Understanding Thorograph and The Bounce
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- Welcome to another great episode of @PastTheWireTV and when we say great we mean great. As promised we have finally done "The Bounce" show with Jeff Franklin of Thorograph. Jeff has quite a history in the game as you'll learn on the show. An ADW pioneer and the Jockey Agent for Gary Stevens when he won The Kentucky Derby aboard Winning Colors.
The bounce as us sheet users call it is a real thing. It is often misunderstood, misinterpreted, and ignored. When understood and used properly it is a significant EDGE as will be explained on the show.
Of course there is more like tidbits from the late greats Bobby Frankel and Charlie Whittingham, two of the best ever, coming from two of the current best bettors, Jonathan Stettin and Jeff Franklin.
This episode is a phenomenal introduction to Thorograph or a better understanding of Thorograph for more advanced users and players. If you are a beginner or a pro this show is for you.
As a bonus Jeff and Jon talk about some of their other Thorograph angles which have been successful.
Finding vulnerable favorites
When to bet against the chalk
Thank you for watching Past the Wire TV.
Videography: Only the best, Jim Gazzale
Photos: Thorograph, Geaux Rocket Ride Haskell sheet, Geaux Rocket Ride, Haskell Stakes, Geo Sette, Past the Wire
I selfishly hope most players miss this show because I bet against them. This is great advice on the best racing channel…period. Thank you both for sharing your time and knowledge.
LOL< Grazie....
Had to go back and listen to this show! It all makes sense!!! Sir please do another show with this man I’m a spoon to information and always learning
Your show and its insights surpasses everything that handicapping has to offer
Much appreciated
It’s a lot I can say of your show(good & informative). I hold you at a very high standard.
@@michaelpierre4467 Much appreciated
I've been looking forward to the "bounce" show and it was well worth the wait. I learned a lot and am embarrassed to say I never realized the correlation between equine athletes and human athletes regressing off certain top efforts. This puts my training regime in a different perspective.
Glad it was worthwhile. You will see it happen and recognize it for sure.
Great video! I use to be a competitive runner and I remember peaking for a marathon where I ran 2:29:00, 5:25 a mile pace, the best race of my life.....But I gave it everything I had. Two weeks later I couldn't even run a 5K in 17:00 minutes, 6:00 minute pace per mile. I bounced big time and I can certainly understand how that can happen to a race horse.
Yes, I bounce on my PELOTON LOL
This is really great. The first TG Seminar I ever went to,a big part of the discussion was about the patterns showing you when a horse is protecting himself. I haven't heard anyone use that term in ages.
Grazie, The Test Thorograph show will be out today!
Great Content! Keep up the good Work Brotha!!
Grazie!
Jonathan thumbs 👍 again and again i Was hooked on the 2yo to 3yo angle since you started the thorograph talk i can't get enuff the word is thank you for your time and effort you put in to these fine video's. Jonathan where did you grow up in Brooklyn ?i was from gravesend when you talk it brings me back to the neighborhood
Right next door. Sheepshead Bay. Thank you as well.
Well to my Brooklyn brotha your a real shooter really appreciate the tips and previous knowledge you have using the sheets my game has definitely been improving amounts im winning has only gone up and for the most part i have been able to enjoy looking forward to patterns over a cup of coffee or with a cold beer .your great for the game god bless you and the family.
@@robertvitale6528 Grazie Robert, hopefully some day!!!
About ten or so years ago Todd Pletcher was on with Mike Francessa. He told him the ideal space for him was 6 weeks between races. I don't what he thinks now but I never forgot that.
And do you use any of Carey Fotias’ theories regarding new pace tops/final figs? New pace tops that are high effect the final fig…. Similar to Timeform figs using pace for final fig…luv your videos.
Wow I learned a lot about choreograph! What does a page look like?
That was great. Thanks gentleman.
Glad you enjoyed it
Your really the greatest man...your truth is amazing...But I was the worst ever Jockey's agent...and now confirmed the worst bettor ever also...OMG I'll keep listening though I'm getting better thanks!
LOL we might be tied
Jon, do you teach zoom seminars about different aspects of handicapping? I’m a newbie to your channel.
I have in the past. Happy to work something out and help.
@PastTheWireTV IDK if it’s a coincidence, but your handicapping fundamentals webinar came up on my feed . I watched it and the Chad Brown interview. Both are very informative. After 3/1 I will become a member of your PTW tracker (sorry I don’t remember exact name rn.) That said, it would be really great to see any other handicapping webinars you may have done. Thanks again for the great information
@@PastTheWireTV IDK if it’s a coincidence, but your handicapping fundamentals webinar came up on my feed . I watched it and the Chad Brown interview. Both are very informative. After 3/1 I will become a member of your PTW tracker (sorry I don’t remember exact name rn.) That said, it would be really great to see any other handicapping webinars you may have done. Thanks again for the great information
Thank you!@@RivaShoshana
would have been nice to show sample sheets.
I’m interested in the trip sheets, are you simply using the TG data to make your trip sheets?
I use them but also my own observations
@@PastTheWireTV great I will have to check them out.
I can’t thank you enough sir I’ve watched it 3x and took notes but I still don’t understand is there Way you can do a lecture or something? I’m 25 years old and wanna learn to beat the game
Beat the game, that's funny. All of these tools whether it be Thorograph, Ragazon, Beyer, Timeformus or Equibase, just give you a fighting chance. You will win and you will lose, but you will never beat the game.
So why can’t you use any other figs (Beyers, Equibase and others) and identify new tops and bounces?
Basically they are just raw times, no trip or ground loss allowances factored so not nearly as telling or accurate.
Pauly tow truck is the greatest
How do I get photograph numbers .
thorograph.com
Any questions let me know