It’s wild how most of those were such obvious trolling but at the same time they have some elements of truth discovered 20 years later. Like doing a frame perfect pause menu open to get in a weird state. But that terminology didn’t exist at the time. Though you’d still see posts describing pressing start while talking to a character, leaving out and causing confusion about which NPC and whether you press or hold it or if you press it at any point while talking to the npc or some people would assume you meant select not start. But the core idea is the same. Makes you wonder if someone really found that bug put 20 years ago or if random trolling just has a random chance of being correct chaotically. One direct specific example of this I have is theres a way in pokemon gen 1 to make stone evolution pokemon evolve without a stone. I forget the specific glitch and pokemon but I saw a UA-cam video about it a few months ago. Might’ve been tired to cycling hill. I think it had to do with leveling it up but having a specific move set or having a blank first move because you changed the order of moves around. It causes a weird memory glitch that triggers an evolve. Sounds like one of the uncle works at Nintendo stories. Btw I wonder how everyone heard that same lie. Why did so many kids lie with that same exact story. Whys it always an uncle at Nintendo. Did they hear it from a cousins friends at Thanksgiving across the country and just repeat the same lie? Thus implying they knew it was a lie? Or did they believe they had an uncle working there? Were they just making up stories about new things or were these stories they heard somewhere and sharing? So bizarre.
Major kudos to all of you guys, I don't usually speedrun but I love to watch this kind of video, if you ever upload a full speedrun of the game with this method I'll watch the whole thing, seeing this much love for a classic warms my heart.
This reads like one of those fake Aerith revival side quests from back in the day. 😂 Well done on figuring this all out! Hopefully something RTA Viable will come of it someday.
Technically has already been done by Ace! But through menuing after every frame of movement so the game "doesn't count the movement" which means no battle check. So it took Ace almost 5 hours to do it.
This is like... the modern day equivalent of a rain dance or something. It's pretty wild that this is actually doing something and not just superstition.
@@Black_Sephiroth Not nearly viable RTA yet because of the massive amount of world map movement to get through without an encounter, so stay tuned as to whether that problem can be solved lol
OK... Can you explain, or link to a write up that explains: 1. What "loading triangles" means in the context of this skip? 2. What is actually going on in-engine such that the simple act of walking back and forth in a frame/pixel perfect way is able to break the game and glitch Cloud out of bounds? 3. How was such an intricate series of steps figured out? It seems like the equivalent of throwing a bunch of Legos around in a bin and having them come out as a fully assembled house. I have to assume this was determined in a very systematic way, and I'm curious to learn what that process was.
AceZephyr will eventually make a video better than I can. Essentially Cloud stores the memory of the tile he walks on. When we get on the Chocobo these tiles aren't updated so we basically unload them and reload them which wasn't intended. The Kalm Skip explained video linked in the description better explains this but we have better knowledge of it now.
Yes, it was like tossing lego container for some time, opening it, figuring out that one red short piece turned around, shaking some more, finding yellow piece locked on green block, tossing some more, jumbled chaos, almost there, one toss more, and here you are, here's a fully functional lego city.
Thanks for the tutorial, you're amazing! Been waiting this for decades... I did this on the Switch version, it works but it's very precise, took me 2 days of trial and error. So far I've found that Yuffie doesn't spawn in any forest, Is this because a missed Flag doesn't activate this event Kuma? Also, if you want to 100% with Aeris in your party, unfortunatley, you miss a lot of stuff and the games bugs the hell out when visiting key story events.
@@KumaTV__ I found a route to get the PHS, this also includes fixing the Gold Saucer (Cait Sith) and involves using Diamond Weapon to trigger the correct events, it's a must to have a Golden Chocobo as the Highwind always spawns at 0,0 coordinates in the map thanks to the Buggy. I can cover the route if you're interested, I know that, just like me, wants a 100% save file with Aerith.
this is insane kuma.. this couldn't be RTA viable there's too many triangles to glitch but maybe a shorter path is possible. ace is trying to do it by menu buffering every frame.. i mean fuck it saves so much time that's probably still faster by a lot.
Is it possible to save the game between the steps? Or does it ruin the setups for the skip? The hard part is when you go down in the ocean. When you dont see cloud. Great guide btw, very Nice find! 🙏
Is this gonna be the kind thing where you walk all the way to north crater - trick the game to think we are on disc 3 - and manage to just skip the entire game haha?
This is crazy. However, this seems nearly impossible to pull off without getting an encounter and soft locking in real time unless I’m missing something?
@@KumaTV__ for PC version you can disable encounters on world map by doing this: save game (reset), start new game and die to the first battle as ex-soldier by lightning yourself until death. Then load save file. However, since Zolom is involved it might not work? Not sure if he enables encounters again. Just a neat trick.
It's just unreasonable to assume anyone's going to be able to pull this off on a legitimate speedrun without getting into any encounters all of the times you are running in the ocean.
If the only requirement is no encounters, could I theoretically be able to do this on Switch? You'd probably have to create a new catagory for speedrunning in order to incorporate it. Although I don't even slightly doubt the FF7 community to figure out some genius RNG manipulation lol
Yes this can be done on the switch. The visual cue for one of the wall bonks is different so feel free to ask the FF7 speedrun discord if you plan to attempt this and have issues
@@KumaTV__ do arbitrary speedrunning rules really matter in uncovering glitches in a beloved classic? It's just weird seeing the ff7 community lose their minds over a new method to a 20 year old bug
Too far aside, glitching through the barrier of Nothern Crater does nothing. Getting inside Northern Crater is actually a script of the Highwind's to get in which is probably not even active until you're at that point of the game
Yes, but the last visual cue is slightly different as Switch version is the PC port. Feel free to join the FF7 speedrun discord in the description if you have any questions
On My PS5 FF7 got an update, i Really Hope Square Didn't Patch The Glitch Out, I Tried It For Myself And It Didn't Work, I Think I Did It Wrong But If I Didn't Square Probably Patched It But That's What Might Of Happened, Not Entirely Sure?.
Not sure how this could even be considered for legitimate speed runs if you have to turn off encounters. I am happy to be educated though, if someone has a good argument.
This is a proof of concept to show it works. On other versions like PC encounters can be setup by glitches within the game and no other modifications. Manips are in the work for versions that doesn't have such glitches.
@@wild_world_united Yep! This is all totally legal, *however* we can't stress enough how extremely unlikely it is for this to be viable in a real console run without another significant breakthrough in routing. The reason is, if you get into an encounter at any time Cloud is out of bounds, you are softlocked. If Cloud is in-bounds, it resets the trick to the start. The odds of getting no encounters is extremely extremely low without figuring out a manipulation that hasn't been solved yet.
I'm using a mix of kuma and ajenkins to practice on ps5, eventually I've been able to get back on chocobo from the water at least three times, before softlocking, got so close that time. Also several times I managed to get all the way over to the cliff on the other side without any bumping and I get so surprised when that happens but then Cloud won't go back into the water
@@Deathtome. it's not so easy with playstation 5 console as the chcocbo has to be in the right place every time to do it each step as I'm still working on it for 3 hours and still not got all the steps though to do the glitch !.
@@ajenkinsff7xfiles899 hahahaha!!! Yeah, I know it will be very difficult but if you have ps5 video I can copy! I will be so happy to have it work on ps5! You definetly should make aeris die 3 times glitch. Hahahaha
If your chocobo is running then you're not setting up the glitch with the Zolom correctly, or you're at a point of the game where that flag doesn't exist. It has to be right after you leave midgar.
am I the only one that feels like 80% of these steps are pointless and they are just trying to make people do all this nonsense for the hell of it? Someone needs to explain to me like I am 5, what all these steps are actually changing.
The pacing back and forth while occasionally spinning the camera is parting the sea bit by bit like some autistic Moses so that you can just walk to Jenova Birth as soon as you get out of Midgar.
![Final Fantasy VII Disc 1 Skip Tutorial [PC/HD Consoles] Optimized](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/zAZ9HUbOJVU/mqdefault.jpg)
This is the kind of convoluted step we saw in mid 2000 on gamefaq forum on how to bring Aerith back, but now it's for real.
Or like in Pokemon games, do ridiculous stuff with that parked truck at that ship to get mew
This is the secret cow level from Diablo 1 all over again
It’s wild how most of those were such obvious trolling but at the same time they have some elements of truth discovered 20 years later.
Like doing a frame perfect pause menu open to get in a weird state. But that terminology didn’t exist at the time. Though you’d still see posts describing pressing start while talking to a character, leaving out and causing confusion about which NPC and whether you press or hold it or if you press it at any point while talking to the npc or some people would assume you meant select not start.
But the core idea is the same. Makes you wonder if someone really found that bug put 20 years ago or if random trolling just has a random chance of being correct chaotically.
One direct specific example of this I have is theres a way in pokemon gen 1 to make stone evolution pokemon evolve without a stone.
I forget the specific glitch and pokemon but I saw a UA-cam video about it a few months ago. Might’ve been tired to cycling hill. I think it had to do with leveling it up but having a specific move set or having a blank first move because you changed the order of moves around. It causes a weird memory glitch that triggers an evolve.
Sounds like one of the uncle works at Nintendo stories. Btw I wonder how everyone heard that same lie. Why did so many kids lie with that same exact story. Whys it always an uncle at Nintendo. Did they hear it from a cousins friends at Thanksgiving across the country and just repeat the same lie? Thus implying they knew it was a lie? Or did they believe they had an uncle working there? Were they just making up stories about new things or were these stories they heard somewhere and sharing? So bizarre.
I thought I was getting trolled while watching the video
Justice for DarkSephiroth69 who wrote down these exact steps on Gamefaqs in 99 but no-one believed him
Major kudos to all of you guys, I don't usually speedrun but I love to watch this kind of video, if you ever upload a full speedrun of the game with this method I'll watch the whole thing, seeing this much love for a classic warms my heart.
It's time to say it again. FF7: the game that keeps on giving.
4-8 Productions sent me here. Nice work!
Thanks so much for your work towards this skip! You're helping keep FF7 speedrunning alive and thriving nearly 30 years later :D
Given how elaborate the set up is - who in the feck figured this out haha.
This reads like one of those fake Aerith revival side quests from back in the day. 😂 Well done on figuring this all out! Hopefully something RTA Viable will come of it someday.
Your video has become articles in the Brazilian gaming community. This is huge =)
Cloud becomes Jesus and walks on Water!
Thanks for your hard work Kuma nad everyone involved
Moses
@@Black_Sephiroth moses was the one splitting the water.
That is so many steps, i can only imagine what it took to find this out
This is crazy. Massive props to Ace, Kuma and Deano for all the work on this. You guys are actually insane. Now do it for console... :P
Technically has already been done by Ace! But through menuing after every frame of movement so the game "doesn't count the movement" which means no battle check. So it took Ace almost 5 hours to do it.
This is like... the modern day equivalent of a rain dance or something. It's pretty wild that this is actually doing something and not just superstition.
Absolutely massive
Time for a new WR?
@@Black_Sephiroth Not nearly viable RTA yet because of the massive amount of world map movement to get through without an encounter, so stay tuned as to whether that problem can be solved lol
@@DashRetro any merit to trying this in combination with with materia smuggle and enemy away?
this is awesome to see you are already on top of this! lol
what a chad, the game is about to have a massive burst of new records!
Chocobo glitches have come along way since I walked through the mountain for the first time
This is insane, great find.😀
A beautiful contribution to science, thank you!
Mind-blowing! Aerith is finally saved!
This is a great find! Thanks for the detailed video!
BRUH XD this is insane, i love it (not that im ever gonna do any speedrun tricks but its like good to know anyways) also you are pretty cute :3
Me: skipping leg day
Kuma:
What do you guys have against disk one? Great disk.
Amazing, simply amazing!!!
Absolutely mental, holy moly.
babe wake up new ff7 skip just dropped
OK... Can you explain, or link to a write up that explains:
1. What "loading triangles" means in the context of this skip?
2. What is actually going on in-engine such that the simple act of walking back and forth in a frame/pixel perfect way is able to break the game and glitch Cloud out of bounds?
3. How was such an intricate series of steps figured out? It seems like the equivalent of throwing a bunch of Legos around in a bin and having them come out as a fully assembled house. I have to assume this was determined in a very systematic way, and I'm curious to learn what that process was.
AceZephyr will eventually make a video better than I can.
Essentially Cloud stores the memory of the tile he walks on. When we get on the Chocobo these tiles aren't updated so we basically unload them and reload them which wasn't intended. The Kalm Skip explained video linked in the description better explains this but we have better knowledge of it now.
@@KumaTV__ Ah, great. I'll check out the Kalm Skip video and await AceZephyr's video.
Yes, it was like tossing lego container for some time, opening it, figuring out that one red short piece turned around, shaking some more, finding yellow piece locked on green block, tossing some more, jumbled chaos, almost there, one toss more, and here you are, here's a fully functional lego city.
I've been trying 4 ten hours, that'll be the achievement of my life
Just did it on the Nintendo switch! Haha so cool!
Thanks for the tutorial, you're amazing! Been waiting this for decades...
I did this on the Switch version, it works but it's very precise, took me 2 days of trial and error. So far I've found that Yuffie doesn't spawn in any forest, Is this because a missed Flag doesn't activate this event Kuma? Also, if you want to 100% with Aeris in your party, unfortunatley, you miss a lot of stuff and the games bugs the hell out when visiting key story events.
Yes it's because you have skipped all of the flags which makes it impossible to recruit Yuffie.
@@KumaTV__ I found a route to get the PHS, this also includes fixing the Gold Saucer (Cait Sith) and involves using Diamond Weapon to trigger the correct events, it's a must to have a Golden Chocobo as the Highwind always spawns at 0,0 coordinates in the map thanks to the Buggy. I can cover the route if you're interested, I know that, just like me, wants a 100% save file with Aerith.
Great work!
cloud: I get the feeling were forgetting something. cloud: hey, would you stay there just a minute. what's cloud talking about?
Crazy find!!! you the kuma!!!
wow amazing work!
Id pay a million dollars to have the devs react to this.
Theyd be embarrased watching people tear apart the duct tape that holds this game together itd be humiliating
It's finally here after 27 years. also, how does someone even figure this out
There's something so funny about watching a rigged "Rilakkuma" talking lol
this is insane kuma.. this couldn't be RTA viable there's too many triangles to glitch but maybe a shorter path is possible. ace is trying to do it by menu buffering every frame.. i mean fuck it saves so much time that's probably still faster by a lot.
DeathUnitesUs sent me 😎
whoa. mind blown lol 🤯
27 years later
Great video, thank you
This is crazy. How on Earth do you figure this out? 🤣
Nice!!!
Nice.
Is it possible to save the game between the steps? Or does it ruin the setups for the skip? The hard part is when you go down in the ocean. When you dont see cloud. Great guide btw, very Nice find! 🙏
Man with little bear man guy dude tells me how you can, in theory, skip 60 percent of disk 1.
Is this gonna be the kind thing where you walk all the way to north crater - trick the game to think we are on disc 3 - and manage to just skip the entire game haha?
Haha no, glitching through Nothern Crater's barrier does nothing. It's a script that allows the highwind to enter it.
Don’t the HD remasters have a “no encounters” toggle (L3 + R3 I think)?
Yes they do, and this skip works with it. The last visual cue is slightly different though.
But what if I encounter Emerald Weapon while on the ocean floor? Will that ruin my run?
This is crazy. However, this seems nearly impossible to pull off without getting an encounter and soft locking in real time unless I’m missing something?
Original JP version and versions with boosters can currently already do this through glitches to disable world map encounters or by using boosters
@@KumaTV__ sure, I was more so speaking in the context of any% WR speed runs.
@@KumaTV__ for PC version you can disable encounters on world map by doing this: save game (reset), start new game and die to the first battle as ex-soldier by lightning yourself until death. Then load save file. However, since Zolom is involved it might not work? Not sure if he enables encounters again. Just a neat trick.
also what controller is that bear holding? I don't recognize it.
5:11 🤯🤯🤯
I honestly don’t understand the basis of how you would ever figure this out? It can’t just be completely random, how does this come about?
I wonder what would happen in the know areas where her dialogues where found after the death. Hmmm
It's cool but I am curious how the extreme under leveling will go not having a whole disk to get exp
It's just unreasonable to assume anyone's going to be able to pull this off on a legitimate speedrun without getting into any encounters all of the times you are running in the ocean.
Jenova Life, Schizo and Jenova Death will take awhile but at Carry Armor it isn't too bad.
@@cidhighwindgunzit will happen eventually
If the only requirement is no encounters, could I theoretically be able to do this on Switch? You'd probably have to create a new catagory for speedrunning in order to incorporate it. Although I don't even slightly doubt the FF7 community to figure out some genius RNG manipulation lol
Yes this can be done on the switch. The visual cue for one of the wall bonks is different so feel free to ask the FF7 speedrun discord if you plan to attempt this and have issues
@@KumaTV__ Cool, thanks! This is an incredible discovery and you've done an amazing job!
Nice
Спасибо, думаю попробую повторить
Fuck yeah 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
^you just have one frame^ seems like troll mew under the truck Oo crazy
Im stuck at 14:50, tried 5 times now, cloud wont pop up, just getting stuck, do you know what im missing?
Good luck getting no encounters un the walk across the ocean
What happens if you go directly to Icicle inn? O.o
If you have to disable encounters is it really a skip?
See my new video.
Couldnt you do this on ps1? I remember popping open the disc tray and walking to icicle inn from the chocobo farm
FF7 speedruns does not allow hardware manipulation like opening the disc tray to perform glitches. This is done purely within the game
@@KumaTV__ do arbitrary speedrunning rules really matter in uncovering glitches in a beloved classic? It's just weird seeing the ff7 community lose their minds over a new method to a 20 year old bug
Gotta call it Moses skip 😂
Holy shit
but when do I do the hokey pokey?
I'm guessing there's no way to break into the northern crater instead of the city?
Too far aside, glitching through the barrier of Nothern Crater does nothing. Getting inside Northern Crater is actually a script of the Highwind's to get in which is probably not even active until you're at that point of the game
that's a huge discover but, there must be an easier way to do it
does this work on the switch version???
Yes, but the last visual cue is slightly different as Switch version is the PC port. Feel free to join the FF7 speedrun discord in the description if you have any questions
I wonder if you can get kotr early
Way too far, impossible with what we currently have unfortunately
could this be used to get knights of the round early game???
Impossible with this kind of glitch. It is way too far even with disregarding the encounters.
On My PS5 FF7 got an update, i Really Hope Square Didn't Patch The Glitch Out, I Tried It For Myself And It Didn't Work, I Think I Did It Wrong But If I Didn't Square Probably Patched It But That's What Might Of Happened, Not Entirely Sure?.
Ok so this was discovered by emulating the PS1 version on PC, right? Did anyone already try it on PS4/5 “remastered” version?
It's confirmed to be working, but the visual cue may be off. Check out the FF7 speedrun discord if you are attempting this and need help
This is so convoluted. Not even one hint you're doing anything, right or wrong. How this could have been discovered and replicated?
So, did u saved Aerith?
Schrodinger's Aerith, she's both alive and dead
I hope the QA team is fired for this one.
Who's here in 1997?
Not sure how this could even be considered for legitimate speed runs if you have to turn off encounters. I am happy to be educated though, if someone has a good argument.
This is a proof of concept to show it works. On other versions like PC encounters can be setup by glitches within the game and no other modifications. Manips are in the work for versions that doesn't have such glitches.
Why would you want to skip so much of the story, doesn’t make sense
14:50 is the hardest part
Tried 3 times at 14:50, cloud wont pop up. Getting stuck
3 times at 14:50, cloud wont pop up. Just getting stuck
It will be pretty difficult to teach you from youtube. If you have any questions join the FF7 speedrun discord linked in the description!
Thank you kuma, i completed it after some time, thanks to your guide 👍
Madness!!!! Is this even legal?
@@wild_world_united Yep! This is all totally legal, *however* we can't stress enough how extremely unlikely it is for this to be viable in a real console run without another significant breakthrough in routing. The reason is, if you get into an encounter at any time Cloud is out of bounds, you are softlocked. If Cloud is in-bounds, it resets the trick to the start. The odds of getting no encounters is extremely extremely low without figuring out a manipulation that hasn't been solved yet.
@DashRetro I thought the HD remasters have no encounters.
So I have to say it didn't work for me, I couldn't get it right, it would have been nice if it worked 😢😢😢😢 i miss aerith in my team
I'm using a mix of kuma and ajenkins to practice on ps5, eventually I've been able to get back on chocobo from the water at least three times, before softlocking, got so close that time. Also several times I managed to get all the way over to the cliff on the other side without any bumping and I get so surprised when that happens but then Cloud won't go back into the water
so when are you going to find out how to skip to final scene at the start of the game. i joke good find there.
legal
show us your face brother!
Ps4 ps5 has god mod put no encounters on to try this.
Let me know when you have a video of ps4/ps5. I want to speedrun with no encounters on world map!
@@Deathtome. it's not so easy with playstation 5 console as the chcocbo has to be in the right place every time to do it each step as I'm still working on it for 3 hours and still not got all the steps though to do the glitch !.
Why I'm do this glitch is the something to do with Aeris after I get the highwind I'm going to make Aeris diee 2 or 3 time using this glitch ?😆😆🤣🤣🤣
@@ajenkinsff7xfiles899 hahahaha!!! Yeah, I know it will be very difficult but if you have ps5 video I can copy! I will be so happy to have it work on ps5! You definetly should make aeris die 3 times glitch. Hahahaha
@@ajenkinsff7xfiles899 zheal did the skip new video ps5 skip youtube. Search zheal! I give you a timestamp in comments 1.13.51! On zheal video ps5
No
unfortunately, this doesnt work on switch as even if you’re by the Mine entrance, the chocobo will immediately run away upon dismounting
If your chocobo is running then you're not setting up the glitch with the Zolom correctly, or you're at a point of the game where that flag doesn't exist. It has to be right after you leave midgar.
am I the only one that feels like 80% of these steps are pointless and they are just trying to make people do all this nonsense for the hell of it? Someone needs to explain to me like I am 5, what all these steps are actually changing.
The pacing back and forth while occasionally spinning the camera is parting the sea bit by bit like some autistic Moses so that you can just walk to Jenova Birth as soon as you get out of Midgar.
We're adjusting how the chunks (or regions) load in order to put it simply
Que ridículo. De onde uma pessoa descobre isso e fica fazendo um monte de manobra aleatória e acredita que todo esse trajeto é necessário?