Thank you for posting the video. I vaguely remember seeing Don Scott's name associated with a computer program and a year or two ago seeing one of his books at an Op Shop. After viewing this video I found the most relevant information that I had not really appreciated were barrier positions and the shape of the course related to the starting gates. I also appreciated it as in covered the 1990-91 period and I recalled some of the horses featured, especially Super Impose (I think his 1992 WA Cox Plate victory as an 8 y.o is legendary though it has now been superceded by Winx's four-in-a-row (previously of course there was Kingston Town's 1980, 81, and 82 triumphs. Fortunately I grew up in an era before on-line betting accounts, and that the local TAB was the only place to place a bet and it had to be done in cash. I think it helps if you are able to follow , in this case horse-racing, or any form of sport simply for the enjoyment of the sport. Sometimes I think "Why did not I back North Melbourne last Saturday against the Eagles as they were paying about $5 in a two-team race?". In the end it was an exciting match and in many respects nice to see a winless team win, simply for the morale of the players, supporters and club. Tomorrow is Stradbroke Hcp Day (2024) and after hearing the story of The Inevitable's (previous) trainer, Scott Brunton, and how he and his friends and family have helped him still have an emotional stake in this horse, that is who I would like to win, even if I end up backing Bella Nippotina. So my betting rules would be: Only bet cash (whether at the TAB or on-course); and Don't take out an on-line account. [I appreciate that many TAB's have closed down and so this remains the only option for many people who both have busy lives, and do not have easy access to a TAB (or the Meeting)]. It helps too, I think, being able to have an interest in the sport itself. I have to have these rules for myself as my main source of income, is, at the moment Centrelink benefits. Are these practical and good rules to have at this current time?
Not really for people intending to punt as a source of income either secondary income or as a syndicate or professional. They are fine arbitrary rules , for sport and fun, but if you move from punter to speculator and use data mining and predictive analytic mathematics, you are serious and not drinking and partying, sitting at home with a remote betfair account is the best method, professionals are in a private enclosure at the tracks, hooked into computer servers and direct tab access, bookmakers will not generally take bets from professional syndicates, the rest are out for fun and a good day out. The two are different worlds.
I also found his book at vinnies for a few bob, I did not initially find it usefull and took it back and redonated, to find it was worth 200 or 300 $, I came across a couple of copies of his video, and his later book winning in the 90s, I later came to see some merit in his work, his methods of betting do not work, his methods of rating and evaluating horses is good. Racing and sports ran a free Don Scott form guide, It has evolved into the useful neural net guide, which I am using for data mining, at the moment. His actual methods no longer work and really never did after he published his first book.
I have no interest in horses or horse racing and only took on beating the bookmakers as a mathematical challenge from people who said it could not be done, when I knew it was routinely done by my fellow mathematical economists. I have not spent much time on horses more on greyhounds for the pure reason I hate evening television so bet on the dogs, during the day, I do not wish to waste time at racetracks or watching horses, racing repulses me full of petty crims and spivs. Waste of a good day. I have only been to Rosehill twice no other track, and Harold Park twice. It was a fascinating day out for me at Rosehill, watching the rich pageantry of humanity on the day unfold, not the horses and jockeys and trainers and owners, but the drunks, compulsive gamblers, bookmakers, professionals, stewards, and you could spot the syndicates with runners playing the bookmakers like Robert Redford and Paul Newman in the sting, for a behavioural economist is was a gold field of riches of irrational and profit seeking behaviour. But still I enjoy being out on a nice day hiking or cycling or at home playing my guitar and reading and researching, betting and the races is drudge work and a hard chore to make money. It is easier driving uber, if you have not good backers because you can not risk what you can not afford to lose.
Great video and thank you for posting Incredibly informative I’ve been one of those drunken sailors, Hopefully from what I have learned from here will be the basis for a profitable year on the wagon Fantastic thank you
@@HighFinance777 I’m trying to treat it seriously, still making silly mistakes but fewer and fewer I will get there in the end Once again thank you for your great work Wish I could get to read some of Don’s other books
Hello, thanks a million, for such a lovely video. I've been for years in to horses, but just recently got interested in betting. Just not sure if in these days there is still half a chance in winning a couple of quid.
Thank you ever so much, kind sir. I'll give it a shot and will keep everyone posted if anyone would be interested, since I reckon that one can keep mastering the system, without actual financial loss and of course gain, as a matter of fact, to start with.
The Racing club stewards handicap, you can use overlay methods where your judged handicap differs from the stewards and hopefully win. This is the tradition arbitrage methods of original betting syndicates, data mining, statistics have largely exceeded vastly these methods and is the approach of all serious betting syndicates.
On Cup day the Caulfield track was an absolute bog. In one of the most controversial rides in Australian racing history, champion jockey Shane Dye went extremely wide on the home turn to avoid the slow, muddy ground on the inside. Despite covering this extra ground, Veandercross managed to pass every runner in the straight except one, the talented mare Mannerism, who won in a photo finish after staying inside Veandercross. Shane Dye was widely criticised for his ride, but he defended himself, insisting that the extra ground he covered on the horse was more than made up for by the firmer ground he raced on as a result. Source is Wikipedia.
It's difficult to account for track bias, when the ground is false: i.e heavy in parts where other races/ jockeys on the card have favoured the rail. The jockey on that day made a good decision.
He died mysteriously in his Sydney apartment after complaining severally that there was a private investigator and numerous phone threats he had been receiving from unknown sources over a period of time. Apparently he chose to end his own life.
That was during Roger Rogerson's reign over the NSW police force; lots of so called colourful racing identities were found dead, all over Sydney and some infamous ones survived to tell the tale like George Freeman with shotgun blasts through the front of his Yowie Bay mansion. His children survived to carry on the drug trade. Not all have been convicted all have been accused. Drug money was laundered big time into racing back then in the police royal commission into crime and the police in the late 80s A common phrase to explain how the defendants had so much money and lived luxury lifestyles with no ostensible job or source of income came the stock phrase " I won it at the races".
Don Scott was head of Kerry Packers fathers betting syndicate he made a lot of money for Packers father. When he published his book how to win at the races which still goes for 300$ Packer was an angry man and fired him and bore a grudge, and never gave up on haranguing him, publicly or privately.
As you can well imagine he had a long list of angry bookmakers and associates who did not wish him well of whom allegedly included friends of or Roger himself.
If you have heard of the Infamous Kerry Packer Goanna trial defended by a young lawyer for packer at ICAC called Malcolm Turnbull. Wherein goanna was alleged to be a linchpin in the Australian heroine trade, the picture becomes even more murky and sinister.
wtf are you talking about to eat breathe survive and live takes luck you moron, that is a given, a complete no brainer, troll, you are a complete time-wasting non-sequiter, go away!
As a pro punter for many years, I can tell you his advice is very good.
Kate wins jack shit, BS pro punter ha ha ha
This is amazing thank you for uploading this
Thank you for posting the video. I vaguely remember seeing Don Scott's name associated with a computer program and a year or two ago seeing one of his books at an Op Shop. After viewing this video I found the most relevant information that I had not really appreciated were barrier positions and the shape of the course related to the starting gates.
I also appreciated it as in covered the 1990-91 period and I recalled some of the horses featured, especially Super Impose (I think his 1992 WA Cox Plate victory as an 8 y.o is legendary though it has now been superceded by Winx's four-in-a-row (previously of course there was Kingston Town's 1980, 81, and 82 triumphs. Fortunately I grew up in an era before on-line betting accounts, and that the local TAB was the only place to place a bet and it had to be done in cash. I think it helps if you are able to follow , in this case horse-racing, or any form of sport simply for the enjoyment of the sport.
Sometimes I think "Why did not I back North Melbourne last Saturday against the Eagles as they were paying about $5 in a two-team race?". In the end it was an exciting match and in many respects nice to see a winless team win, simply for the morale of the players, supporters and club.
Tomorrow is Stradbroke Hcp Day (2024) and after hearing the story of The Inevitable's (previous) trainer, Scott Brunton, and how he and his friends and family have helped him still have an emotional stake in this horse, that is who I would like to win, even if I end up backing Bella Nippotina.
So my betting rules would be:
Only bet cash (whether at the TAB or on-course); and
Don't take out an on-line account. [I appreciate that many TAB's have closed down and so this remains the only option for many people who both have busy lives, and do not have easy access to a TAB (or the Meeting)].
It helps too, I think, being able to have an interest in the sport itself. I have to have these rules for myself as my main source of income, is, at the moment Centrelink benefits.
Are these practical and good rules to have at this current time?
Not really for people intending to punt as a source of income either secondary income or as a syndicate or professional. They are fine arbitrary rules , for sport and fun, but if you move from punter to speculator and use data mining and predictive analytic mathematics, you are serious and not drinking and partying, sitting at home with a remote betfair account is the best method, professionals are in a private enclosure at the tracks, hooked into computer servers and direct tab access, bookmakers will not generally take bets from professional syndicates, the rest are out for fun and a good day out. The two are different worlds.
I also found his book at vinnies for a few bob, I did not initially find it usefull and took it back and redonated, to find it was worth 200 or 300 $, I came across a couple of copies of his video, and his later book winning in the 90s, I later came to see some merit in his work, his methods of betting do not work, his methods of rating and evaluating horses is good. Racing and sports ran a free Don Scott form guide, It has evolved into the useful neural net guide, which I am using for data mining, at the moment. His actual methods no longer work and really never did after he published his first book.
I have no interest in horses or horse racing and only took on beating the bookmakers as a mathematical challenge from people who said it could not be done, when I knew it was routinely done by my fellow mathematical economists. I have not spent much time on horses more on greyhounds for the pure reason I hate evening television so bet on the dogs, during the day, I do not wish to waste time at racetracks or watching horses, racing repulses me full of petty crims and spivs. Waste of a good day. I have only been to Rosehill twice no other track, and Harold Park twice. It was a fascinating day out for me at Rosehill, watching the rich pageantry of humanity on the day unfold, not the horses and jockeys and trainers and owners, but the drunks, compulsive gamblers, bookmakers, professionals, stewards, and you could spot the syndicates with runners playing the bookmakers like Robert Redford and Paul Newman in the sting, for a behavioural economist is was a gold field of riches of irrational and profit seeking behaviour. But still I enjoy being out on a nice day hiking or cycling or at home playing my guitar and reading and researching, betting and the races is drudge work and a hard chore to make money. It is easier driving uber, if you have not good backers because you can not risk what you can not afford to lose.
Great video and thank you for posting
Incredibly informative I’ve been one of those drunken sailors,
Hopefully from what I have learned from here will be the basis for a
profitable year on the wagon
Fantastic thank you
@@HighFinance777
I’m trying to treat it seriously, still making silly mistakes but fewer and fewer
I will get there in the end
Once again thank you for your great work
Wish I could get to read some of Don’s other books
I need this guy to do a video about american race tracks
Hello, thanks a million, for such a lovely video. I've been for years in to horses, but just recently got interested in betting. Just not sure if in these days there is still half a chance in winning a couple of quid.
Thank you ever so much, kind sir. I'll give it a shot and will keep everyone posted if anyone would be interested, since I reckon that one can keep mastering the system, without actual financial loss and of course gain, as a matter of fact, to start with.
You can make money handicapping
The Racing club stewards handicap, you can use overlay methods where your judged handicap differs from the stewards and hopefully win. This is the tradition arbitrage methods of original betting syndicates, data mining, statistics have largely exceeded vastly these methods and is the approach of all serious betting syndicates.
no matter what horses win in oz the ozzies will never equal the pomp of the british.
they are not interested in pomp
How did Shane Dye go on Veandacross in the Caulfield cup???
On Cup day the Caulfield track was an absolute bog. In one of the most controversial rides in Australian racing history, champion jockey Shane Dye went extremely wide on the home turn to avoid the slow, muddy ground on the inside. Despite covering this extra ground, Veandercross managed to pass every runner in the straight except one, the talented mare Mannerism, who won in a photo finish after staying inside Veandercross. Shane Dye was widely criticised for his ride, but he defended himself, insisting that the extra ground he covered on the horse was more than made up for by the firmer ground he raced on as a result. Source is Wikipedia.
@@burlingtonbertie4437 Yes it was a great ride because people weren't aware of track bias. He rode it well it just wasn't good enough.
It's difficult to account for track bias, when the ground is false: i.e heavy in parts where other races/ jockeys on the card have favoured the rail. The jockey on that day made a good decision.
@@gregorykelly4823 Wasn't good enough? Scouting wide is overrated, going via the carpark was unnecessary
F#ck one goat lol
He died mysteriously in his Sydney apartment after complaining severally that there was a private investigator and numerous phone threats he had been receiving from unknown sources over a period of time. Apparently he chose to end his own life.
That was during Roger Rogerson's reign over the NSW police force; lots of so called colourful racing identities were found dead, all over Sydney and some infamous ones survived to tell the tale like George Freeman with shotgun blasts through the front of his Yowie Bay mansion. His children survived to carry on the drug trade. Not all have been convicted all have been accused. Drug money was laundered big time into racing back then in the police royal commission into crime and the police in the late 80s A common phrase to explain how the defendants had so much money and lived luxury lifestyles with no ostensible job or source of income came the stock phrase " I won it at the races".
Don Scott was head of Kerry Packers fathers betting syndicate he made a lot of money for Packers father. When he published his book how to win at the races which still goes for 300$ Packer was an angry man and fired him and bore a grudge, and never gave up on haranguing him, publicly or privately.
As you can well imagine he had a long list of angry bookmakers and associates who did not wish him well of whom allegedly included friends of or Roger himself.
If you have heard of the Infamous Kerry Packer Goanna trial defended by a young lawyer for packer at ICAC called Malcolm Turnbull. Wherein goanna was alleged to be a linchpin in the Australian heroine trade, the picture becomes even more murky and sinister.
I am afraid to say it never looked like Don was going the long race. More a short but colourful sprint and dash.
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He committed suicide which I was very sad to hear.
@@_RACEHORSES_ Very sad to hear this.
I'm not sure what to say about him?
Seems like ancient history now - a myth?
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You can ramble on all day u may as well use a pin these days you haven't. Mentioned luck no luck go broke madmesz
wtf are you talking about to eat breathe survive and live takes luck you moron, that is a given, a complete no brainer, troll, you are a complete time-wasting non-sequiter, go away!
You f*##k o#f and go troll on somewhere else all day owner of a lonely keyboard without driving purpose or mind.