to reheat the glue.
Clay I love your stuff. Very informative. I was think how about inserting the inserts in the shaft with a broadhead already on? It would save you from readjusting them all individually later on. Is there a reason not to do that?
I suppose you could.
I use an insert tool that I've marked to match the alignment orientation of my broadheads to do just that. Put insert on tool, add hot melt, twist in shaft until mark is in line with fletch, and then toss it in a cup of cold water to cool quickly. If I get one a little off I can heat the tool, put it back in the insert and give a gentle twist to get where I need to be. The tool will carry enough heat to remelt the glue. Just cool it back off quick to keep it from transferring heat to the carbon.
MeatEater recommends 350 grain arrows for deer. Because lower weight = more speed = less time for the deer to jump. I have those same shafts, with much lighter heads, and I'm near certain your arrows are way way over that weight. So, what do you think about arrow weight for hunting deer?
(That 350 grain recommendation is from page 23 of The Complete Guide to Hunting, Butchering, and Cooking Wild Game: Vol. 1, Big Game.)
That’s for compounds. But even for compounds I’d prefer a heavier arrow. Watch my FOC video for an explanation.
Utube Ranch Fairy,he shows why you want you want heavy arrows in your compound
@@longbo2771 nobody here is looking for info on compounds.
Thanks
What bow model and maker is that?
Great tips, can't wait to jump in. What grit sandpaper do you use to trim the carbon arrows down? Thanks!
I think this was 150.
Maybe it's covered in another video, I haven't been able to watch all of them, but curious on how you determine the proper arrow length with a trad bow? Do you just mark the arrow where it comes off the shelf at full draw and add a little to compensate for broadheads, or is it determined another way when arrow tuning?
Check out the tuning vid I did a little while back.
The further forward of center the greater the wobble the arrow will have . Do you have a solution to the heavy broadhead arrowheads?? We want to keep the foc slightly ahead of center.
Which broadheads are those?
Just saw another comment response. They are Warewolf 200 grain.
Great video! Thank you for sharing your knowledge. But may I suggest a volume warning just before you hit the sander?
How about get a cut-off saw
Glad you still use the wood shafts more than the carbon. They make excellent arrows. But shooting carbon arrows is like shooting a manufactured fiberglass bow. The fun in what you do is in your homemade tackle of natural materials. I always missed or passed up more shots than I took at game. The reason to choose the tackle you use is in the experience and learning. The closer you get to game the more you learn, the more you appreciate. Traditional hunters know more about what they do when they take an animals life. They have a greater appreciation for the sacrifice of the animal to put meat on the table. Primitive man, I believe, did not view animals as modern man does. Animals were others, equal to, sometimes superior to man. Only when a person takes up primitive tackle can he get close to what was and is natural. A fellow shooting an animal at 300 yards doesn't even know what he has killed, the damage he has done. He shoots it with a superior weapon, takes it to the butcher shop, then goes home to watch the ball game. Not against that, but I think every hunter should experience having to meet game one on one, and with nothing but a primitive weapon in their hands. And the knowledge of that animal to get the job done. They'd get a greater understanding and a greater appreciation, not only of their sport, but of life, death, and survival. Keep doing what you're doing. Keep learning. Keep appreciating.
I agree with that.
Maybe screw the broad head into the insert before you glue it. You can line up arrowhead and mark the shaft. That would save you from having to heat it back up a second time. 🤷🏼♂️
I was also wondering why we don't just line it up first and then glue. Thanks for the video.
Clay I hope you don't have open flame close to acetone.
Great video. What grit is the grinding wheel are you using?
120 I think
What are the broadheads here? I'm looking for a good budget single bevel.
Just found the comment stating they are Eclipse Werewolf 200 grain.😂
Why not put inserts in while screwed on to your broadhead. That way you could line them up first time. Is there a reason?
Melvin Dunn
When I get new shafts I shoot them all first before putting a broadhead on any of them. Sometimes you'll get one that doesn't group with the others and you dont want that one in the woods.
You could do that and I do at times. But due to the safety issue with pressing on a sharp head I didn’t want to present it in the video.
What about the spine of these shafs, which you make it a hunting arrows ...?
Waiting your answer
Think You so much
The spine will depend on several factors. Check out the tuning video for details.
@@clayhayeshunter
First :
Thanks for your quick feedback.
Second thing :
I just want collect info about the ratio between the weight of broad head and the spine of the shaft , considering that the bow weight and Note that
what is the side effects(results )
With the speed of arrow .!
Any way
Just for curious .!
Have a nice time
I've got most of my stuff together to start assembling and tuning arrows for the first time but I'm confused about when to work on FOC. If I understand what I've watched on your channel then I essentially need to work on it at the same time because both tuning and FOC are impacted by tip weight. Is there a short-ish way to get to both, like starting heavy and just working back to the tuned point?
The easiest thing would be to give the folks at 3Rivers Archery a call and tell them what you’re looking to achieve with FOC. Then they can recommend a good starting point.
@@clayhayeshunter Good idea. For just getting rolling would you at all recommend tuning in, getting experience with that, and worrying about FOC on a later project?
FOC comes second to well tuned arrows.but if you want to pursue FOC you should tune for high FOC.
@@clayhayeshunter Cool man, thanks. I appreciate all your hard work. I've been a bow shooter off and on my whole life and I never knew the depth of what I was missing til I got watching your stuff when I decided to get a batch of arrows a couple weeks back. I've got a tiny old Browning recurve that I knew was built sweetly but never shot great. Now I know why and I'm considering using it for hunting something here in Utah. Thanks again.
I shoot a 50 pound Osage self bow with 25.5" draw, what size carbon shafts do I need? The ones I bought a couple years ago are way too stiff I think, they shoot way left. I made another self bow thats more of a center shot for those particular carbon shafts but it's still not right. I'd like to get some carbons that shoot better than my cedar, thanks.
If your arrows are too stiff you can increase the weight of your heads or use weighted inserts as Clay mentions above. This will have the effect of reducing your dynamic spine. I had the same problem with some aluminum arrows that were sent by mistake. I went from a 125 gr field point to a 200 gr. They fly perfect.
Exactly. Also, would think that some 500s left long and with heavier heads may work but it’s hard to say. With such a short draw you might need to go lighter.
Why am I learning how to make arrows? I don't even have a bow, and I have finals tomorrow.
Because you have finals tomorrow...
A belt sander and Carbon arrows... Not a great idea unless using a proper facemask to filter out the carbon particles.
Not really, anything biger than even just a few micrometers is gonna be coughed out, its not gonna be very pleasent but also not dangerous
I was going to say that. Carbon fiber is very very bad for you
@@josuaa.3589 there's a reason why companies try to make respirators that filter out super tiny particulates.
@@mattsovil9432 Yes, it's called money.
Sir..what the differnt of fiber arrow and carbon arrow..?
If you’re referring to fiberglass arrows, they’re solid and very heavy. Carbon arrows are hollow and much lighter.
@@clayhayeshunter do you have whats app number sir..? I want discussion with you...
@@clayhayeshunter thanks
what broadheads are you using Clay ?
These are warewolf heads. 200 grain.
These are warewolf heads. 200 grain.
@@clayhayeshunter good choice clay! I worked for the owner(blake) for about 3 years, glad to see his products are getting popularity!
Is 11% ok?
sure,I just like a little more.
How much would you charge to mack bow
I don’t sell bows. I teach people how to build their own if that interests you.
Can I send you some river cane arrows that I make
I find using hot water rather than a torch works very well. I put the inserts in boiling water, take them out after a few moments and apply hot melt with a glue gun. Less risk -- if any -- of damaging tha carbon.
But why do the broadheads need to be aligned all the same? Radial symmetry should make that irrelevant, I would have thought.
For me it’s mostly an aiming thing. I use the tip of the arrow like a sight when gap shooting.
@@clayhayeshunter Oh I see. Sounded like you did that for inate precision reasons.
@@ElizaberthUndEugen I was about to ask the same thing, glad you did. Many archers used to lign up fletchings to broadheads and I thought it had been disproven. I'll try the hot water too, thanks.
I hate them arrows because it's a nightmare if you fletch your own arrows . That wood looking wrap they put on them arrows is very easy to knick and scrape off as well as the glue
I came here to support the safety police. Don't forget clay that arrows are pokey, and as such should be treated with care
200 grain tip? Wtf
Haha talking about heat ruining the shaft that belt sander gets hotter then you think 1 reason friction SON
the Indians used a horizontal tip Arrowhead for hunting vertical for war cuz the deers ribs run straight up and down and a human's ribs run sideways