MiSTer FPGA Review 2021: Arcade & Console Accuracy!
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- I suppose it's better late than never. Thanks to the generosity of a gracious individual I've been able to take a look the growing ever more popular MiSTer FPGA hardware. It's goal of arcade accuracy has long been an interest of mine but I've been unable to experience this first hand until now. Oh, and there is a little thing called the MiSTerCade on it's way as well.
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One of my favorite things about MiSTer is the audio reproduction. The devs have incorporated MDFourier to pretty much match the original hardware exactly, and it's awesome. People have been trying to get Analogue and RetroUSB to do this as well and they haven't even acknowledged MDFourier's existence AFAIK.
And that is something I am not familiar with either. I’ll have to read into that one. Thanks for mentioning this.
With the digital output tho, the onboard implementation is quite poor.
I got mine a week ago and I've been loving it. Was looking for a video that explains what MiSTer is but without getting too technical, so I could share it with others- and I found this to be perfect. Very well done, thank you!
This was really my first stab at playing with it and then trying to talk about it. I was still very much a novice when I made this which I kind of liked because it helped to water things down a little.
@@ScarletSprites that was my exact thoughts. I've had mine about a week and loved it. Some friends were interested and I wanted a video that could explain what it was without getting too technical
One area where the MiSTer absolutely decimates the MegaSG is in the Genesis core dither blending. Composite Blend>Adaptive is amazing.
Alright then, there’s another thing for me to look into.
In RGB? and on a crt as well?
@@KidApoc yep, and yep
@@kirabate 🤯 say it ain’t so. The Mega SG only allows me to do dithering via HDMI but not via the DAC.
Would love if someone can come up with a drop in chip(or an fpga?)for the original systems,to allow dithering via RGB Scart,Component and S-Video on a Crt.
@@KidApoc That will be great. I Play my Genesis games on MISTer on a consumer CRT by Component and also on a 31khz Pc crt by VGA, it works in both. Not to say HDMI works perfectly to.
Oh sheeeeeet! He did it! Finally the MiSTer video!
First of a few possibly. Just getting started!
@@ScarletSprites BRING IT.
For the audio accuracy alone, the MiSTer is so exciting. Extreme accuracy for old PCs is also a really cool functionality. Cant wait to see what the future holds.
Damm I've just discovered this channel.. So underrated! Quality content here!
Thanks man. Try to keep it down though. I don’t want word getting out now and ruining my rep.
Welcome aboard, MiSTer has made my real hardware consoles gather dust for most of the time.
I can definitely see how that could happen easily.
LOVE my MiSTer. Best purchase of 2020. I'd been following the project for a while and finally was able to make the jump. The updates in such a short time have been incredible. It also makes streaming these systems a breeze. I almost feel bad using it over my actual hardware sitting right next to it.
It’s funny you say that. It’s nearly the exact comment I made to someone else. Easy to enjoy once you get over the guilt!
Really nice and simple explanation of an fpga device.
Thanks. I always try to flirt with that line. You have your MLiG and RetroRGB channels for the real deep tech dives. I try to just give overviews from a more mainstream perspective.
@@ScarletSprites you did a great job explaining it without falling down the technical rabbit hole. “Cycle perfect accuracy” is my go to phrase. Thanks for the video :-)
I have one in my Astro City using a JPAC. It unleashed my arcade machine, truly.
That's been a tempting proposition. I've looked at that setup a few times but decided to wait out the MiSTerCade.
@@ScarletSprites I totally get that. Assuming you're in the same country as Porkchop as well the barrier of entry is a lot more forgiving. One thing is abundantly clear with either solution: the MiSTer made my previously dedicated Neo Geo MVS-machine a much more versatile experience. So many great arcade games I couldn't dream of playing and the fantastic console libraries now running native. I'm not talking about Final Fantasy VI, I'm talking about games like Final Soldier and Axelay. Me and my wife play 1v1 Dr Mario native on the Astro City. It's such a cool experience!
I love the MiSTer and FPGA. When I first found out about the MiSTer I wondered could it run later systems, I found a YT video from RTL Engineering that goes into detail about what the current DE10 nano can support and offers a suggestion about more powerful (and expensive) alternatives for FPGAs that could support up to 6th gen consoles in his estimation.
I have little doubt this will be an ongoing development thing from the hardware perspective as well. I know current discussion is that entering into 3D era is much more difficult than 2D, but give it time. In ten years I’d like to see where we are in that regards. Someone always finds a way.
Great video, man. Glad to hear the thoughts of another arcade collector on the Mister project. My buddy has been into Mister for a couple years, but he's been out of physical board/game collecting for a while so it's nice to hear the perspective of somebody that values retro arcade collecting. I switched back to a physical collection of games a few years back after being digital for classic games for almost a decade for a variety of reasons, but I've been specifically interested in the Mister to put in a Jamma cab for games other than Neo/Naomi/CPS2. I still love the ritual of switching game carts in consoles (which is why I still do that for my analogue consoles even though they are all jailbroken), but for most arcade games I want cycle accurate versions of and don't want to buy an old/unreliable board to further protect and store, a Mister would be a wonderful compliment to my arcade collection. Looking forward to what you have to say about the arcade/jamma adaptor your testing. Cheers!
I think my comment to most people who have asked if this means I’ll sell physical collection off is no. But, it does probably prompt me from purchasing future carts and maybe even a few boards. Especially in the arcade world where you can dump $500 on a pcb and then have it fail on you at some point. I just like having a reliable and accurate backup option. This has been music to my ears.
Wow that is very generous! I have been thinking about getting MiSTer for a while now. Even been to websites and put things in my cart but just never pulled the trigger. I would mostly use it for arcade as well but also older computers. Maybe one of these days I'll get around to getting one... Great video as always!
I had everything in my cart a few times in 2019 and other priorities just kind of took precedence. It’s certainly not at all cheap to get started. That said though, the bang for the buck is worth it and is ever growing.
I have been patiently waiting out for the CPS2 core but, I was pleasantly surprised by how much I am enjoying the NEOGEO and SNES cores while I wait. Great investment.
Yeah definitely a great bang for your buck device. There’s a lot to explore even if you’re waiting on something specific. I may be an outlier but I’m hoping for some Konami games or PGM.
Great video! I’m in a similar position, except I sold all my original carts so I just have the Mega Sg, Super Nt, and their respective flash carts. I play exclusively via FPGA/flash cart so this sounds like a great way to pivot and pocket some extra cash without missing out on too much. There is something to be said about the overall packaging and design of Analogue units, but man if it isn’t tempting to see what the MiSTer hype is all about.
I tried to emphasize in the video a little that I do like the Analogue units. I’m kind of curious how much I’ll be using them versus just switching on MiSTer now. The convenience of an all in one has been bliss.
@@ScarletSprites I only have one hooked up at a time so bouncing between consoles at will would be a blessing. Looking forward to seeing more of your thoughts down the road.
Fantastic video. owning this for a couple of years been awesome. Sometimes a little learning curve. One thing I learned, any new core update you should also update the os mister core to make sure you solved any issues. I am setting up a new bartop just for this. I recommend this to everyone. Thanks for sharing. Enjoy your mister!!!!
I found the first day to be the hardest, but after that I was fine. I struggled to get the ‘C’ button to work with Neo Geo, which was odd, but I gave up on the Bliss-Box and just plugged it right in to the low latency port. It’s been fine since.
Dude, I just got gifted a Mister and need to get my knowledge up on this device. This video came out at the perfect time. Thank you!
Awesome man! Enjoy it, it’s tough going back once you get passed the feeling like you’re cheating on your original hardware.
Even if getting cores made for MiSTer can be quite an arduous process depending on the hardware you're working with, this has been the FPGA development platform I was waiting for to finally sink my teeth into this and make cores for the arcade games I enjoy (some are becoming almost inaccessible unless you have deep pockets and alternative solutions aren't quite there yet, which is the motivation behind me getting involved with this project) along with a few side-projects along the way. I got my MiSTer in late 2018 to experiment with what was already available, and it's snowballed from there after deciding to make a core for Arkanoid. I'm hoping to get Gradius and Salamander going someday (hopefully, I can have those at least booting by about halfway through the year or a little after that), but right now, I have some older Konami designs to work on so I get the best idea of how their hardware evolved over time and make the process (hopefully) that little bit easier.
I’d love to see Salamander make an appearance on MiSTer! It’s been a few years but I was able to play it at a barcade in Columbus. I’ve considered buying the pcb a few times but as you mention, boards are just becoming more and more expensive. I have hopes of seeing more Konami titles making their way to MiSTer. Best of luck with that endeavor!
@@ScarletSprites Thanks! It won't be easy with how much logic is hidden in custom components on Konami boards, but at least with the two I'm working on now, Iron Horse and Jackal, I'm starting to get somewhere (it's mostly the graphics logic that is made excessively complicated on the Konami boards I've looked at so far). This should help for Salamander once I get to it.
Absolutely love my Mister! Have it setup on a RGB modded 27" Trinitron and it feels exactly like playing with the original hardware. The arcade cores are gorgeous on a Trinitron as well!
Everyone keeps saying that. I’m going to have to give that a shot. It sounds glorious.
It is a rabbit hole to be sure but a well rewarded one if you want that period appropriate feel in the highest quality possible.
Someone needs to do a pepsi challenge...a real snes, vs a mini, vs a mister, vs a raspberry pi, vs...a cfw console, vs an analogue...they can only see the tv and feel the pad
At the risk of being taboo for this type of audience I’ll mention that I really only get upset when it’s glaringly noticeable. Sure, there’s no reason for me to not want perfection and I strive for that, especially on certain games. In general though I only gripe when I know it’s off and I can feel it.
@@ScarletSprites I think that’s fair for the majority of people who may stumble across this video. They want it to be unnoticeable and I think only the strictest of enthusiasts would be able to accurate call out differences.
Excellent video, I just got a MiSTer FPGA myself and totally fell in love with it straight away
It impressed me more than I thought it would. I really like how quick and bloat free it feels. Pretty slick little device.
WELCOME to the club!! :)
Thanks man!
I am excited to see you test and play the arcade version when it's available.
Yeah I’m definitely looking forward to the MiSTerCade. I feel like I’ve been waiting on that for two years.
I've been following MISTer for a while. And I'll probably get one myself.
same, have been checking here and there, mainly Smokemonster's chanel. Soon I think I will invest on buying a MiSTer instead of buying the SD carts I was going to acquire (MEGA SD, Terraonion's SSDS3 and MODE). With MiSTer I will get a lot more for less money
Do it! I knew it was cool but remained skeptical about HOW life changing it could really be considering I have options for a lot of this stuff already. It's really a slick little box though, snappy and efficient, no bloat.
The addition of the VGA/RGB/YPbPr output makes this an extremely interesting prospect for gaming on actual CRT television or monitors!
Thanks for the info in this video! I guess the MiSTer is a must get at some point ~
I would agree. I have two CRTs in the basement but didn’t have the VGA to Component cable to test out. From what I’ve seen though that looks great.
If the MISTer takes jamma and VGA could I just plug it into an Arcade1Up cab that I have set up jamma with a 60n1 in it?
@@bigmacfullerton7870 I'm not the one to answer that, but I think someone has put a MiSTer in an arcade cabinet... try searching it on youtube. :)
I'm hooked on Mister for about 8 months now... if you just want to casually emulate a game here and there, emulation is fine, but if you were into more on the original hardware FPGA is the way to go!
I really do love the potential this has. It seems to keep growing and receiving better and better libraries. Hell, even DoDonPachi came out this week.
Great video and I think you've sold me on that premium metal enclosure with those camera angles 😍
Thanks man! It does look pretty great, I’d recommend it.
i was getting into arcade games, got a Rpi4 and thought that was enough, then learned abotu this project and its amazing.
Just bought mine can't wait to try it out. And hopefully be able to work on some personal projects (like an arcade machine running on MiSTer)
and maybe be able to do some software engineering contributions.
Aweosme, welcome to the club. I suspect it’ll be the device you never knew you needed.
@@ScarletSprites yes can't wait to finally play Street fighter zero 2-3, SSFT and vampire saviour on my local FGC
Im waiting for my MISTer to be delivered. can't wait
It’s life changing if you allow yourself to use it rather than original hardware. A lot of clutter goes away.
I like how you mentioned that FPGA, much like software emulation, is only as good as its cores/programming. So while it has the ability to be the best and most accurate form of hardware duplication, it still needs quality work done for it all to work as such. Too many people just say FPGA so it's better but that's not always the case.
You definitely want the detail oriented and perfectionists working on this. Like you said tough, if you get those people involved you have a shot at perfection.
Coming back on this video after seeing your twitter post. I'm looking forward to your review of the Jamma add on. I own a few darksoft multi, original pcbs, even some (good) emulation. I'm really interested in the mister for the arcade, and if it works well, I might let go of some of my current stuff. Thanks for the content ! (and good luck with that water leak)
Hah, leak is solved and damage is minimized thankfully! Back working on the MiSTerCade stuff tonite. Like you, I’m curious to see what happens to future multicart development once this really matures. I wonder if enough of a market will split to FPGA to deter any future projects. That would be a shame, but also understandable I suppose.
@@ScarletSpritesI feel like, even if mister reaches 100% fidelity, purists will always create a market for it, just wonder if that would be enough of course. Not counting people who don't understand what FPGA really is, seeing this a lot with analogue consoles. Anyway, happy testing !
I really enjoyed the video. Welcome to the cool kids club.
Thanks man! Definitely excited to see what else there is to discover and where this continues to go in 2021. Jacked for the MiSTerCade.
Awesome. This has been on my horizon for a while now. I haven't been able to play one yet, but have know several people with one setup and nothing but praise. Thanks for the reminder to get moving on getting one!
I was in the same boat. It’s pretty much exceeded expectations. The MiSTerCade addon only further enhances this things value.
@@ScarletSprites That's great. I'll have to check all the links out and see what I can slam together. I've seen FPGAs used in a lot of industry's past several years with great success. Retro gaming isn't exactly a technology driver so I'm glad enterprising people share a similar passion to bring stuff like this to the crowd!
And like that I just bought the preassembled mister. Already on its way . Yay 👍
Sweet! Enjoy that man! I have no doubt you’ll fall in love.
Where did you get a preassembled unit?
I’m so happy for you! I want a mister and maybe this will be the year.
I said that last year and it wouldn’t have happened honestly. It’s certainly not a cheap investment but it is really amazing at consolidating everything down to just one device to manage. I really love the convenience.
I can't wait for your Time Killers review!!
Man it’s been forever since I’ve played that game. I have very little interest in ever revisiting it. Lol.
@@ScarletSprites lol it was terrible! But it reminds me of the good old days, when we would print out fake MK2 finishing moves from Prodigy.
man i just dipped for one of these with all the bells and whistles a couple days ago. super excited. only downside is im worried ill regret how much i spent on my analogue consoles and everdrives...... but for neogeo alone i couldnt say no, excited i wont have to emulate it anymore
The Neo core is pretty great. It’s everything that so many have hyped it to be in my opinion. Loving it so far
I was looking forward to this review, and the videos you will inevitably make using it. MiSTer for me is one of the most exciting thing I'm into that is gaming related next to Neo Geo, and if I were ever in the market to buy a Kidney for my kid or something, it would be the last thing from my gaming related things I'd sell. It's got so much potential, more of it gets reveled weekly... it's the gift that keeps on giving!
I totally agree that the amazing thing about it is wondering what comes next. I have quite a few things on my wish list and am wondering how long you need to own a MiSTer before you start whining about cores. I need some PGM and 90s Konami! Seriously though, this thing is everything I’ve ever seen you tout it to be.
@@ScarletSprites My wishlist for MiSTer is: The rest of CPS, SmashTV, PMG, AtomisWave, Marty, Lynx would be nice and PS1. Out of all of those things, I think I want the PS1 the most as it's another system I won't need anymore.
I have really got to look into one if these! Great video Sprites!
Hopefully more to come!
The MiSTer is THAT good everyone.
As a person with a relatively modest collection of actual carts, HuCards, arcade boards, etc. @4:35 - I think the exact same way. I have the Super NT, MegaSG with flashcarts, and I also have an unopened NT Noir (one more run) that was finally shipped to me after like half a year... and its just sitting here.
Another experience from me, I've been playing TurboGrafx 16 (RGB SCART with OSSC) games off the Terraonion SSDS3 and when the console froze for some reason, I switched it off and went to the MiSTer to continue playing the same game (using a SNAC), i totally forgot I was playing on a MiSTer. Thats how amazingly accurate these cores are.
That’s a pretty good rundown. I’d still consider myself a newb and am still learning about the hardware and capabilities, but the reality of what it’s doing for me in real terms on a daily basis is accurately reflected. Good summary, thanks man.
I'm glad you enjoyed the MisTer. You're welcome
Nice, lol.
Welcome to the Mister Club Scarlett. Just a note , mister works with many standard Zero Delay encoders as i have tested and can make for a great arcade build that way.
That’s cool man. I’ve seen a few setups in the past that have worked but I think MiSTerCade will be that true plug and play setup that’s pretty seamless. I like that JVS was worked out for versatility too. I’ll have to check out your channel if you have a video of MiSTer running in a cab.
@@ScarletSprites yeah , I put it in a 1up. HA! I called it “putting a Mustang engine in a Pinto). Lol. I don’t even have any 1ups but I bought 1 for $50 when they went on sale at Walmart. That’s about the price they are worth.
IT HAS BEGUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Indeed. Bring it all on...but mostly the MiSTerCade. Bring that next.
I really want one of these. Just for neo geo specifically and arcade. I like the idea of having an all in one device like this especially to avoid having all the systems hooked up. I use a hacked Wii U for this purpose currently.
The all in one feature paired with accuracy is truly a dream. Don’t unload that Wii U though! That’s still my go to for GameCube (and Wii U of course!).
Nice! I was looking foward to hearing your perspective on the MiSTer. Im loving mine, picked it up mainly for the arcade cores (since i always wanted to collect arcade boards, but never actually bought one except a MV1FZ), but for my surprise im choosing to play alot of 8 and 16 bit console games on it, its just so convenient and the games run great, i cant even tell any difference compared to real hardware. About the arcade board collecting, realistically tight now I just dont have the space on my house to store arcade boards or the time to invest on that hobby. So its nice to know that even for an arcade collector like you the MiSTer is still enjoyable/ knowing that gives me peace of mind, its like feeling im not missing the entire arcade experience if I at least can play the games on the MiSTer =D...if that makes any sense lol
It definitely makes sense to me. There are for sure boards I will never buy or feel as though I have to buy if they’re covered on this hardware (and covered well). I’ve always liked Tapper but probably realistically was never going to spend the money on an original board. But now I feel like I have a valid and accurate option for that game. This will also be interesting to see what happens with the development of ongoing arcade multis.
Very nice overview and as informative as ever Scarlet! I’ve been reluctant to get into MiSTer all the time I’ve been aware of it but can see myself getting on-board with it as the arcade games library available on it broadens to include a lot more of the games I have an interest in. As I understand it, that could be a while from now still but I’ve been searching for a long while for a decent way to play those titles without having to invest in actual arcade hardware (did have a MAME Bartop a couple of years ago but there were too many emulation issues in general). That being said, this becomes more compelling as it’s also currently a good alternative to the upcoming Analogue Duo which I have an interest in, but may not even be able to get my hands on if they launch it in such limited numbers as per the Pocket. I’d heard conflicting things about how easy this was/wasn’t to get up and running with though, seems pretty straightforward from what you’ve described!
I think if you really want to dig into the weeds and start editing scripts/ini files and the like you certainly can. But if you want a decent way to play games with minimal fuss, you can do that too. I like that it wasn’t a huge pain in the ass to get running and the menu and directories are well organized out of the gate. Aside from the first hour or two of “what are the basics of how this works”, it was pretty simple. I do like the analogue consoles as well but I’m left wondering why I need the Duo if all I’m doing is running flash carts on my Super NT and Mega SG anyways. I actually sold my Duo-RX already, which is a rare thing for me to unload hardware. It just wasn’t going to be used any longer and I knew that.
@@ScarletSprites That’s interesting that you sold your Duo! Was it in light of having the ability to play the games on MiSTer now?
I think for me the appeal of Analogue’s products is similar to Apple products; even if you have no real justification for owning it you still want it because of its sleek aesthetic appeal!
I put it up for sale shortly after Analogue announced the Duo. I’m honestly mostly an HDMI guy these days so it was appealing to me to not have to use a scaler any longer. The Duo-RX and CMVS are the last two consoles I don’t have an HDMI option for. When I got the MiSTer and confirmed TG16 worked well on it I was completely happy. The Duo-RX sold shortly after that and I wasn’t too upset, which is pretty telling.
Since you have the IO board, you should try it with a VGA to YPbPr cable and hook it up to a CRT with Component inputs, it's the best thing ever.
That’s what everyone keeps saying! I may have to dust off the CRTs in the basement this weekend.
I usually go for # of games over quality or accuracy. I like portraying the games in neat system UI's that we can get from the PlayStation classic or even just by using unified art on the super retrocade. But I always come back to these mister reviews. What if there was a magic button for everything? What if there was one box I went to for all my emulation ? I do a couple things on my pc, couple on retrocade, couple on PSC... And for "emergency" situations for my ADD/ stuck in a car/etc, I throw snes roms on every twice-baked android potato. I love front ends like launch box and DIG, they really help validate my obsession or hobby with normal friends and family. My older brother is a programmer. I turn 26 in 2 days today. My brother introduced me to snes9x on my first personal pc when I was 5 or 6 years old. so the whole load rom> dance became boring and tiring as hell for me. If I have to navigate through command line menus to operate the Mister (still what I imagine cuz nobody says "here's how you load 30 different roms in 1 hour because.... Mental illness") I will skip mister forever, but if it's like a flash cart and I can scroll down the list of game titles I am down. Reset button or button combo to get back to a menu, that stuff I'm big on. I don't like doing snes on pc because snes9x refuses toopen full screen from launch box like fusion or fceux does. Nes looks like ass on the retrocade so generally stick to the pc for that. Anyways going in circles. I would love it if you did a video just doing a day in the life of mister mister, so to speak lol. Loading roms, looking at or changing configs.. going from an arcade game to a console game. Idk may some shmuck has done tutorial vids but that's not what I'm asking and I'm asking to hear it from your mouth, not some shmucks. Not that you don't reserve the right to be a scarlet shmuck, by all means.
The good news is that all the arcade cores, bios updates, console and computer cores update magically when you run that script. For the roms for each console I just popped the card into my PC after setup and copy pasted everything into their respective folders. After that it’s like you said, you click through folders/directory to list your myriad of roms, scroll to the one you want to play, click to launch. It’s actually pretty easy and I don’t find that I miss the pretty UI of retropie at all. In what it lacks in looks it makes up for by being slick and snappy.
@@ScarletSprites once I have finally alienated myself and ran off everyone I hold dear in my life, I know this is the final console solution for me. However my constant need for validation would make me feel HORRIBLE when my girlfriend or somebody looks at me sideways as I load a rom up lmao. I do have my360 I dumped $500+ in games when it comes to legitimacy, I don't feel dirty emulating or anything by any means, I'm just a little nuts lol but, I honor your experience and opinion and advice lol. I definitely wouldn't get anything to run neo geo on without digging through your videos first! However I had an all in one solution for neo geo on my one pc and the psu fried on that. Harrison hacks things on arcade punks are basically impossible to download with .rars in 20 parts lol. But if I don't spruce up my ps classic to have a neo geo playlist I may have to bite the bullet and get an ASP- I've been avoiding these emulation machines at all costs because like I said I emulate on everything. MiSTER seriously just looks like an emulation retirement plan if that makes sense at all. Like if some unknown family member dies and I get their house like the Elvira movie, I win the lottery, etc- I strike gold tomorrow and I'll order a mister and a neo geo x gold arcade stick!!! When the x sticks went on sale I wanted one SO bad because my fight stick is a good 10lb on my lap just not a comfortable feel. But unless I have something that a) excuses it by being a licensed snk product or these days, far more important, b) runs neo geo games at full accuracy. If I get a mister I will have paid for every right to call that mofo MY neo geo!!!! Hahaha thanks for taking the time to reply to the whacked-out rambling of a burnt out punk rocker, my personality does NOT mesh well with most of our retro gaming community, or any... Lmao! I'm Sean Something on fb, Insta, and gmail, if you have a FB group or discord or anything I'm sure it would be alot more fun than some people's fb groups lol.. been stuck in one for almost 4 years and I basically hate most people that I interact with on there but it has been the most useful and practical lol I Kant stand that personality trait but that's generally what makes decisions lol whatever you rule dude stay golden.
@@ScarletSprites that was a whole bunch of nothing, sifting through directories is a bitch but like I said, retirement plan. When I'm ready to buy one last console and nothing else ever again I am on team fpga with you guys!
I sold all three of my Analogue systems and bought a MISTer. So many more options.
Honestly, I should probably do the same thing. I have the Super NT and the Mega SG and I really don’t use either all that much.
Been curious about Mister but am reluctant to take the plunge.
It’s not cheap, that was my holdup honestly. I do like that it’s convenient, snappy, and for the most part simple to setup. After the initial setup you can kind of decide how deep you want to dive into tweaking things. I’d recommend it with few reservations honestly. But yes, there is that whole cost thing.
The price barrier is the biggest issue I think for me. If you can get past that and you are okay with the number and level of the systems supported, than it's a really excellent platform. The menus and usability are very simple and fast. If you want a lot of fancier menus with Box art, scraped game info, etc., then it may not be for you.
It's worth mentioning that the IO board for the DE10-nano usually only has enough wires for one original controller at a time to be connected directly to the core with zero input latency though SNAC. Fantastic for single person play, but you'll still need your original MVS and CPS2 hardware for quality versus play.
Good thing I don’t have any friends.
@@ScarletSprites ...or enemies for that matter.
Excellent point.
I bought this for the before nes era before smoke broadcasted this. Like atari 2600 and Colecovision because those consoles are dated. Glad he did. brought over some good cores after that.
The console cores are top notch, Atari 2600 needs some work, and a 7800 needs to be done. Glad they did Neogeo by furtech. saved me almost 2 grand.
They recently did the CD games for tg16 cd and Sega CD which is amazing.
Most of the pc cores where ported over from other older fpga boards like the MIST. I think those are the first.
Looking forward in the psx core (which will blow me away if they can pull it off at the demanding games), cp2 and cave core.
My wishlist for now is CAVE CV1000B(idk if possible) Atari 7800, PGM and whatever arcade platform mortal Mortal Kombat games where made on.
New additions keep coming. The arcade cabinet io is a nice addition. If i had a astrocad cabinet id put it in. A nice handheld case would be pretty cool for on the go like there doing now with the raspberry pi.
I’ve been playing with the Atari 2600 core a bit myself. I’ve had some hits and misses which seems to be what you’re eluding to. I have had games not load and I have had games flat out crash. Overall though I’m impressed and hoping it only continues to get better.
@@ScarletSprites there is a alpha of 7800 which is just a side project for Rasha.plays a hand full of games if your lucky. I heard something about a overhaul of 2600, idk if that is happening....2600 is a bit better now then before. ColecoVision and Sega sg1000 play fine. That's pre era enough for now.
Great Vid Mate me too only had Mister for a few weeks loving it so far with all The Arcade and Console games that we can play
Arcade perfect, low latency. It’s very promising.
ooooh yeah PS1 the next big one in the works
The MiSTer is really cool there's so many cores developed for it it's overwhelming! I do love my Super NT, Mega SG UltraHDMI N64, PS1Digital, GBA Consolizer and AVS but those consoles are for playing original cartridges so really are niche for collectors only. I love the feeling of popping in a game and using the original controller to beat a game on a TV in great quality. That said I will likely get one of these specifically for arcade games down the road since I have zero intention of ever collecting arcade games since there's no nostalgia and the values are beyond my means. You can't beat the value of the MiSTer for any retro gamer though, simply amazing. Also I highly recommend exploring romhacks on this baby as there's a plethora of incredilbe ones out there.
I’ve never installed the jailbreak firmware on my Analogues, just never felt the need. If they released a Neo Geo I would still welcome it as I feel like I’d probably use it if only for ceremonial purposes. I have an ok SNES collection but I still don’t find myself pulling carts to pop in the Super NT, it’s pretty much all SD2SNES. If you are and that’s your thing, then for sure keep rolling Analogue.
This thing is a godsend for preservation... But things like this actually inhibit my play. I'm the type of person that if given to much choice I can never make a decision... But you're right, I can't wait for the JAMMA adapter!
Oh the analysis paralysis is for real. You can spend 90% of your time looking through libraries and test playing something, then five minutes with the actual game you turned it on for.
Im waiting anxiously for Mistercade! Great stuff.
Ditto, I can’t wait to get that loaded and filmed!
@@ScarletSprites Definitely! Probably a definitive solution to play all classic arcade games with high fidelity.
Excellent video as usual Scarlet. But for some reason, your current look in the video reminds me of a skateboarder from Venice Beach, CA. 8^) Do you skate by any chance?
Anthony..
Hah, no. I mean I had a skateboard as a kid but I was never any good.
Played Intellivision for the first time in decades the other night. This machine just keeps on giving. Best 2020 investment I made for gaming.
You can call me Neo because I’m “beginning to believe.”
This thing is cheap if you think about how many FPGA consoles and/or RGB/HDMI modded authentic consoles, arcade boards, a scaler and Everdrives you would have to buy to have the MiSTer experience.
I’d agree. It was something I never knew I needed until I had it. It has become my go to for most consoles out of sheer convenience these days. I even sold my Duo-RX.
Oh great....... a new "Scarlet Sprites" video.....
I get to hear my girl say... " OHHHH he looks like Bradley Cooper !
Only funning around... This is the first time I heard about the MISTER. : )
As my dad would say, “yeah, you look like Bradley Cooper...from the ankles down.”
Didn't know about this MiSter. Very interesting.
It’s worth looking into and watching more videos on if you’re at all interested. SmokeMonster has done some fantastic videos over the past year or more.
I've been really on the fence about this.
I was as well. It wasn't something I really felt I needed but if it could be used easily inside a cabinet then it instantly became more valuable to me. Here we are in 2021 and that's about to happen.
welcome to the MiSTer FPGA project
Thanks man, it’s been pretty enjoyable so far. I like all the possibilities the future potentially holds!
The major advantage of the MISTer over software emulation is that the MISTer has virtually no input lag when outputting analog video. The major disadvantage is that most MISTer cores lack save state functionality. I primarily game for 1 credit clears and save states are a necessity. However level select options and game genie codes can work in place of save states. I wonder if something like game genie codes could be implemented for arcade cores on the MISTer.
I'm guessing your friend had not mentioned what you have there? Those are not adapters, they are cables that can be used with a few add-on boards, like LLAMA, SNAC,BlisSTer,... If I were to guess you have a BlisSTer on the bottom equiped with LLAPI. That is a video in itself... A normal MiSTer set up will not have any of those add-ons and those cables you have will have zero function. The value of a Mister, lets say $300-400, just got bumped up $200 + value with that setup of the BlisSter and cables. Hardly what one would except to get with a normal setup. Probably was worth a mention to the views had you known...You have a very generous friend indeed..
I mentioned to someone else that that has maybe been what’s most confusing for me; I didn’t understand what was stock and what wasn’t initially. There’s a 4Play Blissbox which I didn’t talk about. I haven’t honestly found much use for it. There’s the Blisster kit, and then the SNAC adapter as well.
@@ScarletSprites yeah the 4-play is just a all in one adapter, not much good for the Mister. That BlisSTer board is crazy. It uses LLAPI (if you have the cores) Works with fast polling, if you run the script, and also works with the 4-play dongles as you learned. In LLAPI mode it even auto maps the controller for you, since it knows what core you have and what controller is attached. Plus there are a slew of features like button swapping, turbo mode, and alter mapping modes that the Bliss-Box chip that sits on the board supports. Though in all of the stuff it does, you can also use it just as a normal hub like you are doing. Though that's like buying a porch and driving in NY rush hour :D
I have the pi2jamma. Why did you hate it? Care to elaborate here?
It was overly finicky from what I recall. I had a lot of noise in the picture on the cabs I used it on (when it would boot), and the picture was almost always overly dark. I also wasn’t really a fan of navigating menus when booting the arcade machine, I like that instant boot to game with original pcbs. It was just more a personal preference. I read through posts and forums trying to solve some of the video issues I had but nothing really ever solved it. I actually sold the device as possibly faulty and listed out the issues I had for the buyer.
Hahaa. Same here Scarlet. I had one as a kid. But I fell off faster than I got on to it. 8^)
Anthony..
I like the logo of this product!
I like your intro with collection mvs behind!
This things call me back Ghostbusters Ghost Trap (vivid french imagination 😅)
See you later ✌️🕹
It’s funny you say that, I totally was thinking about the Ghostbusters Trap the first time I saw a MiSTer case.
@@ScarletSprites 😄
im interested. and i will def get one. just not any time soon. im gonna wait til more softwares are added to make it feel more complete to me before i buy
I think when CPS2 finally drops we will see a few more holdouts slide over. From a console perspective it’s pretty solid. I’d definitely like to see more 90s+ arcade boards start to pop up.
@@ScarletSprites I know we are 3 months later now but CPS2 is dropping and it's amazing. We also see PS1 and Saturn being worked on- two systems that would also be a huge draw if they come to fruition
You can't beat MiSTer for the convenience, and yes, also the price. Lots of cheap emulator devices would struggle to run some systems properly at 60fps and would not be able to connect to CRT / arcade monitors as easily as FPGAs. It's not that emulation can't be accurate per se (it could) but rather that most offerings (especially commercial ones like Pandora's Boxes) use crap hardware and un-optimized emulators.
Yes, I didn’t intend to imply software emulation couldn’t be accurate. Really I was trying to call out differences in the two types of technology without it becoming a video just about that. Totally agree on convenience, it’s unreal honestly. Love it.
@@ScarletSprites Yep you did a great job explaining the gist of it. FPGA is a tech that fits more naturally for some things thanks to the parallelism
Finally ! Special mention to Furrtek who has implemented the NeoGeo core !
You could also say that actual chips have been reversed engineered by taking picture of the circuit inside them.
I do want to call him out when I eventually talk about the Neo core.
I’ve been thinking of getting a Mister just for Arcade games, and just plug in my NG Arcade Stick Pro. Is there any noticeable lag? Also, can you play 4-way only games on the stick since it’s not gated? Thanks dude!
I played a handful of Neo games with it and didn’t experience anything grossly awful from a lag standpoint. I unfortunately don’t have a great way of testing but overall I’d be shocked if it were anything substantial. No issues playing any of the other arcade titles with it either, like Pac-Man. Not an authentic experience but certainly not a poor one either.
@@ScarletSprites thanks! Sometimes the best way to tell is by just playing... after years of playing on real machines you’ll know when input response is “off”. Right now I need something to calm my arcade itch, since I don’t have the space to place a cab (wish I did)... MiSTer seems like a great choice, cheers!
Been waiting for this
More to come!
Do you happen to know where the USB controller adapters came from? I've been using the Mini controllers and AstroCity joystick, would be nice to use SNES and NES.
I actually really like the Astro Stick and pad, it’s what I use almost exclusively lately. It was my mistake when I was speaking as they are not USB adapters, they’re the SNAC ones that connect via HDMI.
Would be nice if the arcade version had a nice looking front end like hyperspin, the ability to display bezels + marquees and jittering scanlines. Then I would buy.
It’s definitely a personal preference but that’s actually one of the things I kind of like about it; no bloat. Just simple menu that allows you to jump right in and play games. Nothing to configure, setup, scrape, etc. I appreciate the simplicity. All that said, I definitely get where you’re coming from and can understand the desire to dress things up.
I know the price for this is an issue for some, (it was for me also), but when you think about it, you are getting many, many, many, different consoles as well as computers and arcade cores for the price of maybe two system specific fpga run machines. Just something to think about if price is a concern.
I’d agree, you get A LOT with this device. The cool thing is that new things seem to be coming out every month and it’s consistently updated as well. I’m powering on the Analogue consoles a lot less.
I was planning on buying a Mister in 2019, but now the only thing holding me back is that I'm afraid that since it's been so long, it might be better to wait for a newer version.
There isn’t too much discussion about drifting from the DE10. Even Saturn development is now happening with the current hardware. The current setup plays just about every retro console so if the system and games you want are covered I don’t see a reason not to jump in.
When you get the arcade version please compare it to the Darksoft CPS2. They are about the same price and it is close enough it would get the Mister instead with the added flexibility. Thanks.
That’s been one of the more interesting questions I have. I guess indirectly, what effect will MiSTerCade have on the future development of arcade multis? I can see arguments for both sides. Having an all in one that only continues to grow though? Wow.
@@ScarletSprites that’s a big crux for me. I want to get a CPS3 and a Naomi2 setup but they are getting more and more expensive. If I can play MVS, CPS2, CPS3 and Naomi2 then it would be the ultimate setup at a fraction of the cost.
I made my own. Kind of pricey. Kind of a lot of tinkering to get shit working. Fun I guess. I prefer Analogue's consoles just for the ease of use but of course you get a little more bite out of MiSTer if you're willing to put the work in.
I didn’t really find overall setup of the SD card to be too terrible to get things running. Is the assembling of hardware a pain? Mine admittedly came pre-assembled so that part of the experience was lost on me.
Yes yes finally! I absolutely love my MiSTer!
I can certainly see why.
Great video. Such an amazing product. This is something I’ve always wanted but can only dream about owning one. Here in South Africa it would cost me one months salary with the exchange rate.
Please if you or anyone reading this has a demo unit or a unit you don’t want and are willing to sell it for a lesser price please let me know.
Glad you liked the video. I’ve heard that exporting is unbelievably expensive too, a lot of South American countries seem that way. The price of the DE10 Nanos even went up the past two weeks due to limited availability of parts. It’s crazy how expensive things have become.
The Mister is an awesome device. I'm glad you're enjoying it. If you ever feel like updating the Blisster that came included with your setup (that's the board that lets you plug in those OEM controller adapters), I made a guide that can walk you through it. It helps with controller compatibility and detection and such. ua-cam.com/video/VK39W--vClc/v-deo.html
Thanks man, much appreciate it.
Wow. The JAMMA connection is really enticing. It’s expensive, no doubt, but looks to be worth it. I hope it would work with my supergun which I plan to mount.
That is for certain my main interest with this. I can’t wait to get rolling on a video with that.
I want to get one with a case like that but there are ones that don’t have vents on the top (“passively cooled?”) and others look kind of like hours but are different thicknesses. Do you happen to exactly which case you have?
I unfortunately have no idea what case this is. I believe it is the one made by MiSTerAddons on demand.
misteraddons.com/products/official-mister-case
HI Scarlet
DId you replace the pcb in your arcade stick neo geo pro for using in mister?
does it work in mister well?
What abou lag this stick in mister ? is it laggy?
thanks
No, no modifications to the stick. I just plugged it in as a USB stick and played with it. I really can’t speak to lag too much. I don’t have a way of measuring any of it. I played a few levels of Metal Slug, Cyber Lip, and Neo Turf Masters and didn’t notice anything wildly out of the ordinary.
I love mister. My only grip is I wish there were a series of tutorials to get arcade cores and other comp cores up. I'm not a fan of the update scripts but I guess I should just use them
You should for sure use that Update All script. It adds all the cores/games for you. It really couldn’t be easier. It’s great to not have to FTP or pull the damn SD card to copy stuff over.
@@ScarletSprites you have to have it connected to the internet for the script to pull the files correct?
@@JeffYPbPr Yes. I grabbed the CanaKit USB Wifi adapter. It’s plug and play and was $10.
For me MISTer just for arcade is worth the cost.
great for the hardcore folks who are ocd with near perfect emulation, for me I am ok with mame/pandoras box 👍
I still roll MAME for the things that haven’t made it over to MiSTer. My RetroPi setup is one that is always connected.
The arcade stick pro is gorgeous! I definitely want one
I have to ask, where did you get it? The transparent buttons and joystick knob looks great!
I was fortunate to have it sent to me from SNK for review a little over a year ago. The buttons and balltop are Seimitsu parts. I actually have a video that links the parts and shows the install of those.
@@ScarletSprites nice, I'll look for the vid, thanks!
Looking forward to mister jamma.
Many of my boards are reaching $500 + and I’m not going to replace them if they die.
A mister is more cost effective now.
I guess it would be easy enough to wire a jamma cab to use the db15 neo geo controller adapater and splice the vga output to the arcade chassis but... a plug and play option would be great
Great video... was going to order my self a neoSD pro MVS but just not got the money right now so went for a mister...... been watching all the videos i can looking forward to it...... can you post a link if possible for the controller/usb converters... please. thank you.
In the excitement of making this I misspoke. These adapters will convert to HDMI for use with the low latency SNAC ports on the MiSTer. This is arguably better than the USB option provided you weren’t hoping to use these with other devices.
bliss-box.net/store/Bliss-Box-Cable-your-pick-10-p198410399
I want to get MiSTer just for the games I cant afford the carts for. Or just to see if I like a game before I buy it if its slightly more expensive.
I relate to this a lot. There are games that IV long known and played and have owned, re-purchased, or finally bought after decades of waiting. Then there is the stuff that I’m less familiar with or have come to appreciate through emulation (any type) and have established a love for and want to now own. Although the arcade stuff is still growing, most of the major consoles are represented here and will give you access to some big libraries. Enjoy and good luck.
Do you find that getting these diskless all in one devices compel you to sell any of your physical media collection?
In some ways maybe. The Neo Geo collection is pretty untouchable imo, it’s not going unless I have to sell it. I have sold physical copies of games that I’m not attached to in any nostalgic way. I will say on the other side of that though, I’m not shopping for carts like I have been in the past. It just doesn’t interest me all that much since I have a decent solution to play those games.
I hear you. I bought an everdrive for the mega drive and before I knew it my collection was sold off. There's a few systems I'll never sell (Saturn, pce) but these solutions make it so easy to let things go.
im super hype for this since a week or so but the DE10-Nano Kit isnt in stock anywhere and if so its like double the price, the only decent offer seems to be aliexpress but seems kinda iffy to me
I’d just wait it out for MisterAddons to restock. Hopefully it’s not too much longer.
I just finally started my SCART setup with an OSSC. It kinda bums me out when I realize a MiSTer probably would have been the better way to go. I probably end up getting one some day but $$$ :(
I just built mine today and am running the update scripts while watching this
Zen!
@@ScarletSprites It's AMAZING. I've just been playing with it, I've not even touched any of my other consoles or games so far. The sound is SO spot on, Arcade, Genesis, SNES. I am transferring my Neogeo set over FTP right now, I can't wait to try that. My SDRAM also passed 30+ minutes of The Punisher's attract mode, which is what Zerohimself recommended, and Jotego said was a good test as well to see if it has the issues that some show with CPS1.5/2.
I'm still having trouble setting mine up (Directory and BIOS structure). A friend of mine set the Neo-Geo stuff up for me, so that works OK, but I totally screwed up trying to get PCE Engine CD and Sega CD working, and I have no idea how to do MSX.
You just need to make a TG16FX-CD folder and make sure the bios is in it. Each game then needs its own folder inside of that (bin/cue format) and you should be good to go.
Honestly, if you run Update All first thing after you've done initial setup on the Mister Fusion base image, it will set up BIOS and directories for you :)
If I have an Arcade1Up cab set up for jamma with a 60n1 in it can I take a MISTer and just plug it into the jamma harness and VGA monitor and play?
If it’s actually 100% Jamma you could use MiSTerCade w/ a MiSTer to accomplish this. The MiSTerCade was designed for this.
@@ScarletSprites so I need a mistercade and a mister? That sounds pricey. What am I looking at cost wise
So does it use roms like MAME? And are they as difficult to find and need to be constantly updated?
All arcade cores download automatically with the update_all script. You really don’t have to do anything except run it. For the console cores you do need to drag and drop or FTP your own roms to the appropriate folder.
@@ScarletSprites Thank you!
Where can I get the USB cables to connect original controllers?
I believe the pack I received are sold here...
bliss-box.net/store/
@@ScarletSprites Sure enough! Those adapters are specially designed to interface with the Blisster, a USB Hub/Universal Controller adapter. An alternative to the standard USB hub. Looks like your MiSTer setup came included with one. The adapters themselves use the HDMI pinout and form factor as opposed to USB. I'm a big fan of it myself.
@@twotone8357 I think that’s what’s been most confusing for me; I don’t know what a standard setup looks like vs what I received. Not sure I fully realized that some of this is addon. The 4Play was also in the box but I’ve found little use for that so far as MiSTer goes. Seems like something more for using the controllers on another device.
@@ScarletSprites I get it. It's quite the toy box. Yeah, the 4play is mostly for PC emulators and such. It shares the same tech as the Blisster, which is basically plug and play if you have the correct HDMI to Controller port adapters, and it looks like yours came with pretty much all of them.