Funny how entering the 2023 season the Texans was laughed at for trading their 2024 first rounder to move up to draft Will Anderson because they was picked to have the worst record. Nobody expected Houston to be any good. It’s amazing what a good coach and Qb can do. And by the way Texans offensive line was horrible last year CJ was running for his life all their starters was hurt and the line literally had third stringers and a walk on
@@vickmcfadden833 That’s true. There was a lot of hate for trading up for Anderson because everyone thought they would have been bad. I guess my question is then what if the Texans drafted Young instead of Stroud? Because no one is perfect or even close to good with drafting QBs. I think the Texans got lucky but they deserve credit for taking Stroud. With the Texans offensive line though, the point was comparing his offensive line to Young’s offensive line. I really broke down the whole O-Line for him and explained why they looked better despite the players generally not being good.
Bro I’m so tired of hearing the “Stroud went to the better situation” argument from people lol. Literally EVERYONE was sitting there saying how if he went to Houston his career was over, while saying the panthers had one of the best spots for a young qb to go to all offseason. No one thought Stroud’s supporting cast was good until we started winning
@@natedavis8669 I agree. Nico had about 1,000 in 2 seasons combined. Tank was a rookie and played ~10 games, first time head coach, first time offensive coordinator and patch work offensive line. He made everyone on offense better, while Young’s excuse was he needs coaching and talent around him. Texans pick #2 because they were the 31st best team in the NFL, while Carolina traded up from #12. Oh, remember the “Ohio State” QB talk as well. This argument is like saying Mitch Tribiski is as good as Patrick Mahomes, but wasn’t in the right situation… really???
@@natedavis8669 If you watched the whole video, then you would see I literally go into detail on how Stroud was good, independent of his supporting cast. I don’t disagree that everyone was saying Stroud’s situation was bad vs Bryce’s situation.
Let’s be real Nico wasn’t a #1 receiver until stroud made him #1. Nico was there when d hop was there and he got overlooked bc dhop was that guy but once dhop got traded Nico was considered injury prone bc he hadn’t completed a whole season. Stroud saw somethin in Nico that made no one else did and the rest of the story speaks for itself currently
Yeah I brought up the out of pocket ability at end of the video. If he showed he could do that in college besides that 1 game in the playoffs. He would have been easily the number 1 pick
No he's not big enough Not mentally strong enough On top of that bad coaching and a bad system with a weak offensive line and you're only weapon is a rookie
@@JustAnFootballGuy They kinda did fail him by not implementing a system that suits his skill set. And not putting enough weapons around him rookie quarterback rookie wide receiver on a horrible team with a bad system and a bad coaching staff with nobody to throw to equals bad outcomes
@@JustAnFootballGuyhonestly I think he is more suited for college football then the NFL maybe if he had more of a system like he had in college to start off his career and then slowly adding more plays to play book and not expecting him to come out and be Jesus to a team that needs more than a quarterback generational quarterbacks comes along rarely I only recognize three generations and quarterbacks in the NFL at this time Patrick mahomes Lamar Jackson and CJ strong then you have a gang of good quarterbacks and the rest are just mediocre they need to get a better defense a better offensive line a better system that fits his skill set and lower the expectations for at least 2 years and let him develop but the owner is on some Jerry Jones stuff. Leave the personnel to the GM leave the draft process to the gm and the coaching staff. Being an owner and make sure the stadium is in great shape and the staff is well taken care of
Many analysts will tell you that sacks are as much a QB stat as an o-line stat. How a QB moves and sees things behind the line can have just as much of an impact on how often he's pressured and sacked as the quality of the blocking. In this regard, Stroud improved significantly over the course of the season, while Young did not. I think the height issue cannot be ignored here, as Young, at 5'10", simply cannot step up into a pocket and still see his reads nearly as easily as Stroud can at 6'3", and so he would bail out and try to run either backwards or to the sides when pressure could have been avoided by stepping forward. I also question whether Bryce Young really had much in the way of elite traits. He could play very well off schedule, but that was against college defenders running college schemes. We've seen numerous examples of players who look very athletic in college, but compared to NFL players, simply aren't anything special. I think Young ran afoul of this particular issue, as he just doesn't seem to have the athleticism to consistently make the same plays against NFL caliber athletes. His arm talent has never overly impressed me either, as his arm strength was just average, and his accuracy was good, but nothing special. Maybe he processes information very quickly, but it certainly hasn't been very apparent in the NFL if he can. And that's not including his notable lack of size and stature.
Bryce is not a franchise QB at the NFL level. He was a great college QB but in the pro's his lack of elite physical tools is blatantly apparent. He's short, light of build, subpar arm strength and average athletisim. Stroud had all the intangibles plus the physical traits necessary to succeed in the NFL. Stroud is the single most important reason for the turnaround in Houston. He's basically looked a seasoned vet since he's started his career.
Because the Texans have a more competent organization. Just look at the recent history. The Bears fleeced the Panthers and the Texans fleeced the Browns big time.
@henrywallacesghost5883 The Texans were lucky with Stroud. The Panthers front office is incompetent. How anyone could take Young over Stroud is beyond me. I was ecstatic when the Panthers drafted Bryce. Houston has a legit franchise QB now! 😎 Thanks Carolina!
@@henrywallacesghost5883 The GM (coming from the Patriots?) has done a really good job. Panthers organization is poorly run due to the Panthers owner if we are being honest.
@@edwardflores7108 I really think it was a coin flip between the two. But I did like Stroud better, only because of that Ohio state vs Georgia game. That made me like him a lot. Not saying I knew all along, just as a prospect though.
@@JustAnFootballGuy love revisionist history. We went through 4 head coaches in three years and had a total of ten wins. Things just worked out, but honestly luck has a lot to do with it. I feel confident had we picked first in the draft we would have drank the Bryce koolaide and no one would be talking about how good the organization is.
Sometimes being number 1 can be a gift an a curse… especially if your somebody really humble… I think of young was number 2 he woulda did great but that pressure being number 1 you going have haters beforre you even snap a ball
The Texans had a horrible O line last year. They had injuries up and down the line and played numerous lineman… CJ made them look better by getting rid of the ball quick and play calling…we also had no running game. CJ succeeded because he’s that good. Bryce is too small and was a hype job. Fairly simple.
@@iAmEdwinHamilton They did not have a horrible offensive line. It wasn’t great and it wasn’t that Stroud was the sole reason making them look better. It is the Shanahan scheme that is making that line better. Stroud wasn’t hurting it but he certainly wasn’t the only reason it was holding up. I do agree there was not a consistent running game. I don’t think it’s simple to say Young is too small and that’s why he was bad. Because there is other QB’s, granted a few, that have succeeded despite being small. Young was terrible under pressure, he didn’t provide the out of structure plays that he was expected to and well capable of doing. That’s why.
Stroud is gonna be a mvp candidate because his team spent the time and money to build around him. Bryce young was thrown into a situation that wouldn’t help him develop. Andy dalton is experienced veteran that can handle the pressure better than Bryce young. He wasn’t given the time to develop into a proper QB. He’s needs to go into a right situation with a good QB coach and offense that has a decent quarterback so he can learn. That is the only way he can succeed in this league. Maybe the dolphins or rams will be good for him.
@@nikhilkancherla203 Exactly. I really think that Shanahan Scheme is the driving factor in how it fits Stroud and has given the O-Line a performance boost. But I agree with what you are saying. I like to think the Rams would be a better scheme fit with Young’s strengths. They gotta get a better O-Line situation, same with Dolphins.
Great video. Thank you. You almost lost me at the beginning of the video when it sounded like you said CJ Stroud not really succeeded. Annunciation is very important. Great video nonetheless great work.
@@RyanBoonslokovich Thank you for the support, I appreciate it! I understand. The goal of the video ultimately isn’t to knock what Stroud did, but rather show the reasons that set him for success, with giving him credit with how he was one of the best QBs under pressure Week 10 onwards.
What doesn't get talked about with CJ Stroud is the supporting cast of coaches that Houston built to support his rookie season. It's insane for his style of QB play. Go look it up sometime.
@@ryanslauderdale I did cover the scheme that Bobby Slovak runs there, which is the Shanahan scheme, but I definitely agree that there is a lot to be said about coaching that I didn’t include.
This is an easy question. Young failed because the team they had around him was atrocious and he didn’t have the talent or willpower to overcome it. And he has an impulsive owner. Frank Reich was a good coach. Stroud succeeded because he already had a Pro Bowl left tackle guarding his blind side and had a pretty good team around him and he had a better coach. Like Joe Burrow. Everyone who was thrust into Burrows situation would not have succeded like he did. Bryce Young was thrown into a similar situation and he couldn’t overcome it. If Stroud had went to the Panthers o don’t think he could have overcome It either. Now this year Stroud has an all star team around him. Pro Bowlers and all Pros all over the place. The Panthers had 1 pro bowl player and he is a defensive tackle. When Burrow got to the Bengals Jessie Bates was the only All Pro on the defense. Yes Geno Atkins was still with the team in 2020 but he was hurt all year. And AJ Green was still with the team but he was also hurt most of the year and on the back 9 of his career. Joe Mixon was on the team but he misssd 10 games in 2020 and he wasn’t a Pro Bowler until 2021. All Burrow had was Tyler Boyd and a rookie Tee Higgins. That’s it. He had the 31st ranked offensive line. And the next season in 2021 he brought the Bengals to the Super Bowl behind the 28th ranked offensive line and the next year he brought them to the AFC championship again. It took the refs for the Chiefs to win that game. On another bitch ass call they won the game. Just like in week 2 of this season. A bitch ass call.
@@JakeFerris-fv7qo Yeah his weapons didn’t turn out well. I wouldn’t pin Ohio State QB’s to always flopping, not that the track record is great but take each QB case by case.
@@Gary-h9n I mean while I did defend Young in the supporting cast area, I did knock him for play under pressure and out of structure plays. I don’t think that equates to being a Bryce apologist.
Let’s just call it like it is the Panthers are a shitty organization and they have an awful owner that doesn’t know what he doing Trust me as a Texans fan I have experience seeing what a bad organization looks like. We took our lumps and I had some doubts with Nick Caserio but he and obviously hiring Demeco pretty much changed the culture. As for C.J and Bryce I always wanted C.J because pretty much he was perfect for the west coast offense we are running. He accurate he has a great arm and he 6,4 and I thought his ceiling was Joe Burrow and his floor his Geoff. Honestly if you have a Jared Geoff like QB who is at the top of the list of the second tier QBs right now then you have something. I didn’t want Bryce because his size was an issue and I didn’t think he would be a fit on our offense. But I always thought he could be a good QB in the league. It’s just that the Panthers ruined him pretty much, he has no confidence and this is not the organization that can help him gain his confidence. If I’m Bryce Young after this season I’m not showing up to Carolina ever again. I would ask for a trade I would say go to the Rams learn behind Stafford and McVay and sit for a few years until he ready to take over once Stafford hangs it up.
Funny how entering the 2023 season the Texans was laughed at for trading their 2024 first rounder to move up to draft Will Anderson because they was picked to have the worst record. Nobody expected Houston to be any good. It’s amazing what a good coach and Qb can do. And by the way Texans offensive line was horrible last year CJ was running for his life all their starters was hurt and the line literally had third stringers and a walk on
@@vickmcfadden833 That’s true. There was a lot of hate for trading up for Anderson because everyone thought they would have been bad. I guess my question is then what if the Texans drafted Young instead of Stroud?
Because no one is perfect or even close to good with drafting QBs. I think the Texans got lucky but they deserve credit for taking Stroud.
With the Texans offensive line though, the point was comparing his offensive line to Young’s offensive line.
I really broke down the whole O-Line for him and explained why they looked better despite the players generally not being good.
Now Houston is a Top 5 team in the AFC, and Top 10 in the league.
Bro I’m so tired of hearing the “Stroud went to the better situation” argument from people lol. Literally EVERYONE was sitting there saying how if he went to Houston his career was over, while saying the panthers had one of the best spots for a young qb to go to all offseason. No one thought Stroud’s supporting cast was good until we started winning
@@natedavis8669 I agree. Nico had about 1,000 in 2 seasons combined. Tank was a rookie and played ~10 games, first time head coach, first time offensive coordinator and patch work offensive line. He made everyone on offense better, while Young’s excuse was he needs coaching and talent around him. Texans pick #2 because they were the 31st best team in the NFL, while Carolina traded up from #12. Oh, remember the “Ohio State” QB talk as well. This argument is like saying Mitch Tribiski is as good as Patrick Mahomes, but wasn’t in the right situation… really???
@@natedavis8669 If you watched the whole video, then you would see I literally go into detail on how Stroud was good, independent of his supporting cast.
I don’t disagree that everyone was saying Stroud’s situation was bad vs Bryce’s situation.
@@TaylorMadeMob95 That wasn’t the whole video. I go on to talk about how individually Stroud was better than Young.
i personally have never herd this specifically about the panthers being a good spot 😂
Let’s be real Nico wasn’t a #1 receiver until stroud made him #1. Nico was there when d hop was there and he got overlooked bc dhop was that guy but once dhop got traded Nico was considered injury prone bc he hadn’t completed a whole season. Stroud saw somethin in Nico that made no one else did and the rest of the story speaks for itself currently
@@jamaalblack9076 I think Stroud is part of it yes, but I don’t think Stroud was the only reason he is a number 1 WR.
Cj knows how to read defenses and he run to extend the plays .on top of being a accurate passer
Yeah I brought up the out of pocket ability at end of the video. If he showed he could do that in college besides that 1 game in the playoffs. He would have been easily the number 1 pick
Bryce did not fail. The Panthers failed him.
I mean the whole video is explaining why he failed, and it’s because of the panthers
I get Bryce doesn’t look as good as CJ, but the problem is Bryce doesn’t even look better than Andy Dalton playing in the exact same situation
No he's not big enough
Not mentally strong enough
On top of that bad coaching and a bad system with a weak offensive line and you're only weapon is a rookie
@@JustAnFootballGuy They kinda did fail him by not implementing a system that suits his skill set. And not putting enough weapons around him rookie quarterback rookie wide receiver on a horrible team with a bad system and a bad coaching staff with nobody to throw to equals bad outcomes
@@JustAnFootballGuyhonestly I think he is more suited for college football then the NFL maybe if he had more of a system like he had in college to start off his career and then slowly adding more plays to play book and not expecting him to come out and be Jesus to a team that needs more than a quarterback generational quarterbacks comes along rarely I only recognize three generations and quarterbacks in the NFL at this time Patrick mahomes Lamar Jackson and CJ strong then you have a gang of good quarterbacks and the rest are just mediocre they need to get a better defense a better offensive line a better system that fits his skill set and lower the expectations for at least 2 years and let him develop but the owner is on some Jerry Jones stuff. Leave the personnel to the GM leave the draft process to the gm and the coaching staff. Being an owner and make sure the stadium is in great shape and the staff is well taken care of
Remember in 2022, when the Texans were 3-13-1 and the Panthers were 7-10? Pepperidge Farm remembers!
@@riseofthesugars5312 That’s crazy to think looking back for sure
stroud now is one of the best under pressure statistically
Right and I did say that by week 10 onward he was one of the best in the NFL.
@@JustAnFootballGuy o Myb.
Many analysts will tell you that sacks are as much a QB stat as an o-line stat. How a QB moves and sees things behind the line can have just as much of an impact on how often he's pressured and sacked as the quality of the blocking. In this regard, Stroud improved significantly over the course of the season, while Young did not. I think the height issue cannot be ignored here, as Young, at 5'10", simply cannot step up into a pocket and still see his reads nearly as easily as Stroud can at 6'3", and so he would bail out and try to run either backwards or to the sides when pressure could have been avoided by stepping forward.
I also question whether Bryce Young really had much in the way of elite traits. He could play very well off schedule, but that was against college defenders running college schemes. We've seen numerous examples of players who look very athletic in college, but compared to NFL players, simply aren't anything special. I think Young ran afoul of this particular issue, as he just doesn't seem to have the athleticism to consistently make the same plays against NFL caliber athletes. His arm talent has never overly impressed me either, as his arm strength was just average, and his accuracy was good, but nothing special. Maybe he processes information very quickly, but it certainly hasn't been very apparent in the NFL if he can. And that's not including his notable lack of size and stature.
Strouds success is impressive, still too early to make the call on bryce
Definitely impressive! I think the thing with Young is the Panthers have pretty much given up on him.
Bryce is not a franchise QB at the NFL level. He was a great college QB but in the pro's his lack of elite physical tools is blatantly apparent. He's short, light of build, subpar arm strength and average athletisim. Stroud had all the intangibles plus the physical traits necessary to succeed in the NFL. Stroud is the single most important reason for the turnaround in Houston. He's basically looked a seasoned vet since he's started his career.
Because the Texans have a more competent organization. Just look at the recent history. The Bears fleeced the Panthers and the Texans fleeced the Browns big time.
@henrywallacesghost5883
The Texans were lucky with Stroud. The Panthers front office is incompetent. How anyone could take Young over Stroud is beyond me. I was ecstatic when the Panthers drafted Bryce. Houston has a legit franchise QB now! 😎
Thanks Carolina!
@@henrywallacesghost5883 The GM (coming from the Patriots?) has done a really good job. Panthers organization is poorly run due to the Panthers owner if we are being honest.
@@edwardflores7108 I really think it was a coin flip between the two. But I did like Stroud better, only because of that Ohio state vs Georgia game. That made me like him a lot.
Not saying I knew all along, just as a prospect though.
@@JustAnFootballGuy love revisionist history. We went through 4 head coaches in three years and had a total of ten wins. Things just worked out, but honestly luck has a lot to do with it. I feel confident had we picked first in the draft we would have drank the Bryce koolaide and no one would be talking about how good the organization is.
Sometimes being number 1 can be a gift an a curse… especially if your somebody really humble… I think of young was number 2 he woulda did great but that pressure being number 1 you going have haters beforre you even snap a ball
@@twon8548 I think that’s a contributing factor that’s for sure. I don’t think it was the driving factor but I hear you.
The Texans had a horrible O line last year. They had injuries up and down the line and played numerous lineman… CJ made them look better by getting rid of the ball quick and play calling…we also had no running game. CJ succeeded because he’s that good. Bryce is too small and was a hype job. Fairly simple.
@@iAmEdwinHamilton They did not have a horrible offensive line. It wasn’t great and it wasn’t that Stroud was the sole reason making them look better.
It is the Shanahan scheme that is making that line better. Stroud wasn’t hurting it but he certainly wasn’t the only reason it was holding up.
I do agree there was not a consistent running game.
I don’t think it’s simple to say Young is too small and that’s why he was bad. Because there is other QB’s, granted a few, that have succeeded despite being small.
Young was terrible under pressure, he didn’t provide the out of structure plays that he was expected to and well capable of doing. That’s why.
@@JustAnFootballGuy Dude they were not great… It’s amazing what a competent QB can mask…
Stroud is gonna be a mvp candidate because his team spent the time and money to build around him. Bryce young was thrown into a situation that wouldn’t help him develop. Andy dalton is experienced veteran that can handle the pressure better than Bryce young. He wasn’t given the time to develop into a proper QB. He’s needs to go into a right situation with a good QB coach and offense that has a decent quarterback so he can learn. That is the only way he can succeed in this league. Maybe the dolphins or rams will be good for him.
@@nikhilkancherla203 Exactly. I really think that Shanahan Scheme is the driving factor in how it fits Stroud and has given the O-Line a performance boost.
But I agree with what you are saying. I like to think the Rams would be a better scheme fit with Young’s strengths. They gotta get a better O-Line situation, same with Dolphins.
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@@yyynbbggsage7398 hahaha😂
Great video. Thank you. You almost lost me at the beginning of the video when it sounded like you said CJ Stroud not really succeeded. Annunciation is very important. Great video nonetheless great work.
@@RyanBoonslokovich Thank you for the support, I appreciate it! I understand. The goal of the video ultimately isn’t to knock what Stroud did, but rather show the reasons that set him for success, with giving him credit with how he was one of the best QBs under pressure Week 10 onwards.
What doesn't get talked about with CJ Stroud is the supporting cast of coaches that Houston built to support his rookie season.
It's insane for his style of QB play. Go look it up sometime.
@@ryanslauderdale I did cover the scheme that Bobby Slovak runs there, which is the Shanahan scheme, but I definitely agree that there is a lot to be said about coaching that I didn’t include.
Fant was the backup/ swing tackle. Starting RT, Tytus Howard was on IR.
Good to know, I didn’t know that. Thanks for contributing that!
This is an easy question. Young failed because the team they had around him was atrocious and he didn’t have the talent or willpower to overcome it. And he has an impulsive owner. Frank Reich was a good coach. Stroud succeeded because he already had a Pro Bowl left tackle guarding his blind side and had a pretty good team around him and he had a better coach. Like Joe Burrow. Everyone who was thrust into Burrows situation would not have succeded like he did. Bryce Young was thrown into a similar situation and he couldn’t overcome it. If Stroud had went to the Panthers o don’t think he could have overcome
It either. Now this year Stroud has an all star team around him. Pro Bowlers and all Pros all over the place. The Panthers had 1 pro bowl player and he is a defensive tackle. When Burrow got to the Bengals Jessie Bates was the only All Pro on the defense. Yes Geno Atkins was still with the team in 2020 but he was hurt all year. And AJ Green was still with the team but he was also hurt most of the year and on the back 9 of his career. Joe Mixon was on the team but he misssd 10 games in 2020 and he wasn’t a Pro Bowler until 2021. All Burrow had was Tyler Boyd and a rookie Tee Higgins. That’s it. He had the 31st ranked offensive line. And the next season in 2021 he brought the Bengals to the Super Bowl behind the 28th ranked offensive line and the next year he brought them to the AFC championship again. It took the refs for the Chiefs to win that game. On another bitch ass call they won the game. Just like in week 2 of this season. A bitch ass call.
I thought Young would succeed given he had some weapons around him and Stroud surprised me because typically Ohio state quarterbacks flop in the NFL
@@JakeFerris-fv7qo Yeah his weapons didn’t turn out well. I wouldn’t pin Ohio State QB’s to always flopping, not that the track record is great but take each QB case by case.
@JustAnFootballGuy true but Stroud had the system set up for him
@JakeFerris-fv7qo
Last year the Texans were awful when Stroud was out. Not hard to build a system when your QB has all the tools that CJ has.
A Bryce apologist. It makes me sick. Bryce is too small, has less arm talent AND had problems with coaching and support.
@@Gary-h9n I mean while I did defend Young in the supporting cast area, I did knock him for play under pressure and out of structure plays.
I don’t think that equates to being a Bryce apologist.
What about Trey Lance? How come he gets a pass
@@haruspex1-50 Trey Lance wasn’t in the same draft class. But I agree, I don’t think he gets a pass.
We need young on the cowboys
@@jesusbolivar9178 Love that, especially if Dak is gone after this year
THis is my fav vid on the internet i go for the texans
@@user-fk4yq7dy3l thank you for watching! Texans Super Bowl this year?!
Let’s just call it like it is the Panthers are a shitty organization and they have an awful owner that doesn’t know what he doing
Trust me as a Texans fan I have experience seeing what a bad organization looks like. We took our lumps and I had some doubts with Nick Caserio but he and obviously hiring Demeco pretty much changed the culture.
As for C.J and Bryce I always wanted C.J because pretty much he was perfect for the west coast offense we are running. He accurate he has a great arm and he 6,4 and I thought his ceiling was Joe Burrow and his floor his Geoff.
Honestly if you have a Jared Geoff like QB who is at the top of the list of the second tier QBs right now then you have something.
I didn’t want Bryce because his size was an issue and I didn’t think he would be a fit on our offense. But I always thought he could be a good QB in the league.
It’s just that the Panthers ruined him pretty much, he has no confidence and this is not the organization that can help him gain his confidence.
If I’m Bryce Young after this season I’m not showing up to Carolina ever again. I would ask for a trade I would say go to the Rams learn behind Stafford and McVay and sit for a few years until he ready to take over once Stafford hangs it up.