Then lets go full goblet of fire twist plot, it was Jaina with a polyjuice potion all along and Sylvanas has been lock in a trunk in the ruins of Theramore all that time.
Ya know im glad someone else paid attention to that, I mean to be fair it could be that the original plan was only to capture and control it, so it could be a thing where he was just surprised, but still
Yeah I chuckled when I seen Nathanos' reaction. But I thought for sure Saurfang was going to lose his shit. But then again he's old school so no matter what he thinks right at that point he felt it wasn't his place to question her order so he just walked away. But Nathanos you knew Sylvanas was losing her temper when you seen his reaction. You know when the bad asses of the bad asses look scared someone done messed up.
The worst thing about it is that Blizzard provided a perfectly good explanation, but you can only learn about it if you read the accompanying novels. The game and the cinematics don't explain shit, and so people get away with the impression that she did it just to spite that one elf. Which is complete nonsense, obviously. The burning of the tree was a direct consequence of Saurfang failing to kill Malfurion.
As someone who has played Alliance, primarily, for the past 12 years, I was hoping for something better than Garrosh 2.0 from Sylvannas. My condolences.
They couldn't even do it well is what's really upsetting. One of my favorite characters from the beginning is now being made into a genocidal bad guy, and they can't even make the transformation believable. Wish they'd have made Saurfang or Rexxar warchief and left Syl alone.
I’m not without hope just yet. Blizzard knows they risk losing about 1/3 of current subscribers if they mess this up. Either they are the most predictable hacks in storytelling, or they have one hell of a plot twist coming up at some point in the next two years.
Bleeding Eye Watcher I certainly hope so, if they ruin my favorite character teldrassil won't be the only thing burning down. But I feel there... wait. What if Fordring turned dark? Would he not have the power after all this time to exert his will on at least a few of the "rebellious" dead?
“I have never trusted you, nor would I have ever imagined, in our darkest time, that you would be da one to save us... Many will not understand, but you must sep out of da shadows, and lead.” - Vol’jin
I am really hoping there is more to it that we havent seen yet. I do like Sylvanas, but I dislike this act, however look at the quest leading up to it... We didnt slaughter everyone, we saved people.
I think this expansion ending without Sylvanas' death would be a massive cop out. There's no way Saurfang isn't gonna become warchief I just hope the precursor to that is Sylvanas dying and not another Garrosh/Grom situation. The only thing I would accept other than her death is becoming the Lich Queen, given she's basically already become everything she hated about Arthas.
She lost her people and it damaged her hard. Why would she do that to aanyone else, when she knows the best how painful it is? That doesn't make any sense.
TheOmegaSkater so where’s that out rage of when varian captured female orcs then tortured there children in front of them before killing all of them, of the call to genocide against the undead OR the attacking and genocide of troll tribes including peaceful tribes leaving none alive
Nah man, most of us hordies are glad the tree burned, and I also wish saurfang finished off malfurion. the tree hippies were always a bother, and now their tree is gone just like undercity will be. What Sylvanas did was the work of a warchief that wants to rule over Kalimdor, not like a weakling priest who hides from conflict. Vol'Jin wouldve been a great chieftain, but sylvanas is one of the best ones to replace him. Only one who could've been better would've been Saurfang.
My first thought was of the rise of fascist leaders. They rise to power with the help of the people only to commit atrocities like this in the name of their ideology. Sylvanas is an ambitious leader who thinks she's doing what is best for her people, but in truth is a monster. Every antagonist thinks they're the hero of their own story. I can't help but wonder if horde players are intended to feel conflicted about this, almost as if rocking the foundation of the faction now be nothing like what will happen to the alliance. Never underestimate a storytellers sadistic nature. We love to punish our readers, but then conflict is what drives any story.
0:13 "I am a very horde leaning person, i'm sure Jaina is the one that will burn the tree because she is cra-a-a-azy" 4:09 "Oooooooooohhhhh............." "Are we..... THE BAD GUYS ?!" Ok, i've lost count how many times i've said this before but... to all those people that though Sylvannas was some kind of hero: Why?... Do you even lore?! I am so proud of being a fan of Warcraft since the RTS, an have personaly played tru Warcraft 2 and 3 and WoW from its beginning. And anyone that has actualy played the games, and payed a minimum of attention to the story, in other words, anyone with a pair of eyes and ears, will tell you, Sylvannas is NOT a good character... She is not a hero... She is the product of hate and sorrow... a being that exists only to revenge, and that won't care how deep she has to fall to accomplish her goals... She-is-not the nice guy of the story. But, unlike Illidan, she is not there to protect anything, for she thinks there's nothing left to protect. Illidan may have been neither the nicest guy... but at least he fought to protect something, that's why at least he is considered an Anti-hero, Sylvannas in the other hand... well... And this is not a garrosh 2.0... Garrosh is a char that genuinely went from a rash, yet honorable warrior, to a crazy warmonger... it was more understandable that people where upset at the twist of character he had... but Sylvannas... she has never been a nice, honorable anything (i mean since after Arthas killed her)
jaina out of all the npc has the most reasons to go all bat shit but, in the end shes not stupid she will probably have a big part in this expansion finally, on the other hand miss emo queen there was the obvious suspect, unthinking and rash she went off the rails and divided the horde and burned out a formidable bargaining chip for her cause, if only she didnt lose sight of the initial plan and killed malfurion instead of just walking away, and kept the tree has a resource then she would actually be a little more well placed for the coming war.
2 good points, here are my thoughts about it: 1 - She didn't kill Malfurion for a couple reazons: Because she wanted Saurfang to do it personaly, to get his hands bloody. That's why she leaves. If she stays, it would still mean less. If she leaves and he kills Malfurion, Saurfang could not argue that he was following orders and that his warchief was just there, waiting for he to complete his task. BUT in the case she leaves, and he dosen't kill him, then she can brand Saurfang as a traitor... and get rid of him. Saurfang is a pilar of honor, a bastion that represent all the good things horde... an obstacle for her machinations... So, if he dosen't do as she order him, she has an advantage there, to later kick him out. Also! If Saurfangs kills Malfurion alone, the Alliance hate would be totaly directed on him... Sylvannas is all ways of cunning, she plots well in advance, and she is kind of a coward, she uses others to do her dirty work. 2 - I think it was kinda convenient how all the catapults were already pointed towards Teldrasil... and loaded with Azerite bombs...Don't you think? That's because her plan was to burn the tree all along. An attack of the magnitude needed to burn the whole tree whole can't be pulled in 2 seconds because you get all pissed towards a soldier... You need to have the weapons ready, AND the ammo. And like the elf said, she had already won... And just to finish here... i been thinking... what if this war is just the first step of a much bigger plan? She said : Life is pain, and againm the elf said "You made life your enemy"... What if Sylvannas is plotting to realy kill everybody in the planet and turn them into undeads enslaved to her will? Remember, she said that too in the comic... it may actualy be true....
Just THANK YOU. It's nice to see at least one person from this crowd who knows Lore. It is a pity that the players are not interested in Lore, and play for the Horde only for the reason that it is "brutal."
It seems, whether she knows it or not, she's still carrying on the old Lich King's will: To exterminate all life on Azeroth. I could be wrong, but that's what it appears to be to me.
It's literally what she is now. If anyone doesn't know yet, that nightelf in the cinematic is the captain the alliance side quests with throughout the scenario in parts 1 and 2. She is essentially Sylvanas' nightelf equivalent facing the same scenario Sylvanas faced when her home was sacked by Arthas.
I'm more Alliance than ever. But no, I'm not loving your reaction in the way you mean. In fact I'm so, so sorry for your sake. And for all Horde players that share your sentiment. Also (as I said to a guildie): Sylvanas burning the tree was SO obvious that a plot twist was too obvious. It was a double twist. Now we wait to see what happens with Sylvanas. I honestly think the plot twist is still coming. It's just that it will take much more story before we get to it. Love from Eastern Kingdoms!
Here's hoping she does something to redeem herself, turns the horde over to saurfang, and goes wandering into the sunset leaving Nathanos in charge of the forsaken, showing up for major questlines in the future. I'm really going to be upset if this ends with her dead or still like.. this.
THANK YOU as a Horde player I also HATE it when I see ppl bitching about Sylvanas being a bad bitch. Like why the hell do people apply the morality of Real life into a fantasy MMO? Like who cares who is evil and not, welcome to world of WARcraft, there are no cops to arrest our warchief for starting a faction war. So dissapointed with Horde players whinning about wanting to be good peace keepers, social justice warriors wannabe.
I don't THINK so... it will just be another kind of twist. But it's also possible that it won't be a twist but a slower more standard development. In any case I'm confident that Blizz has an idea what they want to do with this, and I don't think it's a repeat of Garrosh. (My crazy theory involves Undead as a third faction... but I know there's not much backing THAT up) :D
Well come on, Sylvanas is literally "The Dark Lady". She's straight up the darkest most sinister character in the series. She has her own agenda and the horde is her tool. Yeah she played along during Legion for the greater good, but now it's time to go to war and its ugly. I'm interested to see how far this goes.
Azeroth will never be at peace, it’s literally the world of Warcraft. The titans spoke of it in lore. It will only get worse. We are all just along for the ride.
I feel bad for hordies. Yet another potentially interesting warchief turned psycho murderer. Isn't it time for the alliance to be the bad guys for once?
So... Like Jonathan just said, remember Arthas? Bolvar? The only difference is that both of them become enemies for both factions, kinda like Garrosh. Sylvannas is an enemy for the Alliance only... At least until now
Jonathan Tessier he came from alliance but he ultimately was his own side making a common enemy for both. This just makes one side evil again. Plus they arent giving her a motive and just making her appear crazy
No gloating, but my question is where are all the cooler heads. Did the Blood Elves think raining fiery death and destroying an elven homeland was a good idea? What about the Pandaren who only fight for home and family? Where were they in a fight for neither? The Horde has a habit of not confronting their leaders, especially on questionable decisions.
Rahsaan Footman the horde are notorious for doing things without even telling the others, that is except the Taurens. But when the alliance attacked innocent workers I believe all the alliance leaders knew about that? I can't remember 100% but I believe they did.
This wasn't what was agreed upon by the horde lol. They were okay with capturing the tree but not burning it. She burns the tree out of spite on a whim because she's angry. I don't know where the other leaders are but I would imagine this wouldnt have happened had they been there.
neither good nor evil. Grey is this case is a reference to what is in between white and black (alluding to good and evil). Oh and, he's being sarcastic 😅
because the horde love sylvanas, because shes a good person, but lazy writing has led to this shit burning down teldrassil, what a waste of a horde character again, SoO 2.0 imbound
I think her goal is to make everyone Undead! but Voljin put her in charge because the spirit were telling him to. I don't think its bad writting something will probably happen with the old god and it will kind of make her look better.
"Hey, you make grey by mixing black and white, right? So if we have black and white character in the same scene it'll get mixed together and become gray, right?" - Blizzard's writers, probably
Without doubt, all horde players (including my Undead Mage) are having a SERIOUS existential crisis right now. HOW can one follow a leader who does this? How can one follow one who abandons all Hope? Even those in the Horde rely upon Hope to sustain us in crisis. Truly ... a fell day indeed! I grieve for the Horde!
yep. i have personally walked away and wont be returning to WoW. We horde were flat out lied to for months. WoW dev team has reached EA trash levels to me.
I’ve not lost faith in the Dark Lady just yet. If Blizzard truly does make her Garrosh 2.0, WoW is officially dead in terms of storytelling. Multiple events don’t add up. I’m not entirely convinced this isn’t some “not as it seems” moment. Sylvanas, for all her shady and arguably dark methods, never does anything without a good reason. I choose to remain at her side as one of her champions, for now.
they made Garrosh a Sylvanas 2.0! Sylvanas has been evil since the day Arthas killed her. she worked with the plague in gilneas after Garrosh said no. she does things for her own good and listens to noone. now she has been given the one spot where she can do whatever she wants and noone can stop her from doing it. or she finds a new person who will.
Her burning the tree didn’t hurt me as much as the quest after that part. I managed to save only 50 out of freaking 1000 citizens.... that was depressing....
The narrative wasn't as good but the whole fighting Warchief dynamic didn't happen till MoP with a build up in Cata. One has to wonder if Chris for-the-horde- Metzen was still here, would he destroy the soul of the Horde that way.
How nobody saw this coming? she was this evil since the beginning of WoW... she always acted in a selfish way, joined the Horde for convenience, developed a more powerful plague behind the warchief eyes (a plague that later would be used by Putress to exterminate as much Horde as Alliance members), attacked Gilneas without previous provocation (killing its heir to the throne in the proccess) slaughtered innocent humans of Hillsbrad Foothills just to bring them back to life to serve her... and so on... she was an interesting character during warcraft 3, but since wow released she is being like she is in this video, an evil flat minded generic comic villain...
meesh11p explain how long dose the horde have to watch alliances call to genocide and killing of children as well civilians before a leader fights back?
bloodhuff W.h.a.t? Evil since the begining? No tf she wasn't, she was an amazing character that was the only one with the balls to stand up against Arthas - she even broke his will over her as first undead. It was in CATACLYSM that they messed up her character.. Either learn the lore or shut up, since you spew lies just to make our faction look better. Fan boys like you make me want to switch JFS. Also - she didn't want to kill the prince, he got in the way. Srsly were you playing or just clicking "complete" the whole time?
Jin the banana from the left Yes, yes, Evil since the beginning, "we are the forsaken we will slaughter anyone who stands in our way" in Vanilla you could see her experimenting shit with her Apothecary Society behind Thrall's eyes. She was the only one with the balls to stand up against Arthas? she doesn't break Arthas will in any moment, she gets back her consciousness because Frostmourne lost power, that's it. This is what she said back in Frozen Throne campaign: "For some reason I no longer hear the Lich King's voice in my head. My will is my own once again." And in WoTLK while Garrosh, Saurfang and the 7th Legion of the Alliance were fighting and trying to settle their headquarters, she was in the opposite corner of Northrend developing a more powerful plague (which you, the hero, help her to develope), a plague that later would be used (by Putress) in the Wrath Gate battle to kill EVERYONE, not just the Scourge..., you say "she kill the Gilnean prince because he got in the way", don't tell me, she was in Gilneas because she wanted to make friends, right? in the moment the gates came down she tried to destroy, conquer the kingdom and turn their citizens into undeads, xDDD what you say is absurd, also I said "she attacked Gilneas without previous provocation (killing its heir to the throne in the proccess)" I didn't say how the prince was killed so what you say can be true in my argument, if I have to learn about lore you should learn how to read my friend. Also people like you, always got nervous when someone say unpleasent truths about her, using excuses like "learn the lore /cry /cry, read the quest before clicking "complete" /cry /cry, you are a fanboy /cry /cry" but the funny thing is that you never talk with arguments, only insults, which make your point totally invalid right away, if you want to talk, let's talk, but the only thing you did in your comment was whinning without any logic and insult me. And you call me fanboy? XDDD
I am surprised that everyone is so surprised about Sylvanas. Her motto is: Death to the living. What do you all think what that means? She wants to kill everything that lives, she wants to make them to Forsaken and who believes you will be after the Alliance? Ever thought of it?
I play both sides, but I'm primarily an Alliance player. That being said, I do not believe that the Horde are the bad guys. Sylvanas, yes, but not the faction as a whole. This hurts, obviously, but I do think it makes for a really interesting story for Horde players and their characters. Do you follow your Warchief at all costs? What does it mean to be For the Horde? Is this war in the interests of the Horde, or just Sylvanas? My Horde toon is a Tauren Druid, so this whole storyline has been heartbreaking for me from that perspective.
im an alliance and i believe horde are all about honor and glory. i don't believe the horde are evil, its just the fact that sylvanas represents the horde so shes making the horde look bad with this.
Idk there are a ton of innocent people in org. The tauren at least are the most peaceful of the horde races when it comes to faction interaction. Though I wouldn't shed a tear if sylvanis was gone. She was a turd since wc3. My only complaint would be again replacing warchiefs and recycling a story from what 2010?
I'm just upset that they are rehashing an old plot. I really wish they would focus on the horde being an honorable band of outcasts and misfits that try to survive.. this making horde leaders villians for the sake of shock value is stale
As an Orc player from Warcraft 3, I am so happy. This is for every Blademaster who spent the game caught in a tornado. This is for every Tauren Chieften constantly mana burnedThis is for every time you turtled up behind moonwells This is for every cheesy creeping with you damn trees. My hatred of the night elves runs deep and they are finally defeated. Lok'tar O'gar, Warchief!
Garrosh 2.0 everyone, now with extra crazy and malice. I'm very much Alliance but even I think the Horde deserve a break from losing Warchiefs or just simply getting full on insane and/or evil ones. Not that I had high hopes for Sylvanas in that respect but I mean come on, Blizzard, at a certain point you're just kicking the Horde players while they're down.
Sylvanas has completed Groms quest to conquer Asheville giving a great victory to the Warsong. She has brought Darkshore under Horde control and burned and enemy capital to the ground and robbing them of their immortality in one stroke. Truly the greatest Warchief ever.
Horde > Thrall (Alive) > Garrosh (dead) > Vol'jin (dead) > Sylvanus Alliance > Bolvar (LK) > Varian (dead) > Anduin .... so, the Horde has 1 more high leader death than the Alliance; which isn't a huge deal.
This is a pre-emptive strike. Sylvanas' decision might not be incredibly popular with non-forsaken members of the horde, but she was just doing what she thought was best.
i too am a horde player and i thought it was gonna be azshara who did it gutted it was yet again our warchief who gone dun nuts i am sick of blizz killing our warchiefs after making them do bad stuff... i really hope there's something more to this and maybe that someone is controlling her but as she just wanted to capture it first and it took a night elf taunting her to do it i somehow doubt it if someone was controlling her she would of always intended on burning it but she didnt she just decided to do it... ffs blizz why you do dis
I'm Alliance, but I agree, the Horde deserve to get a Warchief that doesn't just die or turn out to be a complete homicidal nutjob. She's giving Garrosh a good run for his money in the "being a complete dick" department.
Being controlled would be a severe cop-out. Jaina won't die. She will be the Kul'Tiran faction leader post-BFA. Azshara will die. Sylvanus may or may not die. Also, why be sorry? The story is what matters and this is going to be an amazing story.
I think it was interesting that, given Sylvanas’ history, the Horde’s attack on Teldrassil mirrored almost precisely the Scourge’s attack on Silvermoon. The relentless advance, the use of poisons in place of the Scourge’s plague, the killing of innocents. Something Panzer might not see is that after the cinematic, the Alliance players arrive in Darnassus as it is burning, and are given a quest to evacuate 900+ civilians, and are given just 3 minutes to do it. Of course it’s impossible, and the desperate despair of trying to clear a city we’ve had since the game began, while the air is smoke-filled and the fires rage, is a very real feeling. Additionally, some of the NPCs call for help, including one wrenching example of a woman begging for our help to find her child. We never do before we’re forced to retreat through a portal.
The Horde cannot be redeemed, their actions rely on the warchief. You can have an honorable one like Thrall and peace might have a chance, but put in a weakling or a maniac like Sylvanas and all bets are off.
I found the turn of events really boring. I suppose Blizzard can still turn this around. But for now it seems like the loa spirits were drunk that day.
Old gods obvously not loas, ad ilgynoth said "at hour of her third death she will usher our coming"- sylvannas . "King of diamonds has been made a pawn"- bronzebeard and "boy king will offer you three lies" - anduin. So all of the main chars right now are mentioned by old gods. So im calling it now. OLD GODS
There is only one True Warchief, Thrall. When Sylvanas was turned into a banshee, the Undead corruption took what she was(back in Warcraft 3). It was a Matter of time before she revealed herself, as warchief she would use the horde for her agenda, in the end it was the undead theme since vanilla.
Someone else made a really good point about it being her: This story isn't about them hiding clues from us, it's about showing us who these people are. Sylvanas has never been good after her undeath started, and this is how she fights. She works to destroy hope in her enemies, and when her encounter with the captain showed her that it didn't work, that even killing Malfurion wouldn't do what she wanted, she realized she needed to kick it up and destroy something that actually was a symbol of hope, that actually provided hope for her enemies. I was disappointed at first when I saw the cinematic at the end of the mission, but thinking on it, it fits her. I would like to think that they will not make her behave stupidly, like Garrosh, and that later on she may have a...well redeption really wouldn't fit; if she became a character of "good," it wouldn't be her anymore. Rather I would like to see her become a better warchief. You are right about the Horde going through too many warchiefs. I'm just hoping this war will both sides darker and more noble sides. Right now though? This will do, with the previous caveat of her not becoming yet another Garrosh.
Those tear streaks burnt into her cheeks, were the last tears she would ever shed, once she was reborn as the banshee queen, she was cold and calculated but I still admired her for her loyalty to the forsaken, but since she became warchief, she has allowed her hatred to totally corrupt her and forcing that poor dying elf to watch the tree burn, that was the ultimate cruelty.
Im not Laughing at you.....I freaking called it. Sylvanas Has Been a Baddie since after the death of the Lich king. Seriously... She Attacked Gilneas unprovoked. Simply because she needed more undead... She literally turned into the Lich Queen... I had hoped that she was turning a new Leaf after saving the Horde on the Broken shore....But alas...Good things always die hard.
She attacked Gilneas under orders from Garrosh, because he wanted their port. Also, can we stop with the "Lich Queen" shit? Her title is already "Banshee Queen," it's an inherent juxtaposition of the Lich King title.
Red Sparrow nope. When you become that which you hate... its better to call someone something that is reminiscent of it. So I’ll continue to call her the lich queen.
I honestly love Sylvanas, from trying to protect her people when she was still alive as a high elf as Ranger General of Silvermoon. Arthas LITERALLY ripped her soul out. After his “death” she threw herself from the top of Icecrown, she died and was resurrected. Yes she’s made out to be the bad guy especially in the burning of Teldrassil, but you have to remember. She’s failed 3 times now to save her people, well her undead people but still, from Garrosh to Genn. I think she truly feels she’s failed her people in life and in death, and I think in someway as warchief she’s trying to save not only her people, but also the entirety of the horde. For the Horde!💕
When we are young and full of optimism, we hope for a world that is better. We judge those who have come before us for having made mistakes and difficult choices. But once it is us in that position, we realize why they made those choices. We see how the path we've walked has led us down the same road. We see how history repeats itself in a circle endlessly. And rather than fight it, we simply accept our place in it and revel in it. Sylvanas had a choice from the very beginning of which road to walk and she chose hatred, rage, and sorrow to be her companions, she chose to embrace her undead nature. The person she once was, the noble person who stood up to Arthas, that person is literally dead. The same goes for Jaina. They are both inexorably repeating the mistakes of the past, chained to the fate they have forged for themselves. Don't mourn for the loss of who they once were. That is something that was gone a long time ago.
Sylvanas sees herself as the savior of her people, a great unifier, and a bringer of peace by: 1. Expanding the Forsaken. 2. Unifying families broken by the Scourge and separated by life via undeath. 3. Through undeath there will be equalization and peace under her absolute rule.
Yeah, was also really surprised that Sylvanas ended up burning the tree. It seemed too obvious. Then that whole "well I didn't expect that outcome" threw me off.
Why? I don't. Check her reaction video for BfA opening cinematic and see her gloat aboutAnduin got hit and words she said. Payback time. Not sorry for her
Dejan Petranović Dejan Petranović Looks like a triggered Alliance fanboy. You one siders are shitty. Not feeling bad for a person because she gloated about Anduin? Grow up.
"So, story team: we need a really great storyline for this expansion! Something really original!" "I know! How about this: the Horde Warchief responds to the threat of an Alliance city on Kalimdor by utterly annihilating it in a cataclysmic attack, thereby firmly establishing that the Horde are the badguys!" "Uhm...didn't we do that storyline already?" "Yeah, but that was three expansions ago! Nobody will remember!"
Never forget that Garrosh executed his own General for destroying a tree full of innocents and children. #garroshdidnothingwrong #theramorewasaninsidejob
Mr. Boling _ Garrosh fit the spirit of the Horde far more than Sylvanas. She's just pure evil at this point. She's like an evil dictator that rules with fear like Kim Jong. At least Garrosh had a sense of warriors honor. But all those who follow Sylvanas completely understand are just as evil as her. I hope there is a civil war among the Horde. Maybe Sylvanas will become a third more evil faction and disband from the Horde.
Wasn't surprised, always knew it would be Sylvanus to burn it down... "Ours is a cycle of hatred"... "And we have forgotten what makes us strong" i stand by my Warchief! Sylvanus to the end, burn it all!
In what world.... of warcraft, is it surprising that Sylvanas is the arsonist? Just look at her character arc since Arthas's fall. Gilneas and South Shore, destroyed by slyv's plague. Stepped up to proto-LK status murdering her way to increasing the forsaken population. Planned the murder of her own sister, planned the murder of her sister again and the murder of her recently returned long lost sister. Attempted to enslave Eyre and in doing so more val'kir. Killing her own loyal subjects who returned from the reunion as ordered. As much as you may love Sylvanas, she is no longer the sympathetic yet tragic figure holding her new people together to avenge what the Lich King had done. She crossed the point of no return and is slowly becoming the very thing she hated... Arthas. Sylvanas is dead and gone, only the banshee queen remains.
After taking a day to think about it, Sylvanas basically wanted to destroy the night elves hope. The captain knew that Salvanas was hunting Malphrion. After all he left the captain to go challenge her head on. So to her seeing Salvanas before her means that the horde won. Malphrion and the wisp failed and Malphrion's fate to her is unknown with him either living or dying. But yet she clung on to hope. So Salvanas needed to make a big statement and crush that completely. However, I believe this will be the Ally's version of Pearl Harbor and they will rally around the night elves that suffered.
Horde be going through warchiefs like Hogwarts went through Dark Arts teachers.
Willy P extra point to Gryffindor for making that reference on Harry Potter's b-day
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hahahahaha ok that was perfect!! good job sir!
Then lets go full goblet of fire twist plot, it was Jaina with a polyjuice potion all along and Sylvanas has been lock in a trunk in the ruins of Theramore all that time.
Thats because Voldemort cursed the spot after he was banished btw
Even Nathanos was like: "wait wut?"
I know, right?
You know you dun gon batshit cray cray when even Nathanos looks at you in horror....
I thought he just wasn't paying attention. "Burn it." "Hmmm?" "BURN IT!" "Oh snap okay, here we go."
yah I realized that, even her most loyal dude was not down.
Ah, he just wanted to slaughter Elves with his own hands, rather than watching them burn from afar. He was probably just mildly disappointed. :D
-Panzer "I can't deal with anymore emotional devastation..."
-Blizzard "Hold my beer..."
"Alliance is loving this reaction from me now"
yep
she done fcked up :P Even Nathanos hesitated lol
You're the first person I see comment about Nathanos hesitate. Quite a shocker since he's her Champion.
haha It really must be a really fucked up thing to Nathanos doubt about a command from Sylvannas.
Tbh in that moment of hesitation, I almost expected Saurfang stepping in the way and refusing to let this go thru
Ya know im glad someone else paid attention to that, I mean to be fair it could be that the original plan was only to capture and control it, so it could be a thing where he was just surprised, but still
Yeah I chuckled when I seen Nathanos' reaction. But I thought for sure Saurfang was going to lose his shit. But then again he's old school so no matter what he thinks right at that point he felt it wasn't his place to question her order so he just walked away. But Nathanos you knew Sylvanas was losing her temper when you seen his reaction. You know when the bad asses of the bad asses look scared someone done messed up.
What mount sylvanas will drop?
dakjd sdaasdasd Nathanos I hope
xD I cannot wait to mount my Blightcaller!
Invisible
A regular lvl 20 skeletal horse
Whatever it is, it will be colored gray.
Before the reaction: "I don't think it was Sylvanus."
Oh god this isn't going to go well.
Sylvanas*
The worst thing about it is that Blizzard provided a perfectly good explanation, but you can only learn about it if you read the accompanying novels. The game and the cinematics don't explain shit, and so people get away with the impression that she did it just to spite that one elf. Which is complete nonsense, obviously. The burning of the tree was a direct consequence of Saurfang failing to kill Malfurion.
As a horde player... this reaction sums up how I feel perfectly.
Weak, the Alliance must be erradicated, this world feeds on war.
Correy Barnes I played both sides. This is... 14 years.
Lalo Gste haha love your comment! finally a true warrior of the horde!
FOR THE HOOOOORD
As someone who has played Alliance, primarily, for the past 12 years, I was hoping for something better than Garrosh 2.0 from Sylvannas. My condolences.
They couldn't even do it well is what's really upsetting. One of my favorite characters from the beginning is now being made into a genocidal bad guy, and they can't even make the transformation believable. Wish they'd have made Saurfang or Rexxar warchief and left Syl alone.
I’m not without hope just yet. Blizzard knows they risk losing about 1/3 of current subscribers if they mess this up. Either they are the most predictable hacks in storytelling, or they have one hell of a plot twist coming up at some point in the next two years.
Bleeding Eye Watcher This is what I am hoping for.
Bleeding Eye Watcher I certainly hope so, if they ruin my favorite character teldrassil won't be the only thing burning down. But I feel there... wait. What if Fordring turned dark? Would he not have the power after all this time to exert his will on at least a few of the "rebellious" dead?
Pretty sure I am REACHING but still. That would be a believable enough twist to where maybe, just MAYBE
Bliz what happened to “morally gray”
Wait until it turns out that Teldrassil is Old God infested.
and that will change what Sylvanas did even if that is the case Xar? lol
Well, not your frozen, joke-understanding-incapable mind, for sure.
Xar Alkaid Roasted!
Xar Alkaid Well played
“I have never trusted you, nor would I have ever imagined, in our darkest time, that you would be da one to save us... Many will not understand, but you must sep out of da shadows, and lead.” - Vol’jin
Spirits were trolling.
Da spirits be trollin mon
instead, she stepped INTO the shadows.
I don’t care how many times I watch this, Sylvanas seeing the mother and the baby die always makes my eyes tear up
I play Horde and can't stand that Sylvanas did this. It's OK to not approve of your leader's conduct. I miss Thrall and Vol'jin.
Ain't that the truth. Look at america 2018.
I am really hoping there is more to it that we havent seen yet. I do like Sylvanas, but I dislike this act, however look at the quest leading up to it... We didnt slaughter everyone, we saved people.
As a Warcraft III player...I, too, miss Green Jesus.
Chuck Castle only Saurfangs party did, according to books other Horde soldekiers just killed whoever they saw, armed or unarmed, wounded or not.
> Kills a tree of life
> Blizzard: Morally grey.
> wat
well see, that Tree was sick. Infested with a terrible disease. A disease called Nightelves!
4:30 Um, it’s Sylvanas, I didn’t expect anything else😂
Stop killing our Warchiefs. Grumble. Grumble. Grumble.
I don't think they'l kill Sylvannas off. As much as I hate her. *Snort* *Snort* *Snort*
Stop supporting crazy evil warchiefs
Grumble for warchief? He has all the elements for it :D
they will kill off anybody that could potentially have good character development
I think this expansion ending without Sylvanas' death would be a massive cop out. There's no way Saurfang isn't gonna become warchief I just hope the precursor to that is Sylvanas dying and not another Garrosh/Grom situation. The only thing I would accept other than her death is becoming the Lich Queen, given she's basically already become everything she hated about Arthas.
Confirmed: Sylvanas did 9/11
Ryan Ebrecht twice. Gilneas and Teldrassil/Darnassus
She wants to invade Teldrassil for the oil
"you can kill us, but you cannot kill hope!"
Sylvanas: Hold my beer.
Plot twist: The day before she burned the tree was the drinking event of the Kirin Tor. Sylvanas was still hungover :D
Hah! Hilarious, but she really can kill any hope of victory the Alliance has; and through that she can create a lasting peace
She should have been holding a beer through the scene. Lol even better
She's unhinged, she ditched her original plan & got triggered bc she didnt like what the elf said. Weak.
VICTORY FOR SYLVANAS!!!!!!!
Your theory was so unrealistic with Jaina
Jaina will BURN DOWN THE TREE WITH HER FROST MAG.... uh, wait...
She lost her people and it damaged her hard. Why would she do that to aanyone else, when she knows the best how painful it is? That doesn't make any sense.
@@lorinctoth9402 The same could be said about Sylvanas...but here we are
To be honest as a undead character I don’t care how evil we have to be along as we win.
emconite gamez lol see you next week
emconite gamez wouldn’t say evil I would more or less say sick of dumb shit and fightinback
There is no honor!
I wouldnt say evil thats not a thing in Warcraft Kappa youre just becoming the scourge 2.0 ^^
TheOmegaSkater so where’s that out rage of when varian captured female orcs then tortured there children in front of them before killing all of them, of the call to genocide against the undead OR the attacking and genocide of troll tribes including peaceful tribes leaving none alive
I feel bad for the Horde tbh, alliance blood is boiling right now with righteous anger and Horde is like ..wtf why?
but great reaction^^
I just wanted a nice tree to go on vacations, and what I've got is a huge torch..... ok... never liked the tree anyway...
For real. Her doing this makes no fucking sense. As a die hard Horde player I dont know how this benefits us.
She lost her fucking mind.
Nah man, most of us hordies are glad the tree burned, and I also wish saurfang finished off malfurion. the tree hippies were always a bother, and now their tree is gone just like undercity will be. What Sylvanas did was the work of a warchief that wants to rule over Kalimdor, not like a weakling priest who hides from conflict. Vol'Jin wouldve been a great chieftain, but sylvanas is one of the best ones to replace him. Only one who could've been better would've been Saurfang.
My first thought was of the rise of fascist leaders. They rise to power with the help of the people only to commit atrocities like this in the name of their ideology. Sylvanas is an ambitious leader who thinks she's doing what is best for her people, but in truth is a monster. Every antagonist thinks they're the hero of their own story.
I can't help but wonder if horde players are intended to feel conflicted about this, almost as if rocking the foundation of the faction now be nothing like what will happen to the alliance.
Never underestimate a storytellers sadistic nature. We love to punish our readers, but then conflict is what drives any story.
0:13 "I am a very horde leaning person, i'm sure Jaina is the one that will burn the tree because she is cra-a-a-azy"
4:09 "Oooooooooohhhhh............."
"Are we..... THE BAD GUYS ?!"
Ok, i've lost count how many times i've said this before but... to all those people that though Sylvannas was some kind of hero: Why?... Do you even lore?! I am so proud of being a fan of Warcraft since the RTS, an have personaly played tru Warcraft 2 and 3 and WoW from its beginning. And anyone that has actualy played the games, and payed a minimum of attention to the story, in other words, anyone with a pair of eyes and ears, will tell you, Sylvannas is NOT a good character... She is not a hero... She is the product of hate and sorrow... a being that exists only to revenge, and that won't care how deep she has to fall to accomplish her goals... She-is-not the nice guy of the story. But, unlike Illidan, she is not there to protect anything, for she thinks there's nothing left to protect. Illidan may have been neither the nicest guy... but at least he fought to protect something, that's why at least he is considered an Anti-hero, Sylvannas in the other hand... well...
And this is not a garrosh 2.0... Garrosh is a char that genuinely went from a rash, yet honorable warrior, to a crazy warmonger... it was more understandable that people where upset at the twist of character he had... but Sylvannas... she has never been a nice, honorable anything (i mean since after Arthas killed her)
jaina out of all the npc has the most reasons to go all bat shit but, in the end shes not stupid she will probably have a big part in this expansion finally, on the other hand miss emo queen there was the obvious suspect, unthinking and rash she went off the rails and divided the horde and burned out a formidable bargaining chip for her cause, if only she didnt lose sight of the initial plan and killed malfurion instead of just walking away, and kept the tree has a resource then she would actually be a little more well placed for the coming war.
2 good points, here are my thoughts about it:
1 - She didn't kill Malfurion for a couple reazons: Because she wanted Saurfang to do it personaly, to get his hands bloody. That's why she leaves. If she stays, it would still mean less. If she leaves and he kills Malfurion, Saurfang could not argue that he was following orders and that his warchief was just there, waiting for he to complete his task. BUT in the case she leaves, and he dosen't kill him, then she can brand Saurfang as a traitor... and get rid of him. Saurfang is a pilar of honor, a bastion that represent all the good things horde... an obstacle for her machinations... So, if he dosen't do as she order him, she has an advantage there, to later kick him out. Also! If Saurfangs kills Malfurion alone, the Alliance hate would be totaly directed on him... Sylvannas is all ways of cunning, she plots well in advance, and she is kind of a coward, she uses others to do her dirty work.
2 - I think it was kinda convenient how all the catapults were already pointed towards Teldrasil... and loaded with Azerite bombs...Don't you think? That's because her plan was to burn the tree all along. An attack of the magnitude needed to burn the whole tree whole can't be pulled in 2 seconds because you get all pissed towards a soldier... You need to have the weapons ready, AND the ammo. And like the elf said, she had already won...
And just to finish here... i been thinking... what if this war is just the first step of a much bigger plan? She said : Life is pain, and againm the elf said "You made life your enemy"... What if Sylvannas is plotting to realy kill everybody in the planet and turn them into undeads enslaved to her will? Remember, she said that too in the comic... it may actualy be true....
Just THANK YOU. It's nice to see at least one person from this crowd who knows Lore.
It is a pity that the players are not interested in Lore, and play for the Horde only for the reason that it is "brutal."
No matter what Sylvanas did, I will always love her
same same
Not my warchief.
I stand with the Horde.
Warchief Saurfang
rip
It seems, whether she knows it or not, she's still carrying on the old Lich King's will: To exterminate all life on Azeroth. I could be wrong, but that's what it appears to be to me.
If not that then she's definitely become what she hates most.
It's literally what she is now. If anyone doesn't know yet, that nightelf in the cinematic is the captain the alliance side quests with throughout the scenario in parts 1 and 2. She is essentially Sylvanas' nightelf equivalent facing the same scenario Sylvanas faced when her home was sacked by Arthas.
Damnnn
thats interesting. whats her name? can we expect a nightelf banshee queen? lmao
Seems like next expansion would be a Bolvar expansion. He might still have control over her
I'm more Alliance than ever. But no, I'm not loving your reaction in the way you mean. In fact I'm so, so sorry for your sake. And for all Horde players that share your sentiment.
Also (as I said to a guildie): Sylvanas burning the tree was SO obvious that a plot twist was too obvious. It was a double twist. Now we wait to see what happens with Sylvanas. I honestly think the plot twist is still coming. It's just that it will take much more story before we get to it.
Love from Eastern Kingdoms!
Here's hoping she does something to redeem herself, turns the horde over to saurfang, and goes wandering into the sunset leaving Nathanos in charge of the forsaken, showing up for major questlines in the future. I'm really going to be upset if this ends with her dead or still like.. this.
THANK YOU as a Horde player I also HATE it when I see ppl bitching about Sylvanas being a bad bitch. Like why the hell do people apply the morality of Real life into a fantasy MMO? Like who cares who is evil and not, welcome to world of WARcraft, there are no cops to arrest our warchief for starting a faction war. So dissapointed with Horde players whinning about wanting to be good peace keepers, social justice warriors wannabe.
She is far too evil now for a plot twist. This trully saddens me
I don't THINK so... it will just be another kind of twist. But it's also possible that it won't be a twist but a slower more standard development. In any case I'm confident that Blizz has an idea what they want to do with this, and I don't think it's a repeat of Garrosh.
(My crazy theory involves Undead as a third faction... but I know there's not much backing THAT up) :D
TheCalenestel that's pretty unlikely imo. I think they're going for more of an arthas 2.0 type thing. But I'll continue hoping for otherwise
Well come on, Sylvanas is literally "The Dark Lady". She's straight up the darkest most sinister character in the series. She has her own agenda and the horde is her tool. Yeah she played along during Legion for the greater good, but now it's time to go to war and its ugly. I'm interested to see how far this goes.
Azeroth will never be at peace, it’s literally the world of Warcraft. The titans spoke of it in lore. It will only get worse. We are all just along for the ride.
Also it’ll be boring if the game was peaceful? Lol
Azathoth You want a soother for that bad throat of yours?
Wipe out all the alliance dogs, the true peace will come.
@@centipedeman338 for manduin!
I feel bad for hordies. Yet another potentially interesting warchief turned psycho murderer. Isn't it time for the alliance to be the bad guys for once?
Remember Arthas? One of the most iconic villain in warcraft? He was alliance...
Stop whining lol
Your whole faction is based on killing people.
and your whole faction is just an animal wearing a mask made of human skin.
So... Like Jonathan just said, remember Arthas? Bolvar? The only difference is that both of them become enemies for both factions, kinda like Garrosh. Sylvannas is an enemy for the Alliance only... At least until now
Is that a racial slur against the Tauren? Horde lives matter.
Jonathan Tessier he came from alliance but he ultimately was his own side making a common enemy for both. This just makes one side evil again. Plus they arent giving her a motive and just making her appear crazy
No gloating, but my question is where are all the cooler heads. Did the Blood Elves think raining fiery death and destroying an elven homeland was a good idea? What about the Pandaren who only fight for home and family? Where were they in a fight for neither? The Horde has a habit of not confronting their leaders, especially on questionable decisions.
The TAUREN would have a huge fucking problem with this.
Ask blizzard, they suck at writing, this is the same they did with Garrosh Hellscream...
Rahsaan Footman the horde are notorious for doing things without even telling the others, that is except the Taurens. But when the alliance attacked innocent workers I believe all the alliance leaders knew about that? I can't remember 100% but I believe they did.
This wasn't what was agreed upon by the horde lol. They were okay with capturing the tree but not burning it. She burns the tree out of spite on a whim because she's angry. I don't know where the other leaders are but I would imagine this wouldnt have happened had they been there.
Exactly, I don't even play horde and in my head I'm thinking "wouldn't Tauren be really pissed off with this decision?"
For the Horde,for Lady Sylvanas.This is what war is all about!
“ Alliance are loving my reaction right now “
Alliance are not loving any of you at the moment .
FOR THE ALLIANCE !
I'm feeling morally grey right now.
what is morally grey ？
neither good nor evil. Grey is this case is a reference to what is in between white and black (alluding to good and evil). Oh and, he's being sarcastic 😅
Why everyone spend this in every sylvanas video ?
because the horde love sylvanas, because shes a good person, but lazy writing has led to this shit burning down teldrassil, what a waste of a horde character again, SoO 2.0 imbound
I think her goal is to make everyone Undead! but Voljin put her in charge because the spirit were telling him to. I don't think its bad writting something will probably happen with the old god and it will kind of make her look better.
Blizz tricked us into buying MoP for a second time.
So 9.0 is WoD 2.0 ?? :D
MoP was good yoo!
Mop was a great expac and had a lot of great content
I think ya mean WoD :D
I can’t upvote this comment hard enough
Sylvanas - not the warchief the horde deserve but the warchief the horde need
There's a method to Sylvanas' madness. Trust her. This is war. Blood for blood.
"Morally grey" they said
"Complex Story" they said...
“Both sides making questionable choices” they said
"The Horde aren't evil. They're just misunderstood." They said.
"Hey, you make grey by mixing black and white, right? So if we have black and white character in the same scene it'll get mixed together and become gray, right?" - Blizzard's writers, probably
"Are we the baddies?"
Without doubt, all horde players (including my Undead Mage) are having a SERIOUS existential crisis right now. HOW can one follow a leader who does this? How can one follow one who abandons all Hope? Even those in the Horde rely upon Hope to sustain us in crisis.
Truly ... a fell day indeed! I grieve for the Horde!
yep. i have personally walked away and wont be returning to WoW. We horde were flat out lied to for months. WoW dev team has reached EA trash levels to me.
Speak for yourself!
Yeah I just leveled up a Nightborne hunter that currently wants to go back home and tell everyone “never leave the dome, it’s all shit out there...”
I’ve not lost faith in the Dark Lady just yet. If Blizzard truly does make her Garrosh 2.0, WoW is officially dead in terms of storytelling. Multiple events don’t add up. I’m not entirely convinced this isn’t some “not as it seems” moment. Sylvanas, for all her shady and arguably dark methods, never does anything without a good reason. I choose to remain at her side as one of her champions, for now.
they made Garrosh a Sylvanas 2.0! Sylvanas has been evil since the day Arthas killed her. she worked with the plague in gilneas after Garrosh said no. she does things for her own good and listens to noone. now she has been given the one spot where she can do whatever she wants and noone can stop her from doing it. or she finds a new person who will.
"My Queen!"
Top 10 moments captured before horrible disasters
Her burning the tree didn’t hurt me as much as the quest after that part. I managed to save only 50 out of freaking 1000 citizens.... that was depressing....
I got 86.
got to say thow. simple quest with a lot of meaning. I was impressed.
Felipe Gregianin took me a while to understand what to do with the fires... so so sad
Anyone else miss Thrall yet? :p
I loved the imagery of the golden field and the Scourge too!
No, because WoW's narrative was terrible back then- the same ole Alliance fights Horde until a big bad comes up.
what would u rather have??
Thrall is peace keeping baby. It's not world of peacecraft, it's world of warcraft.
The narrative wasn't as good but the whole fighting Warchief dynamic didn't happen till MoP with a build up in Cata. One has to wonder if Chris for-the-horde- Metzen was still here, would he destroy the soul of the Horde that way.
Konuvis no one likes thrall not a true horde player ! For the horde ! And burn it ! Burn it down !!
Welcome to garrosh 2.0
How nobody saw this coming? she was this evil since the beginning of WoW... she always acted in a selfish way, joined the Horde for convenience, developed a more powerful plague behind the warchief eyes (a plague that later would be used by Putress to exterminate as much Horde as Alliance members), attacked Gilneas without previous provocation (killing its heir to the throne in the proccess) slaughtered innocent humans of Hillsbrad Foothills just to bring them back to life to serve her... and so on... she was an interesting character during warcraft 3, but since wow released she is being like she is in this video, an evil flat minded generic comic villain...
bloodhuff anyone who knows Warcraft history and read the books would know why and supports this action
Please explain why anyone should support her burning alive innocent civilians
meesh11p explain how long dose the horde have to watch alliances call to genocide and killing of children as well civilians before a leader fights back?
bloodhuff
W.h.a.t?
Evil since the begining?
No tf she wasn't, she was an amazing character that was the only one with the balls to stand up against Arthas - she even broke his will over her as first undead.
It was in CATACLYSM that they messed up her character..
Either learn the lore or shut up, since you spew lies just to make our faction look better.
Fan boys like you make me want to switch JFS.
Also - she didn't want to kill the prince, he got in the way. Srsly were you playing or just clicking "complete" the whole time?
Jin the banana from the left Yes, yes, Evil since the beginning, "we are the forsaken we will slaughter anyone who stands in our way" in Vanilla you could see her experimenting shit with her Apothecary Society behind Thrall's eyes. She was the only one with the balls to stand up against Arthas? she doesn't break Arthas will in any moment, she gets back her consciousness because Frostmourne lost power, that's it. This is what she said back in Frozen Throne campaign: "For some reason I no longer hear the Lich King's voice in my head. My will is my own once again." And in WoTLK while Garrosh, Saurfang and the 7th Legion of the Alliance were fighting and trying to settle their headquarters, she was in the opposite corner of Northrend developing a more powerful plague (which you, the hero, help her to develope), a plague that later would be used (by Putress) in the Wrath Gate battle to kill EVERYONE, not just the Scourge..., you say "she kill the Gilnean prince because he got in the way", don't tell me, she was in Gilneas because she wanted to make friends, right? in the moment the gates came down she tried to destroy, conquer the kingdom and turn their citizens into undeads, xDDD what you say is absurd, also I said "she attacked Gilneas without previous provocation (killing its heir to the throne in the proccess)" I didn't say how the prince was killed so what you say can be true in my argument, if I have to learn about lore you should learn how to read my friend. Also people like you, always got nervous when someone say unpleasent truths about her, using excuses like "learn the lore /cry /cry, read the quest before clicking "complete" /cry /cry, you are a fanboy /cry /cry" but the funny thing is that you never talk with arguments, only insults, which make your point totally invalid right away, if you want to talk, let's talk, but the only thing you did in your comment was whinning without any logic and insult me. And you call me fanboy? XDDD
This was hands down the single best reaction you've EVER done!!!
As a Goblin, i enjoy a big fire when i see one.
10/10 #mywarchief
Finally. A fellow member of the Horde with sense.
dont explain me my fetish
MORALLY GREY THEY SAID 😭😭😅
I am surprised that everyone is so surprised about Sylvanas.
Her motto is: Death to the living. What do you all think what that means?
She wants to kill everything that lives, she wants to make them to Forsaken and who believes you will be after the Alliance? Ever thought of it?
Sounds like she became Arthas
This little horde player just got owned
This all wouldn't have happened if the Tree had a gun.
I play both sides, but I'm primarily an Alliance player. That being said, I do not believe that the Horde are the bad guys. Sylvanas, yes, but not the faction as a whole. This hurts, obviously, but I do think it makes for a really interesting story for Horde players and their characters. Do you follow your Warchief at all costs? What does it mean to be For the Horde? Is this war in the interests of the Horde, or just Sylvanas? My Horde toon is a Tauren Druid, so this whole storyline has been heartbreaking for me from that perspective.
im an alliance and i believe horde are all about honor and glory. i don't believe the horde are evil, its just the fact that sylvanas represents the horde so shes making the horde look bad with this.
It would be cool... if it wasn't done already 2 xpacks ago :((((
FOR THE HORDE!!!! I LOVE SYLVANAS AND SHE WILL HAVE MY AXE UNTILL THE END!!!
This is one of my favorite reaction videos of yours simply because of how much emotion you actually show :D
Lions,prepare to siege orgrimmar!
nikola prcic are you saying we get SoO Season 2?
William Herel hope so!
Lions prepeare to die at the gates of ogrimmar
like we did last time? oh wait. your city was a raid LOL
Why so another WoD 2.0? Lols Blizzard writing is trash.
Im feeling "morally grey" about Jaina using the focusing Iris on orgrimmar now.
Even Garrosh is greyer than this.
Idk there are a ton of innocent people in org. The tauren at least are the most peaceful of the horde races when it comes to faction interaction. Though I wouldn't shed a tear if sylvanis was gone. She was a turd since wc3. My only complaint would be again replacing warchiefs and recycling a story from what 2010?
I hope she doesn't. We cannot fight on the same level because even if we win, we lose.
I'm just upset that they are rehashing an old plot. I really wish they would focus on the horde being an honorable band of outcasts and misfits that try to survive.. this making horde leaders villians for the sake of shock value is stale
As an Orc player from Warcraft 3, I am so happy. This is for every Blademaster who spent the game caught in a tornado. This is for every Tauren Chieften constantly mana burnedThis is for every time you turtled up behind moonwells This is for every cheesy creeping with you damn trees. My hatred of the night elves runs deep and they are finally defeated. Lok'tar O'gar, Warchief!
As an Alliance, I am indeed happy with this reaction
She plants humans in a field and test the plague on them and you think she is cute and cuddly, come on.
Yeah, why these weaklings forget that?
she also treated her rangers as disposable fodder and cared little for their demise and that was even before she fell to Arthas.
That was not her, it was warden stillwater who went rogue, thats why you kill him later
this
She was always pragmatic and ruthless but she wasn't just mindlessly evil
Garrosh 2.0 everyone, now with extra crazy and malice. I'm very much Alliance but even I think the Horde deserve a break from losing Warchiefs or just simply getting full on insane and/or evil ones. Not that I had high hopes for Sylvanas in that respect but I mean come on, Blizzard, at a certain point you're just kicking the Horde players while they're down.
What do you expect from orcs, undead? They're monsters afterall...
Ahh... Don't grieve. You'll thank me later...
Sylvanas has completed Groms quest to conquer Asheville giving a great victory to the Warsong. She has brought Darkshore under Horde control and burned and enemy capital to the ground and robbing them of their immortality in one stroke.
Truly the greatest Warchief ever.
"The Horde isn't Evil" burns down the world tree
Horde > Thrall (Alive) > Garrosh (dead) > Vol'jin (dead) > Sylvanus
Alliance > Bolvar (LK) > Varian (dead) > Anduin .... so, the Horde has 1 more high leader death than the Alliance; which isn't a huge deal.
This
what about king llane wrynn?
Well Alliance's Vanilla leader was Anduin but Bolvar and Onyxia were pseudo leaders.
Bolvar was the Reagent and leader. Anduin was not of age and had no authority to command armies and the Nation.
THIS IS WAR! FOR THE HORDE!!
at this point the horde doesn't even know what to do with her
Slyvanas is #NotMyWarchief anymore and is #WorseThanGarrosh!
Garrosh did nothing wrong
Go join the alliance then, Mr Traitor. #DeathtoTraitors
Ameera Hyjal
Well, she's not worse than Garrosh - he wanted every race beside orcs eridicated.
Sure, feed the alliance. LOL
Ameera Hyjal don’t blame her she is under the spell of Blizzards terrible writing.
Watching your intro... "you sweet summer child". Great video Panser!
"This is war." This sums up that morals doesn't matter at all. They made a..realistic character
This is a pre-emptive strike. Sylvanas' decision might not be incredibly popular with non-forsaken members of the horde, but she was just doing what she thought was best.
i too am a horde player and i thought it was gonna be azshara who did it gutted it was yet again our warchief who gone dun nuts i am sick of blizz killing our warchiefs after making them do bad stuff... i really hope there's something more to this and maybe that someone is controlling her but as she just wanted to capture it first and it took a night elf taunting her to do it i somehow doubt it if someone was controlling her she would of always intended on burning it but she didnt she just decided to do it... ffs blizz why you do dis
I'm Alliance, but I agree, the Horde deserve to get a Warchief that doesn't just die or turn out to be a complete homicidal nutjob. She's giving Garrosh a good run for his money in the "being a complete dick" department.
Being controlled would be a severe cop-out.
Jaina won't die. She will be the Kul'Tiran faction leader post-BFA.
Azshara will die.
Sylvanus may or may not die.
Also, why be sorry? The story is what matters and this is going to be an amazing story.
I like how she acts like it's the first time shes watching it
I think it was interesting that, given Sylvanas’ history, the Horde’s attack on Teldrassil mirrored almost precisely the Scourge’s attack on Silvermoon. The relentless advance, the use of poisons in place of the Scourge’s plague, the killing of innocents. Something Panzer might not see is that after the cinematic, the Alliance players arrive in Darnassus as it is burning, and are given a quest to evacuate 900+ civilians, and are given just 3 minutes to do it. Of course it’s impossible, and the desperate despair of trying to clear a city we’ve had since the game began, while the air is smoke-filled and the fires rage, is a very real feeling. Additionally, some of the NPCs call for help, including one wrenching example of a woman begging for our help to find her child. We never do before we’re forced to retreat through a portal.
So do what you guys should have done long ago and make the Tauren chieften War Leader. He's the only one level headed enough to lead anyway. IMAO.
Agreed, either that make Thrall the leader again.
Rick H Baine is too soft to be warcheif
Like what the players want matters to blizzard...
The Horde cannot be redeemed, their actions rely on the warchief. You can have an honorable one like Thrall and peace might have a chance, but put in a weakling or a maniac like Sylvanas and all bets are off.
World of Peacecraft doesn't sell.
I found the turn of events really boring. I suppose Blizzard can still turn this around.
But for now it seems like the loa spirits were drunk that day.
Patric Flück actually the loa that spoke to vol jin is the loa of death, it only makes sense that he would pick someone who would cause more death
Or maybe the WHISPERS he heard werent from Loa after all...
Kijubgg loa of death bwansamdi hates undead
Old gods obvously not loas, ad ilgynoth said "at hour of her third death she will usher our coming"- sylvannas . "King of diamonds has been made a pawn"- bronzebeard and "boy king will offer you three lies" - anduin. So all of the main chars right now are mentioned by old gods. So im calling it now. OLD GODS
You do know the Loa can be evil right? We have fought them before lol...
The way I literally was so close to sobbing the first time I watched this is unreal. Your reaction describes exactly the way I felt lmao
There is only one True Warchief, Thrall.
When Sylvanas was turned into a banshee, the Undead corruption took what she was(back in Warcraft 3).
It was a Matter of time before she revealed herself, as warchief she would use the horde for her agenda, in the end it was the undead theme since vanilla.
- you can't kill hope
- well I'm rubber, you're gl-BURN IT!
I belly laughed at this! lmfao!
Sorry but Sylvanas has got to go. She is literally the lich queen.
Really? Because during this entire prepatch she has yet to raise one soldier from the dead despite having the power to do so.
True, compared to the great Arthas Menethil she is just a little crazy emo XD
Ihaveaglitch hahahah just wait till the battle for lordaeron.
My fault, true
Lich queen???? Tell to Bolvar
Someone else made a really good point about it being her: This story isn't about them hiding clues from us, it's about showing us who these people are. Sylvanas has never been good after her undeath started, and this is how she fights. She works to destroy hope in her enemies, and when her encounter with the captain showed her that it didn't work, that even killing Malfurion wouldn't do what she wanted, she realized she needed to kick it up and destroy something that actually was a symbol of hope, that actually provided hope for her enemies. I was disappointed at first when I saw the cinematic at the end of the mission, but thinking on it, it fits her.
I would like to think that they will not make her behave stupidly, like Garrosh, and that later on she may have a...well redeption really wouldn't fit; if she became a character of "good," it wouldn't be her anymore. Rather I would like to see her become a better warchief. You are right about the Horde going through too many warchiefs. I'm just hoping this war will both sides darker and more noble sides. Right now though? This will do, with the previous caveat of her not becoming yet another Garrosh.
Those tear streaks burnt into her cheeks, were the last tears she would ever shed, once she was reborn as the banshee queen, she was cold and calculated but I still admired her for her loyalty to the forsaken, but since she became warchief, she has allowed her hatred to totally corrupt her and forcing that poor dying elf to watch the tree burn, that was the ultimate cruelty.
Im not Laughing at you.....I freaking called it. Sylvanas Has Been a Baddie since after the death of the Lich king. Seriously... She Attacked Gilneas unprovoked. Simply because she needed more undead... She literally turned into the Lich Queen... I had hoped that she was turning a new Leaf after saving the Horde on the Broken shore....But alas...Good things always die hard.
She attacked Gilneas under orders from Garrosh, because he wanted their port.
Also, can we stop with the "Lich Queen" shit? Her title is already "Banshee Queen," it's an inherent juxtaposition of the Lich King title.
True, she is becoming the very thing she hated, a Lich King Arthas.
Red Sparrow nope. When you become that which you hate... its better to call someone something that is reminiscent of it. So I’ll continue to call her the lich queen.
Hauke Holst If that’s true I get it... but at the same time she still turned many gilneans into forsaken... even garrosh called her out on it...
The Lich King did nothing wrong!
For the Alliance! For the hope and honor!
We are ready for the siege of Orgrimmar 2. So ready to behead the Lich Queen.
FOR THE HORDE!
Long live the King! (& Jaina was right!)
For the side that everyone serves humans and never questions it
#ForTheAlliance
I honestly love Sylvanas, from trying to protect her people when she was still alive as a high elf as Ranger General of Silvermoon. Arthas LITERALLY ripped her soul out. After his “death” she threw herself from the top of Icecrown, she died and was resurrected. Yes she’s made out to be the bad guy especially in the burning of Teldrassil, but you have to remember. She’s failed 3 times now to save her people, well her undead people but still, from Garrosh to Genn. I think she truly feels she’s failed her people in life and in death, and I think in someway as warchief she’s trying to save not only her people, but also the entirety of the horde. For the Horde!💕
When we are young and full of optimism, we hope for a world that is better. We judge those who have come before us for having made mistakes and difficult choices. But once it is us in that position, we realize why they made those choices. We see how the path we've walked has led us down the same road. We see how history repeats itself in a circle endlessly. And rather than fight it, we simply accept our place in it and revel in it. Sylvanas had a choice from the very beginning of which road to walk and she chose hatred, rage, and sorrow to be her companions, she chose to embrace her undead nature. The person she once was, the noble person who stood up to Arthas, that person is literally dead. The same goes for Jaina. They are both inexorably repeating the mistakes of the past, chained to the fate they have forged for themselves. Don't mourn for the loss of who they once were. That is something that was gone a long time ago.
“A very Horde leaning human being.”
After this cinematic I hope that Jaina will kill that fukin Banshee without mercy
n n lul and next Queen Azshara shows up and rip off Jaina's head 😂
Eiji Shinjo what I have to say ? Just woman in lead
They would probably just bitch fight and pull each others hair.
FOR SYLVANNIS!!!!!! DEATH TO THE NIGHT ELFS!!!!!!!!
One can only hope.
Sylvanas sees herself as the savior of her people, a great unifier, and a bringer of peace by:
1. Expanding the Forsaken.
2. Unifying families broken by the Scourge and separated by life via undeath.
3. Through undeath there will be equalization and peace under her absolute rule.
Yeah, was also really surprised that Sylvanas ended up burning the tree. It seemed too obvious. Then that whole "well I didn't expect that outcome" threw me off.
It was weak. She burns down the tree because some night elf provoked her? Bad, bad writing.
She surely was gonna do it anyway
Really boring, especially compared to the Jaina video.
Mate, Malfurion has "turn people into Tree" powers lol. The writing was flawed the moment she didn't instantly get crushed by him.
Nah she was gonna just kill everyone in it.
Honestly, It fits the character. She is easily triggered, she is a hypocrite and she views her self as the true Ruler of the Death...
My heart broke for you the moment you realized it was her. As much as I like it as Alliance, that still really sucked to see your disappointment omg
Right!? I felt so bad for her
It was deserved. Why would Jaina have burnt the world tree 😂 silly expectations lead to disappointment.
Why? I don't. Check her reaction video for BfA opening cinematic and see her gloat aboutAnduin got hit and words she said. Payback time. Not sorry for her
Well, yeah. No one will mock our precious Anduin like that!
Dejan Petranović Dejan Petranović Looks like a triggered Alliance fanboy.
You one siders are shitty.
Not feeling bad for a person because she gloated about Anduin? Grow up.
Basically she orders the burning because it occurs to her that killing Malfurion would not be enough to demoralize the Alliance, So she amps it up.
I like what Whitemane tells Sylvanas in Heroes of the Storm ' You and the lichking are one in the same"
Varimathras say the same in warcraft 3
Whitemane is a batshit crazy religious zealot who thinks the Forsaken are still the Scourge.
"So, story team: we need a really great storyline for this expansion! Something really original!"
"I know! How about this: the Horde Warchief responds to the threat of an Alliance city on Kalimdor by utterly annihilating it in a cataclysmic attack, thereby firmly establishing that the Horde are the badguys!"
"Uhm...didn't we do that storyline already?"
"Yeah, but that was three expansions ago! Nobody will remember!"
again: There is no good&evil side in a war. You can't just call one side the bad guys, so you can feel justified slaughtering them!
...and yet, Blizzard seems to be dead set on doing just that.
Never forget that Garrosh executed his own General for destroying a tree full of innocents and children.
#garroshdidnothingwrong #theramorewasaninsidejob
Mr. Boling _ Garrosh fit the spirit of the Horde far more than Sylvanas. She's just pure evil at this point. She's like an evil dictator that rules with fear like Kim Jong. At least Garrosh had a sense of warriors honor. But all those who follow Sylvanas completely understand are just as evil as her.
I hope there is a civil war among the Horde. Maybe Sylvanas will become a third more evil faction and disband from the Horde.
Wasn't surprised, always knew it would be Sylvanus to burn it down... "Ours is a cycle of hatred"... "And we have forgotten what makes us strong" i stand by my Warchief! Sylvanus to the end, burn it all!
In what world.... of warcraft, is it surprising that Sylvanas is the arsonist?
Just look at her character arc since Arthas's fall.
Gilneas and South Shore, destroyed by slyv's plague.
Stepped up to proto-LK status murdering her way to increasing the forsaken population.
Planned the murder of her own sister, planned the murder of her sister again and the murder of her recently returned long lost sister.
Attempted to enslave Eyre and in doing so more val'kir.
Killing her own loyal subjects who returned from the reunion as ordered.
As much as you may love Sylvanas, she is no longer the sympathetic yet tragic figure holding her new people together to avenge what the Lich King had done.
She crossed the point of no return and is slowly becoming the very thing she hated... Arthas.
Sylvanas is dead and gone, only the banshee queen remains.
Where is Thrall?
Congrats sylvanas you're the new garrosh
After taking a day to think about it, Sylvanas basically wanted to destroy the night elves hope. The captain knew that Salvanas was hunting Malphrion. After all he left the captain to go challenge her head on. So to her seeing Salvanas before her means that the horde won. Malphrion and the wisp failed and Malphrion's fate to her is unknown with him either living or dying. But yet she clung on to hope. So Salvanas needed to make a big statement and crush that completely. However, I believe this will be the Ally's version of Pearl Harbor and they will rally around the night elves that suffered.
Faction realignment! Light! Void! Death! You get a Windrunner! You get a Windrunner! You get a Windrunner! Everyone gets a Windrunner!