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The Craig Saga: The Ultimate “That Guy” | RPG Horror Stories
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
- Have you ever experienced the ultimate that guy? Today's dnd horror stories from r/rpghorrorstories is called The Craig Saga and not only is he a bad player that you don't want at your table... but also a bad dungeon master that will railroad you and then get mad when you don't play along with his cutscenes.
0:00 Intro
00:27 "You Stole My Waifu!"
08:28 "You Are Totally the Main Character!"
23:03 "Don't Ruin My Scene!"
47:57 Craig's Meltdown
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3 different people have retold this story lol but still hilarious
"DONT INTERRUPT MY SCENE!!"
I feel like having an aloof hero type NPC can be fun like a Gaston, but if the party hates him because you forced him too hard... that is on the Craig haha.
@@lootgoblinmarketplace the guide on how to *not* do a dmpc
Over an hour of narrated cringe for your viewing pleasure! Share your thoughts on Craig and someone you’ve had that remind you of him!
It was amazing, and I enjoyed the entire video.
Dude, you know that practically like throwing yourself on a grenade , right? Lol
Jake: prefers D&D 4e to Pathfinder because of Monk
Jake: doesn't even play a Monk.
I thought that was weird too. They must have been really done with monk…
@@lootgoblinmarketplace also, literally EVERYTHING about Pathfinder is better than 4e EXCEPY monk. I mean if Jake wanted a decent monk, he could play 3.5 (or later 5e), but 4e? Like...does it even HAVE a Monk class? And if it does, it's probably just literally "reflavored fighter" instead of its own thing...so objectively worse then Pathfinder Monk
@@davidspring4003 I know any of my friends who got sad a 3.5e feature didn't make it into Pathfinder usually got those things as an easy homebrew port at all my tables. It would be very easy to give Pathfinder Monk anything it was missing!
You might have preferences even if you don't play certain class or something, I really like kobolds despite playing human currently
PF1 or PF2? Cause PF2 monks are really cool
The way Raga one-shots a boss battle instead of the players frustrates me to this day.
Yeah idk how Craig thinks that making every boss fight a cinematic is cool…
Same.
@lootgoblinmarketplace I suspect Craig was more interested in fulfilling his fantasy of sharing his anime-laced imagination and "expert" story telling than he was in running a game people would have fun with, which is probably why he kept trying to control the actions / details of the PCs, to better fit what HE had in mind for HIS story. He only cared about his own indulgence. "Craig looked like he just witnessed the most awesome thing ever." being telling.
@@lootgoblinmarketplace Because anime is all cutscenes and they feel cool because everything is planned out for a satisfying conclusion. Craig just forgot that he's not playing an anime lmao.
@@StSubZerolads if you’re like Craig, don’t DM. Your efforts would be better placed in making visual novels
I don’t understand how anyone can continue playing with someone who forces you to roll self control on kids. That’s just a clear indication that something’s wrong with that person. Woulda got up and left. Probably gave home a piece of my mind too, I understand not everyone has the ability to just initiate confrontation like that, but you need to nip shit like this in the bud.
That may have been one of the most horrifying things I’ve heard. Most the story was your standard player/DM who wants to be the center of the universe and is creepy, but after that I’m shocked the other players would want to be in a room with them.
Really liked that underground steampunk setting tbh
Might steal some aspects
I especially liked Basal as a cave guide and the cave guides faction.
I think even in the worst horror stories, we can still find some good ideas from them. It’s one of my favorite parts about covering them!
@@lootgoblinmarketplaceI like that way of thinking. Even in failure we can still find good stuff. Also yeah I kinda wanna steal that setting too lol. Almost like a fantasy version of the Metro 2033 series.
An hour of hearing that awesome voice and listening to dnd stories is a great addition to my day!
I’m glad you liked it. When you got a classic like this you gotta do the full length. I had doing the multiple part videos haha
Certified hood classic 🔥🔥🔥🔥
He really is one of the OGs
craig character was a refference to guy sensei from naruto , a martial artist who had " spring time of youth " as his cach phrase
Yeah, it sounded so familiar. It was bothering me reading this story. Guy Sensei, of course!
"You're not that Guy, pal" would have been great
I'm shaking and crying right now Guy Sensei would never!
The Craig Saga is a classic. It's one of those sagas where you have someone do a lot of highly questionable decisions with no understanding as to why those decisions were questionable. I can't really fault the enthusiasm. But the results really speak for themselves.
It definitely is a classic. I definitely feel like a lot of players can be a Craig (at least in the sense that they try to be the main character as a first time player and a tyrant as a first time DM) when they start out, but the fact he never grew is what makes this a true horror story.
@@lootgoblinmarketplace I 100% agree with that Loot, Craig missed a lot of opportunities to learn as these events were taking place.
Everytime I see a "new" Craig Saga video, Im always reminded of the 'A NEET Called Luke' story.
We invited a new guy named Craig to our Superhero rpg. We had been gaming for 6 years, and each player had invested a lot of lore for the player characters. We were welcoming even though Craig's character was the most annoying thing ever. We learned he had the power of a god, and ended up undoing everything we had spent years in real life building. The last game most of us got up and walked out of the game mid-sesson.
so the first game he DM'ed i dont think is that bad of a concept on paper. basically tried to make the anime powers more akin to Final Fantasy, where you get smaller boosts of power leading up the huge reveal of being "a warrior of light" kind of deal. but it seems he didnt ever get to "the big reveal" part, and just kept building slowly. basically an EDM song that never reached the drop.
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after that ending, given the inability to separate player from character, i would legit be worried hed come back with a real gun later in the future and try to like "roleplay" his deranged theater cop irl
Yeah the first two stories I really did see how it could be a bad communication thing that he was too immature to handle. It’s weird to give someone their “ideal GF NPC” then 180 their character. Then with the next story you seen him try something out but it could be awkward due to inexperience. By the end of it I too lost any sympathy as it appears he never improved.
Judging by the contrast of how OP ran things to how Craig ran things, I believe the reason he said he hated OP the most was because he felt unreciprocated; in that, in most of Craig's games OP was the favorite and so Craig probably felt he should have been favored in kind. But OP, as far as we know, never played favorites.
The meltdown story revealing Craig as a devotee (people who are sexually attracted to disability, often in a one-dimensional way) is incredibly revealing, as a disabled person.
I am unsurprised that the disability community has a parallel term to "chaser" among trans folks, but it's odd that this is probably the first time I've heard the actual term.
@@ConvincingPeople it’s not something most disabled people like to talk about because it’s a depressing topic in the community, as I’m sure chasers are in the trans community.
Ah, what a classic.
I still can't comprehend Craig as a person and i am still doubtful if it's a truly real story... But, either way, it's a fascinating case indeed.
Yeah, you always have to wonder what is fake or embellished a bit to make the problem player in a story seem even worse, but I definitely believe this saga is more fact than fusion. At least the Part 3 feels very real about a DM crying that his DMPC is getting the emotional payoff he demanded and then losing interest in the campaign after derailing it yourself. It seems like a player that probably doesn’t self reflect very often.
K yeah this was an awful awful experience... But my only shred of empathy for Craig: don't interrupt your GM. They've been thinking about this all the time between game. It's exciting for the GM and when you interrupt you really ruin their fun.
Like Craig is a problem, but lots of players do this to all kinds of DMS, not just problem ones
I’ve been pretty lucky where no one has interrupted me during big moments, but I could see that being annoying.
@@lootgoblinmarketplace it very much is. I enjoy my players but they interrupt constantly in one of my groups.
there is no reason to respect his characters when hes not respecting yours, but if the DM isnt being a huge dick then yea your point stands
I will admit. Craig was just so...I waited until the first interaction OP explained before getting red flags immediately. I would have been mortified at the initial reaction when Rei was initially explained. Heck, I WAS mortified. I would have been talking to both Craig and OP about being uncomfortable immediately at the aggressive nature there. The whole story sent chills up my spine and I think Craig was at least a little bit romantically interested in the OP which was to the blatant favoritism. I feel like a shower now. Otherwise, Beautiful reading @lootgoblinmarketplace You kept a calm that I wouldn't have.
Yeah some of these are horrifying. I feel grateful for my campaigns whenever I read these.
Ah, the Saga of Craig. Not the first tabletop horror story I've heard, but one of the most amusing to me.
Ok, with the second story... I don't want to victim-blame here, but OP let Craig get away with WAY too much. The very first "roll to avoid giving into urge" should have been where the line was drawn.
I do think that this is a good call out. It’s important to realize that some behaviors need to be contested immediately and if they continue to try and do it then it’s time for one of you to part ways with the game. Sometimes being agreeable or passive to a fault can allow a problem player to get out of hand.
Absolutely disgusting. I would NEVER do that to one of my players! They took an npc they knew one of their players adored and lobotomized her off-screen. Ruining the countless hours of player investment into the romance between their character and the npc.
I don't condone the immature way Craig reacted and behaved. But he had every right to feel angry and betrayed.
I do agree that in the first story especially you see that Craig’s frustration isn’t unfounded. I think it’s good in these stories where you can see how while a player might not handle situation maturely it isn’t always a one sided situation. I think that while Craig wasn’t always solely in the wrong in these stories, I feel like all players can have their bad moments but you aren’t a problem player until you repeat bad behavior and don’t learn to be accountable and grow!
@lootgoblinmarketplace It was a long while ago, but I actually found the original reddit post and read the comments. Apparently, the change in personality was due to the emergence of something that was dormant within her. So in other words, it was always going to happen.
I really can't say I'm surprised Craig was the type of guy to drop Pathfinder for 4e
The slow drip weak mortals for Exalted is wild! Solar Exalts are not just demigods, but top tier ANIME DEMIGODS! All caps intended there. They do shit like dodge a cloud of razors that scour a mile wide swath through a city when they were in the center of the AoE or block attacks that could cut a boulder in half with their bare hands. It is a super fun game for a small group so you can let characters really show off in crazy ways.
Craig is this typical hentai main character, who is stalking girls, coping that he has a slightest chance. I almost turned the video of because if disgust and cringe I had been feeling while listening. He is so cartoonish in all of that almost like he is not real, and was just created to be made fun off, like some show characters, if u know what I mean. Thx for reading, btw. Made me feel this DnD vibe, actually. Not the best one in terms of emotions left from the story, but still really interesting. and your voice really does make it to enjoyable experience. 😁
I was extremely weirded out about the amputee girl
As much as I understand the need to play and gain those stories, all those people over and over again kept engaging with said Greig, enabling his god-child-syndrome, and every turn genuinely act surprised like it never happened before
You have quite a voice for this. I liked the whole video.
Thank you! I’ve been enjoying recording these readings!
I love Jacob. He seems a great manager of things and people.
The way he described the WoD campaign going. That's not how WoD is supposed to work... Makes me wonder who was actually the bad guy.
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To be honest, this guy kind of reminds me of Wendell Sanders from key and Peele
This is gonna be a good last hour of work
Glad I could make it go by quicker!
Craig is a whole ass Persona villain. 😂
I think ST might be Story Teller?
I think your right about the abbreviation being story teller. Functionally I tend to think of them all in terms of Dungeon Master or Game Master but that’s my D&D upbringing showing
Yeah, I believe all White Wolf games call their GMs Story Tellers.
Craig is the most horrible person. Hes one of those guys you question how you even met it feels. BUT even I felt a tad bit angry about the romance at the start. Like maybe there was ya know. Plot. But why change the love interest into such a 180? That whole story boggled my mind. Craig could have handled it differently but that time it felt like the dm instigated it with," Yeah i changed their love interest fully and uttlery, but like whats the problem?"
Yeah the first story I kind of got why he was sad but it only got worse from there.
Well, the way I read it, OP was very uncomfortable with the reasons and ways Craig fell in love with her(her being submissive, the "let me carry the unconscious girl" shout), and probably part of the "reasons" to her character changes was to not endorse such behavior of a friend.
Soo, I agree with the "It's understandable that Craig was quite upset" part, but I would call you to reconsider the "why would OP do such a thing, it makes no sense", so that if some1 irl tells you about being orded around or other controlling/manipulative behavior by their love intrest, you could give more support/advice to such person than "what's the problem, seems fine to me"
@73490kanel - I think you hit the nail on the head. I was trying to get my head around the change and that makes a lot of sense.
I love those long form videos
I plan on dropping a longer one every few videos. This was a lot of fun!
Alright the romance thing in the first campaign, I'm gonna assume that the character changes for Rei had something to do with either Rei having gone through some kind of in game character arc that changed her around or the ST losing inspiration for her perhaps so they wanted to change her around? I definitely do think that fucking with like important character relationships for your players without previous consent is a big no but....the immediate interest the dude had in Rei plus with how Craig is described as someone who enjoys anime in a rather.....concerning.....way, would've skeeved me the fuck OUT, I would've fucking went on from then like heeeey guys I can't do romance so don't expect any, power to the ST for committing to it but with how Craig's character was built and the knowledge he's one of those anime fans, I would've been like 'yeah no I'm not writing an anime subplot sorry.'
watching these videos really taught me that I have zero tolerance to cringe. 10/10 would watch again
The ONLY time ive ever had a "forced to roll to avoid "forced" sex" was in a predesigned campaign, not homebrew. In an optional area and the entire party was told that this was in the module and asked if we wanted to keep it or just trade it for something else. We all agreed we were grown up enough to deal with it and were assured none of it would be role played as it would be a fade to black now make consecutive saves scenario. When we then entered that area we were again reminded of that room and the dm checked in to make sure it was fine. Handled well. None of us died to the "Compulsion" that essentially produced immense lust over any who enter and fail a save, designed to pretty much force exhaustion or death.
OP in Story 1: *Gives Craig's waifu to Jake*
OP in Story 2: "For some reason Craig had some sort of issue with Jake."
Really OP? You don't have ANY idea...? I also suspect on the same vein, the reason Craig favored OP so much wasn't because Craig particularly cared about him, but felt MAYBE the favoritism would give OP a moment to say "You know what? I'll return the favor and give you a brand new waifu or old school Rei and a spot back in Anima!"
I give Loot some major credit for pointing out OP's flub regarding his skill in romance. Just yanking someone's love interest away and changing them for no reason worth mentioning is kind of spitting into the face of what was built up so far without Craig's agency. Granted, in OP's defense he -thought- Craig would like the new portrayal of Rei and didn't MEAN to be a dipstick, but still, gotta be careful with romance in RPGs, even with people who arn't Craig.
OP is a kind soul, having no ill-will against Craig as a whole despite the latter's antics. Would be fun to play with him sometime honestly.
God some of these campaigns and arcs and charactets seem SO fucking cool seeing em get run by a shit DM or ruined by one player's so disheartening
Yeah I agree that I see a lot of wasted potential in these stories plot wise. The good news is you can always take what you’d like and try to spin it for your game. Keep all the fun content and none of the horror!
@@lootgoblinmarketplace This is fair actually, I don't DM but if I ever get back into tabletops I'm probably just binging stories here and go at a friend like "hey look at this thats cool as fuck run something similar if you want"
If you haven't already i encourage you to check out the Ross Saga. Also please be sure to include replies from the OP from that story. It is good!
That’s a monster of a story that I’ll have to tackle soon!
@@lootgoblinmarketplace NIIIIIICE! Can't wait to see when you do! Until then, keep being awesome!
i feel like the Black Blade Magus thing was a reference to Asta and his Demonic Anti Magic Black Sword that he uses in Black Clover
He definitely sounds like a craig
8:42
"... ST, which appears appears to be the Dungeon Master term they use for this game"
As someone who is familiar with the Exalted system, yeah that's it. ST is short for "StoryTeller" and is your host for the system.
To add some meta knowledge and context to that section of the story:
>The "no skill over 3" is kind-of an actual rule. The game considers 2 to be "generic/average", 3 is above average, and 5 is legendary. There's a bonus trait you can take where you are so generic-looking that noone can remember what you look like, but it requires you to have Appearance 2, no higher no lower. HOWEVER, This is usually only applied to SKILLS, not attributes, and even then you get like 15 Bonus points that can be spent during Character Creation which CAN raise your skills up to 5.
>"Unheroic heroic mortals who have yet to Exalt." Uh, what? So, to approximate this to D&D as best as I can: A Mortal starts at Lv1 and caps at Lv5, and can't use any magic at all, where as Exalted start at Lv4 and can go all the way up to Lv20 or higher. All Exalted start as Heroic Mortals who are chosen by the gods (sorta), with Heroic being a definition of scale not alignment. All Adventurers in D&D are "Heroic Mortals." An Unheroic Mortal would be the barkeep or town guard. Exaltations explicitly do not choose the meek to become champions.
>"Mask of Winters" is a fairly big stock-badguy in the setting... I know little about D&D's world, but the closest analogy I can think of would be name-dropping "Strahd"
>I don't think the Familiar background allows you to have a shapeshifting pet. Familiar 3 gets you either a panther OR a human-smart cat that can "talk" to you (Analogy, Teekl from Young Justice), Familiar 5 gets you both in the same pet, but no magic powers. But with Craig as ST, I'm not surprised it was allowed. Edit: With what the familiar turned out to be, I'd say she would be properly represented by the Allies background instead... at rating 8 or higher.
>Knowing Terrestrial Sorcery at character creation while being mortal... legally possible. It means your character has underwent at least two eye-opening experiences about the reality of the world (One to awaken their Essence, which all Exalted get for free, and one to undergo the trials of Sorcery, which even Exalted must do), and probably had to min-max his stats to pull it off (Mortals start with Essence 1, Exalted with Essence 2, and Essence 3 is required to learn Sorcery). It is exceptionally rate in-universe, but it IS possible.
>Elaboration on Charms: Some charms can be outrageous, others are basic. A Paladin's Smite would count as a Charm, as would a Bard's Inspire. Charms form the basis of the game's system, being basically every ability besides basic move and attack.
>Sorcery as charms... oh boy. Sorcery is MUCH different in Exalted than D&D. First, you initiate casting on one turn, and then launch the spell at the beginning of the next turn. If the spell is a higher tier of magic (there are three tiers total), you have to spend an additional turn casting per tier. This consumes one Willpower per tier, which players start with about 7 and caps at 10, and you recover approximately 1d3 to 1d5 Willpower per long-rest. The payoff for this insanely costly system is first-tier sorcery lets you turn someone's bones into lava (or cast Fireball), while third tier sorcery lets you fire an anime pillar-of-light that erases everything in a 100-yard radius of impact.
>Tattoo Solar... I can't completely discount the concept of tattoo-powers as being possible, but Solar is no and prototype is most likely no. There is an example of Tattooed Exalted, however; Lunar Exalted, which are werewolves/shapeshifters.
>Lost Demon Queen Raga... I'm just going to say that Demons in Exalted do *not* work that way. Short version is when the Gods (who created the Exalted) overthrew their creators, said creators were thrown into a pocket dimension as a prison. Those former creators (and their lesser servants) are Exalted's demons. Four tiers, with multiple lines of text explicitly saying that the Fourth Tier can NEVER escape (at least not without breaking the whole prison open) and are the physical terrain of the pocket dimension. A Third Tier demon is an equivalent power-level to Tiamat or Bahumut (minimum) and don't even get proper statblocks, Second tier is probably as strong as an elder dragon, First tier are your basic mooks.
>Sidreal Exalted... Solars are Paladins, Lunars are Druids, Sidereals get all sorts of fate-related nonsense. People exalt as Sidereals because fate says so... that's pretty much it. Being hugged to death though should have turned her into an Abyssal, though.
What about play a lombax artificer
Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well
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The only points I can give to craig are points toward how cool story 3’s campaign would’ve been if played well,
No, honestly, I think there was no better way it could have ended. Craig basically kicked himself out due to being unable to separate himself from the fantasy. I hope Craig gets help. With Craig seeing himself out, OP and the rest of the group didn't have to expend any negative energy.
If anything the Aloof character probably would've been good as a twist villain if done right. Get the party to like em and at the one point betray them. After all, nobody betrays trust like Gaston.
Craig sounds like a toddler.
If Chris-chan played DND...
Thr submissive part would be more worrying if i knew to what point did he take it. For me the whole roll to stop your charecter from graping a child is the moment he would be kicked from the freind grouo like. The heck is wrong with you at that point
Synthesist is OP and broken for those that played Pathfinder 1e. Also Craig sounds like Cartman from south park power hungry and obnoxious
As an Elijah I will say that that Elijah is nothing like the real ones
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Anima is great fun, but soooo many tables
I definitely need to get into it!
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whats a edipus complex
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Seems like the dm is interested in a profane/ horror setting, about loss and corruption. Also the players are very uppity about their morality, so to a dm trying to tell his story, is this a glass house situation.
Also communicate and setting expectations seems to be lacking on all ends, especially from the story teller.. but live and let learn..!
'It would look stupid' is such a weird justification for a GM screwing over their player in a game that only exists in descriptions
This really is a horror story compilation. DM v PCs a la sexual anime fantasies
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Do not like Craig so not defending him. But it struck me wrong when the op stated the "waifu" was somehow better because she was not introverted any longer. That somehow sarcastic and snippy and extroverted was better. Idk it just bothered me.
Best I can guess is OP intended for Rei's initial introvert submissive nature to be a flaw to grow out of rather than an endearing trait.
Somebody put a good point earlier, it sounds like the DM was uncomfortable playing out Craig's romantic enjoyment of a timid and subdued character so wanted to make sure the character had more strength to balance the power dynamic and this put Craig off.
Craig was in the right it's shit writing to randomly give an established character a 180 on their personality out of nowhere