WRONG Bus Compressors Can RUIN Your Mix...
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- Miami explains the proper pairings for bus compressors and shows you when to use each type. Do you agree with these choices, or would you do something different? Let us know in the comments!
0:00 Introduction
1:53 Drum Bus Compression
3:53 Bass Bus Compression
5:15 Guitar Bus Compression
7:00 Vocal Bus Compression
8:21 Recap
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I needed this video so bad right now. You guys are insane! ❤
Glad to be able to help Bredda! Lmk if any light bulbs go off once you’ve finished the video!
-Miami
@@joeymusic Light bulbs did indeed go off as usual. Thanks for the consistent greatness
Summary
BUS Compressors
DRUM BUS - VCA
BASS BUS -
FET(1176) or VCA for fast songs
OPTO (LA2A) Tube (Fairchild) - finger slow songs
GUITARS
VCA - SSL comp or API 2500
- Never use FET
-OPTO can only be used smoothing out acoustic
-Tube nice color to help guitars seat on a mix, spec on mid temp music
VOCALS
-LA2A and 1176 in unison
-LA2A and other OPTO
- Aggressive vocals (FETS)
-Tube is amazing on vocals
TNANK YOU BRO LUVVV!!
Not gonna lie this is like the best video to go back to so you don’t have to waste time applying and testing every different type of compressor
I recommend everyone save this vid for reference
Glad you think so! Let me know if it ends up being helpful
-Miami
Really great, concise content, with super fresh delivery. Subscribed!
Yo Miami, you make learning even funner. Love the energy!
Always love the content Miami !
Always love having you here 🙂
-Miami
This is really useful! Thanks, Miami!
peace king, just showing. Love seeing and learning from us
I really love the way these were demoed! Would love to see all videos demo this way :)
Ok, we will make a habit of it!
-Miami
1:05 I really love what this man does
Great stuff! Probably diode-bridge compressors (like the Neve 2254 and 33609 or the Chandler Zener Limiter) would have deserved to be mentioned as they are favourites for many of the sources showcased in this video (and they tend to have quite flexible parameters too). Also it's not completely true that opto compressors don't have fully tweakable attack and release times: the old LA-2A and LA-3A don't, but there are many optos which do have tweakable attack and release, like the Tube-Tech CL-1B, the Pendulum OCL-2 and even the FMR Audio RNLA!
Awesome!! thank you Miami!!!
Super helpful video, as always
Never really had the time to sit down and compare different bus compressors like this! Thanks! Mostly just reinforced my tastes, but some things stood out as things I'll definitely have to try on my next mix.
Ayyyy this channel is always helping me level up quick ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Thanks Thai! We gotta collab soon
-Miami
Awesome, thanks for this!
Looking fresh brother! Good video!
It was time to get fresh 😂. Glad you liked the video
-Miami
As always Miami, to the point! Thanks.
Anytime, Nacio! Glad you enjoyed it
-Miami
This was the video I needed. Thanks bro!
Anytime my friend! Let’s do that lunch soon
-Miami
I've been doing some things this way but when it came to guitars it was a few things I experimented and somewhat tried doing what I saw Engineers use on here within the box (ITB). I was against double stacking compression on vocals but you've taught me it's cool on vocal buss itself. I've been working on Jazz a lot but once I tap into this vocal stuff I want it to be on point.I do Live Sound as well!! Thanks for this info!!!
Perfectly explained thank you!
I was really trying to be concise, thank you
-Miami
I honestly loves multi band compression paired with another compression on all of my sources. Big TDR user here
As always, on point my dude
I've been successfully using the Buzz Audio SOC-20 on 2-bus. It's an optical compressor, but the M/S feature is gold.
MIami, why are you so smooth? And thanks for the examples, I want to use VCAs more now
Dude vcas are the most versatile for sure! And I appreciate that a lot
-Miami
You guys are the best!
I mostly use SSL Comp on Drums and sometimes bass. I usually use DBX 160 on bass, guitars and keys. I stumbled across this video Ive been meaning to study the difference of FET ,VCA and Opto . Thankful for this vid I will look at the breakdowns you have as well. I was used to getting into the session and going which I've had many good outcomes but I want to still know more. Blessings man be cool and safe!!!!
Make sure to check out the explanation video! It will help out a lot, I tried to unpack it in the shortest and most explanatory way possible!
-Miami
Good stuff. Did I miss something or did most of the examples have a static image of the plugin? Would have been great to see the GR. Still useful though. Thanks!
Yeah sorry about that. Everything was hitting about 3 db of gain reduction, 3/4:1 ratio
-Miami
Loving the content!
I definitely overuse tube processes compared to other mixers, but I guess that's my 'sound'.
I don't get a lot of metal gigs :P
It can add so much vibe to non metal mixes!
-Miami
great video thank you sir
Props for recording that outro fresh for every video instead of having just done it once and slapping it at the end
Lmao FINALLY AFTER A YEAR OF THIS SOMEONE NOTICED THIS!
-Miami
The MJUC is such a g.o.a.t. plugin! Glad to see it showcased. :D
People really be sleeping on it
-Miami
For more "compression sensitive" things like clean, low-mid gain guitars and vocals (i'm personally, really particular on vocal compression.)- The native Cubase compressor turned to peak focus, has always been a reliable bus compressor in my toolbox. It's totally digital, but has a transparent sound that'll work on any source.
One third-party comp that I do love on select sources; is Kush's Novatron. It can have a lot of color and vibe, stay clean, or get nice and dirty depending on the settings- but it sounds massive and magnificent! It's a beast in of itself!
Otherwise, I'm a VCA guy for the 2-bus and drum duties. Not big on the Waves SSL versions though!
I haven’t used that compressor in forever! I remember it being dope tho
-Miami
just found this channel. youre good.!
WOW, tube does sound great in vocals. The 1176 + LA2A combination used to be my go to choice, I like that the 1176 makes stuff even and upfront and the LA2A kinda beefs it all up. How do you guys use the tube ones? Alone or in exchange for the LA2A (or the other)?
I actually use all 4 for vocals. SSL E channel -> 1176 -> LA2A -> Fairchild, haven't had any complaints yet 🤷🏾♂
Please make a video on things that intermediate mixers can do to up the mix quality and become professional!
I really like your personality
Thanks for the knowledge, eh
I learned a lot
Good video. The correct compressor is very important.
One of the most important things in audio!
-Miami
Talk about the distressor, it works on EVERYTHING!!!
Not missing the point here. I do dig those vox examples. What is that song and where can we hear the full track?
Great video! Thank you. I do have a question about Vocal compression. You mentioned using an LA-2A and a 1176 in unison. Do you mean in a series? 1176 first then a LA-2a in the inserts?
Amazing video Miami 🦇😈
Thanks so much. Hope it was helpful
-Miami
Good stuff Miami. I was curious how you felt about Smash n Grab from GetGood. I watched Misha use it on every mix bus and it didn’t sound too bad.
Sharing Them Gems 💎
Just a lil bit!
-Miami
I do the same thing, but with a Nakamichi CR-7 cassette deck that I bought from the thrift store for about $25. It sounds a lot better than those plugins and restores most of the analog soul that the DAW has managed to snatch away
I feel like i am back in the 80 … great :)
love this
Great job on the thumbs up transition! LOL
Lmao I gotta find a way to make that my thing 🤣🤣🤣
-Miami
I use the CLA Mix Bus Comp.. nails it.
The attack of tube comps are actually very similar to classic VCAs. It’s the release which is usually slower. The G bus and Fairchild both share a minimum attack of 200ms just different slapback tendancies 😂
I almost replace most my compressor on my channels and busses with Novatron it’s like a swiss army knife. Can go fetish, fairchildish, and vca.. and sounds amazing on master bus glueing mixes.. best on drum bus! Versatility is insane..
I’m going to have to check that one out
-Miami
@@joeymusic I trust the developer because he’s a drummer, a producer, and also part of making the hardware it was emulated on. And has the best compression hearing tutorial on youtube Ive seen so far.
this is great stuff. i know this is off topic but wasnt there supposed to be a Free sample pack coming up of drum samples? i think awhile back you ask for participants to send in their drum samples.
Yes, this is still coming out Robert. I just want to extend it a little longer to get more entries. I’ll explain on Instagram soon.
-Miami
Ive been searching for hours to whether me putting limiters after my bus comp is a normal thing? Apparently not, but the fact you think in the same way is good enough for me. Control those dynamics completely
FET and Tube for the win, Vca and Opto is nice. shout out to logic stock comps tho
People love that stock logic stuff
-Miami
Miami is the Shure!
I dont compress hi gain, and hardly compress mid gain, I compress cleans loads (usually with the Klanghelm DC1A3 for clean , Mid gain, or Leads).
Bass I tend to use what ever I feel like at the time, and for me I worry more about the saturation/clipping and just use the comp too catch peaks
Drums I use an 1176 Emulation
on the stereo bus I used an SSL based plugin into a Klanghelm MJUCjr (the MJUCjr is just for glue and the needle hardly moves, it adds depth to the low end, the SSL on auto giving 1-3 Db gain reduction)
I use Saturation as well on Buses
Quick questions on drum bus compression (personal taste). Do you send everything to the bus compressor, or just shells, or depends on the mix?
In this song I sent everything. Sometimessss I’ll send the shells to one bus and cymbals to another bus. Using a slower comp on the cymbals makes them not as bitey and using a vca on the shells really let’s you dial in the attack and release appropriate for the song
-Miami
It's quite funny to hear you sorting compressors by hardware type when they are just algorythms for most people.
Very useful though, thank you.
Lmao because that’s how I know them. I have the hardware versions of all of these except the tube ones. The plugins are made to act like their hardware equivalents so I hope it gets the point across 😀
-Miami
@@joeymusic It does 👍
Can I just ask about bass compression? The GR meter was just dead there is that what I should be looking for?
Glad you commented on it. There was actually zero change. I think they forgot to put a real bass being compressed by the different compressors so they could be put to test. Why use a midi bass that's already hyper compressed as an example? Clearly the bass example part was a mistake. The rest was awesome.
I like Rvox from waves it’s simple and less stress vocals
Rvox is a great plugin. A staple
-Miami
Id honsetly love a clear document on all the compressors and their specialties so I have a quick reference. My gold fish memory wont remember any of this haha. Still a great video!
It’s on the way
-Miami
@@joeymusic amazing! You are a legend.
strange question but.. what mic are you using and what did you put on your channelstrip I hear some distortion and a nice crispy top end!
My speaking mic? A rode nt55. What channel strip are you referring to?
@@joeymusic thanks for responding! is that the mic going direct in to a pre amp or something it sounds very good!
Could the compressor be the reason my guitars mid-high range is grindly hissy? When I cut the gain I lose tone, when I cut the highs it loses power .. but there is a consistent hiss, almost like someone breathing hot breath on the you 😩
You know, like when someone's breath is terrible but they want you to know it. Yeah, that sound.
Best tip: Just use stock compressor or Fabfilter-c and use other plugin for coloring. Best advice ever.
I almost always want a lil color tho lmao
-Miami
@@WillBergIV are they adding that?
Worst advice ever. Why use multiple plugins when one can do the trick? Simpler and more time efficient.
@@MrMahn21 Because you cant control the coloring apart from the compression on those plugins. More control means you can make it more like how it sounds in your head. Also not sounding like everyone else is important. This is for a mixing and mastering perspective.
Analog Emulations changes phasing through harmonic distortion. The only real reason besides saturation to use Analog Emulators. Your argument isn’t valid because it does more than simple color as every unit pushes different harmonics and changes in the time domain. Use what ever the mix bus needs. Sometimes it‘s a fast digital linear compression, sometimes it‘s the non-linearity that you need.
And, you totally forgot to mention the diode bridge compressors for their gooey richness!!!
SSL Type G always lives in my master bus.
However, for some reason, I liked 1176 style on guitar busses…
It adds a nice distortion but it’s also pretty noisy lol. Maybe that’s a sound you want to try out more often!
-Miami
Man, use slate vbc rack. That will certainly answer most of our questions.....!!!!!
I love to use SSL on everything, except bass I like to use API for bass. 1176 works on almost everything, even if it's weird somehow it's still awesome! Great video !
Thanks for checking it out my friend! All Api stuff absolutely kills on bass, especially the preamps!
-Miami
What about compressors that aren't analogue modeled like most stock compressors, how do they fit into this and what settings wiuld you recommend, since most of them are really adaptable which overwhelms you with options a bit. I use Maximus for both singleband and multiband compression and I'm gonna be honest, I usually just f*ck around and find out, since i don't really know any guidelines for what settings are good for what. A lot of tutorials like this always asume that you are working with analogue modeled stuff that doesn't have a lot of options so the type is important for specific tasks but I'm gonna be honest, I just dont have the money to waste it on a dozen different compressors. I mean if I want 'colour' I can just use a saturation plugin, no need for expensive analogue modeled stuff.
It’s hard to answer this but the sage way on a mix bus is 1-3 db of gain reduction with a 2:1 or 4:1 ratio
-Miami
can i use a compressor and limiter on drum bus? if so why?
transition game still strong
where can we find miami's music?
I use The Dongulcrossor compressor 😎 ... hahaha 🤣 Can you just imagine how it would sound if that even exist !?!?!?
If it’s anything like the dong in the cla drum expansion, it will sound god tier
-Miami
What do you think about 'tape' as a compression tool?
Great for heavy guitars IMO
Tape saturation sounds great on heavy guitars for sure!
-Miami
how come there is no signal in the bass examples?
Just an issue with the footage. 3 db of gain reduction and 4:1 compression on the examples when applicable
-Miami
There is not bus for keyboard sounds such as synths, piano, organs etc?
I have an upcoming video focused on let’s and synths so figured I would save it until then
-Miami
@@joeymusic thank you
@@joeymusic thank you
The only thing wrong you said was about drum shells there dynamic range of maple, birch and poplar are not that different and remember Led Zeppelin recorded a hole album with using just a room mic to record drums. It’s more about the mic vs the actual drum set. Even though you can use cheap mics and get really good results.
What about synths / pianos?
use ears keep it subtle unless for effect n stack em , dont choke energy trans too much, all down to vibe
111th comment. Nice. Also, can we just point out Miami’s swag?
Brah, you been looking real clean too lately no lie
-Miami
Oh shit you JUST uploaded this lmao
Bruh the whistling frequencies in those guitars hahahaha I know that's not the main point of this video but they're still there.
They aren’t there when the mix happens. Sometimes you lose a bit of magic going in after every frequency resonance
-Miami
You're doing god's work
Hope I blessed you with this one!
-Miami
🔥🔥
Appreciate you
-Miami
You just said you dont like 1176's on guitar and then use a CLA76 plugin which is a plugin based on Chris Lord Algae's 1176?
Yes because I was showing an example. How else would I be able to show you what is the best sounding if I didn’t showcase them all?
-Miami
I needed to know all this. Having said that, I can't hear a difference. That makes me sad.
You’ll get it the more you listen
-Miami
idk miami i thought that 1176 sounded pretty good on drum buss
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Stacking is fine but if you can do it with less it’s always better because it reduces the chance for digital artifacts to start piling up.
Alternatively, my dumb life hack: if the plug in doesn't have a preset for the instrument you're trying it on, it's probably not the right one for it.
Chest compression
Aehm ... am i not getting things right , but you are not compressing anything on the bass compressors... the needle at the klanghelm is not even moving and it always depends on the input signal what you are compressing... I may make myself a fool here but only the first compressor from waves seem to compress... or the gui's are not showing whats happening... am I wrong ?
And this is not to just troll ... I am not gettin it here at the bass ;-) Can you explain ? Cheers TweakerRay
okay... I may be fooled myself... I guess you just showed a still picture of the compressors ? But thats make no sense to me either... since you don't see whats happening here... hmmm...
okay at the vocal buss you see whats happening... since the plugin is movin... but not at bass buss and not at guitar bus... sorry... you might have good points but explaining it like this is a little strange to me...
API Do drums SSL the rest
Take a breath!
well bruh
Asuh lol
-Miami
*Kellin Quinn voice?*
I wanted to view... but droning on and on (likely due to to repeated video chops in close succession) without natural vocal pauses... on TOP of a music bed turned into a stream of noise to me.
I'm only sharing my experience in the "off chance" that the criticism may serve to aid, especially of others experienced the same.
Whatever floats your boat man! We’re out here just trying to educate one day at a time and this is the style that seems to work to educate
-Miami
I disagree with you here...The LA3A is GREAT for distorted guitar!!!
It's hard to believe these videos these days.
It's so annoying if someone repeats untruths.
Everyone talks about compression and no one has even one microphone at home, only the one built into the camera or phone. 😂
I probably have about 20k worth of compressors in my studio, but to each his own
-Miami
@@joeymusic UA-camrs talk a lot about mixing, compression, equalization, how and when.
But none of them released any good album. And people believe them in this talk.
@@SpendCroof I was also in a band with millions of streams across platforms that I wrote, produced, edited, and mixed for. What point are you trying to make?
-Miami
@@joeymusic What I'm trying to say is that people are duplicating untruths.
UA-cam It's a garbage dump when it comes to information.
Why no one wants to tell the truth about audio.
They focus on. Compression and where are basic facts? Poor people must think that Buy Yamaha ms 10 and La2a, 1176, - This make them sound engineers. others think that if they will be something in front of the 4k camera, people will believe it.
So you need hardware compressors to understand how compression works? What? Lol
Kellin Quinn????
You know it 😘
-Miami
Wtf is this sleeping with sirens?
That was Kellin Quinn, yes
-Miami
@@joeymusic okay I see you