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I really prefer the solid machined aluminum over plastic. The VSE also isn’t nearly as intertwined into the engine bay like you said, but at the end of the day both get the job done so really just personal preference
Well I’ve got to say that makes me feel a little better. My results with the VSE after a thousand miles have been similar to yours, just a drop or two. It looks like either solution works the same, and I guess I just got a really good engine like you have. I haven’t been noticing any oil usage between changes. Thanks for all that you do for us!
@Demonworks Just did a 5.5k mile oil change. Heavy towing and city/highway mix. Emptied the VSE catch can for the first time. 9 oz of oil was collected and removed.
Very solid comparison video that proves to me (IMO) that these aftermarket catch cans aren’t really necessary. If the lead GM engineer (John Berta) of the 3 liter diesel thought this was necessary to protect the longevity of the engine then he would have added it to the design. People constantly complain about how complex vehicles are today but they don’t hesitate to add all this aftermarket hardware making things even more complex. 😮
Yea the amount of oil these are catching is miniscule. 2000+ miles would leave over an ounce of oil/gas mix in the catch can on my 2014 Silverado 5.3. Plus catch cans suck dk if you live in a very cold climate. They ice up and block the pcv line. Nearly blew out my main seal one time.
Yeah I think GM did a good job with the air/oil separation on this engine. Much better than my 2014 5.3. That catch can would have 1-2 Oz of oil and water by 2000 miles. Doesn't seem worth the hassle here. Most guys in the north figure out that catch cans suck in cold weather. They ice up and can even block the pcv line. I nearly blew out my rear main seal due to an iced up CC. I bypassed it after that.
Engineers don't think of everything. I know this because I work with many. Anything to protect these engines is beneficial. I have the VSE can. And what I've drained out of it, I def wouldn't want to have ran it through my turbo, coat the charge cooler and puddle in the bottom of the cheap hoses.
I installed the VSE can on Saturday. I’m one of those who had a difficult time. I’d bought an Amazon $20 cable clamp tool. It didn’t work well. In fact I wound up adding a vice grip to its handles to get it to squeeze the clamps enough to get them backed off. For installation I used some needle nose vice grips to catch just the tip end of each clamp to open it then held the clamp open with a zip tie secured just below the vice grip tip. Brilliant! The clamps were wide open, fit easily over the hoses and once everything was in place I cut the ties with a utility knife. If I was doing the job today either a better cable clamp tool or a good pair of long nose pliers would be my go-to for the clamp removal. For installation, the zip tie hold open worked wonderfully.
I’m interested in winter time with lots more condensation in the crank case. I have the VSE and not seeing much. I had a catch can on my 2017 Tacoma and same thing during the summer. But during the rainy winter it would fill up in 4,000-5,000 miles
At least i take away from the ppe the posibility to be able to try multiple different media to catch oil vapor with very few modifications, as to why you didnt see oil drips my guess is larger volume of hose + larger reservoir its gonna take a while before the oil puddles up to where you can get dripping like you did on the vse.
12k is definitely a lot ! It's rated to handle it but it's also about wind resistance. My recent towing adventure was with a tall trailer that weighed 3600lbs and one would think it weighed 36000 pounds with how the truck responded.
Hi, I’ve got the VSE catch can and drained it at 2500 mi and got about an ounce of oil out. I put it on and was getting a check engine light after towing for about 150 mi so I smoke tested it. And found a hose clamp loose going to the turbo charger so I replaced it and I’ve made it further without a check engine light, but it still came on after 450 miles of Towing. Comes on after you stop at a rest area and restart the engine .I was going to change all the hose clamps and when I took the hose off the can, there was oil in the hose to the turbo! Did you have any oil in the hose? Any ideas on the check engine light? I’m going to have to re-smoke test . i’ve been thinking about the PPE catch can . Thanks, Jerry.
You really don’t want to be catching a ton of oil in these things. My ecoboost would catch about 4-6 oz per oil change. I’m getting ready to check my VSE on mine. Should be close to 7k miles. Still don’t see anything on the peep window though.
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Well it only proves… that both system are a waste of MONEY 💰 on the LZ0
I really prefer the solid machined aluminum over plastic. The VSE also isn’t nearly as intertwined into the engine bay like you said, but at the end of the day both get the job done so really just personal preference
Well I’ve got to say that makes me feel a little better. My results with the VSE after a thousand miles have been similar to yours, just a drop or two. It looks like either solution works the same, and I guess I just got a really good engine like you have. I haven’t been noticing any oil usage between changes.
Thanks for all that you do for us!
@Demonworks Just did a 5.5k mile oil change. Heavy towing and city/highway mix. Emptied the VSE catch can for the first time. 9 oz of oil was collected and removed.
That's great to hear ! How many miles are on your truck? What year is it and what kind of oil are you using?
@Demonworks Just shy of 27k miles. 2023 AT4 lz0 using Mobile 1 ESP 0W-20.
Very solid comparison video that proves to me (IMO) that these aftermarket catch cans aren’t really necessary. If the lead GM engineer (John Berta) of the 3 liter diesel thought this was necessary to protect the longevity of the engine then he would have added it to the design. People constantly complain about how complex vehicles are today but they don’t hesitate to add all this aftermarket hardware making things even more complex. 😮
This opinion presumes that said lead engineer actually values longevity. Not sure if that's a safe assumption in this day
Yea the amount of oil these are catching is miniscule. 2000+ miles would leave over an ounce of oil/gas mix in the catch can on my 2014 Silverado 5.3. Plus catch cans suck dk if you live in a very cold climate. They ice up and block the pcv line. Nearly blew out my main seal one time.
Yeah I think GM did a good job with the air/oil separation on this engine. Much better than my 2014 5.3. That catch can would have 1-2 Oz of oil and water by 2000 miles. Doesn't seem worth the hassle here. Most guys in the north figure out that catch cans suck in cold weather. They ice up and can even block the pcv line. I nearly blew out my rear main seal due to an iced up CC. I bypassed it after that.
Engineers don't think of everything. I know this because I work with many. Anything to protect these engines is beneficial. I have the VSE can. And what I've drained out of it, I def wouldn't want to have ran it through my turbo, coat the charge cooler and puddle in the bottom of the cheap hoses.
I wish the install for my 2.7 was easy as yours. Also I like the look of the vse but like the long tube of PPE.
I installed the VSE can on Saturday. I’m one of those who had a difficult time. I’d bought an Amazon $20 cable clamp tool. It didn’t work well. In fact I wound up adding a vice grip to its handles to get it to squeeze the clamps enough to get them backed off. For installation I used some needle nose vice grips to catch just the tip end of each clamp to open it then held the clamp open with a zip tie secured just below the vice grip tip. Brilliant! The clamps were wide open, fit easily over the hoses and once everything was in place I cut the ties with a utility knife. If I was doing the job today either a better cable clamp tool or a good pair of long nose pliers would be my go-to for the clamp removal. For installation, the zip tie hold open worked wonderfully.
I didnt like that clamps either and swapped with out for hose clamps instead.
I definitely prefer the VSE due to the solid aluminum build.
I like the bypass system on the vse
Well, that was like a rerun of watching Gerlado Rivera opening Al Capone's vault.
Just think of it as a classic rerun-sometimes you just need to relive the past to appreciate the present!
Solid reference.
Really thinking about getting this for my zr2
I’m interested in winter time with lots more condensation in the crank case. I have the VSE and not seeing much. I had a catch can on my 2017 Tacoma and same thing during the summer. But during the rainy winter it would fill up in 4,000-5,000 miles
At least i take away from the ppe the posibility to be able to try multiple different media to catch oil vapor with very few modifications, as to why you didnt see oil drips my guess is larger volume of hose + larger reservoir its gonna take a while before the oil puddles up to where you can get dripping like you did on the vse.
What do you consider heavy towing? I tow about 12k pounds with mine weekly. I have the max tow package on mine. Thanks, I've learned a lot.
12k is definitely a lot ! It's rated to handle it but it's also about wind resistance. My recent towing adventure was with a tall trailer that weighed 3600lbs and one would think it weighed 36000 pounds with how the truck responded.
Im thinking these LZ0 engines are doing better in this area than the LM2 is/was. Im lovin my LZ0
Sure seems like it!
Hi, I’ve got the VSE catch can and drained it at 2500 mi and got about an ounce of oil out. I put it on and was getting a check engine light after towing for about 150 mi so I smoke tested it. And found a hose clamp loose going to the turbo charger so I replaced it and I’ve made it further without a check engine light, but it still came on after 450 miles of Towing. Comes on after you stop at a rest area and restart the engine .I was going to change all the hose clamps and when I took the hose off the can, there was oil in the hose to the turbo! Did you have any oil in the hose? Any ideas on the check engine light? I’m going to have to re-smoke test . i’ve been thinking about the PPE catch can . Thanks, Jerry.
I wonder if the longer hoses for the PPE is holding the oil instead of it making it to the catch can?
You are correct on that, ppe did advise me that it will likely take 1000 miles or so to see any results due to that.
Gravity is probably letting it drip back into the motor.
Seems like GM did a decent job separating oil from the outgoing gases.
In this case, yes. My other prior 3.0 Diesels, no. I actually poured oil out of my last trucks charge air cooler.
lets see a install video of the VSE on a SUV. Very different experience!
Feel free to share tips on how to make it a better experience.
@@DemonWorks it didn't fit very nice and it was removed. I was hoping you had some insight on the differences.
I have a 23 Yukon Denali, has to move the ground wire for the battery to make it fit properly. Much harder than the trucks for sure.
I'm looking for a shop to do my oil pump belt in or around oklahoma. I'd appreciate any help
That PPE plastic design is pretty bad draining design. Shouldn't cost so much
You really don’t want to be catching a ton of oil in these things. My ecoboost would catch about 4-6 oz per oil change.
I’m getting ready to check my VSE on mine. Should be close to 7k miles. Still don’t see anything on the peep window though.
How do you see soot lvl in your idash I cant find it anywhere
So the only thing drained is ones wallet?? 😅
however you want to look at it.
For sure waste money 💰