Any and every real problem will get in your way. You'll just learn to talk around it and past it off to other people who actually know how to do real things.
Writing not only teaches thinking, but also efficient communication. I went through high school getting really good grades, but needing extra time for every subject (except for the logical ones like mathematics and physics) because it took me so damn long to articulate my answers. Because I never really got a grip of that skill, it still affects me today - particularly in how long it takes me to put a thought into spoken words. It's like my mouth can't keep up with my mind, which very often results in a stutter or repeatedly attempting to rephrase statements in more effective way. On a social level, it means I am hesitant to share my thoughts, because I struggle to articulate it so that other people can interpret what I am saying as the same concept in my understanding. It makes me wonder how many great ideas are never realised simply because the people who come up with them don't know how to communicate them properly.
@@pitamberchounal9198 It is still a work in progress. It has improved a lot over time as I have gained confidence and shed some of the social anxiety from my teens. I still find myself holding back on sharing my thoughts when I don't think I will be able to deliver it efficiently. The one thing that has really helped with expressing more complex ideas and opinions is taking the time to articulate them to myself when I am alone (yeah I talk to myself sometimes :p). It allows me to figure out effective ways of phrasing them before hand, as well as let's me actually analyse how I feel about more controversial topics by putting it to words. Also I guess if you focus on phrasing ideas in your head before saying them, you will be able to speed up the process with practice. I am lucky that my sister and my best mate have the same problem, so we know how to be patient with one another. If you can surround yourself with supportive people with whom you really click, it makes it much easier to practice articulating yourself with no fear of judgement.
@@destondauncey9884 sounds like dyslexia. I too struggle the same way. Couldn't figure out what the problem was until me dad was tested and diagnosed with dyslexia. When he told me, the light bulb came on, and i thought, "that explains alot".
In college my favorite class was my hardest class (STEM classes notwithstanding). Roman Empire with Prof. Burkholder. The first essay I wrote for that class I thought was the best essay I'd ever written (and it was), and I thought it was going to blow him away. I got a C- on that paper. For the rest of the semester, I struggled up the ladder B-, B, B+, then finally an A- on my last essay. No one gets an A of any sort in Burkholder's classes. That essay is to me a much greater mark of pride than my degree. My degree is in a file cabinet somewhere, waiting to be scanned/copied for administrative purposes, whereas all my Roman Empire essays are in my desk and I look them over every six months or so just to review them; to remember the struggle and the writing lessons learned.
It really is. Reminds me of my father that always claims he wants his children to be better than hisself yet now seems afraid that his own creation is able to pick apart his very being better than he could ever understand himself, i only approach him with calmness and coherence and the self defense mechanism ingrained in people as such is to act as if the person propogating productive conversation about ways their behaviour can change, is demeaning and insulting them.
John Jones I think people have identified so closely with their behaviors and habits that any criticism or evaluation is deemed a personal attack, which leads to a lot of unconscious reactions. Arrogance, at least in this case, is the obstacle that keeps one from evolution and growth. Parents, I feel, may have the hardest time accepting that their children have surpassed them, to the point of resentment (which is ironic since their hope is that the child does eventually pass them up).
Got him fired. And he is making a claim for power hierarchies. And failing to see how people would value other things than learning. But this was the former JBP. This new one is an entrepreneur.
A Christian arguing with an Athiest about god, tends to bring up bible verses, acts like both parties work off the same axioms. Similarily, Marxists love to argue with libertarians, by bringing up passages from Marx, acting like they both work off the same axioms. Had a guy tell me that all human conflict can be simplified down to class struggle. Asked bro for something to support this claim, and the guy just read off Marx like a fucking NPC, and refused to explain further. Also had a guy make a shit ton of normative statements abt the economy, and then pretend thats somehow proof that Capitalism is flawed? Like they guy litterally tried arguing that a Marxist system would achieve a 100% efficiency, and refused to elaborate further. The only discipline in human history where you dont have to worry about axiomatic differences, is fucking science lmfao. Marxists treat their ideology as a science, mostly out of ignorance. If they had to think further about their ideology instead of just blindly trusting it like some bootlicker, they would have a more nuanced stance of the economy.
@@justanothernick3984well then you tell me, what other values are there in a classroom environment than learning, under which there is direct retrieval of information from the professor and collective learning? Huh? Is it sharing preferred pronouns? Sexual identities?
I like how people who post portions of his videos always give a link to the source video. Somehow being his fan and being a decent person seem to go well together.
@@abner20bushi I don't think so, but then I'm a lazy, evil, mediocre, arrogant, ignorant, egoistic villain who laughs at naive assumptions by internet people who like to call themselves decent because they like the short videos of an academic who dislikes new media addiction and the current academia at the same time. I bet half of his fans watch pornography, lie on a daily basis, don't clean their room, fail at actually supporting people in need and hate on so called SJWs because these guys defend people from racism, sexism or classism. That said, I still believe you can learn from him. But his fans are an amorphous mass of troubled people, not necessarily decent folk. And decent folk don't necessarily care about him, says me, the villain.
The pen is mightier than the sword. But unfortunately contemporary academia rewards students that are good at reciting the instructor rather than evaluating the arguments that students themselves have formulated.
Razear writing is good for your critical thinking, sure. Also the habit of questioning everything you say after you've said it - especially if you really believe it, have any strong feelings about the subject, or start the sentence with "I just think that..." (In the UK people do this when they're about to repeat an article of faith)
careful what u call learning. If it feels good, sounds right, resonates with you, it may not be learning. Just some meme. JP is full of stuff like that without good basis. He's a guru. Don't fall for it.
The only way to learn something is by making mistakes. If Jordan has shown you where you've committed mistakes and you take action to not make the same mistakes then you learned something. That's why it is so hard for an expert to become even better, at one point you stop making mistakes.
Some of the most helpful advice of my life came from my Grandfather. He once told me that school wasn't actually meant to teach you what you need to know in life, beyond giving you a foundation to build on. School is actually meant to teach you HOW to learn. I never properly understood it while I was in school, but I eventually saw how powerful knowledge can actually be, and that all of the best knowledge has been found in my own pursuits, not in a classroom.
- Understand the connections between ideas - Identify, construct, and evaluate arguments - Detect inconsistencies and mistakes in reasoning - Solve problems systematically identify - The relevance and importance of idea I read from book ;)
Be CRITICAL towards your own ideas, don't believe what you want to due to your own selfish tacit bias, attack yourself, be your own opposing team in every aspect, the easiest person to fool will always be yourself.
It's funny because I know all of these things by intuition, but putting it down on a list like this is very weird and only seems like... if I had to pay attention to this list, it'd just unnecessarily make the process more of a headache. Nothing beats intuition.. Or whatever it is. You have to understand what's going on. You can't follow any rules-list for that. You have to pay attention. Like the eye at the top of the pyramid.
@@GrubKiller436 If you don't understand exactly how a system was formed, and how it works, how can you critique it? My method consist of dissecting the idea/concept, beyond of it's foundations, and you are right, intuition is a good thing, but every explication is given, how can we create something new, if we always follow blindly the same foundation, the same explanation of others, does our own experience doesn't matter anymore? They tell us to read so much until we read ourselves into stupidness, like Schopenhauer said, and some philosophers like Nietzsche argues that, there is not such thing as foundations, because a foundation never justify it's self, but rather it uses justification, that is obtained through self-evident things, to justify the use of power on others.
You said it way better than the man in the video. This is the best definition of critical thinking that I know. He said nothing solid regarding critical thinking
Hints for essay or narrative writing can be found here: jordanbpeterson.com/docs/430_docs/Template.docx (from jordanbpeterson.com) Sorry for missing 2 days in a row, I am having internet problems and I brought my PC to a friend to keep the site updated and answer messages. My ISP says it will be fixed by tomorrow, I hope that's true!
MATH The other good way to learn critical thinking is to know math. The problem solving skills developed with advanced math courses not only provides the tools, but the ability to think deeply in other cognitive areas. Math combined with good writing skills is even deadlier, than good writing skills alone.
David Sanderson Nothing will teach you to think critically if you don't try to think & understand. You need strong analytical skills to understand math concepts.
@Julián Rodríguez also math helps practice the skill of remembering what tools and knowledge you have at your disposal, and discerning wich tools can be used to solve problems. There are problems. and there are solucions. what's left is figuring how to link them
You're going to get irritating replies when you say stuff like this because most people who haven't done advanced math don't know about the proof writing aspect of it. They think you're just crunching a bunch of numbers and don't know that you're constructing arguments in the context of math. So you're gonna get ignorant push back on this.
I am so thankful that you opened with that. As a certified English teacher almost 20 years ago, I was at a job interview and told the administators my goal was to teach children critical reading, thinking and writing skills. I was laughed at and told I was supposed to say I would teach to the test. That was the year Common Core was implemented, after a large buyout was offered to seasoned teachers who probably knew better. Parents, public schools are not interested in making your children critical thinkers. That needs to be our job. It was a goal I made in raising my kids.
@oophelia46 - this is why I am so thankful that I took them out of the public schools and started homeschooling, not a teacher myself but a lot of self directed learning and I had zero support from my dad, my husband's family, I felt a huge load on my shoulders but I didn't want them back in school. Fastforward to today and they are in a great college level English class while finishing high school at a great school for former homeschool students. I am so thankful that I didn't let fear dictate my choice.
I fell in love with the way this man articulates himself, that every sentence flows into the other. One day I wish to be able to speak as he does to interpret the construct of thinking the way he does.
Dr. Jordan is EXACTLY RIGHT! I write for a living (I write organizational histories). Several years ago I thought that my writing skills could benefit from an exploration of critical thinking. After all, I reasoned, writing fully illustrates how you're thinking. Therefore, if I'm a better thinker, I automatically become a better writer. Besides, although I had an idea of what Critical Thinking was, I couldn't really articulate it, so I wasn't sure I even knew what it was. So I dove into this topic, a topic that has consumed a large part of my life. I have been and still am fascinated by it. One of the first things I discovered is that I was already a critical thinker in large measure as a result of my writing. What I really lacked was the vocabulary for what I was doing. I lacked a conceptual framework for thinking and reasoning. I lacked a disciplined way to analyze and improve upon thinking (either my own or someone else's). All of that is very valuable--but I had already acquired the skills (though I had no names for those skills) through writing itself. I wish I would have had training in critical thinking earlier in my life, it could have actually made me a better writer much faster, but it's a chicken and egg question now. Writing IS thinking. Trying to improve upon that writing--that's adding criticality. That all by itself makes you a practicing critical thinker.
I haven't written anything in 4 years. Recently I've been unsatisfied with my level of intellectual competence. Recently my professor told me that my class is going to write an essay a week for the next 6 months. And then this video shows up in my feed. Honestly, too many synchronicities are happening in my life to not believe in God. I feel so grateful for channels like this. Bless you
4 years searching for this answer and I find it not from my university but from a youtube video from a man far more intelligent than anyone on our faculty.
@@naveed210 , Of course, it's going to be harder to grade a badly written paper ,if you have to decipher the meaning, wade through bad spelling, syntax, grammar, poorly articulated ideas etc before you get to the plot/content . You sound a little hypocritical saying it sounds utterly F ing stupid!, then accusing him of whipping himself up. It's a straight forward comment if you are not bogged down by bad writing technique, you can focus on the content better. He never said that you wouldn't need to do any writing technique corrections at all, just less. You misinterpreted his comment. Ironically I'm only responding to your comment because of your emotive response.
Peterson could not be speaking any more truth here!! As a university instructor myself I can tell you with absolute certainty marking an essay that is poorly written is one of the most difficult tasks you can have in academics. While on the flip side of this, marking an essay that is very well written is an incredibly pleasurable experience. If I could have the majority of my students writing well, my life and my job would be 100 times easier.
Honesty I never knew why we read and write growing up. I know that we do these things to understand the language but other than that I didn't care much about reading or writing. It was not until I got kicked out of college that I started to understand that reading helps you think, organize, and connect your thoughts in a way that help other people understand what you are saying. When you read great writers, you start to understand how to write better.
Hi bro, If you literally say to God that you have a gratitude towards Jordan Peterson and not just a mere expression then your expression is good in God's eyes. The name of God should be respected in the most high because it is the name of the King of kings. The name of God should only use in prayer and teaching the knowledge of God. I really say this to you because God really loves you and God doesn't want you to be far from him. He does not want you to go in neverending darkness. I hope you read and understand this deeply from the beginning and to this very end. May our Lord Jesus Christ lives in your heart and mind.
how ironic. a man whose defense of religion is utterly ridiculous and laughable devoid of critical thinking, telling other people to use critical thinking...
He never made claims about religious phenomena , he only made analogies about how we tend to perceive things, how religious stories have psychological information that has to be extracted...
I think I have to agree with him. I'm in my second semester of a 2 year masters of teaching and after submitting 3 batches of essays I'm starting to get the hang of it. It's like my brain just caught on fire. I'm seeing connections EVERYWHERE! I started writing essays on the side, not for any assignment, just to articulate my thoughts.
@CanUDraw I would say so, of course a lot of it could just come with age and experience. Keep in mind there are many different kinds of thinking, with critical thinking being just one (although it underpins most others). I still make plenty of mistakes in the moment when my higher order thinking isn't engaged, of course, but overall I feel my brain is getting better trained at picking up on and analysing details. In any case, practicing through writing can't do any harm to one's thinking skills. Give it a go if you have the time.
Writing is good. It's like we are communicating with ourselves. Writing is not only about words but also about what is in our hearts like what we want.
Deadset no one has ever told me why I should write, and what advantages & empowerment it enables in you. And I've been in STEM fields at uni for 3 years...
If you want to learn to think and be a good problem solver, learn to program computers. Far superior to taking a writing class. This country needs critical thinkers.
@@mattmarkus4868 I actually study genetics but I'm a web developer in Laravel & Vue on the side, I agree the critical thinking, and creative problem solving are so invaluable.
Akemedis yep, if our politicians were engineers libertarianism would be dead. They’d actually solve problems and you’d be a fool to be anti-government. But... they are the furthest thing from engineers. And yet they speak and write very well. So I am against building careers around words and am much more in favor of actual problem solving.
Matt Markus I don’t think politicians speak well at all. Most of what they say is moronic and logically fallacious. If you’re a good critical thinker you can tear most of their arguments apart in seconds. What politicians are really good at is rhetoric and witty sounding catch phrases that appeal to the lowest common denominator of people.
Nishe Siel Politicians are articulate as a group. They use worlds to get and keep their positions. Call it whatever you want “rhetoric” bla bla. I call it speaking well, not thinking well. I said nothing about them making good arguments. Speaking well means giving speeches, being able to think on your feet, to artfully doge questions or move things in a direction or have them framed in a better way. I say speak well. Because as a group, they do. They’re all lawyers for god sake, you fool.
I remember my mother telling me, “when you write things down, it registers in your brain.” It’s easy to memorize something when it’s laid down on paper,
Im always overthinking each situation to substantial degree. I've. Been writting my though and sentiments for a while now either in poetry or just as if comes and read it over to understand myself more. I've slowly began to improve my critical thinking and put it into words. The only thing I need to work on is speaking. I have social anxiety and an introvert. Which is why i'm currently looking for a job that i can practice socializing with other people...i'll be damned in my lion dies within the cage.
I was in your boat too many years ago. Im now successfully employed and hardly any social anxiety left. First, seek therapy, local support group and medication immediatley. Those 3 things will be invaluable to you as you work to achieve your goals. Second, Retail helped me immensely in the beginning. Teaches you confidence and the ability to small talk *chit chat* which is crucial for socialization. be honest with your employer and co workers about your illness, very important. With that foundation you can begin to network and start moving ahead. Good luck!
1:52 - thinking makes you act effectively in the world. - thinking makes you win the battles you undertake, and those battles could be for good things 2:19 - successful people argue well
Thinking, along with the ability to articulate your thoughts so that they are compelling and sensible to others, is the whole point of education. The pen is only mightier than the sword if the pen is wielded by someone who knows how to use it.
That’s true. Awesome. Also learning other languages, because then you’re exploring building blocks of another language with a learned conscience and switching between the two dialogoues. Not long into studying and the mind has already adapted an entirely new thought process. Learning other languages is super beneficial if you want to *remember how to think critically.* Musicians also know how the gift of songwriting impacts the thought process
If your students are stupid, they are not going to challenge you! Exactly! As a former writing instructor, this concept should be on a teacher's contract. I have had too many 'students' who told me (all the while pouting and feeling put upon) that they 'graduated' with an 'A' in English, and were therefore entitled to be the lazy-arsed and completely ineffective 'students' at university! I cursed the 'teachers' who passed them! I had 'students' in my writing classes (remedial) who could not think, articulate, or write anything coherent! Furthermore, they themselves were becoming 'teachers,' at which statements I internally rolled my eyes and prayed for a quick and merciful death! For these 'teachers' will pass on all of their own errors and careless habits. And so it goes ...
Elise Kuby - I did 4 years of teacher training in the 1970s and when I realised the (lack of) standard of my fellow 'teachers' to be, I lost heart that any of it was worthwhile. It was obvious that if I could only pass on a portion of what I knew on a topic, how much would be passed on by the next generation of teachers. The curriculum was obviously geared towards specific vocational and social goals even then, and wasn't interested in teaching kids how to be curious, to think for themselves or how to learn. At the age of 21, I predicted the real life version of the movie 'Idiocracy' almost 30 years prior! Why can't people see it now?
My Own Kind Of Man I hear you! I lost all faith in the 'educational' system myself! Being an autodidact, I made the erroneous assumption that all wanna-be teachers were like myself - curious, forever searching and assimilating exciting information - that they could pass on to equally curious and passionate people like themselves! Not so! The world has changed. It is all like a baked potato now - nothing to write home about unless there is some butter and bacon on the thing. Highly disappointing and - let's face it - lonely!
SURREY CROSSING That is the thing: you know that you are a good student (I knew my few good students) when your professors feel constantly challenged by you (as they should be) and when most of them dislike you. Also when your fellow students dislike you heartily. Although I should state here that the professors I received my awards from year after year enjoyed my being in their classes and told me so. The others - not so much!
Surrey Crossing You are correct! European education used to be vastly superior! I don't know what it is like now. You have to be a strongly motivated student to use the library as your main source. Not many students are self-motivated.
SURREY CROSSING I used to get Christmas cards from my Korean students (when I still taught in Korea) that ALWAYS mentioned how much they appreciated my 'zest' in teaching. It helps to be passionate about your subject and to show it! There is nothing worse than a teacher who proves that 'those who can, do, and those who can't, teach.'
I can't believe I went through my entire university career without ever hearing this. It might have been said, and I might have been mentally outside the classroom, but I don't recall ever hearing anything like this. This is absolutely key to learning. BTW I got good grades on my papers; how I don't know.
To know how to write you need to have a deep and clear thoughts flow with influential emotions can be felt by the reader backed up with sophisticated word play, you need to be versed and on top of the language you use to deliver your message
I like how his main point is simply trying to instill to people seeking an education the basis of why they should learn and be better in their areas of expertise in which they pursue. A really dedicated person to spread what should be basic common knowledge to academics
I have since found my voice since I was young. I feel like I know how to speak and think for the most part. I left college early, I live at my moms and im almost 30 but I feel unstoppable.
As an ESL teacher, I couldn't agree more. Most of my students are older than me, some even twice my age, and yet I sometimes feel like a 4th grade teacher. When time comes for practical lessons, i.e. conversation classes, they look at each other in anxiety and need lots of encouraging to form even simple sentences. Not because they lack knowledge of the English language, but because they don't have anything to say. They struggle to organize their thoughts and form opinions. And this is reflected on their writing as well. Most struggle to write short cohesive paragraphs, let alone entire essays. They make phrases that make no sense, regardless of what language their written on. I often say that, to learn English, you should also aim to become eloquent in your native language, and people stare at me in confusion...
Shaking my head. This is the epitome of "it's all academic." These people who have no practical skills or understanding outside their regurgitated words, actually believe the absurdity that language and thought are the same thing. Foolishness. I had thought Peterson was finally catching on to this fact. I guess not.
@@GrubKiller436 critical thinking is an aspect of thought. Reading, writing, and speaking are verbal language. Language and thought are NOT the same thing, but most all academics , particularly social scientists and humanities folks are blind Positivists and believe this. It is embedded in the academic culture. It is from the actual doing of practical and necessary things that reason, logic, critical thinking emerge, are developed, and honed. Not from talking and reading what other have written about others talking. Does that help? If it doesnt, go build useful things and you will learn.
@@JustMe-fb6sc I'm not going to argue for nor against you. There are just too many factors to take into consideration here and how they affect one another. Critical thinking can be influenced by reading & writing. Obviously not casual reading & writing alone. People are able to create understanding with language. It helps to think critically. Surely you cannot say that this is false.
I swear this guy drops so many truth bombs in casual conversation that they're the kind of quotes that will become legendary, and people will live their lives by in the future!!
I was introduced to Dr. Peterson in my final undergrad year. Gave me a total different perspective and I now understand better about what it takes to grow up. Thank you very much, bit-sized philosophy and Dr. Peterson.
I learned how to write by reading books, and then further refined it in my AP English class senior year of high school. I enjoyed analyzing and interpreting and coming up with my own ideas about the texts we read, and the books we chose ourselves. I learned more about myself as I wrote.
I'm currently on my Creative Writing course in college and I believe he is dead on point that learning how to write is necessary for critical thinking. It can be quite meddlesome and time consuming, and certainly at times even outright daunting, because of the learning aspect of how to be a good writer or the amount of things you have to know about literature and how to write about literature, is not only exhausting, it can take your joy from writing. But because of this I found meaning in justifying my suffering or my hardships. Because it is hard, therefore it becomes meaningful. It just goes to show that happiness is not the end goal in life. Yes, it is important that you pick a career that you enjoy or at least passionate about, but your hardships is what makes it meaningful. Not because you are happy with it. And these things that pressures you, that pushes you, that tells you to read more or to write more actually shapes your critical thinking.
Brilliant! ..... Dr. Peterson on the faults of higher (mis)education. I taught grad and undergrad classes in social work. Vast parts of a college education are actually prolonged rites of passage ending in a certificate. Some of my best students were mature adults who had lived lives of hard-knocks and who had ongoing problems of varied kinds. Some were battle tested Vietnam War vets. Some were mom's or dad's raising families. Academically, many were raw material not even 1/2 polished for competition with the more privileged younger students. I could tell stories all day about college level teaching and of some sociological aspects that were disturbing to me. Dr. PETERSON, YOU DA MAN!!!!
Wow...amazing. I have an 8th grade education and am a convicted felon. I've always had a strong vocabulary and the ability to innately spell, write and communicate in an effective manor. My education and background has never been an obstacle to financial success. Imagine what one can achieve when adding formal education and effort to the mix!
I don't agree with Mr Peterson on some of his more general views, but he absolutely nails it here. I'm learning German at the moment, already have 2 degrees and I'm just now realising how important it was to learn well-structured writing.
I'm a high school history teacher struggling with students with low reading and writing abilities. Many of them are english language learners, but many have also just been pushed through. Theres no consequences for failure in school. Unfortunately that's not how the real world works. I've made it my mission to teach them to read and write. Even though I teach history, I'd rather them learn a skill than the content. They can look up the history and I will use it as the medium we discuss, but man, writing and thinking are so important.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Lovely to have this intelligence spoken of in no uncertain terms. I've given up telling people to write and the benefits of it. Deadly clip.
Anyway we can get our hands on the writing template Dr.Peterson spoke about at the beginning. What a genius and may I say gracious way to help his students and himself by making a writing guide rather than taking all that time correcting.. In a world where people would rather punish others and themselves, this is a breathe of fresh air. Thank you Dr.Peterson
I study Computer Science, and my whole career has nothing to do with philosophy, but if i got a philosophy teacher like this in my Uni, i would just sign up for classes to just go there and listen to his beautiful words
That's interesting I'm 14 gonna be 15 in like 5 months and I'm actually deciding on going to college for computer science/AI Intelligence or get a degree in philosophy...I like philosophy I'd like to have proffessors like the guy in the video
The simple answer is read more books and the main field or subject that causes critical thinking is philosophy because philosophy is the study of logic! Until you can truly understand the concept of knowing thyself you sincerely wont be able to comprehend just about everyone else
Well, if your only interest is in words and language, then yes. Logic, math, semiotics, and philosophy. The rest is gibberish. But if you want to be really sharp and critical, learn how to design, construct, and build useful things.
Ding ding. This is the correct answer! Western Analytic Philosophy is the root of all Western thought and culture-and undergirds every other discipline.
Thank you so much Sir for this valuable information. I was never serious in studies and thought my memory was bad and could not remember what I studied for many hours. But now I realised the importance of writing the important points down so that learning will be successful.
When I was child 7 - 10 years old I like to write, to speak. I can write essays easily and I love to speak my mind. Until my Dad said Math is better than writing essays, I need to excel my math, than I stop writing, calculating things is easier,but somehow I lost ability to explain well to others. Well it's time to claim my ability back.. Thank you Sir
Do it! And more important, we view writing as a compliment to reading, not separate from it. Teachers make this mistake of separating reading and writing and then telling students you can't write unless you read. Well, students like me struggled to read. Parents thought I was lazy. Teachers couldn't pin it down. It's hard to enjoy reading when you can't read and you can't learn to read unless you read. Writing is the way you break out of that Catch 22. They now they read their own words. They start to correct them and it creates sentence structure. And before you know it, that student picks up Shakespear and realizes he understands it.
I have never read nor write anything except the bare minimum. But on the other hand I was perceived as a math prodigy by teachers. Reading what you’ve just said really reminded that, I was never able to put thoughts into words until I was years into Jordan Peterson’s materials. In some ways it seems like I lived in a world of symbols, where all thoughts are just clouds of colours floating in my head. As time passes it seems to me that I have acquired this ability to use language itself to push the boundaries of the unknown and really actively tackle them instead of solely relying on my bases. It’s infinitely more tiring, but rather rewarding if something new is discovered.
That's recently the most powerful video I could possibly imagine to find. It speaks directly to the weaker side and says "thank you weak side, You don't fuckin' serve me anymore"!!! Thank you ❤️ ❤️
I couldn’t agree more. I used to have political debates and conversations with my family members and I would always end up looking dumb and at the end of the day I barely understood what I was talking about. But after joining my schools debate team I discovered I could much better argue my points when I wrote them down in an organized manner. Now I’ve began writing down all my political beliefs snd arguments in google doc, and I can do a much better job of defending my beliefs
I'm glad Jordan made this video. I thought I might be wasting my time with writing and online debating. It's important to make clear coherent arguments, points and examples that are organized and categorized in a way that flows toward the main conclusion and makes the writing easy for the reading to comprehend, follow and think critically about. You learn a lot from others that you debate about issues, different perspectives, how to better articulate points and how best to treat others who know more than you and less than you. You also learn more about the topic being debated from researching and vetting information that you want to use.
Well, he’s definitely right on this. This is the exact reason George Orwell thought of “newspeak”. If you dumb down the lexicon then you dumb down the people. If you dumb down their organization of thoughts then you also dumb down the people.
Daniel Aitken No joke. Too bad prisons aren't concerned with rehabilitating inmates to be responsible citizens. Yet another problem to work on. Your comment is a great idea for a solution instead of just pointing out a problem. [I am not being sarcastic at all. I know tone doesn't carry through text well.]
Great idea sir! Ever notice inmates are not encouraged to think for themselves? Because some shot caller or group wants you to just do what you're told & not ask so many damn questions right! They (inmates) in are controlled by law enforcement that works the same damn way. Kinda effing ironic huh! 🤔🤨
@@YellowPaint100 exactly. They probably suffered bad consequences in life... No one is born evil. It's only the lack of love that causes people to go psycho or socio. Now they become even more deprived of love and fall even deeper to the depths of insanity.
Thank you!!! I was always thinking too much and writing has always come easy but formulating my abstract thoughts has been impossible until recently because I was always bored of class and writing and always did the bare minimum... TO THIS DAY. Now I am considering philosophy as a major. So I will be starting my Journaling days now. I thank the Lord for Jordan Peterson and how he has helped me on my journey and I'm so grateful to see how Jesus has influenced Jordan's journey so much. I am so truly overwhelmed by the rapid revival of the Church and I look forward to seeing what Jordan can bring to the table as we move further into the most crucial Era in history.
Again and again my own thought which visited me when I was younger proves itself right. I have to hear someone say the truth I had in my head long before, and only then I'm able to recognise and realise it fully.
“If you can think and speak and write, you are absolutely DEADLY. NOTHING CAN GET IN YOUR WAY.”
THANK YOU.
Go
Any and every real problem will get in your way. You'll just learn to talk around it and past it off to other people who actually know how to do real things.
That was the one sentance that resonated with me.
@Green Ghouls - > nothing can get in your way
- > gets hit by a car tomorrow
- > also gets a stroke
@@lukamitrovic7873 ill talk my way out of the car accident dw
'Articulate is the most dangerous thing you can possibly be.' - Jordan Peterson.
Fled From Nowhere love that quote
Writing not only teaches thinking, but also efficient communication. I went through high school getting really good grades, but needing extra time for every subject (except for the logical ones like mathematics and physics) because it took me so damn long to articulate my answers. Because I never really got a grip of that skill, it still affects me today - particularly in how long it takes me to put a thought into spoken words. It's like my mouth can't keep up with my mind, which very often results in a stutter or repeatedly attempting to rephrase statements in more effective way. On a social level, it means I am hesitant to share my thoughts, because I struggle to articulate it so that other people can interpret what I am saying as the same concept in my understanding. It makes me wonder how many great ideas are never realised simply because the people who come up with them don't know how to communicate them properly.
@@destondauncey9884 major relate. did u overcome it? need help
@@pitamberchounal9198 It is still a work in progress. It has improved a lot over time as I have gained confidence and shed some of the social anxiety from my teens. I still find myself holding back on sharing my thoughts when I don't think I will be able to deliver it efficiently.
The one thing that has really helped with expressing more complex ideas and opinions is taking the time to articulate them to myself when I am alone (yeah I talk to myself sometimes :p). It allows me to figure out effective ways of phrasing them before hand, as well as let's me actually analyse how I feel about more controversial topics by putting it to words. Also I guess if you focus on phrasing ideas in your head before saying them, you will be able to speed up the process with practice.
I am lucky that my sister and my best mate have the same problem, so we know how to be patient with one another. If you can surround yourself with supportive people with whom you really click, it makes it much easier to practice articulating yourself with no fear of judgement.
@@destondauncey9884 sounds like dyslexia. I too struggle the same way. Couldn't figure out what the problem was until me dad was tested and diagnosed with dyslexia. When he told me, the light bulb came on, and i thought, "that explains alot".
How to be a better thinker? Write. How to be a better writer? Read.
How to be an actual doer . . . Do. There are only those who do and those who teach.
@@JustMe-fb6sc To Alice: Bullseye.
How to me a good engineer - solve problems
How to be a good doctor - study a Lot
So how do I become a good writer? I need some suggestions?
How to be a better reader? think.
How to be a better thinker? ...
In college my favorite class was my hardest class (STEM classes notwithstanding). Roman Empire with Prof. Burkholder. The first essay I wrote for that class I thought was the best essay I'd ever written (and it was), and I thought it was going to blow him away.
I got a C- on that paper.
For the rest of the semester, I struggled up the ladder B-, B, B+, then finally an A- on my last essay. No one gets an A of any sort in Burkholder's classes. That essay is to me a much greater mark of pride than my degree. My degree is in a file cabinet somewhere, waiting to be scanned/copied for administrative purposes, whereas all my Roman Empire essays are in my desk and I look them over every six months or so just to review them; to remember the struggle and the writing lessons learned.
That's awesome. Thank you for sharing that.
Please would you mind sharing? I would love to get insight into the hard work of someone :)
SturFriedBrains may you share with me if you would be open to any of those essays I’d like to learn how you formulated your writings
Now you got me all curious !
Gotta finish the story g
That last line, devastating
half dust, half deity maddening. Also invigorating for a college dropout like myself.
It really is. Reminds me of my father that always claims he wants his children to be better than hisself yet now seems afraid that his own creation is able to pick apart his very being better than he could ever understand himself, i only approach him with calmness and coherence and the self defense mechanism ingrained in people as such is to act as if the person propogating productive conversation about ways their behaviour can change, is demeaning and insulting them.
John Jones I think people have identified so closely with their behaviors and habits that any criticism or evaluation is deemed a personal attack, which leads to a lot of unconscious reactions. Arrogance, at least in this case, is the obstacle that keeps one from evolution and growth. Parents, I feel, may have the hardest time accepting that their children have surpassed them, to the point of resentment (which is ironic since their hope is that the child does eventually pass them up).
That gave me chills
Sorry for stealing your quote, but it was what really stuck with me too 👍
"If your students are stupid they are not going to challenge you", deadly accurate words
Got him fired.
And he is making a claim for power hierarchies.
And failing to see how people would value other things than learning.
But this was the former JBP. This new one is an entrepreneur.
@@justanothernick3984 you think learning keeps you in a classroom ??
A Christian arguing with an Athiest about god, tends to bring up bible verses, acts like both parties work off the same axioms.
Similarily, Marxists love to argue with libertarians, by bringing up passages from Marx, acting like they both work off the same axioms.
Had a guy tell me that all human conflict can be simplified down to class struggle.
Asked bro for something to support this claim, and the guy just read off Marx like a fucking NPC, and refused to explain further.
Also had a guy make a shit ton of normative statements abt the economy, and then pretend thats somehow proof that Capitalism is flawed?
Like they guy litterally tried arguing that a Marxist system would achieve a 100% efficiency, and refused to elaborate further.
The only discipline in human history where you dont have to worry about axiomatic differences, is fucking science lmfao.
Marxists treat their ideology as a science, mostly out of ignorance.
If they had to think further about their ideology instead of just blindly trusting it like some bootlicker, they would have a more nuanced stance of the economy.
@@justanothernick3984well then you tell me, what other values are there in a classroom environment than learning, under which there is direct retrieval of information from the professor and collective learning? Huh? Is it sharing preferred pronouns? Sexual identities?
@@nman1
I'd say in modern western society, mutual respect would be one.
I like how people who post portions of his videos always give a link to the source video. Somehow being his fan and being a decent person seem to go well together.
Posting a source doesn't mean shit dude
Filip Kopecký ... bec he preaches truth telling...
Argon Hammer ..SAUCE IS EVERYTHING!
Being his fan seems to be an inevitable consequence of being a decent person.
@@abner20bushi I don't think so, but then I'm a lazy, evil, mediocre, arrogant, ignorant, egoistic villain who laughs at naive assumptions by internet people who like to call themselves decent because they like the short videos of an academic who dislikes new media addiction and the current academia at the same time.
I bet half of his fans watch pornography, lie on a daily basis, don't clean their room, fail at actually supporting people in need and hate on so called SJWs because these guys defend people from racism, sexism or classism.
That said, I still believe you can learn from him. But his fans are an amorphous mass of troubled people, not necessarily decent folk. And decent folk don't necessarily care about him, says me, the villain.
The pen is mightier than the sword. But unfortunately contemporary academia rewards students that are good at reciting the instructor rather than evaluating the arguments that students themselves have formulated.
Which is pretty sad, since most of the science is about forming arguments and trying to refute them through empirical science.
Fortunately you can educate yourself online for free and distribute your mighty pen's work with new media.
LOL Very true
Usually the things the student formulate is worse then the given material
Razear writing is good for your critical thinking, sure. Also the habit of questioning everything you say after you've said it - especially if you really believe it, have any strong feelings about the subject, or start the sentence with "I just think that..." (In the UK people do this when they're about to repeat an article of faith)
Fantastic video -- I have learned more from 2 weeks of Jordan Peterson than my Bachelor's and Master's degrees.
You are not alone bro
lmao
careful what u call learning. If it feels good, sounds right, resonates with you, it may not be learning. Just some meme. JP is full of stuff like that without good basis. He's a guru. Don't fall for it.
Thats actually sad
The only way to learn something is by making mistakes. If Jordan has shown you where you've committed mistakes and you take action to not make the same mistakes then you learned something. That's why it is so hard for an expert to become even better, at one point you stop making mistakes.
Some of the most helpful advice of my life came from my Grandfather. He once told me that school wasn't actually meant to teach you what you need to know in life, beyond giving you a foundation to build on. School is actually meant to teach you HOW to learn. I never properly understood it while I was in school, but I eventually saw how powerful knowledge can actually be, and that all of the best knowledge has been found in my own pursuits, not in a classroom.
- Understand the connections between ideas
- Identify, construct, and evaluate arguments
- Detect inconsistencies and mistakes in reasoning
- Solve problems systematically identify
- The relevance and importance of idea
I read from book ;)
Thanks. These things sound systematically organized and it interests me. Can you refer me the name of that book and the author?
Be CRITICAL towards your own ideas, don't believe what you want to due to your own selfish tacit bias, attack yourself, be your own opposing team in every aspect, the easiest person to fool will always be yourself.
It's funny because I know all of these things by intuition, but putting it down on a list like this is very weird and only seems like... if I had to pay attention to this list, it'd just unnecessarily make the process more of a headache.
Nothing beats intuition.. Or whatever it is. You have to understand what's going on. You can't follow any rules-list for that. You have to pay attention.
Like the eye at the top of the pyramid.
@@GrubKiller436 If you don't understand exactly how a system was formed, and how it works, how can you critique it? My method consist of dissecting the idea/concept, beyond of it's foundations, and you are right, intuition is a good thing, but every explication is given, how can we create something new, if we always follow blindly the same foundation, the same explanation of others, does our own experience doesn't matter anymore? They tell us to read so much until we read ourselves into stupidness, like Schopenhauer said, and some philosophers like Nietzsche argues that, there is not such thing as foundations, because a foundation never justify it's self, but rather it uses justification, that is obtained through self-evident things, to justify the use of power on others.
You said it way better than the man in the video. This is the best definition of critical thinking that I know.
He said nothing solid regarding critical thinking
Hints for essay or narrative writing can be found here:
jordanbpeterson.com/docs/430_docs/Template.docx
(from jordanbpeterson.com)
Sorry for missing 2 days in a row, I am having internet problems
and I brought my PC to a friend to keep the site updated and answer
messages. My ISP says it will be fixed by tomorrow, I hope that's true!
Bite-sized Philosophy this is amazing, thank you so much
Thanx for sharing but the link doesn’t work.
Hey, the link doesn‘t work. Could you fix it?
Thank you for the download! I'm not a student, but I am interested in learning how to construct an ironclad argument. :-)
Weird that it doesn't work. Try going here : jordanbpeterson.com/classes/psychology-434/
and scroll down to Writing Assignments.
MATH
The other good way to learn critical thinking is to know math. The problem solving skills developed with advanced math courses not only provides the tools, but the ability to think deeply in other cognitive areas. Math combined with good writing skills is even deadlier, than good writing skills alone.
Advanced math courses takes a solid foundation in basic math, years of school studies and an aptitude for math.
Writing takes a pen.
Math doesn't teach you to think critically. It teaches you how to do math.
David Sanderson Nothing will teach you to think critically if you don't try to think & understand.
You need strong analytical skills to understand math concepts.
@Julián Rodríguez also math helps practice the skill of remembering what tools and knowledge you have at your disposal, and discerning wich tools can be used to solve problems.
There are problems. and there are solucions. what's left is figuring how to link them
You're going to get irritating replies when you say stuff like this because most people who haven't done advanced math don't know about the proof writing aspect of it. They think you're just crunching a bunch of numbers and don't know that you're constructing arguments in the context of math. So you're gonna get ignorant push back on this.
I am so thankful that you opened with that. As a certified English teacher almost 20 years ago, I was at a job interview and told the administators my goal was to teach children critical reading, thinking and writing skills. I was laughed at and told I was supposed to say I would teach to the test. That was the year Common Core was implemented, after a large buyout was offered to seasoned teachers who probably knew better. Parents, public schools are not interested in making your children critical thinkers. That needs to be our job. It was a goal I made in raising my kids.
This is honestly heart breaking
Ok
@oophelia46 - this is why I am so thankful that I took them out of the public schools and started homeschooling, not a teacher myself but a lot of self directed learning and I had zero support from my dad, my husband's family, I felt a huge load on my shoulders but I didn't want them back in school. Fastforward to today and they are in a great college level English class while finishing high school at a great school for former homeschool students. I am so thankful that I didn't let fear dictate my choice.
I fell in love with the way this man articulates himself, that every sentence flows into the other. One day I wish to be able to speak as he does to interpret the construct of thinking the way he does.
Dr. Jordan is EXACTLY RIGHT! I write for a living (I write organizational histories). Several years ago I thought that my writing skills could benefit from an exploration of critical thinking. After all, I reasoned, writing fully illustrates how you're thinking. Therefore, if I'm a better thinker, I automatically become a better writer. Besides, although I had an idea of what Critical Thinking was, I couldn't really articulate it, so I wasn't sure I even knew what it was. So I dove into this topic, a topic that has consumed a large part of my life. I have been and still am fascinated by it. One of the first things I discovered is that I was already a critical thinker in large measure as a result of my writing. What I really lacked was the vocabulary for what I was doing. I lacked a conceptual framework for thinking and reasoning. I lacked a disciplined way to analyze and improve upon thinking (either my own or someone else's). All of that is very valuable--but I had already acquired the skills (though I had no names for those skills) through writing itself. I wish I would have had training in critical thinking earlier in my life, it could have actually made me a better writer much faster, but it's a chicken and egg question now. Writing IS thinking. Trying to improve upon that writing--that's adding criticality. That all by itself makes you a practicing critical thinker.
I'm gonna quote a part of your comment in making a tiny research about critical thinking. Thanks.
I haven't written anything in 4 years. Recently I've been unsatisfied with my level of intellectual competence. Recently my professor told me that my class is going to write an essay a week for the next 6 months. And then this video shows up in my feed. Honestly, too many synchronicities are happening in my life to not believe in God. I feel so grateful for channels like this. Bless you
English was definitely my hardest subject in college, but when I wrote a good essay and actually ace it, I felt really good about myself.
Good for ya
KingKenDorah
Accomplishing the hardest things is always a great feeling!
How you did an essay?
Nice i still have trouble with essays and Im in my 2nd term of freshman year in High School
4 years searching for this answer and I find it not from my university but from a youtube video from a man far more intelligent than anyone on our faculty.
All it shows me is how fucked up this world really is.
I have no hope for society.
@@naveed210 , Of course, it's going to be harder to grade a badly written paper ,if you have to decipher the meaning, wade through bad spelling, syntax, grammar, poorly articulated ideas etc before you get to the plot/content . You sound a little hypocritical saying it sounds utterly F ing stupid!, then accusing him of whipping himself up. It's a straight forward comment if you are not bogged down by bad writing technique, you can focus on the content better. He never said that you wouldn't need to do any writing technique corrections at all, just less. You misinterpreted his comment. Ironically I'm only responding to your comment because of your emotive response.
@Kitty Kelly Hey thanks. Glad I studied Psychology and not English
He certainly behaves as if he is more intelligent than anyone. But there is a difference. Careful.
@@evunsoo you no good write and you poor poo poo graamer!
Peterson could not be speaking any more truth here!! As a university instructor myself I can tell you with absolute certainty marking an essay that is poorly written is one of the most difficult tasks you can have in academics. While on the flip side of this, marking an essay that is very well written is an incredibly pleasurable experience. If I could have the majority of my students writing well, my life and my job would be 100 times easier.
“Thinking and writing are the same” very valuable I’ve never though of it that way
Honesty I never knew why we read and write growing up. I know that we do these things to understand the language but other than that I didn't care much about reading or writing. It was not until I got kicked out of college that I started to understand that reading helps you think, organize, and connect your thoughts in a way that help other people understand what you are saying. When you read great writers, you start to understand how to write better.
God, I don't even know how to express my gratitude towards Jordan Peterson.
He's like a father that I never had for me.
Ramil Urazmanov Your name is so cool, where are you from?
Hi bro, If you literally say to God that you have a gratitude towards Jordan Peterson and not just a mere expression then your expression is good in God's eyes. The name of God should be respected in the most high because it is the name of the King of kings. The name of God should only use in prayer and teaching the knowledge of God. I really say this to you because God really loves you and God doesn't want you to be far from him. He does not want you to go in neverending darkness. I hope you read and understand this deeply from the beginning and to this very end. May our Lord Jesus Christ lives in your heart and mind.
@@aryldeiparine Please stop. Apart from the fact that this is an annoying way to preach your gospel, the comment you replied to is from 4 years ago.
Dc Peterson is genius. I am happy to learn from him.
You learn more by listening to a wise man, than by spending years in college.
Our education systems are meant to make the wise men available to others.
It's Dr. Not Dc
how ironic. a man whose defense of religion is utterly ridiculous and laughable devoid of critical thinking, telling other people to use critical thinking...
He never made claims about religious phenomena , he only made analogies about how we tend to perceive things, how religious stories have psychological information that has to be extracted...
I think I have to agree with him. I'm in my second semester of a 2 year masters of teaching and after submitting 3 batches of essays I'm starting to get the hang of it. It's like my brain just caught on fire. I'm seeing connections EVERYWHERE! I started writing essays on the side, not for any assignment, just to articulate my thoughts.
@CanUDraw I would say so, of course a lot of it could just come with age and experience. Keep in mind there are many different kinds of thinking, with critical thinking being just one (although it underpins most others). I still make plenty of mistakes in the moment when my higher order thinking isn't engaged, of course, but overall I feel my brain is getting better trained at picking up on and analysing details. In any case, practicing through writing can't do any harm to one's thinking skills. Give it a go if you have the time.
Writing is good. It's like we are communicating with ourselves. Writing is not only about words but also about what is in our hearts like what we want.
spot on 👍
Deadset no one has ever told me why I should write, and what advantages & empowerment it enables in you. And I've been in STEM fields at uni for 3 years...
If you want to learn to think and be a good problem solver, learn to program computers. Far superior to taking a writing class. This country needs critical thinkers.
@@mattmarkus4868 I actually study genetics but I'm a web developer in Laravel & Vue on the side, I agree the critical thinking, and creative problem solving are so invaluable.
Akemedis yep, if our politicians were engineers libertarianism would be dead. They’d actually solve problems and you’d be a fool to be anti-government. But... they are the furthest thing from engineers. And yet they speak and write very well. So I am against building careers around words and am much more in favor of actual problem solving.
Matt Markus I don’t think politicians speak well at all. Most of what they say is moronic and logically fallacious. If you’re a good critical thinker you can tear most of their arguments apart in seconds. What politicians are really good at is rhetoric and witty sounding catch phrases that appeal to the lowest common denominator of people.
Nishe Siel Politicians are articulate as a group. They use worlds to get and keep their positions. Call it whatever you want “rhetoric” bla bla. I call it speaking well, not thinking well. I said nothing about them making good arguments. Speaking well means giving speeches, being able to think on your feet, to artfully doge questions or move things in a direction or have them framed in a better way. I say speak well. Because as a group, they do. They’re all lawyers for god sake, you fool.
Reading makes a man broad.
Writing makes a man prepared.
Speaking makes a man concise.
Francis Bacon, paraphrase
Felicitations fellow benefactor!!!
Cooking makes a full man
Writing makes an exact man. Speaking makes a ready man.
Jordan Peterson is a beautiful mind. We need more great thinkers like him.
the way people treat him (especially people on the left) is mind blowing.....he's a one of a kind
I remember my mother telling me, “when you write things down, it registers in your brain.” It’s easy to memorize something when it’s laid down on paper,
Chef Maximus
And YOU PHYSICALLY wrote it. You participated in the information.
Shared this today with my 8th grade summer reading/writing group....very well received by my students!!!! Love this.
Im always overthinking each situation to substantial degree. I've. Been writting my though and sentiments for a while now either in poetry or just as if comes and read it over to understand myself more. I've slowly began to improve my critical thinking and put it into words. The only thing I need to work on is speaking. I have social anxiety and an introvert. Which is why i'm currently looking for a job that i can practice socializing with other people...i'll be damned in my lion dies within the cage.
I was in your boat too many years ago. Im now successfully employed and hardly any social anxiety left. First, seek therapy, local support group and medication immediatley. Those 3 things will be invaluable to you as you work to achieve your goals. Second, Retail helped me immensely in the beginning. Teaches you confidence and the ability to small talk *chit chat* which is crucial for socialization. be honest with your employer and co workers about your illness, very important. With that foundation you can begin to network and start moving ahead. Good luck!
That' exactly my situation! I would like to formulate better, but my english is not too well(I'm brazilian). But I'm really in your same situation.
1:52 - thinking makes you act effectively in the world.
- thinking makes you win the battles you undertake, and those battles could be for good things
2:19 - successful people argue well
How well does that work against the irrational group-think?
His essay guide became the foundation to how I write my essays. There is a lot to learn from it. Thanks Dr. Peterson
Where can I find it?
Please share it😊
@@snehlataaaajust google it, you will find a word pdf
@@totochanel2251google it
Want to know how to be a better writer?
*Read more*
Not today >=3
...well done. I applaud you, good sir and/or ma'am.
Oh my God the comment is savage .
lol, i got really confused. Why isn't it showing more? Oh.
Oh, you little bi-
So true. I know I understand something well when I can write it in a structured way.
Thinking, along with the ability to articulate your thoughts so that they are compelling and sensible to others, is the whole point of education. The pen is only mightier than the sword if the pen is wielded by someone who knows how to use it.
That’s true. Awesome.
Also learning other languages, because then you’re exploring building blocks of another language with a learned conscience and switching between the two dialogoues. Not long into studying and the mind has already adapted an entirely new thought process.
Learning other languages is super beneficial if you want to *remember how to think critically.*
Musicians also know how the gift of songwriting impacts the thought process
If your students are stupid, they are not going to challenge you! Exactly! As a former writing instructor, this concept should be on a teacher's contract. I have had too many 'students' who told me (all the while pouting and feeling put upon) that they 'graduated' with an 'A' in English, and were therefore entitled to be the lazy-arsed and completely ineffective 'students' at university! I cursed the 'teachers' who passed them! I had 'students' in my writing classes (remedial) who could not think, articulate, or write anything coherent! Furthermore, they themselves were becoming 'teachers,' at which statements I internally rolled my eyes and prayed for a quick and merciful death! For these 'teachers' will pass on all of their own errors and careless habits. And so it goes ...
Elise Kuby - I did 4 years of teacher training in the 1970s and when I realised the (lack of) standard of my fellow 'teachers' to be, I lost heart that any of it was worthwhile. It was obvious that if I could only pass on a portion of what I knew on a topic, how much would be passed on by the next generation of teachers. The curriculum was obviously geared towards specific vocational and social goals even then, and wasn't interested in teaching kids how to be curious, to think for themselves or how to learn. At the age of 21, I predicted the real life version of the movie 'Idiocracy' almost 30 years prior!
Why can't people see it now?
My Own Kind Of Man
I hear you! I lost all faith in the 'educational' system myself! Being an autodidact, I made the erroneous assumption that all wanna-be teachers were like myself - curious, forever searching and assimilating exciting information - that they could pass on to equally curious and passionate people like themselves! Not so! The world has changed. It is all like a baked potato now - nothing to write home about unless there is some butter and bacon on the thing. Highly disappointing and - let's face it - lonely!
SURREY CROSSING
That is the thing: you know that you are a good student (I knew my few good students) when your professors feel constantly challenged by you (as they should be) and when most of them dislike you. Also when your fellow students dislike you heartily.
Although I should state here that the professors I received my awards from year after year enjoyed my being in their classes and told me so. The others - not so much!
Surrey Crossing
You are correct! European education used to be vastly superior! I don't know what it is like now. You have to be a strongly motivated student to use the library as your main source. Not many students are self-motivated.
SURREY CROSSING
I used to get Christmas cards from my Korean students (when I still taught in Korea) that ALWAYS mentioned how much they appreciated my 'zest' in teaching. It helps to be passionate about your subject and to show it! There is nothing worse than a teacher who proves that 'those who can, do, and those who can't, teach.'
I can't believe I went through my entire university career without ever hearing this. It might have been said, and I might have been mentally outside the classroom, but I don't recall ever hearing anything like this. This is absolutely key to learning. BTW I got good grades on my papers; how I don't know.
We were studying to pass exams that's why we passed🤣🤣 I wish someone told me that I would be dangerous if I could be articulate, write and speak well
To know how to write you need to have a deep and clear thoughts flow with influential emotions can be felt by the reader backed up with sophisticated word play, you need to be versed and on top of the language you use to deliver your message
Lol!!!
"If your students are stupid they're not going to challenge you." My boss wishes I was stupid.
I know the feeling, you are not alone!
I like how his main point is simply trying to instill to people seeking an education the basis of why they should learn and be better in their areas of expertise in which they pursue.
A really dedicated person to spread what should be basic common knowledge to academics
More people need to listen to this man, his knowledge can save lives
So glad I was raised "old school" and loved writing since I was a wee one. Brilliant.
As someone who (like so many) loves the language, I am heartened by the depth and mindfulness of all these replies.
I (believe it or not) graduated university and never ever had an instructor that held my attention like this guy. Wow
'I guess that keeps the competition down'. i love this saying sooo much
I have since found my voice since I was young. I feel like I know how to speak and think for the most part. I left college early, I live at my moms and im almost 30 but I feel unstoppable.
As an ESL teacher, I couldn't agree more. Most of my students are older than me, some even twice my age, and yet I sometimes feel like a 4th grade teacher. When time comes for practical lessons, i.e. conversation classes, they look at each other in anxiety and need lots of encouraging to form even simple sentences. Not because they lack knowledge of the English language, but because they don't have anything to say. They struggle to organize their thoughts and form opinions.
And this is reflected on their writing as well. Most struggle to write short cohesive paragraphs, let alone entire essays. They make phrases that make no sense, regardless of what language their written on.
I often say that, to learn English, you should also aim to become eloquent in your native language, and people stare at me in confusion...
Best advice I've heard in a long time. And as someone stuck in writing their thesis absolutely motivating! Thank you for sharing.
3:25 by far THEE hardest eye roll I've ever seen in my life. Damn near rolled his head off his neck 😂
😂
You have my upvote for pointing that out.. He was speaking to the ceiling.
Shaking my head. This is the epitome of "it's all academic." These people who have no practical skills or understanding outside their regurgitated words, actually believe the absurdity that language and thought are the same thing. Foolishness. I had thought Peterson was finally catching on to this fact. I guess not.
@@JustMe-fb6sc I can't understand what you're saying.
@@GrubKiller436 critical thinking is an aspect of thought. Reading, writing, and speaking are verbal language. Language and thought are NOT the same thing, but most all academics , particularly social scientists and humanities folks are blind Positivists and believe this. It is embedded in the academic culture. It is from the actual doing of practical and necessary things that reason, logic, critical thinking emerge, are developed, and honed. Not from talking and reading what other have written about others talking. Does that help? If it doesnt, go build useful things and you will learn.
@@JustMe-fb6sc I'm not going to argue for nor against you. There are just too many factors to take into consideration here and how they affect one another. Critical thinking can be influenced by reading & writing. Obviously not casual reading & writing alone. People are able to create understanding with language. It helps to think critically. Surely you cannot say that this is false.
Reading is focused on gathering information.
Writing is about how you process it.
I hope JP is doing well. I watch this in 2020 and miss his gift to the world.
I swear this guy drops so many truth bombs in casual conversation that they're the kind of quotes that will become legendary, and people will live their lives by in the future!!
"If your students are stupid, they cant challenge you" :) Made my day
I was introduced to Dr. Peterson in my final undergrad year. Gave me a total different perspective and I now understand better about what it takes to grow up. Thank you very much, bit-sized philosophy and Dr. Peterson.
Thinking makes you act effectively in the world, WOW, I am winning the battles that I undertake
I learned how to write by reading books, and then further refined it in my AP English class senior year of high school. I enjoyed analyzing and interpreting and coming up with my own ideas about the texts we read, and the books we chose ourselves. I learned more about myself as I wrote.
❤️ Jordan Peterson. He’s spot on with his analysis and hilarious in his delivery without even meaning to be.
I'm currently on my Creative Writing course in college and I believe he is dead on point that learning how to write is necessary for critical thinking. It can be quite meddlesome and time consuming, and certainly at times even outright daunting, because of the learning aspect of how to be a good writer or the amount of things you have to know about literature and how to write about literature, is not only exhausting, it can take your joy from writing. But because of this I found meaning in justifying my suffering or my hardships. Because it is hard, therefore it becomes meaningful.
It just goes to show that happiness is not the end goal in life. Yes, it is important that you pick a career that you enjoy or at least passionate about, but your hardships is what makes it meaningful. Not because you are happy with it. And these things that pressures you, that pushes you, that tells you to read more or to write more actually shapes your critical thinking.
Brilliant! ..... Dr. Peterson on the faults of higher (mis)education.
I taught grad and undergrad classes in social work. Vast parts of a college education are actually prolonged rites of passage ending in a certificate. Some of my best students were mature adults who had lived lives of hard-knocks and who had ongoing problems of varied kinds. Some were battle tested Vietnam War vets. Some were mom's or dad's raising families. Academically, many were raw material not even 1/2 polished for competition with the more privileged younger students.
I could tell stories all day about college level teaching and of some sociological aspects that were disturbing to me.
Dr. PETERSON, YOU DA MAN!!!!
I didnt realize how much I needed those video. No one has ever put it like that. It makes so much sense now. Thank you
Wow! I love this so much. Thank you for holding all of us to a higher standard.
Wow...amazing. I have an 8th grade education and am a convicted felon. I've always had a strong vocabulary and the ability to innately spell, write and communicate in an effective manor. My education and background has never been an obstacle to financial success. Imagine what one can achieve when adding formal education and effort to the mix!
I don't agree with Mr Peterson on some of his more general views, but he absolutely nails it here.
I'm learning German at the moment, already have 2 degrees and I'm just now realising how important it was to learn well-structured writing.
Having the bravery to share your REAL thoughts and feelings in life and online - THAT is powerful :-)
"The pen is mightier than the sword" Edward Bulwer-Lytton (1839)
I'm a high school history teacher struggling with students with low reading and writing abilities. Many of them are english language learners, but many have also just been pushed through. Theres no consequences for failure in school. Unfortunately that's not how the real world works. I've made it my mission to teach them to read and write. Even though I teach history, I'd rather them learn a skill than the content. They can look up the history and I will use it as the medium we discuss, but man, writing and thinking are so important.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Lovely to have this intelligence spoken of in no uncertain terms. I've given up telling people to write and the benefits of it. Deadly clip.
Anyway we can get our hands on the writing template Dr.Peterson spoke about at the beginning. What a genius and may I say gracious way to help his students and himself by making a writing guide rather than taking all that time correcting.. In a world where people would rather punish others and themselves, this is a breathe of fresh air. Thank you Dr.Peterson
I study Computer Science, and my whole career has nothing to do with philosophy, but if i got a philosophy teacher like this in my Uni, i would just sign up for classes to just go there and listen to his beautiful words
That's interesting I'm 14 gonna be 15 in like 5 months and I'm actually deciding on going to college for computer science/AI Intelligence or get a degree in philosophy...I like philosophy I'd like to have proffessors like the guy in the video
His words are so noteworthy they need 2 mics on his shirt
Jordan peterson knows that thin line between success and failure and he is trying his best to bring the mankind to the better side..
I believe that writing helps with speech.
Especially understanding how to get right to the point with clear explanation using less.
The simple answer is read more books and the main field or subject that causes critical thinking is philosophy because philosophy is the study of logic! Until you can truly understand the concept of knowing thyself you sincerely wont be able to comprehend just about everyone else
Well, if your only interest is in words and language, then yes. Logic, math, semiotics, and philosophy. The rest is gibberish. But if you want to be really sharp and critical, learn how to design, construct, and build useful things.
I want to take philosophy for this reason and so many more. Ultimately it would actually give me a chance to be challenged.
Ding ding. This is the correct answer! Western Analytic Philosophy is the root of all Western thought and culture-and undergirds every other discipline.
I need this man in my life......Thank you, UA-cam.
This is probably one of the best Peterson videos I've seen.
Thank you so much Sir for this valuable information. I was never serious in studies and thought my memory was bad and could not remember what I studied for many hours. But now I realised the importance of writing the important points down so that learning will be successful.
When I was child 7 - 10 years old I like to write, to speak. I can write essays easily and I love to speak my mind. Until my Dad said Math is better than writing essays, I need to excel my math, than I stop writing, calculating things is easier,but somehow I lost ability to explain well to others. Well it's time to claim my ability back.. Thank you Sir
Do it! And more important, we view writing as a compliment to reading, not separate from it. Teachers make this mistake of separating reading and writing and then telling students you can't write unless you read. Well, students like me struggled to read. Parents thought I was lazy. Teachers couldn't pin it down. It's hard to enjoy reading when you can't read and you can't learn to read unless you read.
Writing is the way you break out of that Catch 22. They now they read their own words. They start to correct them and it creates sentence structure. And before you know it, that student picks up Shakespear and realizes he understands it.
I have never read nor write anything except the bare minimum. But on the other hand I was perceived as a math prodigy by teachers.
Reading what you’ve just said really reminded that, I was never able to put thoughts into words until I was years into Jordan Peterson’s materials.
In some ways it seems like I lived in a world of symbols, where all thoughts are just clouds of colours floating in my head.
As time passes it seems to me that I have acquired this ability to use language itself to push the boundaries of the unknown and really actively tackle them instead of solely relying on my bases. It’s infinitely more tiring, but rather rewarding if something new is discovered.
Two Takeaways :
1) If you can think and speak and write, you are absolutely deadly.
2) Articulate is the most dangerous thing you can possibly be.
'' Thinking make you act effectively in the world......Think people to be articulate.''
That's recently the most powerful video I could possibly imagine to find. It speaks directly to the weaker side and says "thank you weak side, You don't fuckin' serve me anymore"!!!
Thank you ❤️ ❤️
I want to be deadly. -determined emoji
U mean these? ---> 🙎 😡
@@dye4na It looks angry
This maybe? 💪(*^*💪)
@@angelstarfire OoO (the surprised pikachu) Maybe
"If your students are stupid, they're not gonna challenge you. That's one way to keep the competition down."
Jordan always comes through when you need some guidance, thanks
I couldn’t agree more. I used to have political debates and conversations with my family members and I would always end up looking dumb and at the end of the day I barely understood what I was talking about. But after joining my schools debate team I discovered I could much better argue my points when I wrote them down in an organized manner. Now I’ve began writing down all my political beliefs snd arguments in google doc, and I can do a much better job of defending my beliefs
"University lecturer encourages students to learn how to use assault rifles"
That's how the MSM would spin this.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I’m surprised that’s not the actual title of the video 😂
Lol, this is good!!
Words have the power to cause irreversible harm and leave invisible scars
"If your students are stupid, they are not going to challenge you." Very true.
This is 100% correct, Yes exactly
This is definitely one of the best clips I have needed. Thanks for sharing such a bite-sized philosophy. ✌✌✌✌
I'm glad Jordan made this video. I thought I might be wasting my time with writing and online debating.
It's important to make clear coherent arguments, points and examples that are organized and categorized in a way that flows toward the main conclusion and makes the writing easy for the reading to comprehend, follow and think critically about.
You learn a lot from others that you debate about issues, different perspectives, how to better articulate points and how best to treat others who know more than you and less than you. You also learn more about the topic being debated from researching and vetting information that you want to use.
If your students are stupid 😜 they're not going to challenge you! So much in this last sentence to think about.
You are that one person in this entire world, whose perception i adore like anything 💯
Carefully chosen Words can become powerful weapons of Hope and favor, giving one great ability to unlock many doors.
Well, he’s definitely right on this. This is the exact reason George Orwell thought of “newspeak”. If you dumb down the lexicon then you dumb down the people. If you dumb down their organization of thoughts then you also dumb down the people.
I can tell you from my time in prison that if jordan peterson was mandatory viewing for inmates the crime rate would fall dramatically
Daniel Aitken No joke. Too bad prisons aren't concerned with rehabilitating inmates to be responsible citizens. Yet another problem to work on. Your comment is a great idea for a solution instead of just pointing out a problem. [I am not being sarcastic at all. I know tone doesn't carry through text well.]
Great idea sir! Ever notice inmates are not encouraged to think for themselves? Because some shot caller or group wants you to just do what you're told & not ask so many damn questions right! They (inmates) in are controlled by law enforcement that works the same damn way. Kinda effing ironic huh! 🤔🤨
@@YellowPaint100 exactly. They probably suffered bad consequences in life...
No one is born evil. It's only the lack of love that causes people to go psycho or socio.
Now they become even more deprived of love and fall even deeper to the depths of insanity.
There's lots of inmates who do educate themselves in subjects such as psychology and philosophy. But they do it for the wrong reasons.
Thank you!!! I was always thinking too much and writing has always come easy but formulating my abstract thoughts has been impossible until recently because I was always bored of class and writing and always did the bare minimum... TO THIS DAY. Now I am considering philosophy as a major. So I will be starting my Journaling days now. I thank the Lord for Jordan Peterson and how he has helped me on my journey and I'm so grateful to see how Jesus has influenced Jordan's journey so much. I am so truly overwhelmed by the rapid revival of the Church and I look forward to seeing what Jordan can bring to the table as we move further into the most crucial Era in history.
Again and again my own thought which visited me when I was younger proves itself right. I have to hear someone say the truth I had in my head long before, and only then I'm able to recognise and realise it fully.