This is my way (not for race): Use Soviet, create 1 or 2 extra Ore Collectors and arm them. The AI will be fooled (not alway) and try to attack those Collectors (armed Ore Collector can only be destroyed by at least 60 bombs of Vindicator), build a Crusher crane nearby so your Collectors are can be repaired auto, buy you a lot of time to build Airfield and MIGs to rule the sky, then you can use Twinblade to grap Sputnik to expand your base.
I'm still playing this game years later and still using your videos for tactics. Thanks I competed the game a while back but I'm trying to get all under par. This one (due to heavy air bombardment) still holding me back..... will keep at it.
@pinsarsi7 I have the group selected (by hitting the group number from 0 to 9), I hold shift and select the new unit(s), then I press ctrl and the group number. Then the unit is included in the group. Regarding the vxs, I have a rally point set to the enemy base. Then I select it as soon as it comes out of the mecha bay and I hit X (activating the secondary ability), then the VX goes to chopper-mode and continues to go to the rally point.
Worked. Thanks. Took me a few tries though, as it seems like the AI isn't consistent; sometimes he (Giles) makes Apollo before Vindicator. You did write this in the comment section, but not everyone is going to see it since it's 7 years old lol. You should pin it if you can :P
The trick is to get as many VXs out before you need that one tengu to scare them off! Then you focus on the unit producing building, then the MCV and then clean up!
So, what are you saying? That if you can do it, I can do better because even you can complete it using my strategy? Or do you want me to do it again to improve the time or do use another strategy? To improve the time, I'm not sure I can do that. To use another strategy - why?
@SlahyX Regarding the bug with the con yard - it happens from time to time. In one of my attempts to be the Your Gold Mine Collapsed-challenge I dojo rushed and found only a lone con yard and beat it in 1:31, but I didnt cound it. I have also heard of incidents like that on Dead Meat as well as other challenges
@Nbsimons18 Then redo it a couple of times. Sometimes Giles makes a bomber before the apollo, then it works. The AI's script is not exact each time. Make sure you have the same timings as me, as well. You must do it as fast as possible.
First - the videos I post is not meant to be universal strategies that work for everybody. It is simply videodocumentation that the challenges can be done at that speed. It is, however, not possible be as fast in every attempt of each challenge, because _THE AI'S BUILD ORDER DIFFERS_! That does not mean the strategy sucks, it just means that one should adapt to the AI'S BUILD ORDER!
I use empire because they allow me to finish the challenges in the shortest amount of time, which is my goal. I can post some of the challenges where I use the other factions, I guess.
In order to do the tactic demonstrated in the video, one has to "abuse" AI input reading. Namely, everything has to be a pixel perfect match to what is seen in the video. Imperial Warriors 1 pixel off to the side, Giles builds Apollos. MCV landed a tile to the side, Giles builds Apollos and missile troopers. Instead, you can just go for the Rocket Angel strat - everything is identical to what you see in the video. Sell MCV, sell Nanotech Mainframe after Dojo Breakthrough is done, build 8-10 Rocket Angels and destroy Giles. Then just proceed from Giles' base to Vera and she'll fall. This should take you around 9 minutes.
not trying to offend but could you try doing this again..i completed this after like 8 trys or so..i'd either see an apollo when 2nd helicopter gets to allies base or vindicators would focus on my ore collectors
I am offended, firstly, why should I do this again? I do each challenge so many times it takes to do it as fast as possible, meaning, each challenge have been played at least 50 times! One of the reasons is that the AIs' build order differs from time to time. Sometimes Giles builds apollos before the barracks, sometimes he builds just vindicators and no apollos. The latter is the ones you want to have. Build one - 1 - tengu to scare the vindicators off!
Well, what I do is that I practice very much to learn the key combos by heart. Then I practice until I get it right. Then I practice until I get the lowest time I think is feasible.
I made my VXs and went to giles and found he hadnt even begun building he just had a con yard (Is it a bug or something?) blew him away and them whiped Vera all in 5:31 thanks so much man now i can try get my fav unit (Habinger Gunship)
If you meet an apollo, then ground your VX! You'll take out the one apollo and get into the air before the vindicators get built! In many of the tries that didnt turn out as well as this one, I had to do that.
@CHECKrayrobionson I knew it! you are boss! also, flag troopers mines ability can tear apart that soviet mcv quicker than 3 vx intercept or close to! easy to build 4 trooper mines knocked it off!
my best time on this.... 22.50... I tried my way making 5 vxs and jet tangu's but he had 2 airbases with 5 apollos and 3 vindicators. after that I just made 10 jets and maxed out my vx's. after I tried this I got 7.26 (he made apollos but I didn't quit)
You're wrong dude I did this using that strategy and it fucking works, what you need is speed which you get with practice. basically by the time two vxs are at the base, there should be no apollos, once the first southern air base is dead it will take giles too long to produce an apollo from the other one. Then im not sure if i just sent the vxs directly to vera or if i first built some tengus but i dont think i did (can't reach this level of micromanagement)
Strategies are awesome man. Don't listen to these noobs. Just goota get the right moment with the AI. TIP FOR NOOBS: Put the graphics up so it slows the game down.
Is lame most challenges you can do with japaneses VXs RUSH in time ...theres no other tactic how to do it without VXs in challenge time ( perhaps tanya rush ) That is a stupid ...
it's not bad, its a way for the people to enjoy the Rising Sun faction if they just want to "cheese" it. Otherwise for most, the other 2 are possible. Imagine if it wasn't hard and was stupid easy, would you prefer it that way ? i don't think so
Thanks for this, getting this level under par is a bigger bitch than it looks, especially since there's so much distance/fucked up terrain between you and both bases. Just tried with Soviets sent 9 bullfrogs and grinders to giles base which went well except that fucking vera keeps sending swarms of twinblades to kill the bullfrogs. Oh, and that by the time i send them giles has built all over the damn map
However you did it legit or not this way aint possible.Giles busts out appollos and multi towers either b4 or as the 1st strikers get there, and i copied your method to the letter.
Played this mission a dozen times now. Following your strategy every time. And every time Giles has 2 Apollos waiting for me. The second complete just as my tengu destroy the first airfield (also always 2 airfields). Sorry, I have to call some kind of bullshit on this vid. And my times were the same or even a second faster than yours. Thanks for nothing.
This is my way (not for race): Use Soviet, create 1 or 2 extra Ore Collectors and arm them. The AI will be fooled (not alway) and try to attack those Collectors (armed Ore Collector can only be destroyed by at least 60 bombs of Vindicator), build a Crusher crane nearby so your Collectors are can be repaired auto, buy you a lot of time to build Airfield and MIGs to rule the sky, then you can use Twinblade to grap Sputnik to expand your base.
I'm still playing this game years later and still using your videos for tactics. Thanks
I competed the game a while back but I'm trying to get all under par.
This one (due to heavy air bombardment) still holding me back..... will keep at it.
@pinsarsi7 I have the group selected (by hitting the group number from 0 to 9), I hold shift and select the new unit(s), then I press ctrl and the group number. Then the unit is included in the group. Regarding the vxs, I have a rally point set to the enemy base. Then I select it as soon as it comes out of the mecha bay and I hit X (activating the secondary ability), then the VX goes to chopper-mode and continues to go to the rally point.
Worked. Thanks.
Took me a few tries though, as it seems like the AI isn't consistent; sometimes he (Giles) makes Apollo before Vindicator. You did write this in the comment section, but not everyone is going to see it since it's 7 years old lol. You should pin it if you can :P
The trick is to get as many VXs out before you need that one tengu to scare them off! Then you focus on the unit producing building, then the MCV and then clean up!
i came there at the same time but giles had the bombers AND the apollo. every fuckin time..
i feel your pain. i mean whenever i send forces to giles, vere always attacks me with twinblades. maybe the ai is different from the pc version.
So, what are you saying? That if you can do it, I can do better because even you can complete it using my strategy? Or do you want me to do it again to improve the time or do use another strategy? To improve the time, I'm not sure I can do that. To use another strategy - why?
@SlahyX Regarding the bug with the con yard - it happens from time to time. In one of my attempts to be the Your Gold Mine Collapsed-challenge I dojo rushed and found only a lone con yard and beat it in 1:31, but I didnt cound it. I have also heard of incidents like that on Dead Meat as well as other challenges
wats wit u and the mvc all the time?
@Nbsimons18 Then redo it a couple of times. Sometimes Giles makes a bomber before the apollo, then it works. The AI's script is not exact each time. Make sure you have the same timings as me, as well. You must do it as fast as possible.
First - the videos I post is not meant to be universal strategies that work for everybody. It is simply videodocumentation that the challenges can be done at that speed. It is, however, not possible be as fast in every attempt of each challenge, because _THE AI'S BUILD ORDER DIFFERS_! That does not mean the strategy sucks, it just means that one should adapt to the AI'S BUILD ORDER!
I use empire because they allow me to finish the challenges in the shortest amount of time, which is my goal. I can post some of the challenges where I use the other factions, I guess.
How can you even build walls like that cause whenever i try to do that i can only build 2 of the and it needs to be close enough to raise a wall
In order to do the tactic demonstrated in the video, one has to "abuse" AI input reading. Namely, everything has to be a pixel perfect match to what is seen in the video. Imperial Warriors 1 pixel off to the side, Giles builds Apollos. MCV landed a tile to the side, Giles builds Apollos and missile troopers.
Instead, you can just go for the Rocket Angel strat - everything is identical to what you see in the video. Sell MCV, sell Nanotech Mainframe after Dojo Breakthrough is done, build 8-10 Rocket Angels and destroy Giles. Then just proceed from Giles' base to Vera and she'll fall.
This should take you around 9 minutes.
not trying to offend but could you try doing this again..i completed this after like 8 trys or so..i'd either see an apollo when 2nd helicopter gets to allies base or vindicators would focus on my ore collectors
I am offended, firstly, why should I do this again? I do each challenge so many times it takes to do it as fast as possible, meaning, each challenge have been played at least 50 times! One of the reasons is that the AIs' build order differs from time to time. Sometimes Giles builds apollos before the barracks, sometimes he builds just vindicators and no apollos. The latter is the ones you want to have. Build one - 1 - tengu to scare the vindicators off!
Well, what I do is that I practice very much to learn the key combos by heart. Then I practice until I get it right. Then I practice until I get the lowest time I think is feasible.
@CrazyOneRA3 i already know that. still looking to find faster strategy like 4 tangu then vx
im very surprised that you dint do your infantre rush
I made my VXs and went to giles and found he hadnt even begun building he just had a con yard (Is it a bug or something?) blew him away and them whiped Vera all in 5:31 thanks so much man now i can try get my fav unit (Habinger Gunship)
If you meet an apollo, then ground your VX! You'll take out the one apollo and get into the air before the vindicators get built! In many of the tries that didnt turn out as well as this one, I had to do that.
Everytime i finish a challenge under par on ps3, it gives me the time of 99:59, so i had to restart the whole thing again
@CHECKrayrobionson I knew it! you are boss! also, flag troopers mines ability can tear apart that soviet mcv quicker than 3 vx intercept or close to! easy to build 4 trooper mines knocked it off!
my best time on this.... 22.50... I tried my way making 5 vxs and jet tangu's but he had 2 airbases with 5 apollos and 3 vindicators. after that I just made 10 jets and maxed out my vx's. after I tried this I got 7.26 (he made apollos but I didn't quit)
Vindicators just bombs the cores. No use, I had to go air borne.
You're wrong dude I did this using that strategy and it fucking works, what you need is speed which you get with practice. basically by the time two vxs are at the base, there should be no apollos, once the first southern air base is dead it will take giles too long to produce an apollo from the other one. Then im not sure if i just sent the vxs directly to vera or if i first built some tengus but i dont think i did (can't reach this level of micromanagement)
Something simular happened to me in Red Alert 2. I guess the glitch carried over.
@117scorcher hey! that happens to me too!
maybe we're arnt fast enough?
This Map is One of the Best my friends. Is a Pity that is only for 3 Sides. Thanks.
this doesn't work. Game builds anti-air
Strategies are awesome man. Don't listen to these noobs. Just goota get the right moment with the AI. TIP FOR NOOBS: Put the graphics up so it slows the game down.
srry, that does explain alot, but it just seems like a chance of luck i even completed it doing it this way
Is lame most challenges you can do with japaneses VXs RUSH in time ...theres no other tactic how to do it without VXs in challenge time ( perhaps tanya rush ) That is a stupid ...
it's not bad, its a way for the people to enjoy the Rising Sun faction if they just want to "cheese" it. Otherwise for most, the other 2 are possible. Imagine if it wasn't hard and was stupid easy, would you prefer it that way ? i don't think so
Thanks for this, getting this level under par is a bigger bitch than it looks, especially since there's so much distance/fucked up terrain between you and both bases. Just tried with Soviets sent 9 bullfrogs and grinders to giles base which went well except that fucking vera keeps sending swarms of twinblades to kill the bullfrogs. Oh, and that by the time i send them giles has built all over the damn map
However you did it legit or not this way aint possible.Giles busts out appollos and multi towers either b4 or as the 1st strikers get there, and i copied your method to the letter.
nice
hahahahah u used da imperial warriors as sacrifice to da vindicators that's one hell of a tactic
Or we can just say it did not happen because it probaly didnt.
skip barracks and put a single turret
That was my tactic in evry map i was use japanish helicopters ....... but uor usualy tactic with dojo is awesome
Nice
i know dude i did the same AI (Moskvin) and he made the whole base OPPISITE WAY ROUND!
WOO! best time is 3.49 on this one!
Really great way... i can do 5:13 using your way
Video or it did not happen
Love IT XD
you should please stop using empire and use others. not being mean, but razattac kand u are like, EMPIRE lovers
Played this mission a dozen times now. Following your strategy every time. And every time Giles has 2 Apollos waiting for me. The second complete just as my tengu destroy the first airfield (also always 2 airfields). Sorry, I have to call some kind of bullshit on this vid.
And my times were the same or even a second faster than yours.
Thanks for nothing.