What I'm most confused about is why it was a thing they needed to talk about or defend from in the first place? Why are they upset the kids are dating? (I know the kids aren't, but they apparently think they are or think they almost are and they're mad about it?)
In the first half you could argue an everyone, but as it went on its clear gunslinger and cleric were projecting something that didn't exist on to them and yelling they had to be right cause they're the adults
Yeah, in the first half, I wasn't sure if maybe Bard and Writer would do something that made the others uncomfortable... but as the story played out the Cleric and Gunslinger freaked out about an everyday Discord friendship that I've seen a hundred times. If they are jealous that Bard wasn't hanging out with them as much that is kind of sad this is how they tried to resolve it.
Yeah This is bad enough for adults harassing OTHER adults about an imaginary romance, but extra awful and pathetic for harassing actual minors for such a shallow thing?!
@@lootgoblinmarketplace - I think the part that irritates me the most is that Cleric and Gunslinger made a fuss, then basically said, 'we're just joking. let's just drop it.' Only to turn around later and tell them, 'You didn't listen to anything we said.' Dude, if you said you were just joking and to drop it, I wouldn't have listened to anything you said either; especially since Gunslinger and Cleric are not listening to anything anyone else is saying either. I think we're missing some information, because Gunslinger and Cleric got pretty vicious from Writer's perspective out of the blue; they're still wrong for treating Writer and Bard the way they did; but there's something there that we're missing, which is entirely possible that Gunslinger and Cleric talked together and jumped to some conclusions without getting the facts, and just convinced themselves of those conclusions, again, without getting the facts first, and never budging from these conclusions once facts were presented. Or maybe Gunslinger and Cleric just need an evaluation and some prescription meds. Who knows...
"Why are you dating bard?" "I'm not, I'm lesbian?" "Excuses! Also! How dare you date someone three whole years older than you?!" "Wha...?" "You're the asshole for dating bard, by the way!"
Hey, I'm 54, and my wife is 56 right now, but I've already had my b-day this year, and she hasn't. So once she has her b-day, she'll be 57 to my 54. So what's the big deal about 2-3 years?
@@earlwyss520 At that age, most gaps don't really matter. But at age 15 (and these players seem to be teenagers), 3 years either way is a lot, and often considered inappropriate. I would expect someone with 54 years of experience to know this, though.
Im thinking one of the three adults might have been attempting to get INTO a relationship with bard. Seperation is a pretty common tactic with grooming, and they were trying way to hard to convince op that the bard was saying things. Im wondering if it was a lie started by one of them, possibly gunslinger since he tried to bring up having screenshots that didnt exist
I could see where you think that. If nothing else one of the adults is mad they lost their discord friend’s attention. Be it dating or just hanging out, someone is jealous that the writer here got the Bard’s attention. At least that is my take.
"I told him I was a lesbian, and he said he was disappointed that I would use that excuse". Sounds like gunslinger and cleric have had a fake excuse or two from other women to get away from their creepiness.
It also kinda has the energy of “a lesbian is just a woman who hasn’t met the right man yet”. As a lesbian DND player, I’ve definitely encountered my fair share of this energy. Thankfully, I started playing when I was old enough to know how to firmly shut it down.
@@1bendykat I heard that argument to as a gay dude, that an npc was such a babe i had to make a save to not fall in love even though not into girls, and even though it wasnt a magical effect.
Assuming the OP is telling the truth, the only thing she did wrong was not telling cleric and gunslinger to fuck off and blocking them immediately. I'm amazed she even thinks there's a possibility she's in the wrong. I'm genuinely furious on her behalf.
Aw, she still doesn't get how gross the older guys were being. They're predatory creeps, and she needs to excise herself from that situation immediately.
For the first half, I was ready to do some devil's advocating. If two people are obviously spam flirting back and forth in a public discord it can be annoying in the, "c'mon, guys, get a room!" way. ..... buuuuut the further it went, the more it seemed unhinged.
I'm just going to say...there is a chance that Cleric and Gunslinger were jealous at the idea of a relationship, because they were not in one at the time (either due to a recent break-up or just alone for a while.)
@@lootgoblinmarketplace When they were told that she was a lesbian, they probably doubled down on the theory since most adults don't like when kids prove them wrong
Going based on the story we have I think the writer and Bard are in the right. Unless it is heavily fabrucated or altered, I don't think there could be any other result.
I’m late to this party but when I was a minor with unrestricted internet access I can tell you that this whole rumor-spreading and separation tactic is just a way for the adults to prey on the children. Shaming someone and calling them a “pedo” (despite them also being a minor) might be how that adult subconsciously deflects their own predatory behavior. But after this whole debacle it really does draw attention to these group of adults and I urge people to keep an eye out for similar signs in people that are a part of your group(s).
If this story is true and complete, I think it's clear who is at fault here. I'm a little confused what accusations Gunslinger and Cleric were making. At no point in the story is it clear what Bard or Writer have been doing wrong, according to Gunslinger and Cleric. If Bard and Writer *did* get into a relationship, or one was budding, that would seemingly have been completely fine.
I feel like there is quite a lot of context lacking and a lot that was mentioned that was unimportant by comparison. When it comes to what the actual problem was, there's not much specifics. That being the case, its possible that OP is leaving things out and/or exaggerating. The one thing I could see is that maybe seeing two minors flirting with sexually suggestive memes made them uncomfortable as adults, and was further exemplified by the age difference (from my high school experiences, two years makes a difference even in the eyes of other high schoolers, and a lot of maturing happens in that time). There also could have been some frequent manipulative behaviors expressed that OP has left out as OP may have a heavy bias toward bard or been manipulative herself. Even if all of that was the case, it seems like they went too far as adults in the situation. I'm not trying to defend them at all, I just always heavily question the validity of posts like this since we are only getting one side of the story and especially since there is very little in the way of important and specific details.
@@infinityseven5924 - Agreed; there is a lot of missing context. But even with the missing context, I would say the two 'adults' reacted poorly to the situation. I'm not surprised though; I often deal with people reacting poorly to serious situations almost daily. Primary cause? Lack of communication, every time.
All else aside, I find it more than a little unsettling that several grown adults were so involved in the love lives of literal minors, that they know over the internet no less. I don't know the full situation of course, so I feel uncomfortable saying definitively who's in the wrong, but that seemed like it could all too easily become an unsafe situation for the minors and was already very emotionally damaging. It's very iffy, because the power balance in any relationship between adults and minors is heavily skewed, including adults' physical ability to more easily regulate their emotions and their larger amount of lived experience. Children experience a full range of emotions and have equal personhood to adults, but many adults seem to forget that. Even so, it's easier for a child to get confused by their emotions or struggle to understand them clearly, and in heated situations full of conflict, it's even more difficult. In addition society sets up the expectation that adults are authority figure that children must obey, and who have the right to discipline. When the adult takes responsibility to have the child's wellbeing as their utmost priority, it is critical for protecting the child and giving them the space to develop, learn, and grow. When an adult is acting only in their own interest, it can too easily lead to a child feeling like they must obey or defer to someone who absolutely does not care about helping them or keeping them safe, and adults automatically assuming that they have the right to use power over a child when they don't. Whenever adults 'ship' minors, it always rubs me the wrong way. Mainly because it is indicating that those adults are viewing those minors in a romantic or sexual light, even if the adult themselves is 'uninterested'. I really don't get the people who look at two babies or toddlers playing together and are like 'aw, they're in love, they're going to get married some day'. Or in a case like this, assuming it's impossible for older children to have platonic friends of differing genders and getting really bothered by it, like they have to force it to be true so they can punish or encourage it, and then get mad when it isn't.
God forbid and boy and a girl be friends and interact with each other in a normal friend way. 🤦♀ The "adults" didn't belong in any discussion relating to two kids dating, even if they had been dating, that's just gross for them to try and get in the middle of that.
Even if they were dating, why would it matter? Demanding answers from some underage folks about their personal life is so fuckin creepy under any circumstance. And honestly? The vibe i get is that Bard shared some feelings he was keeping private from Writer because he knew she wasnt interested and liked their friendship. In which case, going after her like that in a way he clearly didnt want to is even worse! Its such a huge violation of his privacy and their friendship.
My situation its not even close but somewhat similar, people dont understand that u can be closer to someone without being atraccted to her or him. Could i have a friendship that i enjoy spending time with without having someone saying things that they dont even know? They are very good friends and i keep playing with them but sometimes they're annoying. Good vid 🙂 i enjoyed it as always.
Glad you liked the video! Yeah people sometimes read too much into friendships and if both people like how things are then it’s the other people projecting their own insecurity.
I love when two adult men get jealous of two minors being friends, like they wanted a chance with the underage girl or something?? Who was lesbian??? Your life is pretty clearly better off without those two creepy manipulative old dudes around
I am hard-pressed to put any blame on the Writer. The Cleric and Gunslinger were totally out of line. I'm also perplexed to see that the DM was nowhere to be found to try and defuse the situation.
@@SolidSprinkles Yeah, it seems like the DM besides putting Discord in slow-mode once or twice didn't really defuse much. The Blood Hunter tried to step in a little bit as a fellow player, but he doesn't have the same authority as a DM would in that same scenario.
Oh, this is easy. Somebody was jealous over somebody. I'm guessing gunslinger and/or cleric had an inappropriate interest in OP and were angry that OP and bard were so close.
So uncomfy lol. Watched all the way to the end. My god the cleric and gunslinger are completely asses and I would not be surprised if they were the actual predatory ones here that they are trying to accuse the poor UNDERAGE CHILD of being. It seems to have continuously been denied and the op’s actual identification being invalidated. I would not be surprised if they were just getting frustrated that they could not groom her because her actual friend was the one she was hanging out with. My god. There is definitely a lot that can be read between the lines here that op seems to be unaware of. I really hope she doesn’t have to deal with people like cleric and gunslinger ever again.
Idk how i feel about "for all intentions and purposes we are all minors" what does that mean? Are you 16? 17? 18? 12? Thats such a weird way to put it and to me comes off as already trying to show themselves as the good guys and the adult as the "crazy adult yelling at kids"
That's where I'm at. Like this story doesn't make a lot of sense to begin with yet it's seems to be in the lens of "we children so we good guys even if we do wrong. Them old people so creepy and bad cuz we got yelled at." I get the whole nature of the story but it comes off like a bad fanfic using some real details while obfuscating the other facts for context.
Really just turned it into "Damned if you do, damned if you don't." Deny, and it's true. Confirm, and it's true. Why obsess over someone else's relationships?
I love the fact that what appears to be the biggest problem player (IMO the blood hunter, because he brings personal tensions to the table) was the biggest supporter. Op and bard are safe as they may have made a misunderstanding but their relationships are none of anyone else’s business. Even if someone is your childhood best friend they have no say in who you date, they do have a right as your friend to voice their opinion but not to choose for you. The only power cleric and gunslinger had was to watch over you two and either cheer you on or voice their concerns, they should have never tried that intervention like VC. While it is possible for a lesbian to discover their bi and for someone to move on from their ex, unless you are that individual you don’t get to have a vote on how they feel. The very fact you could shut the gunslinger down so easily is proof they were sticking their nose where it don’t belong.
Thank you! I feel like reading these gives me a chance to improve my own communication and problem-solving skills when I play D&D and hopefully helps others navigate these kinds of situations too!.
Why were these adults so triggered and interested in a potential relationship between minors, whether it was romantic or not? That comes off as creepy to me, the adults are the a-holes, not the author or bard.
I think part of this story is missing, because their reactions were extreme, especially for what amounts to some back and forth joking text chat. Even if they are still in the wrong, I imagine there is missing context that elaborates their side of the situation, at least enough to where it would make sense.
Based on the information provided, Bard did have a crush on her or was joking and Cleric and/or Gunslinger took it too seriously. As you said, unless there's some other information we didn't get, Cleric and Gunslinger are in the wrong.
A true "adult" should act as a "peacemaker", not cause strife within the group. While causing mischief & mayhem in game is acceptable, causing it out of game isn't. If someone is giving other members of the group "the creeps" or bullying them while not in game, they should be booted from the group.
Obviously cleric and gunslinger were completely in the wrong, but I do think that bard may have had a crush on writer which complicated the story. Unless cleric and gunslinger were completely and utterly delusional, which is possible but personally I don't buy. Even with all that said, even if they had a complicated and messy budding relationship that writer denied, so what? They were both minors, so it's not like they were deliberately trying to be child molesters. The only grooming I'm seeing is the childish adults trying to apparently gaslight the two of them into believing something that wasn't gonna happen.
If this is real we all know who’s the a-hole. A simple thought that has come to my mind is that “for someone who claims to have not remembered a whole lot they sure do remember a lot”. Simple chat in the discord is something that could easily could be looked back upon but voice chats not so much. So either they looked back at the discord and begun to remember or they’re being disengenuous about something. That could be either about them not remembering much, something about the story, or I could just be missing something.
Not really sure how the OP can think they might be the jerk in this situation, which makes me wonder if we're missing some details. Regardless, the homophobia on display tells me already who the main bad guy is. Regardless of whether or not anyone else is a jerk.
Not only do I side with OP and Bard, I think that Gunslinger and Cleric are lying about what Bard talked to them about. In fact, there's a part of me that's getting toxic white knight vibes from Gunslinger; especially since Gunslinger was specifically trying to drive a wedge between OP and Bard and was in denial of the fact that OP was a lesbian. He wanted to feel like he was saving OP from an abusive relationship, so that he would be entitled to a relationship with OP; and when that didn't work because of, well, the obvious reason, he switched tactics and started attacking OP.
11:30 I'm straight and I thought that was just a funny joke. The "Step-Bro" joke also feels like a joke, with no real attachment to why it became a meme in the first place (separate art from artist). Though it also might just be that I'm used to being around people who are more than straight to the point I see where the line between friendships and lovers is drawn. (My friends do call me love Guru for some reason) But those two were definitely in the wrong. They're adults assuming children were dating, omitting the information that one of them was gay. Made only worse that they blew the entire thing the f*ck up with their own BS when both "victims" said, "That's not what happened!" (And seriously? Using a fake voice recording of a confession that never happened? Yeah no, those two were creeps that failed to keep a relationship so they never wanted to be witness to other relationships)
Different personality types coupled with the immaturity while simultaneously having an undeserved sense of life experience from a group of minors and young adults points to everyone being at fault.
I do find it’s funny that the young adults probably were like college age students roasting upper class high schoolers that they are much more mature then them.
@Loot Goblin: D&D Stories & GreenText are they though? I've never played over the net but I'd imagine spamming unrelated comments or quoting would get old real fast. Shut up and pay attention to the game
If I spam and you, in turn, accuse me of being an abuser, we're seeing eachother irl for the first time either at your door with a couple of my friends or in court
Not them weaponizing therapy speak to try and manipulate two kids into not talking to each other. Those men are for sure creeps and just not giving full details into why they are actually upset with them interacting.
Is asked what behavior is disliked, pretends it was all a joke and there is no behavior they dislike. Is surprised when behavior continues. For that reason alone they are the problems, and then there is all of the other things they did wrong.
I’m of the belief that adults hanging out with children is a bad idea. Both for the child, and especially for the adult in these days, accusations of grooming, online are very serious and nothing to mess around with. In real life, accusations of being a paedophile or something you need to take very seriously if you’re a guy, I don’t allow anybody below the age of 18 in my games for that pacific reason it’s best for everybody for adults to be with adults and children to be with children.
Any time someone else external to a relationship (whatever that relationship may be) makes assumptions about said relationship, they are automatically the ass hole. If you assume these friends are dating: Asshole. If you assume a dating couple are on the rocks: Asshole. If you assume that a couple aren't right for one another: Asshole. It's none of your business. Now obviously if the relationship is abusive, then an intervention may be necessary, but if you assume there is abuse when there is little to no evidence for it: Asshole!
Cleric/Gunslinger both remind me of the guy that was with some chance unironically collecting "excuses" (e.g. all getaways he heard for being a creep) from girls that turned him down 💀
First part, nunya. Second part, business. Those adults might be chronologically older, but they sure as hell weren't mature.They were acting like two people chatting on a semi-private channel is somehow a crime.
The best possible interpretations for Gunslinger and Cleric: 1) the OP is leaving out facts that would explain more in-depth their issue ( _entirely possible since she clearly needed to keep her privacy_ ) or 2) They simply don't understand that the love that you have for a friend isn't necessarily the kind you would have for a family member, romantic partner or lover. But honestly, I agree with the consensus that this was either some weird gaslighting effort to potentially isolate and groom Bard, or these two are projecting some major levels of confused incel/white knight delusion.
Dude said stop quoting, it's making me uncomfortable. She said, i'm not couldn't stop quoting, but let me know so I can stop cooling and then kept quoting what is going on
Im autistic and I got annoyed when my phone was spammed in a group chat my family had while I was at work. I cane off more harsh than I thought...so if it was a spamming thing, that mightve been annoying. Also, young people can be annoying for adults (have also been on that end of something). I dont think the dating thing was the big problem....I could be wrong though. Edit: just out of personal preference, a minor has to be pretty mature for me to have the patience to play with them
Honestly whenever i'm dealing with someone who is not an adult, They get a lot of leeway for just silly drama and petty things because kids are kids and if you treat them respectfully and don't harass them they can learn to model better behavior. I don't really understand what the harm would be even if she and bard were flirting or anything? I'm just really confused about why it would have been a problem if they were just shy about being into each other or even if bard had tried to play it off because he was embarrassed that he didn't realize she wasn't into guys at ALL. I would still shrug it off because he's not an adult. Everyone has potential to be silly or annoying, regardless of age. GS and Cleric sound like a couple of man children who cannot handle themselves around actual children. What a couple of wierdos, and it's creepy how much they cared about being right
Tbh, I feel like OP isn't telling the full story here. With the way they talk in the first half, I can definitely see them as being *that* type of person and it being them who kicked off the whole drama.
A bit late, but I’ve experienced some of the issues this girl had with Bard. I’m straight, but I hang out with one of my close friends, a guy, on a frequent basis. Despite the fact that he has a girlfriend, a concerning number of people assume we’re a gay couple, in semi-rural Texas, so I can definitely see the others thinking OP was in a heteronormative relationship despite being lesbian
I think that OP and Bard should have taken the hint and left the group sooner. DM could also have been more active in stopping this. Perhaps even kicked out the trouble makers/bullies.
Honestly based on what was shown their quotes/posts are really innocent at least compared to my group’s. Like we have jokes about goblin genocide and seducing dragons/bar maids/magic talking trees (all directed at our bard) and other unintentionally hilarious/edgy things people have said. Heck we even have some of those “flirtatious comments” between members, while we are a mixed party (which is to say we have multiple sexualities/genders/races/etc) it’s all in good fun, and there’s only been a few instances of people being genuinely offended/mistaking it for how we actually feel about something.
I think its important to point out that we dont know the "adults" actual ages here. Yes, they may be over 18, abd they may no longer be in Highschool, but many, if not most, 18 or 19 year olds i know are still high school kids realsimply think they are not anymore. This entire situation sounds like highschool drama in which i wouldnt call anyone an asshole because they are all children, or close enough. I know when i was that age i thought myself adult and mature, and i was not, and i challenge anyone over tha age of 30, or even 25, to look back at their 18-20 year old self and consider that person mature.
Based on the story presented to us... OP is not even close to being in the wrong. I can't understand why anybody (other than OP, because she's being gaslit by Gunslinger and Cleric into believing otherwise) would remotely think that OP is in the wrong. Honestly, the whole situation is gross and uncomfortable... and honestly, anyone who blames OP (based on what has been presented here) is someone I think needs to be investigated by their local police because that just screams to me that they're almost certainly an abusive POS who has probably done some really f-ed up and illegal things to others. Is that presumptuous on my part? Yeah, definitely. Doesn't change the fact I do not, can not, and will not trust anyone who defends abusing a child for a perceived relationship with another child and then justifies that abuse with the argument "You being a lesbian is just an excuse."
I think the a hole in this situation are the self proclaimed mature adults... Trying to wrap my brain around their exact goal... I can't think of anything other then like you express jealousy.
I mean if they were "spam flirting" that would be annoying but from what op posted i didnt see that as flirting. Also why are grown adults obsessing over if kids are dating? That's honestly really weird.
Cleric and Gunslinger are definitely 100% in the wrong - so much so that I'm surprised they weren't booted after the second incident. Even if writer and Bard were in a relationship, it's not Cleric and Gunslinger's business. And Cleric taking issue with "quote flirting" (which I can't even see how that would be considered flirting) is Cleric's problem, not the writer's. Not only that, but Gunslinger and Cleric claiming that "writer just claimed to be a Lesbian as an excuse" is blatant homophobia. And seriously? Arguing that defending one's self makes you suspicious? What is this, the early Medieval period? Cleric and Gunslinger are the kind of people that almost make me want to support the human extinction movement. They're scum, absolute wastes of organic matter. Especially Gunslinger, who fucking decided to pursue things further instead of just washing their hands of it. Being an adult and being mature are two different things. The only mistake writer made here was even engaging with Gunslinger after Gunslinger tried to restart things. She should have just blocked Gunslinger's ass right then and there. Bard might have been a bit of a secret admirer of writer, but if anything it seems like he had already come to terms with it being a pipe dream.
Kinda hard to say for sure, I feel like she's leaving out what her and bard were saying for I reason. I mean we all know at that age a lot of things you find as jokes and cannot possibly be misconstrued are probably dirty, and 2 adults seeing/hearing that between minors might make them a bit uncomfortable playing a game with them. EVEN IF that does not excuse their behavior, and fuck I knew a sophomore who dated a 8th grader, and it only seemed weird as a kid.
I think Gunslinger and Cleric are in the wrong. They misunderstood what was going on between OP and Bard and rather than asking for clarification or ignoring it or whatever, they jumped to conclusions and refused to back down to the point of doubling down on their accusations.
Watching this a bit late, but I agree the cleric and gunslinger are in the wrong here, given the information provided. It's pretty shameful for two adults to make up some fantasy about two minors and then berate them for it.
Feels like this story is missing something or the two causing this ruckus felt uncomfortable about two minors in their group in the end and it ended up being weird mess of projections.
In my opinion, Cleric and gunslinger really had NO business being as hostile as they were. Only thing I can take from it is that they had probably not been easily able to make a connection with Bard before and they were angry that someone was able to do so quickly. That is in no way defending them, but is a possible explanation as a partial outsider to the situation. A am a bit upset that the Blood Hunter didn't try to remain friends with the two, BUUUT I can probably assume they just wanted to leave it at that with it staying on a potentially neutral or good note depending on how it ended after the comforting. All in all, Bard/OP 10/10 you both did right there. Blood hunter and DM. A bit of a 7 there on possible correct things, but I'm not shaming you there. Cleric and gunslinger -10. Being adults doesn't mean you're right. I'm an adult and I KNOW I am wrong like 40% of the time. It could be possible I'm wrong here. But you know what, I don't mind that. I will to my death bed support the two friends that just wanted to be friends.
Please more papa, i require more enjoyment papa. No but seriously, keep up the good work, can't wait for more videos. Edit: Anyway giving my personal opinion on the matter, i believe the two problem players were simply so full of love life insecurites they just couldn't deal with hearing or even seeing anyone else have any potential love life. For the write, i don't blame them for the way acted as they were simply confused and unaware. I wouldn't act the same way but i can see why they acted the way they did, especially with the fact even i myself, who has made a whooping amount Ps: No i'm not single, it worked eventually. Remember boys, everyone can get a love life partner with enough determination and low enough standards. Edit2: OKAY SCRAP ALL THAT, THOSE GUYS ARE JUST INSECURE AS #### HOLY #### I THINK I BECAME CHRISTIAN AGAIN.
Yeah, I definitely agree that the two problem players likely overanalyzed things because the Writer did make it seem like it was pretty standard stuff. I have had many friends on Discord that I would chat with daily and send custom memes to related to whatever game we were playing. We even had a quotes channel and the "quoting back and forth" thing happens often enough. The two who did it the most in my party were by no means dating each other. I'm glad things worked out for you eventually!
Trying to get people on your side by calling yourself a child instead of a teenager creates a huge difference in the storytelling, especially when you call someone whos 18 a full ass adult like huh? Just say you were 14 and he was 16 turning 17. The quoting between the two of them was cringy though. They should of just messaged each other in a separate chat because everyone in that chat was getting notifications and it was probably annoying. But thats discord chat for ya
I think cleric and gunslinger liked op and were jealous even though they were not dating and they though wanted her to be faking lesbien because they liked her
Teenagers are not children, they are adolescents. OP and Bard were probably occasionally irritating with all their chit chat and shitposting. But, that does not excuse the behaviour of the (young) adults.
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That VC devolved into “if they float, they’re a witch and if they sink, they’re a witch”
Yeah, they basically said every reason wasn’t valid and any response was a tactic to manipulate them.
@@lootgoblinmarketplace What Cleric & Gunslinger were saying sounded like things manipulators would say.
Okay but if it’s the size of a duck and made of wood, then logically it must be a witch.
@@MrNickPresley "What are some other things that float in water?"
"Pebbles!"
"Pieces of bread!"
"A CHURCH!"
What I'm most confused about is why it was a thing they needed to talk about or defend from in the first place? Why are they upset the kids are dating? (I know the kids aren't, but they apparently think they are or think they almost are and they're mad about it?)
In the first half you could argue an everyone, but as it went on its clear gunslinger and cleric were projecting something that didn't exist on to them and yelling they had to be right cause they're the adults
Yeah, in the first half, I wasn't sure if maybe Bard and Writer would do something that made the others uncomfortable... but as the story played out the Cleric and Gunslinger freaked out about an everyday Discord friendship that I've seen a hundred times. If they are jealous that Bard wasn't hanging out with them as much that is kind of sad this is how they tried to resolve it.
@@lootgoblinmarketplace Agreed, that's where I see the anger coming from. Then they threw tantrums instead of being honest adults.
Yeah
This is bad enough for adults harassing OTHER adults about an imaginary romance, but extra awful and pathetic for harassing actual minors for such a shallow thing?!
@@lootgoblinmarketplace - I think the part that irritates me the most is that Cleric and Gunslinger made a fuss, then basically said, 'we're just joking. let's just drop it.' Only to turn around later and tell them, 'You didn't listen to anything we said.' Dude, if you said you were just joking and to drop it, I wouldn't have listened to anything you said either; especially since Gunslinger and Cleric are not listening to anything anyone else is saying either.
I think we're missing some information, because Gunslinger and Cleric got pretty vicious from Writer's perspective out of the blue; they're still wrong for treating Writer and Bard the way they did; but there's something there that we're missing, which is entirely possible that Gunslinger and Cleric talked together and jumped to some conclusions without getting the facts, and just convinced themselves of those conclusions, again, without getting the facts first, and never budging from these conclusions once facts were presented.
Or maybe Gunslinger and Cleric just need an evaluation and some prescription meds. Who knows...
"Why are you dating bard?"
"I'm not, I'm lesbian?"
"Excuses! Also! How dare you date someone three whole years older than you?!"
"Wha...?"
"You're the asshole for dating bard, by the way!"
Yeah that exchange was wild. The first time I read it I couldn’t believe it.
Hey, I'm 54, and my wife is 56 right now, but I've already had my b-day this year, and she hasn't. So once she has her b-day, she'll be 57 to my 54. So what's the big deal about 2-3 years?
@@earlwyss520 yes, exactly. That's part of the confusion. 3 years is NOTHING.
@@earlwyss520thats an extremely autistic way of saying that there is a 3 year difference, defo fake
@@earlwyss520 At that age, most gaps don't really matter. But at age 15 (and these players seem to be teenagers), 3 years either way is a lot, and often considered inappropriate. I would expect someone with 54 years of experience to know this, though.
Im thinking one of the three adults might have been attempting to get INTO a relationship with bard. Seperation is a pretty common tactic with grooming, and they were trying way to hard to convince op that the bard was saying things. Im wondering if it was a lie started by one of them, possibly gunslinger since he tried to bring up having screenshots that didnt exist
I could see where you think that. If nothing else one of the adults is mad they lost their discord friend’s attention. Be it dating or just hanging out, someone is jealous that the writer here got the Bard’s attention. At least that is my take.
@@lootgoblinmarketplace Entirely agree on that front
"I told him I was a lesbian, and he said he was disappointed that I would use that excuse". Sounds like gunslinger and cleric have had a fake excuse or two from other women to get away from their creepiness.
Yeah, they definitely don’t come across as easy to talk to…
It also kinda has the energy of “a lesbian is just a woman who hasn’t met the right man yet”. As a lesbian DND player, I’ve definitely encountered my fair share of this energy. Thankfully, I started playing when I was old enough to know how to firmly shut it down.
To be fair, a straight man is just a man who hasn't met the right man yet.
@@1bendykat I heard that argument to as a gay dude, that an npc was such a babe i had to make a save to not fall in love even though not into girls, and even though it wasnt a magical effect.
I'd make excuses to get away from those two as well. sheesh.
Ah yes, the definitely obviously notoriously shaky and unbelievable defence of “But i’m not capable of being attracted to that gender.”
Yeah it’s kind of wild how quickly that got dismissed by them.
Cleric/Gunslinger were mad they couldn't groom Writer/Bard
Ding ding ding!
It seems like a lot of people are saying that, and I kind of agree.
I came here for this comment 👏🏻
💯 I was thinking the exact same thing.
Assuming the OP is telling the truth, the only thing she did wrong was not telling cleric and gunslinger to fuck off and blocking them immediately. I'm amazed she even thinks there's a possibility she's in the wrong. I'm genuinely furious on her behalf.
Yeah, the only way this could be OP's fault is if the story is distorted. Assuming honesty, she's in the clear.
Aw, she still doesn't get how gross the older guys were being. They're predatory creeps, and she needs to excise herself from that situation immediately.
Yeah it seems like they accused her and the Bard of something that they might actually be guilty of…
For the first half, I was ready to do some devil's advocating. If two people are obviously spam flirting back and forth in a public discord it can be annoying in the, "c'mon, guys, get a room!" way.
..... buuuuut the further it went, the more it seemed unhinged.
“What are you doing step-bard?”
I'm just going to say...there is a chance that Cleric and Gunslinger were jealous at the idea of a relationship, because they were not in one at the time (either due to a recent break-up or just alone for a while.)
That is definitely a possibility. I think it would help explain their frustration at the situation.
@@lootgoblinmarketplace When they were told that she was a lesbian, they probably doubled down on the theory since most adults don't like when kids prove them wrong
Going based on the story we have I think the writer and Bard are in the right. Unless it is heavily fabrucated or altered, I don't think there could be any other result.
Yeah I feel the same way based on how it’s presented.
I’m late to this party but when I was a minor with unrestricted internet access I can tell you that this whole rumor-spreading and separation tactic is just a way for the adults to prey on the children. Shaming someone and calling them a “pedo” (despite them also being a minor) might be how that adult subconsciously deflects their own predatory behavior. But after this whole debacle it really does draw attention to these group of adults and I urge people to keep an eye out for similar signs in people that are a part of your group(s).
eh?
If this story is true and complete, I think it's clear who is at fault here.
I'm a little confused what accusations Gunslinger and Cleric were making. At no point in the story is it clear what Bard or Writer have been doing wrong, according to Gunslinger and Cleric. If Bard and Writer *did* get into a relationship, or one was budding, that would seemingly have been completely fine.
I agree with this sentiment that as presented they are clearly in the wrong.
I feel like there is quite a lot of context lacking and a lot that was mentioned that was unimportant by comparison. When it comes to what the actual problem was, there's not much specifics. That being the case, its possible that OP is leaving things out and/or exaggerating. The one thing I could see is that maybe seeing two minors flirting with sexually suggestive memes made them uncomfortable as adults, and was further exemplified by the age difference (from my high school experiences, two years makes a difference even in the eyes of other high schoolers, and a lot of maturing happens in that time). There also could have been some frequent manipulative behaviors expressed that OP has left out as OP may have a heavy bias toward bard or been manipulative herself.
Even if all of that was the case, it seems like they went too far as adults in the situation. I'm not trying to defend them at all, I just always heavily question the validity of posts like this since we are only getting one side of the story and especially since there is very little in the way of important and specific details.
@@infinityseven5924 - Agreed; there is a lot of missing context. But even with the missing context, I would say the two 'adults' reacted poorly to the situation.
I'm not surprised though; I often deal with people reacting poorly to serious situations almost daily. Primary cause? Lack of communication, every time.
All else aside, I find it more than a little unsettling that several grown adults were so involved in the love lives of literal minors, that they know over the internet no less. I don't know the full situation of course, so I feel uncomfortable saying definitively who's in the wrong, but that seemed like it could all too easily become an unsafe situation for the minors and was already very emotionally damaging. It's very iffy, because the power balance in any relationship between adults and minors is heavily skewed, including adults' physical ability to more easily regulate their emotions and their larger amount of lived experience. Children experience a full range of emotions and have equal personhood to adults, but many adults seem to forget that. Even so, it's easier for a child to get confused by their emotions or struggle to understand them clearly, and in heated situations full of conflict, it's even more difficult. In addition society sets up the expectation that adults are authority figure that children must obey, and who have the right to discipline. When the adult takes responsibility to have the child's wellbeing as their utmost priority, it is critical for protecting the child and giving them the space to develop, learn, and grow. When an adult is acting only in their own interest, it can too easily lead to a child feeling like they must obey or defer to someone who absolutely does not care about helping them or keeping them safe, and adults automatically assuming that they have the right to use power over a child when they don't. Whenever adults 'ship' minors, it always rubs me the wrong way. Mainly because it is indicating that those adults are viewing those minors in a romantic or sexual light, even if the adult themselves is 'uninterested'. I really don't get the people who look at two babies or toddlers playing together and are like 'aw, they're in love, they're going to get married some day'. Or in a case like this, assuming it's impossible for older children to have platonic friends of differing genders and getting really bothered by it, like they have to force it to be true so they can punish or encourage it, and then get mad when it isn't.
This is literally a witch hunt
It was 100% a witch hunt!
God forbid and boy and a girl be friends and interact with each other in a normal friend way. 🤦♀ The "adults" didn't belong in any discussion relating to two kids dating, even if they had been dating, that's just gross for them to try and get in the middle of that.
Yeah those two “adults” were overly invested for sure. I don’t get why they couldn’t let things be.
Even if they were dating, why would it matter? Demanding answers from some underage folks about their personal life is so fuckin creepy under any circumstance.
And honestly? The vibe i get is that Bard shared some feelings he was keeping private from Writer because he knew she wasnt interested and liked their friendship. In which case, going after her like that in a way he clearly didnt want to is even worse! Its such a huge violation of his privacy and their friendship.
My situation its not even close but somewhat similar, people dont understand that u can be closer to someone without being atraccted to her or him.
Could i have a friendship that i enjoy spending time with without having someone saying things that they dont even know?
They are very good friends and i keep playing with them but sometimes they're annoying.
Good vid 🙂 i enjoyed it as always.
Glad you liked the video! Yeah people sometimes read too much into friendships and if both people like how things are then it’s the other people projecting their own insecurity.
I love when two adult men get jealous of two minors being friends, like they wanted a chance with the underage girl or something?? Who was lesbian???
Your life is pretty clearly better off without those two creepy manipulative old dudes around
Who was in the wrong here? The Writer, The Bard, The Cleric & Gunslinger, or Everyone?
Everyone a little bit but I think it's mostly Clerics and Gunslingers fault.
I am hard-pressed to put any blame on the Writer. The Cleric and Gunslinger were totally out of line. I'm also perplexed to see that the DM was nowhere to be found to try and defuse the situation.
@@SolidSprinkles Yeah, it seems like the DM besides putting Discord in slow-mode once or twice didn't really defuse much. The Blood Hunter tried to step in a little bit as a fellow player, but he doesn't have the same authority as a DM would in that same scenario.
All of this drama because of a quote chat wich was supposed to be a joke. Damn man.
Cleric and gunslinger
Oh, this is easy. Somebody was jealous over somebody. I'm guessing gunslinger and/or cleric had an inappropriate interest in OP and were angry that OP and bard were so close.
So uncomfy lol. Watched all the way to the end. My god the cleric and gunslinger are completely asses and I would not be surprised if they were the actual predatory ones here that they are trying to accuse the poor UNDERAGE CHILD of being. It seems to have continuously been denied and the op’s actual identification being invalidated. I would not be surprised if they were just getting frustrated that they could not groom her because her actual friend was the one she was hanging out with. My god. There is definitely a lot that can be read between the lines here that op seems to be unaware of. I really hope she doesn’t have to deal with people like cleric and gunslinger ever again.
Yeah, I’m glad they are out of this situation. I hope her and Bard are friends and enjoying their much healthier D&D campaign!
Idk how i feel about "for all intentions and purposes we are all minors" what does that mean? Are you 16? 17? 18? 12? Thats such a weird way to put it and to me comes off as already trying to show themselves as the good guys and the adult as the "crazy adult yelling at kids"
That's where I'm at. Like this story doesn't make a lot of sense to begin with yet it's seems to be in the lens of "we children so we good guys even if we do wrong. Them old people so creepy and bad cuz we got yelled at." I get the whole nature of the story but it comes off like a bad fanfic using some real details while obfuscating the other facts for context.
Really just turned it into "Damned if you do, damned if you don't." Deny, and it's true. Confirm, and it's true. Why obsess over someone else's relationships?
I love the fact that what appears to be the biggest problem player (IMO the blood hunter, because he brings personal tensions to the table) was the biggest supporter. Op and bard are safe as they may have made a misunderstanding but their relationships are none of anyone else’s business. Even if someone is your childhood best friend they have no say in who you date, they do have a right as your friend to voice their opinion but not to choose for you. The only power cleric and gunslinger had was to watch over you two and either cheer you on or voice their concerns, they should have never tried that intervention like VC. While it is possible for a lesbian to discover their bi and for someone to move on from their ex, unless you are that individual you don’t get to have a vote on how they feel. The very fact you could shut the gunslinger down so easily is proof they were sticking their nose where it don’t belong.
I always enjoy storys like this. Thanks for bringing them here to UA-cam where more people can see them.
Thank you! I feel like reading these gives me a chance to improve my own communication and problem-solving skills when I play D&D and hopefully helps others navigate these kinds of situations too!.
Those two assholes weren't there to help anyone, they were just there to put two kids down for having fun.
Why were these adults so triggered and interested in a potential relationship between minors, whether it was romantic or not? That comes off as creepy to me, the adults are the a-holes, not the author or bard.
The response is so unhinged. It doesnt sound like they were flirting to begin with. And even if they were dating its nobody's business.
I think part of this story is missing, because their reactions were extreme, especially for what amounts to some back and forth joking text chat. Even if they are still in the wrong, I imagine there is missing context that elaborates their side of the situation, at least enough to where it would make sense.
maybe they (the adults) gaslit themselves in their own private convos they were most likely having
Based on the information provided, Bard did have a crush on her or was joking and Cleric and/or Gunslinger took it too seriously. As you said, unless there's some other information we didn't get, Cleric and Gunslinger are in the wrong.
A true "adult" should act as a "peacemaker", not cause strife within the group. While causing mischief & mayhem in game is acceptable, causing it out of game isn't. If someone is giving other members of the group "the creeps" or bullying them while not in game, they should be booted from the group.
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I’m glad you are enjoying the content!
Is that Griffith in the thumb nail
Subtle foreshadowing. I think the cleric might be in the wrong.
Obviously cleric and gunslinger were completely in the wrong, but I do think that bard may have had a crush on writer which complicated the story. Unless cleric and gunslinger were completely and utterly delusional, which is possible but personally I don't buy.
Even with all that said, even if they had a complicated and messy budding relationship that writer denied, so what? They were both minors, so it's not like they were deliberately trying to be child molesters. The only grooming I'm seeing is the childish adults trying to apparently gaslight the two of them into believing something that wasn't gonna happen.
If this is real we all know who’s the a-hole. A simple thought that has come to my mind is that “for someone who claims to have not remembered a whole lot they sure do remember a lot”. Simple chat in the discord is something that could easily could be looked back upon but voice chats not so much. So either they looked back at the discord and begun to remember or they’re being disengenuous about something. That could be either about them not remembering much, something about the story, or I could just be missing something.
Not really sure how the OP can think they might be the jerk in this situation, which makes me wonder if we're missing some details.
Regardless, the homophobia on display tells me already who the main bad guy is. Regardless of whether or not anyone else is a jerk.
Not only do I side with OP and Bard, I think that Gunslinger and Cleric are lying about what Bard talked to them about. In fact, there's a part of me that's getting toxic white knight vibes from Gunslinger; especially since Gunslinger was specifically trying to drive a wedge between OP and Bard and was in denial of the fact that OP was a lesbian. He wanted to feel like he was saving OP from an abusive relationship, so that he would be entitled to a relationship with OP; and when that didn't work because of, well, the obvious reason, he switched tactics and started attacking OP.
11:30 I'm straight and I thought that was just a funny joke.
The "Step-Bro" joke also feels like a joke, with no real attachment to why it became a meme in the first place (separate art from artist). Though it also might just be that I'm used to being around people who are more than straight to the point I see where the line between friendships and lovers is drawn. (My friends do call me love Guru for some reason)
But those two were definitely in the wrong. They're adults assuming children were dating, omitting the information that one of them was gay. Made only worse that they blew the entire thing the f*ck up with their own BS when both "victims" said, "That's not what happened!" (And seriously? Using a fake voice recording of a confession that never happened? Yeah no, those two were creeps that failed to keep a relationship so they never wanted to be witness to other relationships)
Different personality types coupled with the immaturity while simultaneously having an undeserved sense of life experience from a group of minors and young adults points to everyone being at fault.
I do find it’s funny that the young adults probably were like college age students roasting upper class high schoolers that they are much more mature then them.
@Loot Goblin: D&D Stories & GreenText are they though? I've never played over the net but I'd imagine spamming unrelated comments or quoting would get old real fast. Shut up and pay attention to the game
If I spam and you, in turn, accuse me of being an abuser, we're seeing eachother irl for the first time either at your door with a couple of my friends or in court
@@seekingfurtherlight34 The quotes were out of game. Also, you can mute any chat in discord to receive no notifications.
Damn. Pretty sure I was Goliath in this lol
Some level of jealousy? A huge amount of it.
Yeah, a huge amount honestly 😅
Cleric and gunslinger were both just jelly
I’m thinking this might be the case of why something got this out of hand when nothing appeared to be going on.
Not them weaponizing therapy speak to try and manipulate two kids into not talking to each other. Those men are for sure creeps and just not giving full details into why they are actually upset with them interacting.
i hate ppl like cleric and gunslinger who are always on the hunt to blame and accuse someone.
Is asked what behavior is disliked, pretends it was all a joke and there is no behavior they dislike. Is surprised when behavior continues. For that reason alone they are the problems, and then there is all of the other things they did wrong.
I’m of the belief that adults hanging out with children is a bad idea. Both for the child, and especially for the adult in these days, accusations of grooming, online are very serious and nothing to mess around with. In real life, accusations of being a paedophile or something you need to take very seriously if you’re a guy, I don’t allow anybody below the age of 18 in my games for that pacific reason it’s best for everybody for adults to be with adults and children to be with children.
12:07 Honestly? I don't think it matters. If those two felt left out by the OP and Bard's friendship, they should've just said so like mature adults.
Any time someone else external to a relationship (whatever that relationship may be) makes assumptions about said relationship, they are automatically the ass hole.
If you assume these friends are dating: Asshole.
If you assume a dating couple are on the rocks: Asshole.
If you assume that a couple aren't right for one another: Asshole.
It's none of your business. Now obviously if the relationship is abusive, then an intervention may be necessary, but if you assume there is abuse when there is little to no evidence for it: Asshole!
The older dudes were mad corny it's not your business leave them kids alone
My gut tells me this is only half the story, but I wouldn't be able to tell why.
Cleric/Gunslinger both remind me of the guy that was with some chance unironically collecting "excuses" (e.g. all getaways he heard for being a creep) from girls that turned him down 💀
First part, nunya. Second part, business. Those adults might be chronologically older, but they sure as hell weren't mature.They were acting like two people chatting on a semi-private channel is somehow a crime.
The best possible interpretations for Gunslinger and Cleric: 1) the OP is leaving out facts that would explain more in-depth their issue ( _entirely possible since she clearly needed to keep her privacy_ ) or 2) They simply don't understand that the love that you have for a friend isn't necessarily the kind you would have for a family member, romantic partner or lover.
But honestly, I agree with the consensus that this was either some weird gaslighting effort to potentially isolate and groom Bard, or these two are projecting some major levels of confused incel/white knight delusion.
"I see what's happening here! You stabbed that man!"
"I... I don't have arms..."
"Excuses excuses!"
That's what this feels like to me
Dude said stop quoting, it's making me uncomfortable. She said, i'm not couldn't stop quoting, but let me know so I can stop cooling and then kept quoting what is going on
?! Definitely NTA. I don't even know how someone could think Writer was TA other than maybe spamming the quotes section a little too much.
Im autistic and I got annoyed when my phone was spammed in a group chat my family had while I was at work. I cane off more harsh than I thought...so if it was a spamming thing, that mightve been annoying. Also, young people can be annoying for adults (have also been on that end of something). I dont think the dating thing was the big problem....I could be wrong though.
Edit: just out of personal preference, a minor has to be pretty mature for me to have the patience to play with them
Absolute creepy shenanigans is all I can say. Lots of weird stuff in this one
Yeah super weird. Almost like it’s missing something.
I feel like this could have been entirely avoided if they made a private quotes channel after the first complaint
If only Cleric didn't lie by pretending they were joking yet demanding change.
Honestly whenever i'm dealing with someone who is not an adult, They get a lot of leeway for just silly drama and petty things because kids are kids and if you treat them respectfully and don't harass them they can learn to model better behavior.
I don't really understand what the harm would be even if she and bard were flirting or anything? I'm just really confused about why it would have been a problem if they were just shy about being into each other or even if bard had tried to play it off because he was embarrassed that he didn't realize she wasn't into guys at ALL. I would still shrug it off because he's not an adult. Everyone has potential to be silly or annoying, regardless of age. GS and Cleric sound like a couple of man children who cannot handle themselves around actual children. What a couple of wierdos, and it's creepy how much they cared about being right
Tbh, I feel like OP isn't telling the full story here. With the way they talk in the first half, I can definitely see them as being *that* type of person and it being them who kicked off the whole drama.
Cleric and gunslinger were definitely in the wrong
I agree 100%!
Now what I’m trying to figure out is…
What did Gunslinger and Cleric… WANT THEM TO SAY?
12:10 i feel like they were reading WAAAY to much into the jokes!
A bit late, but I’ve experienced some of the issues this girl had with Bard. I’m straight, but I hang out with one of my close friends, a guy, on a frequent basis. Despite the fact that he has a girlfriend, a concerning number of people assume we’re a gay couple, in semi-rural Texas, so I can definitely see the others thinking OP was in a heteronormative relationship despite being lesbian
I think that OP and Bard should have taken the hint and left the group sooner.
DM could also have been more active in stopping this. Perhaps even kicked out the trouble makers/bullies.
Honestly based on what was shown their quotes/posts are really innocent at least compared to my group’s. Like we have jokes about goblin genocide and seducing dragons/bar maids/magic talking trees (all directed at our bard) and other unintentionally hilarious/edgy things people have said. Heck we even have some of those “flirtatious comments” between members, while we are a mixed party (which is to say we have multiple sexualities/genders/races/etc) it’s all in good fun, and there’s only been a few instances of people being genuinely offended/mistaking it for how we actually feel about something.
I’ve not finished the video yet, but how I see this is the other team problem, players or in the wrong and they using Bing manipulating👿👿
I’m further review, I hate the gunslinger and I think it’s manipulation what he’s doing emotional manipulation
Yeah it seemed super manipulating
Ah sweet. A second story about gaslighting after the first one I listened to you cover.
I couldn’t ever imagine how anyone would assume this is OPs fault. Also if you’re an adult and argue with a 15 y/o you’re so weird
I think its important to point out that we dont know the "adults" actual ages here. Yes, they may be over 18, abd they may no longer be in Highschool, but many, if not most, 18 or 19 year olds i know are still high school kids realsimply think they are not anymore. This entire situation sounds like highschool drama in which i wouldnt call anyone an asshole because they are all children, or close enough. I know when i was that age i thought myself adult and mature, and i was not, and i challenge anyone over tha age of 30, or even 25, to look back at their 18-20 year old self and consider that person mature.
Based on the story presented to us...
OP is not even close to being in the wrong. I can't understand why anybody (other than OP, because she's being gaslit by Gunslinger and Cleric into believing otherwise) would remotely think that OP is in the wrong. Honestly, the whole situation is gross and uncomfortable... and honestly, anyone who blames OP (based on what has been presented here) is someone I think needs to be investigated by their local police because that just screams to me that they're almost certainly an abusive POS who has probably done some really f-ed up and illegal things to others. Is that presumptuous on my part? Yeah, definitely. Doesn't change the fact I do not, can not, and will not trust anyone who defends abusing a child for a perceived relationship with another child and then justifies that abuse with the argument "You being a lesbian is just an excuse."
Enjoyed the video greatly
Thank you, it was an interesting read.
I think the a hole in this situation are the self proclaimed mature adults... Trying to wrap my brain around their exact goal... I can't think of anything other then like you express jealousy.
Bizarre infantile ‘adults’ showing how childish they are.
I mean if they were "spam flirting" that would be annoying but from what op posted i didnt see that as flirting. Also why are grown adults obsessing over if kids are dating? That's honestly really weird.
Cleric and Gunslinger are definitely 100% in the wrong - so much so that I'm surprised they weren't booted after the second incident. Even if writer and Bard were in a relationship, it's not Cleric and Gunslinger's business. And Cleric taking issue with "quote flirting" (which I can't even see how that would be considered flirting) is Cleric's problem, not the writer's. Not only that, but Gunslinger and Cleric claiming that "writer just claimed to be a Lesbian as an excuse" is blatant homophobia. And seriously? Arguing that defending one's self makes you suspicious? What is this, the early Medieval period?
Cleric and Gunslinger are the kind of people that almost make me want to support the human extinction movement. They're scum, absolute wastes of organic matter. Especially Gunslinger, who fucking decided to pursue things further instead of just washing their hands of it. Being an adult and being mature are two different things.
The only mistake writer made here was even engaging with Gunslinger after Gunslinger tried to restart things. She should have just blocked Gunslinger's ass right then and there.
Bard might have been a bit of a secret admirer of writer, but if anything it seems like he had already come to terms with it being a pipe dream.
Kinda hard to say for sure, I feel like she's leaving out what her and bard were saying for I reason. I mean we all know at that age a lot of things you find as jokes and cannot possibly be misconstrued are probably dirty, and 2 adults seeing/hearing that between minors might make them a bit uncomfortable playing a game with them. EVEN IF that does not excuse their behavior, and fuck I knew a sophomore who dated a 8th grader, and it only seemed weird as a kid.
I think Gunslinger and Cleric are in the wrong. They misunderstood what was going on between OP and Bard and rather than asking for clarification or ignoring it or whatever, they jumped to conclusions and refused to back down to the point of doubling down on their accusations.
GRIFFITH!!!!!
Watching this a bit late, but I agree the cleric and gunslinger are in the wrong here, given the information provided. It's pretty shameful for two adults to make up some fantasy about two minors and then berate them for it.
Feels like this story is missing something or the two causing this ruckus felt uncomfortable about two minors in their group in the end and it ended up being weird mess of projections.
Yeah it feels like there is something missing? But it really could be as simple as projection making things blown out of proportion.
Before I listen or read the comments, I’m going to place my bet on the Cleric!
Called it!
You called it!
In no universe are the gunslinger and cleric in the right
gunslinger and cleric had a thing for the OP i bet my money on it. seen this type of BS before
I feel like if two people are cracking jokes with each other leave em alone, it's not affecting the game or the party so.....yea I don't get it
Claric and gunslinger are completely in the wrong
I agree 100%!
In my opinion, Cleric and gunslinger really had NO business being as hostile as they were. Only thing I can take from it is that they had probably not been easily able to make a connection with Bard before and they were angry that someone was able to do so quickly. That is in no way defending them, but is a possible explanation as a partial outsider to the situation. A am a bit upset that the Blood Hunter didn't try to remain friends with the two, BUUUT I can probably assume they just wanted to leave it at that with it staying on a potentially neutral or good note depending on how it ended after the comforting. All in all, Bard/OP 10/10 you both did right there. Blood hunter and DM. A bit of a 7 there on possible correct things, but I'm not shaming you there. Cleric and gunslinger -10. Being adults doesn't mean you're right. I'm an adult and I KNOW I am wrong like 40% of the time. It could be possible I'm wrong here. But you know what, I don't mind that. I will to my death bed support the two friends that just wanted to be friends.
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Edit: Anyway giving my personal opinion on the matter, i believe the two problem players were simply so full of love life insecurites they just couldn't deal with hearing or even seeing anyone else have any potential love life. For the write, i don't blame them for the way acted as they were simply confused and unaware. I wouldn't act the same way but i can see why they acted the way they did, especially with the fact even i myself, who has made a whooping amount
Ps: No i'm not single, it worked eventually. Remember boys, everyone can get a love life partner with enough determination and low enough standards.
Edit2: OKAY SCRAP ALL THAT, THOSE GUYS ARE JUST INSECURE AS #### HOLY #### I THINK I BECAME CHRISTIAN AGAIN.
Yeah, I definitely agree that the two problem players likely overanalyzed things because the Writer did make it seem like it was pretty standard stuff. I have had many friends on Discord that I would chat with daily and send custom memes to related to whatever game we were playing. We even had a quotes channel and the "quoting back and forth" thing happens often enough. The two who did it the most in my party were by no means dating each other.
I'm glad things worked out for you eventually!
@@lootgoblinmarketplace Thanks man, i really had to pull off some Jimmy Neutron pick up lines and induendo crafting brain power time.
you know when you got griffith in the thumbnail shits fucked
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Children should never be in a game with adults unless they are family. This whole table is red flags.
Trying to get people on your side by calling yourself a child instead of a teenager creates a huge difference in the storytelling, especially when you call someone whos 18 a full ass adult like huh? Just say you were 14 and he was 16 turning 17. The quoting between the two of them was cringy though. They should of just messaged each other in a separate chat because everyone in that chat was getting notifications and it was probably annoying. But thats discord chat for ya
I think cleric and gunslinger liked op and were jealous even though they were not dating and they though wanted her to be faking lesbien because they liked her
Teenagers are not children, they are adolescents.
OP and Bard were probably occasionally irritating with all their chit chat and shitposting.
But, that does not excuse the behaviour of the (young) adults.
My whole question here is: wtf do a bunch of grown men care what two kids are doing in their romantic life? 🚩