Cheers mate, My Father, Brother and I invented this kit 20+ years ago. We investigated how position control works in a 35 and matched the profile of the internal cam within the housing of the 35 and found a way that we could get it to work external on a Grey Fergy. As you know pulling apart the cross shaft on a Grey Fergy is not for the faint hearted. Once we had it working, which we really only did to see if it could be done, we thought that others might appreciate it. Have been selling them constantly ever since. During the course of manufacture of the tractors there seems to have been some slight thickness changes on the quadrant mounting pad and so some springs do end up a little out of alignment, I have suggested to a couple that have contacted me about this issue to file out the hole slightly and shift it away from the body of the tractor, it was designed as you supposed to rest on the housing, but the bolt should be done up nice and tight so should hold the forces ok. Thanks for the review and happy tractors.
Thanks Stephen, It seems to work well but Im thinking you knew that. You must have sold a few as they seem to be coming out of the woodwork. If you want to sell them through Queensland Tractor Spares let me know and we can stock them. lance@queenslandtractorspares.com.au.
Guess what,after years of waiting the right people come along and fitted the solonoid gear start and it works without any trouble,also Alan painted my 2 front lights+is. Going to fit them!!! He took the carb and away and brought it back almost new!!! What a man knows everything about the little fergies and I am so grateful for all the help he has given to me and the fergie!!!new lease of life for it now THANKYOU ALAN!!!joe south lakes cumbria.
Love this video watched it twice before starting and once during the project. And again to be sure I didn’t miss anything. Thanks Lance I appreciate all your help
G'Day Lance, nicely done very similar to how my install went, just like to mention that the Ferguson instructions tell you that when fitting such implements as slashers, post hole diggers etc. you should use the long pin beneath the draught control link pin so by passing it altogether. Really enjoy your videos. Thank you.
G’day Lance. Well you taught me something today. I had no idea that the top centre linkage automatically lifted the 3 point linkage up when a load was placed on it. Nice work mate 👍 . Cheers 🍻 Aaron
Nice to see how quick and smooth that three point moves. It's on the project list for my pair of 35s this spring (TO and MF). I know you're keeping this Fergie rusty, but you might want to experiment with a mix I found on Vice Grip Garage channel: 1 part spirits:2 parts boiled linseed oil. Then wipe it on (thin coat is best). It protects the surface and it's cheap. Lasts six months or a year or more depending on weathering. It will keep the relic look of this Fergie. I used it on the badly fading MF35 red paint and it revitalized it rather than repainting the tractor.
to30 trans rear end swap, once the engine was removed we seen one trans had extra parts in bell housing and a lever. Can you tell what is going on please. should I swap out the extra parts, why are they not the same. Great chanel.
Had one of these many years ago. And I saw one at a show in ireland converted to four wheel drive .It was connected somehow to the plate on lift lever side of the back end
Hi, newbie Fergie TO-20 owner... so with position controller installed, will I be able to put a load on the arms in other positions besides full up and full down? thanks!
@@BundyBearsShed thank you. I emailed the place you suggested and Steven got right back to me. I expect to order the positioner very soon ...just ordered new gas tank & upper arms, so trying to stretch out expenses! I am grateful for your video help. Happy Tractoring!
Just removed this system from my latest tea20. Possibly poorly installed but the linkage would not in the lowest position. All the way down then it would lift 2-3 inches. The bolts were also loose and the movement had allowed dust and moisture into the transmission.
Had a similar problem, turns out where the quadrant lever pushes on the control arms inside the lift cover was worn and pitted, with matching wear on the corresponding plate on the control arm. Net result was there wasn't enough "throw" when the quadrant lever was rotated. Solved it by sleeving the end on the quadrant to 20mm with some aluminium tube.
@@BundyBearsShed Thanks for the reply. I can check it in case it has picked up some muck from its previous unknown maintenance history, although I did clean it and put fresh oil in it a year ago wih little use since. Any other possibilities in case that is not the problem?? Many thanks.
@@BundyBearsShed You misunderstand. You stated the 4 bolts that hold the draught control lever are smacked on an anvil to distort the threads thus providing a lock. In my opinion better achieved by either lock nuts or self locking nuts.
Hi Lance, Just got one of these kits and yet to fit it. Your vid is most helpful. I wish to use it with a jib where draft control (movement) would be quite dangerous especially if lifting something in a confined space. I notice in your vid that there was still some noticeable movement in the draft function. Do you have any suggestions whereby I can totally disable the draft movement? I guess attaching the upper linkage to the lower pin would do this, however I would have to make up an adaptor to do this as the jib has a square section on the end which sits between the upper bracket. Thanks. Marcus
My reactor is very stable with the kit fitted and Im thinking with a load on the jib crane as it is pulling on the spring and not pushing you may not have a problem. The only adjustment is on the spring so if you do have a problem possibly try to fiddle with that. Best option is use the lower mount though if possible.
Hi LANCE,just wondering if you can replace or override gear start on a fergie te20 1950 to electric key start,it has a 12volt battery +this old fella cannot hit gearstart at all,so the alternative would be great,thanks for all your youtube videos I love them take care joe crabtree newbybridge Cumbria uk
@@BundyBearsShed THANKYOU LANCE,do you just run live+ negative wires to a starter as there is already a solenoid on the fergie te20 thankyou joe south lakes cumbria uk
The TE20 doesnt have a solenoid standard that thing on the bell housing is a switch, the idea is to replace that with a solenoid that is key operated, copy the wiring from the switch and you will be away and running
Hi Lance I see Neil has posted that you are supposed to use the long pin underneath the draft control, I'm not sure how to make that work. Do you know of a way to hook top link up to that? Cheers mate. 👍🤠 ps enjoyed the video.
The genuine Fergy implements had a fork for the lower pin, I still use the top pin on mine and adjust it so there is no slop in the spring and it works ok .
@@BundyBearsShed I've found I have problems grading my driveway, its quite rutted and hard. Would it hurt if I took the draft link pin out all together? Even replace it with a smaller diameter pin when I'm grading to keep it all aligned. Thanks for answering so quickly. Cheers mate 👍🤠
thanks lance - looks a useful gizmo but does it compromise the draft control at expense of accurate raise control in your opinion? really appreciate all your vids keep it up cheers guy in sheffield yorkshire
Scuffler? I had to look that one up. The dictionaries say that’s like a scarifier, only lighter. Or a cultivator. Or maybe it’s a small Australian rodent? 😄
Cheers mate, My Father, Brother and I invented this kit 20+ years ago. We investigated how position control works in a 35 and matched the profile of the internal cam within the housing of the 35 and found a way that we could get it to work external on a Grey Fergy. As you know pulling apart the cross shaft on a Grey Fergy is not for the faint hearted. Once we had it working, which we really only did to see if it could be done, we thought that others might appreciate it. Have been selling them constantly ever since.
During the course of manufacture of the tractors there seems to have been some slight thickness changes on the quadrant mounting pad and so some springs do end up a little out of alignment, I have suggested to a couple that have contacted me about this issue to file out the hole slightly and shift it away from the body of the tractor, it was designed as you supposed to rest on the housing, but the bolt should be done up nice and tight so should hold the forces ok.
Thanks for the review and happy tractors.
Well Done
Thanks Stephen, It seems to work well but Im thinking you knew that. You must have sold a few as they seem to be coming out of the woodwork. If you want to sell them through Queensland Tractor Spares let me know and we can stock them. lance@queenslandtractorspares.com.au.
Waxwork
Guess what,after years of waiting the right people come along and fitted the solonoid gear start and it works without any trouble,also Alan painted my 2 front lights+is. Going to fit them!!! He took the carb and away and brought it back almost new!!! What a man knows everything about the little fergies and I am so grateful for all the help he has given to me and the fergie!!!new lease of life for it now THANKYOU ALAN!!!joe south lakes cumbria.
Good stuff.
Love this video watched it twice before starting and once during the project. And again to be sure I didn’t miss anything. Thanks Lance I appreciate all your help
Awesome! Thank you!
Just got one for my 53 Fergie and will fit this weekend. Showed me how simple it will be. Cheers for the Videos.
I hope it goes well for you Bryan.
Thanks Lance, I’d put mine on a few months ago with no real dramas. Glad to see I did mine the same way as you!
It is a simple thing and it works.
G'Day Lance, nicely done very similar to how my install went, just like to mention that the Ferguson instructions tell you that when fitting such implements as slashers, post hole diggers etc. you should use the long pin beneath the draught control link pin so by passing it altogether. Really enjoy your videos. Thank you.
Yes but the trouble comes when many slashers etc come with the standard top link mount
G’day Lance. Well you taught me something today. I had no idea that the top centre linkage automatically lifted the 3 point linkage up when a load was placed on it. Nice work mate 👍 . Cheers 🍻 Aaron
No problem 👍
Interesting kit, those guy were thinking to come up with it to fix the problem, thanks for showing us how it works!
No problem 👍
Man you are cranking the videos out lately, great to see thanks Lance
This is the end of the series in a week or so the MF65 gets started on.
Thanks Lance I’ve heard of them before but it’s great to finally see one in use
Glad to help
Thanks Lance
I’ve been wanting to see you do this clip, you have explained it so well I could argue with you about it now, thanking you muchly 👍🏼
Thanks Geoff
Hello Lance, Thanks for the video. I was not aware that this upgrade was available. Looks like a good thing. Regards, Charles @ Nerimbera.
It seems to be a good thing for sure.
Nice to see how quick and smooth that three point moves. It's on the project list for my pair of 35s this spring (TO and MF).
I know you're keeping this Fergie rusty, but you might want to experiment with a mix I found on Vice Grip Garage channel: 1 part spirits:2 parts boiled linseed oil. Then wipe it on (thin coat is best). It protects the surface and it's cheap. Lasts six months or a year or more depending on weathering. It will keep the relic look of this Fergie. I used it on the badly fading MF35 red paint and it revitalized it rather than repainting the tractor.
I have painted it with Penetrol since filming, the rust has darkened and the grey still looks close to the same.
Need to try this on my Massey
Great vid mate! My 58 Fergie is low on pressure, needs high rpm to lift 3point hatch, is there a pressure adjustment for it.
Not really an adjustment but you could try replacing the stand pipe o rings and the piston rings and see if that helps before working on the pump.
Thanks Lance I will be looking for one of these kits for mine. Great video as always
Any time!
Fantastic intro there Lance.
Glad you like it!
Thank you Lance,Could have done with it 50 years ago Good idea
Yes me too.
Hi Lance, Have you ever looked into position control device designed by Jeff Miller?
No this is the only one so far. If you have info send to bundybearsshed@gmail.com please and I will look into it.
to30 trans rear end swap, once the engine was removed we seen one trans had extra parts in bell housing and a lever. Can you tell what is going on please. should I swap out the extra parts, why are they not the same. Great chanel.
It sounds like a Sherman reduction. You are very lucky if it is.
@@BundyBearsShed thanks thanks! thanks!!, you are the man
Had one of these many years ago. And I saw one at a show in ireland converted to four wheel drive .It was connected somehow to the plate on lift lever side of the back end
Interesting for sure, there is another type I see in the USA
Hi. Lance.
Very interesting vid. Just wondered why they didn't supply bushes for bottom two slots as well on quadrant fixture?
Martin.
Good question!
Lance. I have cleaned the pump. freed up the mechanism and when i lower the arms its very slow. Can this be adjusted or is this normal?
Can be normal with a rusty top shaft, it sshould get quicker with some load
Hi, newbie Fergie TO-20 owner... so with position controller installed, will I be able to put a load on the arms in other positions besides full up and full down? thanks!
Yes you can.
@@BundyBearsShed thank you. I emailed the place you suggested and Steven got right back to me. I expect to order the positioner very soon ...just ordered new gas tank & upper arms, so trying to stretch out expenses! I am grateful for your video help. Happy Tractoring!
Now then Lance, would you mind sharing a link to this sparex kit, am struggling to actually find it, thank you.
It is not a Sparex part but there is a ph no in the video of the Australian supplier.
Hi, My linkage will lift up but not go down. I have to put all my weight on the back to force it down. Any suggestions please?
Check the end bolts on the top shaft are not too tight and possibly adjust the lever position where the 4 bolts are.
Just removed this system from my latest tea20. Possibly poorly installed but the linkage would not in the lowest position. All the way down then it would lift 2-3 inches. The bolts were also loose and the movement had allowed dust and moisture into the transmission.
Too loose possibly?
Had a similar problem, turns out where the quadrant lever pushes on the control arms inside the lift cover was worn and pitted, with matching wear on the corresponding plate on the control arm. Net result was there wasn't enough "throw" when the quadrant lever was rotated. Solved it by sleeving the end on the quadrant to 20mm with some aluminium tube.
Hi Lance it would be interesting to see how it would work on a plough if you could use draft and position,as you can on a 35 cheers Ian
No not really but 2 bolts and the cam is off out of the way.
Hi Lance. Can I pick your brains. We have a 135 with jerky hydraulics. Any ideas what that could be. Many thanks.
Possibly bad filter where the pump is not getting enough oil.
@@BundyBearsShed Thanks for the reply. I can check it in case it has picked up some muck from its previous unknown maintenance history, although I did clean it and put fresh oil in it a year ago wih little use since. Any other possibilities in case that is not the problem?? Many thanks.
Possible to replace the 4 bolts with studs and then lock nuts or self locking nuts? Better than using damaged threads.
No not really but 2 bolts and the cam is off out of the way.
@@BundyBearsShed You misunderstand. You stated the 4 bolts that hold the draught control lever are smacked on an anvil to distort the threads thus providing a lock. In my opinion better achieved by either lock nuts or self locking nuts.
Sorry John, I agree for sure with over 60 messages yesterday morning it looks like the wrong reply got added to your message.
@@BundyBearsShed No worries old timer.
Hi Lance, Just got one of these kits and yet to fit it. Your vid is most helpful. I wish to use it with a jib where draft control (movement) would be quite dangerous especially if lifting something in a confined space. I notice in your vid that there was still some noticeable movement in the draft function. Do you have any suggestions whereby I can totally disable the draft movement? I guess attaching the upper linkage to the lower pin would do this, however I would have to make up an adaptor to do this as the jib has a square section on the end which sits between the upper bracket. Thanks. Marcus
My reactor is very stable with the kit fitted and Im thinking with a load on the jib crane as it is pulling on the spring and not pushing you may not have a problem. The only adjustment is on the spring so if you do have a problem possibly try to fiddle with that. Best option is use the lower mount though if possible.
@@BundyBearsShed OK, thanks for that. Will see how it goes.
Awesome thanks lance I’ll look to get one🙂
They seem to work well.
Hallo,
Kann man das kaufen?
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Maik Renz
Look up Fergy Positioner in Australia.
If I am never using implements that enter the ground, can I adjust the original mechanism to give better positional control?
Possibly adjust it as good as you can. The big spring adjustment is very important on these tractors.
Hi LANCE,just wondering if you can replace or override gear start on a fergie te20 1950 to electric key start,it has a 12volt battery +this old fella cannot hit gearstart at all,so the alternative would be great,thanks for all your youtube videos I love them take care joe crabtree newbybridge Cumbria uk
Yes you can for sure by using a solenoid like on the FE35 or MF35 petrol tractors. Thats how they do it.
@@BundyBearsShed THANKYOU LANCE,do you just run live+ negative wires to a starter as there is already a solenoid on the fergie te20 thankyou joe south lakes cumbria uk
The TE20 doesnt have a solenoid standard that thing on the bell housing is a switch, the idea is to replace that with a solenoid that is key operated, copy the wiring from the switch and you will be away and running
I could only give you one thumbs up. Here’s another👍
Thanks again!👍👍
Hi Lance I see Neil has posted that you are supposed to use the long pin underneath the draft control, I'm not sure how to make that work. Do you know of a way to hook top link up to that? Cheers mate. 👍🤠 ps enjoyed the video.
The genuine Fergy implements had a fork for the lower pin, I still use the top pin on mine and adjust it so there is no slop in the spring and it works ok .
@@BundyBearsShed I've found I have problems grading my driveway, its quite rutted and hard. Would it hurt if I took the draft link pin out all together? Even replace it with a smaller diameter pin when I'm grading to keep it all aligned. Thanks for answering so quickly. Cheers mate 👍🤠
My spring feels tight as.
Where do i purchase these kits thank you
Google Fergy Positioner I think the ph no is in the video from memory.
Could you fit the Ford lift top to the Ferguson , that would give position and draft
Im not sure, something I have never thought of.
thanks lance - looks a useful gizmo but does it compromise the draft control at expense of accurate raise control in your opinion? really appreciate all your vids keep it up cheers guy in sheffield yorkshire
Yes it does, to go to full draft again undo 2 bolts that hole the cam on the lift shaft.
Do they have something equivalent for the 135?
135 is standard with position control, just get the levers in the correct place.
Better to swap out the four bolts for four studs, with nylon nuts.
Yes something I hadnt thought of.
Great video!!
Glad you enjoyed it
how have you treated your tractor to keep that nice patina?
Penetrol
Para que la s marcada e. La caja de cambios
Yes I think so.
Excellent!
Thank you! Cheers!
Scuffler? I had to look that one up. The dictionaries say that’s like a scarifier, only lighter. Or a cultivator. Or maybe it’s a small Australian rodent? 😄
lol Scarifier it is.
What is the title of the book you are referring to?
Either the Ferguson repair manual or the fitting instruction.
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no this one got me fuked /// looks good
Its a good thing.
That didn’t make any sense as being useful to me
It works well with a slasher/ Tpooer on the back of a little Fergy.