You might also describe -SiFi as a yearning for the needs that are far from personal. So, the byproduct is - exploring the problems that are not fully acknowledged or solved yet (Ne-Te). Which I guess gives this types academic/political/business slant you’ve mentioned.
This is very insightful and never talked about! Thanks! Also, thanks for organizing it to compare each type with their closest neighbor, however you’d call it, e.g. INFJ vs ISTP. I’d love to hear more of these comparisons.
Hey Harry! It would be really amusing someday to see your thoughts on the “dark” variations of every type (it might be in a “fictional typology” series). You’ve already mentioned fanatic INFJ’s, machiavellian ISTJs or ESTP and moreover. Still, it would be super cool to expose darker archetypes of INFP or INTJ, which are considered the most harmonious in CPT. Also, for the most harmonious types it might be empowering to show their “shadow” side. Kudos!
So true indeed I think the so called 'inferior' function is often neglected all together as it's perceived as playing a very minor not yet integrated role in the psyche.
Thanks for the video, Harry. I appreciate the side by side comparison of NeTe- and TeNe-. It also ties in nicely to the battery analogy you used in one of your videos, and how the negative/divergent functions induce the positive/convergent functions.
Nice video! It's very interesting to better understand that the 'negative side' is not necessarily a bad thing in CPT. I really enjoy when you use one video to touch on all personalities-it helps to understand them from different perspectives.
This series is your best imo. Congrats on really bringing this to the next level. One note. I think the example you gave for divergent Fe-Ne (intp) might give a stronger impression than you intended in that specific people are the focal point of the function rather than a broader predictive utility (which you mentioned). I think it's predictive utility/novelty sensitivity not just for interpersonal behavior but also for the meta-categorical dynamics of systems and psycho-sophical analytical thought. Correct me if I'm wrong or insufficiently seperating functions, but in my experience the -Fe-Ne might be more about behavioral elements as puzzle pieces.
@@somethingelse2814 You're right for sure, this video talks about the divergent pairings in isolation and is accurate, but combining FeNe- with TiSi+ produces what you describe here
Hey Harry! I know within CPT, the SiFi users have a consistent or concrete sense of self, so I want to ask about the ENFPs, typed within your system, that acknowledge things like growth, development, and still being you in different ways (for instance, being black, a student, and an artist), and other things of that nature? Does it mean that they're aren't "actual" ENFPs or is it something else? Do you get what I mean?
@@justinsarfo829 Hi Justin! So older videos need a rework as in actuality a concrete sense of self usually pertains to the diamond at the core, whereas the outer crust and molten interspace is always changing and growing. So definitely still ENFPs! ISTJs can be more unyielding tho
Interesting, so it's kind of like FiNi/SiFi have "diamond" at the core, while FiSi/NiFi have "abyss" at the core... Referencing the video of functions as elements
I wonder how age can affect our typing journey, and if it's worth typing myself in teen ages. 🤔 Maybe you could make a video about it, or there is already? (How age can affect types)
My other half is an ESFP with a highly fluid axis & obviously is a NiFi divergent type. Yes as you say he greatly enjoys the quest of existentialism & self concept. I don't think many ESFPs are given the credit they deserve in this domain especially by the MBTI communities. I do struggle to decipher however given the fluidity of his axis whether he's coming at these 'topics' from a more INTJ or ESFP leaning.
Hi Harry Emma B here, as always superlative content! Unrelated to the video but I'd love it (although I know you explore this somewhat on the wiki) if you did deep dives in video format into the divergent, convergent, ambiverted and glider subtypes. Is it fair to say that as subtypes are fluid they're more contingent upon context than being innate preferences? Despite being more default subtype nowadays I'm glad that I don't have to sacrifice my TiNi+ as I move back into this default state. I have however noticed that my young son seems to be a glider ESTP subtype quite akin to the ENTP in some ways: can subtypes show up at an early age? I know you should proceed with caution when ascribing young people a type but to me his cognitive preferences seem very obvious.
Great video, also nice to find out about the wiki, just finished reading your book. I have one question, slightly unrelated to this video, but why use a hexagon shape for the type's graphs? I just don't get it.
Yeah, as an ENTP I really do think like that a lot, like "if I do this thing, this other thing will happen", but this kind of makes me kind of repetitive sometimes I think, even my thoughts are, but it is hard to actually go to action, maybe because I'm one of the more introverted variant.
Maybe it's that your not so much repetitive but rather finely attuned to all the variables that others might miss due to your level of analytical precision but, alas, that can be perceived as repetitive by yourself. As a divergent ENFJ (or at least I was) I can pick up on subtle changes in someone's demeanour quite easily which seems obvious to me but not to others as a point of comparison. Hey sometimes I'm viewed as paranoid but alas I think I'm picking up on micro changes that are happening in real time.
This is interesting! In your earlier videos and book, i understood INFJ to be arranged as - NiTi FeSe - where FeSe is opposing (divergent) to NiTi, also ISTP to be TiNi SeFe - where SeFe is divergent. But in this video you've switched it up - INFJ divergence is SeFe and ISTP is FeSe. Where you meant to do that?
@@vicaduch3347 It has always been this but I can see how it is easy to infer FeSe for an INFJ from the ebook. Rather than reading left to right you read left to middle right to middle
So, when the dominant experiences a change, the inferior experiences a change as well on an unconscious level? For example, an estj's logic adapts after reading a new study that contridicts what they previously knew, and by extension, their values and sense of identity experience change as well.
Yes this is accurate. I might be misrepresenting Harry's theory here but it might be correct to say that convergence influences divergence and vice versa. I wouldn't necessarily call the divergent pairing unconscious either (I'm a divergent ENFJ or at least was and spend much of my type navigating TiNi+ than my FeSe which is as a result much more static). I guess then it's gonna be somewhat contingent upon how fluid one's axis is.
@@ma-cg1il Yes it can be useful to see it as a feedback loop - one aspect of cognition changes and the rest is updated accordingly. So long as the person has integrated the two pairings
I think the Te definition is faulty, including too much Se non Te stuff, and not including that Te structures include social hierarchies and collective or societal truths or facts.So Te does a lot of the same reading of people that Fe does but it's not about emotions or everyone getting along, but hierarchies and everyone acting in an acceptable manner based on the collective structure norms (respect). The INTJ one is more accurate because they actually use Se but still missing a bit. So you should not be talking like ISTJs are not reading the social dynamics in the room like ISFJs are for example. It's just about harmony in beliefs and thinking, rather than in emotions. With Ne-Te- assuming the divergent theory is true, with actual Te... They're just looking for changes in the general patterns of what everyone believes makes sense, decisions, who is in charge, who is not conforming to the acceptable structure. Remember, ISTJs still lead their extraverting with judgement so they look out to people first. It's actually not true that STJs or NTJs aren't reading the room a lot, it's just not emotional based. ISFJs would see who is being immoral, unethical, who is being rude, where the group harmony standards are coming from as they evolve, whose emotional state is diverging from the group. All based on their perspective on what is collectively acceptable ISTJs would see who is not listening, who is being disrespectful to the hierarchy, who is not being rational, who the leaders in the room are that should be obeyed or given reverence, who is thinking differently from the group and is likely to cause disagreement. Again, based on their perspective of the norms
@@dxfifa Keep in mind this is CPT which combines pairings into a single function (lens plus codec) and also introduces attitudes. Divergent Te is more observant and is not about introducing or imposing Fi values to what is observed. Also in CPT Te is the realm of experience and making order out of experience. I do agree with Te being all of what you mention as a single whole, but what you're describing is found more in the convergent variants of Te which are more ecosystemic due to their interactivity. Saying a function is one thing isn't saying the type as a whole is that one thing, as in CPT types use all 16 functions
@@CognitivePersonality It wouldn't mean that they are actively trying to monitor and affect the Te things I mentioned, just that they passively notice the status quo, understand contextual changes in equilibrium in those specific areas based on learned norms. I would say it makes no sense to me whatsoever if divergent Fe does social things in a passive/equilibrium assessment way but divergent Te does not. I think you simply narrow Te too much for the divergent version where it seems like you have Fe more accurate. Or potentially just neglected Te's human focus in IxTJ types. I would argue ISTJs are even the most likely type to have expectations of how people are meant to behave and be sensitive to people not fitting the accepted line of what "everyone thinks is normal". That is due to -Te primarily, with +Si, +FI and -Ne affecting it, which is a concept I've observed in other systems applied in similar ways. INFPs are similar but their Fi Ne being strong tilts them towards a more open position. The reason I bring all of this up is because if these are common traits in my opinion based off of the negative (divergent) functions for ISTJ, then to get a holistic summary for the high beginner/low intermediate viewers I assume this video is made for would require a mention
@@CognitivePersonality On another note though, CPT is actually accurate and close enough to Jungian + Myers Briggs evolution to be useful functionally to type and understand MBTI which is why I critique to find out if there is a hole in your understanding or the system from my understanding rather than desecrate or turn off, like socionics. Whenever socionics use their warped functions or the MBTI code I weep inside. Whatever the merits of it, it's different enough that they need different names for the functions and to only use their 3 letter system. If I see another bubbly and sweet, loud but not dominating, fast talking, curious and tangenting ESFP that thinks they are ENFP because they get typed IEE in socionics I will scream. So many ExFP men also think they're ExTP due to socionics Se definitions and Ne definitions. but ESFP the worst because they talk fast about random stuff so hurr socionics Ne lul.
You might also describe -SiFi as a yearning for the needs that are far from personal. So, the byproduct is - exploring the problems that are not fully acknowledged or solved yet (Ne-Te). Which I guess gives this types academic/political/business slant you’ve mentioned.
This is very insightful and never talked about! Thanks! Also, thanks for organizing it to compare each type with their closest neighbor, however you’d call it, e.g. INFJ vs ISTP. I’d love to hear more of these comparisons.
Hey Harry! It would be really amusing someday to see your thoughts on the “dark” variations of every type (it might be in a “fictional typology” series). You’ve already mentioned fanatic INFJ’s, machiavellian ISTJs or ESTP and moreover. Still, it would be super cool to expose darker archetypes of INFP or INTJ, which are considered the most harmonious in CPT. Also, for the most harmonious types it might be empowering to show their “shadow” side. Kudos!
And you strike gold again. I don't think I've ever seen someone understand cognitive function this well. It's spot on
Love it, divergent functions (or any nuance in MBTI) is rarely talked about!
So true indeed I think the so called 'inferior' function is often neglected all together as it's perceived as playing a very minor not yet integrated role in the psyche.
New cpt video? Time to grab the popcorn.
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Loving the lumberjack look Harry
Thanks for the video, Harry. I appreciate the side by side comparison of NeTe- and TeNe-. It also ties in nicely to the battery analogy you used in one of your videos, and how the negative/divergent functions induce the positive/convergent functions.
Hey Harry You should type people from history and people that are alive today
Nice video! It's very interesting to better understand that the 'negative side' is not necessarily a bad thing in CPT. I really enjoy when you use one video to touch on all personalities-it helps to understand them from different perspectives.
Wake up, Earth. CPT has just graced us with another educative piece
how fun to learn like this! i'm always curious to understand people better. thank you harry
This series is your best imo. Congrats on really bringing this to the next level.
One note. I think the example you gave for divergent Fe-Ne (intp) might give a stronger impression than you intended in that specific people are the focal point of the function rather than a broader predictive utility (which you mentioned). I think it's predictive utility/novelty sensitivity not just for interpersonal behavior but also for the meta-categorical dynamics of systems and psycho-sophical analytical thought.
Correct me if I'm wrong or insufficiently seperating functions, but in my experience the -Fe-Ne might be more about behavioral elements as puzzle pieces.
@@somethingelse2814 You're right for sure, this video talks about the divergent pairings in isolation and is accurate, but combining FeNe- with TiSi+ produces what you describe here
"Any divergent pairing is a reflexive pairing," hmmm...very good. Your background lighting has a purplish hue on my computer, cool.
Yay! Been expectant for this
I’d also like to see the elements version of this
great vid 🔥
really growing that beard out huhh 🔥
where is Harry
Hey Harry! I know within CPT, the SiFi users have a consistent or concrete sense of self, so I want to ask about the ENFPs, typed within your system, that acknowledge things like growth, development, and still being you in different ways (for instance, being black, a student, and an artist), and other things of that nature?
Does it mean that they're aren't "actual" ENFPs or is it something else? Do you get what I mean?
@@justinsarfo829 Hi Justin! So older videos need a rework as in actuality a concrete sense of self usually pertains to the diamond at the core, whereas the outer crust and molten interspace is always changing and growing. So definitely still ENFPs! ISTJs can be more unyielding tho
Interesting, so it's kind of like FiNi/SiFi have "diamond" at the core, while FiSi/NiFi have "abyss" at the core... Referencing the video of functions as elements
I wonder how age can affect our typing journey, and if it's worth typing myself in teen ages. 🤔
Maybe you could make a video about it, or there is already? (How age can affect types)
crazy good, thanks for the lesson, master - ENTP
I guess, one of the -SiFi manifestations is what people call the “scarcity mindset”. Kudos 👍
The nifi - fini is highly elusive to understand, doesn't the divergent types enjoy the quest of existentialism and self concept?
My other half is an ESFP with a highly fluid axis & obviously is a NiFi divergent type. Yes as you say he greatly enjoys the quest of existentialism & self concept. I don't think many ESFPs are given the credit they deserve in this domain especially by the MBTI communities. I do struggle to decipher however given the fluidity of his axis whether he's coming at these 'topics' from a more INTJ or ESFP leaning.
@@aragon9515 Yeah exactly the divergent type does engage in this quest but through actions rather than thoughts
Hi Harry Emma B here, as always superlative content! Unrelated to the video but I'd love it (although I know you explore this somewhat on the wiki) if you did deep dives in video format into the divergent, convergent, ambiverted and glider subtypes. Is it fair to say that as subtypes are fluid they're more contingent upon context than being innate preferences? Despite being more default subtype nowadays I'm glad that I don't have to sacrifice my TiNi+ as I move back into this default state. I have however noticed that my young son seems to be a glider ESTP subtype quite akin to the ENTP in some ways: can subtypes show up at an early age? I know you should proceed with caution when ascribing young people a type but to me his cognitive preferences seem very obvious.
@@AnyaAnnika67 Hi Emma! Yes indeed subtypes are fluid. Might make a subtype video :)
Great video, also nice to find out about the wiki, just finished reading your book.
I have one question, slightly unrelated to this video, but why use a hexagon shape for the type's graphs? I just don't get it.
@@benceberes5663 Yeah I use a different graph these days but the hexagon was used to convey directionality and energy flowing both down and up
Yeah, as an ENTP I really do think like that a lot, like "if I do this thing, this other thing will happen", but this kind of makes me kind of repetitive sometimes I think, even my thoughts are, but it is hard to actually go to action, maybe because I'm one of the more introverted variant.
Maybe it's that your not so much repetitive but rather finely attuned to all the variables that others might miss due to your level of analytical precision but, alas, that can be perceived as repetitive by yourself. As a divergent ENFJ (or at least I was) I can pick up on subtle changes in someone's demeanour quite easily which seems obvious to me but not to others as a point of comparison. Hey sometimes I'm viewed as paranoid but alas I think I'm picking up on micro changes that are happening in real time.
It's having very le Se and Te priority that makes action hard
This is interesting! In your earlier videos and book, i understood INFJ to be arranged as - NiTi FeSe - where FeSe is opposing (divergent) to NiTi, also ISTP to be TiNi SeFe - where SeFe is divergent. But in this video you've switched it up - INFJ divergence is SeFe and ISTP is FeSe. Where you meant to do that?
@@vicaduch3347 It has always been this but I can see how it is easy to infer FeSe for an INFJ from the ebook. Rather than reading left to right you read left to middle right to middle
Stop changing your look you only get more handsome each time
Are you a SIMP?
for harry, of course. Are you not?
@@Nøddeknækkeren Sensual Intelligent Masculine Person? No I'm a positively inspiring and motivating person.
ESTP, being an extrovert, still abided by Ne-Te - does this fact set opportunistic tendencies for this type? Cheers!
@@courierquest5345 Aye because they have both ISTJ and ENFP readily accessible!
So, when the dominant experiences a change, the inferior experiences a change as well on an unconscious level?
For example, an estj's logic adapts after reading a new study that contridicts what they previously knew, and by extension, their values and sense of identity experience change as well.
Yes this is accurate. I might be misrepresenting Harry's theory here but it might be correct to say that convergence influences divergence and vice versa. I wouldn't necessarily call the divergent pairing unconscious either (I'm a divergent ENFJ or at least was and spend much of my type navigating TiNi+ than my FeSe which is as a result much more static). I guess then it's gonna be somewhat contingent upon how fluid one's axis is.
@@ma-cg1il Yes it can be useful to see it as a feedback loop - one aspect of cognition changes and the rest is updated accordingly. So long as the person has integrated the two pairings
I am a harry and im chopping a tree...choppy choppy choppy, choppy choppy choppy
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I think the Te definition is faulty, including too much Se non Te stuff, and not including that Te structures include social hierarchies and collective or societal truths or facts.So Te does a lot of the same reading of people that Fe does but it's not about emotions or everyone getting along, but hierarchies and everyone acting in an acceptable manner based on the collective structure norms (respect). The INTJ one is more accurate because they actually use Se but still missing a bit.
So you should not be talking like ISTJs are not reading the social dynamics in the room like ISFJs are for example. It's just about harmony in beliefs and thinking, rather than in emotions. With Ne-Te- assuming the divergent theory is true, with actual Te... They're just looking for changes in the general patterns of what everyone believes makes sense, decisions, who is in charge, who is not conforming to the acceptable structure. Remember, ISTJs still lead their extraverting with judgement so they look out to people first. It's actually not true that STJs or NTJs aren't reading the room a lot, it's just not emotional based.
ISFJs would see who is being immoral, unethical, who is being rude, where the group harmony standards are coming from as they evolve, whose emotional state is diverging from the group. All based on their perspective on what is collectively acceptable
ISTJs would see who is not listening, who is being disrespectful to the hierarchy, who is not being rational, who the leaders in the room are that should be obeyed or given reverence, who is thinking differently from the group and is likely to cause disagreement. Again, based on their perspective of the norms
@@dxfifa Keep in mind this is CPT which combines pairings into a single function (lens plus codec) and also introduces attitudes. Divergent Te is more observant and is not about introducing or imposing Fi values to what is observed.
Also in CPT Te is the realm of experience and making order out of experience. I do agree with Te being all of what you mention as a single whole, but what you're describing is found more in the convergent variants of Te which are more ecosystemic due to their interactivity.
Saying a function is one thing isn't saying the type as a whole is that one thing, as in CPT types use all 16 functions
@@CognitivePersonality It wouldn't mean that they are actively trying to monitor and affect the Te things I mentioned, just that they passively notice the status quo, understand contextual changes in equilibrium in those specific areas based on learned norms.
I would say it makes no sense to me whatsoever if divergent Fe does social things in a passive/equilibrium assessment way but divergent Te does not. I think you simply narrow Te too much for the divergent version where it seems like you have Fe more accurate. Or potentially just neglected Te's human focus in IxTJ types.
I would argue ISTJs are even the most likely type to have expectations of how people are meant to behave and be sensitive to people not fitting the accepted line of what "everyone thinks is normal". That is due to -Te primarily, with +Si, +FI and -Ne affecting it, which is a concept I've observed in other systems applied in similar ways. INFPs are similar but their Fi Ne being strong tilts them towards a more open position.
The reason I bring all of this up is because if these are common traits in my opinion based off of the negative (divergent) functions for ISTJ, then to get a holistic summary for the high beginner/low intermediate viewers I assume this video is made for would require a mention
@@CognitivePersonality On another note though, CPT is actually accurate and close enough to Jungian + Myers Briggs evolution to be useful functionally to type and understand MBTI which is why I critique to find out if there is a hole in your understanding or the system from my understanding rather than desecrate or turn off, like socionics.
Whenever socionics use their warped functions or the MBTI code I weep inside. Whatever the merits of it, it's different enough that they need different names for the functions and to only use their 3 letter system. If I see another bubbly and sweet, loud but not dominating, fast talking, curious and tangenting ESFP that thinks they are ENFP because they get typed IEE in socionics I will scream. So many ExFP men also think they're ExTP due to socionics Se definitions and Ne definitions. but ESFP the worst because they talk fast about random stuff so hurr socionics Ne lul.
Hope to see a video similar to this about the Convergent functions!
It already exists or at least it does in parts.
Guide to 16 cognitive functions.
Infj vs istp.
Finding your type.
I vouch for that. Maybe in it's core more than how it manifests in real life.