The Rapture: Are We Taken Away or Left to Flourish? | Robby Gallaty
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- In this message from May 19th, 2024, Pastor Robby Gallaty examines The Rapture: what we've been taught, what the Bible says, and why it matters.
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You are the 1st non reformed SBC Pastor that i have heard preach the biblical view of scripture. It takes alot of courage to have preached this message. Thank you.
Why does it take a lot of courage if it's "biblical?" Perhaps it's not.
Robby is the only "reformed" SBC pastor i will listen to...
@@SheepDog1974 is he reformed ?
@@beegano if you listen to him long enough, you will notice his stance on Sovereignty and doctrine of grace .... He's a member of the SBC
SheepDog1974, All denominations combine the gospel of the kingdom (Luke 1:30-33) with the gospel of the grace of God (I Corinthians 15:1-4). That is why we have so many denominations.
Denominations call Jesus Christ a liar when they preach either Replacement Theology or Covenant Theology. They all preach one or the other.
Paul calls those who are saved; children of God and saints. Denominations call their members - members. Can't we see the difference?
I came to this realization and interpretation during the pandemic. Just me, the Holy Spirit, and the Word of God. I held a pre trib view for many years but the more I studied the Word the more flaws I began to notice in this “doctrine.” Great sermon!
Pastor I also love how you unite the people and make clear it’s not a dividing factor. Your love for ppl is absolutely beautiful. Unification!!!
YES!!!!! THANK YOU PASTOR ROBBY!!!!! FINALLY!!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻💯
Thank you brother. I saw your sermon in person last week, amazing teachings. I had my doubts on pre-tribulation. We as Christians need to be ready to advance Jesus during times of woe and troubles. Be ready to stand up for Him against those who wish to remove his name from this earth. We are tasked to do this just as the Apostles did. Be strong in the Lord and He shall see you through!
Well, i also have held a pre-trib view of the rapture all my life and still do. Yes, agree can still fellowship with those that hold a different view. I have studied eschatology a long time and also agreed that we can’t be dogmatic. The Pharisees thought they had it all together and missed Jesus the first time. On the other hand, I think that it does matter what you believe about the end times, YES, don’t set dates. but Christ return is closer now than ever before. And if you hold Pastor Robby’s eschatology you best be preparing for persecution the likes of which us American christian have never seen. I challenge everyone to Rightly divide the truth and not accept one man’s interpretation. As for me & my house we will be looking for the blessed hope.
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
I Thess 4:17-18
I’m not sure there will be much comfort here if these end time believers knew they had 7 years of tribulation to face
Nathan Wright, you are SO right!
Amen!!!
That’s exactly why the text says to comfort one another. Going through the great tribulation is going to be a VERY difficult time for everyone. The knowledge that there is an end to that tribulation and that Christ will be taking us from that chaos is a comforting thing to know in the midst of all that. I can only imagine.
The tribulation is only 3.5 years ....just saying
The comfort is that Christ will rule and reign forever.
You will be victorious with Christ.
I'm so thankful and grateful for this sermon. This is what I've been saying , that I believe this. Some , most disagree. I believe as you that this is what we been told for years , it's a comfort belief. This makes so much more sense simply because if we all are taken up , then who would be there to help the lost? And what makes people believe that He would save us from this , if He lets suffering be in our lifetime. The Bible tells us it is in our suffering that He brings us closer to Him. If He kept us from suffering than why would He let his prophets suffer and why would He ever let His one and only Son suffer? I listen to a pastor who said that on his missionary work , he seen those in other countries lose everything for their belief and hope in Jesus , who lived with more glory and gratefulness. Then us here who have lived in much comfort who have not suffered for our beliefs. Praise God , thank you for your boldness to teach. Praise God to all the glory be to Him. ⚓💜
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I wanted to clarify some details for the sake of perspective. It's not a question of suffering, but rather the source of the suffering. The source of the suffering we endure in our lives is from the world, yet the tribulation is specifically God's wrath being poured out, squeezing the last of the harvest from the planet. The only person to ever experience God's wrath specifically in the NT context was Jesus on the cross. Otherwise, God has been reserving his wrath for the 'day of the Lord.' I'm not defending a pre-trib rapture, just providing a little perspective for what many believe on this matter. God bless!!
Voddie Baucham breaks it down in a very convincing fashion
Suffering is our main requirement you're on the right track. 😁
Sorry, but this is exactly the kind of confusion we get when we don't rightly divide the Word of Truth between what is meant for Israel and what is meant for the Body of Christ Church. If we understood the difference we wouldn't have to ask "who is gonna be there to help the lost?" The 144,000 Jews of Revelation 7. That's who. It's their prophecy, their 70th week, it's what they are called to do in their 70th week.
Voddie Baucham is a man of God. I also listen to David Wilkerson. His son Gary is very good also. I study to seek God's Word. It's hard to find sound preachers who are filled by the HOLY SPIRIT. This is the sad truth , I rebelled. I ran from God because of religions and " religious " people. They were not filled with the Holy Spirit and at the time I knew something was not right but didn't understand what. They either taught fluff or their own gain. I went back and forth over the years yearning for God but not understanding. I pleaded with God , help me understand your Word. I can't keep going back and forth. I started myself to study not just read and His guidance has brought me His knowledge. I still learn everyday. 🙌🙏⚓💜
Good sermon, you're speaking the truth.Just remember Christ said.I'm coming back for those who are eagerly waiting.And we are also commanded to watch for his return.So I say do both keep your eyes open and share the gospel
Glory be to God in Christ Jesus. 👀 open for You King Jesus. Judge. Bridegroom. I Love Jesus. 👰 Divine Diane
This is fantastic word! Thank you Pastor for boldly preaching truth and from the heart without trying to simply please people.
Stand strong against the nay sayers and press on.
Excellent message!
Yes! You have said what so many of us "layman" who have studied His Word our entire adult lives and have felt. We want to believe what we were told. Just like gum in our tum! 👑
Maybe I missed it, but you can’t really talk about the rapture without talking about the Greek word Harpazo.
He mentioned it in 1 Thessalonians 4: 13-17 the one instance of the word in an end times context. he mentioned the latin form which is where we get the actual English word rapture. Hope that helps. peace and blessings.
There are far and few in between that preach this way, hard to find a church close by that’s not pre trib so I listen to men of God like you God bless you, by the way was blessed with your testimony gives me hope for my daughter who’s is and has a addiction to heroine for over 10 years!!!
Great sermon!!!
Very well done.
"Yeshua" come King Jesus" I want to 👀 see Jesus.
Shalom. 5/25/24
Right on Point
Larry Norman wrote I wish we’d all been ready.
Just remember there is a difference between persecution , suffering and the complete wrath of God. Yes we are to share the good news of Jesus while there is still time. I’m happy for all you people that want to go through the wrath of God in the great tribulation, not me, Im going up. Love to all. 😊
That’s actually a false statement…. Some of the early church father’s writings talk about pre rap, dispensation and pre millennial….
Especially John the apostles disciples… Polycarp, Iraneus, eusbeius, hypolatyus … all from before 200 AD. So Darby starting it is absolutely not true
"WOW",, be careful people when someone says to you,,,"Did GOD really say that"??!!!!
We're in the tribulation right now and the millennial reign simultaneously! Our Lord comes back for the 2nd coming and that alone along with the "rapture" which is judgement day! I was taught pre trib my whole life but it's just not in the scriptures folks. You'll get a pat on the back from for all it's worth you nailed it brother!
The following proves you are correct.
Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (book not in chronological order )
Christ returns one time in the future. However, there are several different visions of His return shown from different perspectives in the Book of Revelation.
Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse.
Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb.
Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present?
The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ.
He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18.
The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15.
The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13.
He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet?
He comes on a horse in chapter 19, right after the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.
Chapter 20?
Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1?
(The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.)
There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46.
Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked before that time? Are there wicked angels in the pit in Rev. 9:11? If the beast "ascends" from the pit in Rev. chapter 11, where was the beast before that time?
Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness?
Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner.
Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book.
The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return....
Thank you for studying to show yourself approved.
...but not "approved unto God, rightly dividing the Word of Truth." He is completely confusing Israel's doctrine with our (the Body of Christ Church) doctrine. Total confusion.
The rapture will NOT be a SECRET, We as Christians follow the signs in the heaven to determine the SEASONS, we are ment to spread the word. COVID WAS THE CALL TO ARMS!!!! THE DEVIL IS TRYING TO DECIVE. We were given the sign of Johna we wicked generation. SAVE AS MANY SOULS POSSIBLE TODAY. Spread the Holy Word to the needy.
Vaccines are NOT the mark of the beast! They are NOT capable of changing your DNA (the VIRUS makes you sick and/or kills you by changing the DNA in your cells to viral DNA or RNA but you just reject the changed cells and they leave your body. YOU are not changed.) The COVID vaccine does NOT use the whole viral cell but take a scraping from the cell so that the COVID vaccine lacks the "Nuclear Access Enzyme" that allows all virus to change the DNA of your cells.
please learn how to rightly divide please you are destroying scripture..end times anyway....
Great to hear truth.. great job pastor
Matthew 24:29
King James Version
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Preconceived ideas make people miss the black and white of the Bible “after the tribulation” then he comes for us
The rapture must occur as a Christian CANNOT inherit the Kingdom without the catching away:
1 CORINTHIANS 15:49-53
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50Now this I say, brethren, that *flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;* neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51Behold, I shew you a *mystery;* We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the *dead shall be raised incorruptible,* and *we shall be changed.*
53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
A Christian cannot inherit the Kingdom because he is flesh and blood. Jesus told the rich young ruler who was a JEW UNDER THE LAW BEFORE THE CROSS to KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS AND SELL WHAT HE HAD AND GIVE TO THE POOR to have ETERNAL LIFE. Is that the gospel today? He was FLESH AND BLOOD! The mystery of the rapture was a MYSTERY revealed to Paul.
1 THESSALONIANS 4:13-18
But I would not have you to be *ignorant,* brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that *we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.*
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: *and the dead in Christ shall rise first:*
17Then *we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,* to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18Wherefore *comfort one another with these words.*
The Day of the Lord was prophesied in the Old Testament, the rapture of the Church is NOT.
TITUS 2:13
Looking for that *blessed hope,* and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
The rapture is called our BLESSED HOPE.
2 THESSALONIANS 2:1-3
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, *2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.* 3Let *no man deceive you by any means:* for *that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;*
The "Day of Christ" is not the rapture, as Christians would NOT be shaken in mind, or troubled that Jesus Christ is coming for His Church. Paul substitutes the term "Christ" for Lord showing a Biblical truth that Jesus IS the LORD God of the Old Testament. The Thessalonians were worried that they MISSED THE RAPTURE and the Tribulation was at hand.
The Day of Christ, the Second Advent, NOT THE RAPTURE, shall not come until the man of sin be revealed HALF WAY THROUGH DANIEL'S SEVENTIETH WEEK.
2 TIMOTHY 2
*Study to shew thyself approved unto God,* a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, *rightly dividing* the word of truth. 16But *shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.* 17And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; *18Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.*
Here are two heretics that Paul cites with scripture because they claimed the rapture was past: NOT THE SECOND ADVENT, as Every eye shall see Him. It makes no sense to claim that the resurrection here is at the end of the Tribulation. It also would overthrow the faith of a Christian as we are NOT appointed to wrath:
1 THESSALONIANS 5:9
*For God hath not appointed us to wrath,* but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
If God pours out His wrath on the Church, He is also doing this to His Son:
EPHESIANS 5:27-32
That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. *28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.* *29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:* *30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.* 31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a *great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.*
The Church is called a "chaste virgin," (2 Cor. 11:2) And we are "flesh of His flesh, and of His bones." What Groom beats his Bride before He marries her? She is a CHASTE VIRGIN!
When Jesus addresses the Apostles in Matthew about the end of the world the context is important:
MATTHEW 24:13-21
But he that *shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.*
14And this *gospel of the kingdom* shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16Then let them which be in *Judaea flee into the mountains:*
17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, *neither on the sabbath day:*
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
(v 40-41) Then shall two be in the field; *the one shall be taken, and the other left.*
41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; *the one shall be taken, and the other left.*
1. The men enduring to the end will be saved.
2. The gospel of the Kingdom is preached at the end as it was to the JEWS in Matthew 10:5-8. There are SIGNS AND WONDERS REQUIRED with this gospel (MARK 16:15-20)
3. Those that are in JUDEA are warned to flee into the mountains. Who is in Judea? Christians?
4. They are told to pray not to flee on a SABBATH DAY. WHO keeps the sabbath?
5. TWO GROUPS: One is taken, One is left- FROM THE LIVING.
The RAPTURE:
1 Cor. 15:51-52
51Behold, I shew you a *mystery;* We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the *dead shall be raised incorruptible,* and *we shall be changed.*
TWO GROUPS: BOTH ARE TAKEN, One from the dead, One from the living.
1 Thess. 2:16-17
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: *and the dead in Christ shall rise first:*
17Then *we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,* to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
TWO GROUPS: BOTH ARE TAKEN, One from the dead, One from the living.
Here is what Jesus Christ said to MARTHA:
JOHN 11:23-26
Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24Martha saith unto him, *I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.*
25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: *he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:*
*26And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.*
*Believest thou this?*
Martha understood the Day of the Lord, she knew NOTHING about the rapture.
TWO GROUPS: BOTH ARE TAKEN, One from the dead, One from the LIVING.
BELIEVEST THOU THIS?
1 Thess. 2:19
For what is our hope, or joy, *or crown of rejoicing?* *Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?* 20For ye are our glory and joy.
If you reject the rapture you will lose a crown of rejoicing. This man is trying to steal BOTH your blessed hope and your crown.
wow !
Hallalujeh 🎉
So the verses in the Bible don’t speak about the Blessed Hope? We will have to agree to disagree that the Rapture was given to us by Darby. I believe the Apostles wrote about it 2000 years ago.
2 Timothy 2:15 dividing right the word of God. 1 Corinthians 15, it’s a mystery meaning it hasn’t been revealed before, so for Mathew 24 it’s for the Jews but 1 Corinthians 15 God reveals to Paul there’s another rapture for the church 1 Thessalonians 4 the word is Harpazo (raptured, taken away) to be with the Lord (key) to be where? In heaven? There’s a pre tribulation not a post tribulation. No offense but in this study the word is not being correctly divided.
The rapture for the church was revealed afterwards and I think that’s where the confusion is in this bible study.
God bless everyone and we’ll see each others in heaven
Amen!
There are so many waiting here in Israel..The Covenant Keeping Followers!..A Lot of Prayer going on at s
"Mount Zion" ....
looking forward to Shavout!
Joel 2:32....
And it shall come to pass That Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord "Yeshua" Shall be "Delivered"
For in "Mount Zion" and in "Jerusalem"
"Shall Be ""Deliverance" As The Lord has Said? And in The 'Remnant" -( Jewish Brethren )
Whom the Lord Shall Call.
Obadiah 17......
Mark 4:29..
..1st Thessalonians 2:19......
Matthew 29:14....
GENESIS 49:10....
Zephaniah 2:1.....
2nd Thessalonians 2:1.......
Psalms 48:2.....
Psalms 42:1-2...
"Jeremiah 5:24"""
Matthew 11:28.....
Make your Calling and Election Sure!..
2nd Peter 1:10...
Philadelphia 2:12....
"Work out your "Own Salvation With FEAR and Trembling!...
last Trumpet is blown on SHAVOUT!...
Shalom.....
I was born again in 1972. My first Bible was a CI Scofield bible. Of course, I believed in the pre-trib rapture. After graduating from Bible college I began to question the eschatology of the contemporary church which is basically pre-trib. Now I am certain that it is not going to occur prior to a 7-year time of great tribulation. In fact the only place I see the time of the end clumped into a 7-year period is in the book of Daniel. Other than that it seems like it's always mentioned as 2 three and half year periods. I began to lean "mid trib".. I believe it could very well be post trib as well. My comment is 2 fold.
The Kingdom came in Jesus, then was distributed to all believers on pentecost. The Bible does not teach that we are being restored to the state of adam. It does not teach that he sinned and therefore God's plan was screwed up and he had to figure out a way to fix it. It teaches that before the foundations of the world Christ was crucified for our sins. Before the foundation of the world and after Revelation 22 The only things that change in eternity is Satan is no longer roaming free but he is cast into the lake of fire and Christ is no longer a bachelor, he has a wife. The bride of Christ.
So the purpose of the planet being created is the end goal, which is Christ having a bride and satan being destroyed.
Try not to look like EVERY other progressive pastor out there my guy
Paul tells us to "rightly divide the word of truth." Paul tells us that the word of truth is the gospel of our salvation. Our gospel is the gospel of the grace of God. The Jews were under the gospel of the kingdom.
We under the gospel of the grace of God are saved by belief of the death, burial and resurrection. I Corinthians 15:1-4.
The Jews under the gospel of the kingdom were saved by belief in Jesus Christ as the Son of God. That is why you see so many verses in Matthew through John talking about believing in the name of Jesus.
We will be raptured up and appear at the Judgment Seat of Christ.
The Jews and those who are not saved by belief of the gospel of the grace of God will have to go through the Tribulation.
There are three judgments that will occur after the Tribulation. These judgments are The Judgment of Israel in the Wilderness, The Judgment of the Sheep and Goat Nations and The Great White Throne Judgment.
What does an understanding of the New Covenant do to the Pretrib Rapture doctrine?
Since the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20, how is the New Covenant Church age going to end seven years before the Second Coming of Christ? Why would anyone think God is going back to the Old Covenant system now made “obsolete” by the New Covenant in Hebrews 8:13? We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
"It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view."
(The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197.) Tim LaHaye was co-author of the “Left Behind” books and movies which have convinced millions of modern Christians that the Church age ends seven years before the Second Coming of Christ. Recently, Pastor Matt Furse of Mountain View Baptist Church in Custer, S.D. has written a book titled “Which One Is Right?’, which reveals the recent history of the pretrib rapture doctrine, and the fact it does not agree with what is written in the King James Bible.
The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected.
The Greek words for “wrath” and “tribulation” are not the same word, as proven by the verse below.
Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Watch the UA-cam video “Pretribulation Paradox” by former pretrib believer skydiver626...
robust plans to build third temple underway, even Knesset is now on board...ahh the PRETERISTS and REPLACEMENT THEOLOGIANS are getting very nervous and unhinged!!!!!! :)
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Acts 1:9
Jesus Ascends to Heaven
Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.
Luke 21:25-28
New King James Version
The Coming of the Son of Man
25 “And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”
RAPTURE and RETURN are two different things, But as he said and as i tell other it not a doctrine of salvation and it not something to argue or divide over, but is a promise a reward to those who have set HIM as the LORD of there life and are kept from the wrath that will come , as a reward
Appreciate your view but it’s sad to see you repeat the misnomer that you do not find a pretrib rapture prior to the 18th century. Thats not true. Lee Brainard (among others) has done some work in this space and has identified many examples. Still safe to say it wasn’t the popular opinion but there are a lot of things that were popularly accepted by the Catholic Church during this time that we as evangelicals would whole heartedly agree are false doctrine.
Ah, you got me thinking!!! I gotta go back to Revelations and re-study this more carefully!!!
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I appreciate this message. You have definitely helped me to understand "replacement theology" a lot better. 100% agree that rather we meet Jesus before the tribulation or after, people better be ready. 2 Tim 4:1-4 I respectfully disagree with your assessment in this sermon based on allowing the bible to interpret the bible, also. I would offer a different perspective offered by Pastor Jack Hibbs at Calvary Chapel Chino Hills. ua-cam.com/video/8yBfHgx8d88/v-deo.htmlsi=2P34Jmi6TW4jH-SN I guess time will tell which view is correct. As for me, I am just going to be ready whenever the Lord takes me home!
I can’t tell if he has a historic premillennial view or a amillennial of the end times.
semi- historic premil
Sounds like either historical or classical premillennialism - but possibly post millennial. I love the former, yet the latter is somewhat problematic in my view.
This is a reformed rendering of scripture.
The Early Church Fathers clearly taught the Pre-Tribulation catching up or Hardpzo / rapture of the Church. Jesus taught this Mystery in John 14:6. Jesus is coming for His Bride & He paid for our Sins & we will not experience the Wrath of God. The word Bible, Grandfather or Trinity is not also found in the Bible. Darby, is not the origin of this doctrine. The rapture is not secret, but He will come as a Thief & we the Church needs to be ready for Christ, not ready to be beat up & taking God’s Wrath. I have studied this doctrine a lot & your presentation took a very narrow approach
Yes…. Exactly I used to think we all be sucked up n miss the pain n suffering but doesn’t make any sense. Just false hope ! This is how NT Wright unpacks it
You're wrong
The Tribulation is for the jew not the bride. Why would God put His bride through that? Seems odd. It's for the Jews b/c the "require a sign." J Vernon McCee was mid trib. I don't view this as a separting issue but I do have strong Dispensational views. I don't believe the rapture will be secret. The world will know.
Sounds like at times he’s arguing for either historical or classical premillennialism - but then shifts possibly to post millennial. I love the former, yet the latter is somewhat problematic in my view.
What about the concept that we stay on the earth through the time of tribulation (Matthew 24), but when the wrath of God is poured out, we are gathered, taken, raptured to be with Jesus? After this, those not appointed to wrath, who come out of the tribulation, appear in Heaven (Rev 7). You are assuming a literal 1,000 year Kingdom on the physical earth (plausible, but not absolute). Check the Greek on "taken" between Noah's time and the two . . . airo vs. lambano
Matthew 24 was not addressed to or about the Body of Christ Church. It's Israel's doctrine and according to their prophecy. Only Paul was writing to the Body of Christ Church. Mixing Israel's doctrine with Paul's doctrine for the Body of Christ Church instead of rightly dividing between the two, can only cause confusion: like the pre wrath view.
@@bugsocsollie1694 one man's clarity is another's confusion.
@CrossPointeofTexarkana Yeah, I can help clear up some of that confusion for you, if you're interested in knowing the Truth.
@@bugsocsollie1694 Wow! That is quite the offer, but I will pass.
@@CrossPointeofTexarkana Yeah, just stick to tradition.
This man needs to stop reading commentaries so definitive source for interpreting the Bible. A pre-tribulation rapture is defined in the Bible in Revelation 4:1
Paul proves there is no pretrib rapture. Where? 2Thess. 2:1-3. How? He says the day of our gathering together unto him (rapture) will not happen unless the apostasy happens first, and the man of Lawlessness is revealed. So where is the imminent pretrib rapture in that?
Except that isn't what he says. He says the day of the Lord shall not come except the departure happens first and that man of sin is revealed.
2 Thes 2:6 AND NOW YOU KNOW...
@@bugsocsollie1694 Well, if that was what Paul was saying then in essence he said the rapture (our gathering together unto him) cannot happen unless the rapture happens first. Does that many sense?
@Mike65809 The Day of the Lord is the day Christ returns to earth and sets up His Kingdom after Destroying the kingdoms of this world. The Thessalonians were worried that the day of the Lord WAS AT HAND, near. THAT DAY, the Day of the Lord shall not come except the falling away or Departure happens first and the man of sin is revealed.
The Rapture
The rapture will happen after the Antichrist is revealed and before Jesus come back again in Jerusalem to be King of Peace on earth.
Other than that is merely speculation.
Theological conclusions can be wrong but the Bible never wrong.
We believe the Bible only.
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,
2 Thessalonians 2:2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us -whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter -asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
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you dont think thats fruitful for the Christian life....BUT...preaching heresy is fruitful for the christian life
You are literaly upside down on everything.
Pretrib rapture - no. Postrib rapture - yes, I’m all for that.
HOWEVER , it sounds as if he’s mixing the postrib rapture with the post-milliniall view. The latter is problematic.
It very well could be a salvation issue....if you have bievers thinking they are escaping all the hell then they could loose their faith in Jesus and apostate. It most certainly is a salvation issue. Jesus tells us throughout scripture we will be persecuted for his name up unto death.
Actually, Jesus told Israel that, not the Body of Christ Church. That is exactly what makes it a possible salvation issue: not keeping Paul's Gospel of Grace rightly divided from Israel's Gospel and doctrine. Adding any of Israel's requirements to our free gift, renders another Gospel that can not save anyone.
RAPTURE AND TIME NOW, KEEP LOOKING UP AS IT IS VERY SOON.....
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We're CURRENTLY IN the tribulation, y'all, next is the Mark of the beast!!!
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@@danielreppuhn6414 Ditto !
When was the peace treaty signed with Israel?
Oh my Lord.. please forgive this man.. and my friends that are a member of his church and have actually bought into this deception, be careful, Jesus's response to his disciples question when will these things happen was "take heed that no man deceive you".. this mans doctrine is so so wrong all around.. please be careful and Robby, you will be held accountable for what you preach, so preach in fear
What do you mean he is teaching false teaching?
This is a very silly statement, a pre trib rapture belief doesn't create a sense of urgency in preaching the Gospel or in getting right with GOD. I know I grew up in that and walked away for 30 years. Always with the belief, hey, I can always have my head chopped off after it happens and go to heaven. Did the people in Noah's time or Lots have a second chance? When I came to Christ I studied the bible intensely for the last four years and came to this same conclusion. I will say this, deception is very real, and this pre trib deception has created a fat lazy church just as the devil wants it to be. Your comment is very grand standing. Just remember that the path is narrow, truth is less frequent than lies and the masses have many things wrong and will hear,depart from me I never knew you. God bless
@@miguelmaldonado5422 He's not. Some pretribbles are quite militant. I think it is because they are desperate to cling to a teaching that has not one single verse to prove it.
@@andrewcrichton2238 its interesting Andrew that you brought up Noah and Lot... because in both examples you brought up God was about to judge and he was preforming a rescue of those who regarded his warnings to prepare.. in Noahs time, while the rain came down, Noah and his 7 family members went up but were safe on an ark protected from the judgement that was being unleashed all around them again reiterated in matthew 24:37 as it was in the days of noah so it will be again at the return of the Son of man.. In Lots days as well God again was doing a rescue before judgement set in... and both of these examples are reiterated by the NT apostles set forth as examples as to what God plans in doing in the end... this pastor along with you are blinded to the fact that God gave us instructions as to how to act and what to look for as we see these days approaching... he is about to judge the world and does not desire to allow his bride the true"church" to suffer under it... why Andrew?.. because we have not been appointed to Gods wrath because our punishment was placed upon Jesus in the cross... so the generation that was to see the fulfillment of matthew 24 and in Luke were too watch and be vigilant and encourage one another ever so much more as we see the day approaching... Rapture isn't a new concept derived in the last 200 years by a few gullible preachers who was to create a doctrine of escapism as this preacher alleges... Andrew who wrote the Bible? God or men? It was men inspired by the Spirit of God so the scriptures weren't written based upon man's wisdom but upon God's preeminence through men so to allege what John meant and what Paul was seeing is irrelevant... the Bible is God's book and the doctrine of Rapture was foreshadowed in the first chapter of the first book of the Bible GENESIS and all throughout... several of examples! Why Andrew i ask?... because Is 46:9:10 God says he declared the end from THE BEGINNING meaning that he foreshadowed the events of the very end from the very beginning.. now how did he do that Andrew?.. because in Genesis 1 he separated the waters from beneath from the waters above and the waters above were called the firmament and the waters beneath were the seas.. but what does John call the water in revelation Andrew? Revelation 17:15
Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages .. so what does that mean Andrew?.. that waters are people's and he will separate the waters from above from the waters beneath, he will bring one people up and leave the others down, he will bring Noah and his family up upon the waters in an ark and leave the others down in judgement, he will bring lot and his daughters up upon the mountain to escape judgement while he leaves those to be judged, down. This requires true study, not a man who says he could be wrong and maybe next year could think different.. souls are in the brink and preparation needs to be properly conveyed by a true man of God... not this guy who doesn't know
@andrewcrichton2238 The urgency that pretrib believers have to spread the gospel comes from a sense that the season is upon us. Weather that's a rapture or all hell is going to break lose for the tribulation to begin who knows. But yes, yes, it does create an urgency. Not laziness. The urgency to tell everyone because something is going to happen. I find your comment strange. Also if you used to believe in a pretrib then why would you think getting your head cut off would save you? That is what many who are not raptured will face when God's wrath is poured out in the tribulation so not sure why you correlate that with pretrib belief. You're statement about Noah and Lot sounds like an oxymoron. Who got a second chance...Noah and his family and Lot and his family. Don't forget the entire city of Nineveh. Doesn't seem odd at all that God would give true believers a way to escape the wrath of the tribulation. Either way pre/post/mid we should all be ready for any of those outcomes. No sense arguing over this stuff. Very divisive topic for a sermon.