Replacing RX6800XT Thermal Pads with Thermal Putty (TG-PP10)
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
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In this video I replace the stock thermal pads on a Gigabyte RX6800XT with TG-PP10 Thermal Putty, with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut on the GPU die.
I used a total of 86 grams of putty on this card. At a bulk cost of $0.29165 CAD/ gram (1kg tub) that equals $25.08 CAD ($19.92 USD).
Not the results I was expecting but not any worse than stock. I've previously replaced pads on 3070'sm 3080''s and 3090's using this Thermal Putty with excellent results. Here are links to those putty jobs with before and after temperatures.
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I just changed thermal pads in my MSI G65 RTX 2060 i7 Laptop with T-Global TG-PP10, and dropped a massive 20% on cpu and gpu. Amazing !
Nice. Glad you got some good temperatures. Not sure if you've seen my other videos, but there are now some even higher performing Putties available.
@@snarksdomain Any recommendations ?
@@auslad For highest performance either Penchem TH949-1 or EVGA Putty, Next I'd use Upsiren U6 Pro followed by Jeyi 8100, then Penchem TH855-5, and finally Penchem TH930 (which gets similar results to TG-PP10
@@snarksdomain Wow, thanks for the fast response, excellent...Penchem TH949-1 too expensive for me, cannot find EVGA Putty on their website. I see U6 Pro on Aliexpress, it's got a higher W/mK so I might give that a go on my other laptop. Cheers Mate : ) *SUBSCRIBED*
Upsiren and apply a thin even square on RAM. The concept of thermal paste is the same. To much makes it hold heat versus transfer. Look at how PlayStation 5 puddy is applied. I bought some for my series S with great results.
Wow, that is WAAAAAY too much putty. 20g should be more than sufficient for a single GPU, and you're using so much that it is all just getting displaced. In fact, you can see the putty even forming between the VRMs and the VRAM at the base, which means that you might have even created an insulating layer around them. If you want to put a single continuous line on the top of the VRMs, that's fine to reduce the work. But, you really should have only put a single dot on top of each VRAM chip.
Source: used 50g between two GPUs. Dropped about 8 degrees on a watercooled GPU
I'd agree I used too much during this application.
I've used the dot/ball method on my R9 290X's and RX580's but I prefer the line method now. I've gradually started using less on each card. Even when I used lots it was still usually less than $20 CAD worth of putty.
I do tend to use extra on Founders Edition cards as I'll put putty where there wasn't anything before for some models. Obviously a 3090 uses the most putty of any card with it's 24 VRAM chips.
Hey, would you be able to help me with the amount I need to put on a 3080ti galax sg, although i'm buying upsiren ux pro since there isn't any tgpp10
For better performance you need to add some copper pads between paste.
Yeah, I've done that in a few of my other videos, although I recommend not using thermal paste. Putty is the best fit with Copper or Aluminum shims.
@@snarksdomain I would like to do it with layers: Kapton tape, Putty, copper shims, Putty, but I do not know thickness of gap between VRAM and cold plate for Gigabyte Radeon RX 6900 XT Gaming OC.
@geeker9545 kapton tape is only to protect the PCB around the VRAM, and not on the VRAM itself.
To figure out the gap you might want to either each some teardown guides for your card, or dissassemble it and measure the oem pads.
If your pads are 2mm then the gap is likely around 1.8mm (so then use MAXIMUM 1.6mm shim).
If 1.5mm pad, then likely 1.3mm gap, so use MAXIMUM 1mm shim.
1mm pad, use 0.6mm shim.
EDIT: Also, don't hesitate to use Aluminum shims instead if if means less work and cheaper for you. They will perform basically identical to the copper shims.
@geeker9545 no worries. Yeah for sure.
Are those 2mm pads, installed by Gigabyte? They look thicker than 1.5mm.
What thickness of pad to you think for an MSI Gaming Trio X 6800xt.
I'd like to have the proper pads on hand when taking the card apart.
I believe the VRAM pads were 2mm.
I've moved away from using pads at all these days. Since I made this video a lot had happened with Thermal Putty. TG-PP10 got discontinued, and I started the hunt for a suitable replacement. What I found is that we have MUCH better thermal putties available. I recommend that you take a look at the charts located on the Google Drive link below (Test Chart Repository > VRAM TIM > ETCHASH)
A 6800XT will use anywhere between 50 and 70 grams. I used too much putty when I did this card with TG-PP10 originally. For a better application you may want to watch my Thermal Putty Gude video I made recently.
These days you can get 100g of a top performing putty for around $35 CAD on Aliexpress and it usually takes 10-14 days for it to arrive.
Whichever route you go, putty or pads, I'd consider using a Phase Change Material on the core such as PTM7950, Upsiren PCM-1 or Thermalright Heilos
Why do you think the hotspot temperature didn't decrease even though you repasted the die with Kryonaut? I plan to repaste my XFX SWFT 6800 XT with either PTM 7950 or UPSIREN PCM-1 but it seems like it is not worth the hassle if it won't improve the core and hotspot temperatures.
I believe in this scenario the hotspot was showing the temperature of the VRAM and not the core. Mining Ethereum was mostly memory intensive, but the setting I used in this video were not efficient settings at all for this use case, so not ideal.
I've since found higher performing thermal putties now that TG-PP10 was discontinued.
I don't consider Kryonaut a great option anymore as it tends to dry out. I still need to test it on Testbench 2.1 though to compare to the other solutions.
@yagizdolgun it's possible my card has more sensors, but perhaps the version of HWINFO64 I had back then didn't show them. I should test it again. I know that in HiveOS (Linux) it shows the VRAM temperature.
105 seems high, and makes me wonder if it's actually the VRAM, rather than elsewhere on the card? Especially if the card isn't throttled.
Mine is GDDR6 as well. My older testing is not as good as my current testing as I didn't have the ab8lity to log ambient temps. I hope some day my testing will be improved further, but that make take some time to be able to afford to make some of the improvements I can think of.
@@snarksdomain Why do you think it can result from the VRAM? I suppose the hotspot temperature is measured from the GPU die. HWInfo has a sensor item called GPU memory junction temperature and it is 70 °C at most. GPU VR SoC temperature is 87 °C as well.
@yagizdolgun I must be mistaken then. If you have a hotspot temp of 105 then it's definitely worth a repaste or Phase Change Material.
@@snarksdomainAfter repasting my XFX SWFT 6800 XT with PTM 7950 without changing the stock pads, I can now confirm that the hotspot temperature is measured only from the GPU die, not from VRAMs or VRMs.
At 1050 mV and 2400 RPM, my GPU's core and hotspot temperatures were respectively 70 °C - 105 °C. After PTM 7950, they are 70 °C - 84 °C at 1050 mV and 1500 RPM. The difference is huge.
would cooling the back of the gpu die help? my 6800xt just has a hole on the backplate and nothing contacting the back of the gpu die.
I think it would help. Gigabyte had a thermal pad between die and backplate on this card just for that purpose, which I replaced woth thermal putty.
If there is just a hole then perhaps just some airflow directed over the back may help.
If you wanted to get adventurous with it then you could use putty and add on a large/then aluminum block with fins. I'd use 4 pieces of thermal tape on the back plate to connect to the add-on aluminum block to hold it in place so that the addon become part of the backplate...maybe even a zip-tie or 2. The other option would be to see if there are aftermarket backplate without the hole where the die is.
Thermal Conductivity of copper based PCB ranges from 1-8 W/mK so we won't be able to cool tons of the Die heat this way, but perhaps it would help cool some of the backside capacitors/resistors(?).
@@snarksdomain I was actually looking through my pile of tech garbage to see if i had a heatsink small enough to fit on the back side, but then I realize my CPU cooler (NH D15) is blocking any chance of putting something larger than 1 inch on the back of the GPU pcb. if I find a slab of metal that can fit, I will try that with the thermal putty I have.
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@@snarksdomain So i replaced my CPU cooler to an AIO to make space, and had a GPU from early 2000's that has a low profile cooler on it, slapped it on and have seen some improvements, during heavy game play, my gpu temp is 67 and my hotspot temp is 85 were as before my hotspot would be approaching 100
I just wanna know if putty on the inductors can reduce coil whine? I know about the super glue trick but that is permanent.
I've read a few accounts of it doing a little coil noise suppression. Worth a shot.
You can get rid of all if not most coil whine if you undervolt your gpu (with no or hardly any performance loss):
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@@nekron75 That is snake oil. I have tested heavy undervolts on my GPU and it doesn't help at all. Maybe it helps with a certain amount of gpus but does nothing for mine.
Такой деремовый охлад у гиги !!! У меня была asus tuf rx6900xt в майнинге eth +ton и не было таких адских температур и обороты до 70 процентов ! частота до 1900 долбила 62 эфира и 4300 тон (пять месяцев ) потом обменялся с доплатой на 3090 ))) Вот такая вот история ))
Кстати жор был не более до 250 вт !!!
Yes. The 6900XT only has GDDR6 so it runs cool. I have 6800XT with similar cool temperatures. It also liked ETH+TON.
It is the GDDR6X that struggles with temperature, especially the 3090 with VRAM on both sides. The backplate VRAM needs all the help it can get.
I've tweaked the OC and am getting better temps now.
I put my 6800xt on top of a 5700xt, on an Intel Z390 motherboard. The 6800xt got hot in the middle of the night. Got home and the room was 110F. She still had the hammer out hashing away.
It had always ran average of 60C, most of the time. Something changed that night, but it's still working awesome as my daily GPU. No mining of course.
The 6800xt was doing nothing, compared to the 5700xt in hash rate. They were mining 2 different varieties, of course. My old 9900KF was mining more than the 6800xt. It was so new at the time, perhaps mining hadn't optimized for the 6000 series either.
I had them and really had no intention of selling, at the time. I Went ahead and bought a ribbon PCIe cable to let the 6800xt breathe a little... I'll Never use it again....😁😶😭
I can say the same, for the 9900Kf and the 5700xt in a corsair 4000X glass front case. Was great for a split second of life, then poof the lifespan is over....
That 'brand new' 4000x would absolutely cook my 13700k let alone the 9900Kf. I bought the PC case cheap, but no airflow; for a 360AIO mounted in the front of the PC.
3:30 am I crazy? Is this not an extreme amount of thermal paste that's gonna go everywhere once you tighten the card on? Or is the gap between the components and the heatsink just that big?
Hey David. This is a bit different than thermal paste. It's generally called Thermal Putty. It's halfway between a paste and a pad and is designed as a highly thermal conductive gap filler. The gap between the VRAM and cooler is 1.8mm (and normally uses 2mm pads).
I did use too much in this video. A better representation of how to correctly use Thermal Putty is here: ua-cam.com/video/MhrykJtrfBA/v-deo.htmlsi=CfY56IP-wH0ne8SQ
You can also check out the latest charts on the Google Drive here: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1CAJP7ojt3jaGxBrJNTzd1Kp5-gikdh_8?usp=sharing
@@snarksdomain I meant to say thermal putty yeah, and ok that makes more sense now. I imagine it doesn't matter too much if it spills over other than being ugly if it's ever taken apart again. Thanks for clarifying. Have a good one!
You can’t compare it apple to apple, I’ll tell you why.
You should have locked the clock on the Memory and GPU chip, otherwise when it gets better and comfortable it will get Overclocked slightly or just work like it supposed to work full power because now it is feeling cold so you get more boost but the temperature is the same..
In that case if your memory and GPU were the same clock as before you could see a big difference than you expected, maybe a 5 degree more/less
You are correct. I've since achieved more accurate testing and am making further improvements soon to log ambient temperature.
We also have much better putties available now :) feel free to check out my more recent videos if interested.
Hey is the performance gonna be so much worse if I don’t put the the putty between the back plate like for example under the die socket?? Got. A 7900xtx and wondering if I have to put it only on vram or also in the back as u did, and if on the back where specifically
For most cards you can skip the backplate if you like. The one exception being a 3090 with it's 12 VRAM modules on that side. Those would be the ones that get the hottest since they aren't getting active cooling.
If you do put putty on the backplate then you simply replace any thermal pad you find there. I like to take a picture of the card when I first get it apart, that way I'll always have a reference for where the manufacturer had pads.
@@snarksdomain ok got it! Thanks!
Um. Pal. That putty isnt meant for the die. Only peripheral ics (vram, vrm MOSFETs). You should only ever use thermal paste
I used Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut on the die. I spread a thin layer and then add a tiny "doot" in the middle.
I used TG-PP10 on the core of an EVGA 3080 XC3 for testing purposes. It netted a core temp of 2-3 degrees higher, but that could also partially be from the VRAM having better access to the cold plate via the copper shims.
Hi, I want togive my GPU a repaste and repad, but since I haven't opened it up yet before (the warrant has only ended just last month) I'm not sure of how much pad should I use/buy and how thick is their pads, does the 6800 (non-XT) have the same amount of vram chips and pad thickness as the XT version?
Lastly, what's the dimension for both the vram chips and the gpu die?
my RX 6800 variant is the XFX 319 SWFT
tearing it down first just to find out seems to be a waste of time for me as I currently don't have any paste left
It should use the same number of VRAM chips, but I'm not sure if the pads or gap heights are similar.
You may want to look into fitting Thermal Putty instead of pads. That way there is no need to find out ahead of time how thick each pad is. If you get about 70g it would be enough for the whole card, maybe even 50g could do it. This amount is different for each different make/model.
You can find a chart of putties I've tested so far in a Google Drive link on my UA-cam channel "About" page.
@@snarksdomain ah I see, so 20 grams ain't enough then? Upsiren is quite pricey here in Indonesia, around $20 (UX PRO) and $15 (U6 PRO) at 20g. What about the dimensions of the vram chips and the gpu die? I've been thinking on using PTM7950 for the gpu die.
@@hadifelani 20g is not enough for a GPU. 50g might be enough.
PTM7950 on the core is a good idea.
@@snarksdomain dully noted, thanks for the info
@@hadifelanihey, I have the same GPU (XFX SWFT 6800 XT) and I want to change its pads with thermal putty and repaste it with UPSIREN PCM-1. What did you end up with and how much putty did you use?
You do know that applying putty to vrm vram and the rest doesn't lower your gpu core/cpu temp right, you dodn't show any of those temps
Yeah for sure. I was only trying to improve VRAM temperatures.
Since I made this video, TG-PP10 was discontinued and I went on a hunt for alternatives. I've since discovered several putties that perform even better than TG-PP10 did.
Currently the best performing putty I have tested is Upsiren UX Pro. Feel free to check out some of my more recent videos to see relative performance of different putties/pads/shims.
On the Core and on CPU's I now recommend Honeywell PTM7950 sheet. Hopefully we can soon buy PTM7958 sheet as it is supposed to be even better than PTM7950.
It's like you are making a cake xD
I can't wait to try this when I buy a new gpu!
What would happen if I put putty in a place I shouldn't?
That depends. If you filled an HDMI port, it would make it difficult to plug a cable in. It's not electrically conductive, so it won't damage anything that way.
I'm from the U.S. can't find this stuff anywhere. Where do you buy it?
TG-PP10 was discontinued about a month ago. It is no longer manufactured. I'm now on the hunt for an alternative putty to use. You can watch my putty testing videos for reference.
Currently the most promising looking one is Jeyi Putty from Aliexpress. I also have a few other putties ordered for testing so will post another video of those once I receive them.
Jeyi actually performs better than TG-PP10 in my test, but I have no info on longevity of the Jeyi Putty.
TG-NSP80 transfers heat even faster than Gelid Ultimate pads, but it's quite expensive.
I buy putty from either Digikey or Aliexpress so far. I don't e ecommend K5 Pro, personally. It transfers heat slower than cheap Amazon foam thermal pads.
Currently some TG-PP10 in stock on digikey, but it looks like Penchem TH930 will be a viable alternative and is also available on Digikey
Can i send u my rx 6800 xt se lol I'm terrified to open mine as I don't want to lose warranty. How do I know if it needs repasting?
If your GPU core temperatures are high and you find it's thermal throttling, it might be time for a repaste.
You can install HWINFO64 and track temperatures and frequencies/voltages. You can also run some benchmarks to see if your card is performing as expected.
How old is your card? Have you noticed a change in it's performance?
@@snarksdomain I havnt used my pc much in the past few months but I bought the card on release. I've noticed card does not like the amd overclock option anymore it usually gives me a wattman error whereas the cpu if fine
@@iiTzHaroon when does your warranty period end? You might be able to RMA it and have it repadded/pasted by the manufacturer?
@@snarksdomain I have frequently been getting grey screens once I waited 5mins and the pc went back to normal but usually I have to turn it off from the plug. I'm not certain but a quick search showed the retailer i bought it from is meant to provide 2yr warranty and then AMD provide a further 2 year warranty so i could do that but I don't think they will replace the thermal pads and paste unless the gpu is actually faulty.
@iiTzHaroon What you're describing sounds like something that will be covered under warranty. It would at least be worth trying, I think.
i found some really good putty. which is rare so i bought all the available inventory that the shop had. its called Upsiren u6 pro thermal putty. 12.81w/k and i used liquid metal and kingpin thermal paste. for my sapphire toxic 6900xt air cooled version. dropped 1Odegrees on my 3dmark runs. also gigabyte cards with that type of cooling block wont see much difference due to its like reference card spec. you should grab either a sapphire or xfx fan block the difference is night and day.
Way too much and will conduct and hold heat. A dot on each capacitor is all that’s needed
I tend to use it like a thermal pad. Lately I'll lay a strip of it down using a syringe. For a 1.8mm gap (2mm original pad), I use a 6mm diameter "rope" laid across a row of VRAM.
i cant seem to find this putty anywhere in UK, is there an alternative you can recommend?
Unfortunately it was discontinued a couple weeks ago. The next vest putty might be TG-NSP80 but I haven't tested it yet. It's rated at 8.3 W/mK.
I no longer just use putty on cards, but rather use copper shims plus putty. This is where the putty excels as it fills the tiny gap between the copper shims and VRAM very well with good compralessability, but doesn't dry like Thermal paste (as many people use thermal paste with copper shims). Then I use just putty for the VRM's.
I plan on getting some TG-NSP80 for testing and will compare it's effectiveness vs TG-PP10
Currently some TG-PP10 in stock on digikey, but it looks like Penchem TH930 will be a viable alternative and is also available on Digikey
how many grams did you use total?
86 grams. I wrote it in the description but maybe I forgot to mention that in the video.
I typically use less now than I did before so could likely do it with 70 grams or less.
If using copper shims then even less than that.
@@snarksdomain tks very much, and I am very sorry for not reading the description. I am thinking on shims with kapton tape. My gpu and memories is not bad, but my t-junction tempearature very high.
@@MarcosRodrigues-hg3nj Yeah, I really like Copper shims. Kapton tape is definitley Ideal and doesn't actually take that long to do.
For Shim thickness a good rough estimate is 70-80% of desgined thermal pad thickness. The extremely imortant part being to make sure the copper shim is SMALLER than the gap you are trying to fill. The putty will do the rest.
Since Thermal pads get compressed during assembly you have to ensure you dont try using a 2mm copper shim in place of a 2mm thermal pad as if will apply a lot of force to the PCB and things won't work out so well.
Some folks use Thermal Paste, but that can pump out, bake, dry, and become powdery. It doesn't retain it's softness like a thermal putty will. K5 Pro should be avided as it will boil and pump out as welll since it's not a true putty, but rather a "Viscous thermal paste".
If you have any questios be sure to reply to a comment and ask there and I'll try to reply when I can :)
Da f just i see 😑🥴😑
You just saw an old video where I was still using TG-PP10 on a GPU. Using much higher performing putties now.